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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about the policy prescriptions of the Biden administration.

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Speaker 1: right now about jockeying amongst Republicans. Bloomberg Sound on, the insiders,

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Speaker 1: the influencers, the insiders. Biden has promised again and again

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Speaker 1: to heaven unite the country. Who do you think Biden

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Speaker 1: has to watch in terms of moderate defectors? Infrastructure has

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Speaker 1: always been by polographist Schoomberg Sound On with Kevin Shirley

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Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Radio. We're talking infrastructure. Plus we've got an

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Speaker 1: exclusive interview with the former head of the International Space Station.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about the space race and how does it

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Speaker 1: impact countries here on Earth. We've got a lot to

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Speaker 1: get through at an All Star policy panel. Plus the

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Speaker 1: latest on infrastructure, as well as what's been going on

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Speaker 1: with McConnell now decrying corporate politick ng that he once championed.

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Speaker 1: First though, let's get a market check from Charlie Peller.

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Speaker 1: I thank you very much, Happy Tuesday, great show, ahead.

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Speaker 1: Do want to begin with the headline from the Bloomberg

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Speaker 1: Professional Service, Brazil surpassing four thousand daily COVID nineteen deaths

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Speaker 1: I'm Charlie Pellett. Back Kevin was a Bloomberg Business flash.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Charlie Pellett. My name is Kevin

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Speaker 1: CEREALI I'm the chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and

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Speaker 1: for Bloomberg Radio. Were accompanied by the all star Bloomberg

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Speaker 1: Politics policy team. Rick Davis is with us, a Bloomberg

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Speaker 1: Politics contributor, and Roger Fisk, democratic strategist. Longtime President Obama

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Speaker 1: aid on a principle of New Day strategy, we begin

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Speaker 1: tonight with the big story, and that is President Biden

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Speaker 1: talking about vaccines. He visited a vaccine clinic and Alexandria,

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Speaker 1: He greeted healthcare workers and those waiting in line for shots,

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Speaker 1: and the President urged vack scene recipients to spread the

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Speaker 1: word to family and friends. Here's the sound on the

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Speaker 1: shots from President Biden. You're doing the right thing and

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Speaker 1: really important. And when you go back, when you go home,

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Speaker 1: get all your friends, tell them get a shot when

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Speaker 1: they can. We're gonna be able to do this. Everyone's

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Speaker 1: Every age. It comes as a resurgent job market is

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Speaker 1: creating more opportunities at a faster clip than many economists

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Speaker 1: and employers had expected. What's more, according to my colleagues

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Speaker 1: Michael Sasso and Leslie Patton on the Bloomberg Terminal, too

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Speaker 1: few people are applying for positions that are reopening, and

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Speaker 1: that's setting up a battle for talent. Restaurants and hotels

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Speaker 1: are raging wages, offering bonuses for workers, referrals, or luring

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Speaker 1: people from other states to cope with the shortage. Now,

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Speaker 1: many data watchers have been caught off guard as improving weather,

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Speaker 1: It all comes as President Biden's administration is pushing for

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Speaker 1: a two and a quarter trillion dollar infrastructure package, which

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Speaker 1: let's take a listen to what White House Press Secretary

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Speaker 1: Jen Saki had to say about what she told reporters

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Speaker 1: the dialogue, How the dialogue's going with lawmakers on Capitol Hill.

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Speaker 1: Our focus is on engaging with Democrats and Republicans with staff,

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Speaker 1: The White House has said that they're going to try

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Speaker 1: and so are they willing to pay that cost Roger. Yeah, Well,

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Speaker 1: first off, Kevin, it's wonderful to be here, and um,

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Speaker 1: Biden proposed to pay for increased infrastructure and social welfare spending. Roger,

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Speaker 1: whose laws are we going to be subject to. And

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Speaker 1: we have the Outer Space Treaty that was signed in

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Speaker 1: the late sixties UM and by you know, all of

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Speaker 1: the major space for nations of the world, Soviet Union

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Speaker 1: in the United States and everybody at the time. UM.

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Speaker 1: But we it's not very specific and it's a little

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Speaker 1: bit vague and its wording, and we need we need

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Speaker 1: to develop all that. It's not like we can't. You know,

435
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Speaker 1: we've done it for the law of the Sea, we've

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Speaker 1: done it for Antarctica. But we need to think our

437
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Speaker 1: way through that. But I think we also need to

438
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Speaker 1: be deliberate into what we want our end game to be.

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00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 1: Everyone needs to protect their valuables. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: we don't necessarily just have to repeat what we've done

441
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Speaker 1: in the past and you know, plant it somewhere else

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Speaker 1: as if that's the only solution we could come up with.

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Speaker 1: Colonel Hatfield, UH, it's good to talk to you and

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Speaker 1: UH and thanks for all your service to UH to

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Speaker 1: the world. It's really quite an amazing feat you've done

446
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Speaker 1: to have the service in space that you've had. And

447
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Speaker 1: and I wanted to follow up with you because UH,

448
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: this notion of the International Space Station in my mind,

449
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Speaker 1: was always one of the very few places on Earth

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Speaker 1: that are on Earth anywhere that the US and the Russians.

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Speaker 1: And I mean there are many others obviously involved, but

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Speaker 1: the US and the Russians were cooperating, and and obviously

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Speaker 1: there's not a lot of cooperation on planet Earth with

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Speaker 1: the US and the Russians. And and how does that

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Speaker 1: play out in space? I mean, if you've been on

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Speaker 1: the station with Russian astronauts, cosmonauts and and and is

457
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Speaker 1: it really we don't care what happens down below us.

458
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Speaker 1: It's what's the mission up here that we care about.

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Speaker 1: Rick I was NASA's director of Operations in Russia for

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Speaker 1: a few years. I lived in Russia for about five years.

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Speaker 1: And and people forget, but in the eighties I was

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Speaker 1: a fighter pilot in the Cold War, intercepting Soviet bombers

463
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Speaker 1: that we're practicing cruise missile launches on North America, And

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Speaker 1: that's what my job was. I'd launched in an armed

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Speaker 1: F eighteen and blast off in the middle of the

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Speaker 1: night to go just to the air identification zone and

467
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Speaker 1: make sure that they weren't hostile today and yet I

468
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Speaker 1: flew on Space Shuttle Atlantis to go help build the

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Speaker 1: Russian space station, and and and so we have been

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Speaker 1: cooperating four seven with the Russians, were since the early nineties.

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Speaker 1: You know when I guess when I showed up with

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Speaker 1: the National asplet and Office, I had to learn to

473
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Speaker 1: speak Russian. You know, let's pick it up right there

474
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,479
Speaker 1: after the jump, because I don't want to cut you off.

475
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: And we're up against a heartbreak, but uh much more

476
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 1: coming up, So sticking right here because we've got a

477
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Speaker 1: lot to catch up on. I'm Kevin Surley. This is Bloomberg.

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Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. Sound On with Kevin Surrel on Bloomberg Radio.

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00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Sireli. I'm accompanied by Bloomberg Politics contributor Rick Davis.

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Speaker 1: You've got an awesome guest, Chris Hadfield. Colonel Chris Hadfield,

481
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: who is the former commander of the International Space Station.

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Speaker 1: He's a retired astronaut. He's flown uh, not one, but

483
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Speaker 1: two Space Shuttle missions. He's the author of this awesome

484
00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: new book called The Apollo Myrtle The Apollo Murders Cover

485
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: not final. It is a novel by uh Colonel Chris Hadfield.

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Speaker 1: Uh and again it's called The Apollo Murders. He has

487
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Speaker 1: also written other best selling books, including the New York

488
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Speaker 1: Times Bestseller and Astronauts Guide to Life on Earth, and

489
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Speaker 1: a children's book which I highly recommends, if I do

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00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: say so myself, called The Darkest Dark and it talks

491
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Speaker 1: about Uh it's for children, beautifully illustrated, mind you, Uh,

492
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Speaker 1: and it talks about facing one's fears and finding strength

493
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Speaker 1: in one's dreams. It's an awesome book. But his new book,

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Speaker 1: The Apollo Murders, Uh, it's rooted just if you know

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Speaker 1: a little bit about the story. It's rooted in his

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Speaker 1: own experiences, having gone from working for uh the United

497
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Speaker 1: States and Canada and traveling to Russia and and really

498
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Speaker 1: making sure that uh foreign adversaries and maligne actors weren't

499
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Speaker 1: wouldn't be negatively impact acting the West, UH, and then

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Speaker 1: going to work on the International Space Station, which Rick

501
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: just told us has always been the beacon the best

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Speaker 1: representation of humanity working together. Tell us a little bit

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Speaker 1: about your new book, uh, Chris, Yeah, And in addition

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Speaker 1: to that list you just did there, Kevin, I piloted

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Speaker 1: a Russian spaceship on my third space flight. I launched

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Speaker 1: same launch bed as Euriga Garren and flew a Russian

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Speaker 1: capsule up to the International Space Station and back. So

508
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Speaker 1: so it was really interesting to write the Apollo murders

509
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Speaker 1: UH set in nineteen seventy three, and you know, there

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Speaker 1: in Washington, all this stuff that was going on in

511
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Speaker 1: the spring of seventy three, with with the Watergate bringing

512
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Speaker 1: Nixon down and at the end of the Vietnam War

513
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: and the rise of women's rights, all of that was

514
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: inter playing right at the end of the race to

515
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Speaker 1: the Moon, but still the height of the Cold War,

516
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: and so it was a really ripe moment to build

517
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Speaker 1: a story using all of those real characters, and using

518
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Speaker 1: this real Russian space station that was up at the

519
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: time that was a military space station that that hardly

520
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: anybody knows about what that that was armed. It had

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Speaker 1: a huge machine gun on the outside and um. And

522
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: then building a story, you know, including that and cosmonauts

523
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Speaker 1: and astronauts and to the moon and and some of

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Speaker 1: the things of value on the Moon and then coming

525
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Speaker 1: back home again. It was a delight to be able

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Speaker 1: to write a story based in reality. But we have

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Speaker 1: a really interesting thriller of a of a fiction book.

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Speaker 1: I think I think people are kind of are gonna

529
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Speaker 1: like the book. A lot of the early readers are

530
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Speaker 1: are just love of the book, which really makes me happen.

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Speaker 1: It comes out in October, and and it's it's it's

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Speaker 1: part of the theme I think of what we're seeing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we had Admiral Travitis on the other week

534
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Speaker 1: and he's got his new China book out four about

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Speaker 1: fictionalized but rooted in the sense of reality. Rick, It's

536
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Speaker 1: really it's fascinating and and it's a book that I

537
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: can't wait to read, but I also can't wait to watch.

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Speaker 1: I hope someone turns it into a movie or a

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Speaker 1: mini series. Go ahead, Rick, Yeah, no, Kevin, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, we've spent so much time fictionalizing space. It's

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Speaker 1: nice to have someone who's actually been there. And uh

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00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: and and and yet I think so many of our

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Speaker 1: memories are fictionalized, right, I mean, like you were just

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Speaker 1: talking about having a machine gun in space, and I

545
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: remember the scene in Armageddon where there is a gun

546
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:18,959
Speaker 1: out and he goes, you have a gun in space,

547
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,719
Speaker 1: as if that was something that was so unusual. Literally

548
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: one of my all time favorite movies. Sorry, this is

549
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: me dorking out. On National Global Radio. How can we

550
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: not dork out when we've got true to life astronaut,

551
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: you know, Okay, he's okay. This is a fun fact

552
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: about our guest that he is the first person to

553
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Speaker 1: ever film a space video, a music video, David Bowie's

554
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Speaker 1: Space Odyssey. That must have been kind of fun. It was. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm a musician as well, and actually I've been touring

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Speaker 1: some with David Bowie's band since that, which has been

557
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: a real light. Uh. Yeah, it's been getting to know

558
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: Mike Carson and Earl Slick and the guys. So that's

559
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Speaker 1: just been because they were like David Bowie's family. I

560
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: only got to know. I never met him face to face, David,

561
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: and he was in the last couple of years of

562
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: his life then, unfortunately. But but he loved that version

563
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: of the song that I did, and and so it

564
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: was a real treat for me to be able to

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Speaker 1: record it in weightlessness with his permission, and then and

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Speaker 1: then have gosh, hundreds of millions of people see that

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Speaker 1: video all around the world, maybe see space flight a

568
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: little differently. As a result, I watched this great documentary

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Speaker 1: over quarantine, uh called the The Earth Effects. I want

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Speaker 1: to say. It's called and it's about what astronauts when

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Speaker 1: they come back to Earth, how they when you when

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00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: you see Earth from outer space, your entire perspective changes

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Speaker 1: just because the overview the overview effect. That's an even

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Speaker 1: and I'm thank you for correcting me because it it

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00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,959
Speaker 1: is such a great documentary. It's available online. Um, but

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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about that. Every time I

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Speaker 1: get the privilege to interview an astronaut, I always asked

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Speaker 1: him about the overview effects and what what can you

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Speaker 1: describe for us about what it was like to see

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Speaker 1: Earth from outer space. Yeah, I've been around the world

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Speaker 1: two thousand, six hundred and fifty times, and that's that's

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00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: the big thing. I think. If you and I were

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Speaker 1: floating by the window and we went around once, you know,

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Speaker 1: it takes about ninety minutes, about an hour and a half.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's probably you know, a commute home listening

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Speaker 1: to it with the traffic lights like there. Then you

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Speaker 1: go around the world in that time and the first

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00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: time it's just overwhelming, But you know, the tenth time

589
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: you really start to see the world, and then a

590
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Speaker 1: hundredth time you really know where to look and the

591
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: world starts revealing its secrets to you, just how beautiful

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Speaker 1: and ancient and tough it is, and and and thousands

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Speaker 1: of times around the world, you really get a sense

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Speaker 1: for how small it is, how common the human experience is,

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Speaker 1: how ancient this planet is. You know, what's four and

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Speaker 1: a half billion even me, and and how we fit

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Speaker 1: into that and and so I think you come back

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Speaker 1: both much better informed as to the rareness and the

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Speaker 1: beauty of our planet. But also I think most astronauts

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Speaker 1: would agree you come back very optimistic. This is one

601
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Speaker 1: tough planet we live on, and life is tough, but

602
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: also resolved that you know, we need to do a

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Speaker 1: better job of being the current caretakers of it. We

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Speaker 1: can't just be willy nilly burn and everything up. You know,

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Speaker 1: we need to think about it and and try and

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Speaker 1: be responsible decision making. Do you think, Colonel, that I

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Speaker 1: will have the opportunity that other people will have the

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Speaker 1: opportunity to go into space to get to to to

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Speaker 1: see maybe not maybe they can't go around the Earth

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Speaker 1: and ninety minutes, but will will we get to just

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Speaker 1: have recreational space travel relatively soon? Yeah. I'm on the

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Speaker 1: advisory board to Virgin galactic and they're getting really close.

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Speaker 1: Sign me up, just sign the U. It's still expensive

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Speaker 1: that you know, like like air travel was in the

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Speaker 1: nine twenties, it's expensive now, but but you know it's

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Speaker 1: it's the technology is new, and and Blue Origin, which

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Speaker 1: a basis and space company, they're trying to bring the

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Speaker 1: price down if you can just go for a suborbital ride.

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Speaker 1: But remember later this year, there's a team of four

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Speaker 1: people that are going to go go around the world

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Speaker 1: for four days, um and none of them are NASA

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Speaker 1: or Space Agency people. One of them is a pilot,

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00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: but but he's he's wealthy. But the four of them

624
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: are going to go up as non NASA, non professional

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00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: astronauts and orbit the world for four days. And that's

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00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: that's a pretty cool new development and that's happening this year.

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00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: So so yeah, the opportunity is definitely coming, and we

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Speaker 1: just need the technology to get better so that the

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Speaker 1: price can come down. Vick, what do you say if

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Speaker 1: we take the show on the road and go Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think the first broadcast of the sound on from

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Speaker 1: outer space, I would love it. I would live for that.

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Speaker 1: Rick Davis, go ahead, I know you got question that

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Speaker 1: was awesome. By the way, here the colonel talk about

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Speaker 1: the overview effect, I had goose bumps. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 1: wanted to follow up on that a little bit because, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's something to say that you've

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Speaker 1: been around the world, you know, and fifty times. Uh

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Speaker 1: but you you circle it, what fifteen sixteen times a day,

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Speaker 1: twenty four hour cycle, and I'm kind of curious how

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, wow, I was gonna screw me up

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Speaker 1: for a couple of days. I mean, you're doing that

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Speaker 1: I mean, if if folks are planning on going into space,

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Speaker 1: what kind of effect does that have on your ability

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Speaker 1: to sleep and and function? Yeah, well that means if

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Speaker 1: you if you think about it, because you're going around

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Speaker 1: the world, um, that you get a sunrise or a

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Speaker 1: sunset every forty six minutes. So you know, so that's

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Speaker 1: kind of like a gift, right because imagine if you've

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Speaker 1: got sixteen sunrises a day and and they happen fast

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Speaker 1: it's like you're looking at this dark horizon and because

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Speaker 1: you go from complete darkness to a full sunrise in

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Speaker 1: about fifteen seconds. And it's like someone just poured a

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Speaker 1: rainbow on the edge of the world, just like it

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Speaker 1: just spreads and then bam, up comes the sun. You

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Speaker 1: get sixteen of those a day. And so what I

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Speaker 1: would do is set my watch for you know, ninety minutes,

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Speaker 1: and I'd make a mark on the on the on

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Speaker 1: the glass there with a little grease pencil or something,

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Speaker 1: and then I'd come floating in and get ready and

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Speaker 1: get the camera ready and take a picture of the

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Speaker 1: moon rise or picture of the sunrise, and then get

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Speaker 1: back to work for an hour and a half and

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Speaker 1: then go and try not to miss those. And you

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Speaker 1: have to live not on a day night dark lights cycle.

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Speaker 1: You just have to choose sometimes zone. And we sort

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Speaker 1: of split the difference between mission control at Houston MR

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Speaker 1: Control of Moscow, so we just chose London, England. So

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Speaker 1: we go on Greenwich time, same you know, same time

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Speaker 1: as the Queen, but uh, you just at nighttime on

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Speaker 1: the station. I would just you know, pull all the shades,

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Speaker 1: clothes and turn down the lights and you just sort

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Speaker 1: of pretend it's you know, night in the morning. Turn

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Speaker 1: all the lights on again. I got one more question

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Speaker 1: for you, and try to keep the tight because we're

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Speaker 1: pressed for time. What advice would you give to a

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Speaker 1: younger version of yourself right before you blasted off into

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Speaker 1: space for the first time in your life? Uh my

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Speaker 1: third flight. My dad couldn't come because he was in

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Speaker 1: his eighties. And the advice he gave me is what

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Speaker 1: I give myself, and that is, you've earned your right

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Speaker 1: to be there. You've done all the work, You've got

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Speaker 1: the skills. Now is the time to trust yourself. This

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Speaker 1: is a fun interview, all right. I want to be

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Speaker 1: the first journalist in space reckon. Our producers always joke

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Speaker 1: and I went home the other week and I said,

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Speaker 1: what did I say? My mom? Just don't tell me

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Speaker 1: you're going to space. Bye. Thanks to our teeth. Thank

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Speaker 1: you to our producer Matt Charley for booking this, and

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Speaker 1: thank you Colonel U for for for taking the time

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Speaker 1: to to speak with us. Colonel Chris Hatfield, Canadian retired

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Speaker 1: astronaut engineer, former commander of the International Space Station, former

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Speaker 1: Royal Canadian Air Force fighter pilot, the first Canadian to

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Speaker 1: walk in space. He flew to Space Shuttle missions. I'm

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Speaker 1: Kevin CURRELLI with Rick Davis. Thanks to our EP Christie

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Speaker 1: Mourrada as well. This is Bloomberg