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Speaker 1: Queen's Welcome Back, Friends and Family. Today, we are discussing

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Speaker 1: season two episode eleven, The Heart Brings You Back. It

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Speaker 1: originally aired January two thousand five. This episode put me

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Speaker 1: and all my feels you guys. Hayy is surprised when

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Speaker 1: shocked as Nathan, who recognizes Taylor from his past. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: Brooke and Felix decide to become boyfriend and girlfriend. God,

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Speaker 1: she's so sad about it. While Jake surprises Peyton when

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Speaker 1: he shows up in Tree Hill, and Anna confides a

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Speaker 1: deep secret to Lucas. Guys, I gotta be honest. We

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Speaker 1: often skipped the recap when we watch episodes together, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know what it was about. This week we

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Speaker 1: ran it and I was watching the recap, and literally

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting there on mute going, oh my god, Jake's back.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Wait FEELI said he'd protect Brooks heart. But

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Speaker 1: then Lucas is in the door I forgot and and

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Speaker 1: and Dan is and then there's the reveal of Dan

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Speaker 1: working with actually wrote down all of the recap For

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Speaker 1: was like, Okay, here's where we left off. It was

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Speaker 1: a lot of drama. It almost felt like a cliffhanger episode,

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Speaker 1: didn't Yeah, what was the bad? Was this the last

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Speaker 1: the list of things that happened to everybody in this

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Speaker 1: everyone's gonna cry. It's a meda something about where is it? Oh? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because Jake walks out. Okay, well, first of all, where

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Speaker 1: we left off, we have Keith love Jewels, but she's

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Speaker 1: with Dan. Peyton calls Rick for drugs but take his

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Speaker 1: back exclamation point, exclamation point. Lucas wants Brook but he

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Speaker 1: finds her kissing Felix Halex run, Haley runs off with Chris,

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Speaker 1: we start with the most exciting part of all of this,

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Speaker 1: which is Jake is bad? Guys. I love him with

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Speaker 1: the thunder. It's like the thunder from the storm is

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Speaker 1: who the hell are you? He sticks up for Peyton,

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Speaker 1: gets rid of Rick. Yeah. Uh, and you guys have

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Speaker 1: that big embrace. I love a high school boy who

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Speaker 1: as if we needed any more proof that Rick is

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Speaker 1: but this one in particular having him back, it was like,

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Speaker 1: Jake misdirection. George Clooney, it's all his fault. He took

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Speaker 1: So that buddy energy is strong. But Peyton and Jake

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Speaker 1: especially when you're young. You know, these are three very

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Speaker 1: It was so this I think because this was like, um,

426
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: the third female guest spot that felt that way. Um,

427
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: it just I don't know, I just finally hit it,

428
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: but I was like, God, I'm annoying. I do want

429
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: to talk about Lindsay because I really like Lindsay a

430
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: lot as person. I really like her as an actress.

431
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 1: I think she's incredibly underrated. Um I wish we had

432
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: her on the show today. I didn't because we don't

433
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: know about that. But she's she's back plenty in this show,

434
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 1: so we'll get her back. But Lindsay is a really

435
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 1: thoughtful actress. She's really prepared, and what's so great about

436
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: working with her is not only is she super prepared,

437
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: but she's also very in the moment, which, um, I

438
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: think it's kind of hard to find, especially in the TV,

439
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: to have somebody who's really knows all their lines, knows

440
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: the block, he knows how, but also has an ideas

441
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: and it's capable of changing in a moment depending on

442
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: what she's getting from the other actor in the scene.

443
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: She doesn't have everything sort of structured and rigid. She

444
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: wasn't afraid. She didn't come in, which is hard to

445
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 1: do on a show like our really popular energy that

446
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: she had to get involved with to come onto our

447
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: show like we are a Tornado, you know, to walk

448
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: into this group and and have no I mean as

449
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: far as we could see, no insecurities, no sort of

450
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: deferential like who's the who in the hierarchy? And how

451
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: do I make sure that I don't step in even tones.

452
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: She was like, Okay, I hear what you're saying, but

453
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: I feel like I should go across the room because

454
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 1: that's why I want to be over there, because I

455
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: feel like it creates distance, which is more interesting. And

456
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: to have a guest star come on a TV show

457
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: and have the confidence to just speak up, have their

458
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: ideas and hold their own space as an actor, it's

459
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: such a relief to be in a scene with an

460
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: actor like that. And it's funny, I'm realizing because maybe

461
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: maybe my memory doesn't serve me, but I don't think

462
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 1: I really got to ever act with her. I really

463
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: feel like most of it was. But it's as you're

464
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: talking about your experience of watching her do that, the

465
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 1: first thought that comes to mind for me is how

466
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: freeing that would have felt to be reminded by someone

467
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: because we were in a situation where we were so

468
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: often told to disavow our power. Oh my god, I

469
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: would have loved to have been just like rocking with

470
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: her on set and have her be like, no, you're

471
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: not gonna do that. What she really did have cool

472
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: older sister energy for me during this episode because oh

473
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: Greenberg had just come back. I was like so pomped.

474
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: And then they knew each other, like I think she

475
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: dated one of friends or something, and so we would

476
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: go out after work, like while you guys were shooting.

477
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: I remember going to fire Belly with her in Greenberg

478
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: and they like I just sat there like the high

479
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 1: school kid because they were like talking about parties they'd

480
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: gone to and like all these people that they knew

481
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: that I didn't know, these aren't And I felt like

482
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: such a little goober. And so in real life she

483
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: was Taylor, you know, like I was so just like

484
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: she's cool, Like she's part of that scene. I guess

485
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: I'll go sit in my haunted house and crochet. But also,

486
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 1: by the way, really interested in people, Like she's a

487
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: curious person, which I find to be incredibly attractive that

488
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: she would love to she wants to just hear about

489
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: you and she asks really interesting questions and um, just

490
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 1: a true artist. So I love and I love what

491
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: she did with Taylor because again it was written as

492
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: this very two dimensional just show up and stick your

493
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: tits out and smile and maybe raise an eyebrow here

494
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: and there and flous villain that we amazing eyebrows um

495
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: and she brought so much more to it. She brought

496
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: those levels so that we did understand the damage that

497
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: it wasn't just some how Ha's family though, because that's

498
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: been our beef with the girls on the show, is

499
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: that the boys have full re formed families. And Sophia,

500
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: you've said this publicly. You're like, we were what were purses?

501
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: Little dogs and and so we've met Haley's parents, but

502
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: we also know she comes to this huge family like okay,

503
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: how many siblings, how many boys, how many girls? So

504
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: to see this glimpse into her family now it makes

505
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: sense that her parents were like, oh, you're so responsible,

506
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: because we see what the comparison is like, we see

507
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: what this other energy is and we get the first glimpse,

508
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: thanks to Taylor, of where Haley's responsibility comes from. You know,

509
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: when Nathan's so surprised by her and Taylor is a

510
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: little offended that Nathan doesn't know anything about her, she says, well,

511
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: you know it's because Haley blames me for the pressure

512
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: she puts on herself. I was such a screw up,

513
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: that she had to be the perfect kid. And it's

514
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: the first time that we learn that there's a family

515
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: dynamic behind Haley's ethics, that it isn't just this girl

516
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: who's always been this way, that that there might be

517
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: a pain point underneath, that she might want to not

518
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: be such a good girl all the time. And that

519
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: felt exciting to me. Yeah, and that really leads us

520
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: into Haley and Chris, because that's a huge part of

521
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: where that's coming from for her. She's never acted out

522
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: because there was no space for her to act out.

523
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: Her parents are probably dealing with so much craziness from

524
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: Taylor and her whoever else in the family that Haley

525
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I just as long as I can

526
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: walk the straight line, straight and arrow and keep everybody

527
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: in place, nobody will be mad at me and I

528
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: won't cause grief in anybody's life. Joy, I've seen a

529
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: compilation of Haley just like punching people and like slapping people,

530
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: and you hit so many people on our show, and yeah,

531
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: what the hell you? Europe is a cool woman, Um,

532
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: and now we know it's because you've got this gangster

533
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: sister who's just like I bet you guys pulled each

534
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: other's hair and punched and hit each other like there

535
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: was no safe back seat in the James no way.

536
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: That surprised me when when Hayley grab Taylor's ear, He's like, oh, yeah,

537
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,719
Speaker 1: that's physical. It felt nice to see people not just

538
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: standing around talking. Actually, I was glad. I was glad.

539
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: The ear grab is so delicious. It's like it is

540
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: it's such a familial gesture and and you see it

541
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: and you go, yep, I know what that is. I

542
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: love looking at this the dynamic of the sisters, and

543
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: especially for all the women in this episode, girls trying

544
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: to figure out how to be themselves, how to deal

545
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: with pressure, how how to kind of navigate bumping into

546
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,959
Speaker 1: the boxes they've been put in. You know, everyone's kind

547
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: of hitting the edges, and you see Taylor trigger that

548
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: for Haley. We learn a little bit about Haley's perfectionism

549
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: and the root of it. You see so much of

550
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: it with Peyton trying to figure out how to come

551
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: back from this loneliness, how to not fall into messes

552
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: with Rick, and you see it with Brooke trying to

553
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: stay away from the edge that feels like it's too

554
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: much like her parental dynamic, and and I love what

555
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: Lindsay brings to the episode and what another phenomenal guests

556
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: are who I feel like we just you know, we

557
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: praise her all the time because we're obsessed with her. Daniella,

558
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: what she does is Anna in that scene with the

559
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: two of you, Hillary, when she comes in confessing to

560
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: Peyton that Lucas ended it and she says, I don't

561
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: know what I'm doing, Peyton, and you say, none of

562
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: us do, and she says, do you think there's something

563
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: wrong with me? Baby? Because it's such it's just such

564
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: a human experience that young women and have cool for

565
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: my character. For me, this is definitely one of the

566
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: most iconic episodes because that kiss gave a lot of

567
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: people permission two articulate who they were in their teenage

568
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: years or their early adult years, and so I take

569
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: that very seriously. Um, there is a part of me,

570
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: you know, like Peyton is like, it's cool, it's cool.

571
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: There's a part of me that wonders if Jake hadn't

572
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: just come to town, if there had been a vacuum

573
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: right where Peyton interesting, what would that have been Because

574
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: that overlap is just so severe and there's no room

575
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: for any exploration with Anna Um. But if Jake wasn't around,

576
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: ye would have looked like, I don't know, Yeah, that

577
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. I also love the way

578
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 1: that you played it in exactly that thing, saying it's

579
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: cool because you were so immediately giving her safety, and

580
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: I agree. I think at the end of the day,

581
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: you know, we've just been talking about the dynamic that

582
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: there were a bunch of people who wanted girls to

583
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 1: be archetypes of male fantasy on our show, so they

584
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: weren't really going to let girls have identity with other

585
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: women in that way. Because yeah, I mean, I wanted

586
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: that kiss to be hot, and it's it's not like

587
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: when teenagers kiss for the first time, when grownups kiss

588
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: for the first time. It's largely r kiss for a living.

589
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 1: That's what we do, and it's it's awkward. Sometimes sometimes

590
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: you catch an ear or you know, like a jar,

591
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: you know, but you've got something. Peyton is the perfect

592
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: person for her to have, you know, made that move

593
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: because Peyton is for sure the least judgmental character on

594
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 1: this whole show. I mean, she is just like welcome,

595
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: welcomes people with open arms and their mess, I think

596
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,959
Speaker 1: because she's just acutely aware of her own mess. So

597
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 1: she has no judgment for well, unless it's Haley kissing somebody,

598
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: and then Peyton's got strong no, But that's different. Judging

599
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: someone is different than discernment and being aware of what

600
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: is something that's right and wrong and being say that's

601
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: right and wrong. Judgment is different than discernment. Yes, that's deep.

602
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: It is because a lot of people. That's a game

603
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: a lot of people will play with you. Don't judge me,

604
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: don't judge me. It's like, if you're being an ass

605
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: hat to to borrow Anna's great line, and you know

606
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: somebody's gotta be able to call you on it doesn't

607
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: mean they're judging you. It means they have discernment, they're

608
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: aware that you're being an ass hat, and they're going

609
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: to say it out loud because somebody's got to be

610
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: willing to say it. Um. Yeah, And so I always

611
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: see Paid in that way. She's willing to call a

612
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: spade a spade. But I never saw her as judgmental

613
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: at all, Like, totally the opposite. So it was a

614
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: perfect it was a perfect safe space for Anna, and

615
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: I thought you did that really well, thanks, Yeah, I

616
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: love it, and I and I loved not only that

617
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: that your initial reaction was, Hey, it's cool. It might

618
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: not be how I feel, but it's cool. You didn't

619
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: want her to feel ashamed or threatened. And the last

620
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: thing that you say to her is absolutely not, don't

621
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: be afraid to be who you are. But Anna is

622
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: so closed off because she's so afraid that she's running.

623
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: She ran from her last town, she's running from you,

624
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: and well she doesn't there's no safe space for her

625
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 1: to just explore. And that's the thing. It's like, it's

626
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: so scary when you're a kid, But I actually think

627
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: that it's the way Peyton reacts to her that enables

628
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: her to go and be honest with Lucas at the end.

629
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: Don't you find that's the case though. It's like, I

630
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: know I have harbored big secrets in my life, and

631
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: the work to tell one person, like there's this toxic

632
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: thing in me, it makes it so much easier to

633
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: tell the second person, and then the third person, and

634
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: then you have a community, you know, Like it's finding

635
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: that right first person is a pretty big first step,

636
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: but it's you know, it becomes a dominant, so intense.

637
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: Shame is like it's I think it's like the Achilles

638
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: heel for so many of us. And it doesn't even

639
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: always have to be well founded shame. Sometimes it's just

640
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: a shame that we've created in our minds because we

641
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: have what society tells us, our family or whatever we

642
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: think is right or wrong or whatever. But um, yeah,

643
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: it's so important to be able to share. But shame

644
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: is really scary. Yeah, And sometimes I feel like it

645
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: can be so difficult to confront the thing that you're

646
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: ashamed of until someone can touch it or hold up

647
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: a mirror to you. And and I think for me

648
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: it was very interesting. I didn't quite remember this episode's

649
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: dynamic with Brooke and Felix. I remember being so annoying

650
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: about I was so annoyed that they made us like

651
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: do a MasterCard commercial kind of all I remembered, But

652
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: as that's been seen in the restaurant. But what what

653
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: hit me and what I'm really thinking about now as

654
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: you say that Joy is Felix, because of his parents

655
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: economic privilege, is kind of the one person who can

656
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: hold up a mirror to Brooke about what she's losing,

657
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 1: and he becomes her unlikely confidant in talking about how

658
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: all my parents are doing is fighting. They're fighting violently,

659
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: they're breaking things in the house, they're sleeping in separate zones.

660
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 1: This is intense stuff for a child to be going through,

661
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, she doesn't take it to Haley.

662
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: She doesn't take it to pay and she feels ashamed.

663
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: But Felix is touching it. It's like he has a

664
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 1: finger in the wound. And I think it's why, for

665
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: the first time she is able to identify verbally and

666
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 1: maybe for the first time emotionally, that she has felt

667
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: very secure because of money in her family, and now

668
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: that she feels like everything is falling apart, she doesn't

669
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: want to seek it out because it would make her

670
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 1: a version of herself that she doesn't want to be.

671
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: And it's only because he's forcing her to confront her

672
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: shame that she can realize that and try to choose

673
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: something else. Well, you know what that made me think

674
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: of also talk about full circle in this episode, is

675
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: this that how shame really just increases loneliness because it

676
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: keeps separating you from people because you don't feel seen,

677
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: because you won't allow yourself to be seen. Um and

678
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 1: the way that the loneliness um also ties in with

679
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 1: everybody sort of feeling this sense of being alone and

680
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: is it because they're holding onto their own secrets they

681
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: won't just open up and share. And it's a it's

682
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:33,959
Speaker 1: a really interesting, uh, cautionary tale to me watching Brooke

683
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: and Felix, because here's a girl who is harboring some

684
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: shame and is feeling lonely and she just opens up

685
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: to the wrong person. I mean, this guy. I'm sorry.

686
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: Let me read this Felix quote down. You're with me now,

687
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to take care of you. If I girls

688
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: don't do it, or guys whoever, whoever you're with, if

689
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: your partner says that line to you, I've just personally,

690
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 1: I've never heard anything good come from that. It's so

691
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: um god, it's so creepy. It's so and patronizing. Yeah,

692
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: you're with me now, I'm going to take care of

693
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,439
Speaker 1: I've got it. Don't you worry it? Do you think

694
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 1: this is what happened? She's just this is who's available

695
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: to her, and so she's she's getting caught. You know,

696
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: Lucas is trying to get in there, and I think

697
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: that's probably trying Brook. Shame is because like the nice

698
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 1: ser Felix is to her, there is a shame in

699
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: knowing that maybe you're gaming someone a little bit like

700
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: have you dated someone that you don't necessarily want to

701
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: be dating, but you're just like this, So but there's

702
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: shame in that because you know the other shoes is

703
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: going to drop at some point, right, Like it's not sustainable.

704
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: I also think Lucas hurt Brook so badly that you

705
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: can see it in that scene on the quad where

706
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: he comes to talk to her, and then you know,

707
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: Felix comes in at the end and there's he doesn't

708
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: actually get to tell Broke. Lucas doesn't actually get to

709
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: tell Brooke how he feels. You can see how painful

710
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 1: it is for her to be near him. When Lucas

711
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: is nice to Brook, it hurts her because it reminds

712
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: her of what he did in a way, and Felix

713
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: isn't exactly what she wants, but he's never betrayed her.

714
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: And I think it's a very human thing to try

715
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: to choose something that doesn't feel like it could kill you. Lucas. Yeah, also,

716
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: Lucas probably feels to Brooke like it's like, you know,

717
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: with shame, it's hard to admit, uh, something that you're

718
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: ashamed about to someone who you think maybe is better

719
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: than you in a way. And with Felix, he's so

720
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: obviously a screw up in so many ways that admitting

721
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 1: the shameful stuff to Felix is safe. It maybe feels

722
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: safe for less embarrassing. Nothing I can tell you because

723
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: you're a train wreck. Um I can tell you anything.

724
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, what do you think about that? And

725
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,240
Speaker 1: my writer is that, like, I think you're definitely right

726
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: because there's no stakes, you know. It's like I canna

727
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: because I really don't give a if you think I'm

728
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: right or wrong. Right. And with Lucas, it's not that

729
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: she thinks he's better than her. That's the wrong phrasing.

730
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: It's just that it matters what Lucas matters to her.

731
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: I don't know that Brooke really cares what Felix thinks

732
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: of her, because she could walk away just as easily

733
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,479
Speaker 1: to Lucas, and he stepped on it. Yeah, So now

734
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 1: she has a broken heart in her hands and someone's

735
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: being really tender with it, and she's like, this feels nice,

736
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 1: but it's her heart is so broken. It's just they're

737
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: not in the same realms of experience, and I think

738
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: it is again. I just keep coming back to how

739
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: human this episode felt to me. All these people having

740
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 1: these really vulnerable human experiences, and I see her just

741
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: having this human experience of my heart's broken and I

742
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 1: have to figure out what to do with it. I

743
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: can't snap my fingers and make it feel whole. So

744
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: I'm I'm doing my best. I'm trying my best here. Yeah,

745
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: what about another who was not who was actively um

746
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: letting out her shame to someone who's who really matters

747
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: is deaf? Yes, it's hard. That's an adult taking the

748
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: exact same scenario, but actually, you know, trying to own

749
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: up to her mistake and going to the person that

750
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:48,479
Speaker 1: matters the most and and sharing the news that was rough. Yeah, well,

751
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: I mean and and so if you think about the

752
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: other side of that, the Karen of it all, she

753
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: also was kind of juggling two boys the same way

754
00:44:55,719 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: that Brooke is, And it's it's I just found doubt

755
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: that Keith, who was my person with how being my person? Yeah,

756
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: definitely slept with like my sort of best friend, Like

757
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: you know, they haven't put a label on it, but

758
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 1: they're you know, she endeavor incredibly close now and they

759
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: come on, that's that's insult to injury. Dan leaves her

760
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:23,959
Speaker 1: for deb and now, yes, oh my god, I didn't either,

761
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: just flew off, which actually makes so much sense for

762
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: how intensely Karen reacts to that, given that she never

763
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: wanted to be with Keith anyway. Right O, man, oh no,

764
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: that hurts. It's that's an old wound compounded by a

765
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: new wound. Because when she calls Andy and here's some

766
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 1: chick on the phone, you know, it's God, it's shame,

767
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: poor Karen. But honestly, like the shame of being cheated on,

768
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: the shame of like being betrayed, it's not even something

769
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: you did, but you carry it. And so Karen is

770
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 1: carrying that from when she was what seventeen years old,

771
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: So to feel it again, like the first time she

772
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: puts herself out there is mortifying. Well, and the interesting

773
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: thing is, and Karen is representative of this for so

774
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 1: many women. When men behave badly, women are the ones

775
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: who get branded for it. Women are the ones who

776
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: get blamed for it, and women are the ones who

777
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: get asked about it for all eternity instead of the

778
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: men who did it. And it is so toxic. It's

779
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: like such a side effect of a toxic patriarchal system.

780
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: It's like, talk to him about it. I can talk

781
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: about this. I don't want to talk about the loser

782
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: I dated in high school or college, like, leave me

783
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: out of thish. Karen did ask. Karen did ask. She

784
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,240
Speaker 1: she was the one that went to Debb and said,

785
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: did you sleep with Keith? If she didn't want to

786
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: know it now? But do you really think in any

787
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: world she thought it actually happened, or do you think

788
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: she was warning her friend, hey, dance telling lies about you.

789
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: I don't think she thought in a million years that

790
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: would have ever happened. Like if someone came to me

791
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, Hilary Joyce left with so and so,

792
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: the first thing I would do is run to you

793
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: and be like, babe, I heard you heard that you

794
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: was so and so. Isn't that crazy? And you'd be like, yeah,

795
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 1: that's crazy, super crazy, Like that's a good girlfriend move

796
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: that Karen did. True backfired hard. Yeah, I did backfire.

797
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: Yeah I wish maybe it would have been Yeah, I

798
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: guess I guess that's true. That's the only way to

799
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: keep the storyline going is if she asked the way

800
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 1: that she did, sort of meaning that, Yeah, I guess

801
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: that's it because then at that point, once you lie,

802
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 1: then I get why Dad was trying to like clean

803
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: clean the sleep. But there's a big part of me

804
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: that's just like why I don't just move on and

805
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: she was going to known and what what. It's not

806
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: like she's if she was still if she was dating Keith,

807
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,720
Speaker 1: that's a different conversation. But the fact that they're just friends,

808
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: there is nothing, nothing ever happened. It's kind of none

809
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: of her business. I don't know. Do you think that

810
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: assumes that they that Karen and Keith hooked up at

811
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: some point? Do you think it's like, hey, Keith's getting married.

812
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: You know, we've both been with him crazy, right, you know,

813
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 1: Like I don't know that they've ever really talked about

814
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: I don't think so either. I also think, and I

815
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: think it's very easy to say as viewers that's not appropriate.

816
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 1: No one has the right to feel that way. But

817
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: we're human, and people feel h territorial, they feel loyalty,

818
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 1: they feel we have feelings that aren't rational about our relationships,

819
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: and so Karen doesn't really have a right to be

820
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: mad about who Keith's sleeping with. But Karen also she

821
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: does have a right. Yeah, she's got this whole weird

822
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: thing with Keith. And it's like I actually sort of

823
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: loved the messy humanity of it because I was like,

824
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: her feelings are on display. Yeah, we've got a glimpse

825
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: of like Irish Moira in that episode where she screamed

826
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: at Chad, were like, show us, give us more and

827
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: more and more and more and more, where no one

828
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 1: else was on display. Um Peyton's bangs, which I loved

829
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 1: so much, breakage um and it was healthy and fine.

830
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 1: The only thing that saved my ass is that Scarlett

831
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: Johansson had a mullet in this year, Like she intentionally

832
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: cut a mullet um, and I was just like, yeah, yeah,

833
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 1: me too, I'm just copy her. Hillary. No, I'm sorry.

834
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: But they were like those cute little Sandra d Audrey

835
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: Hepburn bangs and I thought they were really flattering on

836
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: your face and very sort of wispy and girlish, and

837
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: I just loved it. It was so retro. So we're

838
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: gonna all cut bangs this year. Have we gotten to

839
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: that chapter? Every Joy, you just cut bangs. I've been

840
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: long bangs. We're gonna I loved that. We're gonna get there.

841
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: Hill you were you were asleep already. The other night

842
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: I rapped really late. I was on FaceTime with Joy

843
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,720
Speaker 1: and literally being like, wait, don't go that far back. Okay, okay,

844
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: okayfully plodded exactly, and then she like twisted them off.

845
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. Yes, I have this big I

846
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: have a big cowick here, and I've cut bangs not once,

847
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Speaker 1: but twice. Your bangs on the show. Oh yeah, I

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Speaker 1: loved my bangs, but I've also learned the hard way

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Speaker 1: that they require a lot of maintenance when you have

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Speaker 1: a colic on one half of your forehead because I

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Speaker 1: wake up in the morning and this half since like this,

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Speaker 1: and this half goes like this. Yeah. So what I

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Speaker 1: got from a very nice hairdresser that I've worked with,

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Speaker 1: which changed my life. I had hair dresser look at

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Speaker 1: me and go, why do you keep cutting them? I'll

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Speaker 1: just get you a set, and he was like, literally,

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Speaker 1: just a clipping pair of bangs. I can have them

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Speaker 1: one ever I want, and then they go away. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Gray over color you want to. Actually, yes, there's a

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Speaker 1: there's a company, a couple of specific companies that do

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Speaker 1: this hill you could definitely get some. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: love your get ourselves banks. We deserve this. That's that's

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Speaker 1: how you know. Any woman is like going through maybe

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Speaker 1: like a transition phase. I've got to cut this hair,

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Speaker 1: and I've got to cut it right now, right now.

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Speaker 1: But you know what the other thing is. Okay, here's

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Speaker 1: one of the great things about cutting bangs, and not

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Speaker 1: just bangs, but like I found out how to do

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Speaker 1: some layers and all. Because the thing is, if I

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Speaker 1: go to a hairdresser and they do this to me,

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Speaker 1: even if it looked exactly the way it does right now,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna nitpick. I'm gonna find something wrong

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Speaker 1: with it, and then I'm gonna be mad at them.

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Speaker 1: But if I do it myself, I've got nobody else

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Speaker 1: to go but me. So I can handle being mad

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Speaker 1: at me. My god, that's that's the title of this episode.

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Speaker 1: I can handle being mad at me. We can all

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Speaker 1: handle our own bang mess. It's other people's mess that

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Speaker 1: is really confusing. I don't confuse me. I can't deal

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Speaker 1: with it. Oh, god, you got. I really did love

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Speaker 1: this episode. I think we I think we've found some

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Speaker 1: really we dug in there and found some good gold

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Speaker 1: in there. Our babes will spin that wheel. Let's spin

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Speaker 1: the most likely do what we got? Oh? Oh, well

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Speaker 1: this is so obvious to me the answer guys, Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: somebody read it. Tell us, okay, who is most likely

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Speaker 1: to star in their own reality TV show? Antoine one? Come? Yeah? Right? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: All the Dominoes conventions in Las Vegas and the basketball

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Speaker 1: every week? Yeah? He does, he does. And you know

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Speaker 1: what's so funny? Joy, When you said that, You're like,

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Speaker 1: this is obvious. I was like, I mean, I guess

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Speaker 1: Taylor James would have been on the Bachelor, right. She

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Speaker 1: feels she feels like the character or like holds to

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Speaker 1: marry a millionaire, you know, like, let's take it one

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Speaker 1: step too. By the way, yeah, those are two answers

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Speaker 1: you guys with our production company, should we just do

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Speaker 1: a TV show about Antoine? Just like, yeah, we needed

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Speaker 1: some some executive can call us right now We've got

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Speaker 1: the show. Yes, it's well, everybody. Our next episode is

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Speaker 1: a season two episode number twelve called between Order and Randomness,

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Speaker 1: Oh something between order and randomness that sounds like my

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