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Speaker 1: Cindy Rodriguez. Hey Cindy. Hello, So Cindy. All I know

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Speaker 1: is that Latino USA has been working on a story

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Speaker 1: And that's it is, Dola.

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Speaker 2: That's all you need to know. I'm going to take

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Speaker 2: you right through it, Okay. So it pretty much starts

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Speaker 2: with I think my inkling, my obsession with intuition. Ever

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Speaker 2: since I was a teenager. I didn't really believe in

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Speaker 2: wanted to go down the shore with friends. Four or

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Speaker 2: mom's super strict, super patuana wants to know everywhere, like

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Speaker 3: I feel something very very strange.

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Speaker 2: She was just like, no, no, mcaybien, You're not going.

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Speaker 1: Which means I have this premonition.

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Speaker 3: And I told my daughter, please don't go, No, not

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Speaker 2: So I called my friends I was like, just tell

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Speaker 2: asked her thereafter, I'm like, what was it about this

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Speaker 2: particular trip that you were just so head on saying

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Speaker 3: Doube accidente and me meantey away an accidente, And.

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Speaker 2: She's like, I just saw like an accident. I just

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Speaker 2: and I let it go. Three days passed by, my

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Speaker 2: turned over and the person that replaced you passed away.

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Speaker 2: And I was like shocked. Even when I say it now,

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Speaker 1: It sounds completely unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: That was a moment when my mom call that accident

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Speaker 2: how does she tap into it? Right? Like asking all

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Speaker 2: these questions quandomo requitu savilla.

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Speaker 3: Lyne to Soon I started okay, okay, simple type of

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Speaker 1: So your mom says that we all have the gift

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Speaker 1: of intuition, but not all of us listen to it.

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Speaker 1: From Futuro Media, It's Latino USA. I'm Maria ino Josa.

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Speaker 1: Today on our show, we explore Eldon the supposed sixth

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Speaker 1: sense from both a scientific point of view and from

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Speaker 1: one oftal understanding. Intuition as a concept has been a

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Speaker 1: part of many spiritual practices in Latin America, and it

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Speaker 1: plays a critical role when that Today is Garria Latina

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Speaker 1: feminist movement. And we'll get back to how all of

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Speaker 1: us are brujas in just a little bit, But first

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Speaker 1: is intuition. Real journalist Cindy Rodriguez is going to introduce

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Speaker 1: us to some cold, hard science.

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Speaker 2: The way my mom defines intuition is that it's a

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Speaker 2: so I needed to look into this myself. I started researching,

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Speaker 2: But still the idea that someone has a gift of

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Speaker 5: So my name is Golan Lufianta.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Lafitiano is one of those people who takes intuition seriously.

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Speaker 5: And I'm here Fitful Bread Foundations and currently I'm doing

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Speaker 1: So basically what it's doing is it's measuring your capacity

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Speaker 2: Not so much what you know, but what you feel.

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Speaker 2: As doctor Lufayana explains, there are two types of decision making.

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Speaker 1: So your mom was right on the money that everyone

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Doctor Lufaiano and his team didn't prove that people

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Speaker 6: I'm Amanda Al, the digital media editor here at Latino USA.

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Speaker 6: I'm Dominican and Dominican culture. You know, there's a lot

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Speaker 6: She had a whole alter devoted to like, you know,

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Speaker 6: different sort of spirits I feel like I'm a very

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Speaker 2: Then we have somebody who has been fooled but his

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Speaker 7: My name is Tommy McNamara.

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Speaker 2: Tommy is a stand up comedian that lives in Brooklyn.

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Speaker 7: We didn't talk about any feelings. I would say, as

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Speaker 7: an Irish Catholic Midwestern family, I think I used to

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Speaker 7: few times he fell for Craigslist scam, and now I

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Speaker 8: I'm Alisa Scarce. I am a associate producer here at

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Speaker 2: Alisa grew up in Los Angeles and she's on the

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Speaker 8: So on my dad's side of the family, the Cuban side,

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Speaker 2: It was not something like my parents thought that was weird.

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Speaker 8: Really got in touch with, but I remember as a

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Speaker 9: My name is Zach Swan.

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Speaker 2: Zach is yet another stand up comedian.

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Speaker 9: My family, we didn't. Intuition wasn't really like a subject

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Speaker 9: that was mentioned. I would fall in a similar campus Tommy.

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Speaker 9: I think I feel like I'm certainly not intentional about intuition.

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Speaker 1: And when it comes to you, Maria, I think I'm

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Speaker 1: You know the way you're seeing it is right. Because

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Speaker 1: it was like you're an impostor, you shouldn't be here,

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Speaker 2: And then the questionnaire began. First question, I would rather

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Speaker 2: is sure to challenge my thinking abilities. The questionnaire was

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Speaker 2: have the responsibility. I would prefer complex to simple problem.

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Speaker 2: I had to anticipate and avoid situations. Number five, I

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Speaker 2: trust my initial feelings about people.

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Speaker 1: Pencils down.

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Speaker 2: I feel like a teacher. I'm like, give me your homework, please,

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Speaker 2: thank you. After ten minutes of talling the results, I

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Speaker 2: came back. I have everyone's scores here, and I was like, huh. Interesting.

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Speaker 2: The way the scoring worked was that everyone had two

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Speaker 2: separate scores, a rational score and an intuitive score, twenty

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Speaker 2: five being the highest score you could get on either. First,

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Speaker 2: Amanda got her results.

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Speaker 3: Rational at ten.

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Speaker 6: That makes a lot of sense because I'm like fighting

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Speaker 6: my rational all the time, and that's a Libra thing.

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Speaker 2: Interesting.

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Speaker 6: I'm so mad at this result, but I'm also very proud.

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Speaker 6: I also want to be intuitive, and it's pretty good.

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Speaker 8: Am twenty one rational, twenty three intuitive, which it kind

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Speaker 7: Tommy, I got eighteen rational, ten intuitive, which I think

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Speaker 2: Isn't that the highest intuitive score we've heard so far? Well,

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Speaker 1: Rational I got eighteen and intuitive I got twenty five.

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Speaker 11: Just say so, you're not surprised at all.

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Speaker 2: No, that sounds about right, Maria. Of course you got

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Speaker 5: Least one of my studies. They actually we actually found

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Speaker 1: So basically, if you think you're an intuitive person, you

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Speaker 2: And you can hear in people's answers about their background

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Speaker 3: And Latino borque porque familiar and to a parties. Basically,

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Speaker 1: Coming up on Latino USA, how Brujas modern day Latinx

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Speaker 1: we're back, And on today's show, producer Cindy Rodriguez has

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Speaker 2: In my quest to learn about the role of intuition

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Speaker 1: The epicenter of the millennial decolonized wellness movement. Yes, okay,

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that there was a decolonized wellness movement.

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Speaker 2: But let's go mm hmm. We're hearing the drums of

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Speaker 2: The festival was held in Dumbo under the Brooklyn Bridge.

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Speaker 2: The festival felt like a reunion. A lot of the

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Speaker 4: I live for these sacred spaces.

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Speaker 1: Why wasn't I there?

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Speaker 2: Oh, you would have loved it.

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Speaker 1: How come you guys didn't invite me?

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Speaker 2: I know we should have invited you. Amira Iotre know

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Speaker 2: you're coming. It's magic. There's astro readers, tarot readers, music

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Speaker 4: Hello, thank you so much for taking time, and.

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Speaker 2: We got to talk to the person who was bringing

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Speaker 10: I'm Chikita Bruhita. This is Brooklyn Buhetia at the festival.

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Speaker 10: This is a gathering of magic music, drums and community.

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Speaker 2: Chikita Bruhita one hundred percent believes in intuition.

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Speaker 10: So there's intuition of trusting your intuition, but then there's

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Speaker 10: the next step of actually believing indivination. Right, and so

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Speaker 10: if you trust your intuition to trust your guides enough

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Speaker 10: I grew up, you know, receiving messages from espiditistas and

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Speaker 4: Be careful with this, don't go out there.

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Speaker 10: You know, so and so got a message like me.

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Speaker 2: Ruhita learned to believe in intuition because of her family

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Speaker 2: Latina spiritual women who grew up practicing Santaiya. Her grandmother

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Speaker 10: So my grandmother was crowns a priestess of Yamaya more

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Speaker 2: Bruhita says that her grandma was a crown priestess of Yamaya,

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Speaker 1: And Yamaya is mother goddess represented by the ocean.

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Speaker 2: And Santadia is a religion that is the combination of

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Speaker 10: I identify as a third generation practicing Buha in the

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Speaker 10: be the traditional sense, which is someone who practices our

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Speaker 2: Bruita says that well, she can trace her intuitive sense

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Speaker 10: I love that Bruja has become and I'm seeing it

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Speaker 10: this moment of empowered, you know, so empowered that I

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Speaker 1: It kind of feels like Brujas are having a big

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Speaker 2: Now, definitely, And maybe the best place to witness the

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Speaker 2: Bruha boom is on social media, where Latinx influencers have

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Speaker 2: advice on everything from money so arias your money for

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Speaker 2: February twenty twenty is coming in the form of the

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Speaker 12: Own do they clans the air of Tocsin's Box.

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Speaker 8: They also provide amazing energy and sometimes it's just too

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Speaker 13: I'm Valeria Ruelas the Mexican, which welcome to pick a

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Speaker 2: And yes, of course getting through our current global crisis.

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Speaker 12: About the coronavirus from an astrological point of view.

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Speaker 2: But blue Haas don't just talk about self optimization. The

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Speaker 13: I love knowing that we're going to prevail against all

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Speaker 2: Hell yeah, which is.

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Speaker 1: That's really well, that's taking brujas and bruhetiad to a

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Speaker 2: Brujas don't play often. Being a Bruja means being an activist.

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Speaker 2: A lot of Blouhas say they're fighting against a patriarchal,

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Speaker 2: white supremacist society in their practice. In twenty fifteen, writer

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Speaker 4: Trump Adios Trump.

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Speaker 2: But this idea of tapping into magic or spirituality more

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Speaker 11: We see spirituality as really an integration of all of life.

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Speaker 2: This is Lata Medina, a Chicana scholar of spirituality and

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Speaker 11: Spirituality very much nurtures intuition.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Medina says it's an act of political resistance to

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Speaker 2: look within oneself for answers. In other words, trust your

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Speaker 11: And our intuition is grounded in our feelings, our emotions,

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Speaker 2: During colonization, brujos and brujas and healers, intuitive people or

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Speaker 11: Our indigenous cultures carried so much scientific, spiritual, medicinal knowledge

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Speaker 11: So in many ways they colonized her or tried to

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Speaker 2: The story of Labittiguadalupe was like this. In fifteen thirty one,

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Speaker 2: But finally the Catholic Church couldn't deny her.

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Speaker 11: It's just really difficult times that need not just political responses,

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Speaker 2: For many, la Vitin is seen as both a religious

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Speaker 11: She represents you know, brown women. She represents brown ancestry

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Speaker 2: These days, a lot of young LATINX feministy Laviitin is

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Speaker 4: She's on boat of candles. Everywhere there are.

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Speaker 2: for many of us Latinas, we're looking to spirituality for

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Speaker 1: So your mom seems to be like a central figure

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Speaker 2: My mom got here at the age of thirty with

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Speaker 1: You know, it's really interesting to hear you say that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that could be the experience for

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Speaker 2: a lot of immigrants who move somewhere and don't speak

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Speaker 2: to her intuition the longer that she's been here in

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Speaker 2: the States.

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Speaker 3: In Latin America is Paciva la no tennessee corricorre Sabi

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Speaker 2: She says that life in Latin America is lower pace,

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Speaker 2: that it's easier to listen to your feelings there than

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Speaker 2: it is here in the US. So your mom says,

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Speaker 2: this thing, the corricor is so what's the corricory? Corricory

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Speaker 2: is the hustle and bustle of just like running around

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Speaker 2: to get it done, whatever it is that you're trying

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Speaker 2: to get done.

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Speaker 1: It's like super American, super American, just moving ahead, moving ahead,

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Speaker 1: because that's what you do.

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Speaker 3: That's what you do.

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Speaker 2: You get to the US, you hustle, you launch things,

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Speaker 2: you become an entrepreneur, you become successful, all of these

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Speaker 2: things that are supposed to define your happiness. And she said,

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Speaker 2: I asked her, what is something that she would want

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Speaker 2: me to just never forget?

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Speaker 3: Practica down down, free, OK, Latina in to me, if Amilia.

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Speaker 2: She says that although this country can be so practical,

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Speaker 2: Latina and because she raised me, that I will always

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Speaker 2: know how to protect my spirit. But it's something I

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Speaker 2: honestly hesitated to do for a long time. I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: take my parents and seriously when they tried to impart

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Speaker 2: their spiritual wisdom. But then I hit rock bottom.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean you hit rock bottom.

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Speaker 2: What happened About five years ago. I was laid off

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Speaker 2: for my job at CNN, which meant that I had

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Speaker 2: lost my health insurance, which I really needed. At the time,

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Speaker 2: I had just been told I needed to get surgery

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Speaker 2: for a potentially cancerous lymph node. And to make matters worse,

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Speaker 2: I was in the middle of leaving a long term

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Speaker 2: relationship of ten years. I was thirty one years old

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Speaker 2: at the time, and it felt like I had lost

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Speaker 2: everything and I didn't know how to begin again. So

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Speaker 2: I moved in with my mom. Her first thing on

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Speaker 2: my to do list to get better was when olympiasa.

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Speaker 2: You know, you leave a breakup, you lose a job,

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Speaker 2: you start to think, okay, maybe the world is against

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Speaker 2: me here. So she prescribes me this bainnyo.

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Speaker 1: She prepared umbaginnyo, which means she prepared a bath for you,

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Speaker 1: a particular kind of bath that means flowers, usually some

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Speaker 1: kind of particular sand, oftentimes candles.

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Speaker 2: And just like, tears are rolling down my face and

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Speaker 2: you don't rinse the bath off where you have to

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Speaker 2: air dry, so I am forced to just stand there

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Speaker 2: naked and think emotionally about everything I've ever wanted in

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Speaker 2: my life and at the same time everything that I've

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Speaker 2: lost up until then, and so it was a transition

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Speaker 2: in my life. Like I remember this day very clearly

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Speaker 2: and thinking like something changed, something shifted. I go for

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Speaker 2: a hike every time there's a full moon.

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Speaker 4: Burn some palos. It's the first thing I do. I

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Speaker 4: like to set the vibe.

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Speaker 2: Palo santo is a wild tree native to the Yucatan

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Speaker 2: and it's found in many Latin American countries, including Peru,

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Speaker 2: where my family's from.

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Speaker 4: And what you'll hear there is my lighter. And what

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Speaker 4: I do is I light my palo.

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Speaker 2: I'll ask my ancestors to over me, to bring me

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Speaker 2: guidance and to send me any messages that they think

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Speaker 2: I need to know right now.

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Speaker 4: And so as I write down what I'm gonna.

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Speaker 2: Let go of.

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Speaker 14: Which I already did, I say I'm ready to go

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Speaker 14: of X and replace it with X. It's a little personal,

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Speaker 14: so I won't exactly share what it is.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 4: I will light the paper. The paper's very small.

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Speaker 2: What I'm burning, it's all gone now, it's turned to ashes,

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Speaker 2: honoring my inner knowing. It's a way of connecting to

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Speaker 2: my ancestors and their traditions, voices that have been silenced

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Speaker 2: through a history of colonization. And it's all led to

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Speaker 2: reclaiming a part of myself that has always been there,

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Speaker 2: but I just wasn't listening.

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Speaker 1: Sni Rodriguez, thank you so much for opening up and

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Speaker 1: for taking us on this journey with you.

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