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Speaker 1: season two episode eleven, The Heart Brings You Back. It
Speaker 1: originally aired January two thousand five. This episode put me
Speaker 1: and all my feels you guys. Hayy is surprised when
Speaker 1: her older sister Taylor comes to town, but not as
Speaker 1: shocked as Nathan, who recognizes Taylor from his past. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Brooke and Felix decide to become boyfriend and girlfriend. God,
Speaker 1: she's so sad about it. While Jake surprises Peyton when
Speaker 1: he shows up in Tree Hill, and Anna confides a
Speaker 1: deep secret to Lucas. Guys, I gotta be honest. We
Speaker 1: often skipped the recap when we watch episodes together, and
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was about. This week we
Speaker 1: ran it and I was watching the recap, and literally
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there on mute going, oh my god, Jake's back.
Speaker 1: That's right. Wait FEELI said he'd protect Brooks heart. But
Speaker 1: you can tell Sasan want to say yes. Oh, and
Speaker 1: then Lucas is in the door I forgot and and
Speaker 1: and Dan is and then there's the reveal of Dan
Speaker 1: working with actually wrote down all of the recap For
Speaker 1: some reason, I never think about the recap, but I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, here's where we left off. It was
Speaker 1: a lot of drama. It almost felt like a cliffhanger episode,
Speaker 1: didn't Yeah, what was the bad? Was this the last
Speaker 1: episode before the holiday break, because remember we would like
Speaker 1: take like a big chunk of time off. I think
Speaker 1: it must have been, because yea, so much happened leading
Speaker 1: up to this episode, and then this episode's exhausting, like
Speaker 1: the list of things that happened to everybody in this
Speaker 1: everybody's getting some though. You know it's going to be
Speaker 1: an episode about big feelings because it starts with the
Speaker 1: sky opening up, like a downpour begins and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: everybody's about to have a bad day. When it rains in,
Speaker 1: everyone's gonna cry. It's a meda something about where is it? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because Jake walks out. Okay, well, first of all, where
Speaker 1: we left off, we have Keith love Jewels, but she's
Speaker 1: with Dan. Peyton calls Rick for drugs but take his
Speaker 1: back exclamation point, exclamation point. Lucas wants Brook but he
Speaker 1: finds her kissing Felix Halex run, Haley runs off with Chris,
Speaker 1: and then we have Depth confesses to Karen. So can
Speaker 1: we start with the most exciting part of all of this,
Speaker 1: which is Jake is bad? Guys. I love him with
Speaker 1: the thunder. It's like the thunder from the storm is
Speaker 1: was surrounding him and the lightning and flashes on his
Speaker 1: face and he just stands there staring at you. He says,
Speaker 1: who the hell are you? He sticks up for Peyton,
Speaker 1: gets rid of Rick. Yeah. Uh, and you guys have
Speaker 1: that big embrace. I love a high school boy who
Speaker 1: will chase off a drug dealer, do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like that's a grown ass man and this
Speaker 1: high school kids like I kick your ass, you know,
Speaker 1: like that's that's like b D, that's strong man. I'm
Speaker 1: into it. Yeah, it's it's major. I also love that
Speaker 1: as if we needed any more proof that Rick is
Speaker 1: a creep again he goes high school girls. It's like,
Speaker 1: stop saying that, you sound like a pedophile. I mean,
Speaker 1: Tree Hill had some rities. I'm sure there was like
Speaker 1: some underground scene like you. I didn't like it out
Speaker 1: a Mystery with with Bryan Greenberg and all the episodes,
Speaker 1: but this one in particular having him back, it was like,
Speaker 1: he's so soulful. You know, we've we've talked before, how
Speaker 1: he's like real life Lucas, right. Yeah, he's so soulful
Speaker 1: and and thoughtful, and he's perfect to play a grown
Speaker 1: up single dad at that age. Um. And the way
Speaker 1: that he sweeps you up in his arms, the way
Speaker 1: he looks at you and talks to you and takes
Speaker 1: care of you. Guys. I'm just like, I'm so into
Speaker 1: end game Peyton and Jake. I'm sorry, I can we
Speaker 1: have both. The Like the fan base gets really mad
Speaker 1: if they seem like if I seem like I'm leaning
Speaker 1: in one direction or another, or you know, I know
Speaker 1: because they misdirected me. You know, like I was told
Speaker 1: the Peyton and Jake were end game, um, and I
Speaker 1: don't know if that was misdirect on our creator's part
Speaker 1: or if that's what they thought was going to happen
Speaker 1: at the time and then they changed their mind later.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was a child, um, but I
Speaker 1: think I think Peyton deserves to have her cake and
Speaker 1: eat it too, So why can't they both be end game?
Speaker 1: You know? I agree? And it was interesting to me, Spicy.
Speaker 1: You know, listen that that movie Sliding Doors was great.
Speaker 1: I think this is the sliding Doors and trills, But
Speaker 1: I did, friends, I did love that movie. I loved
Speaker 1: that movie, and I do think it's really interesting because
Speaker 1: you know, we've talked about this a little bit, but
Speaker 1: we all put things together far down the line and
Speaker 1: the experience of making this show together, and after the
Speaker 1: show went off the air, realizing that, like we all
Speaker 1: got told different things, oh yeah about where he was endgame?
Speaker 1: Who was what? Like they told each of us we
Speaker 1: were endgame with different people. None of us knew what
Speaker 1: was really coming. But I gotta say, of all the
Speaker 1: misdirect that the writers gave to us as performers, the
Speaker 1: one I'm actually the saddest about is the Peyton and
Speaker 1: Jake misdirection. George Clooney, it's all his fault. He took
Speaker 1: Jake from US Brian Greenberg was a really good friend
Speaker 1: in real life, and so any time I went to
Speaker 1: l A, He's the person who would like pick me
Speaker 1: up from my shity hotel and make sure that like
Speaker 1: we were doing something cool. And so that energy, that
Speaker 1: kind of like I'm going to take care of you
Speaker 1: energy made performing together really easy because I had a
Speaker 1: natural trust with him, um and and we were friends,
Speaker 1: which we know is the basis of the best relationships. UM.
Speaker 1: So that buddy energy is strong. But Peyton and Jake
Speaker 1: get to turn it up to eleven. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: something I really loved. I loved and it becomes a
Speaker 1: device throughout the episode. There's with every group of characters,
Speaker 1: there are these pacts about keeping each other's secrets. There's
Speaker 1: an energy of let's lean into trust and if you
Speaker 1: protect me, I'll protect you. There's a lot of vulnerability
Speaker 1: in this episode, and one of the things I really
Speaker 1: loved is that as the script was written and as
Speaker 1: it was directed, they used these misdirects of imagination and
Speaker 1: dreams to show how vulnerable people were feeling. And the
Speaker 1: the m direct of Peyton falling asleep and thinking she
Speaker 1: dreamt that Jake showed up and then he's in her
Speaker 1: room just watching over her. I loved it so much.
Speaker 1: And then there's the misdirect of Haley on the box,
Speaker 1: and then I was like, she doesn't have a tooth brush,
Speaker 1: what is she doing? Where's she going? And then you realize, God, yes,
Speaker 1: and then you realized she thought about getting on the
Speaker 1: bus but didn't. And even the it wasn't it wasn't
Speaker 1: a dream, but the misdirect for Lucas of coming to
Speaker 1: tell Brooke and open up to tell her about his
Speaker 1: feelings and then she's with Felix. But you see how
Speaker 1: sad Brooke is about it, Like these mis directs and
Speaker 1: these these sort of bubbling moments of potential. I loved
Speaker 1: as a device around everybody's secrets. I like how all
Speaker 1: the different kind of like romantic entanglements represent different things too.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, like the Felix Brook thing is a
Speaker 1: physical relate Sian ship. It is a you know, there's
Speaker 1: even like a financial element to it that is a
Speaker 1: power play. Then the the Jake Peyton thing is very
Speaker 1: much like we're buddies, Like I tell you my hard
Speaker 1: stuff and like you help me, And and then the
Speaker 1: Haley um, I'm calling him Tyler Chris Keller's but that
Speaker 1: that sexual tension and that weirdness is so like talent
Speaker 1: based and artistic connection, which is a very intense connection,
Speaker 1: especially when you're young. You know, these are three very
Speaker 1: different relationships and they're all going to pan out differently. Um,
Speaker 1: but I've had all three of those relationships in my life,
Speaker 1: and I think it's same the I think the person
Speaker 1: you land on should probably be a mix of all three, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: one can hope. One of the things I love too
Speaker 1: is watching the relationships change as people feel more secure,
Speaker 1: like or insecure. True, Like you you see um Nathan
Speaker 1: and Haley having a rift and being pulled apart by
Speaker 1: this energy. You see Peyton and Jake leaning into their
Speaker 1: safety and security and into the platonic nature of their relationship,
Speaker 1: not that it isn't charged with romantic feeling, just that
Speaker 1: they haven't crossed that line yet. And one of the
Speaker 1: things I loved in the mirroring of that, like with Hillary,
Speaker 1: with you saying to Greenberg, will you just stay here
Speaker 1: just to sleep? I like to see like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: like broke my heart. But I loved seeing by the
Speaker 1: end of the episode when Brooks stands up for herself
Speaker 1: with Felix and says, I don't like that you're doing this.
Speaker 1: I know you probably don't mean anything by it, but
Speaker 1: I don't want to be my mother and and he says, well,
Speaker 1: just stay. You know, I don't want to go home.
Speaker 1: Everything's hard for me, but I don't want what exists
Speaker 1: in my house. And he says stay tonight, and she says, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not in the mood. And he says stay anyway,
Speaker 1: and he offers her just sleep here with Yeah. That
Speaker 1: was such a powerful thing to just be held by someone.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love I just loved it. Well
Speaker 1: that's the line at the end of Waitress, you know,
Speaker 1: where she's talking to her baby and she's like, dear baby,
Speaker 1: I hope that you meet someone who just holds you
Speaker 1: for thirty minutes straight and doesn't try to kiss you
Speaker 1: or excuse me that. That was always kind of my
Speaker 1: favorite part of relationships when I was younger, is that
Speaker 1: very tender space between crossing that boundary, like getting to
Speaker 1: know someone enough to trust them that you could sleep
Speaker 1: next to them, and then crossing that boundary. And I
Speaker 1: would make that last as long as humanly possible. Yes, stretches,
Speaker 1: don't todge me, don't touch me. Gosh, I've definitely done that. Like,
Speaker 1: just come over and just be here. I don't We
Speaker 1: don't need to do anything. It doesn't have to be sexual.
Speaker 1: Just the comfort of having you hold me or be
Speaker 1: next to me, or feeling like that warm body that
Speaker 1: of someone that you love and a heart that you
Speaker 1: are connected to. It's so powerful and I think there's
Speaker 1: something really beautiful about allowing room for that because physical
Speaker 1: intimacy also has the capacity to be a distraction. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really easy to not talk to someone or get
Speaker 1: to know them if you're making out of them the
Speaker 1: whole time you're in a room. It's Pandora's box because
Speaker 1: the second you start that. Yes, how many of us
Speaker 1: a state in relationships way longer than we should have
Speaker 1: because the physical yeah you know what I mean. Or
Speaker 1: think about when you were younger and maybe you maybe
Speaker 1: you allowed something to turn into a relationship that outlasted
Speaker 1: what it should have because you felt like that's what
Speaker 1: being physical with someone meant. Oh yeah, that I have
Speaker 1: to be your girlfriend, dude. I just wanted to kiss
Speaker 1: for like ten minutes, and now you turn it into
Speaker 1: a thing. Just make up. You're ruined it. You're ruined it.
Speaker 1: So there's so much like chomping into bed on our show,
Speaker 1: so so so so much so there is something that
Speaker 1: is very pleasing to me that Peyton, that Hillary Burton,
Speaker 1: the twenty you know, two year older. How old are
Speaker 1: we when we're doing this. Um was finally getting her way, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, I could have relationship with the dude where
Speaker 1: it doesn't involve you know, sucking face, bry the round
Speaker 1: on each other and he can just be nice. Lucas
Speaker 1: actually makes it, says a quote in this episode. It's
Speaker 1: a Tennessee Williams quote. I wish I had written it down,
Speaker 1: but it was something about lonely how basically the idea
Speaker 1: is if every if there are so many lonely people
Speaker 1: in the world, it would be um unimaginably selfish to
Speaker 1: be lonely alone. Oh yeah, it really got me. Well
Speaker 1: what I loved about it again? All these characters there's
Speaker 1: something about to me. Really good writing creates these circles
Speaker 1: that connect and you don't see them coming. And that
Speaker 1: quote at the beginning, right is the rain is starting
Speaker 1: and everyone is feeling like raw nerves emotionally does that
Speaker 1: full circle moment in the end when he's the only
Speaker 1: one who knows Anna's secret. She trusts him to hold
Speaker 1: her secret and he looks at her in that beautiful
Speaker 1: slow most sequence on the quad God, I wish we
Speaker 1: had more of those on our show. And he says,
Speaker 1: are you feeling left out? And she nods and he says,
Speaker 1: you want to feel left out together? And they link
Speaker 1: arms and they walk off, and it's it's it's a
Speaker 1: a teenager's way to reference to another teenager that Tennessee
Speaker 1: Williams quote, let's be let's be lonely together. My heart
Speaker 1: is something that has been actually really um has created
Speaker 1: a monumental shift in my life when I really started
Speaker 1: understanding that the key when I feel lonely, the key
Speaker 1: is not for me to go deeper inside and feel lonelier.
Speaker 1: The key is to reach out and not ask, not
Speaker 1: that necessarily call people and say, Hey, I feel lonely.
Speaker 1: Can we hang out? Which sometimes I just do because
Speaker 1: you know what, we all just need about it like that.
Speaker 1: That's how we started. At the beginning of the pandemic.
Speaker 1: It was like, I know, but I really miss you guys.
Speaker 1: I'm scared. Overall, I'm generally too unfortunately too proud to
Speaker 1: tell people that I actually need help. But what does
Speaker 1: um make a difference for me is just checking in.
Speaker 1: Like if I just stopped thinking so much about myself
Speaker 1: and my loneliness and my wallowing and my own and
Speaker 1: just start checking in with my friends. Hey, how are you?
Speaker 1: What's going on with you? I'm so encouraged. I'm either
Speaker 1: encouraged by the positive things that are happening in my
Speaker 1: friend's life, or I feel comforted knowing that someone else
Speaker 1: may be going through something similar to me and we
Speaker 1: can do it together. You knows. It's the key. It
Speaker 1: truly is the key to getting out of loneliness. It's
Speaker 1: shifting the focus that joy. I agree with you, because
Speaker 1: I tend to go like into a rabbit hole in
Speaker 1: my own head and to claw your way out you
Speaker 1: have to reach for someone else. And so especially in
Speaker 1: the last two years, I've had so many times where
Speaker 1: I'm I'm like, oh, I should call and check on someone.
Speaker 1: So I just stopped being self loathing that like myself less,
Speaker 1: I reach out and try to help somebody else. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could hate myself later, but right now, I got
Speaker 1: to make a phone call. It's the key. But you
Speaker 1: know what it makes me think about too, And it's
Speaker 1: something I really cherish, not only about our friendships in
Speaker 1: our lives and offline, but about the things we're willing
Speaker 1: to do when we show up together online or in
Speaker 1: pub like or on this podcast. I have learned at
Speaker 1: our conventions and through our socials and all these things
Speaker 1: that our willingness as women to talk about that kind
Speaker 1: of loneliness, self loathing, the human experience of sadness has
Speaker 1: also offered I think in the way our show did
Speaker 1: to our community. Our fans will say, oh, well, if
Speaker 1: you guys are going through this, then I'm not weird.
Speaker 1: Nothing is wrong with me if I'm going through it too.
Speaker 1: And and I think there's something so beautiful about being
Speaker 1: a little vulnerable about your experience because your brain tells
Speaker 1: you people are going to go that's a lot and
Speaker 1: lean out. But when you're when you're open, everybody goes,
Speaker 1: oh you too, and they lean in and what a gift. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we gotta break that barrier. There's so there's just everybody
Speaker 1: is looking at somebody else, going, man, they really have
Speaker 1: their life together, They've really actually this is a quote
Speaker 1: that Anna yes, oh shoot, it's in the next episode. Guys,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it anyway, and we can talk about
Speaker 1: it in the next episode. But she says, she and
Speaker 1: Lucas are walking, uh down by the river court not
Speaker 1: river court, um, the river the waterfront where yeah, the
Speaker 1: river Um. She says, look at all these people. They
Speaker 1: figured out what they want and they managed to find it.
Speaker 1: And it's such a perfect myth. This this we all
Speaker 1: think that. We all look around and we're like, look
Speaker 1: at all these people who figured out what they want,
Speaker 1: they managed to get it, and it's a lot everyone
Speaker 1: is searching for something. As the next episode of our
Speaker 1: podcast called a perfect myth, because I like it. Perfect
Speaker 1: myth it is because everybody falls into the trap. And
Speaker 1: now we've got social media backing us up because everybody
Speaker 1: gets to post the highlights of life and it looks
Speaker 1: like it's real, the real thing. I mean, even when
Speaker 1: we had our New York Times think am out um
Speaker 1: and and it was very exciting and it was like, wow,
Speaker 1: you know, we had a great morning. But you know
Speaker 1: what else, I still had to go shovel in my backyard.
Speaker 1: I'm still dealing with some personal drama with you know
Speaker 1: so and so and over here, and then I'm dealing
Speaker 1: with you know, school drama and some medical drama and
Speaker 1: just in my sweats and I'm tired and I need more.
Speaker 1: It was like a three cup day, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's just and then I'm getting emails like You're the
Speaker 1: hottest thing ever. Oh my dad look at you, like
Speaker 1: you're so hot right now, blah blah blah. And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let me tell you. Let me just snap a photo
Speaker 1: of how hot I am right now? Yeah, not not.
Speaker 1: I guess you feel the hype of anything, but you
Speaker 1: don't feel the hype. You just feel normal life and
Speaker 1: everyone else is looking at you perceiving something that's not real.
Speaker 1: Hype is other people's perception and it is not your
Speaker 1: reality totally. I mean, I stall to sit in the
Speaker 1: school pickup line, y'all. You know, I think I posted Guys,
Speaker 1: I fell in donkeys that day, like I was just
Speaker 1: like out never always being all sexy, and I'm just
Speaker 1: like I should have taken the New York Times and
Speaker 1: just like posted it in my windshield at least driving
Speaker 1: into school, so I could be like, guys, looks like
Speaker 1: cleaned up cool. Let's talk about other characters on the
Speaker 1: show in that vein, because I remember when Hailey's sister
Speaker 1: Taylor was introduced and was so sexual right out of
Speaker 1: the gates with Nathan, and it was inappropriate because she's
Speaker 1: older and he's a high school boy and all this stuff,
Speaker 1: and I God, I don't even know who said it, Joy,
Speaker 1: it might have been you, but I remember kind of
Speaker 1: chafing at the whole thing a little bit, and someone
Speaker 1: within our like female circle was like, that's not a slut.
Speaker 1: That's not a whore or a tramp. That's a that's
Speaker 1: a chick with some sad stuff going on, and all
Speaker 1: that projection, all that putting on the lotion, all that
Speaker 1: like fulirting and whatever. You don't know what's going on
Speaker 1: inside of a of a character like Taylor, and I
Speaker 1: don't know if we discover it down the road, but um,
Speaker 1: it's hard to watch as an adult because now you
Speaker 1: see like a little kid. Now you see like a
Speaker 1: little earlything that's just a disaster. One of the things
Speaker 1: I thought Lindsay McKeon did beautifully with that is she
Speaker 1: does give you that visceral feeling you're like, why is
Speaker 1: why are you just like putting your body everywhere, and
Speaker 1: from your sister's husband, like what are you doing? It's
Speaker 1: so overt, and and again and again and again. And
Speaker 1: then when she finally tells her secret to Nathan, which
Speaker 1: she'll only do, by the way, because she holds a
Speaker 1: secret over him, she knows she can Lord's sexual experience
Speaker 1: over him. So when she opens up to him at
Speaker 1: the beach house about being such a lost soul that
Speaker 1: she's had an affair with her college professor, she his
Speaker 1: marriage is destroyed, her college career is destroyed, everything is ruined, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, it shouldn't be f y. I yeah,
Speaker 1: by the way, the professor's fault. But anyway, you you see,
Speaker 1: you see what her suffering is. And she really she
Speaker 1: let the veneer of being this stunningly beautiful, sexy woman
Speaker 1: down for long enough that it got uncomfortable. And then
Speaker 1: she cracked another joke about how sexy he was, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, watching this as an adult,
Speaker 1: I hurt for her. I heard for this girl, and
Speaker 1: I saw what you were talking about him. Smoke and mirrors, man,
Speaker 1: it's all smoke and mirrors. Oh and oh that's so true.
Speaker 1: What about that shot at the end when she's in
Speaker 1: the shower and the steam in the mirror and looking
Speaker 1: at is a smoke and mirrors. It's like, that's a
Speaker 1: perfect metaphor. I love that shot too, It's such a
Speaker 1: beautiful shot. Oh my gosh. The scene that when she
Speaker 1: wipes the steam away and she looks at Nathan, you
Speaker 1: can see her bad habits going, I want that. That'll
Speaker 1: make me feel better, and you can see the trust
Speaker 1: and you see how touched he is and scared of
Speaker 1: being touched by this experience with her. Nathan is and
Speaker 1: he chooses Haley. You literally see him look his past
Speaker 1: in the eye and go, no, I used to be that,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to move over here. And I love
Speaker 1: the choice you made joy of being in a cute
Speaker 1: sweater and an apron. You literally dressed yourself as so
Speaker 1: opposite to Taylor in that scene. And when Nathan goes over,
Speaker 1: even though Haley is unaware of what's going on, you
Speaker 1: can see the the gratitude on your face that he's
Speaker 1: he's chosen to show up for you in that moment,
Speaker 1: and it it killed me the triangle happening there, And
Speaker 1: I thought Lindsey played it really, really well. That got
Speaker 1: me too. It really did. The choice like Haley looking
Speaker 1: like Betty Croker kitchen and Nathan just walking up, how
Speaker 1: can I help you? Oh man? It was such a
Speaker 1: gree that's in my notes too. It's such a great
Speaker 1: arc for Nathan in this episode because why was he
Speaker 1: hanging out with her anyway? He was spending all day
Speaker 1: with her, going on the beach like well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess he was kind of doing the same thing
Speaker 1: that Hayley is doing with Chris in a way, attention exploring.
Speaker 1: He was getting his ego fed. He was being reminded
Speaker 1: that like he's a Hawkeye and he was already feeling
Speaker 1: a little abandoned by Haley, so he needed some attention.
Speaker 1: And that was where he always used to go. It
Speaker 1: was just find a girl, find somebody who thinks some
Speaker 1: hot and get some attention. Well, let's talk about Lindsay McKean,
Speaker 1: because when she came in. Um I mean, first of all,
Speaker 1: this has nothing to do with Lindsay, but it is
Speaker 1: I guess a bit of a grievance that I have
Speaker 1: with um those in charge, and which is that the
Speaker 1: woman with the exception of Maria Manunos, who is still
Speaker 1: moderately falls into this category on on some level, but
Speaker 1: not the same. But we had this every female um
Speaker 1: guest star, we had this parade of sexy, slutty bad
Speaker 1: Are you saying there was a hooker with a heart
Speaker 1: of gold fetish happening on our shock? What is every
Speaker 1: single Peyton has slept with everybody? This is the first
Speaker 1: time she's not like jumping in a situation with somebody.
Speaker 1: Brooke is a hooker with a heart of gold. Emmanuel
Speaker 1: with a hooker with you know, like, yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: fantasy that our our bosses had. It's just so creepy.
Speaker 1: And then we've got this, you know, then Taylor comes
Speaker 1: to town and she's kind of like throwing herself around,
Speaker 1: and you know, then we've got I mean down the line.
Speaker 1: You can just keep counting down the line what they did,
Speaker 1: you know with Danielle's character and even Elizabeth rn wise character.
Speaker 1: Eventually like it just and and it's just it's exhausting.
Speaker 1: It was so this I think because this was like, um,
Speaker 1: the third female guest spot that felt that way. Um,
Speaker 1: it just I don't know, I just finally hit it,
Speaker 1: but I was like, God, I'm annoying. I do want
Speaker 1: to talk about Lindsay because I really like Lindsay a
Speaker 1: lot as person. I really like her as an actress.
Speaker 1: I think she's incredibly underrated. Um I wish we had
Speaker 1: her on the show today. I didn't because we don't
Speaker 1: know about that. But she's she's back plenty in this show,
Speaker 1: so we'll get her back. But Lindsay is a really
Speaker 1: thoughtful actress. She's really prepared, and what's so great about
Speaker 1: working with her is not only is she super prepared,
Speaker 1: but she's also very in the moment, which, um, I
Speaker 1: think it's kind of hard to find, especially in the TV,
Speaker 1: to have somebody who's really knows all their lines, knows
Speaker 1: the block, he knows how, but also has an ideas
Speaker 1: and it's capable of changing in a moment depending on
Speaker 1: what she's getting from the other actor in the scene.
Speaker 1: She doesn't have everything sort of structured and rigid. She
Speaker 1: wasn't afraid. She didn't come in, which is hard to
Speaker 1: do on a show like our really popular energy that
Speaker 1: she had to get involved with to come onto our
Speaker 1: show like we are a Tornado, you know, to walk
Speaker 1: into this group and and have no I mean as
Speaker 1: far as we could see, no insecurities, no sort of
Speaker 1: deferential like who's the who in the hierarchy? And how
Speaker 1: do I make sure that I don't step in even tones.
Speaker 1: She was like, Okay, I hear what you're saying, but
Speaker 1: I feel like I should go across the room because
Speaker 1: that's why I want to be over there, because I
Speaker 1: feel like it creates distance, which is more interesting. And
Speaker 1: to have a guest star come on a TV show
Speaker 1: and have the confidence to just speak up, have their
Speaker 1: ideas and hold their own space as an actor, it's
Speaker 1: such a relief to be in a scene with an
Speaker 1: actor like that. And it's funny, I'm realizing because maybe
Speaker 1: maybe my memory doesn't serve me, but I don't think
Speaker 1: I really got to ever act with her. I really
Speaker 1: feel like most of it was. But it's as you're
Speaker 1: talking about your experience of watching her do that, the
Speaker 1: first thought that comes to mind for me is how
Speaker 1: freeing that would have felt to be reminded by someone
Speaker 1: because we were in a situation where we were so
Speaker 1: often told to disavow our power. Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: would have loved to have been just like rocking with
Speaker 1: her on set and have her be like, no, you're
Speaker 1: not gonna do that. What she really did have cool
Speaker 1: older sister energy for me during this episode because oh
Speaker 1: Greenberg had just come back. I was like so pomped.
Speaker 1: And then they knew each other, like I think she
Speaker 1: dated one of friends or something, and so we would
Speaker 1: go out after work, like while you guys were shooting.
Speaker 1: I remember going to fire Belly with her in Greenberg
Speaker 1: and they like I just sat there like the high
Speaker 1: school kid because they were like talking about parties they'd
Speaker 1: gone to and like all these people that they knew
Speaker 1: that I didn't know, these aren't And I felt like
Speaker 1: such a little goober. And so in real life she
Speaker 1: was Taylor, you know, like I was so just like
Speaker 1: she's cool, Like she's part of that scene. I guess
Speaker 1: I'll go sit in my haunted house and crochet. But also,
Speaker 1: by the way, really interested in people, Like she's a
Speaker 1: curious person, which I find to be incredibly attractive that
Speaker 1: she would love to she wants to just hear about
Speaker 1: you and she asks really interesting questions and um, just
Speaker 1: a true artist. So I love and I love what
Speaker 1: she did with Taylor because again it was written as
Speaker 1: this very two dimensional just show up and stick your
Speaker 1: tits out and smile and maybe raise an eyebrow here
Speaker 1: and there and flous villain that we amazing eyebrows um
Speaker 1: and she brought so much more to it. She brought
Speaker 1: those levels so that we did understand the damage that
Speaker 1: it wasn't just some how Ha's family though, because that's
Speaker 1: been our beef with the girls on the show, is
Speaker 1: that the boys have full re formed families. And Sophia,
Speaker 1: you've said this publicly. You're like, we were what were purses?
Speaker 1: Little dogs and and so we've met Haley's parents, but
Speaker 1: we also know she comes to this huge family like okay,
Speaker 1: how many siblings, how many boys, how many girls? So
Speaker 1: to see this glimpse into her family now it makes
Speaker 1: sense that her parents were like, oh, you're so responsible,
Speaker 1: because we see what the comparison is like, we see
Speaker 1: what this other energy is and we get the first glimpse,
Speaker 1: thanks to Taylor, of where Haley's responsibility comes from. You know,
Speaker 1: when Nathan's so surprised by her and Taylor is a
Speaker 1: little offended that Nathan doesn't know anything about her, she says, well,
Speaker 1: you know it's because Haley blames me for the pressure
Speaker 1: she puts on herself. I was such a screw up,
Speaker 1: that she had to be the perfect kid. And it's
Speaker 1: the first time that we learn that there's a family
Speaker 1: dynamic behind Haley's ethics, that it isn't just this girl
Speaker 1: who's always been this way, that that there might be
Speaker 1: a pain point underneath, that she might want to not
Speaker 1: be such a good girl all the time. And that
Speaker 1: felt exciting to me. Yeah, and that really leads us
Speaker 1: into Haley and Chris, because that's a huge part of
Speaker 1: where that's coming from for her. She's never acted out
Speaker 1: because there was no space for her to act out.
Speaker 1: Her parents are probably dealing with so much craziness from
Speaker 1: Taylor and her whoever else in the family that Haley
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I just as long as I can
Speaker 1: walk the straight line, straight and arrow and keep everybody
Speaker 1: in place, nobody will be mad at me and I
Speaker 1: won't cause grief in anybody's life. Joy, I've seen a
Speaker 1: compilation of Haley just like punching people and like slapping people,
Speaker 1: and you hit so many people on our show, and yeah,
Speaker 1: what the hell you? Europe is a cool woman, Um,
Speaker 1: and now we know it's because you've got this gangster
Speaker 1: sister who's just like I bet you guys pulled each
Speaker 1: other's hair and punched and hit each other like there
Speaker 1: was no safe back seat in the James no way.
Speaker 1: That surprised me when when Hayley grab Taylor's ear, He's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's physical. It felt nice to see people not just
Speaker 1: standing around talking. Actually, I was glad. I was glad.
Speaker 1: The ear grab is so delicious. It's like it is
Speaker 1: it's such a familial gesture and and you see it
Speaker 1: and you go, yep, I know what that is. I
Speaker 1: love looking at this the dynamic of the sisters, and
Speaker 1: especially for all the women in this episode, girls trying
Speaker 1: to figure out how to be themselves, how to deal
Speaker 1: with pressure, how how to kind of navigate bumping into
Speaker 1: the boxes they've been put in. You know, everyone's kind
Speaker 1: of hitting the edges, and you see Taylor trigger that
Speaker 1: for Haley. We learn a little bit about Haley's perfectionism
Speaker 1: and the root of it. You see so much of
Speaker 1: it with Peyton trying to figure out how to come
Speaker 1: back from this loneliness, how to not fall into messes
Speaker 1: with Rick, and you see it with Brooke trying to
Speaker 1: stay away from the edge that feels like it's too
Speaker 1: much like her parental dynamic, and and I love what
Speaker 1: Lindsay brings to the episode and what another phenomenal guests
Speaker 1: are who I feel like we just you know, we
Speaker 1: praise her all the time because we're obsessed with her. Daniella,
Speaker 1: what she does is Anna in that scene with the
Speaker 1: two of you, Hillary, when she comes in confessing to
Speaker 1: Peyton that Lucas ended it and she says, I don't
Speaker 1: know what I'm doing, Peyton, and you say, none of
Speaker 1: us do, and she says, do you think there's something
Speaker 1: wrong with me? Baby? Because it's such it's just such
Speaker 1: a human experience that young women and have cool for
Speaker 1: my character. For me, this is definitely one of the
Speaker 1: most iconic episodes because that kiss gave a lot of
Speaker 1: people permission two articulate who they were in their teenage
Speaker 1: years or their early adult years, and so I take
Speaker 1: that very seriously. Um, there is a part of me,
Speaker 1: you know, like Peyton is like, it's cool, it's cool.
Speaker 1: There's a part of me that wonders if Jake hadn't
Speaker 1: just come to town, if there had been a vacuum
Speaker 1: right where Peyton interesting, what would that have been Because
Speaker 1: that overlap is just so severe and there's no room
Speaker 1: for any exploration with Anna Um. But if Jake wasn't around,
Speaker 1: ye would have looked like, I don't know, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. I also love the way
Speaker 1: that you played it in exactly that thing, saying it's
Speaker 1: cool because you were so immediately giving her safety, and
Speaker 1: I agree. I think at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you know, we've just been talking about the dynamic that
Speaker 1: there were a bunch of people who wanted girls to
Speaker 1: be archetypes of male fantasy on our show, so they
Speaker 1: weren't really going to let girls have identity with other
Speaker 1: women in that way. Because yeah, I mean, I wanted
Speaker 1: that kiss to be hot, and it's it's not like
Speaker 1: when teenagers kiss for the first time, when grownups kiss
Speaker 1: for the first time. It's largely r kiss for a living.
Speaker 1: That's what we do, and it's it's awkward. Sometimes sometimes
Speaker 1: you catch an ear or you know, like a jar,
Speaker 1: you know, but you've got something. Peyton is the perfect
Speaker 1: person for her to have, you know, made that move
Speaker 1: because Peyton is for sure the least judgmental character on
Speaker 1: this whole show. I mean, she is just like welcome,
Speaker 1: welcomes people with open arms and their mess, I think
Speaker 1: because she's just acutely aware of her own mess. So
Speaker 1: she has no judgment for well, unless it's Haley kissing somebody,
Speaker 1: and then Peyton's got strong no, But that's different. Judging
Speaker 1: someone is different than discernment and being aware of what
Speaker 1: is something that's right and wrong and being say that's
Speaker 1: right and wrong. Judgment is different than discernment. Yes, that's deep.
Speaker 1: It is because a lot of people. That's a game
Speaker 1: a lot of people will play with you. Don't judge me,
Speaker 1: don't judge me. It's like, if you're being an ass
Speaker 1: hat to to borrow Anna's great line, and you know
Speaker 1: somebody's gotta be able to call you on it doesn't
Speaker 1: mean they're judging you. It means they have discernment, they're
Speaker 1: aware that you're being an ass hat, and they're going
Speaker 1: to say it out loud because somebody's got to be
Speaker 1: willing to say it. Um. Yeah, And so I always
Speaker 1: see Paid in that way. She's willing to call a
Speaker 1: spade a spade. But I never saw her as judgmental
Speaker 1: at all, Like, totally the opposite. So it was a
Speaker 1: perfect it was a perfect safe space for Anna, and
Speaker 1: I thought you did that really well, thanks, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: love it, and I and I loved not only that
Speaker 1: that your initial reaction was, Hey, it's cool. It might
Speaker 1: not be how I feel, but it's cool. You didn't
Speaker 1: want her to feel ashamed or threatened. And the last
Speaker 1: thing that you say to her is absolutely not, don't
Speaker 1: be afraid to be who you are. But Anna is
Speaker 1: so closed off because she's so afraid that she's running.
Speaker 1: She ran from her last town, she's running from you,
Speaker 1: and well she doesn't there's no safe space for her
Speaker 1: to just explore. And that's the thing. It's like, it's
Speaker 1: so scary when you're a kid, But I actually think
Speaker 1: that it's the way Peyton reacts to her that enables
Speaker 1: her to go and be honest with Lucas at the end.
Speaker 1: Don't you find that's the case though. It's like, I
Speaker 1: know I have harbored big secrets in my life, and
Speaker 1: the work to tell one person, like there's this toxic
Speaker 1: thing in me, it makes it so much easier to
Speaker 1: tell the second person, and then the third person, and
Speaker 1: then you have a community, you know, Like it's finding
Speaker 1: that right first person is a pretty big first step,
Speaker 1: but it's you know, it becomes a dominant, so intense.
Speaker 1: Shame is like it's I think it's like the Achilles
Speaker 1: heel for so many of us. And it doesn't even
Speaker 1: always have to be well founded shame. Sometimes it's just
Speaker 1: a shame that we've created in our minds because we
Speaker 1: have what society tells us, our family or whatever we
Speaker 1: think is right or wrong or whatever. But um, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so important to be able to share. But shame
Speaker 1: is really scary. Yeah, And sometimes I feel like it
Speaker 1: can be so difficult to confront the thing that you're
Speaker 1: ashamed of until someone can touch it or hold up
Speaker 1: a mirror to you. And and I think for me
Speaker 1: it was very interesting. I didn't quite remember this episode's
Speaker 1: dynamic with Brooke and Felix. I remember being so annoying
Speaker 1: about I was so annoyed that they made us like
Speaker 1: do a MasterCard commercial kind of all I remembered, But
Speaker 1: as that's been seen in the restaurant. But what what
Speaker 1: hit me and what I'm really thinking about now as
Speaker 1: you say that Joy is Felix, because of his parents
Speaker 1: economic privilege, is kind of the one person who can
Speaker 1: hold up a mirror to Brooke about what she's losing,
Speaker 1: and he becomes her unlikely confidant in talking about how
Speaker 1: all my parents are doing is fighting. They're fighting violently,
Speaker 1: they're breaking things in the house, they're sleeping in separate zones.
Speaker 1: This is intense stuff for a child to be going through,
Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, she doesn't take it to Haley.
Speaker 1: She doesn't take it to pay and she feels ashamed.
Speaker 1: But Felix is touching it. It's like he has a
Speaker 1: finger in the wound. And I think it's why, for
Speaker 1: the first time she is able to identify verbally and
Speaker 1: maybe for the first time emotionally, that she has felt
Speaker 1: very secure because of money in her family, and now
Speaker 1: that she feels like everything is falling apart, she doesn't
Speaker 1: want to seek it out because it would make her
Speaker 1: a version of herself that she doesn't want to be.
Speaker 1: And it's only because he's forcing her to confront her
Speaker 1: shame that she can realize that and try to choose
Speaker 1: something else. Well, you know what that made me think
Speaker 1: of also talk about full circle in this episode, is
Speaker 1: this that how shame really just increases loneliness because it
Speaker 1: keeps separating you from people because you don't feel seen,
Speaker 1: because you won't allow yourself to be seen. Um and
Speaker 1: the way that the loneliness um also ties in with
Speaker 1: everybody sort of feeling this sense of being alone and
Speaker 1: is it because they're holding onto their own secrets they
Speaker 1: won't just open up and share. And it's a it's
Speaker 1: a really interesting, uh, cautionary tale to me watching Brooke
Speaker 1: and Felix, because here's a girl who is harboring some
Speaker 1: shame and is feeling lonely and she just opens up
Speaker 1: to the wrong person. I mean, this guy. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Let me read this Felix quote down. You're with me now,
Speaker 1: I'm going to take care of you. If I girls
Speaker 1: don't do it, or guys whoever, whoever you're with, if
Speaker 1: your partner says that line to you, I've just personally,
Speaker 1: I've never heard anything good come from that. It's so
Speaker 1: um god, it's so creepy. It's so and patronizing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're with me now, I'm going to take care of
Speaker 1: I've got it. Don't you worry it? Do you think
Speaker 1: this is what happened? She's just this is who's available
Speaker 1: to her, and so she's she's getting caught. You know,
Speaker 1: Lucas is trying to get in there, and I think
Speaker 1: that's probably trying Brook. Shame is because like the nice
Speaker 1: ser Felix is to her, there is a shame in
Speaker 1: knowing that maybe you're gaming someone a little bit like
Speaker 1: have you dated someone that you don't necessarily want to
Speaker 1: be dating, but you're just like this, So but there's
Speaker 1: shame in that because you know the other shoes is
Speaker 1: going to drop at some point, right, Like it's not sustainable.
Speaker 1: I also think Lucas hurt Brook so badly that you
Speaker 1: can see it in that scene on the quad where
Speaker 1: he comes to talk to her, and then you know,
Speaker 1: Felix comes in at the end and there's he doesn't
Speaker 1: actually get to tell Broke. Lucas doesn't actually get to
Speaker 1: tell Brooke how he feels. You can see how painful
Speaker 1: it is for her to be near him. When Lucas
Speaker 1: is nice to Brook, it hurts her because it reminds
Speaker 1: her of what he did in a way, and Felix
Speaker 1: isn't exactly what she wants, but he's never betrayed her.
Speaker 1: And I think it's a very human thing to try
Speaker 1: to choose something that doesn't feel like it could kill you. Lucas. Yeah, also,
Speaker 1: Lucas probably feels to Brooke like it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: with shame, it's hard to admit, uh, something that you're
Speaker 1: ashamed about to someone who you think maybe is better
Speaker 1: than you in a way. And with Felix, he's so
Speaker 1: obviously a screw up in so many ways that admitting
Speaker 1: the shameful stuff to Felix is safe. It maybe feels
Speaker 1: safe for less embarrassing. Nothing I can tell you because
Speaker 1: you're a train wreck. Um I can tell you anything.
Speaker 1: I don't know, what do you think about that? And
Speaker 1: my writer is that, like, I think you're definitely right
Speaker 1: because there's no stakes, you know. It's like I canna
Speaker 1: because I really don't give a if you think I'm
Speaker 1: right or wrong. Right. And with Lucas, it's not that
Speaker 1: she thinks he's better than her. That's the wrong phrasing.
Speaker 1: It's just that it matters what Lucas matters to her.
Speaker 1: I don't know that Brooke really cares what Felix thinks
Speaker 1: of her, because she could walk away just as easily
Speaker 1: to Lucas, and he stepped on it. Yeah, So now
Speaker 1: she has a broken heart in her hands and someone's
Speaker 1: being really tender with it, and she's like, this feels nice,
Speaker 1: but it's her heart is so broken. It's just they're
Speaker 1: not in the same realms of experience, and I think
Speaker 1: it is again. I just keep coming back to how
Speaker 1: human this episode felt to me. All these people having
Speaker 1: these really vulnerable human experiences, and I see her just
Speaker 1: having this human experience of my heart's broken and I
Speaker 1: have to figure out what to do with it. I
Speaker 1: can't snap my fingers and make it feel whole. So
Speaker 1: I'm I'm doing my best. I'm trying my best here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what about another who was not who was actively um
Speaker 1: letting out her shame to someone who's who really matters
Speaker 1: is deaf? Yes, it's hard. That's an adult taking the
Speaker 1: exact same scenario, but actually, you know, trying to own
Speaker 1: up to her mistake and going to the person that
Speaker 1: matters the most and and sharing the news that was rough. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean and and so if you think about the
Speaker 1: other side of that, the Karen of it all, she
Speaker 1: also was kind of juggling two boys the same way
Speaker 1: that Brooke is, And it's it's I just found doubt
Speaker 1: that Keith, who was my person with how being my person? Yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely slept with like my sort of best friend, Like
Speaker 1: you know, they haven't put a label on it, but
Speaker 1: they're you know, she endeavor incredibly close now and they
Speaker 1: come on, that's that's insult to injury. Dan leaves her
Speaker 1: for deb and now, yes, oh my god, I didn't either,
Speaker 1: just flew off, which actually makes so much sense for
Speaker 1: how intensely Karen reacts to that, given that she never
Speaker 1: wanted to be with Keith anyway. Right O, man, oh no,
Speaker 1: that hurts. It's that's an old wound compounded by a
Speaker 1: new wound. Because when she calls Andy and here's some
Speaker 1: chick on the phone, you know, it's God, it's shame,
Speaker 1: poor Karen. But honestly, like the shame of being cheated on,
Speaker 1: the shame of like being betrayed, it's not even something
Speaker 1: you did, but you carry it. And so Karen is
Speaker 1: carrying that from when she was what seventeen years old,
Speaker 1: So to feel it again, like the first time she
Speaker 1: puts herself out there is mortifying. Well, and the interesting
Speaker 1: thing is, and Karen is representative of this for so
Speaker 1: many women. When men behave badly, women are the ones
Speaker 1: who get branded for it. Women are the ones who
Speaker 1: get blamed for it, and women are the ones who
Speaker 1: get asked about it for all eternity instead of the
Speaker 1: men who did it. And it is so toxic. It's
Speaker 1: like such a side effect of a toxic patriarchal system.
Speaker 1: It's like, talk to him about it. I can talk
Speaker 1: about this. I don't want to talk about the loser
Speaker 1: I dated in high school or college, like, leave me
Speaker 1: out of thish. Karen did ask. Karen did ask. She
Speaker 1: she was the one that went to Debb and said,
Speaker 1: did you sleep with Keith? If she didn't want to
Speaker 1: know it now? But do you really think in any
Speaker 1: world she thought it actually happened, or do you think
Speaker 1: she was warning her friend, hey, dance telling lies about you.
Speaker 1: I don't think she thought in a million years that
Speaker 1: would have ever happened. Like if someone came to me
Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, Hilary Joyce left with so and so,
Speaker 1: the first thing I would do is run to you
Speaker 1: and be like, babe, I heard you heard that you
Speaker 1: was so and so. Isn't that crazy? And you'd be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's crazy, super crazy, Like that's a good girlfriend move
Speaker 1: that Karen did. True backfired hard. Yeah, I did backfire.
Speaker 1: Yeah I wish maybe it would have been Yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess I guess that's true. That's the only way to
Speaker 1: keep the storyline going is if she asked the way
Speaker 1: that she did, sort of meaning that, Yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: that's it because then at that point, once you lie,
Speaker 1: then I get why Dad was trying to like clean
Speaker 1: clean the sleep. But there's a big part of me
Speaker 1: that's just like why I don't just move on and
Speaker 1: she was going to known and what what. It's not
Speaker 1: like she's if she was still if she was dating Keith,
Speaker 1: that's a different conversation. But the fact that they're just friends,
Speaker 1: there is nothing, nothing ever happened. It's kind of none
Speaker 1: of her business. I don't know. Do you think that
Speaker 1: assumes that they that Karen and Keith hooked up at
Speaker 1: some point? Do you think it's like, hey, Keith's getting married.
Speaker 1: You know, we've both been with him crazy, right, you know,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know that they've ever really talked about
Speaker 1: I don't think so either. I also think, and I
Speaker 1: think it's very easy to say as viewers that's not appropriate.
Speaker 1: No one has the right to feel that way. But
Speaker 1: we're human, and people feel h territorial, they feel loyalty,
Speaker 1: they feel we have feelings that aren't rational about our relationships,
Speaker 1: and so Karen doesn't really have a right to be
Speaker 1: mad about who Keith's sleeping with. But Karen also she
Speaker 1: does have a right. Yeah, she's got this whole weird
Speaker 1: thing with Keith. And it's like I actually sort of
Speaker 1: loved the messy humanity of it because I was like,
Speaker 1: her feelings are on display. Yeah, we've got a glimpse
Speaker 1: of like Irish Moira in that episode where she screamed
Speaker 1: at Chad, were like, show us, give us more and
Speaker 1: more and more and more and more, where no one
Speaker 1: else was on display. Um Peyton's bangs, which I loved
Speaker 1: so much, breakage um and it was healthy and fine.
Speaker 1: The only thing that saved my ass is that Scarlett
Speaker 1: Johansson had a mullet in this year, Like she intentionally
Speaker 1: cut a mullet um, and I was just like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: me too, I'm just copy her. Hillary. No, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: But they were like those cute little Sandra d Audrey
Speaker 1: Hepburn bangs and I thought they were really flattering on
Speaker 1: your face and very sort of wispy and girlish, and
Speaker 1: I just loved it. It was so retro. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna all cut bangs this year. Have we gotten to
Speaker 1: that chapter? Every Joy, you just cut bangs. I've been
Speaker 1: long bangs. We're gonna I loved that. We're gonna get there.
Speaker 1: Hill you were you were asleep already. The other night
Speaker 1: I rapped really late. I was on FaceTime with Joy
Speaker 1: and literally being like, wait, don't go that far back. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: okayfully plodded exactly, and then she like twisted them off.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. Yes, I have this big I
Speaker 1: have a big cowick here, and I've cut bangs not once,
Speaker 1: but twice. Your bangs on the show. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: loved my bangs, but I've also learned the hard way
Speaker 1: that they require a lot of maintenance when you have
Speaker 1: a colic on one half of your forehead because I
Speaker 1: wake up in the morning and this half since like this,
Speaker 1: and this half goes like this. Yeah. So what I
Speaker 1: got from a very nice hairdresser that I've worked with,
Speaker 1: which changed my life. I had hair dresser look at
Speaker 1: me and go, why do you keep cutting them? I'll
Speaker 1: just get you a set, and he was like, literally,
Speaker 1: just a clipping pair of bangs. I can have them
Speaker 1: one ever I want, and then they go away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Gray over color you want to. Actually, yes, there's a
Speaker 1: there's a company, a couple of specific companies that do
Speaker 1: this hill you could definitely get some. I mean, I
Speaker 1: love your get ourselves banks. We deserve this. That's that's
Speaker 1: how you know. Any woman is like going through maybe
Speaker 1: like a transition phase. I've got to cut this hair,
Speaker 1: and I've got to cut it right now, right now.
Speaker 1: But you know what the other thing is. Okay, here's
Speaker 1: one of the great things about cutting bangs, and not
Speaker 1: just bangs, but like I found out how to do
Speaker 1: some layers and all. Because the thing is, if I
Speaker 1: go to a hairdresser and they do this to me,
Speaker 1: even if it looked exactly the way it does right now,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna nitpick. I'm gonna find something wrong
Speaker 1: with it, and then I'm gonna be mad at them.
Speaker 1: But if I do it myself, I've got nobody else
Speaker 1: to go but me. So I can handle being mad
Speaker 1: at me. My god, that's that's the title of this episode.
Speaker 1: I can handle being mad at me. We can all
Speaker 1: handle our own bang mess. It's other people's mess that
Speaker 1: is really confusing. I don't confuse me. I can't deal
Speaker 1: with it. Oh, god, you got. I really did love
Speaker 1: this episode. I think we I think we've found some
Speaker 1: really we dug in there and found some good gold
Speaker 1: in there. Our babes will spin that wheel. Let's spin
Speaker 1: the most likely do what we got? Oh? Oh, well
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Speaker 1: you guys with our production company, should we just do
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