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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to the Wired to Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 2: which is doing some really good stuff for deer and

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Speaker 2: deer hunters. I'm actually out this week hunting on the

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Speaker 2: get into this thing. So they're doing great stuff. I'm

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Speaker 2: glad we're supporting them. That said, this week on the show,

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Speaker 2: we are chatting with an under the radar big buck machine.

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Speaker 2: This is a guy who some of the best deer

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Speaker 2: hunters that I know say is one of the best

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Speaker 2: deer hunters they know. He's someone who has previously resisted

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Speaker 2: the spotlight. He's someone who has not shared his tactics

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Speaker 2: or hunting strategies online before or in podcasts before. He's

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Speaker 2: a person who has more one hundred and fifty inch

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Speaker 2: bucks on the wall than I have years of my life.

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Speaker 2: All Right, this is someone you've probably not heard of,

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Speaker 2: but someone you're definitely gonna want to learn from today.

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Speaker 2: And this guy's name is Brad Davis. Brad's a realtor

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Speaker 2: for Macio Properties, and he's a friend of the Lone

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Speaker 2: Wolf Custom Gear crew over there, and he came by

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Speaker 2: recommendation of a mutual friend of ours, Justin Hollinsworth, who's

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Speaker 2: been on the show here today. And what we're going

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Speaker 2: to do here shortly is talk to Brad and break

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Speaker 2: down his approach to hunting mature whitetails and what makes

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Speaker 2: his approach unique, I think, And the main thing we

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Speaker 2: focus on here today is how he has simplified deer hunting.

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Speaker 2: A lot of us over complicate deer hunting. A lot

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Speaker 2: of us go in all these different crazy directions and

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Speaker 2: try to pattern this thing and try to think about

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Speaker 2: this factor. And Brad says, no, no, no, no no,

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Speaker 2: Let's just look at the terrain of the topography. Think

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Speaker 2: about where deer going to eventually move through, and then

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Speaker 2: let's wait them out. Let's get there with the right wind.

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Speaker 2: Let's be bulletproof with wind. Let's know a couple key places,

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Speaker 2: and let's hunt they're smart, over and over, and let's

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Speaker 2: hunt the next one over and over. So he's got

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Speaker 2: this I don't want to say simple, but a a

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Speaker 2: uncomplicated but smart way to kill big old bucks. And

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Speaker 2: he does it very well. So that's what we're going

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Speaker 2: to talk about here shortly. I think it's a breath

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Speaker 2: of fresh air in a certain way. So I'm excited

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Speaker 2: about this conversation. I think you guys are all going

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Speaker 2: to learn something from Brad. That's that's going to be

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Speaker 2: a useful change of pace. But before that, what I

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Speaker 2: want to do is take a quick second here to

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Speaker 2: catch up with my buddy and right hand man, mister

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Speaker 2: Tony Peterson. Thanks for hanging there quietly while I rambled

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Speaker 2: on my friend. But what I want to do today

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Speaker 2: which is take a little time here at the beginning,

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Speaker 2: just catch up on what's going on in our hunting

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Speaker 2: worlds so folks can continue to follow our stories throughout

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Speaker 2: the hunting season and what we're doing and learning as

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Speaker 2: we go. So before we chat with Brad, I got

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Speaker 2: to hear Tony real fast. Is there anything new in

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Speaker 3: Man, you know, other than one of my daughters killed

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Speaker 3: And I've been taking my other daughter out and we

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Speaker 3: have our eye. You know me, I'm not a not

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Speaker 3: Like we don't we don't hit list of them really

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Speaker 3: He's he's a deer that just I photographed him this

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Speaker 3: So I'm thinking this is probably that deer and he

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Speaker 3: this deer. And I was like, every other sit after this,

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Speaker 4: Can't do it.

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Speaker 3: We got to go in and this is kind of

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Speaker 3: an experiment. We went in, didn't see anything, and I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I pushed it and we blanked four sits. I mean

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Speaker 3: we were like if we saw a squirrel, we were stoked.

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Speaker 3: And so that's kind of been my hunting life other

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Speaker 3: And so I haven't seen a deer while hunting in

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Speaker 3: I guess five or six sits. So I'm kind of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that can be the store this time of the

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Speaker 2: year can be feast or famine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean, you know me, dude, I'm like,

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Speaker 3: the lull isn't real. Hunt in hot weather, do whatever.

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Speaker 3: And then now like there was a full moon during

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Speaker 3: and I was like, gosh, maybe I've been wrong this

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Speaker 2: So well, I've been seeing the opposite Tony. So I've

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Speaker 2: been I've been a person who's always like, ah, you know,

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Speaker 3: Hold On, hold on, did you just say that it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I said.

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Speaker 3: Well, hold on, didn't you just kill a big buck

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Speaker 2: Like I said, Uh No, I just kidding.

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Speaker 3: I uh And and now you're seeing big bucks in

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Speaker 2: You know what, Tony, we all have grown over the

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Speaker 2: years and we're slowly becoming more wise, and experience is

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Speaker 4: So what do you see it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so's here's what's happening. So as we talked about

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Speaker 2: few weeks ago we were talking about kind of our

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Speaker 2: the name the buck I'm after usually. So I've got

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Speaker 2: And so you know, I started getting pictures of him

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Speaker 2: cool deer, a lot of encounters. I know a lot

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Speaker 2: about what he does usually. I had a pretty solid

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Speaker 2: I'm seeing deer move. I actually saw the number two

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Speaker 2: He's on his feet way way back in this property,

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Speaker 2: I hunted that following night, opening night in a spot

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Speaker 2: I didn't see him that night. The next night, I

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Speaker 2: and this was this is one of my AHA moments.

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Speaker 2: So great to see that, and I would I did

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Speaker 2: helping two guys having a good time. So far, not

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Speaker 2: now two nights of the last five he was spotted

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Speaker 2: So it's very interesting. And he was moving in daylight,

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Speaker 2: And so now I'm thinking, do I hunt him the

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Speaker 2: wants to He's got this little pocket that there's never

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Speaker 2: I never go in there, there's never people in there.

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Speaker 2: Is that a new thing I need to start thinking about?

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Speaker 2: So that's where I'm right now. It's like thinking this

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Speaker 3: When So when you say that, like, historically that grassy

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Speaker 3: Has that been consistent with whatever crops were planted there?

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Speaker 3: Has it been consistent with beans and corn or whatever's

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, you know, it rotates corn beans

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Speaker 2: And I've you know, for years, talked about trying to

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Speaker 2: And so it's not like I haven't been able to

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Speaker 2: Not to say it hasn't happened, and I certainly could

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Speaker 3: Well, when you say you know you've got this kind

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's like such a recipe for big buck betting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know the answer to that. And I

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Speaker 2: I'd be like, well, yeah, this doesn't seem like a

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Speaker 2: it's it's probably maybe three acres maybe something like that,

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Speaker 2: and then there's houses along the road. But the thing

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Speaker 2: So he's right there, you know, close to people. But

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Speaker 2: for me to get back to hunt him, you know,

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Speaker 2: the way I have to access his property, he's not

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Speaker 3: Haven't you been having a bunch of southern southernly win Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Certainly could be huh. I mean I wonder though, like,

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Speaker 2: I know this dude, uh, you know comes in this

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Speaker 5: Is he?

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Speaker 2: Or maybe maybe not? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Man, if you're if you know ninety

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Speaker 2: I mean, And I got to say, if I was

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Speaker 2: I would probably get really good at avoiding that one person.

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Speaker 2: That's been his life, his last four buddies, so he's, uh,

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Speaker 3: Do you do you have a way to watch that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what I'm actually gonna plan on doing,

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Speaker 2: We'll have to see what the wind's doing. But if

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Speaker 2: do that the morning of the eighth, which is the

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Speaker 2: because that's my big question, is like we have this

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Speaker 2: these are the best conditions I've had yet this year.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be like thirty five degrees cooler than it was,

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Speaker 2: twice up in this grassy pocket. My good hunt would

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Speaker 2: have been, you know, way back where he usually beds

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Speaker 2: tied to that stuff. Like I've thought about there's some

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Speaker 2: oaks dropping in this little woody pocket next to his

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Speaker 2: usual betting area. I thought about diving into that. Or

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Speaker 2: I've got this little green field way back there that

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Speaker 2: he off also frequents this on the other side of

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Speaker 2: now I'm wondering, like, geez, do I hunt up front?

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Speaker 2: But the problem is, like if I hunt up front,

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Speaker 2: if he's not there, there's nothing else there and it's

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Speaker 2: just gonna be sitting there watching people play with their

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Speaker 3: Man, when you get a buck like that in early

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Speaker 3: like this and you see him in a spot, my

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00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,119
Speaker 3: personal opinion is get after him right now because that

434
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,840
Speaker 3: pattern's probably going to die. And I wouldn't overthink it.

435
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,199
Speaker 3: I mean, I've I've killed a few bucks in the

436
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,439
Speaker 3: beginning of October, first two weeks of October like that

437
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,119
Speaker 3: where you just pick them up, and you're like, I

438
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 3: saw him here, what's going on? And then you go

439
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,199
Speaker 3: in and kill him the next chance you have, and

440
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 3: ye would I wouldn't do the Kenyan overthinking thing here.

441
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,680
Speaker 3: I just Bond's eye in there and kill that bastard.

442
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 2: Well, I don't appreciate that you're labeling this as the

443
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:40,399
Speaker 2: Kenyon overthinking thing, but I'll gloss past that and just

444
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 2: say I like the idea of killing.

445
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 3: Him, so yeah, go kill him. I got I got

446
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 3: a question for you when you walk out on the

447
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 3: back forty now after not being there, you know, I mean,

448
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,199
Speaker 3: you spent a crazy amount of time there for a

449
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 3: couple of years, and then now you go back do

450
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,719
Speaker 3: this mentor thing like, do you feel a sense of

451
00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 3: like nostalgia when you walk in there?

452
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 2: Man, really big, big time nostalgia and like a proud

453
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 2: daddy kind of thing, like a proud dad Like you

454
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 2: go out there and you should see you should see

455
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 2: what it looks like now, Tony, it's so much better

456
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,679
Speaker 2: than when you and I were hunting there, Like the

457
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 2: fields you remember, I mean, in the year you came

458
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 2: in a hunted they were dramatically better than the first year.

459
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 2: But now there is switchgrass like up to my face

460
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 2: all over the place. There's all sorts of native vegetation.

461
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,159
Speaker 2: I mean it's there could be deer bedded on every

462
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 2: square inch of that place. It looks it looks like

463
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 2: a dreary outdoors Iowa property. Now, Wow, it's pretty impressive. Now,

464
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,880
Speaker 2: we hunted the last two nights and I saw just fawns,

465
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,719
Speaker 2: So it was weird. I'm surprised by that, So I do.

466
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 2: I have got questions about what's going on. There's tons

467
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 2: of acorns everywhere out here right now, Like the white

468
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 2: oaks are raining acorns, and we don't have white oaks

469
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 2: on this property really anywhere that I know of, So

470
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 2: I'm a little worried that they might be like sitting

471
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 2: in the timber somewhere eating acorns, and that could be

472
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 2: what's happening. But the first two days we probably had

473
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 2: lousy weather. Yeah, the first day was like eighty five.

474
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 2: The second day was like torrential downpour. So because of that,

475
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 2: we stayed on the front half of the farm, like

476
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 2: the safer part of the farm, and we've saved the

477
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 2: back half of the best stuff for the second part.

478
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,679
Speaker 2: When this cold front hits, it's now going to be

479
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 2: like twenty some degrees cooler and great. So we've got

480
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 2: this back half of the trip with great conditions, and

481
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 2: now the back half of the farm is you know, untouched.

482
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 2: So tonight we're gonna go into a kill spot and

483
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 2: hopefully one of them will get a shot.

484
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 4: Nice.

485
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, this has been an I don't know, this

486
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,640
Speaker 3: has been a weird year. I was telling my wife

487
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 3: the other day, I'm like, I feel like I'm either

488
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,439
Speaker 3: hunting in beach weather or a downpour and there's nothing

489
00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 3: else every day, and it's this bad win and the

490
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 3: acorn thing. I mean, it's I've heard from people all

491
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 3: across the country and I've definitely dealt with it myself

492
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 3: in Minnesota, Wisconsin. The acorn situation this year is wild.

493
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of mass and like you said, it's

494
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 2: not a one off thing, like everyone seems to be

495
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,239
Speaker 2: seeing it. Everyone I've talked to at least has been

496
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 2: seeing it. So yeah, that changes things up. It makes

497
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 2: your typical you know, crop fields or little food plots

498
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 2: and stuff just not dead but not quite what they

499
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 2: usually are when they can be back in the timber

500
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 2: and the cover eating candy.

501
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 4: You know.

502
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:41,439
Speaker 2: Yep, So we'll see. I'll hopefully have an update for

503
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 2: you next week or the week after on this whole

504
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 2: wide nine thing in the back forty thing. These two

505
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 2: guys are trying to kill their first year with a

506
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 2: bow and I've been I've hunted with them the last

507
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 2: two years in a row, kind of helping them on

508
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 2: their journey. So this is hopefully going to be that

509
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 2: final step. It'd be pretty cool if that came together.

510
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 3: What are they open to? What's where? Where's the bar

511
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 3: set for those.

512
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 2: Guys for any Yeah, any adult deer that gives them

513
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 2: a really good safe shot with the bow, So that

514
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 2: could be a dough, that could be a four key,

515
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 2: anything like that, they would be thrilled with.

516
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 3: Nice. So that's that's like a fun way to hunt. Yeah,

517
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be doing that next week down in Oklahoma.

518
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 3: That's a fun way to hunt.

519
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, So give us the thirty second rundown of what

520
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 2: hunt you've got coming up? Thirty seconds because we got

521
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 2: to shut this thing down right on.

522
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 3: I am heading down to Oklahoma to hunt public land

523
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 3: with Steve Ranella and we are bow hunting deer and

524
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 3: it is gonna probably be a disaster where I'll be

525
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 3: back out on my own by the.

526
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 2: End of October, but maybe not.

527
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 4: We'll see.

528
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 2: It was a good run, Tony. I'm glad you were

529
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 2: able to work here for a little bit. We're gonna

530
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 2: miss you. But uh now, you guys will have a blast.

531
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 2: I'm excited to hear about how it goes. I'm sure

532
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 2: you guys will have fun.

533
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 3: I hope so, buddy.

534
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 2: Okay, So with all that said, Tony, thank you for

535
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 2: giving me the rundown. Thanks for giving me some thoughts

536
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 2: and feedback on my hunting stuff going on here. Let's

537
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 2: do this again soon so we can kind of keep

538
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 2: tabs on what's happening. And now we got to talk

539
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 2: to mister Brad Davis, who's got some good thoughts, some

540
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: kind of grounding advice. He takes someone like me who's

541
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 2: like all over the place, and I think he kind

542
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 2: of brings us back to earth and says, hey, just

543
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: focus on a couple core things and do them. Well,

544
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 2: that's what we're going to focus on here today. So

545
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 2: let's get to mister Brad Davis. All right here with

546
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 2: me now on the line. I've got Brad Davis. Brad,

547
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 2: thanks for taking time to do this.

548
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 4: Thank you.

549
00:26:54,920 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 2: So I understand this is your first podcast you've done,

550
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 2: so thank you first off for being willing to step

551
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 2: on a limb here and talk about this stuff. But

552
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 2: I got to tell you the story of how I

553
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 2: heard about you and why i'm you know, why I

554
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 2: want to reach out. I was listening to a conversation

555
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 2: that your buddy, Justin Hollinsworth was having, and Justin's made

556
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 2: the podcast Rounds. He's been out there talking to a

557
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 2: bunch of people recently, so so Justin was on my mind,

558
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 2: and he was talking about some of his different you know,

559
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 2: hunting styles and influences, and he brought up the fact

560
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 2: that he has this buddy, and he's got a buddy

561
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 2: who has this goal of killing fifty one hundred and

562
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 2: fifty inch bucks before it's all said and done. And

563
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 2: I heard that I was like, jeez, that is an

564
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 2: ambitious guy. And then he said that this friend of

565
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: his has already killed thirty eight of them, and I thought, Okay,

566
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 2: this guy's not only ambitious, but he's really getting it done.

567
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 2: So I reached out to Justin after I listened podcast,

568
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: and I said, who is this friend of yours? And

569
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: he said, well, Mark that's Brad Davis, and you should

570
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 2: talk to him. So so here we are, Brad, we

571
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 2: are talking, and I got to ask you about that goal.

572
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 2: Is that Is that a goal you are still actively chasing?

573
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I think when you're younger, you make goals

574
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 4: or you kill a few big deer, and you think, boy,

575
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 4: I'm pretty young. You know, you think I could probably

576
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 4: get this done. But as the years go by, you

577
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 4: start you probably up the up the annie a little

578
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 4: bit and you start letting stuff walk that normally you

579
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 4: would shoot. I would have shot younger years. But no,

580
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 4: I'm still I'm still thinking it's a it's attainable. There

581
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 4: was several years I was able to kill two a year,

582
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 4: you know, here in Illinois, and that that really flattens

583
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 4: the curve. But he was wrong, I think I'm and

584
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 4: I might have told him wrong. But I've only killed

585
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 4: thirty seven, so he was He's one off.

586
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: Okay, not too many.

587
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's still a goal. Yeah, I'd like to kill

588
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 4: I'd like to kill fifty over one fifty.

589
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 2: What's the tell me about your goal process? Like, how

590
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 2: why have goals like that? How does that keep you focused?

591
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: What does that kind of how does that fit into

592
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 2: the way you approach your hunts.

593
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 4: Well, you know, first of all, I want to I

594
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 4: want to let everybody know I'm probably luckier than a

595
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,239
Speaker 4: lot of people on where I get to hunt. You know,

596
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 4: where I'm in Central Illinois, there's big deer. You know.

597
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 4: You just you get into these guys hunting the Southern

598
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 4: States or the Eastern States, and they they think you're nuts.

599
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 4: But you know, you let two or three one fifties

600
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 4: walk in a year, and then you know you're trying

601
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 4: to kill a one sixty so or a one seven deer,

602
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,479
Speaker 4: you know, or whatever whatever you've got, But you can

603
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 4: only kill what's on the property. And growing up here

604
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 4: in Central Illinois, I've been pretty fortunate to be able

605
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 4: to be around big deer, you know, and you kind

606
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 4: of lose sight of that when you're when you live

607
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 4: here and you're in the middle of it, you lose

608
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 4: sight of that. For the guys that are on the

609
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 4: out e east or out in the South, you just think, well,

610
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 4: this is how do they not killing one fifties? Well,

611
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:12,959
Speaker 4: they don't kill them because they're not there. I mean,

612
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 4: it's you just got to remember where you live.

613
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, was there any kind of major like threshold for

614
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,479
Speaker 5: you when you as you've been going up over the years,

615
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 5: as you've been targeting.

616
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: Older deer or bigger deer, was there any kind of

617
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 2: moment where all of a sudden you realize, Oh, if

618
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: I want to kill that next tier deer, that's a

619
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: whole new ballgame, Like this is a whole new thing.

620
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 2: I need to figure out. Where was that shift for you?

621
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 2: Is it like when you went from shooting those first

622
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 2: few young bucks all of a sudden trying to shoot

623
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 2: three year older bucks, Or was it when you you know,

624
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 2: is it a certain size deer, when was that big

625
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 2: jump in your experience?

626
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 4: Well, I just think it's a progression for a lot

627
00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 4: of guys. When you're around when you've got to quo

628
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 4: deer and you're a round, good deer, the more you're

629
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 4: around them, the more you settle down, you don't get

630
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 4: you know, you don't get so wound up every time

631
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 4: you see a one fifty or bigger. And there's probably

632
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 4: times that you let deer walk that you at the

633
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 4: end of this season you think I probably should have

634
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 4: shot him. But that's just part of it. And I've

635
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 4: never been too caught up and eating tags. It's kind

636
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 4: of been more about if I don't want to put

637
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 4: a deer on a wall or something, I'm I'm happy

638
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 4: with just let it go. And yeah, it's there's years

639
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 4: that pays off, and there's years that somebody else kills

640
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 4: the deer the next year. You know, you just it's

641
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 4: just a crapshoot. You just can't. You can't. You can't

642
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 4: make sure that every deer survives every year. And there's

643
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 4: been deer let pass one year, thinking boy, he'll be

644
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,239
Speaker 4: a dandy next year, and two weeks later you get

645
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 4: a picture from a neighbor somebody's killed him. So but

646
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 4: as far as I don't know, I think after everybody

647
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 4: probably gets into the same When you kill a half

648
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 4: a dozen one forties, then you you know, you just

649
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 4: keep moving up the ladder. You think, well, I want

650
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 4: to kill a one fifty, Then I want to kill

651
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 4: a one sixty. Then you want to kill a you know,

652
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 4: and everybody wants to kill a two hundred. But it's

653
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 4: it's just a needle in a haystack to find a

654
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 4: two hundred. So I don't know, I just I just

655
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 4: think a guy's got you got to have. You've got

656
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 4: to have some patience and not get too caught up

657
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 4: in this. I don't know. Social media, to me, has

658
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 4: has changed the way a lot of guys they want

659
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 4: to promote themselves, and that's that's not me, but guys

660
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 4: that want to promote themselves, they want to kill big

661
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 4: deer every year, and whatever it takes is what they do.

662
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 4: But I just I just enjoyed. I actually enjoy hunting

663
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 4: more than the killing, I mean, And that's probably part

664
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 4: of the reason I don't mind letting one fifties or

665
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 4: a one sixty walk is because as soon as you

666
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 4: kill that deer, then you're on to the next one,

667
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 4: and that deer has gone from the herd. You know,

668
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 4: he can't grow, he can't get bigger for the next year.

669
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 4: So I think patience and the fact that after you

670
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 4: kill a certain number, you just kind of can get

671
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 4: to the that you can let him go. But there's

672
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 4: really was nothing that I can say, hey, you know,

673
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 4: this is really what triggered did I. I've just always

674
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 4: loved chasing the you know, the bigger, mature bucks.

675
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: So so what's the goal for this year?

676
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 4: Do you have? Are you? Are you? Well? I've got

677
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 4: two bucks A steer or yeah. I've got two bucks

678
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 4: that both made it last season. One of them's on

679
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 4: a personal a piece of ground that's a personal property

680
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 4: that mown farm. And I let him go last year.

681
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 4: We thought he was probably he's a clean ten, thought

682
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 4: he was No. One sixties last year, let him go twice,

683
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 4: videoed him and and he is. He did survive. He

684
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 4: made it. I did not find his sheds. He I

685
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 4: don't know where he went for the winner, but I

686
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 4: never found a shed. But he put on a couple

687
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 4: of stickers and an eleventh point this year, so he's

688
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 4: a little bigger, not not huge. I mean he's he

689
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 4: might he might be one seventy. But I got another

690
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 4: buck that's I think he's a young buck. But man,

691
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 4: is he got. He's got about everything you'd want. He's

692
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 4: got junk, and he's got tall times. And I don't

693
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 4: know if he's survived or not. I had pictures of

694
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 4: him in late January before he shed, so I know

695
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 4: he made it that that long, that that far, but

696
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 4: I don't know since I've not got any pictures of him.

697
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 4: But it's a small plot, like a four acre piece,

698
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 4: and it's maybe he'll show up again this year. Late

699
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 4: season because he didn't show up there until late last

700
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 4: year till December. And I'm pretty okay, I've seen that

701
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 4: happen a lot of times. You know, dear will show

702
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 4: up late season, and the next year the same thing,

703
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 4: they won't show up till late season again. So that's

704
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 4: my two that's the two target bucks I've got, and

705
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 4: we'll see what happens. The game begins at the end

706
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 4: of one season, the next season starts.

707
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, So with that that home buck, the bucks, the

708
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 2: buck that's on your personal farm. What does that game

709
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: look like at this point? So I guess that's two

710
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 2: parts of this the question one, what did you do

711
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 2: from the end of last season until now to prepare

712
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: yourself for this? And then I'm curious, where's your heat at?

713
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 2: Like right now? The Illinois season just kicked off a

714
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 2: handful of days ago. Where do things stand now in that?

715
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 2: That would be my two part question.

716
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, I've got my farm this year

717
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 4: is all standing corn and I've only gotten pictures of

718
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 4: him on two different cameras one time each last year.

719
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 4: And I always tell guys to pay attention if you

720
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 4: see him mature buck moving through the woods or you

721
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 4: see in bed pay attention to the wind, the conditions,

722
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 4: pay attention to why he's where he's at that day.

723
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 4: And he was bedding up next to another fence. He

724
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 4: was right up against my back, was laying against the

725
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 4: fence last year, and he's still and that's where he's

726
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 4: bedding this year. He's back there now. But it's an

727
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 4: old pasture that I would have to cross, an old pasture,

728
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 4: and i'd have to have an east wind. Well, we

729
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 4: don't get hardly any east winds here, so I'll let

730
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 4: it go. I'll just let it ride a little bit here.

731
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 4: I'm not I know some guys can, some guys don't care,

732
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 4: and I and I'm I mean, I'm friends with Andre

733
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 4: Toquisto and Cody. Those guys are aggressive. I am not aggressive.

734
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 4: I'll be the first to tell you. I'm I'm more

735
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 4: sit back, let it play out type type hunter. And

736
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 4: I don't use sins. I don't use grunt to, I

737
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 4: don't use anything, no rattling antlers. I mean, I just don't.

738
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 4: And I've seen pluses and minuses of all that stuff,

739
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 4: but I just don't. I don't I play the wind.

740
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 4: And I just think that buck has been there that long. Well,

741
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 4: he's grown up there, and does he leave, Yeah, he

742
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 4: probably does. He probably gets to the neighbors. But he's

743
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 4: made it this long and I feel confident of where

744
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 4: he's staying and where he's staying and is what I

745
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 4: consider my sanctuary. So I'll let it play out until

746
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 4: my conditions get better, as far as I got to

747
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 4: get the corn out, and they're they're picking corn here now,

748
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 4: but it's got to come out for me to be

749
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 4: able to access my farm very well at all. So

750
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 4: it's just patience, and I know some guys really struggle

751
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 4: with that.

752
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: You know where he's at, that sanctuary area, and so

753
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: I'm assuming you knew that based on what it did

754
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 2: last year. So do you go in the off season?

755
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 2: Did you pre hang anything, do you have anything set

756
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: up already or are you going to be going actually

757
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 2: in season hanging hunt?

758
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 4: No, I pretty well am owned property. I pre hang presets.

759
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 4: It's so much easier, especially when you're going in the

760
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 4: camera equipment and video and stuff. But most all my

761
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 4: ninety percent of the time of my own property, it's

762
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 4: all pre set and I do all my I do

763
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 4: most of my prune and scouting and stuff. In in

764
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 4: March and February March, and it's and I hunt. That's

765
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,959
Speaker 4: when I hung a stand for him for for this year.

766
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 4: So I shouldn't say I don't even have a stand home.

767
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 4: I've got steps, I've got it pruned, everything's ready to go.

768
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 4: But and I'll slip in. I normally go in there

769
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 4: with a mow or a boush hog, and I haven't

770
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 4: done that. In fact, I was going to do it today.

771
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 4: It's raining here today. Now. My goal is to get

772
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 4: it done here before the weekend. And I'm going to

773
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 4: get the stand home. I'll go in there with the

774
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 4: bush hog and make all the rack and the noise

775
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 4: with the tractor and the buuschhog mowing, and I'll just

776
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 4: I'll put the stand on the tractor and then I

777
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 4: just I'll just get off, hang the stand and make

778
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 4: sure everything's okay, and then I'll just get out of there.

779
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm pretty patient on that kind of stuff.

780
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 4: I don't get I don't get too rambunctious. As far

781
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 4: as running deer around, I never have. But there's there's

782
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 4: so many different ways guys can kill big deer. I mean,

783
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 4: it's not it's not I've said forever. It's not magic.

784
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,439
Speaker 4: I mean you just you just think about a buck

785
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 4: that's walking through the woods during the rut. How many

786
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 4: trees in a day could a hunter be sitting in,

787
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 4: have the right wind and kill that buck. There's thousands

788
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 4: of trees, you know, and it's I'm not trying to

789
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 4: dumb it down, but there is literally in a twenty

790
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 4: four hour span or a say, a twelve hour day

791
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 4: daylight hours, there's probably a thousand trees that a guy

792
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 4: could be in that a buck walks by and you

793
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 4: could kill him. I I don't get too caught up

794
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 4: and trying to make anybals believe I'm doing anything magical.

795
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 4: It's a lot of us persistence and patience.

796
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. So this setup you've got that you're going to

797
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 2: go mow the trail to and throw the stand up there?

798
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 4: Uh?

799
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: Can you break down that spot? Why is that the

800
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: spot you think you can get them killed? How's that

801
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 2: going to work?

802
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 4: This is a pretty this piece of wood, it's a

803
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 4: pretty square woods. It's got a creek that runs through it.

804
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 4: And what he does is he stays on the north

805
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 4: side of the creek. Almost well, every time I've seen

806
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 4: him do what he does to go to his bed.

807
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 4: He's on the north side of the creek. It's a

808
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 4: jungled mess. There was a tornado went through this woods

809
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 4: years ago and there was a bunch of heade trees

810
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 4: on that side of the creek, and they are a

811
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 4: jungled mess. You can't and there's no really no good

812
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 4: place to even hang a stand in there. It's such

813
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 4: a mess. But he gets in there and he's bedding

814
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 4: along the he's got an old pasture. Well there's cattle

815
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 4: in the pasture, but he puts his back to that

816
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 4: pasture and he's laying was basically his back on the fence.

817
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 4: And you can't you can't really access it except across

818
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 4: the pastures. There's no way to get through the woods

819
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 4: to it. You got to come across the pasture. And

820
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 4: I'll just I'll have to wait till there's an east wind,

821
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 4: or I'll probably I'll probably try to cheat it a

822
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 4: little with the southeast, because I saw what he did

823
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 4: both times last year when he worried betted he in

824
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 4: there with the southeast wind, So that's probably what I'll

825
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 4: wait on. And when I get the right conditions, I'd

826
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 4: like to try to get in there before you know,

827
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 4: the first part of November, before they really started rolle

828
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 4: running around a lot. I try to like to try

829
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 4: to get in everybody. He's pretty consistent staying there. But

830
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 4: this this farm actually waned before I bought it. There

831
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 4: was an older fellow that owned it, and he actually

832
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 4: mowed a trail around the inside rim of that woods

833
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,439
Speaker 4: and it was because he cut firewood, so it gave

834
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 4: him access. It's just like a it looks like a

835
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 4: just a mode trail around this inside perimeter. And he

836
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 4: did it so he could access for firewood. Well he had.

837
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 4: He started letting me hunt years ago, and I noticed

838
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 4: the deer paid no attention to him. I could be

839
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 4: in there in a tree stand and deer paid no

840
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 4: attention to him when he'd come around there on his

841
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 4: John dear side beside. So I bought the farm I

842
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 4: think I was seventeen years ago, and I've continued to

843
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 4: mow that trail for a couple of reasons. I think

844
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 4: it gives deer, especially bucks, they get that they know

845
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 4: where the danger zone is and they know where they're safe,

846
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 4: and they can use that little buffer area that I mow.

847
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 4: They use it as well. I would just it's just

848
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 4: a spot that they know, Hey, this is I can

849
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 4: get from here to here. I feel safe once I

850
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 4: cross this line. I know I may be in danger.

851
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 4: But it also gives me access. That's the big thing.

852
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 4: I've got access in and out of there. I use

853
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 4: an electric bike and it gives me access. I'll go

854
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 4: in and mow it short. I'll pick up all the sticks,

855
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,919
Speaker 4: you know, get all the brush out of the way.

856
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 4: But then I can access it myself. But for this

857
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 4: particular deer, it's probably going to be coming across the pasture.

858
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 4: I'm probably not gonna be using this mode trail. But

859
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 4: I've kept the mode trail up, kept it mode just

860
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 4: because of it had been done for years. And I

861
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 4: noticed the deer they'll walk the trail, but the bucks

862
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 4: normally stay inside it doze. And fawns seem like they'll

863
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 4: walk the they'll walk that trail, but bucks seem to

864
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 4: want to stay on the inside of it. They don't

865
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 4: want to see all the younger ones. You know, they'll

866
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 4: get to it but walk it. But for the most part,

867
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 4: the mature bucks want to stay on the inside of

868
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 4: that trail. And it's kind of something I'd noticed years ago,

869
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 4: and it's just it's the only farm I've got that's

870
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 4: got that mode trail on it. It's not something I

871
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 4: typically do, but it was just there, and I noticed

872
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 4: that they like to mature bucks like to stay inside,

873
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 4: so it does kind of shorten the woods down for

874
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 4: me as far as hunting. But no, I this buck's

875
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 4: just going to I'm gonna have to wait till the

876
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 4: corns out. It's where I can access it good. And

877
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 4: he's he's got a couple of other bucks staying with him.

878
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 4: You know, they'll they'll come in their bed right next

879
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 4: to him. And it's kind of odd that I say,

880
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 4: next to him ten fifteen yards, but they're staying right

881
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 4: in the same spot.

882
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 2: If it weren't for the standing corn, would you have

883
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 2: tried to get in there after him earlier in the season,

884
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 2: or would you wait till that late October time period?

885
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 4: Either way, yeah, I'm probably waiting till late October regardless.

886
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 4: I've tipped well. Of all the bucks I've killed, i've

887
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 4: killed two three. I've killed three in October out of

888
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 4: that whole group. So that tells you I don't live

889
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 4: close to where I hunt. I'm an hour away, so

890
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 4: I don't get that accet. I don't get the evenings

891
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 4: to run out check out the beanfields, you know, an

892
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 4: hour or so at night. I don't have that availability

893
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 4: to me that you know guys that live close to

894
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 4: where they hunt. It's it is handy, it's a lot handier.

895
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 4: But I'm fifty fifty to fifty minutes to an hour

896
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 4: from where I hunt, so I have to I have

897
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 4: to spend some time on the road, so I don't

898
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 4: get that. The early season thing for me is it's

899
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 4: a it's really rolling the dice. I mean, I think

900
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 4: you can run some deer out, you can run some

901
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 4: deer off your property, because it's hard to beat a

902
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 4: deer back to his bed this time of year. I mean,

903
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 4: it's you've got to be in there way early if

904
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 4: you think you're going to beat him to his bed,

905
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 4: and in this heat. I'm just I guess I'm I've

906
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 4: got the time off in November. I've always taken my

907
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 4: time off in November, so obviously that's that's part of

908
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 4: it too. You can only hunt when you can hunt,

909
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 4: but I don't. I don't typically have a buck this one.

910
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 4: This year's kind of a fluke for me because I

911
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 4: don't typically have a buck. I can tell you right

912
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 4: where he's bedding, I can tell you a vicinity, or

913
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 4: I can tell you where he's coming and going from.

914
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 4: But I'm not I'm not close enough there to actually

915
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 4: stay on top of what he's deer always where they're

916
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 4: staying all the time. But and it changes. You know,

917
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 4: you get a buck that you're chasing, he gets killed, Well,

918
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 4: you then you're starting over square one.

919
00:45:54,480 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 2: So I heard your buddy Andrea once tell me that

920
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 2: he hates the rut because it's so hard to get

921
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 2: after a specific buck because they start doing crazy things.

922
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 2: Have you had that same frustration even though that's your

923
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 2: main hunt, or have you found it you're able to

924
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 2: still get after a specific deer that time.

925
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 4: Andre and I we've talked about this a lot. I've

926
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,720
Speaker 4: been friends with Andre since I don't even know, early nineties,

927
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 4: and we talked yesterday.

928
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 3: We talk a lot.

929
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 4: I mean, I talk with him all the time. But

930
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 4: his his method of hunting, his style is not is

931
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 4: not my style. It just never has been. And that's

932
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 4: why I said, there's a lot of ways to skin

933
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 4: a cat. But I'm pretty much a terrain hunter. I mean,

934
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 4: I so the ruts A. I mean, that's what I

935
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 4: can't wait for when these bucks get to move in

936
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 4: and I'm hunting train. I'll be the first to admit

937
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 4: I don't hunt trails. I don't hunt sign Now, well,

938
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 4: there'll be a lot of times I'll hang a stand

939
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 4: and train won't go back to it for two or

940
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 4: three weeks, and you go back and there's rubs and

941
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 4: there's all kinds of signs around you. But I'm pretty

942
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 4: well a travel corridor type hunter. I mean, it's just

943
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 4: basically the whole way I hunt. It's all based on

944
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 4: how the ground lays and pinch points, fingers, draws. I

945
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 4: just that's how I hunt. And I know it's not

946
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 4: the same for everybody obviously, But you know Andre's gotten

947
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 4: he's gotten that perfected on that bumping dump stuff. He's

948
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 4: got that perfected now. He and well Cody does it too.

949
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 4: Those guys can bump stuff, get in, hang stuff, and

950
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 4: get right back on him and kill them. And first

951
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 4: of all, I'm not that aggressive. That's why I mentioned

952
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 4: early on, I'm not an aggressive hunter. And you got

953
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 4: to have some aggression to do that, that style of hunting,

954
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 4: you just got to. And but I also had a

955
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 4: guy tell me one time, what would it take to

956
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 4: run you out of your bedroom? And when you think

957
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 4: of it from my perspective, how many times would you

958
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 4: have to have somebody run you out of your bedroom

959
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 4: before you to actually leave? Yeah, And you know, when

960
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 4: you think of from that perspective, I'm not sure you

961
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 4: can run the mature buck out of his bed. But

962
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 4: I just that's not the way I have. Not my

963
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 4: style of hunting. I just never have been that way.

964
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 4: I'm I'm really a lot more cautious hunter conservative. I

965
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 4: should say, maybe not cautious, but I'm a lot more conservative.

966
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 4: I just I just kind of let things play out.

967
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 4: I always figure that in the end, if I know

968
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 4: where that buck's home poor area is, I'll get him

969
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 4: killed during the rut.

970
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 2: So, in that kind of situation where you're after one

971
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 2: deer and you're hunting mostly terrain and travel corridors, you

972
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: know a lot of guys when they're after one specific deer,

973
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 2: they're going to be analyzing camera photos and sign and

974
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. But in your case, where

975
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 2: it sounds like it's more you know, travel and terrain specific,

976
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 2: is it mostly just identifying? Okay, Well, here's the two

977
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 2: pinch points coming in and out of his main core area,

978
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 2: and I'm just going to volume hunt those based on

979
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 2: wind until he eventually does come through. Or how do

980
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 2: you do that when you're after a deer. It's not

981
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 2: just like you're gonna shoot ten different bucks. You're after

982
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 2: like one buck in the rut.

983
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 4: Right, And I hang way more stands in a year

984
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 4: than most people could imagine. That's one thing. I don't

985
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 4: hunt a stand. I don't go to a stand over

986
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 4: and over and over. I mean I'll hunt a stand three,

987
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 4: four or five times in a season, and that'll be it.

988
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 4: I do a lot of all day sits, a lot

989
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 4: of all day sits, especially during the rut. And for me,

990
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,919
Speaker 4: I probably put in a lot more work or time

991
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 4: in a tree to get a deer killed. And what

992
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 4: some guys do because of what they're they're more aggressive,

993
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 4: and I have to play. I just I'm playing the

994
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 4: game of sit back and wait. You know part of

995
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 4: that is because I like being out there part of us.

996
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 4: In this part of Illinois, you never know what the

997
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 4: neighbor's gonna A deer you don't even know is around

998
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 4: may show up. So yes, I'm after I know, like

999
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 4: I said this year, at two deer, but I'm two

1000
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 4: bucks that I know I'm after. Does that mean I

1001
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 4: may not shoot something I've never seen before. I've done

1002
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 4: it several times. Several times Buck shows up with the

1003
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 4: dough during the rut. You think where did he come from?

1004
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 4: And you can get him killed. But part of that

1005
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 4: too is the fact that he's deer that move. You know,

1006
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 4: they come from a mile away, two miles away. They

1007
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 4: aren't familiar with the dangers in that specific timber. You

1008
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 4: know they're they're coming in there and they're following the

1009
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 4: dough and what she does is what they do. So

1010
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 4: when you're in a travel corridor, you can get them

1011
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 4: killed that way. And I've killed a lot of them,

1012
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 4: I mean a lot. There's not many deer I've killed

1013
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 4: that I don't have any pictures or have never seen before.

1014
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 4: But I've got a handful that you look up here

1015
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 4: they come they where'd that deer come from? But typically

1016
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 4: I know what I'm after, and typically it's a waiting

1017
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 4: game and you're just playing cat and mouse. I'm not

1018
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 4: bumping them, I'm not hanging sets on top of their beds,

1019
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 4: but I typically try to find. Okay, I know this

1020
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 4: buck's going in this vicinity of this woods or this

1021
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:42,720
Speaker 4: this this draw, how's he getting there with certain winds?

1022
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 4: And why is he traveling at the way he does

1023
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 4: with certain winds? And then I try to set up

1024
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 4: accordingly and it's I don't know, it's paid off for

1025
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:57,439
Speaker 4: me through the years. And there's like I said, there's

1026
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 4: just there's several different ways to kill big deer. I mean,

1027
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 4: guys that think it's got to be done a certain way.

1028
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 4: I just kind of chuckle at because my style of

1029
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 4: hunting is no ways near what you know andres Is

1030
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 4: and and Justin those you know, Justin and Heath's heat Cisco,

1031
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 4: those guys, they do a lot of hanging hunt sets,

1032
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:22,439
Speaker 4: bumping deer. I can tell you probably I can count

1033
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 4: on one hand the number of bucks I've set up

1034
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 4: on their beds and killed them. Most of mine have

1035
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 4: all been travel corridors hunting terrain.

1036
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 2: Could could you break down example of one of these

1037
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 2: terrain features that would be a dynamite set during the

1038
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 2: rut or or a trap maybe one of EA's like

1039
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 2: a real terrain type of graphic feature you would love

1040
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 2: to sit and then more of like a cover related

1041
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 2: travel corridor kind of set. What might an example of

1042
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 2: those two look like?

1043
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 4: Okay, I personally, of course, there again, it's a lot

1044
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 4: of us got to do with where I'm hunting. You

1045
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 4: know this the Midwest, I loved long draws out into

1046
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 4: eg fields, something that you can access. First of all,

1047
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 4: I typically never walk far into the woods. Most all

1048
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 4: of my set stuff is and I won't say along

1049
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 4: the edge, but I'm going to say I've I've got

1050
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 4: creek access or I've got some way to access to

1051
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 4: my stand that is not through the woods, minimally evade invasion,

1052
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 4: you know, to to what So I don't like I

1053
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 4: don't like tipping deer off that I'm there, you know,

1054
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,280
Speaker 4: so I try to figure out how can I get here?

1055
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 4: And draws, you know, if you can get in the

1056
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 4: bottom of them, or if you can come in from

1057
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,919
Speaker 4: the sides the bag fields. That's typically I approach all

1058
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 4: of the of those type of situations. But there again,

1059
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 4: I'm hunting, uh train and features in a draw you

1060
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:03,399
Speaker 4: normally got low I don't like low ground, typically never

1061
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:09,280
Speaker 4: hunt low ground myself. Thermals killers as far as spacially evenings.

1062
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 4: But you know, the thermals of a morning. You can

1063
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 4: get by with some low ground stuff, but I just

1064
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 4: I don't hunt it. I mean, i'd be the first

1065
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 4: to tell you I'm I might hunt one one piece

1066
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 4: of low ground in five years. I just don't. Ever,

1067
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 4: I've had such bad luck with thermals and the way bucks.

1068
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 4: Bucks know, they know how the thermals operate. They know

1069
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 4: how to get in and out of places, and that's

1070
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 4: the reason a lot of low ground stuff is, to me,

1071
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 4: is unhuntable. But what I'm what I'm looking for in

1072
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 4: a draw is an area that says is kind of

1073
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 4: like a flat or a flatter part that pinches down.

1074
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 4: And normally it's because of the creek or the way

1075
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 4: they draw a lace where pinches down and deer have

1076
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 4: to make a decision do I go to the bottom

1077
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 4: do I stay on top? And those are the spots

1078
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,879
Speaker 4: I love. I love hunting draws where there's a pinch

1079
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 4: point because they typically you know a deer's gonna draw.

1080
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 4: Are gonna travel a draw basically the way the draw runs.

1081
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 4: They've got to travel at east west, north south. However

1082
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 4: the draw runs, they're gonna travel it lengthwise. So I'm

1083
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 4: looking for a pinch point. And I love a flat

1084
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 4: a flat area that butts up to a pinch point

1085
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 4: and it kind of the the flat areas kind of

1086
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 4: give them a place to uh, to stage, hang out.

1087
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,359
Speaker 4: And then as soon as the buck shows up, it's

1088
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 4: basically during the rut, Well they got it, they're going

1089
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 4: to These deer are gonna go down the draw and

1090
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 4: normally they'll you know, you let all of those go

1091
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 4: by or the smaller bucks and next thing you know,

1092
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 4: well here comes a you know, a decent buck. But

1093
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 4: ends of draws points on draws. If you get a

1094
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 4: draw that goes out and forks, you know, you'll have

1095
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 4: like a two small one big draw forks into two

1096
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 4: smaller draws. Yeah, those areas. I like to hunt those

1097
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 4: points and I like to be on the very tips

1098
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 4: of them, the very ends of them. And it's a

1099
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 4: tough one as far as wind, because wind can swirl

1100
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 4: around those points and it'll suck it back into the draw.

1101
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 4: So you've got to be careful on those points. You

1102
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 4: got to pay a lot of times. I'll be able

1103
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 4: to hunt a point, and it's got to be a

1104
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 4: northwest wind. It can't be north, can't be west. It's

1105
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 4: got to be northwest. And something I would something I

1106
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 4: would really advise people to do. Guys get up in

1107
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,280
Speaker 4: their stands and they hang a set, take your phone

1108
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 4: in with you, make sure your phone's with you. Sit

1109
00:56:55,400 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 4: in that tree and get a good compass app get

1110
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 4: the compass up and know exactly what dration direction you're facing.

1111
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,479
Speaker 4: I don't know how many times. And I've got a ground.

1112
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 4: I've hunted this one farm, I've hundred for over forty years.

1113
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 4: And you can sit in that tree and you know

1114
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 4: which way's north southeast. You just know which way it is.

1115
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 4: You push your compass up and you think, man, that's

1116
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 4: a quarter turn off or or a little less you know.

1117
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 4: And so then you think, okay, well I can't use

1118
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 4: straight north. I've got to have northeast or northwest or whatever.

1119
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 4: But take a compass to your tree. And I've talked

1120
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 4: with some guys that are I mean some through the

1121
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 4: years we've got killed big deer, and everybody's pretty well,

1122
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 4: everybody's been in agreement, you know. I don't know if

1123
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 4: you know Jim Ward. Jim does a ton of deer

1124
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 4: management for buck beds and killing big deer. Yeah, and

1125
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 4: Jim and I had this conversation years ago, and he's

1126
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 4: the same way. He's like, Yeah, you go to a

1127
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 4: tree and you think, I know that's north, and you

1128
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 4: know what, you might be a little bit off and

1129
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 4: you can't hunt a north wind. You've got to have

1130
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 4: a little west or little east. Take your compass with

1131
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 4: you and your phone so you know what direction, what

1132
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 4: winds you need, because it's too late when you get

1133
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 4: there the first hunt and you're getting busted left and right.

1134
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 4: It's too late. Yeah, so now you've already boogered up

1135
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 4: a set that you had high hopes on. So but

1136
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 4: I love hunting points, draws, saddles, ridges halfway down the ridge.

1137
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 4: It's seldom in this area do I see bucks run

1138
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 4: the top of a ridge. They're a third or halfway

1139
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 4: down the ridge. They just travel the backside of it.

1140
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 4: According to the wind. Of course, you know you've got

1141
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 4: to got a north wind. They're probably going to be

1142
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 4: on the south side of the ridge. And I've just

1143
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 4: I've also got a kind of an odd thing. I'll

1144
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 4: tell you that through the years, I've noticed if you

1145
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 4: pick out the biggest tree in the woods, if you're

1146
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 4: in the woods, you're looking around, you see one of

1147
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 4: those giant white oaks or a giant giant tree of

1148
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 4: some sort. It seems like, and this is strange, people

1149
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 4: call me crazy, but I swear those huge trees attract

1150
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 4: the mature bucks. I don't know what it is, but

1151
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 4: it looks like, year after year, if I got a

1152
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 4: big tree in the woods, sure buck will go buy

1153
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 4: it every time. And I don't know what it is.

1154
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 4: You can't hunt the tree, obviously, they're too big to

1155
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 4: even put a stand in. But right I'm I'm strictly

1156
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 4: I say, ninety nine percent of the time, I'm hunting

1157
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 4: train train pinch points. And I got a buddy I've

1158
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 4: hunted with for years, and he always asked me, so,

1159
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 4: why do you want to be right here? I mean,

1160
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 4: he's asked me for years, and I get a feel,

1161
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 4: you know, it's it's kind of hard to explain sometimes,

1162
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 4: but you get a feel for where you're at and

1163
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 4: what you think a big deer is gonna do. And

1164
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 4: with a certain wind, what's he going to do? Now

1165
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 4: you'll get you're gonna get fooled. You're gonna you're gonna

1166
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 4: get in there and think you know what you're talking,

1167
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 4: you're doing, and what you're talking about, you're gonna get fooled.

1168
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 4: Deer's gonna do just the opposite. Wind's going to be

1169
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 4: at his back. He's gonna be hunt traveling thing. You

1170
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 4: can't you shake your head, think, well, how do you

1171
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:57,439
Speaker 4: kill that deer the winter? He's not doing anything close

1172
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,080
Speaker 4: to what you think he should have done. But for

1173
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 4: the most part, mature bucks are going to travel either

1174
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 4: with a cross wind or the wind in their nose.

1175
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 4: They just do. And when you get in a draw,

1176
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 4: you know, these big timbers, these big woods are hard

1177
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 4: to shut. You're hard to shut a deer down. I mean,

1178
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 4: they can go anywhere. And part of the reason I

1179
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 4: don't like to hunt big woods is because of that.

1180
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 4: I'll I'll go find something, the smaller something leads up

1181
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 4: to it a fence row, but I I don't. I

1182
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 4: just don't like the bigger timber. I like the smaller stuff.

1183
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 4: I love hunting five ten acre patches. But you got it.

1184
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 4: Details That's a big thing on these, especially on smaller timbers.

1185
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 4: You gotta you gotta pay attention to details. And you

1186
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 4: can't just go stomping in with any wind. You know,

1187
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 4: you just run the set one or two hunts, you're done,

1188
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 4: you know. But boy, if you pay attention to the

1189
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 4: details and you can get into these small area is

1190
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:04,919
Speaker 4: small wood lots, uh fence rose out in the middle

1191
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 4: of nowhere. If you can get into them right win

1192
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 4: right conditions, they can be dynamite for killing mature bucks.

1193
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 2: Yes, So during the rut, I actually.

1194
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 4: Wish I was good or knew more about And I

1195
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 4: don't say no more about, but I just wish I

1196
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 4: was better at what those guys do as far as

1197
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 4: bumping big deer setting up on them, because I'm that's

1198
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 4: just not my game, never has been.

1199
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. So so with your style of honey, I'll jump

1200
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 2: on him again. Yeah. The the style of hunting that

1201
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 2: you do, then, which is this terrain focus in the rut,

1202
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 2: poses a couple of interesting questions. If so much of

1203
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 2: your hunting is dependent on, you know, being on those

1204
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 2: travel corridors. There's this dilemma that I face a lot

1205
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 2: when I'm trying to figure out the right spot to

1206
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 2: sit in a good looking travel quarter, because there will

1207
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 2: be the pinch point or there there will be the saddle,

1208
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 2: there'll be that head of a draw where they're all

1209
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 2: coming around the ditch. Whatever, it is, And let's say

1210
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 2: that looks great and it's obvious, so that's the spot.

1211
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 2: But what happens when you don't have that perfect tree

1212
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 2: that's perfectly in range of that spot?

1213
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 4: Right?

1214
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 2: I often will sit there and I'll be sitting there

1215
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 2: trying to pick the tree, and I'll think, well, this

1216
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 2: is the tree that gives me the best shot at

1217
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 2: the twenty yards or whatever to that little crossing or

1218
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 2: whatever it is that I'm hunting. So do you pick

1219
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 2: the tree that's in the perfect location. But let's say

1220
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 2: that tree has no good cover, and maybe there's also

1221
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 2: like a secondary trail down wind of it too, so

1222
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 2: you're risking maybe getting winded a little bit more and

1223
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 2: you're not gonna have much cover. Do you take that

1224
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 2: one still, though, because it gives you the easiest shot

1225
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 2: right to the spot. Or do you take the tree

1226
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 2: that's farther away but it has great cover and there's

1227
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 2: no way you're gonna get winded. But now you're talking, ah,

1228
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 2: you know, well he might be arranged, he might not

1229
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 2: be in ranged in that one. What would you air

1230
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 2: towards in that kind of situation?

1231
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 4: Well, I'm gonna you probably think this is too easy

1232
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 4: But what I would do in that situation is, like

1233
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 4: I talked earlier, that deer's going by a thousand trees

1234
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 4: when he walks that, or a hundred trees, whatever it

1235
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 4: is in that draw, go figure out where's a better

1236
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 4: location to cut him off. And that's typically I mean

1237
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 4: I can spend and I don't mean this, I mean

1238
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 4: hours I can spend on one setup trying to figure out. Okay,

1239
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 4: And I always tell everybody pay attention to how you

1240
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 4: walk personally, when you're walking a draw or you're walking ground,

1241
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 4: pay attention how you walk it. Humans are lazy. Mature

1242
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 4: bucks are dang sure lazy. You're gonna probably walk that

1243
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 4: similar to how mature buck walks that because they don't

1244
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 4: want to go up and down the hill five times

1245
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 4: if they don't have to. They don't want to cross

1246
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 4: the fence. They don't want to you know, these features

1247
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 4: in this ground. They want to walk the easiest way

1248
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 4: they can, but they want to walk it for darn sure,

1249
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 4: with the wind in their favor if they can. So

1250
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 4: I would on what you do the scenary you just said,

1251
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 4: I would probably say, Okay, can't hunt there, but let's

1252
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 4: go down there. Let's go where this buck come from?

1253
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 4: Where's he coming from? Let's go figure out another place

1254
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 4: that you can. You can shut him down. And like

1255
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 4: I said, I've spent hours and got I told you

1256
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 4: I got this one farm. I've hundred forty years and

1257
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,919
Speaker 4: two years ago, this draw that I've hunted, I've killed

1258
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 4: probably a handful of one to fifty plus bucks in

1259
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 4: this one draw. Thought that the east end of this draw,

1260
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 4: I thought there's no way to get to it, no

1261
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 4: way to hunt. Just thought. I mean, I just never

1262
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 4: even really tried because I just thought it was unhunted.

1263
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 4: I thought, I'm just going to be blowing everything out

1264
01:04:56,680 --> 01:05:00,080
Speaker 4: of here. There's no way to get to it. So

1265
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 4: three or four years ago, I'm standing in there in

1266
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 4: February March, and I'm looking at all these rubs in

1267
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 4: this little flat and I'm thinking to myself, how can

1268
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 4: I get in here? Okay, And there's an old logging

1269
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 4: road that's been in there for I don't know, probably

1270
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 4: been there thirty years now on the other side of

1271
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 4: the draw. So now I've made up my mind. I'm

1272
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 4: gonna walk across this draw to get up to this flat.

1273
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 4: I'm gonna come up this It's it's not really a bluff,

1274
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 4: but it's a real high, real high hill. I'm gonna

1275
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 4: go straight up this hill into my tree. I'm five

1276
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 4: steps off the edge of this this flat. It's been

1277
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 4: a dynamite tree. It's just And in all those years,

1278
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:42,919
Speaker 4: I thought there's no way to hunt it. Well, there's

1279
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 4: there's ways to hunt things, you kind of you know.

1280
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 4: And I think the longer you hunt a woods, the

1281
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 4: worst hunter you become, because you've had success in here, here,

1282
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 4: and here, and you keep going back to that here,

1283
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 4: here and here. Well, dear change, of course, they get

1284
01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 4: you patterned as well. So I moved to stand put

1285
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:06,439
Speaker 4: a hung and stand in there. And I first time

1286
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 4: I went in there had three different bucks over one

1287
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 4: forty come by me. I thought, you've got to be

1288
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 4: a kidding. I've never hunted this all these years because

1289
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 4: I thought it was unhuntable. And here we are in

1290
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 4: the rut and they're just they're just piling through here.

1291
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 4: And last year was the second year I hunted it,

1292
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 4: saying I've not killed a buck out of it, but

1293
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 4: I will kill them. I'll kill a good one on

1294
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 4: this on this spot. And I had probably I don't know,

1295
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 4: I had one day, I had eight different bucks by

1296
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 4: me hoping young none of them none of them probably

1297
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 4: were one forty. But eventually it'll pay off. But yeah,

1298
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 4: I just I look at an area and if I think, man,

1299
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 4: I can't I can't hunt here, back up, walk down

1300
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 4: the draw, go go. You know, it's the same deal

1301
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 4: that deer is going to get from point A to

1302
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 4: point B somehow. And if you think, well, this is

1303
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 4: where I want to be, you may be making a mistake.

1304
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:00,080
Speaker 4: Don't be where you want to be, be where you

1305
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 4: have to be. I mean, that's that's pretty well the

1306
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 4: way I approach it. It's like, man, I'd love to

1307
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 4: be here, and you look around, no tree to huntin. Man,

1308
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 4: I'd love to be here, but you'd walk away, head

1309
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 4: down the draw one way or the other, or find it,

1310
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 4: you know, find another spot. Yeah, I know, I know

1311
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 4: that almost too simple, but it's that's just the way

1312
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 4: I approach it as far as.

1313
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 2: No, that's a great point. The other part of that equation, though,

1314
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 2: is the wind, right And you mentioned a little bit ago,

1315
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 2: how you know that there's certain things that we think

1316
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 2: a buck's going to do with the wind, and then

1317
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 2: sometimes they surprise us. But usually the buck's going to

1318
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 2: be trying to use that wind to his advantage when

1319
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 2: he's traveling, maybe with it his face or crosswind or

1320
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 2: something like that. So with that being said, a lot

1321
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 2: of folks I know, and myself included, will try to

1322
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 2: find ways to set up, you know, where you can

1323
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 2: hunt where the buck thinks he's using the wind in

1324
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 2: a favorable way for himself, but also you can get

1325
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 2: away with it right cutting the edge or cutting the

1326
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 2: corner or in some kind of way. Can you talk

1327
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 2: about how you do that in these kinds of setups,

1328
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 2: in these kinds of like draws that you're hunting, how

1329
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 2: do you typically like to hunt that? Is it with

1330
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 2: the wind going perpendicular across the draw or do you

1331
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 2: have it almost parallel but just off parallel so it's

1332
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 2: blowing either down into the valley or out into the field.

1333
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 2: How do you typically try to set up and use

1334
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 2: wind in this kind of draw scenario where we've got

1335
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 2: a narrow finger going out into a field or something,

1336
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 2: and you're hunting in there.

1337
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 4: Here it in central Illinois, We've you got about everywhere

1338
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 4: you hunt, you've got aag fields. So I'm typically letting

1339
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:45,839
Speaker 4: my scent blow to the ag fields of a morning.

1340
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 4: And if I've got a situation where I think a

1341
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 4: deer's traveling maybe the edge of a morning, I'll try

1342
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 4: to set up to where the winds over the top

1343
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 4: of him. Typically in the morning setups, the bucks will

1344
01:08:57,479 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 4: walk the edges. You know, they won't walk out on

1345
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 4: the out in the middle of the field. You know

1346
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 4: where they're going to wind you. But if you can

1347
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 4: get the wind over the top of them, it's a

1348
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 4: big it's that's that's one thing I try to do.

1349
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:11,799
Speaker 4: If I think, Okay, this buck may come along this edge,

1350
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 4: I'll try to get high enough that the wind's over

1351
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 4: the top of.

1352
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 2: Him, blowing out over top of him, but blowing out

1353
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 2: towards the field, so you're into the timber little ways

1354
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 2: and it's blowing above him out.

1355
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 4: Yes, into the bag fields. Yes, yep, I'm blowing my

1356
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 4: sin into the bag field, you know, fifty seventy five

1357
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:30,599
Speaker 4: yards off the edge. Try to get over the top

1358
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 4: of something. Typically in a draw when you've got crosswinds,

1359
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:38,639
Speaker 4: which is what you terribly have to hunt. It's hard

1360
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 4: to hunt a draw with a wind going up and

1361
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 4: down it obviously, yeah, but typically you're dealing with you're

1362
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 4: dealing with a cross wind in a draw. You've got

1363
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 4: to hunt it with a north, south, east west, depending

1364
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 4: which way the draw is running, and I'll try to

1365
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 4: set up to wear the wind. And it's another It's

1366
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 4: another good scenario is when you've got this cross wind

1367
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:00,719
Speaker 4: and you've got this this creek or all that's running

1368
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 4: east west and you're gonna hunt on the say, the

1369
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 4: north side of the draw, so you're gonna want a

1370
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:10,720
Speaker 4: south wind. And as that south wind comes across that

1371
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,639
Speaker 4: low ground, a lot of times the wind will pick up,

1372
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 4: it'll lift. It's the thermals it'll lift of a morning.

1373
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 4: So it actually helps you as well, get the get

1374
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 4: the scent a little higher over the top of stuff.

1375
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 4: But I'll typically look for this spot that has a

1376
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:32,599
Speaker 4: piece of the a piece of the draw that jets

1377
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 4: out into a field just and I don't it doesn't

1378
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 4: have to be five yards, you know, just along you edge,

1379
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 4: something that jets out and set up on that set

1380
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 4: up to where you're not really in the main travel

1381
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 4: area of that draw. Just get get away from and

1382
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 4: I'm in the I know, I'm When you get into

1383
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 4: some of these situations, you think, well, yeah, they're that's

1384
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 4: one of a needle in a haystack. Well, it may

1385
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 4: be you may you may walk a whole draw and think, well,

1386
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 4: there's nothing here that interests me. Does that mean you

1387
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 4: can't kill a buck in it. No, it just means

1388
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 4: it's not an ideal situation or an ideal setup. But

1389
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 4: back to your point on the on the wind, Fellip

1390
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 4: told me one time years ago, the perfect wind is

1391
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:21,719
Speaker 4: one that's almost right for the deer and almost wrong

1392
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 4: for you. And when you think about that, you think,

1393
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 4: and that's that is so true. It's almost you know,

1394
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 4: you're just you're constantly playing that win game and you're

1395
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 4: constantly cutting you know, situations that are it's always a

1396
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:42,679
Speaker 4: close call. I mean, it just is. But I square timber.

1397
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:46,640
Speaker 4: I'll tell guys this, square timber, I like to be

1398
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 4: fifty seventy five yards off of a corner. If you've

1399
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 4: got a square corner, get fifty to seventy five yards

1400
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 4: off of the corner and hunt it with a wind

1401
01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:02,760
Speaker 4: that don't I don't like a quartering wind when I'm

1402
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 4: hunting a square woods on a corner, because what will

1403
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:09,560
Speaker 4: typically happen is the wind will come through and it'll

1404
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 4: on that corner. That wind will suck right back into

1405
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 4: that corner. Every time. If you've got like a say

1406
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 4: you're on a north end of the woods, fifty seventy

1407
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 4: five yards from the east side, and you think, okay,

1408
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 4: I need to have a south wind here, but I

1409
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 4: could probably get by with say a southwest. Well that's

1410
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 4: that west will be enough for that wind to come

1411
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 4: out to the corner and it'll suck it right back

1412
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 4: in that corner. I don't know how many times I've

1413
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:38,760
Speaker 4: seen that happen. And after you do it two or

1414
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 4: three times and you get winded to think, well, this

1415
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 4: doesn't work. Typically, I tell guys, you know, on a

1416
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 4: square woods and not not every wood's lays directly east

1417
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:50,599
Speaker 4: or west, north and south. But I want to direct

1418
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:53,799
Speaker 4: straight wind in my face when I'm hunting square woods,

1419
01:12:53,800 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 4: because it will suck it back in the corners. I mean,

1420
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 4: there's a lot, there's a lot of experience that goes

1421
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 4: in to wind and thermals when you're hunting. You just

1422
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 4: it's I can you know you say this like you've

1423
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:15,640
Speaker 4: you've got this figured out, but I can tell you

1424
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 4: many times you that I've gotten busted, you know, thinking

1425
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 4: you had it figured out and that didn't work. Well,

1426
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 4: guess what, start over and learn. Just learn from it,

1427
01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:30,639
Speaker 4: you gotta. It's a a lot of experience goes into

1428
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 4: killing mature bucks. As far as you know, you learn

1429
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 4: from your bad experiences more than you do the good ones.

1430
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 4: If this works perfect, let's figure out why it works.

1431
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just going to ask, is there anything

1432
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 2: you've found that has provided you a safety net for

1433
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:53,680
Speaker 2: when the wind goes wrong? Do you do you have

1434
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 2: anything control program to try to help you out in

1435
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 2: that kind of position? Do you have any cover cent,

1436
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 2: any anything that's helped you out or is it one

1437
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 2: hundred percent just got to make the wind work?

1438
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 4: You know, I'm I don't know, maybe I'm too hard

1439
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,520
Speaker 4: headed on this, but I've got friends that use ozonics.

1440
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 4: I've got friends that use that whatever the charcoal clothing,

1441
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 4: and and every one of them will tell you, yeah,

1442
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 4: I got busted. I've got a two guys I know

1443
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 4: that used two ozonic center tree. Well, like, there got

1444
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 4: out there and you know, in the field in the evening,

1445
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 4: and there's a bunch of dos out there feeding and

1446
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:34,640
Speaker 4: here comes the you know, here comes a buck. They

1447
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 4: want to shoot well, they all the field scattered and

1448
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 4: something picked them off. I'm thinking, I don't think there's

1449
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 4: any shortcuts. I don't think you're beating the deer's nose.

1450
01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:45,639
Speaker 4: I don't care what you do or what you try.

1451
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 4: People say, well, he was directly down wind of me.

1452
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 4: He may have been directly downwind, but that's not where

1453
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 4: your scent was going. Your scent was going somewhere else,

1454
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 4: either from the thermals, from you know, swirling winds, from

1455
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:02,639
Speaker 4: the from the terrain. Something changed the way you think

1456
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:05,599
Speaker 4: your your scent was going. Something was changing it before

1457
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 4: it got there. A deer doesn't just stand there with

1458
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 4: your scent blowing right to him. I mean, it's just

1459
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 4: not going to happen. So guys say, well, every directly

1460
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 4: down when they didn't smell me. Well, they may have

1461
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 4: been what you think is directly down when, but that's

1462
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:21,599
Speaker 4: not that's not where your scent was actually going. Because

1463
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 4: I don't think there's anything you can do to beat

1464
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 4: the deer's nose. I just don't. I don't think you

1465
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 4: can do it. I mean, if a dog can smell

1466
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:30,799
Speaker 4: stuff the way that you know, you've seen all these studies,

1467
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 4: these dogs pick up stuff it's buried. They pick up

1468
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 4: all this scent and a deers knows what a thousand

1469
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 4: times better than a human's or something, and it's what.

1470
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 4: I don't think you can beat it. I just think

1471
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 4: you're going to have trial and error. Certain places you

1472
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 4: think you can hunt. You it works in certain places

1473
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:49,439
Speaker 4: you think you can hunt, it's not going to work,

1474
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 4: but it's experience is huge. In the woods on that

1475
01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 4: thermals and wind.

1476
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:01,639
Speaker 2: You mentioned trying to sometimes blow your wind over top

1477
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 2: of him to do that, Are you trying to get

1478
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:08,600
Speaker 2: to a certain height in the tree usually to be

1479
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 2: able to get away with that sometimes? If so, what's

1480
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 2: that height you like to try to get up at.

1481
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 4: I have hunted, and I've hunted from six feet off

1482
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 4: the ground to twenty five twenty seven feet seldom get

1483
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:25,880
Speaker 4: over twenty to twenty two feet normally is and I'm

1484
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 4: talking actual measured feet. Guys say they hunt thirty feet

1485
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:30,559
Speaker 4: and I look at the tree and I'm like, yeah,

1486
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 4: you're about twenty feet, you know, but actual measured twenty

1487
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:38,000
Speaker 4: to twenty two feet is plenty high enough if you're

1488
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 4: on the edge of a field to get the scent

1489
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 4: over the top of them. I shot a buck last year.

1490
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 4: The buck I killed last year sent right over the

1491
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 4: top of him. He walked the edge and sam sort

1492
01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:51,639
Speaker 4: of the top of him. But it was a spot

1493
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:53,680
Speaker 4: that I've hunded for years. I knew, I'm pretty well

1494
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 4: knew that. You know, I'd get by with it. But

1495
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 4: twenty feet, you know, twenty feet is pretty high.

1496
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, can you can you break down that location you

1497
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:07,600
Speaker 2: killed that buck at last year? So it sounds like

1498
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:09,280
Speaker 2: you're in the edge of some kind of field. But

1499
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 2: why was that buck there? How did you set up

1500
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 2: on that and why did he come through the way

1501
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 2: he thought he would?

1502
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 5: This?

1503
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 4: And this is another case if I when I told

1504
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 4: you earlier this buck, no, I have no past knowledge

1505
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 4: of this deer. I didn't even know he existed. It's

1506
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 4: a small wood lot, it might be fifteen acres total,

1507
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:33,679
Speaker 4: and it's a square It is a square corner where

1508
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 4: I'm hunting, and I'm about I'm going to say on

1509
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 4: this one, I'm probably seventy five yards south of the

1510
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 4: north corner, on the east side of the woods. And

1511
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 4: these bucks. Of course, I've hundred for years, hundred since

1512
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 4: I was in high school, so I've kind of got

1513
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:54,560
Speaker 4: the you know, you got a pretty good knowledge of

1514
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 4: the woods. But these bucks like to take this corner.

1515
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 4: They like to make a loop in this corner. They

1516
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:01,680
Speaker 4: don't go clear into the corner. They want to make

1517
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 4: a loop. They don't square it off. They'll round off corners.

1518
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 4: So as they round off these corners. You know, that's

1519
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 4: the reason I say, don't get on, don't stay on

1520
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 4: the corners. You got to get off seventy five yards

1521
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:15,600
Speaker 4: off of the corner. Because a buck won't go to

1522
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 4: the corner and turn left and right, makes square corners.

1523
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:22,479
Speaker 4: They round off corners. And he was in there by himself.

1524
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:25,679
Speaker 4: I don't know. It was ten, ten fifteen in the morning.

1525
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:28,760
Speaker 4: I look up and here he comes walking making his

1526
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 4: loop through the woods. And it's during the rud It's

1527
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:34,360
Speaker 4: the sixteenth, seventeenth of November, and he's out cruising. You know,

1528
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 4: he's lost. He's turned his last dough loose, and he's

1529
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 4: out looking for another dough. And he rounds the corner

1530
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:44,639
Speaker 4: and comes walking right to me. I mean he's oh,

1531
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:46,679
Speaker 4: you can see in the video of it. He gets

1532
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:49,680
Speaker 4: within I must say, twenty yards of me facing me,

1533
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 4: coming right. I mean he's coming right at man it's

1534
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 4: not a very good situation. And he cuts for a

1535
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 4: doe had walked through that morning. He cuts a track,

1536
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 4: he turns broadside. I can't even shoot him. Same thing

1537
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:02,759
Speaker 4: walks and he goes to the outside of the woods.

1538
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 4: And as soon as he goes the outside, he turns

1539
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 4: and walks right down the outside edge. But there's not

1540
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:12,879
Speaker 4: if you if if I took you in that woods

1541
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 4: and you saw the sign in that woods where I'm

1542
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 4: sitting is you would never you would never sit there.

1543
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 4: But experience, you know, knowing the woods tells you know

1544
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 4: you you can learn a lot if you just pay

1545
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 4: attention and carry it over year to year. How did

1546
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 4: it buck? How I saw mature buck in hear whatever

1547
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:36,639
Speaker 4: he was, how did he walk the woods? How did

1548
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:40,720
Speaker 4: he cover it? What was the wind? And keep just

1549
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:43,719
Speaker 4: keep the keep that memory bank, and just keep keep

1550
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 4: remembering that stuff that hey, this is how he traveled

1551
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 4: this woods. Does it make sense? It may not make

1552
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 4: sense to you. You may think, well, it's crazy. Guess what.

1553
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 4: The next year you set up in there where you're

1554
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 4: going to kill that first buck. Here comes the next

1555
01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 4: one the next year and he's doing to do the

1556
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:00,640
Speaker 4: same thing. And you think why is he doing this

1557
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 4: or why do they do this? But I've been pretty

1558
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 4: pretty successful being a conservative hunter, so that's you know,

1559
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 4: guys do what works for them. Yeah, And I've just

1560
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:20,720
Speaker 4: been successful being conservative and laying back and letting things

1561
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:25,680
Speaker 4: play out more so than being aggressive. So there is

1562
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 4: times I killed deer that I don't know anything about.

1563
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 4: But for the most.

1564
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:34,559
Speaker 2: Part, but that approach, does or do trial cameras factor

1565
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 2: in at all for you? I mean, it seems like

1566
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 2: you're when you're depending on these train features. It's not

1567
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 2: like you're chasing a deer all over the place. You're

1568
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 2: just waiting for that deer to come through the pipe? Right?

1569
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 2: Do you lean much on cameras or not so much?

1570
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 4: Yeah? I do. I use the cameras strictly for inventory. Okay,

1571
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 4: you know, once you and I got a bunch of

1572
01:20:57,400 --> 01:21:00,560
Speaker 4: cell cameras and I run probably too many of them,

1573
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 4: and there's a lot of us, so I don't have

1574
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 4: to go check them, so there's no intrusion. You know,

1575
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 4: you just hang a camera and you don't go back

1576
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:10,160
Speaker 4: till the batteries are dead. But and part of it's

1577
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:11,800
Speaker 4: because I'm an hour away from where I hunt. But

1578
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 4: I use a lot of my camera stuff is strictly

1579
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 4: for inventory. Is there a buck on this farm that

1580
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 4: I want to chase? Some years there's not, And don't

1581
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:26,480
Speaker 4: waste your time. Now. Do cameras tell the whole story? No,

1582
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:28,840
Speaker 4: not at all, not at all. I mean I had

1583
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:30,639
Speaker 4: I had two cell cameras, and this's what I'm telling

1584
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 4: you about. This buck never been on them. So no

1585
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 4: deer can get mature bucks specially can get by cell

1586
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 4: cameras or any camera. And you never they've walked ten

1587
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 4: yards behind the tree or whatever. You don't even know

1588
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:49,040
Speaker 4: they're around. But community scrapes, especially long edges, I love

1589
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:51,719
Speaker 4: those For cell cameras. It just gives you an inventory

1590
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:54,880
Speaker 4: of what's there, and then I make my decisions on

1591
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 4: how am I going to hunt this piece. If I

1592
01:21:57,160 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 4: know there's a kill a buck I want to kill,

1593
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:04,640
Speaker 4: then I just you know, part of it. And I

1594
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 4: get and I know the guy is going to say, well,

1595
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:08,760
Speaker 4: you know what, I don't have unlimited acreage to just

1596
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 4: to hunt every year, and I get that. I'm fortunate.

1597
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 4: I've got half a dozen different farms that I hunt,

1598
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,719
Speaker 4: so I can bounce around. If you don't have anything

1599
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 4: to kill go to a different farm, you know, find hunt,

1600
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 4: hunt where you've got something you want to shoot and there. Again,

1601
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:29,759
Speaker 4: that sounds simple and easy, but don't waste your time

1602
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 4: somewhere that there's not something you want to shoot. But yes,

1603
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 4: I use cell cameras, I use I use a lot

1604
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:40,520
Speaker 4: of them, and and I I just use it for inventory,

1605
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 4: you know, to so I just so I know what

1606
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:45,880
Speaker 4: farm I to avoid or what farm I want to hunt.

1607
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:50,679
Speaker 2: Yees. So if you get a picture of the buck

1608
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:53,640
Speaker 2: you're after, or one of the bucks you're after, you know,

1609
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 2: showing up Dave yesterday, let's say, will you ever chase

1610
01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:00,160
Speaker 2: that picture? Will you ever say? All right, well he

1611
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 2: was in that funnel yesterday, I should go spend some

1612
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 2: time there or are you too late at that point?

1613
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:06,559
Speaker 2: And it doesn't really matter.

1614
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 4: Well, see, that's the problem with the way I hunt.

1615
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:14,840
Speaker 4: That is one drawback is typically I'm hunting the rut.

1616
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 4: So just because you saw him there yesterday at ten

1617
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 4: o'clock in the morning, no, will I go set up

1618
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 4: there to the next day at ten o'clock in the

1619
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:25,639
Speaker 4: morning to try to kill that specific Now Number one,

1620
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 4: if the wind's right, I might go in there the

1621
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:31,920
Speaker 4: next day but typically you're chasing your tail at that point.

1622
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 4: And that's the reason Andre doesn't. You know, these guys

1623
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 4: that are trying to kill a specific buck on their bed,

1624
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:39,160
Speaker 4: that's the reason they don't like. It's because there's no

1625
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:43,320
Speaker 4: consistency to what that buck's doing. But that's what I'm

1626
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:52,960
Speaker 4: banking on, is the inconsistent movement of mature deer. I'm

1627
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 4: banking on, you know, that buck's going to come through

1628
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:00,160
Speaker 4: the certain corridor that I'm hunting, or the set up

1629
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 4: that I'm hunting. I'm banking on if I'm there for

1630
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:04,559
Speaker 4: two days, I'm banking on he's coming through there at

1631
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 4: some point. You know, if I sit all day for

1632
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 4: two days during the ret he's coming through unless he's

1633
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 4: you know, unless he's pinned down with another dough or something.

1634
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 4: But I'm banking on if he's moving, he's coming through here.

1635
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:18,559
Speaker 4: It doesn't always, it doesn't always pan out, but you're

1636
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 4: only looking for you know, in a year's time, you're

1637
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 4: only looking for two times. You got to be in

1638
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 4: the right spot, yeah, and things have got to go right,

1639
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 4: of course, you know, you still have to make the shot.

1640
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 4: But for the most part, I'm banking on that deer's

1641
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 4: coming through here when he's out cruising, he's coming through

1642
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 4: here at some point. You know, in a couple of days,

1643
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:45,640
Speaker 4: I'll get him killed. But doesn't always work, But need

1644
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:46,959
Speaker 4: to setting up on the deads.

1645
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:50,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Is that usually what you do when it comes

1646
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 2: to assuming the wind works when you're hunting these train

1647
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 2: features where you are depending on you know he's going

1648
01:24:57,080 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 2: to come through eventually. Do you usually try to do

1649
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:02,519
Speaker 2: two days at a time to give that window of

1650
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:04,800
Speaker 2: opportunity or three days at a time. Is there a

1651
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:08,360
Speaker 2: typical number of or number of hours or days where

1652
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:11,519
Speaker 2: you will sit a great location like that, assuming the

1653
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 2: winds are.

1654
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:15,000
Speaker 4: Right, Assuming the wind's right, you don't get it, you know,

1655
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:16,599
Speaker 4: if the wind doesn't change for a day or two,

1656
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:18,519
Speaker 4: which sometimes that's the way it is around you, we

1657
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 4: might get four or five days in a row the

1658
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 4: same wind. But I don't typically hunt more than two

1659
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:27,800
Speaker 4: days in one spot. But my first day, normally, if

1660
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:31,240
Speaker 4: I go to a spot, they'll tell me a lot

1661
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 4: of whether I'm coming back the next day or not.

1662
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 4: If I go to a spot like that. And let's

1663
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:38,479
Speaker 4: say I go there and I sit all day and

1664
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 4: I don't see hardly anything, and I know, I know

1665
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:46,679
Speaker 4: during the rut it's a dynamite spot. I've been there before,

1666
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 4: I've seen them come through here. You know it's I'm

1667
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:51,559
Speaker 4: going back the next day because I know the odds

1668
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:53,360
Speaker 4: are in my favor. It's going to pay off at

1669
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:55,559
Speaker 4: some point. And if you don't see anything one day,

1670
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 4: you can about bet the deer just weren't on that

1671
01:25:57,240 --> 01:26:00,559
Speaker 4: part of the farm. Uh, you're the next day they'll

1672
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 4: you'll probably you'll probably have a better day. But I don't.

1673
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:08,280
Speaker 4: I don't like to hunt a spot more than two

1674
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 4: days in a row. I'm normally bouncing, bouncing around, okay,

1675
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:16,679
Speaker 4: and I normally have I'll have normally twenty five sets hanging.

1676
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:19,759
Speaker 4: By the time the rut gets here, I'll have twenty

1677
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:24,320
Speaker 4: five stands out, twenty two, twenty three, twenty five, somewhere

1678
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:28,799
Speaker 4: in that range most every year. And and then if

1679
01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:31,679
Speaker 4: you know, you get something where you're chasing a buck

1680
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 4: that you don't have any sets as you think you

1681
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 4: can kill him. It's hanging hunt, climbing stand or hanging hunt.

1682
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:39,559
Speaker 4: You know, I don't. I don't mind doing it. If

1683
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:41,360
Speaker 4: I'm after a certain buck in a certain area and

1684
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:42,840
Speaker 4: I think I can't get him killed out of all

1685
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:48,680
Speaker 4: my presets, but I I do typically hunt presets stands.

1686
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 2: So so back to kind of that decision of which

1687
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:56,519
Speaker 2: of those places to hunt. Yeah, I know we've talked

1688
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 2: about like there'll be a buck here after you kind

1689
01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 2: of figure out where his core is. So let's say

1690
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:03,320
Speaker 2: like this buck that you know about this year, he's

1691
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:06,639
Speaker 2: in this spot by that fence. I imagine then there might

1692
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 2: be a number of different terrain features or travel corridors

1693
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 2: that maybe extend out from there. So I don't know,

1694
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:15,040
Speaker 2: I obviously don't know the specifics, but let's just say

1695
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:17,760
Speaker 2: there's like two draws and then there's like two other

1696
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 2: travel corridors. So maybe we'll say there's like four different

1697
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:23,000
Speaker 2: places where maybe his movement might pinch down eventually at

1698
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:25,840
Speaker 2: some point where you could catch him. And you're thinking

1699
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 2: on any the night before the hunt or the morning

1700
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:30,559
Speaker 2: of the hunt, and you're making the decision of, Okay,

1701
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:34,080
Speaker 2: where should I hunt today? Is it solely based on

1702
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:39,080
Speaker 2: what's the wind and then a hunch based on history

1703
01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:43,639
Speaker 2: or are you ever doing any other level of scouting

1704
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:45,960
Speaker 2: or anything else is gonna help you choose where you're

1705
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 2: gonna hunt on that given day. Maybe the better way

1706
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 2: to phrase this is just what are the variables going

1707
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:54,719
Speaker 2: through your head when you're trying to pick? Okay, which

1708
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:56,800
Speaker 2: of these corridors? Which of these features? Do I hunt

1709
01:27:56,840 --> 01:27:57,479
Speaker 2: tomorrow morning?

1710
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:03,280
Speaker 4: So I'm able to bounce around. Like I said, I

1711
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:05,679
Speaker 4: got enough stand home normally that I can bounce around,

1712
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 4: and it's you're right, it's my My decision is going

1713
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:11,000
Speaker 4: to be one hundred percent based on the wind. I

1714
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:12,920
Speaker 4: look at the wind projections for the next day on

1715
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:15,599
Speaker 4: an app on my phone. Then I started going through

1716
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:17,639
Speaker 4: my mind. Okay, I've got this, this and this stand

1717
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:20,639
Speaker 4: to hunt with this wind? Have I been there yet

1718
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 4: this year? Is there a buck there I want to shoot?

1719
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:27,080
Speaker 4: And if I've not been there, I'm going. I mean

1720
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:28,960
Speaker 4: I like to hit. I like to hit every stand

1721
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:31,240
Speaker 4: at least once, you know, during the rut and see

1722
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:32,960
Speaker 4: what see if I'm right or wrong on m my

1723
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 4: hunch on And there's some stands I never hunt, I'll

1724
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:39,320
Speaker 4: hang them. I never hunt them. But uh yeah, my

1725
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 4: decision making is one hundred percent based on wind where

1726
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 4: I'm going to go the next day, And not very

1727
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:52,320
Speaker 4: often do I get up of a morning and change

1728
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:54,639
Speaker 4: my plan from the night before. Now, if the wind's changed,

1729
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 4: is not quite what it was supposed to be or

1730
01:28:57,280 --> 01:29:00,599
Speaker 4: something like that, I might. I might change, but not

1731
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:02,400
Speaker 4: very often. If I make a decision, I'm going to

1732
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:05,800
Speaker 4: go here, there, whatever. And there's times I'll think, dang,

1733
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 4: I haven't hunted that's stand I forgot, that's that's perfect

1734
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 4: for this wind. I might go to it. But normally

1735
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 4: I make a game plan the night before and that's

1736
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:15,200
Speaker 4: where I'm going, and it's it's all based on wind.

1737
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 4: Have I been there? You know? Is there is there

1738
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 4: a reason to go? That's your first thing is there's

1739
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 4: no reason to go there, don't go? But I do.

1740
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:30,760
Speaker 4: I do most all my hunting based on wind. What

1741
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:33,240
Speaker 4: stands I'm going to be in it is going to

1742
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 4: be based on what the wind's going to be.

1743
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:37,960
Speaker 2: Do you usually stick in these spots? I know you

1744
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,559
Speaker 2: say you do all day sits a lot, But are

1745
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:43,040
Speaker 2: are those all day sits in the exact same location

1746
01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:46,040
Speaker 2: through the entire day or do you ever switch midday

1747
01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:49,640
Speaker 2: or in the afternoon to a different evening focus spot

1748
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 2: or can these work the entire day?

1749
01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 4: There are some locations that that I hunt that are

1750
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:59,760
Speaker 4: terrible morning or afternoon. You know, you think, okay, well

1751
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:01,759
Speaker 4: this is a great spot in the morning, it's terrible

1752
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:04,439
Speaker 4: in the evening. It could be because you can't get

1753
01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:06,320
Speaker 4: out of there. You know, it could be a location

1754
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:07,880
Speaker 4: that the now the deer are going to be in

1755
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:09,559
Speaker 4: the field. They're all going to wind you once they

1756
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:16,519
Speaker 4: get out there. And I do move some, but typically

1757
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:20,040
Speaker 4: if I'm hunting pinch points, I'm you know, you've got

1758
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:23,400
Speaker 4: betting areas on some part of either one end or

1759
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 4: the other of what you're hunting. You've got reason for

1760
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:29,639
Speaker 4: bucks to be either coming by going to betting areas

1761
01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:33,479
Speaker 4: or coming out of betting areas in the evening. So

1762
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:36,080
Speaker 4: I've got I've got several places that i can hunt

1763
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:39,599
Speaker 4: an entire day and never move. And it's all because

1764
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:41,680
Speaker 4: of where betting areas are and how they're coming. Either

1765
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:43,280
Speaker 4: they're going to them in the morning or they're coming

1766
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:45,240
Speaker 4: out of them in the evening, so you're able to

1767
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:47,640
Speaker 4: catch them either direction. But there are some places as

1768
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:50,519
Speaker 4: you can't. You can't sit there in the evening, and

1769
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 4: because you know, if it's wind blowing out in the

1770
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 4: agfield and that's where they're going out to feed, you know,

1771
01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:58,120
Speaker 4: all you're doing is educating deer in the evening. Then

1772
01:30:58,160 --> 01:31:00,479
Speaker 4: I then I'll move midday, I'll get out out of there.

1773
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 4: But I'll tell you something else that's kind of strange

1774
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:09,680
Speaker 4: for me personally, is all the bucks I've killed, I

1775
01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:14,640
Speaker 4: would say, and I'm not being I'm telling you a

1776
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:19,599
Speaker 4: truth here. This isn't I've killed probably five or less

1777
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:26,080
Speaker 4: in the evenings. So it's got to do with the

1778
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 4: way I'm hunting. And I for me to put a

1779
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:32,040
Speaker 4: finger on why, I can't tell you that because I've

1780
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:34,760
Speaker 4: thought about it, I've talked about it with and I

1781
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:39,200
Speaker 4: got guys that despise hunting mornings, and I would give

1782
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:43,040
Speaker 4: up three evenings to hunt one morning. But it's just

1783
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:45,160
Speaker 4: it's got to do with my style of hunting, obviously,

1784
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:47,000
Speaker 4: because I'm killing most of them, all my deer in

1785
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:50,360
Speaker 4: the mornings. Now, I've killed some midday, I've killed some

1786
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:53,920
Speaker 4: ten o'clock in the morning. But the biggest buck ever

1787
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:57,880
Speaker 4: killed was in the evening. So it's not that I

1788
01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:00,160
Speaker 4: haven't killed good ones in the evening. But I I

1789
01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 4: think I could probably count on one hand out of

1790
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:04,200
Speaker 4: all the deer I've killed that have been killed in

1791
01:32:04,200 --> 01:32:09,880
Speaker 4: the evening. Almost everything's mornings. So that's got to do

1792
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:11,240
Speaker 4: with my style obviously.

1793
01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:17,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, So this style. As I'm hearing you and as

1794
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:20,360
Speaker 2: we've talked, I feel like I'm starting to get a

1795
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:24,000
Speaker 2: more well rounded picture of your approach here. You're very

1796
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:29,160
Speaker 2: rut ish focused. You're very focused on catching these bucks

1797
01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:32,320
Speaker 2: once they get to traveling, as they're cruising their territory

1798
01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:35,080
Speaker 2: and they're checking dose and they're getting after it in

1799
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:37,439
Speaker 2: late October all the way through November. And so to

1800
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:39,439
Speaker 2: do that, you're in these pinch points or in these

1801
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:43,400
Speaker 2: terrain features where deer movement gets concentrated using the wind

1802
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:46,200
Speaker 2: the right kind of way. I'm starting to get a

1803
01:32:46,240 --> 01:32:50,000
Speaker 2: good picture here. But I'm curious if you were a professor,

1804
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:52,439
Speaker 2: you were teaching a class on this, and you were

1805
01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:54,960
Speaker 2: standing up in front of your class today it's the

1806
01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:56,880
Speaker 2: end of class, and you want to make sure that

1807
01:32:56,960 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 2: someone who's listened to you today would remember three things

1808
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 2: like the three rules of hunting the Brad Davis way.

1809
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:09,559
Speaker 2: What would those three things be that you'd want folks

1810
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:12,240
Speaker 2: to walk away with today at the end of your class?

1811
01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:17,080
Speaker 2: Could you think of those three most important takeaways either

1812
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:19,559
Speaker 2: when it comes to you know, choosing the train or

1813
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:21,559
Speaker 2: stand sites or any of the things we've talked about,

1814
01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:26,600
Speaker 2: or something else entirely. What would those top three things be.

1815
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:31,040
Speaker 4: One one thing I've not even touched on that I

1816
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:34,599
Speaker 4: think is huge that seldom gets talked about. I mean

1817
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:37,479
Speaker 4: I could do a whole I could do an hour

1818
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:42,160
Speaker 4: talking with people on how to approach your stand, getting in,

1819
01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:46,280
Speaker 4: getting out. Nobody hardly talks about it. But I think

1820
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:52,680
Speaker 4: it's one of the major reasons guys run a set.

1821
01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 4: They either they're tripping through. You know, there's always almost

1822
01:33:56,360 --> 01:33:59,000
Speaker 4: always a way that you can get to a stand

1823
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:05,760
Speaker 4: with minimal disturbance. And that's one reason, not all the

1824
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:09,160
Speaker 4: whole thing, but that's one reason. I love my electric bike,

1825
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:11,360
Speaker 4: and I just I've only been using it. I think

1826
01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:13,679
Speaker 4: this will be my fourth or fifth year using electric bike.

1827
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:19,640
Speaker 4: But I always hated walking in because deer know the

1828
01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:21,880
Speaker 4: cadence of a person walking. They know. I mean they

1829
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:24,000
Speaker 4: can you can have deer one hundred yards from you

1830
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:25,639
Speaker 4: in the woods take off running. You hear them running

1831
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:29,880
Speaker 4: into dry leaves because they know a person's coming. They

1832
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:32,240
Speaker 4: haven't figured out yet, now will they. I suppose as

1833
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:34,000
Speaker 4: more guys use bikes or they get used to it,

1834
01:34:34,040 --> 01:34:36,200
Speaker 4: they may figure out there's danger with a bicycle, but

1835
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:39,679
Speaker 4: you can drive up to deer forty fifty yards away

1836
01:34:40,280 --> 01:34:43,519
Speaker 4: on a bicycle because there's no human foot cadence to

1837
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:47,240
Speaker 4: it that they know. But getting in and getting out

1838
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:54,080
Speaker 4: is I mean. I try to find depressions, creaks, low ground,

1839
01:34:54,280 --> 01:34:58,360
Speaker 4: anything that gets me an advantage, and a lot of

1840
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:01,360
Speaker 4: times it's extra work. And that's the reason a lot

1841
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:03,080
Speaker 4: of guys don't do it. A lot of times that

1842
01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:05,720
Speaker 4: you've got to go around the long way you got

1843
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:08,639
Speaker 4: to you gotta cross something you don't want to cross. Whatever.

1844
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:13,920
Speaker 4: But when I hang a set, I look for the

1845
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:16,439
Speaker 4: best advantage point for me to get to it with

1846
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:21,559
Speaker 4: the least disturbance. And we've not even talked about it,

1847
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:24,639
Speaker 4: but there's there was an old barn that was on

1848
01:35:24,640 --> 01:35:26,360
Speaker 4: one of my farms I used to hunt. I would

1849
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 4: actually walk through that old barn and it was falling in,

1850
01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:32,759
Speaker 4: but I would walk through it because the the dirt

1851
01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:34,559
Speaker 4: floor in the barn, well, you know what, old dirt,

1852
01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:37,240
Speaker 4: pulverized dirt. It was so quiet, it was like walking

1853
01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:39,240
Speaker 4: on sand. You could walk through it. And I was

1854
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:41,160
Speaker 4: ten yards from that corner of that barn, I just

1855
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:43,920
Speaker 4: pop up in my tree and I made no noise,

1856
01:35:43,960 --> 01:35:48,479
Speaker 4: But getting in and getting out is huge to me.

1857
01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:52,960
Speaker 4: I just sink too many deer figure out, hey this

1858
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:55,680
Speaker 4: guy this he's walking in this direction. I mean, they

1859
01:35:55,680 --> 01:36:00,400
Speaker 4: cut your track, they know there's something up, They track

1860
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:02,800
Speaker 4: you to your tree. You know, you see deer do

1861
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:04,880
Speaker 4: stuff when you're in the tree, But when you leave,

1862
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:06,840
Speaker 4: they're doing the same thing. When you leave they cut

1863
01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:08,920
Speaker 4: your track, they're still tracking it to the tree. They're

1864
01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:13,640
Speaker 4: still smelling your steps, ear sticks or whatever. But I

1865
01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:16,639
Speaker 4: just think getting to your tree, wind in your face

1866
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:22,559
Speaker 4: and getting there undetected is it's just huge. I think

1867
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:26,960
Speaker 4: at the least amount of disturbance you have with deer

1868
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:30,600
Speaker 4: figuring out, hey, somebody's hunting me or somebody's here, I

1869
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:34,599
Speaker 4: think that's big. Nobody's hardly ever. I mean, you can

1870
01:36:34,640 --> 01:36:37,080
Speaker 4: do hours and hours and nobody talks about getting in

1871
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:39,320
Speaker 4: and out of your set. How do you get to it,

1872
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:41,320
Speaker 4: How do you get out of it? How do you

1873
01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:42,960
Speaker 4: get out of it at dark? When you know deer

1874
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:44,280
Speaker 4: out in the field is if you've got a way

1875
01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:46,240
Speaker 4: to get out of there without running all the deer off,

1876
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:48,080
Speaker 4: if you have to wade through them to get out

1877
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:51,720
Speaker 4: and if you do, you probably need to figure out

1878
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:53,240
Speaker 4: a different way to get out or not hunt it

1879
01:36:53,240 --> 01:36:57,280
Speaker 4: in the evenings. That's one thing that I think guys

1880
01:36:57,320 --> 01:36:59,560
Speaker 4: should really pay attention to. And if you've got to

1881
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:02,760
Speaker 4: walk in out extra mile, you'll be glad you did.

1882
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:04,120
Speaker 4: If you kill a good you know, if you kill

1883
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:05,559
Speaker 4: a ma at your buck and you've had to walk

1884
01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:07,120
Speaker 4: an extra mile at the end of the day, you'll

1885
01:37:07,160 --> 01:37:12,880
Speaker 4: be thrilled or the And I think I don't mean

1886
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:15,000
Speaker 4: this to sound bad, but there's a lot of guys

1887
01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:18,240
Speaker 4: are just lazy. And I don't mean that as in

1888
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:22,680
Speaker 4: in general terms. They're lazy. They hunt lazy. They think, man,

1889
01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:24,599
Speaker 4: I can ride my four wheeler up here. I can

1890
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:26,680
Speaker 4: you know, I can drive my truck and park the

1891
01:37:26,680 --> 01:37:28,840
Speaker 4: truck right here and I won't have to walk as far.

1892
01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:34,000
Speaker 4: It's you're only cheating yourself. You know, you're you're the

1893
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:36,479
Speaker 4: one that's going to be paying the paying for it

1894
01:37:36,479 --> 01:37:41,280
Speaker 4: because it's just going to run a set or guys say, well, dear,

1895
01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:44,600
Speaker 4: don't pay attention four whiders, Dear, don't pay attention to

1896
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:46,839
Speaker 4: this or that. Yes, they do sit in a tree

1897
01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:49,799
Speaker 4: in the dark and watch somebody, you know, the farmer

1898
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:51,759
Speaker 4: next door, take his four wheter out to his tree.

1899
01:37:52,240 --> 01:37:55,000
Speaker 4: You got deer blowing carrying on. He can't hear it

1900
01:37:55,160 --> 01:37:58,760
Speaker 4: four wheels running, he's driving to his tree stand. I

1901
01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:01,120
Speaker 4: just think getting in and getting out out undetected is

1902
01:38:01,479 --> 01:38:05,240
Speaker 4: a big, big thing. That would be one thing I

1903
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:07,559
Speaker 4: would tell, especially new hunters, you know, guys that are

1904
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:12,360
Speaker 4: just getting into it. That's that's one thing. The other

1905
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:17,000
Speaker 4: thing I would I always say is, you know, it's

1906
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:20,519
Speaker 4: a long learning curve. And I'm not even I mean,

1907
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:23,080
Speaker 4: I been doing this for a lot of years, but

1908
01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:27,840
Speaker 4: I still learn stuff every year. Wind and thermals. It's just,

1909
01:38:29,240 --> 01:38:32,680
Speaker 4: you know, lay aground is changes everything. When you think

1910
01:38:32,720 --> 01:38:34,800
Speaker 4: you got something figured out, the ground lays a little

1911
01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:37,920
Speaker 4: different than you figure and it does something different in

1912
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:39,760
Speaker 4: this spot than it did in that spot. But the

1913
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:44,639
Speaker 4: wind is it's huge. But if I had to tell

1914
01:38:44,720 --> 01:38:49,680
Speaker 4: some young hunter the best thing to do, like just

1915
01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:56,439
Speaker 4: starting out, I would tell them to stay back, spend

1916
01:38:56,479 --> 01:39:02,200
Speaker 4: more time watching an area before they just dive into it.

1917
01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:07,120
Speaker 4: Hunt from a perimeter spot that you're not doing any damage.

1918
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:10,679
Speaker 4: Hunt two or three evenings from that spot, and watch

1919
01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:13,040
Speaker 4: what the deer doing, how are they traveling that draw,

1920
01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:17,640
Speaker 4: how are they traveling that woods? And where are they

1921
01:39:17,640 --> 01:39:19,280
Speaker 4: coming out of the woods? You know, where are they

1922
01:39:19,320 --> 01:39:22,800
Speaker 4: going into it? Just pay attention and then make a move.

1923
01:39:24,200 --> 01:39:28,320
Speaker 4: It's easier to not mess up a spot staying back

1924
01:39:28,360 --> 01:39:31,160
Speaker 4: and watching than it is to just dive in. Some

1925
01:39:31,200 --> 01:39:32,920
Speaker 4: guys just want to dive in right off the bat,

1926
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:36,120
Speaker 4: and of course that's never been my approach, but some

1927
01:39:36,160 --> 01:39:39,519
Speaker 4: guys are successful with it. Some guys can can dive

1928
01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:42,960
Speaker 4: in and and they've got it, They've got that part

1929
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:46,240
Speaker 4: figured out. I never have been able to. That's just

1930
01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:49,120
Speaker 4: not the way I kind of approach it. I just

1931
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:51,240
Speaker 4: always like to lay back and watch and see what's

1932
01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:53,559
Speaker 4: going to happen, and then make a move and try

1933
01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:55,880
Speaker 4: to set something that hey, I know I can get

1934
01:39:55,880 --> 01:39:58,000
Speaker 4: there of a morning, or I can get there in

1935
01:39:58,040 --> 01:40:00,160
Speaker 4: the evening. I can be there they don't know I'm there.

1936
01:40:01,320 --> 01:40:05,880
Speaker 4: And that's that's probably the three things that I think

1937
01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:10,920
Speaker 4: guys making mistakes is diving in and not really knowing

1938
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:14,280
Speaker 4: for sure, they're just it's a crapshoot. Some guys don't

1939
01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:16,800
Speaker 4: have a lot of time to hunt. That's the you know,

1940
01:40:18,360 --> 01:40:21,880
Speaker 4: when you when you spend six weeks a year can

1941
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:24,599
Speaker 4: hunt every day. It's a lot different than the guy

1942
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:27,280
Speaker 4: that's got one week off from his job to hunt.

1943
01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:29,639
Speaker 4: You know, he can't sit back two or three evenings

1944
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:31,559
Speaker 4: or two or three mornings and see what's going to happen.

1945
01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:35,439
Speaker 4: So and I understand that part, but guys need to

1946
01:40:35,439 --> 01:40:40,000
Speaker 4: pay attention and remember what they what they see a deer,

1947
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:42,479
Speaker 4: a mature buck do what they see him do. He

1948
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:45,240
Speaker 4: didn't just do it once. He did it for a reason.

1949
01:40:46,360 --> 01:40:48,599
Speaker 4: And even if you don't see him move through that

1950
01:40:48,640 --> 01:40:52,760
Speaker 4: piece of woods again, the next mature buck's probably going

1951
01:40:52,840 --> 01:40:55,840
Speaker 4: to move through it very similar. They just have a

1952
01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:58,680
Speaker 4: certain way they want to move through a block of

1953
01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:01,000
Speaker 4: woods or a piece of timber or all whatever. There's

1954
01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:03,519
Speaker 4: certain ways they want to move through it with the

1955
01:41:03,560 --> 01:41:06,800
Speaker 4: wind in their in their favor, and and you know

1956
01:41:06,840 --> 01:41:09,040
Speaker 4: you always have that outlier. Well, I just got this buck.

1957
01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:11,400
Speaker 4: Was he came through here with the wind of his bike. Yeah,

1958
01:41:11,479 --> 01:41:13,080
Speaker 4: I'm sure he did. He had to get from there

1959
01:41:13,080 --> 01:41:14,200
Speaker 4: to there, and that's the only way he was going

1960
01:41:14,280 --> 01:41:19,240
Speaker 4: to get there that day. Yeah. But I just I

1961
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:23,360
Speaker 4: think if you're you're three things that you're talking about,

1962
01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:25,880
Speaker 4: I think the getting in and getting out with the

1963
01:41:25,960 --> 01:41:29,080
Speaker 4: least disturbance, at least amount of cent on the ground.

1964
01:41:30,640 --> 01:41:33,200
Speaker 4: Pay attention to the wind, and pay attention to what deer.

1965
01:41:33,920 --> 01:41:36,400
Speaker 4: And I don't mean deer in general, I mean mature deer.

1966
01:41:36,439 --> 01:41:38,200
Speaker 4: When you see three, four or five year old deer,

1967
01:41:38,280 --> 01:41:41,400
Speaker 4: dou bucks do something, pay attention to it. They did it,

1968
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:44,080
Speaker 4: they did it for a reason, and it may not

1969
01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:45,960
Speaker 4: pay off this year, may not pay off next year.

1970
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:47,200
Speaker 4: But if you've got a piece of ground that you

1971
01:41:47,200 --> 01:41:50,120
Speaker 4: can hunt three years from now, you may kill a

1972
01:41:50,160 --> 01:41:52,759
Speaker 4: buck exactly doing the exact same thing that buck did

1973
01:41:53,200 --> 01:41:57,040
Speaker 4: that you saw, you know, two three seasons before. Because

1974
01:41:57,040 --> 01:41:59,920
Speaker 4: they go through, they travel, They travel a piece of timber,

1975
01:42:00,040 --> 01:42:03,920
Speaker 4: piece of ground the scene for a reason. So pay attention,

1976
01:42:04,320 --> 01:42:07,320
Speaker 4: you know, just don't it's not just happenstance that they

1977
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:07,639
Speaker 4: do it.

1978
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:09,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.

1979
01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:14,559
Speaker 4: Probably not giving you I've probably not given you near

1980
01:42:14,600 --> 01:42:17,880
Speaker 4: the details stuff you want to hear. But that's how

1981
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:23,960
Speaker 4: I approach you. I mean, I'm pretty conservative. I I

1982
01:42:24,040 --> 01:42:26,880
Speaker 4: just I And I also think there's a lot of

1983
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:33,000
Speaker 4: guys overthink stuff. You know, it's it's not rocket science.

1984
01:42:33,200 --> 01:42:36,439
Speaker 4: There's a lot of trees. Like I told you, earliers,

1985
01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:39,240
Speaker 4: you just think about how many trees in a day's time.

1986
01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:42,840
Speaker 4: I mature buck could be killed out of. I don't

1987
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:47,120
Speaker 4: care what the wind is. There's still trees every day

1988
01:42:47,120 --> 01:42:48,760
Speaker 4: that you could kill mature buck out of. You just

1989
01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:50,519
Speaker 4: gotta have You got to have one around. I mean

1990
01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:53,400
Speaker 4: that's if you don't have one around, you can't kill it.

1991
01:42:53,479 --> 01:42:56,120
Speaker 4: You can't kill what's not there. Yeah, that's you know,

1992
01:42:56,120 --> 01:42:58,240
Speaker 4: it's easy to say, but it's just the truth. And

1993
01:42:58,360 --> 01:43:01,800
Speaker 4: living here in central Illinois typically.

1994
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:04,519
Speaker 2: Have Yeah, you make this great point though, about how

1995
01:43:04,520 --> 01:43:07,080
Speaker 2: there's so many different trees that they walk by that

1996
01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:10,320
Speaker 2: you could be sitting in. It's it's almost you can

1997
01:43:10,360 --> 01:43:13,799
Speaker 2: get stuck in this analysis paralysis when you do overthink

1998
01:43:13,800 --> 01:43:15,320
Speaker 2: things and you think, oh gosh, I have to pick

1999
01:43:15,360 --> 01:43:18,160
Speaker 2: the single one tree that it'll work from. And you

2000
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:20,479
Speaker 2: make this great point that that's not necessarily the case.

2001
01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:23,160
Speaker 2: You do enough of the right things, and you put

2002
01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:25,439
Speaker 2: in your time and you're smart about it, with the

2003
01:43:25,479 --> 01:43:30,479
Speaker 2: right access, you know it'll it can come together. So

2004
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:33,960
Speaker 2: that I think almost relieves a certain burden off of

2005
01:43:34,040 --> 01:43:38,040
Speaker 2: you mentally, so you can kind of go into the

2006
01:43:38,120 --> 01:43:39,400
Speaker 2: hunt maybe a little bit. I don't know if this

2007
01:43:39,439 --> 01:43:41,240
Speaker 2: is the right word, but almost lighter. When you're not

2008
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:44,200
Speaker 2: stressing so much about having to have that one perfect tree,

2009
01:43:44,640 --> 01:43:47,800
Speaker 2: you go in with it a little bit. I don't

2010
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:49,680
Speaker 2: want to say loose, and you don't want to be

2011
01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:52,120
Speaker 2: lacks of daisical. But just knowing that, hey, you don't

2012
01:43:52,160 --> 01:43:55,840
Speaker 2: have to have this two thousand percent the perfect tree

2013
01:43:55,880 --> 01:43:58,479
Speaker 2: because there's all these other options and you can it

2014
01:43:58,520 --> 01:44:01,000
Speaker 2: can come together when you do these three, four or

2015
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:04,880
Speaker 2: five core things right. So that's a great takeaway from

2016
01:44:04,880 --> 01:44:08,040
Speaker 2: this today, Brad. I appreciate you sharing this.

2017
01:44:08,120 --> 01:44:09,800
Speaker 4: I know that one other thing I was going to

2018
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:11,639
Speaker 4: tell you, and you know a lot of guys, everybody

2019
01:44:11,720 --> 01:44:14,120
Speaker 4: wants to be way back. Everybody wants to go deep.

2020
01:44:14,160 --> 01:44:17,400
Speaker 4: Everybody wants to well, guess what that buck he may

2021
01:44:17,439 --> 01:44:21,120
Speaker 4: be back a mile off the road, but he's not

2022
01:44:21,200 --> 01:44:25,280
Speaker 4: there all day long. It's basically during the rut. So

2023
01:44:25,400 --> 01:44:27,680
Speaker 4: why go clear back there? If you know he's gonna, Hey,

2024
01:44:27,680 --> 01:44:29,240
Speaker 4: he's got to come out of this piece of timber

2025
01:44:29,720 --> 01:44:31,360
Speaker 4: on this point, or he's got to come if he's

2026
01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:34,280
Speaker 4: traveling from A to B, he's coming out of there somewhere.

2027
01:44:34,640 --> 01:44:37,280
Speaker 4: Why go clear in there? Why I have to be

2028
01:44:37,320 --> 01:44:40,000
Speaker 4: deep in the woods when you can catch him coming

2029
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:42,400
Speaker 4: out or you might catch him coming into the woods.

2030
01:44:43,479 --> 01:44:50,160
Speaker 4: You just cut down your disturbance of and basically you're

2031
01:44:50,160 --> 01:44:52,000
Speaker 4: not warning them every time you're there that hey i'm

2032
01:44:52,040 --> 01:44:56,400
Speaker 4: in here, you know, I just I love hunting. Minimal disturbance.

2033
01:44:58,360 --> 01:45:02,120
Speaker 2: Yep, Yeah, you can never go wrong with that. That's

2034
01:45:02,160 --> 01:45:05,000
Speaker 2: always going to be a good rule of thumb. Keep

2035
01:45:05,040 --> 01:45:08,920
Speaker 2: it low impact, keep him unaware, hunt with the right wind,

2036
01:45:09,360 --> 01:45:11,160
Speaker 2: putting the time in those right keyspots.

2037
01:45:11,160 --> 01:45:13,800
Speaker 4: You know, you get guys that think that. You get

2038
01:45:13,800 --> 01:45:15,840
Speaker 4: guys thinking that their way is the only way. And

2039
01:45:16,280 --> 01:45:18,600
Speaker 4: I'm probably the I think there's I think there's a

2040
01:45:18,640 --> 01:45:22,599
Speaker 4: million ways to kill the big deer. You just got

2041
01:45:22,640 --> 01:45:26,920
Speaker 4: to have one around. And you know, if I if

2042
01:45:26,960 --> 01:45:29,280
Speaker 4: i'm if I'm hiring somebody, If I've got a business

2043
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:32,080
Speaker 4: and I'm going to hire somebody and I'm talking to

2044
01:45:32,120 --> 01:45:35,479
Speaker 4: a guy and he hunts, he's a hunter, and he's

2045
01:45:35,720 --> 01:45:39,840
Speaker 4: success a successful trophy hunter, I'm hiring him because I

2046
01:45:39,880 --> 01:45:42,320
Speaker 4: guarantee you he's not willing, he's not afraid of work.

2047
01:45:43,240 --> 01:45:45,960
Speaker 4: The guy that kills the biggest deer is paying his

2048
01:45:46,040 --> 01:45:50,200
Speaker 4: dues every year. Every year he's out working. The guy

2049
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:53,120
Speaker 4: that wants to kill one, but doesn't spend the time

2050
01:45:53,160 --> 01:45:56,280
Speaker 4: doing it. There is no part of no part of

2051
01:45:56,320 --> 01:45:59,280
Speaker 4: what gets done on killing mature bucks that you take shortcuts.

2052
01:46:00,320 --> 01:46:02,880
Speaker 4: The guy that's willing to put in the time every year,

2053
01:46:03,160 --> 01:46:05,920
Speaker 4: year after year, pay attention to details, put in the work.

2054
01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:08,280
Speaker 4: That guy is going to be a heck of an

2055
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:10,240
Speaker 4: employee too, because that's the way you know he's not

2056
01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:14,320
Speaker 4: afraid of work. So if you tell me you're a

2057
01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:16,080
Speaker 4: deer hunter, you never kill a big deer. And there's

2058
01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:18,160
Speaker 4: a guy next to you that's applied for a job,

2059
01:46:18,360 --> 01:46:20,280
Speaker 4: and these guy's killing him every year. I think this

2060
01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:23,719
Speaker 4: guy he's putting in the work. He knows, he knows

2061
01:46:23,720 --> 01:46:25,920
Speaker 4: I'm not afraid to work, or I know he's not

2062
01:46:25,960 --> 01:46:28,240
Speaker 4: afraid to work. I probably hire him every day because

2063
01:46:28,280 --> 01:46:30,439
Speaker 4: I know how much work it takes to kill a

2064
01:46:30,600 --> 01:46:34,519
Speaker 4: chure bucks year after year. It's not easy, even if

2065
01:46:34,520 --> 01:46:37,880
Speaker 4: you've got him around, it's not easy. And there's guys

2066
01:46:37,880 --> 01:46:40,280
Speaker 4: that think, well, they're behind every tree. No, they're not

2067
01:46:40,439 --> 01:46:42,719
Speaker 4: behind every tree. Yeah.

2068
01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:46,679
Speaker 2: Well, man, you make a great point about deer hunting

2069
01:46:46,720 --> 01:46:49,559
Speaker 2: success helping with hiring decisions. We might see a whole

2070
01:46:49,680 --> 01:46:53,360
Speaker 2: new trend in folks in the deer hunting world having

2071
01:46:53,400 --> 01:46:55,000
Speaker 2: higher employment because of that.

2072
01:46:55,920 --> 01:46:58,880
Speaker 4: Well you do, you do these podcasts all the time.

2073
01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:02,920
Speaker 4: You know, the guys that are successful are not guys

2074
01:47:02,920 --> 01:47:04,880
Speaker 4: that are laying on the couch. They're not guys that

2075
01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:06,920
Speaker 4: are afraid to go out and do the extra work.

2076
01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:08,760
Speaker 4: You know, they're not the guy that's afraid to hang

2077
01:47:08,840 --> 01:47:11,120
Speaker 4: twenty tree stands to know that only one of them

2078
01:47:11,160 --> 01:47:14,760
Speaker 4: is going to pay off. And there's a lot of

2079
01:47:14,760 --> 01:47:16,840
Speaker 4: work and dedication that goes in to kill them ature

2080
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:17,840
Speaker 4: deer year after year.

2081
01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:21,200
Speaker 2: There just is Yeah, that might be the only thing.

2082
01:47:21,400 --> 01:47:25,320
Speaker 2: Just content. Yeah like that. You mentioned that there's so

2083
01:47:25,320 --> 01:47:27,160
Speaker 2: many different ways to skin the cat, and there are,

2084
01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:30,000
Speaker 2: but the one thing every good deer hunter has in common.

2085
01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:32,360
Speaker 2: Though their styles and their approaches might be different, they

2086
01:47:32,520 --> 01:47:36,320
Speaker 2: all work hard. That's that's the big thing. That that's

2087
01:47:36,360 --> 01:47:37,120
Speaker 2: the through line.

2088
01:47:38,160 --> 01:47:40,280
Speaker 4: Every one of them is putting in their time to

2089
01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:42,920
Speaker 4: do what they do. You know, whether it's whatever your

2090
01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:45,080
Speaker 4: approach is, every one of them is putting in the

2091
01:47:45,120 --> 01:47:47,240
Speaker 4: time and the work you that you just have to

2092
01:47:47,320 --> 01:47:50,360
Speaker 4: you know, you got guys. Well, I'll just throw Andre

2093
01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:52,960
Speaker 4: out for an example. Yeah, he kills big deer every year,

2094
01:47:53,880 --> 01:47:56,040
Speaker 4: but it's not because he doesn't. It doesn't these go

2095
01:47:56,080 --> 01:47:57,920
Speaker 4: out tnsay I'm going to go kill this buck tonight

2096
01:47:59,320 --> 01:48:03,280
Speaker 4: and not putting time in to do it. He's got

2097
01:48:03,280 --> 01:48:05,120
Speaker 4: it figured out too. I mean, he spent the time

2098
01:48:05,160 --> 01:48:09,160
Speaker 4: and he's paid the dues and he knows. Obviously, you're

2099
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:13,639
Speaker 4: the curve probably does flatten. With a more experience you have,

2100
01:48:13,720 --> 01:48:16,680
Speaker 4: that curve probably does flatten. But you still don't just

2101
01:48:16,760 --> 01:48:19,760
Speaker 4: kill big deer by by not putting in the time

2102
01:48:19,800 --> 01:48:21,479
Speaker 4: and doing your legwork and the homework.

2103
01:48:22,520 --> 01:48:26,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, very true, well bred. I just want to thank

2104
01:48:26,120 --> 01:48:28,040
Speaker 2: you so much for taking the time to do this

2105
01:48:28,160 --> 01:48:33,919
Speaker 2: and share your perspective. I think you've got a style

2106
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:36,719
Speaker 2: and an approach to this that I think is really

2107
01:48:36,760 --> 01:48:39,920
Speaker 2: helpful for a lot of folks to think about, because

2108
01:48:39,960 --> 01:48:43,040
Speaker 2: these days, one thing that is kind of common is

2109
01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:47,160
Speaker 2: this over complicating of deer hunting and and I think

2110
01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:50,280
Speaker 2: you've got something here that folks could benefit from to

2111
01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:53,360
Speaker 2: kind of simplify it a little bit down to a

2112
01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:56,679
Speaker 2: couple core key things and then just do that well.

2113
01:48:57,240 --> 01:48:59,400
Speaker 2: And that's a smart approach in a lot of cases.

2114
01:48:59,479 --> 01:49:02,040
Speaker 2: So so thank you for joining us for that. Thanks

2115
01:49:02,080 --> 01:49:05,160
Speaker 2: for sharing that, Brad. I'm sure you're gonna have great

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Speaker 2: hunting season, but I'll be pulling for you and cross

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Speaker 2: my fingers for you too.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. I appreciate it, enjoyed it me too. And

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Speaker 4: good luck to you guys. Good luck to you as well.

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Speaker 2: All right, and that's going to do it for us today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for tuning in. I want to give you

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Speaker 2: two quick updates. Number one, if you were listening to

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Speaker 2: this the week it came out, that being the week

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Speaker 2: of October ninth, be sure if you are in the

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Speaker 2: area of Kentucky or southern Indiana, southern Illinois, southern Ohio,

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Speaker 2: anywhere in that neck of the woods, come on out

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Speaker 2: this Saturday, October fourteenth and join me and mister Janie

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Speaker 2: poutell Us at our last Working for Wildlife Tour event.

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Speaker 2: We'd love to see you down there. We're gonna do

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Speaker 2: some work collecting acorns for a native reforestation effort on

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Speaker 2: the Daniel Boone National Forest. We're gonna do some good work.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna have a great time. We're going to share

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Speaker 2: some hunting stories, talk cunting tips and strategies, all sorts

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Speaker 2: of good stuff while we're out there volunteering on public land.

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Speaker 2: Would love to see you spend a little time midday

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Speaker 2: doing some good stuff out there. So if you want

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Speaker 2: to do that, if you want to join us, just

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Speaker 2: go ahead and google working for Wildlife Tour Kentucky and

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Speaker 2: that will be probably the easiest way for you to

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Speaker 2: find the link to the registration page with all the

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Speaker 2: details and with the sign up link. Hope to see

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Speaker 2: on Saturday number two, Tony wanted me to mention that

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Speaker 2: the Foundations episode this week, which would be coming out

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Speaker 2: on the what date would that be? October tenth, it

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Speaker 2: would have come out that is very similar in theme

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Speaker 2: to the conversation we just had here with Brad, kind

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Speaker 2: of talking about ways to simplify and refocus your efforts

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Speaker 2: during the hunting season and not chasing every squirrel running

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Speaker 2: around in the distance. So good stuff to think about.

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Speaker 2: I think our conversation here with Brad was a great

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Speaker 2: reminder that sometimes you just got to stick to the

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Speaker 2: fundamentals and do them well and do them consistently. That

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Speaker 2: is a why piece of advice. So hope you enjoyed

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Speaker 2: this one. Best of luck out there in the woods,

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Speaker 2: and until next time, stay wired to Hunt.