1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. We have an exciting 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: guest for you today, Jennifer Say. She is an author, 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: a filmmaker, a business executive, and a former national champion gymnast. 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: She went from being a seven time member of the 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: US national gymnastics team to the brand president of Levi 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: Strauss and now she's launched her own brand, which I 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: am really excited about. And Jennifer, I don't know if 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: you know this, but I have four girls and they're 9 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: all in sports. So thank you so much for coming 10 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: on today. 11 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I did know it. I just read about it, 12 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 2: so I'm sure you are invested in protecting women's sports 13 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 2: as we all should be. Thank you for having me. 14 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. I mean I think that it's been the 15 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: most shocking thing to see what has been going on 16 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 1: with this whole movement to have men compete against women. 17 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: And I'm just watching right now. I think that as 18 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: we see the track season ending, and Track has kind 19 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: of I feel like Track kind of started this with 20 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: the whole Connecticut story of the girls who ended up 21 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: losing to the boys there and now here we are 22 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: again track season and all of these girls, you just 23 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: see them sitting next to these men who are running 24 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: is completely unfair. And these guys are taking these spots 25 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: on the winner's pedestal while the girls have to look 26 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:18,919 Speaker 1: up and pretend like it's okay. And it's not okay. 27 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 2: No, it's not okay, and it you know, from my perspective, 28 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 2: this is not a part is an issue. This is 29 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: a matter of truth. And you know, up until about 30 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: five minutes ago, we could all agree that male and 31 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: female bodies were different, and that men are faster and stronger. 32 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 2: That's why Title nine happened. That's why we had, up 33 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 2: until very recently, you know, protections for women's sports and spaces, 34 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 2: so that they had the opportunity to compete and the 35 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 2: opportunity to win on an even playing field, to make 36 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 2: the team, to get a trophy, all of those things, 37 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 2: to participate on a fair and even playing field. And 38 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 2: that's all being thrown out the window. And what we're 39 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: being asked to sort of consent to is a lie, 40 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 2: the most fundamental lie. I can imagine that there is 41 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: no difference between men and women. If you say you're 42 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 2: a woman, you're a woman, I mean you and I 43 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 2: come from different sides of the Aisle. I don't think 44 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 2: that matters. I just got back from Scranton, Pennsylvania, of 45 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,679 Speaker 2: all places where we kicked off a bus tour. We're 46 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 2: doing rallies across the country to rally on behalf of 47 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 2: taking back Title nine. This was the most ideological diverse, 48 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 2: ideologically diverse group of women I can imagine. We had 49 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 2: women from the far left. We had women who don't 50 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 2: know what they are anymore where they fit that's me. 51 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 2: We had women that were you on the right, but 52 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: we all agree on the simple fact that men and 53 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 2: women are different, and women deserve fairness, safety, and privacy. 54 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 2: It's really that simple. 55 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: That's what I think is the key here is this 56 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: is not political. This is about women's rights and they're 57 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: being taken away. And the fact that there are any 58 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: people out there that say, if you are again against 59 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: men in women's sports, then you're the problem. It's shocking 60 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: to me. So talk to me a little bit about 61 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: Title nine because I think some changes were recently made. 62 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: There's some confusion over that. Can you kind of explain 63 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: it in terms that our audience will understand. 64 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 2: Absolutely? So, Title nine was this landmark legislation that happened 65 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy two, Republicans, Democrats, everybody came together to 66 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: legislate equality within the educational system for women. This was 67 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 2: about protecting sex based rights. That's the explicit meaning of 68 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 2: Title nine. And while the most famous aspect of it 69 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 2: is around sports, it really was built around the entire 70 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 2: educational system. It's hard for people to understand, but before 71 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 2: nineteen seventy two there were colleges where there were certain 72 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 2: majors women were not permitted to participate in because they 73 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 2: were considered male. There were certain activities in elementary school 74 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 2: that girls were not allowed to participate in, the av club, 75 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: for instance, because that was considered male. So this was 76 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: about protecting girls and young women adolescens throughout the educational 77 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 2: system and giving them the same opportunities to succeed as 78 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 2: their male counterparts. Now, sports was the most famous aspect 79 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 2: of it, that's the part we all know, and it 80 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 2: was about investment in girls being able to play sports. 81 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 2: You had to have investment at equal level to boys. 82 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 2: So this is when we saw the sort of explosion 83 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 2: of girls and young women's sports programs and the benefit 84 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 2: of this, I mean the benefit of young girls participating 85 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,559 Speaker 2: in sports even if they never compete at the elite 86 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 2: level like I did. They have better self esteem, they 87 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 2: have better body image, they're more likely to graduate from 88 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 2: high school, they're less likely to get pregnant in high school. 89 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 2: I mean, the benefits go on and on and on. 90 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 2: So I am very invested in protecting this for young girls. 91 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 2: And of course I started gymnastics in nineteen seventy four, 92 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: just two years after Title nine, so certainly and the 93 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: beneficiary of it. So to cut to the chase, there 94 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: was a rewrite recently issued by the Department, by Biden's 95 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 2: Department of Education to Title nine. It sort of smuggled in. 96 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 2: It wasn't legislated, it was just rewritten. And now gender 97 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 2: identity replaces essentially sex based rights. So if a male 98 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 2: says I am female, they must be permitted then into 99 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 2: women's spaces, locker rooms, into sororities, you know, into women's sports. 100 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 2: And if they are not permitted, that is considered harassment, 101 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: and the university or the elementary school, or the college 102 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 2: or middle school, federal funds can be withdrawn for that harassment. 103 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 2: And I'll go one step further. The person the organization 104 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 2: accused of harassment will will not enjoy any due process, 105 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 2: it will be just decided by an individual. So this 106 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 2: is problematic on so many levels. There's also a compelled 107 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: speech aspect to this, because it could be considered harassment 108 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 2: if you don't use preferred pronouns. So you know, it's 109 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 2: problematic on so many levels. But most fundamentally, it is 110 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 2: problematic because it completely decimates the meaning of Title nine, 111 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 2: which was to protect sex based rights. 112 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: Now, and I want identity, and I want to get 113 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: into what you said about Title nine and how this 114 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: changed the world for women, because I think it goes 115 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: well beyond what people think some of the things you 116 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: were noting. It prepares you for adulthood in a way 117 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: that women didn't have those options before. Because being a 118 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: part of a team prepares you to lead, It prepares 119 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: you to be in a workplace, it prepares you to 120 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: move up the ranks. And look at your situation. I 121 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: mean here, you were a part of a gymnastics team 122 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: and then end up being the person who is in 123 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: line to run a huge corporation. Those are things that 124 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: I think that women Those are advantages women didn't have 125 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: until Title nine went into effect. Women then were able 126 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: to be a part of these groups were taken more serious. 127 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: But also it wasn't just that you were a part 128 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: of the group and you learned. It was that men 129 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: got to see that women had a group and they 130 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,239 Speaker 1: had a place, and they could be leaders as well. 131 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: I think overall it was teaching people that women are 132 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: at the same level as men when it comes to 133 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: intelligence and ability to be a part of a group. 134 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: And then you train women just like you train men 135 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: in those ways, and then you can work together in 136 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:28,119 Speaker 1: the workplace. But this is taking that chance away because 137 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: if you, as a woman are competing against men, you 138 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: are always held back. You can never achieve. 139 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: In the athletics sphere, the biggest determinant of athletic performance 140 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 2: is sex, not gender. Not gonna say gender. Sex, that's 141 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 2: the biggest determinant. Males on average, by a vast degree, 142 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:56,679 Speaker 2: are faster and stronger than females, and so my fear, 143 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 2: and I think it is a warranted fear, And I'm 144 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 2: not generally a huge fan slippery slope arguments, but that 145 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: thing they say is never happening, as you mentioned in 146 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: the beginning, keeps happening. Males keep winning, they keep taking 147 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 2: trophies and births and team spots and all of it, 148 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 2: and scholarships and endorsement deals from women because they say 149 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 2: they are female. It keeps happening. There's over six hundred 150 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 2: examples in the last few years alone, and it's only 151 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 2: accelerating as gender ideology sort of infiltrates our schools and 152 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 2: our culture, etc. So it's only going to get worse. 153 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 2: And my fear is if girls and women don't believe 154 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 2: they have an even playing field, why would they participate. 155 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 2: You're just going to stop, and so then they lose 156 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 2: all the benefits you described. The other larger fear, sorry, 157 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 2: is what underpins this sort of way of thinking, is 158 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 2: that there is no difference between male and female bodies, 159 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 2: and so wh at some point you won't have sex 160 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 2: based categories and sports. You just do away with them, 161 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 2: and then women will never have the opportunity to make 162 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 2: a team never, they just won't make the team. 163 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: Well, and you won't have safe for women. I mean, 164 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: it goes. It's starting to get out of control with 165 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: these men in women's spaces. There's also danger associated with that. 166 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: How do you actually vet these people? I mean, we 167 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: used to just have it was inherently the inherent that 168 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 1: you were safe in your locker room, you were safe 169 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: in the public restroom. And people who are also again saying, oh, 170 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 1: this is this is not actually happening. I call bs 171 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: on that it has happened. And we're the ones that 172 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: are sitting here going where are all the men who 173 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: were used to stand up and defend us and say, well, 174 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: wait a minute, you're not going to hurt women. We're 175 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: going to actually lift women up. And that to me 176 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: is very frustrating. I'm at the point where I'm like, Okay, 177 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 1: I'm done trying to be nice about this, because you 178 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: are hurting us and women are being and I can't 179 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: believe the amount of people in society who are just 180 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: like I mean, you know, I don't want to say anything. 181 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to be considered a bigot. I don't 182 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 1: want it to be considered a phobia. But when do 183 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: we say, in general, this has gone too far. And 184 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: I love the fact that you mentioned that we're on 185 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: opposite sides of the aisle, but you were somewhat vocal 186 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,839 Speaker 1: about things that were going on with COVID and other things. 187 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 188 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. So I wanted to read through 189 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: your Twitter account and you put something. I don't know 190 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: if it was today or a couple of days ago, 191 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: but there was this tweet that someone put out about 192 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: now these transgender people are putting tomato juice up inside 193 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: of their bodies so they can mimic having a period, 194 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: which to me, I read this and I'm like, it's 195 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:43,719 Speaker 1: so insulting. It's so the mockery is so intense and 196 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: so insulting that you think that you're going to do 197 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 1: this and then you will understand what women are going through. 198 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: But I loved nothing more than your response, and I 199 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: just have to read it because it was hilarious. What 200 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: are these folks going to do when they turned fifty plus? 201 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: Set themselves on fire from the inside to mimic hot flashes, 202 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: set an alarm every hour, and to wake up and 203 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: make sure they're exhausted from sleeplessness. Like, honestly, I think 204 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: about what we go through as women, and I'm like, okay, men, 205 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: you could actually never deal with it, so why are 206 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: you trying? 207 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 2: It's my I think I wrote, you know before that tweet, 208 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 2: which is you know I'm experiencing now, is it's like 209 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 2: my health challenges. My challenges of being a woman are 210 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 2: not your fetish. Leave me alone. You know, getting my 211 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 2: period every month for how many years, thirty five years, 212 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 2: forty years, whatever it is, being pregnant. I too, was 213 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:44,599 Speaker 2: pregnant four times a blessing, very challenging, especially you know 214 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 2: you're working full time, you're taking care of the other 215 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: children once you have them. It's not your fetish to 216 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 2: try to pretend that you are like me. And you know, 217 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 2: I generally avoid commenting, which I said in my original 218 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 2: tweet on some of the like really tzarro things that 219 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 2: I see on Twitter, with the really sort of fetishistic 220 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 2: kind of things that some trans people are doing. But 221 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 2: this one just blew me away and I couldn't help it. 222 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,719 Speaker 2: I don't even want to say what it said, but 223 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 2: it was about sort of how to mimic a period 224 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 2: each month by using tomato juice and taking laxatives to 225 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 2: mirror cramps. 226 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 1: No, that's exactly how I feel, and I think, I 227 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: mean for everybody who's saying this is an uncomfortable conversation 228 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: as a woman when you watch these people who are 229 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 1: like I think I'm heavy my period and I have 230 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: so many crimps, like First of all, you literally don't 231 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: have the parts to have any understanding. And for people 232 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: out there that are saying you can have an understanding, 233 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: you don't. You don't have an understanding. You don't know 234 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 1: what the emotions are that we're going through. But I 235 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 1: think it goes deeper than that. I think that it's 236 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: a mockery. But then there's also this issue where other 237 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 1: people are getting pulled into this because they see that 238 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: it's getting attention. We live in a society right now 239 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: that is driven by negative attention. If I can, if 240 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: I can be something outrageous and then people will love me, 241 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 1: and I get splashed across all of the social media 242 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: and I go viral, and there's an obsession with that 243 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: and some of these things that are so ridiculous and 244 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 1: they are mocking and they're truly hurting society. They've become 245 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: like this place for folks who feel like I just 246 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: need to be seen and heard and bigger and bigger, 247 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: and it's creating young people who are then going to 248 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: these clinics and they're getting medications and gosh, why aren't 249 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: we just outraged by the fact that we are hurting people. 250 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, There's been a consistency in 251 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 2: the things that I've stood up for. I have a pension. 252 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 2: You know, we didn't go into sort of my full background, 253 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 2: but I have a pench and a sort of standing up. 254 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 2: And I think it's my naivete that gets me in 255 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 2: trouble because I see a thing that's true and I'm like, well, 256 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 2: I'm just going to say it because you know, especially 257 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 2: if it's you know that children are in trouble. And 258 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 2: I don't really always realize going in, you know that 259 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 2: how controversial it is. And I'm going to get dragged 260 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 2: because you know, truth can be quite simple, you know. 261 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 2: And so the first time I did it was in 262 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, I wrote a book about my 263 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 2: experience as a gymnast. It's a very abusive culture. And 264 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 2: while I'm incredibly proud of what I accomplished, I came 265 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 2: out of the sport, you know, pretty damaged. I mean, 266 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 2: I just was unraveling at nineteen. I had a very 267 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 2: serious eating disorder. I'd endured years of emotional and physical 268 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 2: abuse in the sport. I trained on broken bones, which 269 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 2: obviously impacts my body and its functionality. Now we were 270 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 2: surrounded by sexual abusers I was lucky enough not to 271 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 2: experience that, but it was everywhere, and we were told, 272 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 2: don't say anything, don't stand up, just stay away from him. 273 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 2: I mean, how does that make a child feel? It 274 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 2: makes the child, even if you're not a victim, it 275 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 2: makes you feel like you really don't matter very much 276 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 2: because you know it's acknowledged that this person as an abuser, 277 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 2: that the coach of the national team in the IT 278 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 2: eighties who I traveled around the world with was a 279 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 2: known pedophile. He's now banned from the sport. And we 280 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 2: were told he's a respected coach, or it was I 281 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 2: guess I shouldn't say. We were told, it was quietly 282 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 2: implied that you better not say anything or you might 283 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 2: not get picked for the team. So I wrote this 284 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 2: book because twenty years later, I continue to suffer the repercussions. Now, 285 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 2: when you're writing a book alone in your room, you 286 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 2: know you don't always I compelled myself to be as 287 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 2: honest as possible. I thought that was important because I 288 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 2: didn't want other young athletes, other young gymnasts, to suffer 289 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 2: what I had. Well, I did realize when it came 290 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 2: out how controversial it would be. This is before the 291 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 2: Meet Too movement. This is before you supposed to let 292 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 2: alone believe women even listen to them, and so I 293 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 2: was just completely dragged. I was called every name you 294 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 2: can imagine, and it strengthened my resolve because I knew, 295 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 2: despite the fact that the story of Larry Nasser had 296 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 2: not broken yet and wouldn't for another eight years, I 297 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 2: knew they were hiding something even bigger than what was 298 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 2: out there and kind of available to the athletes to understand. 299 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 2: We learned that that was true in twenty sixteen with 300 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 2: the case of Larry Nasser, who I'm sure you know 301 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 2: who he is because it happened in your state. He 302 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 2: was the doctor for the national team USA Gymnastics as 303 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 2: well as at MSU, and he abused over five hundred 304 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 2: athletes over the course of thirty years. Now here's the 305 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 2: real sick part is it was reported repeatedly since nineteen 306 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 2: ninety seven and no one did anything. He was protected 307 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 2: and these girls and young women were in until twenty 308 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 2: sixteen when Rachel Dan Hollander, an incredibly brave woman, came 309 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 2: with receipts went public and then the whole thing unrattled 310 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 2: and he's now in prison for life. So anyway, that 311 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 2: was the first time I spoke of about abusing the sport, 312 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 2: and I was the first one to do it again 313 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 2: during COVID Kids in schools and again I see these 314 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 2: things as totally apolitical, but I challenged the orthodoxy of 315 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 2: my former party, the Democrats, and basically asking simple questions, 316 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 2: are we sure close schools are a good idea? This 317 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 2: seems very harmful to me, very harmful and ineffective, which 318 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 2: we all know now is true. Well, I lost my 319 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 2: you know, membership in the Democratic Party at that point 320 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 2: and now once again. And you know, I had observed 321 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 2: this happening around gender ideology over the course I would 322 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 2: say last six seven eight years. Didn't really kind of 323 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 2: start to speak about it until twenty twenty one because 324 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 2: I was so focused on children in schools. You know, 325 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 2: I think you have to kind of use your social 326 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 2: capital where you can, and that was that was my 327 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 2: immediate focus. But at this point I don't even care 328 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 2: any because the names they call you mean nothing. They're 329 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 2: really just a strategy to try to silence you. And 330 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 2: when they know they can't silence you, here's the thing 331 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 2: they know it keeps other people. So there's a ton 332 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 2: of people. You're just alluded to them, who know, seventy 333 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 2: percent of Americans agree with us. That includes a lot 334 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 2: of lefties and a lot of Democrats. Because this is madness. 335 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 2: Everybody knows men men are different, but they stay quiet 336 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,959 Speaker 2: because they see what happens to people like us who 337 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 2: do speak out. I mean, I've been getting voicemails on 338 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 2: my phone for the last week calling me every name. 339 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 2: I mean, I can't even say them. They're so obscene, 340 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 2: which is you know, it's kind of frightening. Although now 341 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 2: I sort of laugh at it because you just have to. 342 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 2: You have to laugh and keep going because it doesn't 343 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 2: make any sense. 344 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: But you know what breaks my heart is as you 345 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: talk about Larry Nasser and the abuse that went on 346 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: in the gymnastics program, knowing that Title nine was there 347 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 1: to protect girls, and then we still have these situations 348 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: where ultimately abusers are protected. And I mean, this happens 349 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. It happens in sports, it happens 350 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: at universities. And if you immediately, like you said, there's 351 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: all those people that'll be like, oh, well check yourself, 352 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 1: what about the church? What about this? Like okay, why 353 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: are we accepting abuse anywhere, we're not accepting abuse, and 354 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: I feel like, what you're talking about, you experienced abuse 355 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: and it was something where it was kind of like, 356 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: don't talk about it. But I think that's similar today 357 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: with some of these kids that are being trotted out 358 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 1: as examples of we're going to cut their bodies up 359 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: and we're going to change them. I think there's so 360 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: many abusers in this situation, but now the abuser has 361 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: been glorified, and it shocks me. I saw the Rue 362 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: Paul video of the I saw that of the woman 363 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: walking as someone who has gone through a double misseectomy myself. 364 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: I can't tell you the feelings of seeing that and 365 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: to me like I took pictures of my journey just 366 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: for myself and it just the other day. The girls 367 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: had pulled up one of those pictures and they were like, Mom, 368 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: why do you have these tubes coming out of your 369 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: body everywhere? And they were like did it hurt to them? 370 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: When they saw their own mom caught apart like that? 371 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: They were like, Wow, this is such a horrible thing 372 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: that you went through. And I think about again the 373 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: mockery of women who have to go through really tough 374 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: things and to manipulate young women into cutting off their 375 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: own breasts. Have no idea what that means. 376 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean think about back to when you were 377 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 2: a teenager. I mean I didn't know anything. Yes, I 378 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 2: didn't know anything. I thought that if I weighed seventy 379 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 2: five pounds, my life would be solved. That was not 380 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 2: a good idea, right, I mean, it was instilled in me. 381 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 2: I was brutalized for my weight. I was weighing twice 382 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 2: a day. It was announced on the loudspeaker at my gym. 383 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 2: I was called every name you can imagine. And you know, 384 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 2: I thought when I walked out of the gym, I 385 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 2: would leave all that behind. But that's not That's not 386 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 2: how it works. You know, you internalize it. And it 387 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 2: was a struggle to get to get to get past that. 388 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 2: Nobody in their right mind, no doctor in their right mind, 389 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 2: would have said, okay, let's help you achieve that. That's 390 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 2: what you say you are. You believe you're a seventy 391 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 2: nine pounder. So such a good point to light bosuction 392 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 2: and put you on speed and we'll get you down 393 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,239 Speaker 2: to that weight and you'll be your true self. I mean, 394 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 2: it's so ludicrous on its face, and yet we're willing to, 395 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 2: you know, listen to not just a sixteen year old, 396 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 2: but like an eight year old who declares that they 397 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 2: may after being fed, you know, questions which we know 398 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 2: they're incredibly impressionable. Well do you feel like you might 399 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 2: be a boy? I mean I was a tomboy. A 400 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 2: lot of girls I know were a tomboy. You know, 401 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 2: before I committed myself full leg gymnastics, I played little league, 402 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 2: I played all kinds of boys sports. I had short hair. 403 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 2: I don't know if I would have been influenced by 404 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 2: just being asked those questions. I think it's you know, 405 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 2: I think it's very possible. And the other thing that's 406 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 2: really alarming, Tutor, is all of these European countries are 407 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 2: pulling back from this. Yes, all of that. 408 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: You know. 409 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 2: The Cast Report, which was an extensive review of all 410 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 2: the available evidence of what we call gender affirming care, concluded. 411 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 2: This is a British pediatrician, well respected. She did four 412 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 2: years of analysis all the available evidence, and the conclusion 413 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 2: was there is zero evidence that youth. I hate calling 414 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 2: it gender affirming care because it's terrible euphemism, but I'll 415 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 2: call it that for a shorthand there's no evidence this 416 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 2: eases the distress that these young people are having. We 417 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 2: are taking advantage of distressed young people who suffer all 418 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 2: sorts of other comorbidities, from depression to autism and all 419 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 2: sorts of other things, and we're telling them this is 420 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 2: the answer and it's not. And there's no evidence in 421 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 2: all these countries from UK to Sweden to Finland to 422 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 2: Denmark who basically had led this process, So you know, 423 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 2: they're maybe to blame to begin with, but they're all 424 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 2: pulling back. And yet we are incredibly politicized. We aren't 425 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 2: putting children first, and we're doubling down, well and doubling down. 426 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: I think your point of it being political, there have 427 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: been people who have determined that if you can demonize 428 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: someone over not liking this, which to me is so 429 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: bizarre that we've gotten to this point where if you 430 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: stand up and say, hey, we shouldn't cut kids' body 431 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: parts off, people are like you, psycho, how can you 432 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 1: refuse to cut these children's body parts off? 433 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 2: You're evil? 434 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: Yes you're evil, And politically well, it does. 435 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 2: But here's the thing that I really resent, and I 436 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 2: am trying to kind of impress on women and young girls. 437 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 2: They're you know, again using their language, they're weaponizing our empathy. 438 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 2: As women, we want to be nice and we want 439 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 2: to be kind, and we're told that is sort of 440 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 2: really important. And I think, whether it's socialized or whether 441 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 2: it's you know, something that is just instilled in us, 442 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 2: we do want to be kind and we do want 443 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,719 Speaker 2: to be empathetic. And I think many instances, these are 444 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 2: young people that are suffering. I have empathy. I have 445 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 2: empathy for that. But it is not unkind to stand 446 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 2: up and say a truth. It is not unkind to 447 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:07,479 Speaker 2: say sex is real. There are real biological differences between us, 448 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 2: and I won't have my empathy weaponized against me. I cannot. 449 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 1: There are men. 450 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 2: Telling us because that's who it is. Although there's women 451 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 2: involved in the movement too, but there are males telling 452 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 2: us you must sit down and heed our wishes. I 453 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 2: can't imagine a more misogynistic thing. Young girls at the 454 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 2: track meet in Oregon, you need to smile and take 455 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 2: that trophy. And if you don't do it, and if 456 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 2: you protest, you know you're a bad little girl. Well 457 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 2: it took me twenty years leaving gymnastics to find my voice, 458 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 2: and I'm not going to stop now because a bunch 459 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 2: of men tell me I need to. 460 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: And I love this. You even created your own brand, 461 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: so you have XXXY Athletics and you work with people 462 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: also that we've had on the program, Riley Gaines, who 463 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: is obviously a great voice for women, and Chloe Cole 464 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: has been on as well. So tell us about your 465 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: athletic brand and what you guys do and where people 466 00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: can find you. 467 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. I I feel like we all have an obligation 468 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 2: to contribute in the ways that we are good at, 469 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 2: you know. And I worked in fashion for thirty years. 470 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 2: I worked at Levi's for twenty three. I led the 471 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 2: brand as the brand president. I believe in the power 472 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 2: of brands to influence culture, and I think frankly conservatives 473 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 2: and just people who are sort of non far left 474 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 2: have sort of seeded that territory the arts and brands 475 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 2: and kind of cultural influence through these kind of tools 476 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 2: of impact. I mean, think about the ways positive ways 477 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 2: brands like Dove have influenced not now, but like back 478 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 2: in the day when they did their first body positivity campaign, 479 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 2: I thought that was a revelation. We saw real women 480 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 2: who looked beautiful and not retouched. That made me think 481 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 2: really differently about myself and how I look. And so 482 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 2: I think brands have that opportunity. So I just decided, 483 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 2: as a former athlete, someone who stood up for female athletes, 484 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 2: and someone who knows how to lead a brand, a 485 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 2: fashion brand and make great product, this is a way 486 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 2: that I can contribute to this conversation. And I think 487 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 2: it can normalize standing up and saying girls deserve safety, privacy, 488 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 2: and fairness. You know, wear the shirt. It provokes a 489 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 2: conversation on the sideline at the soccer field, you know, 490 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 2: this weekend, at your kid's soccer game. I've had so 491 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 2: many conversations just because I wore you know the brand 492 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 2: a T shirt. What does that mean? Oh, this is 493 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 2: what it means. We're standing up for the protection of 494 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 2: women's sports and spaces. And I will tell you, tutor, 495 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 2: not one person has disagreed with me, not one woman. 496 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 2: Now many have said, oh it's controversial, not one has disagreed. 497 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 2: And so I'm hoping we can coax the silent majority 498 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 2: out of their kitchens to stand up and stand with us, 499 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 2: because I think if we stand together, we can't really lose. 500 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 2: And I think we have a bipartisan across the aisle, 501 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 2: people of all ideological backgrounds, of all political persuasions that 502 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 2: agree with us. I think the vast majority agree with us, 503 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 2: and all of the polls would show that we just 504 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 2: we need to get them to kind come and stand 505 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 2: with us, and then we can't lose, because the fact 506 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 2: is is politics is downstream from culture, and so if 507 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 2: we wait for politics to decide, we will lose, and 508 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 2: we are losing. 509 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more of my interview with Jennifer Say. 510 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 1: But first, I want to take a moment to tell 511 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: you more about my partners at IFCJ. Since the terror 512 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 1: attacks on October seventh, anti Semitism has been on the rise, 513 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: not just in Israel, but here at home, in the 514 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: US and around the world. That's why I've partnered with 515 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews today, and I'm 516 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: coming to you, my audience, to ask that you stand 517 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: with us in IFCJ, to raise your voice, just as 518 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: Oscar Schendler and Corey Tenbaum did. This pledge is asking 519 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: Christians to stand with their Jewish brothers and sisters, to 520 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 1: never be silent, to show the Jewish people they are 521 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: not alone. They have God and Christians on their side. 522 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: For the month of June, we are asking Christians to 523 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: sign this pledge, which will be delivered to the President 524 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: of Israel, to show that Christians in America are not 525 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: only standing in solidarity, but they are speaking up to 526 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: Let's take a stand today with the International Fellowship of 527 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,719 Speaker 1: Christians and Jews to let Jewish people know they are 528 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 1: not alone. To sign the pledge, go to support IFCJ 529 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: dot org. That's one word. It's support IFCJ dot org 530 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: to take a stand today. More with Jennifer say, after this, 531 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: you brought up something interesting. I was talking to someone 532 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: about branding just yesterday and they used to work for 533 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: a big corporation that does the branding, and in their 534 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: commercials or in their branding, they had to mark off 535 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: like they had check marks, right, you have to have 536 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: this much diversity, this and that, And I never really 537 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: thought about it until you just brought up the Dove commercial. 538 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: Dove was meaningful because it was unique, and I think 539 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: that one message in a brand is really impactful. I 540 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: think now we see these commercials that are trying to 541 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: check a million boxes and it takes you don't even 542 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: know what you're buying. You're just looking at it, and 543 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: you're so overwhelmed by all of the boxes that were 544 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: checked that it's more. I've seen so much branding become 545 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: more of a turnoff than drawing me in. And I 546 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: don't understand how this happened because I think certain brands 547 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: are for women, you know, or certain brands are for children, 548 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: or certain brands. You know, everything has its audience, and 549 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: yet why has marketing turned into this we have to 550 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: have an audience for everyone? You know, Dove was really 551 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: smart with that it was for all different women. But 552 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: if you suddenly had every different wokeism in there, I 553 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: would have been like, I don't really understand this. Ad 554 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: How did this happen that branding got out of control? 555 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 2: Well, that's a great question. And you know, marketing one 556 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 2: of one would would sort of tell you that if 557 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 2: you stand for everything, you stand for nothing. Yeah, you know, 558 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 2: if you really try to kind of check all about 559 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 2: and the inclination is there because you don't want to 560 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 2: miss out on any audience, right, Yeah, I got it. 561 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 2: You know, so from a business perspective, you want as 562 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 2: broad of a kind of an audience as possible. But 563 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 2: I know that if we are simple and clear in 564 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 2: our message, that we are the only athletic brand that 565 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 2: is truly standing up for women's sports and spaces. And 566 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 2: that was the other thing that made me want to 567 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 2: start this. I looked around at all the athletic brands. 568 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 2: They all claim to stand up for women, they all 569 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 2: claim to they do big you know, Women's History Month campaigns. 570 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 2: Not one has stood up around this particular issue. And 571 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 2: I can't really imagine a more important issue in terms 572 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 2: of protecting women and their sex space rights and saying 573 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 2: we deserve our own sports and spaces, we deserve privacy 574 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 2: and fairs, and no one will do it. They won't 575 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 2: touch it with a ten foot pull. And some of 576 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 2: them are kind of doing the opposite. I mean, you know, 577 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 2: I really kind of was set on fire and wanted 578 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 2: to kind of pursue this idea. When Nike last year 579 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 2: featured Dylan mulvaney, the sort of very well known chance 580 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 2: influencer in a run bra not ad but like social 581 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 2: media effort like no non athlete, and Nike never features 582 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 2: non athletes. So let's just start there, and no boobs. 583 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: Like function to support there. 584 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 2: It's a functional item that allows us to participate in sports, 585 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 2: and so it was just such a like you know, 586 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 2: woke grab to sort of say, oh, this is who 587 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 2: we are. 588 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: We're the good people. 589 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 2: And they live in such a bubble they think everybody 590 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 2: agrees with them, and they don't really realize that most 591 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 2: of the country doesn't agree on this point. And Nike, 592 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 2: for the first time in decades, is really struggling with 593 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 2: their business. And I think it's because of what you said, 594 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 2: this sort of diluted message. It's not about authentic athletic performance, 595 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 2: the athlete and all of us striving to be the 596 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 2: best you can be. It's about all this other weird stuff, right, 597 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 2: That's not what we want, and it's not about innovation anymore. 598 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 2: And so they've all lost their way. And I think 599 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 2: it really it started in the mid like the twenty 600 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 2: fifteen sixteen but and I write about this in my 601 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 2: last book called Leoison Butt, but it really accelerated in 602 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 2: the summer of twenty twenty with the BLM protest. Then 603 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 2: every brand was just kind of like, we got to 604 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 2: get on as that bandwagon or we're going to be 605 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 2: pilloried and canceled. 606 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: Well, the other thing that seems weird to me. I mean, 607 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: you're an athletic company, and we've seen athletic companies take 608 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: away athletic people out of their advertising and this body 609 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: positivity image and having people that are actually completely out 610 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: of shape. And I going back to what you said 611 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: about the hot flashes. To be honest, you go through 612 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: so many different changes in life, Like I want to 613 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: see someone healthy at every stage, and women, really do 614 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: your bodies changed so much over life. And I'd love 615 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: to see someone in their late forties early fifties that 616 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: I can look at and go okay, yeah, that's healthy 617 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: and I can get there. You know, I just don't 618 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: understand this idea that we are putting athletic brands out 619 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: there and lifting up someone who is unhealthy, and that 620 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: is not to take away from those people. And that's 621 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: the thing that is, Like you said, you're afraid to 622 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: say it, I'm afraid to say, we as a country 623 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: have gotten very unhealthy, and that is something that we 624 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: should strive to get away from. We should strive to 625 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: be healthy and healthy bodies. An athletic brand, you would 626 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: think would be saying, hey, you can do it, we'll 627 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: help you. 628 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's another sort of ideological kind of bizarre thing 629 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 2: that has happened, which is the body positivity movement, which 630 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 2: I think started in a good place, which is to say, 631 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 2: you know, you don't have to be six one and 632 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 2: one hundred and ten pounds to be beautiful, it has 633 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 2: gone and completely jumped the shark and all these athletic 634 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 2: brands are showing, you know, women who are a four 635 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 2: XL and you know, look, I have a lot of 636 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 2: feelings about the body positivity movement as somebody who was anarestory. 637 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 2: It's really really benefited me to see normal, you know bodies. 638 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 2: But now we've gone to this place to say every 639 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 2: healthy at any size, and that's just a lie, and 640 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 2: it's dangerous for people. Is it is not true. It 641 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 2: doesn't mean you have less value as a person. You 642 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 2: are still a good, you know human, even if you 643 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 2: struggle with weight. But to tell folks and to insist 644 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,879 Speaker 2: on this lie that we can be healthy at four 645 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 2: hundred pounds is a real disservice and I think it's 646 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 2: incredibly dangerous. And I think what's really interesting not to 647 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 2: kind of go on a side, but now that all 648 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 2: of these weight less drugs are available, that messaging is 649 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 2: sort of changing. So you know, I'll let you guys 650 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 2: think about, you know, the impact of the pharmaceutical industry there, 651 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 2: because suddenly that message is kind of changing and it's 652 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 2: okay to you know, lose a ton of weight really fast. 653 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 2: But we made a pledge we're not doing that. We don't. 654 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 2: We don't offer for excel. We do show a range 655 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,800 Speaker 2: of body types. We have a range of ages. We 656 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,320 Speaker 2: think that's really important to your point, from you know, 657 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 2: young to to me I'm in there and I'm fifty five. 658 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 2: We show athletic bodies, range of athletic bodies. I mean, 659 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 2: we have these incredible CrossFit women who are buff. I 660 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 2: mean they're so strong. But that's cool to see, you know, 661 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 2: and yeah. 662 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: Life goals for me. I always see those people. I'm like, 663 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 1: I could do that. I don't hit, but I'll do it. 664 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it looks way too hard. I don't think 665 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 2: I'm going to do that. They explained it, and I 666 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 2: was like, yeah, that's not happening. We really try to 667 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 2: show a range of body body body types. And we 668 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:34,879 Speaker 2: have another We have a guy in the campaign because 669 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 2: we do make men's products. His name is Adam Coleman, 670 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,359 Speaker 2: and he has been on one hundred pound weight loss journey. 671 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: We had as well. 672 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:48,280 Speaker 2: He's amazing, you know, and a real kind of heterodox thinker, 673 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,280 Speaker 2: which we really love. He's committed to speaking the truth. 674 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 2: And those are the people we absolutely want to celebrate, 675 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 2: like Chloe Cole and Paula Scanlon, who you probably know 676 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 2: as well, who competed at the University of Pennsylvania on 677 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 2: the same team as Leah Thomas and has been outspoken 678 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 2: about the privacy issues and having to share a locker room. 679 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 2: And she's a sexual assault survivor. She was a teenage right, 680 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 2: that's right, a sexual assault and was very uncomfortable and 681 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 2: when she went to the university, they told her, you 682 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 2: need therapy. 683 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: It's just so devastating to see women being treated like this. 684 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 1: But I love that you are standing up and you're 685 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: giving these people a voice. But you're giving them a 686 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: brand because it's something to wrap yourself in. And I 687 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: kind of love that optic of your wrapping yourself in 688 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 1: something that is protecting you as a woman. 689 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:35,240 Speaker 2: True. 690 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 1: So tell us truth, tell us where to go for 691 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 1: the brand, what's your site? How do we find you? 692 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I do want to also say this is 693 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,320 Speaker 2: not a gimmick. It's amazing, right. The feedback of the product, 694 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 2: and I'll make sure to get you some has been 695 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,479 Speaker 2: just outstanding. Our returns are so so low because people 696 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 2: love the product. And we've got a lot more product 697 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 2: coming soon. In just a few days, all our performance 698 00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 2: product is going to drop, so leggings and oyster wicking 699 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 2: fabrics and all that. I'm in this to make world 700 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 2: class products, you know, I'm not in this to sort 701 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 2: of make a gimmicky T shirt for a book. We 702 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 2: want to be a world class brand. So you can 703 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 2: find us at the truthfits dot com. That's our little 704 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 2: sort of fun url that you can go to. You 705 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 2: can also go to xx dash x y athletics dot com. 706 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,760 Speaker 2: Follow us on social media. Follow me for all the updates. 707 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 2: I just use my name Jennifer Say the tweet that 708 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 2: you read from there, So I'm always updating with news. 709 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,879 Speaker 2: And please check out the brand. I think you won't 710 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 2: be disappointed. And if you've been waiting for a brand 711 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 2: that aligns with your values and just sort of stands 712 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 2: on the side of truth, then I think this is 713 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,800 Speaker 2: the brand for you. And you know, I'm just hoping 714 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 2: it kind of, like I said, brings people out of 715 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,399 Speaker 2: the shadows who already agree with us. You know, put 716 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 2: on the T shirt, have that conversation with a friend. 717 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,319 Speaker 2: You can imbrance. You can do it, and you won't 718 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 2: stand alone. We're with you. So there's a big group 719 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,400 Speaker 2: of women and men that will stand with you. It 720 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 2: feels scary, but you can do it. 721 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 1: It's amazing. We talked on this program a lot, and 722 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 1: our audience is really on board with this discussion of 723 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 1: how seeds are planted throughout your life and you're placed 724 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: in certain situations so that you can glorify God and 725 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 1: do what you are meant to do. And you have 726 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:18,760 Speaker 1: this amazing journey of going through corporate America in fashion, 727 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: a very hard and challenging place to be for a 728 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,240 Speaker 1: brand that we all know, and then getting that situation 729 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 1: where so many of the people in the United States 730 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 1: who have been outspoken have been like, I guess, for 731 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: a lack of a better term, an attempt at canceling. 732 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,759 Speaker 1: But that is always when when the enemy strikes, God 733 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: shines brighter, and that I feel like that is what 734 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,399 Speaker 1: I see in you, This gift that you have. It's 735 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 1: something that most of us don't have, this ability to 736 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,239 Speaker 1: see fashion, this ability to create something fantastic that, like 737 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: I said, you can wrap yourself in and I think 738 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: there's nothing more personal than that. And to see you 739 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: thrive in this way, I'm like in awe of you. 740 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 1: So thank you, thank you, thank you for doing this. 741 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,759 Speaker 2: You're you're you're so sweet and you're so kind to 742 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 2: have me on and let me tell the story. And 743 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,880 Speaker 2: I hope your fans will check out the brand because 744 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 2: I think they won't, you know, like I said, it 745 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 2: aligns with their values and they'll feel good wearing it 746 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 2: and it fits great and it feels great. Yeah, it's 747 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 2: a great product. You don't have to sacrifice performance or 748 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 2: style to wear our product. 749 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 1: Awesome. I'm going to get some and I'm going to 750 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,799 Speaker 1: show it off on our social media so people can 751 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: actually see what the brand is. Like, Jennifer say, thank you, 752 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 1: thank you for what you do, and thank you for 753 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: being here. 754 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:34,840 Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for having me. 755 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,040 Speaker 1: It was a real pleasure, absolutely, and thank you all 756 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,800 Speaker 1: for being here on the Tutor Dixon Podcast and listening. 757 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 1: For this episode and others. Check out Tutor diixonpodcast dot 758 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,320 Speaker 1: com or go to the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or 759 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts and join us next time 760 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,440 Speaker 1: on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Have a blessing,