Speaker 1: Hello everyone.
Speaker 2: I'm Anissa Ferrara and I'm Devin Simone and this is
Speaker 2: MTV's official Challenge podcast.
Speaker 1: I love this episode, Nini, Devin. We're getting to the end.
Speaker 1: We're getting to the end of a pretty good season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's good, Like it's it.
Speaker 2: In today's episode, like same, I had moments where I
Speaker 2: was literally like shouting advice and the elimination, you know,
Speaker 2: like get low was I just.
Speaker 1: I'm glad that they showed it. I'm like, if they
Speaker 1: give us another clears, I'm closing my life. I'm leaving. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm firing myself. Yeah yeah, because I can't.
Speaker 1: That's watch this any longer. They gave us a lot
Speaker 1: of goodness in this episode. They did they really did,
Speaker 1: which I feel like TJ's going to punish the next episode.
Speaker 1: Oh I do. I couldnot wait to see this final
Speaker 1: because it looks like everybody's getting hooked up to so.
Speaker 2: Which is wild, Like it looks really goodl I think
Speaker 2: he's still holding the grudge because they kept stale mating
Speaker 2: and they kept ignoring him, and TJ said don't stalemate
Speaker 2: and they kept I mean, they're bold to be testing TJ,
Speaker 2: like that I personally wouldn't but right.
Speaker 1: But sometimes he doesn't do that. He just like does
Speaker 1: it in another way. But he wasn't playing this time.
Speaker 1: He was not playing. Speaking of playing of the players
Speaker 1: this week, Nini, who was your king or queen? Your
Speaker 1: ruler of the world? And who do you think was
Speaker 1: on another planet? Who is my king or queen? You know,
Speaker 1: I might have to give the king to Troy, Okay,
Speaker 1: the king of Troy. I feel like as a tinier player,
Speaker 1: and I'm not speaking about myself, but as a woman
Speaker 1: that's like five seven and looking at guys that have been,
Speaker 1: you know, of smaller heights on this show, how they
Speaker 1: get kind of treated as disposable or easy to beat
Speaker 1: or whatever. He really did his thing, Yes, he did
Speaker 1: it as much as he could, considering that. I feel like,
Speaker 1: when I look at Troy and I look at Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, these aren't like head to head like physical
Speaker 1: these are like thinkers, agile, like they're good at those
Speaker 1: those kinds of things. Climbing, hiking, like they're good at
Speaker 1: those things. So it was interesting to see it. I
Speaker 1: love the heart that both of them show. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: it was really it was really nice to watch that yeah, Troy.
Speaker 1: I also give it to the queens all the time,
Speaker 1: and I figured, you know, it's nice to share the crowd.
Speaker 1: Who was on another planet for you this episode. Listen,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need THEO and his dolphin bad to get
Speaker 1: to go get his math back maths, some of the
Speaker 1: mas get his math spotch and No. I mean there
Speaker 1: were a lot of things in this. I feel like
Speaker 1: a group of people were on another planet, like let's
Speaker 1: make this deal and then like not stick to it.
Speaker 1: Like it almost looked like Casle on another planet. She
Speaker 1: was in the in the water, George's just hanging out
Speaker 1: like you would have thought everybody else was on on Saturday.
Speaker 1: Was chilling. Yeah, because if I mean, that's what the
Speaker 1: people on the on the shore felt like. They didn't
Speaker 1: even know what was I wonder what TJ was thinking
Speaker 1: watching that, like I really yeah, he was like are
Speaker 1: they throwing it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And you know he hates that shit to day. I
Speaker 1: hate it. I think Teacher is trying to punish everybody
Speaker 1: and he's going to in the final.
Speaker 2: So I think so too. For me on another plane,
Speaker 2: it would have to be Yes the Mess. And we
Speaker 2: talked about him last week and this is the reason why,
Speaker 2: because no, he didn't immediately sabotage Troy and Casey only
Speaker 2: to then go prepare himself a snack and sit right
Speaker 2: next to Troy immediately after and be like, hey man,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but we cool, you know, like I hope,
Speaker 2: I hope you and Troy was like, no, man, we're
Speaker 2: not cool, but this is not I feel like.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, is it great at like being a dick
Speaker 1: or playing a messy game. And I think that this
Speaker 1: was his you know, this was like his first time
Speaker 1: and like trying to be political and do all these
Speaker 1: other things and it worked until it didn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good way. That's actually a good way
Speaker 1: to think that he just felt a little silly and
Speaker 1: knew that he was probably going to go in and
Speaker 1: was like, hey man, like no hard feelings. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I don't sorry, I voted doing a bunch.
Speaker 2: Or it seemed almost even like they were delusional for
Speaker 2: a moment of really thinking. Or maybe they just felt
Speaker 2: doubly safe because Sarah won, right, and we know Sarah
Speaker 2: and Emily's relationships, so maybe they felt super super super safe.
Speaker 2: I'd say that my ruler of the world, well, an
Speaker 2: Honorable mention goes to Tory's hair. I know I've talked
Speaker 2: about it before, but the way it has just evolved,
Speaker 2: I don't. As someone who has lived in the Challenge
Speaker 2: House a couple of times and knowing the lack of resources,
Speaker 2: Okay that are there, don't go googling old pictures, please,
Speaker 2: the way her hair just glistens and seems to thrive
Speaker 2: in a Challenge House is still baffling to me. I'd
Speaker 2: pay good money for it.
Speaker 1: I want to pay for these damn clippers, and she
Speaker 1: has this bea and I would have to want to relax.
Speaker 1: It's a lot, and I'm not doing it.
Speaker 2: She does like this time. It's like ombre and I've
Speaker 2: just been watching it all season. It gets progressively better.
Speaker 2: I don't understand how she does it. I do know
Speaker 2: if she comes out with them up a little bit.
Speaker 1: And she made her waves big, so it looks a
Speaker 1: little straighter at the bottom. Yeah, and it hasn't been
Speaker 1: up as much. Yeah, and it's good, but it's good
Speaker 1: good stuff.
Speaker 2: It does look. Yeah, she looks beautiful. Yeah, she looks gorgeous.
Speaker 2: She's the honorable mention, but the real winners are Casey
Speaker 2: and Troy. Those are my rulers because ever since they
Speaker 2: got paired up, I mean, think about it, both of
Speaker 2: them lost their partners, so they really had to literally
Speaker 2: we're gonna go Yeah, they both are gonna go home.
Speaker 2: Had to form a very quick bond quite quickly, and
Speaker 2: they did. So they've been in elimination multiple times and
Speaker 2: then they get to go against they instead of being
Speaker 2: afraid of the people who kept sending them in, they
Speaker 2: said we're gonna take you on. And then on top
Speaker 2: of that, after they won, we saw them give congratulates,
Speaker 2: give consolation hugs and just say hey, I saw Casey
Speaker 2: sat Emily, hey, you are a beast out there like,
Speaker 2: which is just excellent gameplay.
Speaker 1: That's just how it is. Though once you're done too
Speaker 1: well it is.
Speaker 2: But we saw a little smack talking though, but we
Speaker 2: know that, you know, train Casey at least one with
Speaker 2: a certain level of like decorum and respect, and that
Speaker 2: was just that was great to see. And so they
Speaker 2: get my ruler of the world this week. I'm guessing
Speaker 2: TJ and his train conductor outfit is gonna get it
Speaker 2: next week. But to TVD, TVD, I haven't seen it,
Speaker 2: but we have a great episode for you today. We
Speaker 2: have for those of you who've been Challenged podcast fan
Speaker 2: members for quite some time and to listen to us
Speaker 2: to Challenge USA that I think you'll really appreciate this
Speaker 2: episode because we have Sarah Lasina on And if you
Speaker 2: watch Challenge USA, you know we gave her hell last
Speaker 2: season and then she turned it around.
Speaker 1: Devin's about to give her hell this time. I'm not
Speaker 1: maybe I don't mean hell. She's gonna give everyone.
Speaker 2: I don't give anyone hell, but I don't know. You're
Speaker 2: gonna have to stay tuned and find out. So grab
Speaker 2: a snack, buckle up and get ready for one fun
Speaker 2: interview with the fabulous Sarah Licina coming up right after this.
Speaker 1: All right, you guys, she is back. She is many things.
Speaker 2: Uh, not only a survivor VET, not only a champion
Speaker 2: of the Challenge USA, but also I'd say she holds
Speaker 2: the title of biggest comeback on her USA season. What
Speaker 2: I meant by that is in watching her gameplay, we
Speaker 2: she and I had it out. I was not a fan,
Speaker 2: but when she came on the podcast, I am such
Speaker 2: a Sarah fan. So I'm so glad to have her
Speaker 2: here today. We have Sarah Lacina from the Challenge World Championship.
Speaker 1: Hello, Sarah, Hey Davon, how's it? And that's why I
Speaker 1: wasn't a fan of her. Don't worry, I did it
Speaker 1: a lot of time when I started podcasting. No, I am, hey, Sarah,
Speaker 1: how are you?
Speaker 3: I'm awesome? How are you good?
Speaker 1: So glad to have you back. Now, the last time
Speaker 1: we talked to you, you were about to go or no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you were on bak. Are you at the Lake of
Speaker 1: the Ozarks? Do you remember you were?
Speaker 3: Yep? I think it was like Labor day or Labor
Speaker 3: Day weekend, maybe down at the Ozarks?
Speaker 1: So absolutely.
Speaker 3: Now I'm sitting in Iowa.
Speaker 1: So who good old Iowa? In Iowa? One other person?
Speaker 1: Who's who's there too? No? One other person? You know?
Speaker 1: They have a cousin that listens to an so it's too.
Speaker 1: I don't make those types of assumptions, but I guess
Speaker 1: that they are there. I want to get into this
Speaker 1: because I want to go all the way back, Sarah.
Speaker 1: I will say this. I was unsure watching Challenge USA.
Speaker 1: I didn't know about you. I didn't watch Survivor, but
Speaker 1: then I watched this season and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's really trying to start some shit, like she's really
Speaker 1: trying to get to this final. She does not give
Speaker 1: a shit what anyone thinks, and she's going to do
Speaker 1: whatever it takes to get there. And I liked even
Speaker 1: though I am a vet and I've been playing this
Speaker 1: a long time, I liked the change up of the
Speaker 1: dynamic even though Tory is my best friend and she
Speaker 1: was trying to protect my other friend, Casey, and but
Speaker 1: also yes, it's my friend and all of these people
Speaker 1: I have these relationships with. So watching everybody kind of
Speaker 1: have to play a different game because there were different variables,
Speaker 1: I EU was exciting for me.
Speaker 2: And I coming in this this being your second season
Speaker 2: of the Challenge. What were the differences for you in
Speaker 2: how you played the game the first time, sort of
Speaker 2: your your official rookie season to playing it this time.
Speaker 1: Was there a switch up for you? Did it feel different?
Speaker 1: What was that like?
Speaker 3: Now? I think it was, you know, similar, but just
Speaker 3: on a bigger stage, a bigger We have all these
Speaker 3: legends come in, right, and so we've gotten to see
Speaker 3: how they have played the game and kind of what
Speaker 3: reputations they have. Whereas you know, I had never watched
Speaker 3: Love Island, So the people that were on Love Island
Speaker 3: that were on Challenge Usay, I don't. I don't really
Speaker 3: watch the Amazing Race. You know, I knew the Big
Speaker 3: Brother people, but but just from what I see on TV.
Speaker 3: So I feel like we we almost got more of
Speaker 3: a packet, you know, going into this, because a lot
Speaker 3: of these guys have been on for years. So going in,
Speaker 3: you know, I was open to working with anybody, but
Speaker 3: you know, I was also aware of kind of how
Speaker 3: they've played in the past, and.
Speaker 2: And did you research and prepping for this season, Like
Speaker 2: did you go back and rewatch certain seasons or episodes
Speaker 2: when you heard, you know, who might be on this season.
Speaker 3: So I didn't really rewatch, but I did go online
Speaker 3: and like, uh WICKI fandom or whatever does like a
Speaker 3: breakdown of the seasons, right, so like you can get
Speaker 3: all the cliff notes like who beefed with, who, who
Speaker 3: put you can see who put who into an elimination
Speaker 3: and things like that.
Speaker 1: Definitely went on the channel, right, So.
Speaker 3: I, yeah, I wanted to like who's good at this,
Speaker 3: who's good at that? Yeah, I definitely wanted to prep
Speaker 3: And that's kind of like how I attacked Survivor too is.
Speaker 3: I mean, my husband probably gets tired to be talking
Speaker 3: about the shows, but it's it's like we prep every
Speaker 3: single day, just okay, if this happens, what are we
Speaker 3: going to do? Or you know, what should I do
Speaker 3: if this happens? What you know? And and I feel
Speaker 3: like I've been pretty successful, and so that's why I
Speaker 3: just try to do as much homework as I can,
Speaker 3: you know, going into this stuff. Because again, I'm you know,
Speaker 3: everybody's leaving home, so I don't want it to sound
Speaker 3: like I'm the only one that left something back at home.
Speaker 3: But you know, I love my husband, my son, my coworkers,
Speaker 3: you know, a full time job, and it's it's I'm
Speaker 3: not just going out there to party. I'm going out
Speaker 3: there to win money, and so you better be prepared.
Speaker 2: You said that with the seriousness that's borderline scary. I mean,
Speaker 2: I respect it, but it's also your face just went
Speaker 2: very like be prepared. This episode was so good on
Speaker 2: so many I mean, there were definitely clutching moments. I
Speaker 2: don't know about you got you obviously lived at Sarah,
Speaker 2: and I don't know about you watching it a Nissa,
Speaker 2: but there were just multiple moments.
Speaker 1: That I don't know what was or I didn't know
Speaker 1: what was going to happen. I was like, who's going
Speaker 1: to lose on purpose, who's going to get up the
Speaker 1: ladder first, who's going to sabotage whom? And is Sarah
Speaker 1: going to keep her word? That was really my biggest
Speaker 1: I'm like, Sarah had a deal, but are Jordan and
Speaker 1: Kaz about to go in if they don't win? Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: That's the only thing I could think about, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's just unfold after that, Salem, I just it was
Speaker 1: a lot. This episode was. Yeah, it was a lot.
Speaker 2: It was good the elimination, like and we'll get to
Speaker 2: all of that piece, but let's start with the Daily.
Speaker 2: So it's funny because we saw theo oscillate around how
Speaker 2: he felt about the win, right because he.
Speaker 1: Was like, you know, it to win amazing.
Speaker 2: Then he's like, but it was karma because my ex
Speaker 2: like helped me win, and so we saw him go.
Speaker 1: Back and forth.
Speaker 2: How did you feel about winning this Daily, especially knowing
Speaker 2: you're as competitive as you are and you set such
Speaker 2: a high standard for you.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like it was given to you? Do
Speaker 1: you feel like it was deserved.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. It was given to us, but a
Speaker 3: win to win, so right, you know here, here's like, okay,
Speaker 3: going back a little bit our very first swim challenge
Speaker 3: that we did that Kelly, Anne and Tristan won. THEO
Speaker 3: and I are like doing our OTF and right before
Speaker 3: it and he's like, oh, He's in the frame being like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is ours to win, and I'm like, what do
Speaker 3: you mean. He's like, We're going to crush this, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, Emily has a fucking gold medal, like sixteen,
Speaker 3: she had like a world record, are you serious right now?
Speaker 3: So now I'm thinking, oh shit, THEO is a serious
Speaker 3: swimmer that couldn't be more.
Speaker 1: Flawed, not on blast like that. So imagine if he
Speaker 1: could swim right.
Speaker 3: So, like, I'm not a great swimmer, I would like
Speaker 3: on a scale one to ten, I give myself a four.
Speaker 3: And on that first swim challenge I had to swim
Speaker 3: back out and help THEO. So then then when we
Speaker 3: get to like our next swim challenge that we have
Speaker 3: where we're tied together, well, you see Emily's just pulling yes,
Speaker 3: and you you got Jordan pulling Kaz. I can't fucking
Speaker 3: pull THEO Like it's like I'm a I'm a little
Speaker 3: Toyota prius trying to pull a semi behind me and
Speaker 3: it ain't happening. We literally I remember getting up to
Speaker 3: the shore and I'm like standing up walking uh, and
Speaker 3: feels like he goes pull me and I go stand
Speaker 3: up walk in the water. And so yeah, going into
Speaker 3: this final challenge, I was like, great, another swim challenge,
Speaker 3: Like we're screwed. So quite honestly, yes, we deserved that win.
Speaker 2: It sounds like, Sarah, you deserve that win because you've
Speaker 2: been putting up with Theo's nonsense all seasons. It sounds like, really,
Speaker 2: quite honestly got to the point that you deserved that.
Speaker 3: I mean in that moment, No, no, we both did,
Speaker 3: and he's telling me how, oh, don't worry about it.
Speaker 3: I got the Dolphin badge in my swim lessons when
Speaker 3: I was a kid.
Speaker 1: No, yes, talking about nineteen ninety six, right, like relaxed,
Speaker 1: however old he is, I got the Dolphin bag.
Speaker 3: Come to find out, you just had to write your
Speaker 3: name on the top of the paper to get that.
Speaker 3: So that's how he got So yeah, that's our swimming
Speaker 3: the ability. So I would say, you know what, when
Speaker 3: all all spails, when you're when you're when you can't
Speaker 3: physically do it, if you can rely on your social
Speaker 3: politics in the game to get your win, then hell
Speaker 3: yeah you deserved it.
Speaker 1: Girl. You preaching to the choir. How do you think
Speaker 1: I made it to two finals? Right?
Speaker 2: Regarding when Kaz and Jordan started helping you, it seems
Speaker 2: kind of like watching it seem like you guys were
Speaker 2: kind of confused, like, wait a minute, hold up, what's happening?
Speaker 2: Were you really confused? Did you not trust their answers initially?
Speaker 2: Or were you like, hey, it just must be my
Speaker 2: lucky day.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna roll with this. It seems like they really
Speaker 1: want us to win.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I knew they couldn't pull anyone's flag anymore,
Speaker 3: you know, so and then they're not, like Kaz is
Speaker 3: in the water, so they are like giving it to us.
Speaker 3: But it was taking us forever because you know, like
Speaker 3: our knacks were at a weird angle and stuff, so
Speaker 3: it's hard to see. Kas could see better down on
Speaker 3: the ground.
Speaker 1: I think if you touched the water read out, so
Speaker 1: like if she was in but Jordan was still up,
Speaker 1: they were fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were fine, okay, and so yeah, then they're going,
Speaker 3: come on you guys, We're like, we're trying. And so
Speaker 3: then finally all four of us just started working together
Speaker 3: and we ended up getting it.
Speaker 1: So did did they all also have a dolphin badge
Speaker 1: for math?
Speaker 3: No? No, nope, And you didn't have.
Speaker 1: One either until later you got the Golden star. Right
Speaker 1: when you're up there, it's exhausting. So I get I
Speaker 1: get it.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and then but I think too. Then the
Speaker 3: pressure was off because we knew we were going to win,
Speaker 3: and I was almost like, TJ, can we just like
Speaker 3: act like we got it? And then because they're giving
Speaker 3: it to us, was the.
Speaker 1: Pressure off you were about to have You're going to
Speaker 1: have to make a decision?
Speaker 3: Well, the pressure was off to figure out that math problem.
Speaker 1: Well, why couldn't Jordan and Kaz just go into the
Speaker 1: water and then hand it to you?
Speaker 3: Guys?
Speaker 2: When were they saying like, we're not going to like
Speaker 2: like they weren't going to give up, they were going
Speaker 2: to hand it to you, but they weren't going to
Speaker 2: hand it to you.
Speaker 1: If that makes it right, Well, they had to help
Speaker 1: with the math angles. Clearly we'd still be waiting for
Speaker 1: the episode.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, I mean if they quit then are they
Speaker 3: the losers? Then?
Speaker 1: Oh good point, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just one of those like they weren't
Speaker 3: just gonna TJ wasn't gonna blow the horn, so it's like,
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 2: Help us and we got Had you been because you
Speaker 2: were so close with Emily who we had on last week,
Speaker 2: did she inform you about the deal that Jordan had
Speaker 2: made with them beforehand? Like was that kind of on
Speaker 2: your radar at all?
Speaker 3: Or you know, I don't I can't remember. I mean,
Speaker 3: obviously I know about it, like after the fact, right,
Speaker 3: but it's been so like, so much happens that I
Speaker 3: don't know if I knew before that, But maybe I did.
Speaker 2: At any point throughout the game, had you started as
Speaker 2: it the number starts like getting narrow, or had you
Speaker 2: been having conversations with yourself around what happens if because
Speaker 2: I find this is something that you know, people come
Speaker 2: in and give the Vets a lot of crap for understandably,
Speaker 2: so they do a lot of the same things. But
Speaker 2: obviously the longer and the more you do this game,
Speaker 2: and you're seeing that even in your second season, the
Speaker 2: trickier becomes if you're a likable person, right, because you
Speaker 2: start to make friends and you start to grow close
Speaker 2: with people and build a connection. So, had you already
Speaker 2: started having conversations in your mind around Okay, we're getting
Speaker 2: to a smaller number and I'm here with multiple teams
Speaker 2: that have my top people on them. What happens if
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, what happens if it
Speaker 2: comes down to Danny or an Emily? Had you been
Speaker 2: having those conversations with Danny or Emily beforehand?
Speaker 1: Had you been thinking about it at all?
Speaker 2: Or did you not really think about it until you
Speaker 2: won this daily and you're kind of put in that situation.
Speaker 3: I think I thought about it a little, but definitely
Speaker 3: didn't have to like put it into reality until this happened.
Speaker 3: And then I'm going this was the worst thing possible
Speaker 3: as winning this. Like at that point, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 3: this is you know, not good at all. But that's
Speaker 3: the game that we sign up to play. And you know,
Speaker 3: anytime you get down, you know, to small numbers, you're
Speaker 3: gonna have to make a decision and it sucks. And yeah,
Speaker 3: like if I could go back, would I want to
Speaker 3: have to make that decision?
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: But if I could go back, would I have like
Speaker 3: offered up first place to not have to make that decision?
Speaker 3: I think my answer is no.
Speaker 1: Also, so it's no for It's going to be a
Speaker 1: no for me as well, because thatsion.
Speaker 3: I mean, at the end of the day, only one
Speaker 3: one team can win, and the only way you can
Speaker 3: win is to make it to the final. And so
Speaker 3: by by you know, making that deal with Jordan and
Speaker 3: Kaz to like let us win even though the decision
Speaker 3: was going to be put on us, the only way
Speaker 3: I can win is if I'm in the final. And
Speaker 3: so yeah, I wouldn't change it. It just sucks. It's
Speaker 3: part of the game though, and that was the point
Speaker 3: of the game that we were at. And sometimes you
Speaker 3: will be faced with those decisions and sometimes you won't.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean it's definitely better to be We
Speaker 1: were talking to Emily, and yes, think about this last
Speaker 1: time that like it's gonna be weird and messy in
Speaker 1: the beginning and then at the end, like you're only
Speaker 1: stuck with clearly good, good players that have made it
Speaker 1: that far. So if anybody takes offense at that point,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like broke, Like we had someone has
Speaker 1: to go in and someone has to go home, and
Speaker 1: four pairs need to be in that final, and you
Speaker 1: got your spot. So after that, I've been like, sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm here. I mean part of you is like I
Speaker 1: worked this hard. I kind of made a lot of waves,
Speaker 1: I ruffled feathers. I did work. You know, you were
Speaker 1: never really safe in this game.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you've got to, like say one of
Speaker 3: your friend's names, at least it's at a point where
Speaker 3: it's either you going to the final or not going
Speaker 3: to the final, versus like the third vote and you're
Speaker 3: saying your friend's name, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 3: at least there's like, I don't know, justification to it
Speaker 3: a little bit more.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to dive into that part,
Speaker 1: like I want to know more about the vote. But yeah,
Speaker 1: we too, Like when you when you when they said stalemate,
Speaker 1: were you it's a two parter? Were you expecting that?
Speaker 1: And were you expecting to then if there was a
Speaker 1: stalemate have to pick a pair to go against Troy
Speaker 1: and Casey?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was expecting a stalemate. I was hoping
Speaker 3: they wouldn't stale maate it, you know, like just put
Speaker 3: because ultimately, you know, they're only sending one team in,
Speaker 3: so we don't have a decision. So almost THEO and
Speaker 3: I almost got to get away with, you know, getting without.
Speaker 1: Having my hands clean, without having to do anything.
Speaker 3: And you know that that's just you know, getting your
Speaker 3: having your cake and eating it too. And so once
Speaker 3: they stale mad it, I was like, fuck, now what
Speaker 3: But you know the conversation that you see Emily and
Speaker 3: I having in the bathroom, it's I've basically told her
Speaker 3: like I'm sorry, but I'm I'm not turning my back
Speaker 3: on Danny. And we literally just made that deal with
Speaker 3: Jordan and Kaz and so you know, it sucked, like
Speaker 3: I had weighed a lot of things. I hate that
Speaker 3: I even had to have that conversation with Danny because yeah,
Speaker 3: I think it made Danny be like what the hell,
Speaker 3: Like why are we looked Danny? Yeah, And so I
Speaker 3: hate that I had that conversation with him, but I
Speaker 3: needed to talk through it because Okay, so THEO wanted
Speaker 3: to put Torri and Danny in and like, yes, and
Speaker 3: Emily wanted us to put them into. And so I've
Speaker 3: got all these people in my ear, uh you know,
Speaker 3: and THEO was like, it's gonna look really bad if
Speaker 3: you turn on Emily now, and and so like Danny
Speaker 3: was the last person I had talked to, and so
Speaker 3: I'm kind of like just filling him in on what
Speaker 3: I'm thinking right right now. And with to me, I
Speaker 3: was just trying to talk through things. But I can
Speaker 3: totally see how Danny takes it as like I'm contemplating.
Speaker 1: This, yeah, and and but.
Speaker 3: I flat out told him, I'm like, Danny, I'm not conscious,
Speaker 3: like I just needed to talk through it. And I go,
Speaker 3: you know, and I apologized for even having to have
Speaker 3: that conversation, and I go, like, I will show you.
Speaker 3: I went, I talked to Emily and I told her like,
Speaker 3: it's it's going to be you guys. And that sucked
Speaker 3: having that conversation with her too, but again I'm gonna
Speaker 3: let her know. And then and then ultimately, I don't know,
Speaker 3: we didn't even have to make the decision, and I
Speaker 3: was like, I wish I did, But you know what,
Speaker 3: I'm not upset about not having it because I I
Speaker 3: felt so bad that I that it even brought the
Speaker 3: conversation up with Danny that even though we didn't have
Speaker 3: to make the decision, Danny still saw that I chose him, and.
Speaker 2: So we saw Danny ask you during that conversation, or
Speaker 2: he said, you know, my biggest thing is I would
Speaker 2: have just loved a heads up looking back, sort of
Speaker 2: two parts A. Was there an opportunity to give him
Speaker 2: a heads up of hey, I know you were thinking
Speaker 2: you already explained that you were thinking, oh, we're not
Speaker 2: gonna get our hands messy anyway, you know, but looking back,
Speaker 2: do you wish you had given him or Emily a
Speaker 2: heads up before that voting happened, just so that either
Speaker 2: one of them maybe felt a little less blindsided or.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, so if I let them know, like I mean.
Speaker 2: Clearly, maybe like after you won, you know, on the
Speaker 2: bus ride back for example, that literally, but you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, like before actual deliberations are happening, I.
Speaker 3: Don't think there's like okay. So if I tell Danny like, hey, man,
Speaker 3: like this is gonna be a tough, tough decision. And
Speaker 3: again I was getting you know, I have a partner too,
Speaker 3: and you know, like THEO had wanted to save Yes
Speaker 3: and Emily, and so I'm sitting there like if I
Speaker 3: would have told Danny, I felt like I would have
Speaker 3: been going behind Emily's back then, like because I'd be
Speaker 3: giving dannya heads up to basically don't stalemate it, because FYI,
Speaker 3: you know, so I would have rather just if we're
Speaker 3: gonna ultimately do your session anyway, then I'd rather just
Speaker 3: then I'm not doing anything shady to anybody, right, And.
Speaker 1: You can live with that, and you can also come
Speaker 1: back from that.
Speaker 3: Right, right, And that was the thing, like if I
Speaker 3: give Danny a heads up, hey, don't stalemate it, and
Speaker 3: then and then yeah, it keeps my hands clean until
Speaker 3: out that Sarah told me to not still made it.
Speaker 3: Now now I'm the bad, bad guy, right and where
Speaker 3: I can own a decision that I have to make
Speaker 3: and I can explain why I have to make it,
Speaker 3: but there's no explaining like that shadiness.
Speaker 2: You know, did Emily's behavior towards you change after you
Speaker 2: had that conversation in the bathroom, like before you guys
Speaker 2: went down to the arena.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I mean anyway, well, usually we were I
Speaker 3: had that conversation, We're supposed to be leaving for elimination,
Speaker 3: and for whatever reason, we couldn't do the elimination that night,
Speaker 3: but not only back. Huh yeah, so not only that
Speaker 3: we share a room, so yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah
Speaker 3: it sucked, and she was a wreck, Like the whole
Speaker 3: day she she's just kept to herself. So it really
Speaker 3: really sucked to have that happen. And then you know,
Speaker 3: parts of me, like I would I would battle with
Speaker 3: like kay, I'm trying to see it from her standpoint.
Speaker 3: But then at the same time, I'm like, but like,
Speaker 3: I mean this predicament that I'm in, Like if this
Speaker 3: was Grant, if it was you and my shoes and
Speaker 3: it's Grant and me, I wouldn't even ask you to
Speaker 3: save me. I would expect you to see Grant and
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be upset with you at all, right, And
Speaker 3: so then like I'm battling with that, I'm like, so,
Speaker 3: like you're mad at me? But is that fair? And
Speaker 3: then but ultimately, anybody can feel how they want to feel,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? And and so I think
Speaker 3: all of it was justified. I just you know, if
Speaker 3: I could do anything different, like I would go back
Speaker 3: and you know, not make Danny feel the way that
Speaker 3: I made him feel, because he didn't deserve that. And
Speaker 3: and that's not what I had intended.
Speaker 1: There, I just because he was riding for you. I
Speaker 1: mean no, no, I like he was. He was going
Speaker 1: to war with Tori, he was going to war with everybody.
Speaker 1: He was going to war with the viewers, every he
Speaker 1: was riding for Sarah, right.
Speaker 3: And and that's why I'm glad that I had the
Speaker 3: conversation with him too, because it was like I'm getting
Speaker 3: the other side of it from Yes, Emily, THEO and
Speaker 3: Kaz a little bit and then and nobody's going to
Speaker 3: bat for Danny right now, and so it's it's like
Speaker 3: I'm hearing all this in one ear and then so
Speaker 3: I'm glad, Like it was just no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 3: And yeah, but I would say, if I have any
Speaker 3: regret from the season, it's the fact that that Danny
Speaker 3: and I then I made Danny feel that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. We definitely saw a softer side I feel
Speaker 1: of you, todight, I know. And I was like the
Speaker 1: family side, the friends.
Speaker 2: Well, this whole I loved because Sarah last season was
Speaker 2: buck while Sarah was like coming and gunning full guns
Speaker 2: of blazon in every single episode in Challenge USA, and
Speaker 2: this season we got to see more of the side
Speaker 2: that we saw on the podcast last season, like we
Speaker 2: when you came on and we interviewed you and we
Speaker 2: got to just see you know, no one's one note
Speaker 2: and so it was cool getting to see these other
Speaker 2: notes of Sarah.
Speaker 1: Wait, so before we go any further, we need to
Speaker 1: take a quick break, but we will be right back
Speaker 1: after this.
Speaker 2: Sarah, we saw you and Emily get married on this
Speaker 2: season of the Challenge.
Speaker 1: How you know, are you guys still married? How they
Speaker 1: got engaged? They didn't get married?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, we got engaged.
Speaker 1: Well do we have a date now? I'm out of
Speaker 1: the conversation. I was just in a forir a second.
Speaker 3: She's actually engaged now to somebody else.
Speaker 1: So are you okay?
Speaker 3: I'm okay. It just so happens that I'm married also,
Speaker 3: so maybe that maybe that's for the best. But now
Speaker 3: that uh we have, we're ex fiances now.
Speaker 1: M hm. You know.
Speaker 3: So for future players, wherever.
Speaker 1: They can be challenged, we.
Speaker 3: Will not vote for each other because.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that right now. I wouldn't say that
Speaker 1: right now because people will hold this, hold you to this,
Speaker 1: they will time stamp this ship. Sarah said such and such. However,
Speaker 1: many minutes and seconds that she is never going to
Speaker 1: vote for Emily and already said that. She's already said
Speaker 1: it now, I know, until they put her husband on
Speaker 1: the show with her or somebody else and then it's
Speaker 1: her Listen or Danny again. Yes, right, that could be tough, Sarah.
Speaker 2: Now when they come to a stalemate, because I've been
Speaker 2: I feel like they've been hinting at this all season
Speaker 2: and I've been wondering about this, and I'm curious your
Speaker 2: thoughts too, Nini, because we see TJ warn don't do
Speaker 2: a stalemate again, right, Like we see him increasingly get
Speaker 2: annoyed when the stalemate is happening, and so he said it.
Speaker 2: Once stalemate happened, he said, don't do it again, and
Speaker 2: then it happened again, and he's like, I said, don't
Speaker 2: do a stalemate, and then y'all do it again.
Speaker 1: And I just Okay, you were in on this one.
Speaker 2: You weren't in on this one, but this season, this
Speaker 2: group does a stalemate again. Was there any fear in
Speaker 2: your mind going up there to that elimination that TJ
Speaker 2: wasn't going to take kindly or did you think he
Speaker 2: was kind of just like all talk and that it
Speaker 2: would you know, play as usual.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought he was all talk and it was
Speaker 3: going to play as usual. I definitely did not see
Speaker 3: it coming down to Casey and Troy picking. So yeah,
Speaker 3: he definitely worked out well.
Speaker 2: It did, because I was so well in it that
Speaker 2: he was going to say that you guys had to
Speaker 2: go in because he's done it before, and I was,
Speaker 2: I was, I was.
Speaker 3: He said, we punched our ticket. Yeah, we won the challenge.
Speaker 1: That's fair.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So when they said that it was Casey and Troy
Speaker 2: got to decide, did you instantly know that it was
Speaker 2: going to be Emily?
Speaker 3: And yes, yeah, I mean there was no way they
Speaker 3: were going to put it in Danny and Torry, and
Speaker 3: even if they weren't friends with Danny and Tory, they're
Speaker 3: not putting Danny and Tory in and then Jordan Kaz.
Speaker 3: Casey and Jordan are tight, Like, there was no way
Speaker 3: the only option on the table was Emily And yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it kind of it felt definitely
Speaker 2: felt karma esque, right like, it definitely felt a little
Speaker 2: especially because Troy and Casey were in that elimination specifically
Speaker 2: because yes, and Emily, you know, sabotaged them first to
Speaker 2: get them down there, So it felt it felt like
Speaker 2: one of those challenge poetic moments that kind of like
Speaker 2: comes full circle where it's like, okay, you guys did this.
Speaker 2: You've been coming for you know, us, the whole time.
Speaker 2: Now you have to go against us, which is as Again,
Speaker 2: as a viewer, I'm sure being up there doesn't feel
Speaker 2: so great, but as a viewer it was awesome.
Speaker 1: It was sort of beautiful to watch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, it was. I mean I hate it
Speaker 3: that it happened, obviously to to Yes and Emily, but
Speaker 3: I mean, if you take that off the table, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's as a viewer it's it's super fun to watch
Speaker 3: and you're like, boom, you know, you got what you wanted.
Speaker 3: So no, I think it all worked out. Even though
Speaker 3: I didn't have to say. I already said who I
Speaker 3: was picking, So I really still didn't get to skate
Speaker 3: without you know, making it known. But Emily and I
Speaker 3: have recovered since then, and she understands that it's a
Speaker 3: game and it wasn't personal, and it was you know again,
Speaker 3: if it was Grant there, she would have done the
Speaker 3: same thing, and I would have expected that. How often
Speaker 3: do you we talk, I don't know, maybe like once
Speaker 3: a week, but it's it's like through a message because
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 1: You know, time so off. I had to talk to
Speaker 1: her at seven am.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like you can't make phone call. Well I
Speaker 3: don't know. I guess you could make a phone call.
Speaker 3: Like I don't know. You can use Google whatever. I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know what people do and people and yeah
Speaker 3: that yeah, I live in Iowa.
Speaker 1: What's app there?
Speaker 3: No they do. We don't have Uber either.
Speaker 1: Do you not have Uber? H It's okay, Austin texts
Speaker 1: have Uber either.
Speaker 3: No, okay, so we do have Uber, but like nobody
Speaker 3: uses it.
Speaker 1: But oh that's fair because you guys right.
Speaker 3: So anytime, like I would go anywhere for casting stuff
Speaker 3: like whether it be Survivor or like with the challenge,
Speaker 3: I would always have to re download the Uber app
Speaker 3: on my phone, Like you know, they would apply you
Speaker 3: to do medical or they would whatever. I would have
Speaker 3: to always download the app because I don't ever use it.
Speaker 1: You'd have to take your horse to the airport.
Speaker 2: You mentioned Sarah that you kept in touch with Danny,
Speaker 2: you know during the off season.
Speaker 1: What do you guys chat about?
Speaker 2: Are you strategizing or like what are the Sarah and
Speaker 2: Danny conversations.
Speaker 3: Honestly, why is that funny?
Speaker 1: Because I feel like there's a big whiteboard and it's
Speaker 1: a production I've been researching, and there's like what like
Speaker 1: I just feel like it's like an it's a whole
Speaker 1: episode of Law and Order, and you're like.
Speaker 3: Dum.
Speaker 1: And then like you have these whole boards up like
Speaker 1: Torri's faces up there, and there's like red marks and
Speaker 1: darts in it, and like this is like the potential
Speaker 1: cast and you guys are like, this is what we're
Speaker 1: gonna do.
Speaker 3: We have like the strings running get this person has
Speaker 3: had sex with this person and this.
Speaker 1: Watch out for these connections.
Speaker 3: These two have held hands. Yeah, I mean you're so
Speaker 3: uh no, that's not what our conversations are, Like, uh No,
Speaker 3: They're just regular conversations, you know, and like we'll talk
Speaker 3: about everything. During football season, we talk about football, like
Speaker 3: he does fantasy league, so do why you know, he
Speaker 3: works with the Cowboys, so we talk about all that stuff.
Speaker 3: And then and then like when we were training, so
Speaker 3: like Danny's like, hey, like before we take off, like
Speaker 3: let's let's get up to ten miles, right, So we
Speaker 3: as we were training throughout the week, we would send
Speaker 3: each other like our runs for that day, you know,
Speaker 3: to motive, Like, so if I hadn't it's five o'clock
Speaker 3: and I haven't gotten out and ran and Danny Danny's
Speaker 3: sends me his that he went out and ran like
Speaker 3: eight miles this morning, and I'm like, oh shit, I
Speaker 3: better get on it. And so yeah, we just like
Speaker 3: kept each other in check and uh but it was fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds so I just ran eight miles this morning.
Speaker 1: It was amazing. I never like, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: feel so inspired of it. Back in three days, that's
Speaker 1: pretty much what it looked like. I mean, it is
Speaker 1: nice to have a partner like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, an accountability part like an inspiration slash
Speaker 2: accountability partner.
Speaker 1: Would you love like a like a like another ride
Speaker 1: or dies thing like to be paired up with Danny?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Danny's like would be like be a dream
Speaker 3: partner to have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys would be a team. You don't think
Speaker 1: it would cause any friction because I almost feel like
Speaker 1: YouTube being on separate sides or like different pairs helps
Speaker 1: you to kind of like work your strategy throughout the
Speaker 1: house a little bit more efficiently.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think we're more effective not being
Speaker 3: part because you know, it's like having two bullets in
Speaker 3: the gun instead of one. But if we're on the
Speaker 3: same you know, if we're the same partner team, then
Speaker 3: then yeah, we only got one shot, where as you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: I definitely want that final though, mean but yeah, well no, no, no, yeah,
Speaker 3: if I can run a final like with as your partner, yeah,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, Danny's so ideal for that. The guy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the guy will not quit and he'll encourage you and
Speaker 3: you know that you'll get one hundred percent out of him,
Speaker 3: and yeah, that's how you want.
Speaker 1: We're backing down, Yeah, which I really admired that part too.
Speaker 1: It's like, no matter what happened, he like really stuck
Speaker 1: to what he believed in. So yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: if those talks with y'all, but.
Speaker 3: He's probably gonna yell at me when she sees this
Speaker 3: episode and be like, what the fuck are you're thinking?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, It's fine, trust me, you can tell her. Listen,
Speaker 1: She'll be okay, Danny didn't go anywhere.
Speaker 3: It's fine.
Speaker 2: When you got back to the elimination and you saw
Speaker 2: that it was haulbrol and we saw that Emily and
Speaker 2: yes were going in.
Speaker 1: What were not?
Speaker 2: We know who you wanted to win, but like, what
Speaker 2: was your gut instinct when you saw them lining up
Speaker 2: to go against one another?
Speaker 1: Who was you who did you assume likely would win?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I thought Emily and yes, we're gonna win. And
Speaker 3: because Yes is bigger than Troy, and then you know
Speaker 3: Emily's a beast and so and I know Casey is two.
Speaker 3: But I just I don't know I had it in
Speaker 3: favor of them. I think their downfall was this is
Speaker 3: like I said, uh, just the night before I told
Speaker 3: her she was going in, she was out of it
Speaker 3: all day and so she was like down in the dumps,
Speaker 3: like like bad for the whole day, where As like
Speaker 3: Casey and Troy knew they were going in the whole time,
Speaker 3: and like, you know, they've got a different mindset I
Speaker 3: think going into it, because you see Emily get in
Speaker 3: there and she beats Casey on the first one and so.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't as easy as it would have been.
Speaker 2: Like I actually think I feel like with Hallborll and
Speaker 2: this one was a little different because sometimes we've seen
Speaker 2: it where the hall Broll really is so narrow it's
Speaker 2: almost like they can't get their shoulders through right, Like
Speaker 2: it literally be parts of the things where yeah, they
Speaker 2: had a little more space to like move around. And
Speaker 2: just like your buddy Danny said, even the hall borl
Speaker 2: seems like it's a size thing, and sometimes it is.
Speaker 2: I remember, I think we remember what was it Big
Speaker 2: Easy versus West, which just you know was a pretty
Speaker 2: like just wiped West out in that moment. But it's
Speaker 2: the center of gravity. Like being able to get low
Speaker 2: and move through has such an advantage. And both Emily
Speaker 2: and Yes are very tall, right with long limbs, so
Speaker 2: for them to get low is challenged, you know, harder
Speaker 2: than it's going to be for what did Troy say?
Speaker 2: He was like five foot seven or something like that,
Speaker 2: and Casey as well. But they definitely put up really
Speaker 2: really good fights. Who did you want to see when
Speaker 2: it got to the coin flip right, and it was like, okay,
Speaker 2: they're going to decide if it's a men's round or
Speaker 2: a women's round to determine it. Were you hoping it
Speaker 2: would be a women's round again or were you hoping
Speaker 2: it would be a male round? Like who do you
Speaker 2: think had the better odds?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was hoping it would be a women's round
Speaker 3: because Emily's just came off, you know, fresh off that win,
Speaker 3: and so I was hoping that like mentally that would
Speaker 3: have given her like a boost and maybe noted Casey
Speaker 3: down a little bit and put some doubt in her mind,
Speaker 3: like oh shit, like can I pull this up? Like
Speaker 3: can I do this? And so I was happy to
Speaker 3: see that. But as you see them go in, like
Speaker 3: you just said about the leverage and getting low, I mean,
Speaker 3: Casey just got lower than her, and then it you know,
Speaker 3: and then ultimately it turns into a foot race too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that's where I think Emily and
Speaker 2: Yes had it because they take longer strides, right, because
Speaker 2: they have longer limbs, So in that regard, they had
Speaker 2: an advantage there. But it was a really interesting final.
Speaker 2: How long do you think it took for that or
Speaker 2: for it was interesting elimination? How long do you think
Speaker 2: it took all up? Did everything happen pretty quickly or
Speaker 2: was it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was pretty quick. It wasn't like as fast
Speaker 3: as Enzo and Leo's hall brawl on Challenge USA, but
Speaker 3: but yeah, it wasn't like Kiki and Paudia's pull wrestle
Speaker 3: I mean that, Yeah, while you know where this was,
Speaker 3: this was over a lot, a lot quicker, but it
Speaker 3: was it was also nobody like ran the other person
Speaker 3: over and it was like a done deal, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean it was a fierce case. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was.
Speaker 2: That was one of those moments where I was, you know,
Speaker 2: like holding my breath and yeah. And it seemed like
Speaker 2: it was interesting too, because all five teams that are
Speaker 2: remaining are stacked teams at this point, right, Like, all
Speaker 2: five teams are teams that you don't necessarily want to see.
Speaker 2: And even when we see people like Toy, for example,
Speaker 2: rooting for Casey who's her friend, you know that there's
Speaker 2: still probably an element of I don't want to actually
Speaker 2: see Casey in the final you know, like I.
Speaker 3: Don't I don't know here, I'm gonna get give it
Speaker 3: some tea, give us some tea. I disagree with that
Speaker 3: a little bit. I mean, these guys, listen, part of
Speaker 3: the problem I have with these head knees don't be
Speaker 3: looking at me like that shit, that's fine. Uh So
Speaker 3: here's the thing. I feel like they are kind of
Speaker 3: having alignances that are bought and paid for and you know,
Speaker 3: explain well, when Casey wins and gives Tory fifty thousand dollars,
Speaker 3: When last season Tory wins and gives Jordan Nanny Johnny,
Speaker 3: you know, thirty eight thousand of dollars, they all get
Speaker 3: this money. It's like, then, do you really care who
Speaker 3: you want your friends in there even if they could
Speaker 3: beat you?
Speaker 1: Because yeah, but I didn't know, like I got to
Speaker 1: give money away, but not everybody was gonna give money
Speaker 1: if they.
Speaker 2: Want when they're not required, And would you rather the
Speaker 2: big sum then the little son you know, friends or not?
Speaker 1: Because when you renif they don't want to get a
Speaker 1: dollar too, I don't care who the hell's in there?
Speaker 1: And the last one, the one before that, when u
Speaker 1: CT and Casey won, like they were given the option
Speaker 1: this one, they just came up with giving us money
Speaker 1: And I'm like, but I would have shared money with
Speaker 1: Tori if I would have won, But that's because we
Speaker 1: just endured one hundred hours of bullshit.
Speaker 2: But are you implying that they're saying that they're okay
Speaker 2: if they have their friends in there who they feel
Speaker 2: could beat them, that.
Speaker 1: They got to kick back money. Would you rather that?
Speaker 1: Because yeah, like, wouldn't you rather have the people you
Speaker 1: feel you could beat period. Also, if your friends aren't
Speaker 1: in there, it means you don't have to share money
Speaker 1: because you don't like the people you're going up, except
Speaker 1: when there are sabotages in the final, because you get
Speaker 1: less of them if you have more friends. Otherwise people
Speaker 1: are putting it all on you. It's a hard I
Speaker 1: want to juggle here.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just think that you know only
Speaker 3: one team. If if four teams go to the final,
Speaker 3: only one is going to win. And if you've got
Speaker 3: people in there that have thrown cash your way after
Speaker 3: they won in the past, why wouldn't you want them
Speaker 3: going to the final with you over Yes, and Emily
Speaker 3: who've never thrown any money your way.
Speaker 1: Well, you don't know that. They don't even know. That's
Speaker 1: just because yes, well I'm not gonna put a shit
Speaker 1: out there because yes, it's a close friend of mine,
Speaker 1: but I have his letter on my fridge to this
Speaker 1: day after all stars. But not everything has to be seen.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people do things off camera
Speaker 1: that are noble and wonderful and whatever. I don't like.
Speaker 1: If I were to run a finalatory again, I would
Speaker 1: not expect her to give me money, she's my best friend.
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't. It wouldn't be an expectation. I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody goes in with that expectation. It's nice. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's nice, nice, and it's something we've seen kind of
Speaker 1: more recently. But I don't also because we get pissed
Speaker 1: off that, like there used to be three places, so
Speaker 1: every yeah, I come from the three places. You do
Speaker 1: a whole final time, Like what are we just getting
Speaker 1: that for? At least give us incentive or give us
Speaker 1: ten grand to be like, you know what, you did
Speaker 1: a good job, bro, like not good enough to like win,
Speaker 1: but like you endured the whole thing and you lost
Speaker 1: at the last second like somebody beat.
Speaker 2: And I think that's why some of the vets do
Speaker 2: do it because exactly like you said, so like the
Speaker 2: two finals I did, I came in third place both times.
Speaker 2: I got money both times, not handed, but earned money
Speaker 2: both times. And so I think these vets looking at it,
Speaker 2: see know exactly what Niece is saying that, like it's
Speaker 2: sucky to do all that get nothing, And I I
Speaker 2: just wonder because I feel like the term bought and
Speaker 2: paid for implies that there's this quid pro quo, or
Speaker 2: that there's less sort of legitimacy behind getting there winning,
Speaker 2: whereas like anyone handing out money is not expected. Just
Speaker 2: like when TJ throws in the twists of the reverse
Speaker 2: in the past, where it's like, oh, actually, both members
Speaker 2: of the team, don't you know you can keep all
Speaker 2: the money or whatever, you don't have to share it.
Speaker 1: I think you know that happens too.
Speaker 3: I guess maybe a little bit more context to that
Speaker 3: is I'm going back to a nomination discussion that we
Speaker 3: all had at the table where Cory's refusing to say
Speaker 3: Casey's name, and she is like, she gave me fifty
Speaker 3: thousand dollars, and she's like, you know, cramming that down
Speaker 3: our Throat's like, you can't expect me to say her name.
Speaker 3: She gave me money, I think then.
Speaker 1: But not like that. I think it's also like because
Speaker 1: when I'm when Casey's like Casey's my friend, is not enough,
Speaker 1: I think it's, well, she also did this for me
Speaker 1: as well, so like it's almost like, how the hell
Speaker 1: do I put somebody in here who like potentially paid
Speaker 1: my bills for a youre like, yeah, we have this thing,
Speaker 1: but Casey is also our friend, like we I'm.
Speaker 3: Not saying, and.
Speaker 1: There are real friendships outside of this that I say,
Speaker 1: you felt strongly about Emily, but there wasn't money involved,
Speaker 1: but you felt strongly about the connection you built with
Speaker 1: her and that proposal, then you know it's I think
Speaker 1: it's similar or there are strong connections otherwise. And I
Speaker 1: think they're saying that Toy was offering the money on tie.
Speaker 1: It's like, I get what Sarah saying also to coming in,
Speaker 1: like you're coming into a game that started way before
Speaker 1: you started. Yeah, and I think that also changes your
Speaker 1: perception of like what's going on. We're not your perspective
Speaker 1: of like what's going on, how it's going on, and
Speaker 1: what it may look like to you, and which is
Speaker 1: just because you're still which isn't a bad thing. Like
Speaker 1: you're I mean, you feel how you want about whatever.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've been on point about certain things, and
Speaker 1: you're gonna play how you want to play regardless. I
Speaker 1: can see how it can be a little irritating to
Speaker 1: see these things play out. I get that. I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to jump on your back, like you know, attack
Speaker 1: before it. I'm just trying to explain the one side,
Speaker 1: so you could see it a little bit better that like,
Speaker 1: it doesn't have should do with you, but all like
Speaker 1: we expect to see each other get then.
Speaker 3: And that's like the point of it doesn't have shit
Speaker 3: to do with me. So why are you guys making
Speaker 3: it my problem?
Speaker 2: Is?
Speaker 1: That's what I get that. I mean, that's a fair
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: It's like all of your guys's reasonings behind everything you
Speaker 3: want to do and why you want to do it
Speaker 3: this way is they're my friend. They gave me money,
Speaker 3: we have this, we have that, and it's like, well,
Speaker 3: none of that includes me, and so we're here to
Speaker 3: play this game. I'm here playing the World Championship. So
Speaker 3: you can tell me this un till you're blue in
Speaker 3: the face. But at the end of the day, that's
Speaker 3: your problem, not mine.
Speaker 1: It's not going to change how you play. And I
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, you are consistent. Yeah, and there's this
Speaker 1: you get the same Sarah, there's no like switching up,
Speaker 1: which yeah is and that's great character trait.
Speaker 2: That's a valid I think that's a valid perspective. I
Speaker 2: know earlier in the season we had conversations around Danny,
Speaker 2: who took a similar stance as you guys are very
Speaker 2: much on the same page. The difference being though that
Speaker 2: Danny stood to benefit though from the very alliance he
Speaker 2: was complaining about at that time, simply because Tory, you know,
Speaker 2: like he's it's not like it was. You know, uh,
Speaker 2: you guys weren't playing with the legends quote unquote. You
Speaker 2: guys were partnered with them, so his partner stood to benefit,
Speaker 2: which therefore meant Danny stood to benefit. And one could
Speaker 2: argue that you and THEO didn't have the same benefit,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like THEO didn't have the
Speaker 2: same strong alliances that Tory had coming in the right
Speaker 2: your stance may.
Speaker 3: Ten Jordan or Johnny and Tory, you know, wanted us
Speaker 3: like following their lead on this, and I'm sitting here going, well, Okay,
Speaker 3: Casey's gonna have Tory, Johnny's gonna have Toy, and Jordan's
Speaker 3: gonna have Tory before they're gonna have me, right and
Speaker 3: then and vice versa. I mean, yeah, I've got Danny,
Speaker 3: but unless they could yea and so and then, like
Speaker 3: Johnny wasn't letting Justine like have a voice, so as
Speaker 3: much as she's an ally, wasn't helping our numbers because
Speaker 3: he was doing like whatever he wanted, so he was
Speaker 3: his pitch to me, and I think why he got
Speaker 3: so frustrated, and I wouldn't because, like, dude, if you
Speaker 3: would have just I'm not an idiot, Like you're using
Speaker 3: me as a number. You're trying to make it sound
Speaker 3: like I'm part of the group, but I'm not. I
Speaker 3: am really low and I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: because guess what, those relationships that you told me were
Speaker 3: stupid that I shouldn't like, don't trust a three second
Speaker 3: relationship over the ten year relationships we have. Well, those
Speaker 3: three second relationships saved my ass more than once.
Speaker 2: Right, And your relationship with Johnny is three seconds realistically,
Speaker 2: So so he's telling you not to trust your intuition
Speaker 2: over and then he's new.
Speaker 3: Really when he gets sent home and none of his
Speaker 3: people turn around and help him, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So it's like, well, you told me that these guys
Speaker 3: were so tight with you, Well sure doesn't look like it.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, things can happen that way.
Speaker 2: It's a little funny, yeah, And there in lies the challenge,
Speaker 2: all right, So we got to see a little sneak
Speaker 2: peek of the final coming up now? Without giving anything away,
Speaker 2: what can you tease about the final?
Speaker 1: Like? Was just give us a little just like a
Speaker 1: little taste Sarah of what we should look out for.
Speaker 3: It's brutal, and I would say it was. I thought
Speaker 3: the Challenge USA final was bad. I would put this
Speaker 3: one on another level.
Speaker 1: Was TJ in the train outfit the whole final? Are
Speaker 1: we seeing him in the hat and the coat? I can't. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's my favorite thing when he gets dressed up because
Speaker 1: he looks absolutely ridiculous. But he's such a good sport. Yeah, no, yeap.
Speaker 3: He hees the driver of that train the whole time, Nisa, so.
Speaker 1: Little conductor TJ. Mm hmmm. I love that. And then also,
Speaker 1: you're guns drawing. How is this budding artist doing?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he's doing good. You know. Uh. If he
Speaker 3: drew a picture of you, it would look very similar
Speaker 3: to the one that he drew of me.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 3: What's that?
Speaker 1: Did you have bangs in that?
Speaker 3: They were supposed to be bangs? No? I think it
Speaker 3: was like hair coming off to the side, abstract, you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's meant yeah, it's whatever he wants it to best.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love you got to start him young,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate that he's found his creative.
Speaker 3: So the worst thing is like anytime he like because kids,
Speaker 3: he's eight, he'll turn nine in August, and so like kids,
Speaker 3: they drop all the time. They color and they draw
Speaker 3: all the time, and they think that they have to
Speaker 3: give their their parents every drawing, every picture color. Like
Speaker 3: they could take a cran and draw one line on
Speaker 3: a piece of paper and that's that. Keep this mom,
Speaker 3: And so like any time, like if I throw any
Speaker 3: of his artwork away, it's not even artwork, it's not artwork,
Speaker 3: it's like drawings on paper. Like I literally have to
Speaker 3: bury it in the trash can because if he goes
Speaker 3: to throw something away, because he's opened it up and
Speaker 3: he's been like pulls it out, like, Mom, you can't
Speaker 3: believe that through it away and it's like, but I
Speaker 3: have like one hundred and fifty of the same lines.
Speaker 1: Now, thank you, you are hilarious. So good. Well, maybe
Speaker 1: he'll get his Dolphin award.
Speaker 3: What was it that you said, the it's a dolphin
Speaker 3: badge and all you have to do is write your name.
Speaker 1: So if anybody's trying to be on the challenge. Make
Speaker 1: sure you have your dolphin badge first, Yeah, to show
Speaker 1: how good of a swimmer you think you are.
Speaker 3: So so wait, can I just tell a quick funny
Speaker 3: story about Kaz. She's gonna kill me for this.
Speaker 1: That's fine, all right.
Speaker 3: So and Caz, I love her, She's she's absolutely hilarious.
Speaker 3: I loved her these last couple of episodes where you've
Speaker 3: seen her really come into her skin. It's funny because
Speaker 3: Jordan and THEO like would always be like, cads, stand
Speaker 3: up for yourself. And then now that she's starting to
Speaker 3: talk back to them, you know, and you see her
Speaker 3: like hold her own, They're like, go back to the
Speaker 3: old Caz, and we're like no. But anyway, so, you know,
Speaker 3: we had our people from Argentina, Australia, like everybody has
Speaker 3: an accent, right, and everybody says different phrases, and they
Speaker 3: when we were doing like the tunnel time thing or
Speaker 3: whatever it was, you know, we had to do math,
Speaker 3: but Australians and people from the UK they call it
Speaker 3: maths and they kept calling it maths but they say
Speaker 3: it like maths And I'm like, okay, Kaz, what are
Speaker 3: you saying? She goes, you know, maths and I go,
Speaker 3: all right, spell it and she goes, I'm a f
Speaker 3: and I go what what.
Speaker 1: I thought she was gonna say? Thhs?
Speaker 3: Yeah I did too, no, and she goes, wait wait
Speaker 3: wait m a t hs And I'm like, you did
Speaker 3: not like so if Jordan thought she was bad at math,
Speaker 3: you know, she's way worse at spelling.
Speaker 1: You know's math.
Speaker 3: I'm like, what, that's amazing. Oh yeah, she's gonna kill
Speaker 3: me for saying that. But it's a true story.
Speaker 1: I love it. That's so hilarious. Now, if everyone wants
Speaker 1: to follow along and get more of your true stories
Speaker 1: inside scoop, or see some of your son's artwork that
Speaker 1: you're not throwing away, Sarah, where can they find you
Speaker 1: on social.
Speaker 3: It's just at Sarah Leasina on Instagram. And that's all
Speaker 3: I got. And if you, Davon, if you send me
Speaker 3: your address, I will start sending you artwork.
Speaker 1: You know Davon's done on this part.
Speaker 3: I mean, why do I keep saying I don't know
Speaker 3: why I say that.
Speaker 1: It's because Davon and Devin are ye close enough, and
Speaker 1: people I messed up Sarah Sarah so much. I'm like Samantha,
Speaker 1: I messed up a lot, Stacey, and I will tell
Speaker 1: you sometimes Steph, it happens. Thanks, but someone actually calls
Speaker 1: me Annie, so it's all right. It's like part of
Speaker 1: my name.
Speaker 3: Your name, it's part of it amy.
Speaker 1: I mean it could be a no.
Speaker 3: I feel like an asked to look for calling you
Speaker 3: that because.
Speaker 1: I thought we were cooler than this.
Speaker 3: Totally are and that's why I feel.
Speaker 1: Like a building. I even give you. Gave you my
Speaker 1: gold Star of the Week at something this season. I
Speaker 1: know last season you got all the side. You literally
Speaker 1: didn't get all the side I know, but you've come up.
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you.
Speaker 3: So anyway, Devin, send me your address and I will
Speaker 3: start sending you artwork.
Speaker 2: They're gonna be worth something someday. Well, thank you so
Speaker 2: much for sure for being here, Sarah. It's always a
Speaker 2: pleasure chatting with you. We've loved watching you this season.
Speaker 2: It's great seeing your gameplay and you're really holding down
Speaker 2: the fort despite theo's inability to swim properly. So kudos
Speaker 2: to you and can't wait to see you in your
Speaker 2: second your back to back final, second final.
Speaker 1: Can't wait to see you kick some butt.
Speaker 3: All right, let's go get it.
Speaker 1: Woohoo. Bye Selena, Bye Sallyanne. Well, I'm happy that I
Speaker 1: finally got to meet Sarah. Yeah, she didn't disappoint and
Speaker 1: is as honest as she is on TV as she
Speaker 1: is on Zoom. So I was excited to hear her perspective.
Speaker 1: And I like the fact that she doesn't back down
Speaker 1: from anything, So I appreciated that interview.
Speaker 2: You guys have a similar stubbornness. That's true for those
Speaker 2: I don't I mean, I don't mind that. I don't
Speaker 2: mind that I like to be on waivering on certain
Speaker 2: topics that.
Speaker 1: I really believe in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if you don't stand for something, you'll
Speaker 2: fall for anything. But then there's got to be a
Speaker 2: little fluidity there. And I think what's cool is we're
Speaker 2: seeing Sarah grow in that way, which is awesome, and
Speaker 2: like we're seeing she's strong where it counts, but she's
Speaker 2: she's constantly evolving and that makes it really fun to
Speaker 2: watch and fun to talk to and fun to follow
Speaker 2: along on social media. If people want to follow you
Speaker 2: on social media, Anissa, where should they do that?
Speaker 1: On one place? And that's Instagram, Anissa MTV A N E.
Speaker 1: S A MTV. That's the only place I am, no Twitter,
Speaker 1: no TikTok. But you know who's on every single thing, Devin,
Speaker 1: and she will tell you where you can follow, like
Speaker 1: and love her stuff. That's correct. You can go to
Speaker 1: my website Devinsmone dot com. That's them with the y
Speaker 1: Simone with an Ie and if you scroll to the
Speaker 1: bottom you'll see all of my socials. But if it
Speaker 1: makes it.
Speaker 2: Easier, you can go to my Instagram. It's Devin Simone,
Speaker 2: my TikTok, also Devin's moone Twitter, also Devin'smone. Or you
Speaker 2: can stream along live with me on Amazon, So you
Speaker 2: can go to Amazon dot com, slash shop, slash Devin Simone,
Speaker 2: click the follow button and I will give you a
Speaker 2: shout out whenever we are doing our fun live streams.
Speaker 2: We did one with Dolly Parton the other day which
Speaker 2: was so fun, so make sure you tune into that.
Speaker 2: And if you liked this episode, rate and review us
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Speaker 1: And tell all.
Speaker 2: Of your friends, especially if they have names that sound
Speaker 2: alike like Davon and Devin and Anissa, Amy, Annie, Sarah, Stephanie,
Speaker 2: you know that sort of thing. Just tell everyone it's
Speaker 2: gotta totally gonna tell them to go to Davon dot
Speaker 2: com for all of.
Speaker 1: Your Davon with an Hey, but I didn't, but you
Speaker 1: know what you folks can do. You can catch new
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Speaker 1: And we'll see you back here next week, see.
Speaker 2: You back together for a brand new episode in TV's
Speaker 2: official Challenge podcast, Serious to Say.
Speaker 1: We're not, We're not. We weren't in sync on that one,
Speaker 1: so we were. Now it's totally fine.