1 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory. 2 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: Jim Hayes alongside Lance Lynn, Kyle Gibson, and our special guests. 3 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: The cutest manager in all of baseball that Ali's of 4 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: the show, and I know that it's going to yeah, no, uh, 5 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a brutal half hour for me because 6 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: you're all going to take your shots. Ali, thanks for 7 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: coming on. You said you'd come on. You were on 8 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: the phone with Kyle Gibson during the last episode and 9 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: now you're on. So we're going to do our best 10 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 1: to muddle through this. Technically, I'm going to start Ali 11 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: by saying, you guys are off to a four and 12 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: three start, right. We see the bullpen starting to come together. 13 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: We've seen some good starts, some not so good. We've 14 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: seen like Walker hitting, certainly Herrera, there's a lot to like. 15 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: What over this first stretch of the season has jumped 16 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: out at you, the manager. 17 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 2: I would say it's been It's been good to see 18 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 2: what Walker is doing. He's done a really nice job. 19 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 2: You look at his spring and there is a lot 20 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 2: of work being put in, but the results still weren't there. 21 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: And for him to stick with the plan with Browning 22 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 2: and being that group and to continue to put in 23 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 2: the work without wavering and then getting some of the 24 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 2: results early on and building off of that confidence has 25 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: been fun. So we've been talking quite a bit. I've 26 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: had a feel a lot of questions as to what 27 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 2: is he going to be in the four hole And 28 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 2: the fact that that's even a topic is awesome to 29 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 2: me because several weeks back that wasn't anywhere close to 30 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 2: the conversation. So I love what he's doing. I love 31 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 2: the confidence that he's playing with. So that's that's been fun. 32 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna follow up here, so I didn't talk to 33 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: brown He said he thinks the key is they reached 34 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: the Great Compromise with Walker, right. They took some of 35 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: the analytics data about body position and some of the 36 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: technical stuff and then sort of fused it with the 37 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: way Jordan likes doing it and feels comfortable doing it. 38 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: So he calls it the great Compromise. Do you see 39 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: it that way too? 40 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 2: If we can back up, because you dropped your mic 41 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 2: to start this whole thing, and then you said we're 42 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: four and three and we're five and four. 43 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: Five. 44 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just wanted to correct a couple of things there, 45 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 2: but with Jordan, with. 46 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: I was nervous that you are on. 47 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 2: With with Jordan, it is a little bit of a compromise, 48 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 2: and in a good way. When a player gets comfortable 49 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 2: enough to say, hey, this doesn't feel right. Is there 50 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 2: a different way of doing it and communicating in a 51 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 2: way where you can make adjustments, and that's where you 52 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: start to get somewhere. And with with him, I feel 53 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 2: like the and I've said this quite a bit on 54 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 2: a different on a different show, but it's uh early 55 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 2: on he would say yes and do things even if 56 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 2: he wasn't completely comfortable, And you get to a better 57 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 2: spot if you can just be honest and say, hey, 58 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,399 Speaker 2: it's there a different way of getting to that same 59 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 2: thing that we're trying to get to. And he's done 60 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 2: a much better job of that. So the communication has 61 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 2: been super clear, His feedback has been awesome, and I 62 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 2: feel like we're getting to much better spots. So combination 63 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 2: of that whole hitting apartment and him has been has 64 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: been really good. 65 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 3: Well, you know, Jim's changed because he didn't even hit 66 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 3: his bag segment because he didn't want to see you 67 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 3: have you see him begging for people to follow. 68 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: So we need subscribers, all right, hit the subscribe, but 69 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: we want to get to seven thousand. 70 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 3: Golly, but I want to talk about these young kids 71 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 3: with you know, you got a younger group, it's kind 72 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 3: of a rebuild. How do you go about teaching him 73 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 3: how to play the game, but also introducing him and 74 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 3: try to learn the analytics on the fly to try to, 75 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 3: you know, help them. Like you said, fuse both of it, 76 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 3: whether it's pitching or the hitting aspect of it. 77 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 2: With this group, I with a young group, they tend 78 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 2: to already lean towards that analytical type of mindset. They've 79 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 2: grown up with it all their training sessions and the 80 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 2: off season. There's a lot of that already built in. 81 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 2: So it's less of that with this young group and 82 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 2: continuing to just pound the standard and allow them to 83 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 2: get excited about what the expectations and standards are. Man. 84 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 2: Spring training was awesome. I enjoyed the heck out of 85 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 2: it because Lance different than a lot of the other 86 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 2: years in Saint Louis. Whether it's not that one name 87 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 2: or two guys that you're looking to for every answer. 88 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 2: We created some topics that we wanted to just provoke thought, 89 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 2: let these guys talk about it in the clubhouse. We 90 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 2: would meet once a week and just seeing Mason and 91 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 2: Nude and Herrera and Libby and some of these guys, 92 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 2: man step up and speak to these topics and what 93 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 2: we want the style of play to look like. We 94 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 2: want to be a group that can tell each other 95 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 2: the truth and be honest and just how to play 96 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,679 Speaker 2: the game the right way at the big league level. 97 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 2: That's been the fun part. And this group is is 98 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 2: hungry for what's next. You can have honest conversations with them, man, 99 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 2: but when it comes to blending the two, there's already 100 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 2: a lean because of the way they've been brought up 101 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 2: towards a lot of the biomac and analytics and just 102 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 2: continuing to teach how to play the game the right 103 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 2: way is is part of the job. But you look 104 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 2: at our staff and Pop and Stubby and and you 105 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 2: go down to the Scows and Jay man, these are 106 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 2: guys that are passionate about teaching how to play the game. 107 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 2: So it's been that's been probably the most fun. 108 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 4: Well hold on, I thought Jim boys asked the questions. 109 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 4: I was just sorry, We're. 110 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: Going to rotate asking questions follow the. 111 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 4: Program and all transparency and all transparency. I have just 112 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 4: been so flowed with this signal and stuff not working here. 113 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 4: We are technology. It's just you can tell I've already 114 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 4: moved locations, just trying to hear you. Guys. This has 115 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 4: been it's been not a great start, Ollie. I love 116 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 4: I was the one sixty two, right. I love the 117 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 4: fact that we're in this for the long haul and 118 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 4: you can't overreact and stuff like that. But looking at 119 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 4: this two ways, you said five and four, just so 120 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 4: fans know, if the team wins five out of nine games, 121 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 4: you're gonna be ninety and seventy two. Now every fan 122 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 4: would be like, oh wow, that's pretty awesome, But then 123 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 4: they say, oh, you know what, the Cardinals are off 124 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 4: to just an okay start? You know, man, I can't 125 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 4: believe Mason wins not going It's like, hold on, we 126 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 4: can't have this both ways. Right, Like, over the first 127 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 4: nine games, it's been fun to watch, and I think 128 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 4: Cardinals fans need to just appreciate that. But as you 129 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 4: see how this team's going together, and we've seen you 130 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 4: guys win in different ways, what are some of these 131 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 4: things that you are hammering home? To these young guys 132 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 4: with still teaching them how to win. Because everybody on 133 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 4: this show thinks this team, even though it's rebuilding, trys 134 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 4: a chance to have a good year and push for 135 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 4: a wild card or push the division if you play 136 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 4: this well. So what are some of those things that 137 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 4: you're teaching these young guys and really trying to hammer 138 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 4: home that, Like, Hey, whether this is a rebuilding year 139 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 4: or not, this is what we expect out of you guys, 140 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 4: and this is what we can do. 141 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, the one thing you can't do during time like 142 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 2: this is lower the standard. It has to remain what 143 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 2: it's always been. And even when you're a staff member, manager, 144 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 2: a coach in the minor leagues, like, you're developing guys, 145 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 2: but you want to develop them in a winning environment 146 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 2: and teach them how to be winning players. So you're 147 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 2: continuing to develop winning players, and it's no different, man, Like, 148 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 2: the one thing we've been hammering home is the style 149 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 2: of play, regardless of score, regardless of situation, Like, there 150 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 2: has to be a certain style in which we play 151 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 2: how we want the opposition to feel us, and we've 152 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 2: been able to demonstrate that in a couple different ways. Man, 153 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 2: Even that first series, when you look at getting punched 154 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 2: in the face for six runs and then being able 155 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 2: to punch right back for eight, that's one way of 156 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 2: never giving in and then the very next day to 157 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 2: have the lead and give it up and then still 158 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 2: find a way to walk them off. Like that's a 159 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 2: different feeling completely, because there's a little bit of a 160 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: different gut punch there. So I like the way we 161 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 2: have We've responded to a lot of situations up to 162 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 2: this point. You lose the first two in Detroit and 163 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 2: you come back and make sure you take that last game, 164 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 2: and that was a really good baseball game in a 165 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 2: lot of ways. So I like how we're responding. The 166 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 2: style of play has been there. There is energy there, 167 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 2: There is a relentless competitiveness to what these guys are 168 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: doing that I absolutely love. But there's still areas, man, 169 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 2: in that last series, where you're looking early on situationally 170 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 2: where the intent and execution weren't there, And we're just 171 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 2: going to have to continue to get better at those 172 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 2: things and be better in May than we weren't aprim 173 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 2: better in June than we were in May. So those 174 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 2: are the things that you lock in and on you 175 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 2: make sure, you pointed out the things that we're doing 176 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 2: well and continuing that, but also when you talk about 177 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 2: telling the truth, like here are the areas of improvement, 178 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 2: here's some opportunities that we missed on, and let's talk 179 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 2: through those as well. So I like our group. It's 180 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 2: an honest group you can do that with. So, yeah, 181 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 2: that's where we're at at the moment. 182 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 4: Jim, I got another question. No, we're not. No, Jim, 183 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 4: I got another one. Follow up. 184 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: At least do a verbal signal for some sort of 185 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: hand thing, you damn. 186 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 3: Thing, Jim, Just ship there and be quiet, all right? 187 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 1: Here we go. 188 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 4: Follow up here, Ollie. So in twenty twenty four one 189 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 4: thing with the veteran group, I thought you really let 190 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 4: the locker room be the locker room. And there were 191 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 4: times where you came in and challenged us on, you know, 192 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 4: just man to man with a younger group. How are 193 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 4: you approaching that now? Grant you guys haven't gone through 194 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 4: a five game skit or anything, you know, tough like that, 195 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 4: But how are you planning on approaching that any different? 196 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 4: In the same letting mace or letting earlier, any of 197 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 4: these guys kind of handle that or what are you 198 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 4: kind of thinking of preparing yourself with going into the 199 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 4: locker room because it sounds like you're having more talks already. 200 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 2: Now you're spot on, and that's something that you keep 201 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 2: an eye on to see how it's being handled. And 202 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 2: there's been a lot of conversations with a decent amount 203 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 2: of this group as far as hey, there's going to 204 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 2: be a time where things aren't ideal and what does 205 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 2: that look like and who steps up and leads in 206 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 2: that clubhouse? But I think it's going to be a 207 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 2: collective effort because there's not one person that I believe 208 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 2: has to be the one to do it. But that 209 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 2: goes hand in hand with one of the topics that 210 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:43,959 Speaker 2: we discussed that length, and it's man, we've got to 211 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 2: be able to tell each other the truth, and that's 212 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 2: player to player, that's coach a player and player to coach, 213 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 2: Like I have to carry myself in a way where 214 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 2: guys feel comfortable enough telling me if I'm doing something 215 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 2: that doesn't align with what our goals are. So it 216 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 2: we will go through a skin every team does, and 217 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 2: I'm actually looking forward to how these dudes handle that. 218 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 2: There's a time to step in, but there's also time 219 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 2: to kind of see what that group does and how 220 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 2: they go about it, and I think there's an opportunity 221 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 2: at some point in the season, there'll be an opportunity 222 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 2: for both. But uh, things go much better when that 223 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 2: clubhouse is able to kind of hold each other accountable. 224 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 2: Doesn't mean that the staff or the manager doesn't step 225 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 2: in from time to time, but you guys have been 226 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 2: on really good teams and usually you guys hold each 227 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 2: other accountable to a pretty high degree. 228 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: If you could share with us your relationship Jim, can 229 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 1: you can we step him and just go to Lance. 230 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: Make it a good one. 231 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 4: Last one? 232 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: I'm right, Mo, you had relationships obviously since you've been 233 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 1: manager two different president of Baseball Operations. Tell us about 234 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: your relationship with him and is it similar to mo 235 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: or he's in your office, open channel of communication, kind 236 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: of share with the viewers, and there are quite a 237 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: few what that relationship is like. 238 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 2: That's beautiful. It's been great, and I think one of 239 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 2: the things that has helped is that he's been around 240 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 2: for the last two years prior to holding the seat right, 241 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 2: so we were able to build that relationship and start 242 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 2: to build some of that trust and you build it 243 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 2: a lot quicker when both of you guys are in 244 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 2: a position of decision making. So my relationship with Moe 245 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 2: was great. He treated me extremely well over the years, 246 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 2: and with him stepping in man, it was a seamless transition. 247 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 2: There was never a period of awkwardness where they were 248 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 2: both there and who do I kind of communicate with? 249 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 2: They were able to separate kind of responsibilities in a 250 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 2: way that made it super easy on me last year 251 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 2: and then now this year, that built in trust is there. 252 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 2: I love the way things have gone to this point. 253 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 2: The communication has been great. The integration with certain members 254 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 2: of the front office like Surf and others has been 255 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 2: has been awesome. But this is a guy that's super 256 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 2: smart and cares about people. He cares about the people 257 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 2: that are in it day to day. He has empathy 258 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 2: for the difficulties that come with our jobs, with the 259 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 2: hitting department, of the pitching department and everything that goes 260 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 2: with it. Man, So there's a there's a level of 261 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 2: process that he brings to the table. But then the 262 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 2: people part of this he does a really good job 263 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 2: with and I've enjoyed kind of learning a little bit 264 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 2: more of that side. Of him, But up to this point, 265 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 2: it's been it's been awesome. 266 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 3: Hey listen on JJ real quick. Is there a time 267 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 3: and spring training that you saw were like, hey, this 268 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 3: guy's is there like an it factor a time where 269 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 3: like this guy's give that lead off for me and 270 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 3: play second, or was like you're going into it like hey, 271 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 3: I already know I got my guy, Or was there 272 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 3: something that just said, hey, he's here and he's gonna 273 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 3: stay man. 274 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 2: It was actually the spring training before where he came 275 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 2: in and he hit one backside and just stood up 276 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 2: on it and just hit it, stood there for a 277 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 2: minute round and you can just tell him the way 278 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 2: he was running the bases came in there. There's this 279 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 2: level of just calmness and a confidence to him that 280 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 2: you would have thought he was in his fifth, sixth, 281 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 2: seventh spring training. It was impressive to watch the way 282 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 2: he carried himself. And there's times lands but you go 283 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 2: talk to a young dude and they're just wide eyed 284 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 2: and the cadence in which you're speaking is just super 285 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 2: fast and sped up, and there's never any of that. 286 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 2: And I love when you can have a conversation with 287 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 2: the guy and they're not seeking your approval at all, 288 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 2: Like that's that's a really good thing. And we get 289 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 2: into spring training this year and I've told this story 290 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 2: where I mean he spent a lot of time working 291 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 2: on his backhand and just making sure he tightened that up. 292 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 2: And the first couple of plays he gets in the spring, 293 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 2: he boots both of them, and the next day go 294 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 2: up and I'm having a conversation about about the play, 295 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 2: and there's just a calmness to the way he was explaining, 296 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 2: here's what happened, here's what I need to get better at, 297 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 2: here's how I'm gonna go about it and get there. 298 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 2: And it was very matter of fact. So there isn't 299 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 2: it factor to him where it's he knows who he is. 300 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 2: There's gonna be periods where he struggles and that's fine, 301 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 2: but I think he'll be able to handle that better 302 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 2: than most. So we went in. I knew we wanted 303 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 2: this guy to break with this does a matter? Can 304 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 2: he handle the lead off spot even if it doesn't 305 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 2: go well? And the longer we got in the sprint 306 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 2: and I got to learn a little bit more about him, 307 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 2: it was clear that that that would be the case. 308 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 4: Love it, love it all we're gonna let you go. 309 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 4: Hold on, where's the coffee from today? You guys got 310 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 4: in late. 311 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: We're letting him go. We're not done yet. 312 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 4: Hey, he's got a bust to catch. He's got to go. 313 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 4: He's got a busted catch. He's got to get to 314 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 4: the field, Jimmy, he's got things to do today. He's 315 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 4: got a game to win. 316 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 2: It's that Commonwealth place down downstairs. It's a it's a 317 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 2: good spot. It's a good spot. Jim You had one 318 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 2: more quick, no, no, no. 319 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: More? You want to know and then we'll let you go. 320 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: The latest on Mason car accident. He's fine after that, 321 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: but there was he's dealing with some that was before 322 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: the car accident. So give us an update on his health. 323 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna go ahead and go through his pregame 324 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 2: work today. Yesterday I was freezing in Detroit. He was 325 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 2: able to do a decent amount of it, but not 326 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 2: all of it. So we want to make sure he 327 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 2: checks a couple of boxes before giving him the green light. 328 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 2: So we'll take care of that. They're in early work 329 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 2: today and then see where we're at all. 330 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: Right, Ollie, have you got to go? 331 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 3: We appreciate you dropping by when you put him in 332 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 3: the two hole and here in the four. 333 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 2: I see, I almost got out of here without this? 334 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 2: Is that your best version? 335 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 3: So we were talking about it. We were thinking about 336 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 3: how would you navigate that lineup if you're gonna deal 337 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 3: with those two pets at the top and then Burley 338 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 3: who doesn't strike out, and then next thing you know, 339 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 3: you got two guys on and Parre's got you know, 340 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 3: and I understand what you're saying about the the double 341 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 3: play ball right in the in the fore hole, and 342 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 3: Mason doesn't strike out either. 343 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 2: It also doesn't help. And I think we're having a 344 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,479 Speaker 2: different conversation of Mace gets off to the start that 345 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 2: he would have hoped for, we would have hope for, 346 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 2: right like, if he does what I know he's capable of, 347 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 2: I think this conversation's different. So do you give it 348 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 2: time for that to take place, or do you or 349 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 2: do you switch it up. It's been interesting to see 350 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 2: a couple of the combinations of the Walker Gorman kind 351 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 2: of flip there. It happened exactly like we talked about 352 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 2: Gibbie and then the sixth then and they threw that 353 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 2: lefty right through that four lane and there's not a 354 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 2: whole lot you can do about it, which I'm okay 355 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 2: with JJ and Burley and those guys learning how to 356 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 2: stay in there against lefties. Gorman has a decent job 357 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 2: against some in the past. So depending on Mace's availability today, 358 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 2: we may see a different, different line of construction. I'm 359 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 2: not sure it's the one you just pumped out, Lance, 360 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 2: but what I hear you. 361 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 3: My only worry is because you get guys like Jim 362 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 3: who wants to turn Mason into a thirty home run 363 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 3: short stuff and Mason leads off. 364 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: Then j all right, Jim talking. 365 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 3: So I was worried of putting Mason in the four hole. 366 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 3: Mason likes to be the guy, But do you worry 367 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 3: about him trying to drive the ball and maybe try 368 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 3: to hit more home runs and get out of this 369 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 3: game a little bit. That's my only worry. 370 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 2: Nope, you're You're spot on. And if I if we 371 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 2: didn't have multiple conversations around that exact topic initiated by 372 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 2: him not wanting to be that, then I would have 373 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 2: been a little bit more timid in doing it. But yeah, 374 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 2: you're spot on with that. 375 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 3: You are that That's my only worry. But I do 376 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 3: like man. Remember when we were in twenty four when 377 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 3: we put Mason at the top. It's he's a spark 378 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 3: plug man, especially when when he starts feeling it, that 379 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 3: whole team kind of feeds off a little bit. 380 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 2: Thanks Jeff, you're welcome. 381 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 3: Get off of it. 382 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: Thank you, I. 383 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 2: Thank you, brother, See you guys all right, say thank you. 384 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: All right. We had Olie Martin with us. That was 385 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: pretty great, Kyle, even though you took some shot. I 386 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: want to thank you for sort of reaching out to 387 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: him and and setting this in motion. 388 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 4: We are going to take it, I think, break okay, 389 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 4: I think, and then. 390 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: We're gonna come back more to get to hold those thoughts. 391 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: You're watching Cardinal Territory on the file Territory now. 392 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 5: With over thirty five million downloads. What is the number 393 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 5: one rated ticketing out Todd Father, It's. 394 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 6: Simple man, as we know, man, they have a lot 395 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 6: of things that helps you out along the way. 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And if you were in the front office, 424 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: would you, uh, would you extend JJ at this point 425 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 1: to lock him up in a little. 426 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 4: I'm all right, so I'm gonna look at this from 427 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 4: a player perspective and probably pretty cynical here, and probably 428 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 4: a little tin hat conspiracy. Okay, there's a CBA coming 429 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 4: up in in eight months here. Not very often do 430 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 4: you see a lot of young guys in this type 431 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 4: of a flurry get deal before their debut, right after 432 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 4: their debut, or this close to their debut in general. 433 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 4: I don't really know what all is going into it. 434 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 4: If you can get JJ Weatherholt on a long term 435 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:04,479 Speaker 4: and extension, I am, I'm good with it. But I mean, obviously, 436 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 4: I think these teams are seeing something coming down the 437 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 4: pipeline that maybe media and everybody else isn't And I 438 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 4: kind of wonder if this is, you know, what is 439 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 4: kind of going on here? Do I think? Now back 440 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 4: to my you know, kind of non ten hat. In 441 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 4: my mind, any type of an extension like these guys 442 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 4: are getting is a good deal for the player. Okay. 443 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 4: The chances of Connor of Connor Griffin making one hundred 444 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 4: and forty million over the first nine years of his career, 445 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 4: he might be a great player, the chances of him 446 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 4: doing it are low without this extension. Now granted once again, 447 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 4: he's a great player, right, Okay, he gave up some 448 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 4: free agent years. But is a great deal for Connor 449 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 4: Griffin and for the players to get these deals. I 450 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 4: just get it kind of sends up my intendance here 451 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 4: a little bit when I see all these deals being 452 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 4: given out to guys who really haven't played yet. Great 453 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 4: for the player, pumped up for each of them, Great 454 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 4: for the fans that think that that now are going 455 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 4: to get to see these guys for long term because 456 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 4: it's I think it's great for the fan bases. I 457 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 4: always think it's a good time to lock out players 458 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 4: to extensions. So if now as something the Cardinals want 459 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 4: to do, I would do it. See if you can 460 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 4: get JJ locked in. But I don't know. I think 461 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 4: it is a little interesting, especially pre orb you know, 462 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 4: before you find out how a guy's going to react 463 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 4: to the big leagues, you know, giving out a big extension. 464 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,360 Speaker 3: What about you, Lance, I mean, anytime you can sign 465 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 3: a deal that's going to give you a hundred million 466 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 3: dollars before you played a game in the big leagues, 467 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 3: you take it, and you're gonna be like, they're gonna 468 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 3: be a free agent by thirty. You're hitting all the 469 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 3: things that you hope to hit, especially the younger they are, 470 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 3: so uh, there is something fishy about the amount of them. 471 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 3: Maybe there's just like, hey, they're worried about them going up, 472 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 3: so everybody's just kind of jumping on the board and 473 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 3: just filing in. But you're looking at JJ, even Mason 474 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 3: and guys like that. I would anybody that you see 475 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 3: as your young core, I would figure out what it 476 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 3: looks like so you can get cost certainty. You don't 477 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 3: know what the next CBA is going to look like. 478 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 3: Maybe there's gonna be these contracts are grandfathered in, so 479 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 3: if there's if they think there's a cap, these long 480 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 3: term deals are grandfathered in so they don't hit the 481 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 3: cap in a certain way. Maybe to get the cap, 482 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 3: they know that they're gonna have to give up free 483 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,959 Speaker 3: agency years or arm years to where you can get 484 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 3: to a free agency faster. So they're locking these guys 485 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 3: up if they're like, oh, we can get the free 486 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 3: agency after four years, or you get the arbitration after two, 487 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 3: because you're gonna have to give something up to get 488 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 3: the cap system that they're entailing. So now it's like, oh, 489 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 3: I got this guy for nine instead of four, and 490 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 3: then he hit three agency. So there's a there's a 491 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 3: lot of different things going on right now that the 492 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 3: league are out in front of and the ownerships are 493 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 3: out in front of what you're seeing, and that's part 494 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 3: of it. But whenever you can give yourself one hundred 495 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 3: million dollars and you're twenty one years old, you take 496 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,160 Speaker 3: it and then you worry about the next one when 497 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 3: it comes, and you just worry about getting it being 498 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 3: as good of the players again. 499 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 1: Seems like a win win to me. If you're a 500 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: young player you mentioned you can get generational wealth, you 501 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: take it. If you're a team like the Pirates maybe 502 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 1: the Cardinals, right, you're going to invest in something now 503 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: because if not, that talent could be playing somewhere else 504 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: and your fan base is going to see another star 505 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: that started with you playing somewhere else. So there's some risk, 506 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: but I understand it, and I think it's kind of 507 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: win win for both. All Right, you guys are both 508 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: pitchers with a lot of pitching knowledge, not technical no 509 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: how sometimes with the podcast, but pitching no, how I 510 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: want to see Kyle smile. There it is. Dustin May 511 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: has had a couple of starts. A veteran guy, but 512 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: track record of injury, trying to reset, had a really 513 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 1: good spring fastball ninety eight miles an hour, and he's 514 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: had a couple of bad starts. Just your thoughts on 515 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: what to make of that, Kyle, if you were still 516 00:25:58,680 --> 00:25:59,959 Speaker 1: affiliated with the organizem. 517 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 4: Jim, you know what, I knew you were going to 518 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 4: ask this question, and I honestly this is what I 519 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 4: was going to do. I didn't do it because I 520 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 4: thought it was a little rude. I was going to 521 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 4: stop you mid question, say stop it, Jim, all right, 522 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 4: just stop. It's two starts, just stop, all right. So 523 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 4: I'm gonna say this now after the fact, because I 524 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 4: once again I didn't want to be rude. I think 525 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 4: any any worry or any panic can just hold off here, 526 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 4: all right, because it's kind of and honestly, this is man. 527 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 4: I love how this played out. This is exactly why 528 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 4: I wanted to ask Olie and mentioned that five and 529 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 4: four over nine games is a ninety win ball club, 530 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 4: all right, So like we're not just automatically going to say, oh, Wow, 531 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 4: the Cardinals are five and four, son of their ninety wins. 532 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 4: Just like we're not going to say, man, Dustin May 533 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 4: is really struggling. He must stink like no, it's two starts, 534 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 4: all right. He can go out and have two good 535 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 4: starts where he gives up one run a start, and 536 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 4: his era is going to look pretty pretty normal for 537 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,679 Speaker 4: an MLB starter is going to look over a long season. 538 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 4: So no panic, no worry. I think he's gonna be 539 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 4: fine here in five months. Maybe this old turn around 540 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 4: and I'll look like an idiot. I don't know, but 541 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 4: I will refuse until June or July to really maybe 542 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 4: not June end of May, to start talking bad about 543 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 4: players who are struggling, and start, you know, making the 544 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 4: decision time to worry about this player. We signed up 545 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 4: for one sixty two, so let's watch one sixty two. 546 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 1: Fair enough. For the record, I did say two starts. 547 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: I did talk about track record. No one's panicking here. 548 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: I was just asking for a reaction. For example, Jordan 549 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 1: Walker is off to a great start. We talked a 550 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: lot about that. No one's saying he's going to be 551 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: the National League MVP. But as a podcast focused on 552 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: the Cardinals. We're going to talk about what's happening. 553 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 4: I know, sometimes I get a little carried away with 554 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 4: getting on your top of your questions, and I kind 555 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 4: of feel like that's what I'm supposed to do here. 556 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 4: You don't ask Lance those type of questions because you 557 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,360 Speaker 4: know like he's just gonna say something, So you ask 558 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 4: me those questions, and then I feel like I have 559 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 4: to respond, so I apologize. Maybe I got a little 560 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 4: I got a little eager there, but I think some 561 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 4: of it was because I was prepared for the question. 562 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 4: I knew it was coming and I really wanted to 563 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 4: hammer it home, and I probably got a little too 564 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 4: eager there. 565 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: So he did a good job. 566 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 4: I formally apologized. 567 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: You did a good job. Now, look, I'm scared of 568 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: both of you because you're both giants compared to me 569 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: and just a little fellow. But Lance, two games in 570 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: and let me ask you this, because you signed with 571 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: new teams, is there also an element of a guy 572 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: wanting to show he's healthy and to show he still 573 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: has it that maybe could amp him up a little 574 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: too much. 575 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 3: Again, I've never pitched in the big leagues. Just a 576 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,479 Speaker 3: thought your reaction, Yeah, I'll go to a personal thing. 577 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 3: Kyle and I were first teammates in Minnesota. I stunk 578 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 3: in Minnesota. Well, I was the worst. I was late 579 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 3: to spring training just bad. There's really no way to say. 580 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 3: I started turning around mid May, and then I ended 581 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 3: up getting traded and had a really good second half 582 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 3: with the Yankees after I kind of got gotten the 583 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 3: groove and this and that. Dustin's been with a Dodgers 584 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 3: his whole career. Did get traded a little bit last year, 585 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 3: but he got hurt after he got traded, had his 586 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 3: most career innings. First time to free agency. He knows 587 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 3: it's kind of a prove it deal, so there could 588 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 3: be a little bit of pressure. New team knew everything, 589 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 3: and it's not fun when your first time in at 590 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 3: new spring training knew everything. He's throwing the ball well 591 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 3: in spring training, but it is spring training and half 592 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 3: the guys you face every day are not even in 593 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 3: the big leagues right now, so there's a different way 594 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 3: of going about things that he's got to get used to. 595 00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 3: He's got to get used to the catchers, he's got 596 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 3: to get used to the environment that he's in, and 597 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 3: then he just seems to take a deep breath because 598 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 3: it is a long season. It is one sixty two. 599 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 3: I had my worst year ever career wise that year, 600 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 3: and I still ended up with under a five. Vra 601 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 3: started thirty games in one. I started thirty games in 602 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 3: one over ten and I had it and that was 603 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 3: my worst year in my career pretty much. So it 604 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 3: does suck, and it is like an adjustment period. But 605 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 3: the only thing I worry about mentally right I think 606 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 3: he said some things where it's like I'm kind of 607 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 3: lost right now, or you know, I got to figure 608 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 3: it out type thing that scares you a little bit 609 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 3: when you hear him speak like that. But I think 610 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 3: he's also a truth teller where it's like, hey, what 611 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 3: I'm doing right now is not working. I got to 612 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 3: figure something out. But he's kind of he's kind of free, 613 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 3: a little bit of a free spirit, where it's gonna 614 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 3: be like, yeah, I'm lost right now, I'm gonna figure 615 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 3: something out. You can take that as a oh man, 616 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 3: he's never going to figure it out, or this guy's cooked. 617 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 3: It's like, Nah, what's going on right now is not 618 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 3: going to is not working, So I'm gonna figure it 619 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 3: out over the next course of the next one, because 620 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 3: what I got going on is not it. So he's 621 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 3: gonna get walk back in and doing what he does best. 622 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 3: And I think Dusty will do a good job of 623 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 3: kind of writing that ship and helping him there too. 624 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 3: And like I said, it is two starts, not the 625 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 3: best two starts, but you know you can rite all 626 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 3: off three and you're right back where you need to go. 627 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes you get off to a rough start, just 628 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: two starts, we get it. The good news is at 629 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: the Cardinals at this point at the taping of this 630 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: product five and four, and a lot of things going 631 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: in a good direction. Gentlemen, you were brilliant. We had 632 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: Ali on, We put our big bully pants on, except 633 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: for a few shots coming my way in front of 634 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: the manager. Overall, I thought it was informative and entertaining. 635 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: Thank you for your participation, and that's going to do 636 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: it for this edition of Cardinal Territory. We'll see you 637 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: for the next episode and hopefully that one won't suck.