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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.

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Speaker 2: A beautiful little boy just three years old is missing.

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Speaker 2: Have you seen a photo a three year old Elijah View?

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Speaker 2: Because I can't get that photo, that little face looking

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Speaker 2: at me out of my head somewhere out there.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking at him right now.

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Speaker 2: This little boy is waiting for us to find him.

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Speaker 3: Is he dead?

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Speaker 2: Is he alive? Is he alone? Where is Elijah?

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Speaker 4: View?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 2: This is what I know so far, this little missing

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Speaker 2: Wisconsin boy, Elijah. His mom says he was a quote

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Speaker 2: disciplinary problem. Well, I think she's the disciplinary. This little

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Speaker 2: boy was sent away to a quote boot camp to

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Speaker 2: quote teach him to be a man, where he would

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Speaker 2: have to stand in the corner for hours on end

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Speaker 2: without being allowed to sit down and repeat over and over.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, mommy, I'm sorry, mommy. I'm sorry, mommy, I'm sorry, mommy.

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Speaker 2: If I could get my hands around this woman's neck,

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Speaker 2: I would definitely be charged with murder.

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Speaker 3: One. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories

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Speaker 2: and on Serious XEM one eleven?

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Speaker 3: Where is he?

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Speaker 2: Mommy was known to send him away just to get away.

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Speaker 3: From her own son. First of all, I.

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Speaker 2: Want you to hear what we know right now from

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Speaker 2: the police chief.

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Speaker 3: Listen, this child.

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Speaker 5: Three years old and was reported missing a cold winter

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Speaker 5: temperature day with only a blanket and possibly light clothing,

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Speaker 5: and we knew at that time possibly three to four hours.

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Speaker 5: I define that as endangered. I immediately reached out, with

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Speaker 5: the assistance of my staff, to the Division of Criminal Investigation.

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Speaker 6: This is not about me. This has always been about.

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Speaker 5: Bringing Elijah home, and quickly they led that investigation into

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Speaker 5: his warebouts with the support of our FBI. We also

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Speaker 5: utilized almost any boat.

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Speaker 6: UTV, drone, canaheine.

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Speaker 5: And even National Guard helicopters to search for Elijah.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Elijah wasn't with me an all star panel to

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Speaker 2: make sense of what we know right now. But first

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Speaker 2: to Ayisha Morales joining us WBAYTV two out of Green Bay,

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Speaker 2: you should thank you for being with us. I want

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Speaker 2: to talk about, first of all, when did he go

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Speaker 2: missing go missing?

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Speaker 3: And when was he reported missing?

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Speaker 2: What do we know, Aisha kise those two moments in

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Speaker 2: time could be very very different.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So initially when we got these reports, we were

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Speaker 7: learning that it was February twentieth, so a week ago. Yesterday,

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Speaker 7: February twentieth. From what we know now with the criminal complaints,

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Speaker 7: there is a discrepancy, and we reported on that here

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Speaker 7: in Green Bay and talking about how Vang initially told

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Speaker 7: police that he went missing around eleven am on February twentieth,

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Speaker 7: and then the story did change a little bit, and

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Speaker 7: now we know that he actually went missing around eight am.

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Speaker 7: And as you know, any minute.

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Speaker 3: A child is gone, it matters.

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Speaker 7: And so there was that first discrepancy with regards to

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Speaker 7: the time that he disappeared, or at least the time

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Speaker 7: that he was reported missing by Van himself.

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Speaker 2: Hold On, so one report he was missing, he was

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Speaker 2: gone at eight am on Feb twenty.

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Speaker 3: What was the other time? I didn't get that. When

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Speaker 3: was that?

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Speaker 7: Eleven am?

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Speaker 3: Was the initial report?

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Speaker 2: Feb twenty is a Tuesday. I'm trying to figure out.

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Speaker 2: So there's a big discrepancy between eleven am and eight am.

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Speaker 2: And a lot of people may think, oh, that's just

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Speaker 2: four hours. Let me tell you something. Somebody driving sixty

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Speaker 2: miles an hour times four, that's two hundred and forty

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Speaker 2: miles before he's reported missing. And I've got another problem

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Speaker 2: with that. Let me go out to Thomas E. Fisher

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Speaker 2: joining us. Former Milwaukee PD police detective now owner of

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Speaker 2: Thomas Fisher Investigations dot com. Thomas, thank you for being

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Speaker 2: with us. I have a problem with that because I

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Speaker 2: five am, my son gets up at seven five am.

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Speaker 3: And I know they're up because I go and check

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Speaker 2: So how can you, at the best, Thomas Fisher, how

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Speaker 2: can you not know where your child is for four

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Speaker 2: hours between eight three hours between eight and eleven if

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Speaker 3: Right there, I got a problem.

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Speaker 8: That's a very good point. Basically, you have somebody that

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Speaker 8: was not watching this child or transport of this child

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Speaker 8: someplace else. Based on what we know and what the

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Speaker 8: investigation has revealed to date, is that he was disciplined.

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Speaker 8: Disciplined that should not be given to a three year old.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, Thomas Fisher, you are the former Milwaukee

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Speaker 2: police do take I mean, you are the owner, let

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Speaker 2: me say, a highly successful private investigative firm. But you

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Speaker 2: left out another glaring possibility they're lying.

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Speaker 3: You said either they weren't.

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Speaker 2: Watching them or something about the time discrepancy or they're lying,

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Speaker 2: And can I just point out to you, Daryl Cohen,

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Speaker 2: jumping off what Fisher just said. You're the former prosecutor,

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Speaker 2: now veteran defense attorney, Darryl Cohen.

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Speaker 3: What do you do?

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Speaker 2: How do you explain that to a jury, if there

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Speaker 2: ever is one, How you weren't watching your child in

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Speaker 2: your own home.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's not that hard in your own home

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Speaker 2: Child is for three hours coincidentally, on the very day

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Speaker 2: he goes missing. A three year old shouldn't be out

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Speaker 2: of your sight, Darryl Nancy.

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Speaker 9: The age of three, he or she in this case,

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Speaker 9: he doesn't have to be out of your sight for

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Speaker 9: you to know where he is because you hear the

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Speaker 9: noises that he's making, the absolute chaos that comes with

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Speaker 9: a three year old. So you don't explain that to

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Speaker 9: a jury. You have to keep your damn big mouth

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Speaker 9: shut and not say anything. But it's really sad that

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Speaker 9: he has disappeared, and we hope that he will be

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Speaker 9: located and located, alive and located. Okay, there's no excuse

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Speaker 9: for parenting the way she was trying to do it. It's

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Speaker 9: non parenting. It's prosecutable nonparenting. You don't have to see

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Speaker 9: your child. Just because you think your child's in the

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Speaker 9: house doesn't mean he is in the house. You can

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Speaker 9: be in the kitchen, he may or may not be

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Speaker 9: in his bedroom. You don't have to look at him

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Speaker 9: all of the time, you don't have to hear him

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Speaker 9: all of the time. You don't have to be with

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Speaker 9: him all the time, and suddenly when you go look

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Speaker 9: for him, he's not there. That's reasonable, that's explainable. It's

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Speaker 9: something that you have to deal with.

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Speaker 3: Dearyl Cabin. Where exactly did you go to a wat?

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Speaker 6: I think the.

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Speaker 9: Same place you did that, and that's probably in Macon, Georgia, Sir.

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Speaker 2: And NYU because obviously you didn't get the class on

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Speaker 2: BS technical legal term.

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Speaker 3: Good luck telling that to you a jury. You don't

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Speaker 2: See your child to know that he's okay in you know,

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Speaker 2: it's a miracle. I've met your daughters, beautiful, It's a

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Speaker 2: miracle they grew up safe and sound and apparently sane

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Speaker 2: when daddy didn't know where they were half the time.

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Speaker 3: Let's get back on this case. I'm wandering for a field.

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Speaker 2: I want to hear more of what the police have

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Speaker 2: to say about their search efforts, and think about it.

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Speaker 2: A three year old little boy, Aisha Morales, w Bay

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Speaker 2: and Thomas Fisher, joining eat side of Milwaukee. What were

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Speaker 2: the temperatures around this time feb twenty Tuesday morning, eight

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Speaker 3: But what was the temp? How cold is it there?

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Speaker 7: It was a mild day actually in comparison to other

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Speaker 7: February days. We do remember that, But we also know

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Speaker 7: that he is forty five pounds or so. So anything

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Speaker 7: below fifty degrees forty degrees, even though it's mild for

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Speaker 7: Wisconsin standards, it was still pretty chilly. You would need

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Speaker 7: from what I understand, didn't have that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, wait a minute. You call thirty degrees mild. We

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Speaker 2: Okay, I understand that where I'm from, that is like

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Speaker 2: you're in the Antarctic at thirty degrees. Okay, So for me,

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Speaker 2: thirty degrees is cold, and I'm wondering how that would

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Speaker 2: have affected this child hypothermia wise. But I'm opening up

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Speaker 2: a whole other can of worms. Let's get back to

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Speaker 2: the search. Listen again to police Chief, be in my heart.

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Speaker 5: Those leads, those investigations. Everything we've taken as tips have

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Speaker 5: led to searching our neighborhoods, searching all our waterways, are

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Speaker 5: foot canvases both urban and rural, throughout Manage, to our

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Speaker 5: And we've even had additional leads in Wisconsin. Does in

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Speaker 5: addition to all those search efforts, I almost other investigations

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Speaker 5: taking place. I can confirm Elijah's mother, Katrina Bauer, is

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Speaker 5: in jail on charges of child negleck and obstructing. Katrina's boyfriend,

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Speaker 5: Jesse Bang is in jail on charges of child negleck.

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Speaker 5: And I do know that Elijah's father has also been

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Speaker 5: incarcerated at Oshkosh Correctional Institute in unrelated matters since twenty

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Speaker 2: Did this kid ever have a chance? That's what I'm

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Speaker 2: trying to figure out.

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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Elijah view three years old. I've seen Feb. Twenty after

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Speaker 2: being sent to a quote boot camp to be disciplined

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Speaker 2: by his mom's boyfriend. Last seen wearing gray pants, dark

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Speaker 3: Slip on shoes.

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Speaker 2: May have his red and white plaid blanket. That's a

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Speaker 2: blanket he's had he was a little baby. I've seen

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Speaker 2: him in photos holding the blanket up to his face.

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Speaker 2: Joining me is Mike Hatsel, President founder Peace River Canine

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Speaker 2: Search and Rescue. Do you remember when Kelly Anthony was found?

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Speaker 2: She was murdered by her mother, tot mom Casey Anthony.

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Speaker 2: She was wrapped in her favorite I believe it was

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Speaker 2: a Disney princess, could have been a Winni the Pooh blanket.

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Speaker 3: She had that with her.

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Speaker 2: And you know what, that's a sign of Mike Hatzel

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Speaker 2: that someone connected to the child killed in Berry disposed

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Speaker 3: Belonging with the child when it.

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Speaker 2: Is discarded or disposed. Mike hadseel. What should the search

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Speaker 2: be encompassing? This is cold, it's in two rivers, Wisconsin.

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Speaker 2: There's bodies of water. You hear that they're out boots

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Speaker 2: on the ground. They've been walking the neighborhoods. They've searched

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Speaker 2: the water waste. I don't know to what extent have

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Speaker 2: they used sonar?

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Speaker 3: Have they used divers?

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Speaker 2: To me, waterways or a forest would be an obvious

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Speaker 2: choice to dispose of a child. I'm still praying he's alive.

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Speaker 2: Mike hadsell where is he where?

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Speaker 10: You have two options on this, so we have to

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Speaker 10: want to assume that he's alive and he ran away.

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Speaker 6: So if he did that, A round of that age

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Speaker 6: don't wander far from home.

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Speaker 10: They just want to get out of site because they

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Speaker 10: want to scare the parent and you know, shake things up,

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Speaker 10: and so usually we find that within a half a

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Speaker 10: building or sheds, things like that. That's usually where we

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Speaker 10: locate him because you're going to try to stay warm.

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Speaker 10: On the other side, if something infarious happened and the

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Speaker 4: They had love.

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Speaker 2: Where is that landfill as it relates to where the

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Speaker 2: Why in the world what a woman picked this guy

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Speaker 3: What's on his rap sheet?

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Speaker 7: There's a lot of different charges including child abuse for sure,

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Speaker 2: And that's who is going to take care of your child?

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Speaker 2: Joining me right now, Special guests from childhelp dot org.

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Speaker 2: joining US Director Communications, Megan. Do you know how many

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Speaker 2: Elijah Vu, But yet these two keep him? And did

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Speaker 2: you see what they did to quote, discipline him, make

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Mommy, I'm sorry, Mummy, I'm sorry, mummy. Forced

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Speaker 2: to take coal showers, stand for hours on end, stay

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Speaker 2: I don't understand with all of these mugshots, all of

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's heartbreaking, and you wonder we have seen those

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Speaker 3: He was well dressed. So it just wonders what happened.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm sorry, I rarely disagree with you, Megan Crime,

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Speaker 2: But yet when they went home, they were shackled to

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Speaker 3: They looked great on the outside.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, putting on a show for everyone else to make

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Speaker 2: I wonder if I wonder if anybody else even knew

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 5: This child was three years old and was reported missing

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Speaker 2: You darn right it's in danger. But now I want

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Speaker 11: February twenty ten, fifty nine am. Jesse Vain calls nine

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Speaker 11: He is last seen wearing gray sweatpants, a long sleeved

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Speaker 3: Tom.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever noticed how many children just disappear while

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that doesn't happen too often. No, I've seen cases

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Speaker 3: A lie. Yes, why this guy?

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Speaker 2: Out of all the men in the universe, she picks

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Speaker 2: Police asking for help, take a listen to Rachel Bonilla

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Speaker 12: The search continues for Elijah VU, with many in the

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Speaker 3: And family is pleading for help. Listen on, behalf.

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Speaker 8: Of my family.

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Speaker 13: We stay in before you to date with having heart's

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Speaker 9: Because each moment.

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Speaker 13: Passes we he moves up Elias to safety. To anyone

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Speaker 13: Your courage, your compassion, your willingness to speak of may

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Speaker 2: You're hearing Elijah's aunt. It's certainly not his mother or

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Speaker 2: asking for him to be found. That's a whole other

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Speaker 14: Bauer's boyfriend, thirty nine year old Jesse Bang has been

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Speaker 14: Bang discipline Elijah Vu, helping to teach him to be

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Speaker 1: Time stories with me. It's he grace too.

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Speaker 2: Darryl Cohen, former felony prosecutor now defense attorney, joining us

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Speaker 2: out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Darryl question to you, do

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Speaker 2: you think just go with me on this. What's the

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Speaker 2: life likelihood that these two, the mommy and her convicted

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Speaker 2: fella boyfriend, were torturing the boy in his boot camp

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Speaker 9: No, Nancy, it's not. But on the other hand, what

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Speaker 9: are we talking about torture? Is it extreme discipline? Is

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Speaker 9: this really torture? Do you think his mom or his

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Speaker 9: quote mom's boyfriend would torture him. They were wrong in

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Speaker 9: what they did, but that's not torture. And could he

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Speaker 9: have wandered out on his own, of course he could.

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Speaker 9: It happens. Unfortunately all of the time, close your eyes,

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Speaker 9: turn your head, and your child is gone. That can happen. Now,

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Speaker 9: why she didn't report it earlier? Who knows. Maybe she

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Speaker 9: And that doesn't mean that she knew that the boyfriend

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Speaker 9: it is for these two people. As the evidence unfolds,

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Speaker 9: will see but I can't prejudge them. I don't see

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Speaker 3: Torture either, Darryl.

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Speaker 2: I don't give a flying fig about these two people.

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Speaker 2: I don't care what happens to them. You're right about that.

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Speaker 2: I don't care. I want to find this boy and

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Speaker 2: it's their fault. And how you with a straight face, Look,

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Speaker 9: How do you know that's the truth? How do you

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Speaker 9: know that what you hear is they really made him

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Speaker 9: do that? Who told you this? Where do we gather

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Speaker 3: People, you know what.

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Speaker 2: Let's ask the reporter, Aisha Morales, where's the where's that

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Speaker 2: knowledge coming from?

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Speaker 3: Aisha.

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Speaker 7: It's hard because we have a whole timeline dating back

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Speaker 7: as far as November so Thanksgiving, at the end of

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Speaker 7: the year of twenty twenty three. That's when Bauer told

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Speaker 7: her boyfriend about the lore that far. And then you're

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Speaker 7: talking about the days that led up to Elijah's disappearance

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Speaker 7: or what we're told is this disappearance. What was reported

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Speaker 7: February fourteenth is when Bauer eventually told investigators she was

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Speaker 7: in two rivers. That's where Elijah went missing for a

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Speaker 7: period of time. And then the thing is that we

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Speaker 7: haven't really mentioned a whole lot is that she would

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Speaker 7: go back and forth between two rivers checking in on Elijah,

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Speaker 7: who was getting this discipline according to this criminal complaint

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Speaker 7: from her boyfriend, and then she'd go back to Wisconsin

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Speaker 7: Dell's which Nancy, it's about three hours away, so she

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Speaker 7: was not very close to her son at the time.

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Speaker 3: There was the February fourteenth.

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Speaker 7: February six, nineteen. Bang says he was punishinghing Elijah by

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Speaker 7: making him stand near him while.

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Speaker 2: He watched a movie before Darren Cohen. His last bust

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Speaker 2: was in twenty twenty three. That was last year. It

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Speaker 2: wasn't that long ago. And as far as d ui,

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Speaker 2: but I don't care if you sold cocaine yesterday or

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Speaker 2: ten years ago. You're not babysitting for my children. Bam, there,

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Speaker 2: there you go. And as far as where are we

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Speaker 2: getting the information right now, the mom and the boyfriend

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Speaker 2: are sitting behind bars on other charges related to mistreating

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Speaker 2: this child. The mother, thirty one year old Katrina Bauer,

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Speaker 2: arrested two days after Elijah goes missing, charge with felony,

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Speaker 2: child neglect and obstructing police. Currently unemployed. Surprise Jesse Vang

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Speaker 2: the lover he's behind bars right now too, and he

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Speaker 2: is charged with mistreating the child. As well. So what

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Speaker 2: do you mean where am I getting my information? I'm

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Speaker 2: getting my information for what the cops put and an

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Speaker 2: arrest warrant. So are you doing the whole oj Simpson defense.

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Speaker 2: The cops are lying, The cops planted the evidence. It's

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Speaker 2: a big conspiracy.

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Speaker 9: The cops made the arrest. The police made the arrest.

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Speaker 9: That doesn't mean the information they made the arrest on

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Speaker 9: is accurate. Where did it come from?

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Speaker 3: Guys?

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Speaker 2: We are trying to help find Elijah View, a three

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Speaker 2: year old little boy. The tip line is eight four

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Speaker 2: four to six seven and six six four eight And

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Speaker 2: speaking of what the parent? Oh yes, and there's a

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Speaker 2: sixteen thousand dollars reward. As a matter of fact, let's

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Speaker 2: take a listen to Chief being Minor describing that reward.

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Speaker 5: Today, the FBI has now provided an additional reward up

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Speaker 5: to fifteen thousand dollars for information leading to the location

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Speaker 5: in return of Elijah bud and or the arresting conviction

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Speaker 5: of any individual or individuals responsible or involved with his disappearance.

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Speaker 3: So there you go.

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Speaker 2: I find that really disingenuous. Thomas Fisher, former MILWAUKPD now

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Speaker 2: private Eye to say they weren't torturing this child? And

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Speaker 2: where do you get the information? And the police are

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Speaker 2: probably lying.

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Speaker 3: A talented the police for lying.

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Speaker 8: You know, you get this type of information through taking

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Speaker 8: statements from the individuals involved. You're talking to other people

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Speaker 8: that have knowledge what's going on, or we have some

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Speaker 8: knowledge of what's going on. To sit out here and

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Speaker 8: see the police are lying and putting this in a

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Speaker 8: criminal complaint, you know that doesn't fly.

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Speaker 3: The parents.

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Speaker 8: I just said, there are two terrible people and what

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Speaker 8: we need to do is let this criminal justice system

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Speaker 8: take care of them down the line. But right now

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Speaker 8: we need to find that child.

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Speaker 2: I want to go back to Mike Catshill joining us

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Speaker 2: from Peace River Canine Search and Rescue. Mike, I know

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Speaker 2: that there has been a as I issue described it

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Speaker 2: a landfill search that cooled off. But at this juncture,

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Speaker 2: don't you think starting at the apartment complex and going

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Speaker 2: out with canines would be helpful.

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Speaker 10: It was in the first couple of weeks after the investment,

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Speaker 10: after the child I'm missing, you're want to use the

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Speaker 10: canines at that point. However, the weather doesn't play well

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Speaker 10: to canines when the temperature drops down below thirty two

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Speaker 10: degrees into those lower temperatures, the dogs become effective because

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Speaker 10: they're just not enough odoor available for the dogs to

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Speaker 10: work properly. So you have to wait for the good

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Speaker 10: weather date. What do you mean by that, Well, for

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Speaker 10: a kidaber dog, you have to have at least thirty

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Speaker 10: eight degrees to get the dogs work well.

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Speaker 6: Take your freezer at home.

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Speaker 10: You put the meat in the freezer, the meat freezes,

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Speaker 10: it doesn't smell anymore. The same problem with human remains

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Speaker 10: in the field. You've got to wait for it at

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Speaker 10: least get up over thirty eight degrees for the dogs

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Speaker 10: to be able to work effectively. They may bump into something.

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Speaker 10: If you're doing a tight grid, you might get lucky.

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Speaker 10: But even in the water work, if the water's too cold,

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Speaker 10: it's going to be hard to get odor up for

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Speaker 10: the dogs to be effective.

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Speaker 6: So that's one thing they're using. Helicopters are using drones.

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Speaker 10: If they're using thermal camera cameras, which I'm assuming they

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Speaker 10: were thermal drones, the temperature between if the boys alive,

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Speaker 10: you're going to get a really good heat signature from that.

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Speaker 6: If the boys remains are out there, again, we.

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Speaker 10: Have to look at the latch rate when it was

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Speaker 10: warm versus when it was cold, can we still find remain?

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Speaker 6: So if it's you know, it has a lot to

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Speaker 6: do with the weather.

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Speaker 10: And unfortunately up there in Wisconsin they're having a wild

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Speaker 10: winter this year. It's sixty five degrees one day and

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Speaker 10: twelve degrees the next. So it's interesting to see how

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Speaker 10: well they would be able to find out landfill searches

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Speaker 10: as you brought them up. It may have cooled down

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Speaker 10: on that because landfill searches are a nightmare and they

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Speaker 10: take a lot of manpower and a lot of time

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Speaker 10: to do them effectively. You basically have to take all

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Speaker 10: the trash out from that day, You have to spread

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Speaker 10: it out in sections. You have to have about twenty

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Speaker 10: people to go through it all and along with the

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Speaker 10: cadaver dogs to try to look and find what you're

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Speaker 10: looking for. So it's a very expensive and labor intensive thing,

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Speaker 10: which is probably why I cooled off, because they don't

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Speaker 10: want to spend the money right now to do it

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Speaker 10: until they're really sure that they have nothing else to

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Speaker 10: look at.

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Speaker 2: They grandmother of three year old Elijah vu View, has

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Speaker 2: just spoken out in the last twenty four hours, emotional crying,

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Speaker 2: begging to help find Elijah View. This three year old

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Speaker 2: boy was reported missing Feb. Twenty by Jesse Vang, the

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Speaker 2: boyfriend of Elijah's mother, who told police she had sent

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Speaker 2: her son, her three year old, to stay with Vang

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Speaker 2: so he could teach the three year old boy quote

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Speaker 2: how to be a man that is in the criminal

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Speaker 2: complaint filed at the county level. Van then tells police

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Speaker 2: he was taking a nap and miraculously, coincidentally oddly wakes

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Speaker 2: up to find the baby is gone. Now both Vang

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Speaker 2: and View's mother, Katrina Bauer, have been in lock up

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Speaker 2: on charges of child neglect.

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Speaker 3: The family is begging.

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Speaker 2: A child missing, says Chief Ben Minart for any amount

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Speaker 2: of time is every parent's worst nightmare. Hundreds of resources

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00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: have been used in the search. Drones, helicopters, k nines

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Speaker 2: all used across the entire county and beyond Aisha Morales.

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Speaker 2: When the chief says county and beyond, where else are

581
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Speaker 2: they looking?

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Speaker 7: They have been going now in multiple counties. It's not

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Speaker 7: just where he went missing. It is now even as

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Speaker 7: far as the Milwaukee area, even into central Wisconsin, which

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Speaker 7: is about three hours away, where Bauer herself was going

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Speaker 7: back and forth from.

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Speaker 6: So she was from what.

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Speaker 3: It seems according to this complaints, she was not.

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Speaker 7: There that day. She was there the days before, but

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Speaker 7: not that day that he went missing. So, because she

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Speaker 7: was in Wisconsin Dells three hours three hours away and

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Speaker 7: they have resources elsewhere, they're just searching far beyond where

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Speaker 7: he went missing.

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Speaker 3: In that I know this, uh.

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Speaker 2: The county Sheriff, Dan Hartwig closed his press conference in

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Speaker 2: the final pleach to the public and was fighting back

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00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: tears as he thought of this missing three year old boy.

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Speaker 2: There is now a sixteen thousand dollars reward in the

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Speaker 2: search for three year old Elijah Vue. Tip line eight

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Speaker 2: four four two sixty seven sixty six four eight repeat

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Speaker 2: eight four four two six seven sixty six four eight.

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Speaker 2: Please help us bring Elijah Vue home.

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Speaker 3: Goodbye friend,