WEBVTT - #126 - Iman Shumpert 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:20.320 How do I like the random applause? Yeah, fucking right, Cook? 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:25.440 Want everyone to go follow my podcast? Producer DJ cook 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:28.800 beats on Instagram. Puts in a lot of hard work, 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:35.360 A lot of hard work, lots of hard work. Yeah, hey, Cook, 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:41.879 how many times a week do you touch yourself? Every night? 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:45.400 So seven days a week you're jerking off? Out of 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:48.519 those seven days, how many multiple times? Like like, like, 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:50.239 how many days are you? Like, let me get two 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:56.880 or three in today, grab a mic. It just depends. 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:01.520 It just depends. What's your record at Like if you 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:04.000 had to put a number on the record for many 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:07.240 times you've jerked off on one day one day, what's 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:10.920 your record? Maybe when I was I don't know, like 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:15.520 three or four, that's it. Oh, that's terrible. I've done 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:20.720 at least eight eight Yeah, at least eight once. Yeah, 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:23.600 probably when I was like nineteen, yeah, or maybe sixteen. 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:25.960 Oh yeah. Just you know, you have the whole house 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:29.399 to yourself when you fresh internet porn, when you barely 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:33.280 first got those bang bros hacked passwords, you're just stroking 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:38.720 all day until someone comes home and catches Yeah. 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So go to odd socksofficial dot 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:40.160 com use the promo code bootleg keV to save twenty 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:42.839 percent off of checkout. Sorry for the random intro. Let's 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:45.280 talk to Alman Shumpert. Hopefully he doesn't hear this intro 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:46.800 because he's gonna be like, who the fuck did I 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:52.360 just sit down? With Yo. It's the bootleg keV show Man. 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:57.240 We got a special guest in here, NBA legend dancing 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:02.720 legend now also a pretty solid MC. We got Iman 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:05.200 Shepherd in the building. Man, welcome, what's going on both? 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:10.360 First of all, congratulations on Dancing with the Stars. I 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:14.280 assumed when you got on there, just knowing your background, 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:19.159 knowing who your wife is, you had a pretty easy 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:21.600 path to victory. I just assumed you were the betting favorite. 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:23.200 When I saw that you were a part of the cast, 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:25.440 I was like, Yo, there's like a mon's got to 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:27.840 come with it because your girl, low Key's one of 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:29.920 the hardest dancers of all time. You know what I'm saying. 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:34.839 I mean, I'll take it if that's what you felt. 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:38.320 But how like, like, oh I wish it was smooth 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:40.840 like that? What was that like? I mean, obviously I 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:42.440 didn't even know there was thirty seasons. I saw it 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:47.560 was a thirty season. That's crazy. It's it's a competition show. 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:53.080 It's not a I went it with the assumption that 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:54.960 I was gonna go in here and have a ball 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:58.599 and it was gonna be fun. Yeah, dancing for a 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:02.200 couple of hours, you know what I'm saying whatever, and 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:08.800 it's uh pretty hectic after a while. I don't know. 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:11.080 It was like I damn it, didn't want to do it, 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:12.920 you know what I mean? Like you get like this 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:15.280 is more work than I thought. You just get exhausted 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:18.000 with doing every dance that you don't know, you know 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:20.880 what I'm saying, Like it's one thing to you know, 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:23.560 be a kid and learn how to walk once. Man, 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:25.760 But it's like if somebody tried to teach you how 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:30.080 to walk ten different ways as a thirty year old, 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:32.880 You're looking at them like, hey, bro, this looks better. 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:34.839 It feels better, So I'm gonna do this, like you 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:36.520 know what I mean, Like that's what your mind wants 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:40.320 to say. And it was just like all the small technicalities, 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.120 it was just like to get my habits to break. 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:46.080 It was so difficult. I didn't think it was that difficult. 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:49.440 And I'm lucky that Danny State stayed in the practice 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:52.240 i mean rehearsal space with me for as long as 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:54.280 she did, because we did get a lot of practice in. 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:57.760 But by the time we did get the trophy though, 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:02.200 it was worth it. So it was definitely it was 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:05.159 definitely worth it. Man, was it like a different type 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:09.200 of challenge for you, obviously being an athlete, coming from 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:12.720 you know, being one of the however many people are 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:14.440 in the NBA. Was it three hundred and seventy people 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:16.480 in the NBA something like that, one of the three 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:19.480 hundred and seventy best athletes in the in the world 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:22.120 when it comes to basketball to go into the dancing world, Like, 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:24.400 how how much of a different challenge was it for you? 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:32.000 It was a it's a big adjustment. It's uh, I say, 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:39.040 basketball is already kind of like poetry in motion, so 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:41.760 to speak, like you have to make smooth movements, uh, 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:46.080 with your athleticism. And I think that was like my 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:50.760 biggest advantage when when the weeks progressed, it was like 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:54.560 Danny started leaning on you know what I was good at. 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:59.320 You know, we started doing lifts, We start, uh, just 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:01.880 doing things every week that we start calling them moments. 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:05.240 But it was like we would have these moments that 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:08.320 you you feel something you don't really you're not really 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:10.800 just watching the show, just like the US thing. It 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:13.120 was like people felt that shit, like they felt like 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:14.920 we was really in the movie, like we was really 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:18.160 trying to remind them of the movements and play on 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:20.840 the tether version of ourselves. And it was like doing 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:25.600 that I think really boosted us. But the the the 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:31.600 adjustment from basketball to dancing, I think basketball is already 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:34.600 pretty much like we gotta do. It's kind of like dancing, 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:37.560 like I'm doing the wrong but like or something like that. 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:40.000 Ain't nothing but a finish over the right right right, 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:42.280 you know what I'm saying. That's a finish, So that's 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:46.040 a that's a reverse. That footwork is me getting around 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:48.280 the screen, you know what I'm saying, Like it's similar, 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:51.400 It's just I gotta make it fun. So I'm like 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:54.640 running around the rehearsal space like okay, euro step here 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.480 five six, seven, eight, Okay, that's you know what I mean. 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:02.280 Like that's how I was remembering here telling myself basketball terminologies. 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:04.880 As the footwork, I also feel like like just as 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:10.559 a person, like you've always been like naturally evolved into 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:14.240 like the space of like art in some way, whether 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:16.680 it's being an artist or fashion. And I feel like 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:18.480 the dancing shit, you know, like I said, it kind 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.800 of goes hand in hand with all that shit, especially 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:25.080 considering like again, Gianna is the goat, you know what, 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:29.640 I'm saying, like, so it doesn't hurt, right, I mean, 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:33.080 it's that's what I've been doing my whole life. If 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:35.440 I wouldn't have went to the league, I wasn't gonna 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:38.800 sit on my ass like I wasn't gonna be you 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:40.600 know what I mean, if something ever went wrong with 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:42.800 me in my life. Like you see people checking out early. 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:45.400 It's like, if I ever checked out early, how dare 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:48.480 I not try? You know what I'm saying, everything as 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:55.120 far as every competition, I'm offered to be in every opportunity, 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:59.160 you know what I'm saying, available to take on, Like 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:01.199 why wouldn't I take it on? Like when I got 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:03.560 the Dancing with the Stars call, It's like, yeah, normally 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:06.240 and then you see it. I mean, by the way 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:08.960 Jerry Rice was on Dancing with the Stars and some 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:12.839 of the greatest smith Yeah, Floyd was on there. That's 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:15.160 what really threw me off. I'm like, Floyd was on there. 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:18.160 I don't even remember that. That's crazy. Exactly thirty seasons. 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:20.480 When I saw that, I was like, there was thirty 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:23.200 How old am I? And it's like you go there, 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:25.120 you're watching it, and I'm they're like, yeah, the football 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:27.960 players usually do way better than you guys. I'm just 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:31.920 like what other basketball players had participated in. I feel 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:39.640 like there was Rick Fox, Lamar Oldham, Clyde Drex the Okay, 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:43.880 I just saw Rick Fox in a movie that I 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:45.760 didn't know he was in recently. I remember which one. 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:48.840 I was watching, some movie from two thousands. I was like, 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:53.800 Rick Fox, and I have to tell you this. I'm 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:58.000 a Phoenix Suns fan, but I am also you know, 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:01.000 the Sons have been in a dumpster fire or until 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:06.920 you know recently, so from like uh nine until recently, 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:10.319 just whatever team Lebron's been on has been my team, 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:12.040 you know, outside of the Suns. You see, I got 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:18.680 Charles Barkley up there. But uh, I haven't had more passionate, 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:25.280 screaming conversations with other grown men about I've had more 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:32.199 of those arguments about your Cavaliers teams with than anything 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:34.920 else in my life. I'm talking. I've had screaming matches 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:38.839 with grown men about the Cavaliers. Oh it's serious, Like 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:41.400 like I'm I'm saying, like, obviously you got traded in 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:43.440 what twenty fifteen in the middle of the season, right, 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:47.240 or was that the Calves from the Knicks. Was that 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:51.400 the trade that when you and gr came over. Yep, yeah, 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:54.600 that season, right, and so I just I just want 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:57.839 to go over that that time period, man. Now, that 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:01.160 first year was one of the biggest what if year's 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:03.880 ever And every time I argue with the Warriors fan, 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:09.600 like this fucker right here, my producer, I always just 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:12.600 think about, like that team, and we always see the 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:16.040 meme of like what the Warriors had as their starting 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:18.199 five and who the Cavaliers had as they're starting five 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:22.839 because Kevin Love got injured, Kyrie was out but still 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:24.400 took it to six games. I think it was Matthew 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:26.320 Deladova was starting at point guard. I think were you 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:28.720 starting at the three or the four? I think you 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:33.640 were starting at the three. Tristan Thompson mos Golf. What 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:37.760 do you remember about that series that you know a 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:40.680 lot of people had said Lebron probably should have still 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:42.960 won the finals MVP obviously Iggy ended appointing it, But 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:45.480 that was such a hard fought series, man, Like, what 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:47.960 was that like kind of coming from the Knicks from like, 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:51.040 you know, a team that probably fell short of a 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:53.280 lot of people's expectations and then just going straight to 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:55.280 the finals that first year? What was that? What was 0:11:55.320 --> 0:12:01.520 that experience? Like, man, what do you mean, Like, what 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:05.199 do you mean instead of going I mean, like you 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:07.720 you get traded and then that first year you're in 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:12.800 the finals. Oh well, make no mistake. Field traded us 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:16.240 and wasn't supposed to trade us. Joe, we'd a big 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:19.120 cool over there New York, Joe, like we're still with 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:21.640 the war some ship. After while, we just wasn't together 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:24.600 long enough. They broke us up. Phil, I don't know 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:29.600 what you was doing, feel but that was incorrect. But 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:33.000 we did, Phil Jackson kind of for a few years. Yeah, 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:41.760 shout out to you for that, bro. But uh, when 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:46.040 we got over there, like it took us. It took 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:49.800 us just a quick second to like be able to 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:51.800 really like go to war with each other and practice. 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:54.520 I feel like right when we first got over there 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:56.559 were still banged up. I was still coming off with 0:12:56.600 --> 0:13:01.520 shoulder injury. I dislocated my shoulder, hadn't been playing. So 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:06.000 when we got traded, Uh, just jy'all was playing, but 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:08.400 he was like nursing something as well, Like we were 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:11.240 just coming over. Everything was just sort of random. I 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:14.640 don't think he like did much his first game and 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:21.000 then once we got into them practices, we had some 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:26.480 special practices that team, Like I don't know, like before 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:28.440 we got when we first showed up, like before I 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:31.640 started practicing, I just remember coming in practice and being like, bro, 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:35.280 this is too smooth, Like y'all have no beef, Like 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:38.600 there's no hectic, there's nothing like, there's nothing to push 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:44.360 y'all at all. And that's what me Jr. And Mazi 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:46.280 that's what we was like, that's what we owned now 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:51.720 because y'all got Kyrie kd lebron K Love and Bron 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:54.520 So it's like it ain't like it's gonna be many 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:57.959 basketballs being passed around, you know what I'm saying, too crazy, 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:02.040 So we just sort of brought like a toughness and 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:04.439 a swag and a fun you know what I'm saying, 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:06.640 Like I feel like, damn near they were scared to 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:08.880 celebrate a three pointer, you know what I'm saying, Like 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:11.400 if you watch them, they were just like regular like yeah, yeah, 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:14.160 goot y'all. Yeah, it was just like great guys like yeah, 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:17.120 no good like good play like and then when we 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:19.880 got there, we was just like we don't do some swag. 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:22.360 We just so like, yeah, we coming from New York, 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:24.840 we just you know what I'm saying, Like we used 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:27.080 to giving that Showman like our crowd like that shit. 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:29.160 Like we like we we point at the crowd and 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:31.360 start talking shit. New York loved that shit. I'm like, 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:33.280 y'all just gonna have to get with it over here, 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:35.200 Like I don't know what y'all got going on, but 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:38.440 we're not doing this quietly like that's what we brought 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:40.480 to the team. But it was like marching through that 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:45.000 and seeing Bron Like once we lost Kay and he 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:51.520 halfed his knee because quiet as kept Bro when that 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:54.880 misshot came off in Game one. If I throw that 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:57.640 mob back in, it's a different series because kle never 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:00.280 has his knee, you know what I'm saying, Man, Like 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.760 Kyrie plays that one in the overtime. No, he did 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:05.200 play that series, you know what I'm saying. But if 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:06.920 he plays that full series, that's what I'm saying, he 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:08.520 plays the full series. I think you guys went. If 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:10.760 I hit that over and then basketball is different forever 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:14.000 because y'all wouldn't be running around head shooting all these threes. 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:16.360 My man wouldn't be over here shaking his head all 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:20.360 confidently with this Golden State s. Kat probably come over 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:22.320 there and play with us as opposed to them, because 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:27.360 we won. You know what I'm saying. What I did, 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:30.920 Katie would have been like they won over there, the 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:32.720 go over here and shake with them. Me and Bron 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:36.360 finda played together, and y'all finna be mad. But that 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:40.600 would have ruined basketball too, So I can either way ruined. No, 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:42.880 he didn't. It wasn't Katie. It was Broun first going 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:45.720 to Miami. Bron knows her basketball. Let me ask you this, 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:47.800 do you think that was I always look at the 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:50.400 front I ruined basketball? He thought he was. He thought 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:52.280 he was making it better. I get him. So you 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:55.840 think Lebron ruined it for everything? He ruined the dis 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:01.640 me personally, I love the NBA for the little tea 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:05.800 that I thought was there. He basically knocked the fourth 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:09.120 wall down. Like man, the owners, they ship, they bullshit 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:12.880 and we're doing what we want. Great business move, for sure, 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:16.320 But when you think about it outside looking in, like 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:18.920 I got people tweeting me right now, they like literally 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:21.400 talking about owners and trays and it's like, bro, y'all 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:23.440 not supposed to be talking about none of them. Actually, 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:27.360 y'all really supposed to be going super crazy if you're 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:29.680 a businessman and you're sitting outside looking at you like damn. 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:31.960 The fans are supposed to be worried about the game. 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:33.920 They supposed to be talking shit like they used to be. 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:35.600 We used to just sit there and talk shit like 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.080 of course, I don't care. You're not finn I was 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:40.360 a Bulls fan. You're not allowed to talk shit about 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:43.720 Jude Butler. Shout out to Jedd Butchler also a great 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:46.560 volleyball player. Everyone knows that. Like, you're not allowed to 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:50.040 talk about Jason Caffey, none of my guys or or 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:52.880 what was the other guy's name of Randy Brown? Randy Brown, 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:56.920 you know, you know Randy Brown. Shout out to him. 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:59.000 We could go down to random book Bill Whitnington. But 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:00.920 I'm just yeah, I'm not playing about the Bulls. And 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:05.040 it's like I feel like now because everybody's teaming up 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:07.199 and shit, like you'll hear people like no hen Man, 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:09.360 but they suck. You know what I'm saying. He needs 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:11.720 to go over here, he needs to get traded. I'll 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:14.520 be listening to this shit, like, bro, I'm like, do 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:17.280 y'all realize that the players that y'all just willing to 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:20.600 just if they don't win this year, Like y'all, he 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:22.960 get traded there and he can't win this year, and 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.480 now y'all just done. I'm like, bro, these two, these 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:28.000 two playing styles, is gonna take at least three years 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:30.720 to figure each other out before y'all even got a shot. 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:33.200 Y'all big and y'all small gonna have to play together 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:35.239 for a little while. Become like an arms race though, right, 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:38.000 it's like very much like you gotta happen fast. It 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:41.080 has to happen immediately or else it's like everybody under 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:43.840 the Yeah, everybody's tweaking, and it'll be like, Bro, they 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:48.399 lost three games, like Bro, chill out eighty two games. 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:51.840 Somebody lose three, they start caring about what the man 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:54.200 wearing is he come in like it's just all type 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:57.000 of frantic And I feel like all the franticness happened 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:00.600 when bron went to Miami. That's when every thing became 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.359 so critical. I guess I agree with you in that 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:07.040 aspect that things changed as far as people. Oh no, no, 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:09.199 I'm not talking about the development of the game. If 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:10.760 you watch people how they score in the day. That 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:13.000 I just mean, like the way the fans perceived the game. Yeah, 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:15.000 they look at it like it don't mean much, because 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:18.879 I always look at the first super team from that 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:22.359 era being when Ray Allen and KG went to the 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:25.680 Celtics and won that first year. But that's not that's 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:29.240 not Lebron James. It's still not Lebron James or Dwayne 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:31.359 Wade for that matter, like y'all got to do because 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:34.520 that was even like kind of end of KG peak, 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:38.520 still peak KG, but kind of towards the end, you know, Peak, 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:42.080 d Wade, Peak, Lebron, Pete, Chris Bosh. I mean, I 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:44.639 guess I get it, but no, you don't get it. 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:47.840 Nobody gets it. I hear Richard's I think that it changed. 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:49.679 I think when Lebron went to the Heat, it definitely 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:52.639 changed supposed to do that. The way fans looked at 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:55.879 the way, they really start looking at it like it 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:59.560 just don't mean nothing, Like loyal c means nothing. So 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:02.800 when you talked about the Knicks earlier and how Phil 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:06.639 because everyone's ruined it. Phil was as great of a 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:08.440 coach as he was, was probably one of the worst 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:11.560 basketball people. But it's because basketball is in this hot 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:14.520 seat mode. So if we're not winning and he on 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:16.520 the hot seat, he thinking, oh I gotta shift it 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:18.840 and I gotta do this, and it's like, goofy, No, 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:21.440 you wasn't you. You ain't Like you got drafted in 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:27.520 twenty eleven, which was a crazy draft. That was Kyrie Kawhi, 0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:34.200 a lot of players in the War, Jimmy Butler, Kimba Twins, Kimball, Yeah, 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:38.760 the Mores. Yeah, Burks is a great player. Uh was 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:43.879 in that draft? What else? That's a hell of a draft. 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:49.200 Jimmer shout out to jimmer Man he should have. Yeah, 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:53.280 but no, when you go to the Knicks, mellows there 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:57.159 you got a great young nucleus yourself, j R. Smith, 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:00.840 he just took too long. Took to long win Man. 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:03.960 Amari had signed in what twenty ten, So by the 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:05.840 time you got it, because a Mari that first year 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:08.399 with the Knicks really had like an MVP type season. 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:11.119 But then I think after that the injuries kind of 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:14.120 caught up to him. But do you think that that's 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:16.760 what happened with the Knicks? Like, had you guys stuck 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:20.240 around and jailed a little bit longer, Like I felt 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:23.480 like when we after we went to this to the 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:25.760 second round and lost to Indy, which we shouldn't have 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:31.359 lost it, I feel like I'll keep my commence with 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:34.359 myself on that. But that's that's what. That's the Paul George, Roy, 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:38.160 Herbert Land Stevenson team. Yeah, keep my comments myself, don't 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:39.960 keep it. Get should have won, We should have won. Okay, 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:42.760 how many games? How many games of that series? Got six? 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:49.280 Should have won. And coming off of that, I'll never 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:52.040 forget working out doing all this other stuff and were 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:57.680 getting ready to report back. Novak gets traded, and I'm like, 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:03.879 what the fuck? Once Novak got traded, it was just 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:07.600 like what are we doing? Like why do y'all continue 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:10.320 to it was like it just seemed like we're just 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:14.120 doing stuff to our team to just just to do it. Yeah, 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:18.000 because Novak was like id role player. But it was 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:21.120 perfect for our ball club, right, like a perfect fit. Yeah. 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:23.640 I could drive right whenever I want because nobody's gonna 0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:27.560 help off. No back, right, I'm gonna dunk this. Anybody 0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:30.919 got an issue with it, bring your man over here. 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:33.119 No back that counts for three? Need a count by two, 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:36.240 a count by three. If that's how I picks, but 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:38.440 we all knew each other. We had a vibe of 0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:41.920 energy together and then it was like, yeah, no, bag's gone, 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:45.320 meet Andre Bignani and it was like now we and 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:49.480 we got Drea just in an uncomfortable position because he like, 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:53.000 if he don't jail, now it's like what we trade 0:21:53.040 --> 0:21:54.800 for you, you know what I'm saying. So now it's 0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:57.760 like a weird energy on him, but it's really because 0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:00.280 we just miss our adults. Also to Bianni was like 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:02.520 in a weird position too, because that was like if 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:04.080 he did if it didn't work for him, there he's 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:06.480 definitely a bust, like you know what I mean. And 0:22:06.520 --> 0:22:08.040 then he was you know what I'm saying, nervous with 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:10.800 the injury stuff. Its just it was just a lot 0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:12.800 happening that It was just like, Bro, we had a 0:22:12.920 --> 0:22:15.879 nice thing going and I understand why I got tampered with, 0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:20.159 But who am I? Bro? How I'm trying to you? 0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:23.159 You were there during the insanity shit? Right? What was 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:27.280 because I feel like that was like a really one 0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:30.600 of the more awesome random things that have happened like 0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:32.720 in basketball in a long time, where you like, think 0:22:32.760 --> 0:22:35.560 of this guy who just he went to Harvard, Right, 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:38.280 he went to like like an ivy league school. I 0:22:38.320 --> 0:22:39.560 think he went to Harvard. He went to one of 0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:43.520 those Harbor or yeah, he went to Harvard Man and 0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:47.639 Tarbor or is it hot Shaman went to Harvard to No, no, no, 0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:53.200 Landry Fields. Oh Landry Fields. Huh? Which Dall State? She said, 0:22:55.480 --> 0:23:04.560 Landry Fields. No he didn't. I don't know. Yeah, but 0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:11.040 obviously Mellow's out when the insanity thing, you know, gets crazy, 0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:16.080 he comes back. Was there like a weird dynamic within 0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:20.080 the team when Mellow came back, like with the insanity 0:23:20.119 --> 0:23:22.679 shit just kind of starting to tail off? What you mean? 0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:26.119 Was it a weird way because obviously when that when 0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:28.480 that started, like Mellow was out with was out with 0:23:28.520 --> 0:23:30.600 an injury, right, yeah, he pulled his growing though it 0:23:30.720 --> 0:23:32.600 was like a week. It was a week, Okay, Okay, 0:23:32.600 --> 0:23:34.399 I just remember that, like like if you watch the 0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:36.560 sports shows. But that's what I'm saying about the sports show. 0:23:36.600 --> 0:23:39.879 It's like you got the media now doing all that. 0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:42.040 It's like, I guess that's what I'm asking. Was there 0:23:42.080 --> 0:23:43.879 a weird energy when Mellow came back? Or was it 0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:46.399 Mellow as happy as hell and he was super happy 0:23:46.480 --> 0:23:48.520 that he like, Bro, I can finally rest y'all win it. 0:23:49.440 --> 0:23:52.240 Mellow wasn't even healthy when he first came because it 0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:54.840 was a lockout year. So it's like when Mellow got hurt, 0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:58.119 it was like he putting this on his back stat 0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:01.399 in and out the lineup. Mello really got us on 0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:06.200 his back playing forty minutes in November, you know what 0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:08.760 I'm saying to where it's like I didn't understand it 0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:10.760 back then. But it's like, Bro, the Vets ain't supposed 0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:13.720 to be that heavy on they knees right now. We're 0:24:13.720 --> 0:24:15.000 supposed to wait till we get to the meat and 0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:16.720 potatoes of the season. But you think that's that's what 0:24:16.760 --> 0:24:18.720 everyone would always get on the bron about that, Like 0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:20.399 in the beginning of the season he might take some 0:24:20.480 --> 0:24:22.080 possessions off or he might you know what I mean. Like, 0:24:22.119 --> 0:24:24.000 but it's like, yo, it's the end of the season 0:24:24.119 --> 0:24:27.560 is what matters, right, especially if you're a Shmello was 0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:34.280 dealing with that type stuff and then he set out 0:24:34.440 --> 0:24:36.800 and he was happy because he actually got some rests. 0:24:36.920 --> 0:24:39.440 He actually had some real like when he came back. 0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:44.920 The issue is never with uh jay Len. He was 0:24:44.960 --> 0:24:50.320 bumping hands with Dan Tony. The style that Jaylen needed 0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:55.400 was basically putting Mellow in a messed up spot because 0:24:55.400 --> 0:24:58.679 he's like, I'm kind of you're putting us in something 0:24:58.720 --> 0:25:01.760 that I'm sort of like ruining his possessions at time 0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:05.040 because you know what I'm saying, We're playing two totally 0:25:05.080 --> 0:25:06.760 different games, but you're trying to put us on the 0:25:06.800 --> 0:25:09.359 court at the same time. Like's not it's not working out. 0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:12.200 Like Mello's thing was when that man come in when 0:25:12.240 --> 0:25:14.600 we need him to for a stretch to do X, 0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:17.000 Y and Z, let's run that offense this way right 0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:19.840 and then give me a break right here, and then 0:25:19.920 --> 0:25:21.560 you know what I'm saying, And it was like they 0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:24.240 just weren't. I don't know if Mello seemed to controller 0:25:24.240 --> 0:25:26.399 because Mellow usually don't say much to a coach, you 0:25:26.480 --> 0:25:28.080 know what I'm saying, But Yeahda and Tony from what 0:25:28.119 --> 0:25:30.800 I understand, like you know again, I'm a Suns fan, 0:25:30.880 --> 0:25:34.080 so seven seconds or less era, you know exactly, which 0:25:34.119 --> 0:25:37.320 is why it was like Mello understood, like this is 0:25:37.400 --> 0:25:40.560 what you like, like Jaylen come in quick decisions happen 0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:42.359 in wooh wooh. But he's like, gee, I'm just not 0:25:43.680 --> 0:25:46.320 You're not that nugget. Yeah, I'm not Carmelo from the 0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:50.480 Nuggets that's trying to one foot on the breakaway all 0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:53.320 day long. Like he's like just a lockout year. You 0:25:53.359 --> 0:25:55.320 know what I'm saying, Let me pick my spots, getting 0:25:55.400 --> 0:25:57.720 my rhythm so that when we do into the playoffs, 0:25:58.080 --> 0:26:00.639 I'm ready to go. Like he like I gotta be 0:26:00.720 --> 0:26:02.600 in my bag and he like we're not playing at 0:26:02.640 --> 0:26:05.160 this tempo during the playoffs. You know what I'm saying, 0:26:05.240 --> 0:26:08.000 Like that's how you felt. That makes like when they 0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:11.760 when they start bumping heads, it was like, yeah, media 0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:14.479 is going crazy. Everybody's tweaking all we need to make 0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:17.479 all these changes and shit, and it's like in all actuality, Bro, 0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:19.480 were playing a game like every other day. Me and 0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:22.200 jay Len don't know shit. We just winging it. You 0:26:22.240 --> 0:26:23.960 know what I'm saying. I'm like, Bro, I had a 0:26:24.160 --> 0:26:28.119 good rookie season strictly based off me loving basketball and 0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:30.760 just being like fuck the other side. You know what 0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:32.760 I'm saying, Like, that's the only reason because you finished 0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:34.879 like I think top five and Rookie of the Year voting, right, 0:26:35.440 --> 0:26:37.240 I just tore my knee up. If I would have 0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:39.040 tore my knee up and had I wouldn't have toren 0:26:39.040 --> 0:26:42.320 my knee up and had a good playoff stint, Like, yeah, 0:26:42.400 --> 0:26:44.600 I would have felt way better going in my second year. 0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:46.960 But it was like literally every year in the summer, 0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:49.560 I had to get some sort of surgery. We always 0:26:49.560 --> 0:26:51.680 think I took. I think I took. I had two 0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:53.520 years in the league where I didn't get a surgery 0:26:53.520 --> 0:26:55.040 and something. Yeah, you had a lot of I feel 0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:57.960 like injuries were always kind of like a thing that 0:26:58.040 --> 0:27:00.359 plagued you throughout your you know your you know, they 0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:03.480 ain't play me. That's just that's just basketball, right, Well, 0:27:03.520 --> 0:27:05.760 it ain't basketball because they don't do it. That's like 0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:09.040 how I got paid, because it's like for some reason 0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:11.399 they act like they can't run through a screen and 0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:14.320 deal with whatever come with it. And it was like 0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:17.800 I never really cared. I'm like, charge it to the game, bro, 0:27:17.960 --> 0:27:19.679 that's war, you know what I'm saying. Like that's how 0:27:19.680 --> 0:27:22.359 I be feeling about it, Like yeah, I'm limping the 0:27:22.440 --> 0:27:25.080 next day and shit, but it's just like charge it, bro, 0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:27.960 you know what I'm saying. I'll just be looking around 0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:31.560 the league and seeing like when guys die on screens 0:27:31.760 --> 0:27:34.639 or they chasing the guy down. It's like, Bro, you 0:27:34.760 --> 0:27:36.639 know you're supposed to dive on that, but they just 0:27:36.720 --> 0:27:38.600 don't want to do it, just in case they was 0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:41.040 to get hurt, because they can in the game they could. 0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:43.720 I done seen minds that in the game they could remember, 0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:45.960 like I don't do that, you can get hurt. Got 0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:48.760 to finish with fifteen points, and I'm like, Bro, I 0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:51.440 can't remember that in the game. I have no clue 0:27:51.520 --> 0:27:54.240 how many points I have. No, I don't care. Like 0:27:54.359 --> 0:27:57.000 the ball laying there, I'm not trying to I'm diving 0:27:57.080 --> 0:27:58.800 on it, and I'd love for us to run into 0:27:58.880 --> 0:28:00.919 each other. So you're seeing that's like a conscious thing 0:28:01.000 --> 0:28:04.040 that players will. It's a lot of recognize, Hey, look, 0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:05.440 we don't go after these kind of balls because it 0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:08.679 can suck up the bag. I've had guys tell me, emon, 0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:12.040 stop doing that. Why are you going? Why are you 0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:14.359 doing that? Like what are you doing? I'm like, Bro, 0:28:14.480 --> 0:28:18.000 it's a loose ball. They like, damn, you have no 0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:20.359 chance at that rock. I'm like, Bro. In the middle 0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:24.240 of the game though, like you know, like in the championship, 0:28:24.240 --> 0:28:26.000 you're gonna go for it too, you know what. I'm 0:28:26.000 --> 0:28:27.800 saying it's like, gee, I think I could get to that, 0:28:28.000 --> 0:28:29.600 Like that's how I be feeling. I think I could 0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:31.440 get to it. Like so I'm gonna try. You know 0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:35.400 what I'm saying, I'm a fuck it And I think 0:28:35.440 --> 0:28:37.520 a lot of times like yeah, I would get hurt 0:28:37.560 --> 0:28:39.840 and they'll literally be like, Bro, just shit your ass down, 0:28:39.960 --> 0:28:41.440 like you ain't even have to do that, like you 0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:43.880 ran through that screen. Now you sitting out for two games, 0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:46.280 Like why do you keep doing that? And I'm just 0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:48.680 like gee, Like sometimes I be feeling like this is 0:28:48.760 --> 0:28:50.920 the three that's gonna decide the game. Like I don't 0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:53.040 know why I'm like that, but I just am like, Bro, 0:28:53.240 --> 0:28:55.200 he can't have it. I don't want him to have it, 0:28:56.120 --> 0:28:58.680 or it'd be some ship. Whereas like like when I 0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:01.200 messed my wrist up literally just getting ready for the 0:29:01.240 --> 0:29:03.480 season and I'm dunking too hard, but it's like, Bro, 0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:06.680 I want it bad, like I want it real bad. 0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:08.920 I can't. I don't have that presence of mind to 0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:12.120 be like, all lay this up because you could mess 0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:14.200 your wrists up on the rim. It's like, Bro, doundunked 0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:16.360 this a million times as hard as I could and 0:29:16.520 --> 0:29:18.920 never messed up my wrist today, I messed up my wrists. 0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:22.600 Like that's crazy, man, Little stuff like that. But that's 0:29:22.840 --> 0:29:24.720 you got to charge it to the game. Man. Life 0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:26.200 ain't so. But I feel like you had a great 0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:28.640 career though. I mean, obviously, I feel like when we 0:29:28.760 --> 0:29:32.479 look back at, you know, at least my favorite memories 0:29:32.520 --> 0:29:34.880 in basketball the last decade, you're a part of those. 0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:37.720 You know, I'm part of a lot of history now, yeah, man, 0:29:38.000 --> 0:29:39.880 a lot of history. Whether they let me back in 0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:42.479 or not, I'm part of what was there? Was there 0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:46.080 like any sort of serious like, I mean, obviously it's basketball, 0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:48.880 so I'm using the word hatred sports hatred, But was 0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:51.360 it like what was like the disdain you guys had 0:29:51.440 --> 0:29:54.520 for the Warriors during those years? Yeah, we ain't fuck 0:29:54.560 --> 0:29:59.959 with them. I ain't like them. I'm a huge fan 0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:05.440 and of all of them. Now though it's crazy, even 0:30:06.120 --> 0:30:08.400 even like down to Draymond, Like we had this thing. 0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:10.640 It's like you hate to play against Draymond, but like 0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:15.200 it's really hard not to like dude speak with his chest, 0:30:16.240 --> 0:30:20.600 say what he feel, passionate about the game, he come 0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:23.360 on the court, not to like you, like he's the 0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:25.400 kind of guy who you hate, but you would love 0:30:25.440 --> 0:30:28.240 if he was. If he was that team, we're gonna 0:30:28.240 --> 0:30:30.240 be the best of friends. But it's like he want 0:30:30.280 --> 0:30:32.640 to go to war. He don't want to play. Like 0:30:32.760 --> 0:30:37.200 he's one of the guys that's like helping basketball. He's 0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:39.440 doing what I like. Like he one of those guys. 0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:42.880 He's a blend guy, a glue guy. Like you need 0:30:42.960 --> 0:30:44.640 him around, you know what I'm saying, You need his 0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:49.160 voice around his whatever. Like Clay another guy keep his 0:30:49.280 --> 0:30:53.760 head down, he gonna shoot it. I loved playing against 0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:55.960 Clay because Clay is one of the only people like 0:30:56.240 --> 0:30:59.600 I done got in my battles with Kyle kor JJ Reddick, 0:31:00.040 --> 0:31:02.320 all of them push off, get mad. I'm all over 0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:05.240 roughing them up, talking shit to him. You know what 0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:11.320 I'm saying. Klay Thompson does not complain the refs like 0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:13.560 he's not gonna do the oh ref look at him. 0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:17.680 He God, man, you gravitate Klay Thompson. You holding him? 0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:21.400 That man goes chop your wrists down so fast. And 0:31:21.480 --> 0:31:24.560 I was like, bro, I love this young light skiing brother. Man. 0:31:25.400 --> 0:31:27.760 This dude don't care. Man, he willing to fight me. 0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:30.480 Like That's how I felt about Clay. I'm like, Clay 0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:32.960 is willing to fight me, bro, just to get off 0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:35.280 this screen. He doesn't care. He looked dead at the 0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:39.000 ref and pushed me off, like hands to my neck push, 0:31:39.600 --> 0:31:42.400 I'm gonna fall back like this they call the offensive 0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:44.960 foul and Clay just ran down the court like he 0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:47.200 didn't give a fuck, like and I was like, I 0:31:47.400 --> 0:31:49.400 love these dudes. I just hate him for now. I 0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:51.920 hate them. Yeah, it felt like cause you got to 0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:54.280 keep seeing them, and it felt like a serious like, 0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:56.240 I mean, one of the more I feel like the 0:31:56.400 --> 0:32:00.360 probably the most serious basketball beef, beef that we've seen 0:32:00.920 --> 0:32:05.560 since the nineties. It was two different styles, and we 0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:09.600 kind of knew. We all knew, like, whoever wins the 0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:12.920 most of this this little war we got going on, 0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:16.920 whoever wins the most chips? Basketball is headed in that style. 0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:20.800 That's what was scary about. Like we knew it meant 0:32:20.920 --> 0:32:25.400 more because we like, bro, like the kids are gonna 0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:28.040 either continue to go to the post and want to 0:32:28.080 --> 0:32:32.120 shoot fadeaways or they gonna think this shit, Okay just 0:32:32.240 --> 0:32:35.400 shooting this ship from half court. Ship like we was talking, No, 0:32:36.320 --> 0:32:38.440 we've been talking about this ship, Like I remember me 0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:40.040 and Switch like, man, you want to shoot that ship 0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:42.280 from forty, Let him shoot that ship from forty. Fuck him? 0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:46.320 Like that's the conversation me. And so I'm gonna come, hey, switchman, 0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:48.479 fucking you wanna shoot that ship from forty. Let him 0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:51.080 shoot that ship from forty. Dogs shoot that all night, nigga, 0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:53.600 Like that's what we That's how I'm feeling when I'm 0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:56.200 really on the court, like a let him, bro, I 0:32:56.400 --> 0:32:59.560 wish you would pull pull pull that, bro, please for 0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:02.120 we go. It is down y'all throat, like, please shoot that. 0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:05.000 That's how we felt about it till this little motherfucker 0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:08.080 started making it. Yeah, but it's like once he started 0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:09.880 making it now t Lou looking at us at the 0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:12.560 drawing board like, hey, y'all gonna get out there, show 0:33:12.600 --> 0:33:16.240 what we gonna do. You shocked you shocked him making 0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:18.800 it now like it got to that point, It's like, Bro, 0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:22.000 when I think about it now, I'm just like, Bro, 0:33:24.640 --> 0:33:29.280 I don't I keep saying basketball changed, like they ruined 0:33:29.360 --> 0:33:31.520 it type of thing, But I'm like, you ruined the 0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:34.720 version that I like. I just feel like it's just 0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:37.000 it's just a version. I like when you really when 0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:40.080 you really think about it, pound for pound, how basketball 0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:42.880 it is today. It's scary how good they are. This 0:33:43.040 --> 0:33:44.959 is true. I feel like there's more good players now 0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:48.000 than ever as far as like skilled, skilled or just 0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:53.120 like skilled. Basically literally weeded out the other stuff, like 0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:55.320 the blended stuff. If you think about some of the 0:33:55.360 --> 0:33:57.680 guys that used to make All Star teams, there was 0:33:57.720 --> 0:33:59.080 guys that used to make All Star teams in the 0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:01.000 nineties that you like, you would like look back at 0:34:01.040 --> 0:34:03.320 some of the All Star rosters in like the early nineties, 0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:05.680 and you'd be like, yo, he made an All Star team. 0:34:06.080 --> 0:34:08.640 Like now it's like the people who are wait, what 0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:11.239 are you talking about? I mean like sometimes you like 0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:13.279 like like like I'm not talking about I'm some about 0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:16.720 like early nineties, like I think I saw Terry Cummings 0:34:16.840 --> 0:34:20.680 is on an All Star team. There's there's just players 0:34:20.760 --> 0:34:23.960 that you think, like, now you can make an All 0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:26.480 Star team out of like the top fifteen guys that 0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:29.360 didn't make the All Star team. And I feel like 0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:34.000 you understand what I'm saying, copy copy copy, Like now 0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:38.000 it's like the the the guys who aren't making All 0:34:38.040 --> 0:34:41.640 Star teams would have been like you can put a team, Yeah, 0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:49.440 it's like insane. Like basketball has changed from like it's 0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:54.719 not so much that chessboard anymore. It's checkers. It's not 0:34:54.840 --> 0:34:58.720 Great Popovich anymore. It's not chess, it's checkers. It's checkers. 0:34:59.000 --> 0:35:02.239 It's king me. This is the most arms race. It's 0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:06.040 kingsme like, but it's it's the reason why I say 0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:10.440 that is because there's literally no thought involved. Like Damian 0:35:10.480 --> 0:35:13.359 Lillard is gonna come down here full speed and jump 0:35:13.440 --> 0:35:15.959 and just shoot. Yeah, he's gonna shoot a forty foot 0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:18.279 If you step up, that means he's going to the 0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:20.279 basket all the way to the basket. But this is 0:35:20.360 --> 0:35:23.279 not a foot race. Immediately if he can't get it, 0:35:23.320 --> 0:35:26.799 it's to CJ. And it's the same thing, immediate action. 0:35:27.160 --> 0:35:31.400 Like I think that the if you go look at 0:35:31.480 --> 0:35:34.720 older games. You go watch the game in the eighties, 0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:38.880 they sprint the ball up the sideline, they throw the 0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:40.760 ball to the corner of the flatt and the defense, 0:35:41.040 --> 0:35:43.040 they throw it back up and then they throw it 0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:46.319 into the post. You go to the nineties, they took 0:35:46.400 --> 0:35:49.960 that same formula, except they threw a shooter into the 0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:53.160 corner and then tossed it straight down to the post 0:35:53.239 --> 0:35:55.000 and the post. Didn't have to be a big man. 0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:58.160 But it's all to fuck up the rotations of the defense. 0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:03.080 Now the fuck up is they bringing a ball screen. 0:36:03.760 --> 0:36:05.399 They're not even going to the corner of the flat 0:36:05.440 --> 0:36:07.440 and the defense or throw it in. They're keeping you 0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:11.040 way out. So it's like when the game changing dynamic 0:36:11.280 --> 0:36:14.680 like that, when you're watching this shit, I don't know 0:36:14.760 --> 0:36:17.200 how other people process it, but like I didn't have 0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:19.399 to sit there and like watch you know, I played. 0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:21.520 I gotta play to whoever the best player is. So 0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:25.080 I get a lot of this watching how they coming 0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:28.359 down and being like, bro, their point of attack. Yeah, 0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:30.439 you were kind of the guy who defended the best 0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:32.160 player on the other kind to deal with that, right, 0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:35.120 that was what you So I'm looking at every scheme 0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:39.719 like I'm like, bro, like I've literally made it to 0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:41.600 Like you got to think my first year in the league, 0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:44.279 I had to guard all those in game possessions, so 0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:46.319 I'm used to at the end of the game, I'm 0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:47.960 about to have to go to the posts and deal 0:36:48.040 --> 0:36:52.040 with so much contact and drops and back doors and 0:36:52.200 --> 0:36:54.239 shit that I got to deal with in this mold. 0:36:54.400 --> 0:36:57.160 And it was like also when you got drafted that 0:36:57.280 --> 0:36:59.960 wasn't the best, Like, you're probably the best defensive life 0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:02.000 at least one of the best defensive players on that 0:37:02.120 --> 0:37:05.040 next team, like not don lot of yourself. I was 0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:07.080 the best defensive player. I mean, listen, I don't want 0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:09.440 to Tamates. No, you could do it. They were, They 0:37:09.480 --> 0:37:10.880 were great on I mean, you know you can do 0:37:10.920 --> 0:37:13.040 it if you want to. Nobody at the end of 0:37:13.080 --> 0:37:14.640 the game when it go down, you had to pick 0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:16.360 up a lot of slack, is what I'm saying. I 0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:18.920 mean I had to pick up slack. It just it's 0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:20.440 one of them moves, like when you get to the 0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:23.279 NBA you start realizing he's grown ass men. This ain't 0:37:23.840 --> 0:37:27.239 oh man Melo doesn't know how to guard people? Is nah, 0:37:27.360 --> 0:37:30.640 fan Emon, you guard him? I'm finished score forty. Yeah, 0:37:31.400 --> 0:37:34.359 that's this grown man ship. This is JR. Literally all 0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:38.719 come out there and be like tape, I don't look 0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:41.600 handle that. I'm not chasing him. I don't care what 0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:45.840 the I don't care what the the plays is, you 0:37:45.920 --> 0:37:49.080 know the assignments, and I don't care. You tired, look 0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:51.879 guard him. I'm tired. I don't feel like guarding. That's 0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:54.759 what JR say and the like all right, cool, that 0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:59.480 was my job, Like what you tired? But Stat died 0:37:59.520 --> 0:38:01.600 on the screen and I had to guard the four man. 0:38:01.880 --> 0:38:04.000 That's when they first realized I started doing the strip. 0:38:04.280 --> 0:38:06.839 He was down a lot of screens. But that's when 0:38:06.880 --> 0:38:10.080 they As a Suns fan, one of the more frustrating 0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:12.879 guys to love is But that's why a T shirt 0:38:12.920 --> 0:38:14.680 right now, That's why I come in. That's what I'm saying. 0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:17.000 I come That's why they like flaying with me though, 0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:19.200 because it was like how he didn't average more rebounds. 0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:21.359 It was just the most frustrating shit ever as a fan. 0:38:21.680 --> 0:38:24.080 What all time with the Sons? Yeah, I'm like, bro, 0:38:24.120 --> 0:38:26.279 you should have had twelve twelve games, you gotta miss 0:38:26.640 --> 0:38:29.840 eight nine. Y'all wasn't missing much so he ain't got 0:38:29.920 --> 0:38:33.200 no offensive rebounds, all defensive rebounds. Let me ask you 0:38:33.239 --> 0:38:37.080 about this. It's crazy. People really don't be thinking it through, Like, 0:38:37.320 --> 0:38:39.680 think about it. Stat would have had fifteen to twenty 0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:43.480 rebounds a game, but Steve Nash had them winning and scoring. 0:38:43.640 --> 0:38:47.840 That bitch that was offensively. The defensively, yeah, he go 0:38:47.960 --> 0:38:52.520 corral some rebounds offensively, ain't no tapping it back in nothing, 0:38:52.600 --> 0:38:57.120 It's water all the other said, wait, hold on, time 0:38:57.160 --> 0:38:59.160 to stop the interview, because we got to talk about 0:38:59.200 --> 0:39:01.880 our good folks socks. Man, listen. If you go to 0:39:01.960 --> 0:39:07.279 odd Socksofficial dot com, that's oddsoxofficial dot com. Use the 0:39:07.360 --> 0:39:10.680 keyword keyword. It's a fucking promo code. Use the fucking 0:39:10.719 --> 0:39:14.200 promo code. Bootleg keV. All right, at checkout, you'll save 0:39:14.280 --> 0:39:18.520 twenty percent off. They got Look at these SpongeBob joints, man, 0:39:18.600 --> 0:39:20.920 the Ninja Turtle boys, you know what I'm saying. 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You know, 0:39:57.080 --> 0:39:59.680 I feel like Kyrie cooke Steph in the most important 0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:04.000 moment in those series, did you guys look at him 0:40:04.000 --> 0:40:07.360 as like a like like, Yo, this is a target 0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:09.719 we gotta get Kyrie switched on to Steph? Like was 0:40:09.800 --> 0:40:13.640 Kyrie like always, Like wasn't a secret because I remember 0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:16.880 when Kyrie got like that last shot that in twenty sixteen, 0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:20.560 Like when Kyrie had step switched on to him, he 0:40:20.640 --> 0:40:22.640 had that look in his eyes like this is oh 0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:28.480 we was talking shit. Uh those was one of that 0:40:28.680 --> 0:40:34.879 time that we had for that was Uh, I can't 0:40:34.880 --> 0:40:39.520 remember what game it was. Kyle came off a screen 0:40:40.920 --> 0:40:47.160 and Steph didn't even try and Kyle, I believe he 0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:49.720 came he rescreened it because it was like a dummy 0:40:49.760 --> 0:40:53.719 screen and he re screened it, which Steph's supposed to 0:40:53.800 --> 0:40:59.040 immediately fight to switch back. And I'll never forget Steph 0:40:59.160 --> 0:41:02.880 going with the roller like he like made it his 0:41:03.120 --> 0:41:08.080 business that he was not guarding ky and we all 0:41:08.239 --> 0:41:11.239 kind of like looked around like you know what I'm saying, 0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:13.520 like what is what scheme is that? What are they doing? 0:41:13.680 --> 0:41:16.400 So broun Bron never lets you off the hook. If 0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:21.120 he sees something, he's gonna exploit it. I want to say. 0:41:21.480 --> 0:41:24.400 We did the same play the next time. They switched again, 0:41:24.560 --> 0:41:29.240 and then bron called the next time out and basically 0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:32.239 told t Lou all bets off. He has to guard him, 0:41:32.280 --> 0:41:34.799 he don't want to guard him. Well, by the end 0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:37.440 of that game, you could watch stuff on the screen 0:41:37.840 --> 0:41:42.320 like like like it was I have never seen that. 0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:46.759 I have never seen. Yeah, he didn't. He didn't draw 0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:50.480 the line until like game six. Game six, he drew 0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:53.120 the line. He was like, y'all not finna. Yeah, he 0:41:53.239 --> 0:41:55.640 started like slapping the floor type ship like nah, fuck 0:41:55.680 --> 0:41:58.080 that come on, Like now, y'all just disrespected me, like 0:41:58.160 --> 0:41:59.920 y'all not finna pick on me like a little kid. 0:42:00.400 --> 0:42:02.840 But for a second though, it was like because I 0:42:02.880 --> 0:42:04.759 had never seen somebody do that unless it's like you 0:42:04.840 --> 0:42:07.799 got five foules and you can't touch somebody, Like that's 0:42:07.920 --> 0:42:09.920 one thing. Yeah, that's one thing. You're protecting yourself. So 0:42:10.080 --> 0:42:12.040 they had like two fouls and he's just like the 0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:14.680 fourth quarter and he like, yo, somebody come get you 0:42:14.719 --> 0:42:16.960 know what I'm saying, Like you could tell he just 0:42:17.200 --> 0:42:19.080 was like, man, bro, I don't know what to do 0:42:19.200 --> 0:42:21.040 with him and we need to stop right now. So 0:42:21.120 --> 0:42:23.440 he just wanted somebody else on him. But then when 0:42:23.480 --> 0:42:25.759 we start picking on him, like you, he starts seeing 0:42:25.880 --> 0:42:29.600 like every thing is for like either your guarding Kyrie 0:42:30.000 --> 0:42:33.160 or you're guarding Lebron this play, but you're gonna play defense. 0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:34.920 You're not. You're not gonna have no legs for the 0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:37.320 rest of this series. That's what we was on. And 0:42:37.440 --> 0:42:39.000 then with Clay, it was just like I was just 0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:41.759 trying to beat him up as best I could. Yeah, Clay, 0:42:41.920 --> 0:42:43.680 get you gotta do what you can do, right man. 0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:47.200 It was like we just gonna keep on pressing at 0:42:47.239 --> 0:42:50.480 Clay and keep on doing as much sprinting sidelines as 0:42:50.520 --> 0:42:53.719 we can to keep him dealing with back doors and 0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:58.359 happen to stay disciplined. And then with Steph Curry, You're 0:42:58.480 --> 0:43:01.200 now gonna guard Lebron like you're gonna use your turbo 0:43:01.680 --> 0:43:06.000 every possession on defense. What do you think is the 0:43:06.080 --> 0:43:09.680 biggest misconception about Lebron James For someone who's been in 0:43:09.760 --> 0:43:12.759 the trenches with him, he's my favorite player ever, so, 0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:15.200 like you know, I kind of feel like he gets 0:43:15.200 --> 0:43:20.520 a lot of He lost in the finals. That's that's 0:43:21.000 --> 0:43:24.839 why people have that stigma of him. He is undeniably 0:43:26.400 --> 0:43:29.120 like when you on paper, this is the best athlete. 0:43:30.920 --> 0:43:33.279 I don't think we've seen a better one that can 0:43:33.600 --> 0:43:38.359 speak in public. Uh, be great with his family, give 0:43:38.440 --> 0:43:42.319 us a great you know what I'm saying. Like performance 0:43:42.360 --> 0:43:45.840 every night in a bullshit. He's not gonna get drunk 0:43:45.880 --> 0:43:48.480 to night before and have a terrible game or something. 0:43:48.520 --> 0:43:54.800 He's not gonna give us a some like dirty plays. 0:43:55.160 --> 0:43:57.400 Like the worst thing we had against Lebron was like, Bro, 0:43:57.440 --> 0:43:59.960 why are you flopping? And literally he started flopping because 0:44:00.040 --> 0:44:02.680 he's like, Bro, I gotta get these free throws. If 0:44:02.719 --> 0:44:04.640 these people getting free throws. Like he's like, bro, I'm 0:44:04.680 --> 0:44:06.880 really getting hit. So he like, I'll sell it for 0:44:07.000 --> 0:44:08.960 you since they can't see it. Because I'm so strong, 0:44:09.239 --> 0:44:11.680 y'all can't see me getting foul, So I gotta go 0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:13.880 like this to show y'all he just raked my arm. 0:44:14.000 --> 0:44:18.080 But it's like, besides that, bro Bron has gone out 0:44:18.120 --> 0:44:21.279 here every night and played hard. Of course he gonna 0:44:21.320 --> 0:44:23.880 have his times. He take off a day or two whatever, 0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:28.680 I get it. You get tired. But I don't know 0:44:28.760 --> 0:44:32.839 who's been more faithful to their just being disciplined into 0:44:32.920 --> 0:44:38.920 the game, like Ron knows every scheme, knows every coach, 0:44:39.480 --> 0:44:41.840 knows every player, he knows players in college. You know 0:44:41.880 --> 0:44:43.920 what I'm saying, Like, when we're talking about shit like this, 0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:48.000 He's put together an amazing body of work. I'd say 0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:53.520 the misconception with him is that them losses came from 0:44:53.760 --> 0:44:57.080 a lack of what he's capable of, and it's not. 0:44:57.680 --> 0:45:02.600 It's I think his losses is just his style. That's 0:45:02.719 --> 0:45:05.160 just how it goes because Bron plays it the right way. 0:45:05.400 --> 0:45:07.560 At the end of the game, when Mike says, I 0:45:07.600 --> 0:45:10.120 don't give a fuck what happens, I'm shooting this shot, 0:45:11.160 --> 0:45:14.720 Bron says, I'm gonna get to this spot and shoot. 0:45:15.239 --> 0:45:17.680 But if I get here and any one of them 0:45:17.800 --> 0:45:19.840 is flinching off of their man, I'm beaming it to 0:45:19.960 --> 0:45:23.399 that man and he'll be And to be fair, I mean, look, Mike, 0:45:23.480 --> 0:45:26.839 also John Paxton and Steve Kerr, and you know, there's 0:45:26.920 --> 0:45:28.400 there was times where he did the same thing. So 0:45:29.360 --> 0:45:32.120 I thought he was gonna say, did you know what 0:45:32.120 --> 0:45:34.560 I'm saying that there was no. No, there was times 0:45:34.600 --> 0:45:37.279 where he also, you know, at the end of very 0:45:37.320 --> 0:45:40.680 important games, found the open man talking about Steve Kurr, 0:45:40.760 --> 0:45:44.200 John Paxson, you know, those those But I think I 0:45:44.239 --> 0:45:47.200 also I think of the luck of the draw to 0:45:47.440 --> 0:45:51.440 like if you just think of like what Lebron had 0:45:51.480 --> 0:45:53.080 to go through all those years, because I always hear 0:45:53.160 --> 0:45:56.719 people say, well, the East was like a cakewalk, right like, 0:45:57.120 --> 0:46:01.040 and I disagree as far as you know, your guys's 0:46:01.080 --> 0:46:03.640 passed to the finals those years, it was just we 0:46:03.800 --> 0:46:07.680 was just a We was a juggernaut team. So it's like, yeah, 0:46:07.880 --> 0:46:10.840 it looked like the East was like that because we 0:46:11.040 --> 0:46:13.360 was running through it. The East wasn't easier. But I 0:46:13.480 --> 0:46:21.520 just think like just the Warriors before the Warriors became 0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:26.000 the LIT team, It's not even I think like the 0:46:26.080 --> 0:46:31.040 Warriors had to go get Kevin Durant to fuck with 0:46:31.160 --> 0:46:33.880 y'all for sure, period because well no, they didn't have to. 0:46:34.040 --> 0:46:36.480 They didn't have to because they needed it to like 0:46:36.640 --> 0:46:40.040 to feel superior. Yes, And to me, that is like, yo, 0:46:40.280 --> 0:46:43.279 like you you know, I think the twenty sixteen Ring 0:46:43.400 --> 0:46:46.120 is probably the hardest ring I've ever seen one. It's 0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:50.080 probably the most meaningful championship at least in my lifetime. Yeah, yeah, 0:46:50.640 --> 0:46:53.680 I'm being honest. I mean, you guys beat the seventy 0:46:53.680 --> 0:46:56.520 three and nine Warriors don't and no one ever even 0:46:56.719 --> 0:46:59.160 gives like that regular season it means shit because they 0:46:59.200 --> 0:47:03.640 didn't win the ring. This is true, and I almost 0:47:03.680 --> 0:47:07.080 feel like the two rings after that, like what did 0:47:07.120 --> 0:47:09.120 you want? Like, I mean that was four All Stars 0:47:09.160 --> 0:47:10.920 starting on the other side of that. I mean, but 0:47:11.040 --> 0:47:16.680 you I remember at one point people were saying Steph 0:47:16.840 --> 0:47:22.360 was gonna be out the league, like he had bad ankles. 0:47:22.600 --> 0:47:26.080 I remember early on, Yeah, they was talking about this 0:47:26.239 --> 0:47:28.760 man when he was winning all this shit. He was MVP. 0:47:28.920 --> 0:47:30.920 That man was on a forty million dollar contract. Bro, 0:47:31.360 --> 0:47:35.600 it's crazy they was done with him and this is 0:47:35.680 --> 0:47:38.680 the ship that be, Like this is why I got 0:47:38.840 --> 0:47:42.040 over them all playing together because I'm like, bro, no bullshit. 0:47:42.120 --> 0:47:44.200 I remember when they used to talk shit about Steph 0:47:44.280 --> 0:47:47.080 Curry and Glay Thompson. Well, those guys, the core group 0:47:47.160 --> 0:47:48.719 they all drafted, which is the one thing I can 0:47:48.760 --> 0:47:51.359 never take away from the words I'm saying. It's hard 0:47:51.440 --> 0:47:54.319 to say they got four All Stars. They just it's 0:47:54.400 --> 0:47:56.839 just the KD shit. Man. They was just whooping ass 0:47:57.200 --> 0:47:59.600 like and became all start like Draymond Green was one 0:47:59.640 --> 0:48:02.600 of them guys that people quote unquote say isn't an 0:48:02.600 --> 0:48:04.680 All Star, but it's like, bro, he mean that much 0:48:04.760 --> 0:48:06.920 to them. Like we knew in game five when that 0:48:07.040 --> 0:48:10.279 man didn't play, we saw how different they was. I'm like, bro, 0:48:11.719 --> 0:48:14.479 no it wasn't game five, game six. If he plays 0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:16.239 game six, do you guys think you still win the ring? 0:48:17.280 --> 0:48:20.319 It'd be tough. They're a different ball club. When they 0:48:20.360 --> 0:48:25.160 were there, was like it was like no bulls. It 0:48:25.280 --> 0:48:27.319 was like coming up to the park and beating up 0:48:27.360 --> 0:48:30.080 on some kids and they big brother just ain't there 0:48:30.160 --> 0:48:32.880 right now. That's what it felt like. It felt like 0:48:32.960 --> 0:48:35.319 we just came up to the park and bust y'all last, 0:48:35.360 --> 0:48:38.560 and y'all big homie wasn't here, and we beat y'all last, 0:48:38.760 --> 0:48:40.960 Like we just beat y'all lass. Y'all ain't doing shit 0:48:41.040 --> 0:48:44.520 about it, y'all. Now y'all calling dude, he got to 0:48:44.600 --> 0:48:47.160 come back up to the park this next game. We 0:48:47.360 --> 0:48:51.960 just hated the war bro that I haven't and then 0:48:52.040 --> 0:48:54.680 we were game six, Like you saw the like concern 0:48:54.840 --> 0:48:56.560 in their face. They was like, man, we do not 0:48:56.680 --> 0:48:58.320 want to go back to go to state dealing with 0:48:58.400 --> 0:49:00.319 these people, because now they were just looking like they 0:49:00.400 --> 0:49:03.680 was just defeated and now they look like blood thirsty 0:49:03.760 --> 0:49:06.040 for a win, like they kind of felt the energy. 0:49:06.520 --> 0:49:12.279 But the cool thing about that whole ship, like I 0:49:12.320 --> 0:49:16.080 don't think we would have known that, Like Draymond, what 0:49:16.120 --> 0:49:17.680 do you do? Hit bron and the ball? Yeah, he 0:49:17.800 --> 0:49:21.040 kept flinging his leg like it's crazy. Everything happen for 0:49:21.160 --> 0:49:23.200 a reason because it's like Bro, we would have never 0:49:23.600 --> 0:49:26.960 picked out how important Draymond was. Well. Also, if we 0:49:27.320 --> 0:49:30.480 that if we do the what if game, Kyrie is 0:49:30.840 --> 0:49:33.600 healthy in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, you guys probably have 0:49:33.680 --> 0:49:35.799 that ring as well if we're playing the what if game? 0:49:35.840 --> 0:49:38.719 And then KD would have came to the cast. Oh, 0:49:39.120 --> 0:49:43.120 shout out to Kevin Durant. I met him with I 0:49:43.120 --> 0:49:45.600 got listen. I got a shout out to Katie because 0:49:47.520 --> 0:49:52.960 I have been a KD at a certain point in time. 0:49:53.160 --> 0:49:55.520 Was I really liked the Thunder when they were young, 0:49:55.640 --> 0:50:00.680 and then I was as a fan his fan hate. 0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:02.279 I definitely had a lot of fan hate for him 0:50:02.280 --> 0:50:05.680 when he went to the Warriors and me and Freddy 0:50:05.680 --> 0:50:08.880 Gibbs went over to his crib last year and he 0:50:09.040 --> 0:50:12.359 was the nicest dude ever. And I had a Rex 0:50:12.440 --> 0:50:14.600 Chapman throwback Sun's jersey and we talked about my d 0:50:14.840 --> 0:50:16.440 He was just the nicest dude. So I had to 0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:20.320 call my homies and be like, Yo, Mank's not sensitive? 0:50:21.239 --> 0:50:23.960 Are we sure he's got the burner? He might be 0:50:24.160 --> 0:50:28.400 sensitive to the general public and ship? Right, you know 0:50:28.400 --> 0:50:29.960 what I'm saying, I ain't got nothing to do with that. 0:50:30.080 --> 0:50:33.279 I'm not general Pop. You feel I'm not Jim Pop. 0:50:34.400 --> 0:50:36.080 I ain't got nothing to do with that. Like, if 0:50:36.120 --> 0:50:39.080 you want to be awkward over Twitter and you got 0:50:39.239 --> 0:50:41.399 fence to, you know, I just found out what fence 0:50:41.440 --> 0:50:43.160 to is, Joe. I thought it was a different app. 0:50:43.200 --> 0:50:47.480 Is you having a fake Instagram? It's what Katie had. 0:50:47.480 --> 0:50:50.880 It's a burner account, but it's on Instagram. I know that. 0:50:51.000 --> 0:50:53.000 But it's like a whole world of people that got 0:50:53.040 --> 0:50:56.200 this ship. I bet I'm thinking that it's a whole 0:50:56.440 --> 0:50:58.880 what's the thing. Yeah, this is like a real society 0:50:58.960 --> 0:51:03.560 people have instance like it's a real secret society that whatever. 0:51:04.200 --> 0:51:06.080 But it's like if you if you do that whatever. 0:51:06.120 --> 0:51:10.440 I mean, when I'm when I'm around Kto, like well, 0:51:10.760 --> 0:51:11.920 like I said, I met him, I kicked it with 0:51:12.000 --> 0:51:14.319 him as crabby as super nice dude. But but he's 0:51:14.520 --> 0:51:17.759 an open dude, Like you can say true, well, we 0:51:17.800 --> 0:51:20.200 can have a basketball conversation and we'd be like, hey man, 0:51:20.280 --> 0:51:22.200 fuck you. And he's also like yeah, me and him 0:51:22.239 --> 0:51:24.759 had like great, Like I feel like I had conversation 0:51:24.880 --> 0:51:26.879 with him, like and he was super open and talking 0:51:27.120 --> 0:51:29.839 about hoops, put his guard down to the person. It's 0:51:29.880 --> 0:51:32.160 when you when you cast him into what he got 0:51:32.280 --> 0:51:33.560 to be and all the other that's when all of 0:51:33.640 --> 0:51:36.080 us get uncomfortable. Well, I just think of the Thunder 0:51:36.160 --> 0:51:38.200 being up three to one and against the Warriors and 0:51:38.239 --> 0:51:40.839 the Western I was going to join him after he lost. Why, 0:51:41.239 --> 0:51:44.280 I don't get it hurt my soul? Now, you guys 0:51:44.960 --> 0:51:48.320 are I feel like a gang? The Cavaliers were like 0:51:48.440 --> 0:51:50.640 you guys, for the most part, the crew was together 0:51:51.280 --> 0:51:54.120 through that whole time, right, obviously certain pieces coming and going. 0:51:54.440 --> 0:51:56.880 But when you guys got the news that Katie was 0:51:56.960 --> 0:52:02.880 joining the Warriors, what was that group chat like this 0:52:03.120 --> 0:52:05.920 snake That's how it was. Bro. It was just like, 0:52:06.000 --> 0:52:07.520 because you know you're gonna have to see them in 0:52:07.560 --> 0:52:10.600 the finals. I'm like, for what, that's what That's how 0:52:10.640 --> 0:52:13.680 we all looking like? Huh. They were like, well, we're 0:52:13.880 --> 0:52:17.040 Russ got to save That's what we are. Why Rus's 0:52:17.040 --> 0:52:19.640 been to save out that shit. That ship is crazy. 0:52:21.280 --> 0:52:24.600 But you know it was a wild that lasted all 0:52:24.760 --> 0:52:27.440 up until like half the season. Once we had already 0:52:27.480 --> 0:52:29.759 saw them one time, it was like all right, bro, 0:52:30.239 --> 0:52:32.359 you you made your decision, like you got to stay 0:52:32.400 --> 0:52:35.640 over there, a let's beat them. Like now it's like 0:52:35.800 --> 0:52:38.040 bumped at, I'm glady over there. Let's deal with this. 0:52:38.320 --> 0:52:40.240 Like what year did you get traded from the Cabs? 0:52:40.600 --> 0:52:43.920 Was it twenty eighteen? Twenty nineteen? Oh no, bro, did 0:52:43.960 --> 0:52:45.959 you got it from the Cabs? You went to the Kings. 0:52:46.040 --> 0:52:49.480 Y'all gonna have to google that is eighteen been eighteen? 0:52:49.800 --> 0:52:53.440 What trade was that? A part of I don't even know, bro. 0:52:53.560 --> 0:52:55.480 They were just trying to get me out of their kid. 0:52:55.640 --> 0:52:57.879 At that point you had to give me up out 0:52:57.920 --> 0:53:00.279 of there. I had to go. It wasn't you know 0:53:00.320 --> 0:53:06.480 what I'm saying, Like it was at some point it 0:53:06.680 --> 0:53:08.800 wasn't gonna work out with all of us. It just 0:53:08.920 --> 0:53:11.560 wasn't enough basketballs because you gotta think we don't one 0:53:12.200 --> 0:53:15.080 now we're going into the next transition year. I was 0:53:15.160 --> 0:53:18.000 already in their ear, like, hey, bro, it's time for 0:53:18.120 --> 0:53:19.719 me to get the ball back in my hands, like 0:53:20.719 --> 0:53:23.000 you know what I mean, Like I'm twenty five, I 0:53:23.080 --> 0:53:25.960 don't know you know what I mean? Like we got 0:53:26.040 --> 0:53:28.240 our ring and shit, I'm like, it's time to groom 0:53:28.320 --> 0:53:30.440 me back into my point guard ship. Like I played 0:53:30.520 --> 0:53:33.040 y'all game, I ran around in the three and d. Shit, 0:53:33.600 --> 0:53:35.520 I was never a three and D guy. It's like 0:53:35.680 --> 0:53:39.080 I played, you were a two way player like a motherfucker. Man, 0:53:39.200 --> 0:53:41.239 I feel it. I'm a basketball player. Everybody in the 0:53:41.320 --> 0:53:43.240 league should be a two way player like a motherfucker. 0:53:43.280 --> 0:53:45.239 You know what I'm saying. That should be standard, but 0:53:45.360 --> 0:53:47.800 it's not, which is weird. But they was trying to 0:53:47.880 --> 0:53:49.600 hype me up, like you're a three and D guy, 0:53:49.719 --> 0:53:52.160 like you can guard people. Yeah, everybody should be able 0:53:52.239 --> 0:53:53.960 to do that. That's pride, that ain't you know what 0:53:54.000 --> 0:53:56.160 I'm saying, Like that's being a grown up. I don't 0:53:56.160 --> 0:53:59.319 know what to fucking tell you, Like, yeah, I'll curry 0:53:59.320 --> 0:54:02.040 over here play defense for free, bro, Like I don't 0:54:02.080 --> 0:54:05.279 I don't really care, Like whatever did you part of 0:54:05.320 --> 0:54:07.520 the game. But I felt like it's time for your 0:54:07.600 --> 0:54:09.680 min to go back to playing point guard. And when 0:54:09.760 --> 0:54:12.480 I became that and I became bullheaded and that it 0:54:12.640 --> 0:54:14.319 was like he got to get out of here. Well, 0:54:14.360 --> 0:54:16.520 because you were a certain point in time. I don't 0:54:16.560 --> 0:54:17.920 remember what I got traded. I was gonna say a 0:54:17.920 --> 0:54:19.680 certain point in time you were like the you were 0:54:19.719 --> 0:54:22.680 running point for the Cavs, like a bit here and there. Yeah, 0:54:22.719 --> 0:54:24.279 here and there. Yeah, I remember that. That was the 0:54:24.480 --> 0:54:27.120 That was the issue. It was like, bro, it can't 0:54:27.160 --> 0:54:29.680 be a tease me type of thing. I'm like, Kyrie 0:54:29.840 --> 0:54:31.560 like to shoot that mog anyway. I don't know why 0:54:31.640 --> 0:54:33.920 y'all forcing him to play. Did you see the Kyrie 0:54:34.040 --> 0:54:36.960 thing festering? Because the most surprising thing to me was 0:54:37.000 --> 0:54:39.919 when he asked to leave. Did you see that coming 0:54:40.000 --> 0:54:45.440 at all? I don't really, but I've like we all 0:54:45.560 --> 0:54:48.200 meant like I think people read into it a little 0:54:48.239 --> 0:54:54.000 too hard sometimes, like as a man, how you wake 0:54:54.120 --> 0:54:56.080 up today ain't gonna be the same as tomorrow, you 0:54:56.160 --> 0:54:59.680 know what I'm saying. It's like it's stuff that he 0:54:59.760 --> 0:55:03.440 didn't dealing with talking directly to ownership that you know, 0:55:03.840 --> 0:55:05.560 a little past our pay grade if you're not the 0:55:05.600 --> 0:55:07.800 guy on the team. What I mean. So it's like 0:55:08.760 --> 0:55:10.880 all the stuff that was happening behind the scenes. We 0:55:10.960 --> 0:55:13.960 didn't know Kyrie had been there longer than anybody, you 0:55:14.040 --> 0:55:19.719 know what I'm saying. Uh, that's a deeper rooted conversation 0:55:19.880 --> 0:55:25.799 for him, Like we didn't. It didn't really I ain't 0:55:25.800 --> 0:55:28.799 see it coming. It wasn't a shock though. I say 0:55:28.920 --> 0:55:33.800 that way. I knew Kyrie wanted some things to change 0:55:33.960 --> 0:55:38.080 just based upon him being him and being there that long. 0:55:38.880 --> 0:55:40.640 And it's hard to do that when we don't know 0:55:40.719 --> 0:55:43.600 whose Batman is. Kyrie is like y'all going back and 0:55:43.719 --> 0:55:46.200 forth with when I'm Batman and I don't like it. 0:55:46.440 --> 0:55:48.360 That's fair, you know what I'm saying. And that's what 0:55:48.520 --> 0:55:50.480 was tough. It's just like you got so many people here. 0:55:50.520 --> 0:55:54.400 It's like even when JR. Has these moments, that's one 0:55:54.400 --> 0:55:56.719 of the best heat checked players ever. Yeah, but it's 0:55:56.760 --> 0:55:58.640 like you got the moments. You gotta have the moments 0:55:58.680 --> 0:56:00.680 where it's like, hey, bro, I guess I played with 0:56:00.800 --> 0:56:02.719 mellow I play you know what I'm saying, Like I 0:56:02.880 --> 0:56:05.160 get it. Also when he like the young guy that 0:56:05.600 --> 0:56:07.680 shoots the wild shots and y'all want to talk about 0:56:07.719 --> 0:56:10.560 my shot selection and shit, but he like, at some 0:56:10.719 --> 0:56:13.799 point it's end of the game. That's a ten year vet. 0:56:14.200 --> 0:56:16.000 Throw that bitch in there and let him play with 0:56:16.040 --> 0:56:18.440 his back to the basket. Like at some point we 0:56:18.520 --> 0:56:20.759 got to activate him to see if he turns into 0:56:21.560 --> 0:56:23.680 what he's supposed to. But that's the issue, Like they 0:56:23.719 --> 0:56:25.480 don't do that. They'll just leave you in that role 0:56:25.560 --> 0:56:27.440 and you got to play it for twenty years, you 0:56:27.480 --> 0:56:31.160 know what I'm saying. Like that's where players become unhappy, 0:56:31.200 --> 0:56:33.399 where they're like, I'm sitting here, like when you watch 0:56:33.440 --> 0:56:36.120 your favorite players, you'd like I watched the development of them. 0:56:36.280 --> 0:56:39.000 Like you watch a guy come into the league and 0:56:39.040 --> 0:56:40.680 then he can't do this or he can't do that, 0:56:40.800 --> 0:56:43.000 and they put this, put this, put this, and then 0:56:43.000 --> 0:56:45.160 it's like now year five, they like, all right, let's 0:56:45.160 --> 0:56:46.799 see what he is. You know what I'm saying, let's 0:56:46.840 --> 0:56:49.279 really go for this title. And it's like you look 0:56:49.360 --> 0:56:51.000 at it now, and it's like, can he do it 0:56:51.120 --> 0:56:52.839 right now? What can you do for us right now? 0:56:53.000 --> 0:56:55.479 If they don't have it, trade him some real shit 0:56:57.160 --> 0:56:59.320 talk about you know what's crazy is I remember the 0:56:59.320 --> 0:57:01.880 first time I saw you rapping, I knew you were 0:57:01.960 --> 0:57:04.720 like making music, but I saw that Cipher was los 0:57:04.800 --> 0:57:06.920 and Travis Thompson, and I forget who else was a 0:57:06.920 --> 0:57:09.960 part of that cipher? Oh? Cash, Yeah, it was a 0:57:10.600 --> 0:57:21.400 it was a BT. And what's my boy? Who else is? 0:57:22.560 --> 0:57:24.800 Who is it? You already said, lo, it was King Los, 0:57:24.840 --> 0:57:27.560 it was Travis Thompson, it was you, it was you, 0:57:27.640 --> 0:57:34.000 say Cash all, I'm forgetting somebody I'll come back to. 0:57:34.200 --> 0:57:36.680 But it was I remember seeing it and being like, 0:57:37.600 --> 0:57:42.760 oh shit, you always got mistake for designer, but you 0:57:42.840 --> 0:57:48.160 were a better rapper than designer. But nah, but like 0:57:48.240 --> 0:57:50.680 you actually, like obviously, this is not something that you 0:57:50.840 --> 0:57:52.600 just picked up, you know, because you were bored, Like, 0:57:52.800 --> 0:57:54.560 this is something you have been doing for a long time. 0:57:55.200 --> 0:57:57.160 Kind of take us back, how long have you been 0:57:57.200 --> 0:57:58.960 making music or at least playing with the thought of 0:57:59.040 --> 0:58:04.520 like rapping or writing rhymes? Are just developing that writing rhymes? 0:58:04.640 --> 0:58:10.200 Probably since like sixth grade, making music and developing what 0:58:10.400 --> 0:58:15.800 that was? That was it till my freshman year of 0:58:15.840 --> 0:58:18.840 high school that I started recording my homie And I 0:58:18.960 --> 0:58:21.160 wasn't even like going to a studio. My homie had 0:58:21.240 --> 0:58:26.200 the Yeah, he had the new Mac, the new Mac computer. 0:58:26.600 --> 0:58:29.680 And with that new Mac computer, they had that built 0:58:29.720 --> 0:58:35.920 in mic ah. Yeah, how the garage, throw the headphones 0:58:36.000 --> 0:58:41.760 in and then uh he would put the little blanket 0:58:41.880 --> 0:58:45.520 up to cancel the noise. And I mean, this is 0:58:45.640 --> 0:58:50.240 just still sound all the way great, but uh, we 0:58:50.320 --> 0:58:59.320 were selling mixtapes like in high school, selling mixtapes well, 0:58:59.440 --> 0:59:02.240 along with other things. But I would package everything together 0:59:02.320 --> 0:59:06.120 and get it out to you and it was, yeah, 0:59:06.200 --> 0:59:08.760 it was. It was a vibe, man. But that's that's 0:59:08.800 --> 0:59:12.440 when I eighth of weed and a mixtape. But it's like, 0:59:12.520 --> 0:59:14.440 I know you're gonna listen to it now, but it's 0:59:14.520 --> 0:59:17.120 like I was doing mixed CDs, so I was bootlegging 0:59:17.160 --> 0:59:18.840 everybody else. Ship Bro me too. That's how I got 0:59:18.880 --> 0:59:21.720 my name. But le keV. Literally I was just burning 0:59:21.800 --> 0:59:24.960 CDs and I had taken Yeah, I had the two 0:59:25.040 --> 0:59:31.080 cdss and everything, the Southern Smokes, everything, all the radios. 0:59:31.480 --> 0:59:36.080 I had a folder with the each mixtape cup. I 0:59:36.200 --> 0:59:40.680 just took a little online printed out and then put 0:59:40.760 --> 0:59:43.120 all them ships in like this binder and ship I 0:59:43.160 --> 0:59:44.920 would go. I would go to and I have like 0:59:45.080 --> 0:59:47.680 eight versions of the CD stacked on top of each other, 0:59:47.800 --> 0:59:49.760 right behind that album. And I was taking I literally 0:59:49.920 --> 0:59:52.880 wasn't even like you wouldn't even get the CDK. Sometimes 0:59:52.960 --> 0:59:55.760 you just get the CD a piece of paper. I 0:59:55.880 --> 0:59:59.080 used to go to the office man with all this 0:59:59.200 --> 1:00:01.480 all like put that in right now. You ain't got 1:00:01.480 --> 1:00:05.280 no case, put it right now. That's so crazy. I 1:00:05.360 --> 1:00:07.080 used to. I used to like go on the message 1:00:07.120 --> 1:00:09.680 boards and download all the mixtapes and ship and albums 1:00:11.640 --> 1:00:16.480 and then uh, I'd hit office max and by the 1:00:16.520 --> 1:00:18.600 slim jewel cases. I had a little boot like I 1:00:18.680 --> 1:00:20.480 used to go shoplift the ink. Did you get the 1:00:20.520 --> 1:00:24.960 color the color coordinated cases? Yeah, but like you know, 1:00:25.120 --> 1:00:27.280 I had I had like like I used to print 1:00:27.280 --> 1:00:29.920 all the all the covers off. Yeah, my little cheap 1:00:29.960 --> 1:00:32.120 ass printer, and I would go steal the ink because 1:00:32.280 --> 1:00:35.640 the ink was fun expensive, so I would I'd steal 1:00:35.680 --> 1:00:38.320 the ink cartridges out of the demo printers at the store, 1:00:39.320 --> 1:00:42.480 and then and then I printed print print the covers 1:00:42.520 --> 1:00:44.000 and then I'd be a to swap meet every weekend 1:00:44.040 --> 1:00:49.360 slanging mixtapes, man and DVDs to man, you remember what 1:00:49.480 --> 1:00:52.840 the best seller was? What's the best seller? Like? Do 1:00:52.880 --> 1:00:56.040 you remember which artists which drop out? College? Dropout? Wow, 1:00:56.440 --> 1:00:59.400 I've never sold so many of one project for me, 1:00:59.480 --> 1:01:02.160 it was Uh. I used to I probably I've sold 1:01:02.280 --> 1:01:06.280 hundreds of Game the documentary album. The documentary did well too. 1:01:06.400 --> 1:01:09.560 The documentary was moving boy. But I was. I was 1:01:09.640 --> 1:01:12.440 big on mixed CDs. I always had at least like 1:01:12.880 --> 1:01:16.760 twenty five requests why I should do that too, or 1:01:16.800 --> 1:01:19.280 somebody would would give you a list and I'd be like, cool, 1:01:19.320 --> 1:01:21.080 twenty bucks, I'm gonna make the CD for you. Exactly 1:01:21.160 --> 1:01:23.280 see you was charging way more. I should have charged 1:01:23.320 --> 1:01:26.600 that much. My kids. I would charge five bucks per 1:01:26.760 --> 1:01:29.320 mixtape at the SI meet five bucks. But if you 1:01:29.360 --> 1:01:32.240 wanted a custom mix, it was a dub. So if like, 1:01:32.320 --> 1:01:34.720 let's say, say I should have did that my custom 1:01:34.960 --> 1:01:37.400 my custom mix was like it was like tim but 1:01:37.800 --> 1:01:39.480 I'd be like, yo, you could get this because I 1:01:39.560 --> 1:01:41.920 was really running them. I was really running them. You 1:01:41.960 --> 1:01:45.080 could get this new DJ Drama mixtape or Whoever's mixtape. 1:01:46.320 --> 1:01:47.880 But if you want me to put some shit together 1:01:47.960 --> 1:01:50.760 for you, twenty dollars. Yeah. But the twenty was really 1:01:50.840 --> 1:01:53.000 for the you know what I'm saying, for your time party, 1:01:53.400 --> 1:01:56.040 your party favor like it was it, oh I see, 1:01:56.040 --> 1:01:58.560 I see I. The twenty was for the eighths, That's 1:01:58.640 --> 1:02:01.560 what I was all that and then it was like, 1:02:03.360 --> 1:02:06.720 now it's twenty five balls, thirty balls coming each time 1:02:06.800 --> 1:02:08.919 we're dealing with a customer. You know what I'm saying, 1:02:08.960 --> 1:02:11.400 We killed two birds one stone. But I'm getting my 1:02:11.480 --> 1:02:13.560 project out there. That's how I felt about it, Like 1:02:14.160 --> 1:02:17.520 I'm getting my music out there. But what was crazy 1:02:17.680 --> 1:02:20.760 was people really was rocking with it, and at this time, 1:02:20.800 --> 1:02:24.720 you're obviously a star athlete at score them assuming, which 1:02:24.800 --> 1:02:27.680 is why they took it away from me. They made 1:02:27.720 --> 1:02:31.640 me stop because I wasn't back then. I didn't know 1:02:33.000 --> 1:02:35.760 nobody made it out where I was from. Just I'm 1:02:35.800 --> 1:02:39.120 not where are you from? So I went to well 1:02:39.160 --> 1:02:41.160 that's my school, Oh, par Reforce is my high school. 1:02:41.600 --> 1:02:45.240 But I'm from o Park, which is we bought a kid. 1:02:45.360 --> 1:02:49.040 So if you got Chicago, we the town inside the city. 1:02:49.720 --> 1:02:53.720 That literally says, if you cross this street, you're not 1:02:53.920 --> 1:02:58.000 out of Chicago, but it's Chicago, like a motherfucker. You 1:02:58.040 --> 1:02:59.840 see what I'm saying. But that's the cool thing about 1:02:59.880 --> 1:03:02.280 it because I get like people that be like thinking, 1:03:02.320 --> 1:03:04.640 I'm going to be like this suburb kid, like I 1:03:04.720 --> 1:03:07.880 look great on paper, you know, I a old paper. 1:03:07.920 --> 1:03:10.440 I'm a great city. I'm an outstairs the guy, and 1:03:12.040 --> 1:03:15.920 I think that it's cool to sell when you talk 1:03:16.000 --> 1:03:21.880 about the dynamic of selling these CDs and getting shit 1:03:22.040 --> 1:03:24.880 like that off, because it's like I got protected in 1:03:24.960 --> 1:03:28.080 the sense that I got like the suburb kids, the 1:03:28.240 --> 1:03:31.960 city kids, I got everybody in one because I was 1:03:32.040 --> 1:03:34.640 a border kid, so nobody really knew where I lived at. 1:03:35.240 --> 1:03:37.600 People were trying to figure it out, like he all 1:03:37.640 --> 1:03:41.080 the way downhill, he go to Old Parl, his grandma 1:03:41.240 --> 1:03:43.600 stay right here, like it was like that. But it 1:03:43.720 --> 1:03:47.880 was like my clientele was just going crazy. And then 1:03:48.440 --> 1:03:51.080 I'm rapping and I'm freestyle and I'm doing all this 1:03:51.240 --> 1:03:53.840 and I started realizing, like people are really giving me 1:03:53.920 --> 1:03:57.560 a chance to do this, but I'm super flagrant and 1:03:57.720 --> 1:04:01.000 my raps you were seeing some more ship, Oh yeah, 1:04:01.120 --> 1:04:04.000 because I'm but I'm talking about stuff you're doing. Yeah, 1:04:04.760 --> 1:04:07.000 I'm talking it like you're talking about the ship you're 1:04:07.000 --> 1:04:09.000 doing in the streets. I'm like, bro, I can't you 1:04:09.080 --> 1:04:11.440 know what I mean? And they was like my coaching 1:04:11.440 --> 1:04:14.560 and heard it, and they like, you want like just 1:04:14.680 --> 1:04:17.200 they might use this against you if you're getting recruited 1:04:17.960 --> 1:04:21.040 fair enough immediately, yeah, like you have to stop. So 1:04:21.160 --> 1:04:25.000 I basically was like telling everybody like, yo, just please 1:04:25.200 --> 1:04:28.280 like don't don't upload this ship. Yeah, like just try 1:04:28.360 --> 1:04:30.120 and keep it as low as part, like we just 1:04:30.240 --> 1:04:35.560 like doing like just what is that pr damage ship? 1:04:35.720 --> 1:04:38.320 Like that's what we try to do that it was 1:04:39.760 --> 1:04:42.080 we try to do the we try to do the 1:04:42.200 --> 1:04:44.320 damage control. But I was just saying like, if you 1:04:44.400 --> 1:04:46.480 go back and listen to it, you'll be like, damn, 1:04:46.720 --> 1:04:49.000 like he really thought he wasn't going to the NBA 1:04:49.320 --> 1:04:50.680 on the logan, the way he was talking on these 1:04:50.760 --> 1:04:52.959 rats you're talking, Yeah, it's like the way you talking, 1:04:53.200 --> 1:04:55.680 it don't sound like dude ever played basketball in his 1:04:55.760 --> 1:04:58.360 life or give a fuck played basketball. And it was 1:04:58.480 --> 1:05:02.200 like after that, I had to sort of start tailoring shit. 1:05:02.240 --> 1:05:05.360 That's why if you go really listen to my earlier 1:05:06.000 --> 1:05:08.040 stuff that I released when I played for the Knicks, 1:05:08.120 --> 1:05:10.080 like I listen to it now and I like cringe 1:05:10.160 --> 1:05:12.240 and get mad because I'm like, bro, none of these 1:05:12.360 --> 1:05:16.840 songs was like this, this is a bunch of take 1:05:16.920 --> 1:05:20.360 this out, take that out. I can't say this, can't 1:05:20.400 --> 1:05:25.160 say that essentially, like like you'd have to almost record 1:05:25.200 --> 1:05:27.160 a song and then comb through it afterwards and be like, 1:05:27.240 --> 1:05:29.240 you know what I played for the Knicks. I can't 1:05:29.240 --> 1:05:32.040 say this and then have a record that I'm like, man, 1:05:32.160 --> 1:05:35.320 this shit just just the one. And then I'm like, 1:05:35.400 --> 1:05:37.560 I can't do nothing with that one though, because you 1:05:37.640 --> 1:05:40.320 can't say this, And then it's like I can't release 1:05:40.360 --> 1:05:42.720 it because I would have had to release it during 1:05:42.800 --> 1:05:46.280 this time. But we play tomorrow and now everybody's gonna 1:05:46.280 --> 1:05:49.919 think I'm not Focused's just so much shit drop music 1:05:50.000 --> 1:05:52.960 during the season. People going to look at you crazy. Yeah, exactly. 1:05:52.960 --> 1:05:55.400 And then it was like, because I was able to 1:05:55.480 --> 1:05:58.600 stay on beat and everybody else that is like playing defense. 1:05:58.800 --> 1:06:02.000 Hey listen, some of the worst rappers ever came out 1:06:02.000 --> 1:06:05.760 of them. It's because Test was horrible. God bless him. 1:06:06.920 --> 1:06:08.800 I went to a Ron Art Test music video shoot 1:06:08.880 --> 1:06:10.400 with Mike Jones and like when I was like in 1:06:10.480 --> 1:06:12.560 high school and it was it was rough True Warrior. 1:06:13.040 --> 1:06:15.000 I remember his label, True Warrior. I was at the 1:06:15.040 --> 1:06:20.280 video shoot Shout Shout out the True Warrio record. You 1:06:20.360 --> 1:06:23.560 remember that song. Ron Ard Test and Mike Jones. Oh 1:06:23.720 --> 1:06:25.880 my god, it was bad. But I was at the 1:06:25.960 --> 1:06:28.720 video shoot. It was in Phoenix. I was a kid 1:06:28.760 --> 1:06:30.600 in high school. They're like, Ron Art Test is shooting 1:06:30.600 --> 1:06:32.800 the video on the South Side. Mike Jones were like, 1:06:32.880 --> 1:06:36.160 we in there? What I swear to god, Bro, why 1:06:36.280 --> 1:06:39.680 was he in Arizona? Dude, I have no fucking mic No, 1:06:39.800 --> 1:06:43.520 he's from Texas. That's and this is peak Mike Jones. 1:06:44.360 --> 1:06:48.800 This is like switch a house. Yes, I'm like, we're going. 1:06:49.000 --> 1:06:50.760 It was at this record store called in the Groove 1:06:50.840 --> 1:06:53.880 Records and we were hanging out. Mike Jones got he 1:06:54.000 --> 1:06:57.320 shot the video inside of the the inside of the store, 1:06:57.360 --> 1:06:59.360 there was a barber chair and he's like getting this 1:06:59.600 --> 1:07:01.880 like fade while he's doing the video and it's around 1:07:01.880 --> 1:07:03.360 our test. So I just looked it up on YouTube 1:07:03.360 --> 1:07:07.440 recently to see if it was still there. It's still there. Terrible. Oh, 1:07:07.480 --> 1:07:09.840 it's so that's so bad. See that's how I feel. 1:07:09.920 --> 1:07:11.240 Like when I go back and I listen to it, 1:07:11.280 --> 1:07:14.480 I'm like, Bro, I could tell I'm like reading raps, 1:07:14.920 --> 1:07:17.720 not feeling I'm not. You know. That's the thing about 1:07:17.800 --> 1:07:20.560 music is my homies ain't in the studio. Yeah right now, 1:07:20.720 --> 1:07:23.120 Like I could tell what these songs are, and it's 1:07:23.160 --> 1:07:26.080 like I get it. Like even when like I used 1:07:26.120 --> 1:07:28.080 to be like getting mad when Mons used to be 1:07:28.200 --> 1:07:31.120 doing the whole they like man out of the NBA rappers, 1:07:31.200 --> 1:07:33.200 you know, I just feel like, you know, it's Dame 1:07:33.280 --> 1:07:35.440 and A doing all this other shit. And I used 1:07:35.480 --> 1:07:37.120 to just be like I used to look keep me 1:07:37.160 --> 1:07:40.479 getting annoyed, like because I'm like, damn, bro, I should 1:07:40.520 --> 1:07:43.680 have just saved all my music until now. Yeah. Even 1:07:43.720 --> 1:07:46.200 when I see stuff like when people bring up the 1:07:46.320 --> 1:07:48.720 best NBA rappers, they'll like play a song that I 1:07:48.840 --> 1:07:51.280 did when I was like it was like twenty ten, 1:07:51.760 --> 1:07:55.040 twenty eleven type shit, and they'll play that song and 1:07:55.200 --> 1:07:57.040 like who's the best NBA rapper? And I'll be like, bro, 1:07:57.200 --> 1:08:00.360 that's A that's old. Yeah, Like I'd be like, you 1:08:00.400 --> 1:08:02.640 know what I mean? Is this too? Is this to 1:08:02.720 --> 1:08:04.600 piss me off? I'm like, y'all trying to piss me off? 1:08:04.680 --> 1:08:07.680 Y'all steady starting threads. And I still think it. I 1:08:07.760 --> 1:08:09.959 still I still think I'm gonna play Dame new ship. 1:08:10.120 --> 1:08:15.000 I still think I still think of Shack Shaq Sack 1:08:15.040 --> 1:08:16.519 We're platinum and he had NAS and jay Z on 1:08:16.600 --> 1:08:19.960 a song together. Shaq was playing what's the song? I 1:08:20.040 --> 1:08:22.840 don't know? But you But this is what I mean 1:08:22.920 --> 1:08:25.400 by about the rapping ship, Like I feel like we 1:08:25.600 --> 1:08:29.559 all took an l until somebody's singing our lyrics. That's real. 1:08:29.880 --> 1:08:33.560 Like you can't stop the ring by shack Man, you 1:08:33.680 --> 1:08:37.000 still don't know it, you can't stop doing Come on 1:08:37.120 --> 1:08:39.120 that ship was I mean that wasn't his part. It 1:08:39.240 --> 1:08:42.280 was a great hook though. No, that's fair. I think 1:08:42.400 --> 1:08:45.839 Damien has I think you tell me about a sample 1:08:45.880 --> 1:08:48.560 the hook? Do you think he starts sinking? Do you 1:08:48.640 --> 1:08:52.040 think his part? Do you think Dame has at least 1:08:52.120 --> 1:08:55.920 done the best job of like juggling both? No, I 1:08:56.040 --> 1:09:00.439 think Dame is a superstar athlete with the money to 1:09:00.520 --> 1:09:03.439 put behind it. I don't think that. I think the 1:09:03.640 --> 1:09:06.960 NBA is way more lenient with Dame doing stuff like 1:09:07.080 --> 1:09:09.720 letting him perform for All Star, doing all this, which 1:09:09.760 --> 1:09:12.200 I'm happy for him. I'm not hating. I'm just saying 1:09:12.760 --> 1:09:15.400 if I was a rock star, like if I if 1:09:15.439 --> 1:09:19.360 I never played under Mellow and stat and when I 1:09:19.439 --> 1:09:21.720 went to New York it was just my ship and 1:09:21.960 --> 1:09:23.920 we just was I was the rookie that get to 1:09:23.920 --> 1:09:25.880 shoot it thirty times and do whatever the fuck I 1:09:25.960 --> 1:09:28.560 want my music? Would it it went different because it 1:09:28.640 --> 1:09:31.400 was like NBA can't say nothing. You might have been 1:09:31.479 --> 1:09:34.960 Kevin knock slow key. No, I'm just talking. That's the thing. 1:09:35.080 --> 1:09:39.160 I was guaranteed no shirit like I had New York cracking. 1:09:39.960 --> 1:09:43.559 It's like if we if we're gonna, if we're gonna, uh, 1:09:44.200 --> 1:09:46.240 let him shoot thirty shots a game to where it's 1:09:46.320 --> 1:09:50.519 like pressure or not. I'm shooting until I get in 1:09:50.560 --> 1:09:52.880 the mix. Like like in high school, it's like, bro, 1:09:53.000 --> 1:09:55.760 whether I'm having a good stint a bad stint. I 1:09:56.200 --> 1:09:58.360 got the ball so much I could sort of get 1:09:58.400 --> 1:10:00.120 in rhythm, you can get into groove, you know what 1:10:00.120 --> 1:10:02.080 I mean. It was like if I if I had that, 1:10:03.160 --> 1:10:05.439 then it's like they would have never hit me with 1:10:05.520 --> 1:10:07.920 the Oh he's not focused. Then it's like if I 1:10:08.000 --> 1:10:10.120 say a curse word or two, who cares? Moneg, I'm 1:10:10.120 --> 1:10:13.680 signed for a hundred million. Like also, you're a human being, 1:10:13.760 --> 1:10:17.519 people cuss. That's what I'm up in, which I started 1:10:17.560 --> 1:10:20.360 to realize once I'm like twenty seven, I'm like, bro, 1:10:20.520 --> 1:10:23.439 fuck y'all, I got a daughter, Like yeah, just because 1:10:23.439 --> 1:10:27.280 I graduated from listening to you, motherfucker. That's crazy. That's 1:10:27.320 --> 1:10:29.040 why I got to that point where I'm just like, Bro, 1:10:29.160 --> 1:10:31.639 you think you like a better parent because you lie 1:10:31.720 --> 1:10:33.800 to your kid all day, Like they don't close the 1:10:33.880 --> 1:10:37.080 door until talk about the real you. Like, kids know 1:10:37.240 --> 1:10:39.439 exactly what you're doing, Bro, it's just whenever you're gonna 1:10:39.479 --> 1:10:42.400 let them in on it. So it was like with me, 1:10:42.600 --> 1:10:44.120 I'm like, once I got to that point where I 1:10:44.160 --> 1:10:46.479 got daughters, it was just like I'm gonna say what 1:10:46.560 --> 1:10:48.200 I want and sort of do what I want. That 1:10:48.360 --> 1:10:51.280 control is kind of gone. But I feel like it's 1:10:51.760 --> 1:10:55.000 helping my music, Like it helped people to connect with 1:10:55.120 --> 1:10:57.760 me if they know, like Dude a lot like me, 1:10:58.040 --> 1:11:00.479 Like I thought he was like this superhero that never 1:11:00.560 --> 1:11:04.040 makes a mistake and ship, but it's like, honestly, bro, 1:11:04.160 --> 1:11:06.759 who's rooting for him? Nobody wants to root for Dude 1:11:07.960 --> 1:11:11.240 like goodie too shoe ass, Like I'm not rooting for him. 1:11:11.400 --> 1:11:15.000 I don't like him. Do you feel like now your 1:11:15.120 --> 1:11:19.240 music is in a place to be, you know, kind 1:11:19.280 --> 1:11:21.800 of like the forefront of your focus as far as 1:11:21.920 --> 1:11:25.080 like you know, obviously yeah you got you got pasted. 1:11:25.200 --> 1:11:29.120 Uh yeah, I think uh at this point, it's got 1:11:29.240 --> 1:11:32.880 to be just the only thing that it's literally the 1:11:32.960 --> 1:11:35.400 only thing that can never be taken. Father time ain't 1:11:35.400 --> 1:11:38.400 gonna take this from me. It's gonna live on forever. Yeah, 1:11:38.560 --> 1:11:42.600 like this, father Time just can't take my voice, you 1:11:42.640 --> 1:11:44.880 know what I'm saying, Well, father Time can, I just 1:11:45.320 --> 1:11:47.320 I ain't gonna hit that for a longer time. It's 1:11:47.360 --> 1:11:50.520 gonna be a while before that happened, exactly. Basketball athletically, 1:11:51.000 --> 1:11:53.760 I can still Yeah, I could still go out there 1:11:53.760 --> 1:11:55.880 and do everything I need to do and play the game. 1:11:55.960 --> 1:11:58.800 But it's like at some point that was gonna stop. 1:11:59.120 --> 1:12:01.080 So it's like I knew at some point I was 1:12:01.160 --> 1:12:04.519 gonna tap more into the art side of who I am. 1:12:04.880 --> 1:12:06.519 You know what I'm saying. It was just a matter 1:12:06.560 --> 1:12:09.680 of everything lining up. And I feel like right now, 1:12:10.400 --> 1:12:14.559 entertainment wise, music, it just it's people want to hear 1:12:14.600 --> 1:12:16.760 me tell my story. That's that's my favorite way to 1:12:16.840 --> 1:12:21.760 do it. What are the MC's artists that are kind of, 1:12:21.880 --> 1:12:24.439 you know, currently doing their thing right now that you're 1:12:24.600 --> 1:12:27.439 that you're actually like a fan of so much dope 1:12:27.600 --> 1:12:31.080 hip hop that's out right now. I'm a my newest, 1:12:35.600 --> 1:12:39.560 my newest I'll say flowers, and now my Flowers is 1:12:39.720 --> 1:12:43.920 joining Lucas Joiners Fire. Best videos, it's the videos in decades, 1:12:44.000 --> 1:12:47.240 it's the video he he reminds me of you know, 1:12:47.280 --> 1:12:48.920 when we grew up, we were watching Bust of Rhymes 1:12:48.920 --> 1:12:53.120 and Missy Elliott and and it's like we knows, remember 1:12:53.600 --> 1:12:56.559 know what we're going for them for videos are They're 1:12:56.600 --> 1:12:58.880 so well thought out, They're just amazing. Got a great 1:12:58.920 --> 1:13:00.880 team and he couldrap his ass, for sure, you got 1:13:00.920 --> 1:13:04.200 a great team. But I love that he doesn't hang 1:13:04.320 --> 1:13:07.360 his hat on if he has a club hit, It's like, 1:13:07.600 --> 1:13:09.840 I'm going to give you content. I'm gonna give you 1:13:10.240 --> 1:13:13.960 build this organic fan base. Conceptually it is dominant, and 1:13:14.120 --> 1:13:20.760 I I fuck with that. Him. Dirk is just he's 1:13:20.840 --> 1:13:25.679 gotten to a point that I truly feel like everything 1:13:25.760 --> 1:13:27.720 he says is just Chicago. Like if I want to 1:13:27.760 --> 1:13:30.000 go home, I'm putting on dirt. You know what I'm saying, 1:13:30.000 --> 1:13:33.439 I'm putting on her. It's just they've gotten to the 1:13:33.520 --> 1:13:35.640 point where I no longer feel like they rap. They 1:13:35.800 --> 1:13:39.599 just sort of talking talking for us. Like I don't 1:13:39.640 --> 1:13:41.880 know how to explain it. Just like everything they say 1:13:41.920 --> 1:13:44.120 it sounds like they in a chicken spot with me. 1:13:44.479 --> 1:13:47.000 It don't sound like they rap it and trying to 1:13:47.040 --> 1:13:49.200 make a hit song. It's like, gee, whatever they say 1:13:49.320 --> 1:13:54.880 is law right now? Outside of them. J I D 1:13:55.400 --> 1:13:59.040 Jed's incredible, big ji D fan, that's my boy too, 1:13:59.640 --> 1:14:01.360 shout the dream. But now j I D is a 1:14:02.560 --> 1:14:05.200 quite as kept, like technically one of the illness. Like 1:14:06.200 --> 1:14:08.439 it's just it's a lot to digest. Oh, it's a lot, man, 1:14:08.520 --> 1:14:12.320 He's technically just a Jedi. I'll never forget here and 1:14:12.320 --> 1:14:14.200 it never been and she had never had, she never knew, 1:14:14.240 --> 1:14:17.320 she had, never out, never do, never gave two shits 1:14:17.880 --> 1:14:21.639 like his Uh yeah, his cadence is unbelievable. And then 1:14:21.680 --> 1:14:24.800 besides that is I'm a little baby guy. Yeah, a 1:14:24.840 --> 1:14:28.200 little baby's protecting him at all costs, a little baby. 1:14:28.280 --> 1:14:32.320 And Dirk's like the album cold well No, just the 1:14:32.360 --> 1:14:34.600 way that each of them have evolved in front of 1:14:34.680 --> 1:14:37.320 our eyes as artists and just as like you know, 1:14:37.360 --> 1:14:40.639 I think of Dirk like Dirk really and his stride 1:14:40.720 --> 1:14:42.600 until like two three years ago, but he's been in 1:14:42.680 --> 1:14:44.200 the game for so long as far as like people 1:14:44.280 --> 1:14:45.680 like looking at him as like one of them. One. 1:14:45.760 --> 1:14:50.479 I think it went it went from Dirk. Uh. At 1:14:50.560 --> 1:14:54.360 some point Dirk kind of figured it out. Yeah, I 1:14:54.439 --> 1:14:57.720 want to say it was signed to the streets. There 1:14:57.800 --> 1:14:59.400 was a certain point where you just feel like, oh, 1:14:59.479 --> 1:15:01.479 Dirk figured this shut out because he had always been, 1:15:01.600 --> 1:15:05.840 you know, doing this thing. It was like doing his thing, 1:15:06.360 --> 1:15:09.479 and he had the streets and then he like started 1:15:09.680 --> 1:15:14.680 trying to like figure out the mass. And at some 1:15:14.960 --> 1:15:18.680 point it was like he got on a record and 1:15:18.800 --> 1:15:21.960 he started talking like he was older than everybody, and 1:15:22.080 --> 1:15:25.760 I was like, now you in yeah, before he was 1:15:25.800 --> 1:15:27.920 like it was like, real, young boy, let me show 1:15:27.920 --> 1:15:30.160 you my world to me, That's how I took it. 1:15:30.439 --> 1:15:34.000 And then at some point on sign to the Streets, 1:15:34.040 --> 1:15:37.200 it was like he graduated himself, like no, no, no, 1:15:37.320 --> 1:15:39.679 I graduated and now I'm trying to like tell me y'all. 1:15:40.640 --> 1:15:42.280 I think, And then I think with Little Baby, I 1:15:42.280 --> 1:15:45.760 think Little Baby might be probably the most improved MC 1:15:45.960 --> 1:15:47.760 I've seen in a long time, because if we think 1:15:47.800 --> 1:15:50.040 about like early Little Baby, we would think like Little 1:15:50.040 --> 1:15:52.960 Baby would openly talk about how Gunna would like give 1:15:53.000 --> 1:15:55.280 him tips on how to rap, and like he hasn't 1:15:55.280 --> 1:15:57.840 been rapping that long, you know, And if you just 1:15:57.920 --> 1:16:00.519 think of like the last two years, he's like a superior. 1:16:00.640 --> 1:16:04.280 He's like one of the top notch. Like MC's not 1:16:04.479 --> 1:16:06.400 just guys who make records that you could hear in 1:16:06.479 --> 1:16:08.559 the club or on the radio, like this motherfucker can 1:16:08.640 --> 1:16:13.240 rap circles around nine the population. I think it's uh 1:16:15.680 --> 1:16:19.280 one is a little bit of this little baby's energy, 1:16:19.640 --> 1:16:27.240 like little babies like, uh, well, I can't think of it. 1:16:27.320 --> 1:16:31.800 I don't watch you watch like cartoons and shit. I 1:16:31.840 --> 1:16:34.040 mean I watched a cartoon that is somebody that like 1:16:35.080 --> 1:16:38.320 like takes in energy and shit and then they have 1:16:38.479 --> 1:16:40.599 like a big power. I was finna say Dragon ball 1:16:40.680 --> 1:16:44.320 Z Mega Man, Mega Man. That's that's a video game, 1:16:45.640 --> 1:16:48.200 video game. But it's like little Baby reminds me of that, 1:16:48.479 --> 1:16:50.400 and I feel like he like it too, like everyone's 1:16:50.439 --> 1:16:52.280 powers that he was around. And then just it's type 1:16:52.360 --> 1:16:54.920 it's not even that, it's the energy of what he's 1:16:55.000 --> 1:16:58.640 dealing with. So it's like with little Baby, you know 1:16:58.720 --> 1:17:00.800 how people like get to this point where it's like 1:17:00.920 --> 1:17:04.960 you hot, you just drop these two songs like let's chill, 1:17:05.080 --> 1:17:08.040 let's work these records and do this right. And it's 1:17:08.120 --> 1:17:10.800 like little Baby has this gift that is just like no, 1:17:11.400 --> 1:17:13.560 let's go again, like no, here's another project, here's a 1:17:14.400 --> 1:17:16.840 even on his even on his his his his uh, 1:17:17.680 --> 1:17:20.599 his features, it's like it sounds like like when Calid 1:17:20.720 --> 1:17:24.560 like keep going like I'm like, it's the energy, Like 1:17:24.640 --> 1:17:28.080 how he just gonna keep that Kalid record. I'd be 1:17:28.200 --> 1:17:29.760 like this the whole time in the car. My wife 1:17:29.840 --> 1:17:31.960 be like, bro, oh my god, y'all gonna play this 1:17:32.040 --> 1:17:34.960 little baby. This boyfriend lose his man like that song 1:17:35.080 --> 1:17:39.360 that's so crazy. But it's like he talking low like 1:17:39.520 --> 1:17:42.840 anybody that's gonna talk it and say like it's just 1:17:43.000 --> 1:17:46.280 like I don't know, like my shit is that that 1:17:46.479 --> 1:17:49.160 I ain't got a hundred million. I can't chill you, 1:17:49.520 --> 1:17:52.840 but don't get its screw I get rid. He just 1:17:52.920 --> 1:17:55.640 put he just put forty two. Dug fell asleep in 1:17:55.720 --> 1:17:57.240 the studio and he feels him. He's like, how do 1:17:57.280 --> 1:18:00.519 you fall asleep? You don't have one hundred million. But 1:18:00.600 --> 1:18:03.200 it's like stuff like that, it's just the work ethic, 1:18:03.360 --> 1:18:10.639 the the forefront of what he's saying. Watching him force 1:18:10.840 --> 1:18:15.680 capital onto his people. Yeah, like he's forcing them to 1:18:15.840 --> 1:18:18.080 have to figure it out with money, Like i'mna, I'm 1:18:18.120 --> 1:18:21.599 gonna bring in so much money, so much money has 1:18:21.640 --> 1:18:23.760 to come around every time I show up, that y'all 1:18:23.800 --> 1:18:26.519 gotta make money, figure it out. And I love that energy, 1:18:26.680 --> 1:18:28.800 like anybody that could push that, Like I used to 1:18:28.880 --> 1:18:31.160 go to meet for that energy, you know what I'm saying. 1:18:31.320 --> 1:18:33.840 Like not to say meat fell off of some ship. 1:18:33.960 --> 1:18:37.760 It's just every energy is different around every couple of years. 1:18:37.760 --> 1:18:39.640 But I mean me's getting older, Well I gonna say 1:18:39.680 --> 1:18:42.840 that happens meat bossing up to Like like I said, 1:18:42.920 --> 1:18:46.880 they graduate themselves. It's been around for ten years now. 1:18:46.920 --> 1:18:48.840 I mean, you know, but that's what Meek was when 1:18:48.880 --> 1:18:51.760 I first stream Chasers dream Man. He's showing up with 1:18:51.840 --> 1:18:53.640 a hoodie, a hundre of niggas and they rapping, and 1:18:53.720 --> 1:18:56.200 the energy it's just like you know what I'm saying, 1:18:56.280 --> 1:18:58.040 Like I feel like that's what little Baby is, but 1:18:58.160 --> 1:19:01.840 little babies like the meat energy that Meek had with 1:19:01.920 --> 1:19:05.719 the hoodies. But it's like everybody got on chains, everybody 1:19:05.840 --> 1:19:10.200 got watches, everybody, and they all behind him like with 1:19:10.400 --> 1:19:13.320 this energy. That's just like I've never seen an energy 1:19:13.520 --> 1:19:16.599 like that in a studio, Like you know what I'm saying, 1:19:16.640 --> 1:19:18.840 Like I've been around a lot of artists like him, 1:19:19.080 --> 1:19:21.400 And another person that impressed me in the studio was 1:19:21.439 --> 1:19:25.360 young Thug. I've never seen two people work like that, Like, yeah, 1:19:25.360 --> 1:19:27.559 I think thugs are alien from all accounts. I've heard 1:19:27.760 --> 1:19:30.879 no bullshit. Yeah, I heard he's like just no bullshit, 1:19:31.160 --> 1:19:33.200 and I think I'm talking about I've had people say 1:19:33.240 --> 1:19:36.720 in the studio, nobody can hear what he's doing, like 1:19:36.800 --> 1:19:40.080 the engineer has headphones on. He's in the booth and 1:19:40.160 --> 1:19:42.000 you're just gonna hear it when he wants you to 1:19:42.080 --> 1:19:45.000 hear it. Yeah, but he's but he's in the other 1:19:45.080 --> 1:19:48.519 rooms in the fut also meticulous, like he's gonna go 1:19:48.600 --> 1:19:51.360 in there, he's gonna do his thing, y'all gonna record whatever. 1:19:51.880 --> 1:19:54.040 Then he gonna come out and he gonna grab the 1:19:54.120 --> 1:19:56.680 mouse and he gonna do some stuff himself. And we've 1:19:56.680 --> 1:20:03.400 seen the meme like it's, oh yeah, people think it's joke, greate, 1:20:04.320 --> 1:20:06.599 Like people be thinking it's like for food for fun. 1:20:06.760 --> 1:20:09.519 Like it's like he knows exactly what he's doing. He 1:20:09.640 --> 1:20:11.760 really in control, He really trying to do something right now. 1:20:12.360 --> 1:20:14.439 And it was crazy because it was like before that. 1:20:14.880 --> 1:20:16.519 A lot of times when I go, you know, he 1:20:16.600 --> 1:20:19.320 does the high pitch stuff with the auto tune. A 1:20:19.360 --> 1:20:21.320 lot of times I couldn't understand some of the stuff 1:20:21.360 --> 1:20:23.759 he said. And I look, he had a knock against 1:20:23.800 --> 1:20:26.160 Doug for that, but being in there and seeing it 1:20:27.400 --> 1:20:30.640 and then hearing Yeah, it's like he's like going for 1:20:30.760 --> 1:20:33.479 a certain pitch. This is not a this is not 1:20:33.640 --> 1:20:35.360 a he just went in there. I thought he just 1:20:35.400 --> 1:20:37.280 went in there high and it was just like yeah, 1:20:37.360 --> 1:20:39.320 it's just like he didn't really care that much. Stop 1:20:39.400 --> 1:20:41.880 behind it. No, Yeah, he's really like. No. If I 1:20:42.000 --> 1:20:44.840 get you to that frequency and I you know, I 1:20:45.000 --> 1:20:48.120 say it like that, you'll never forget what I said, 1:20:48.360 --> 1:20:51.759 because it's so unique. It's so left, it's so random 1:20:51.920 --> 1:20:55.200 that it sticks out. It's a sore thumb, and it 1:20:55.320 --> 1:20:58.120 doesn't seem beautiful all the time at first, but it's 1:20:58.200 --> 1:20:59.680 like over and over it might be the only thing 1:20:59.720 --> 1:21:01.960 you were remember from the song. Yeah, I think two 1:21:02.040 --> 1:21:06.360 people like anytime someone is so different and so unique. 1:21:06.840 --> 1:21:10.639 Man young Thug made dropping Jews. That's one of the coldest. 1:21:10.960 --> 1:21:12.680 What I'm saying is like thugs like the kind of 1:21:12.800 --> 1:21:15.000 artists who comes into the game and it's so unique 1:21:15.120 --> 1:21:18.160 that like people are supposed to be like what the 1:21:18.240 --> 1:21:20.439 fuck is this? For sure? I mean he just threw 1:21:20.479 --> 1:21:22.360 everybody off with the dresses, and I think that's it. 1:21:22.439 --> 1:21:24.439 I think that's any I mean even even think about 1:21:24.479 --> 1:21:26.320 Little Baby. Like when Little Baby first came out, people 1:21:26.320 --> 1:21:27.760 are like, what the fuck is this guy saying, like, 1:21:28.479 --> 1:21:30.479 you know what I mean, It's just like anything that's 1:21:30.520 --> 1:21:33.800 great is initially gonna come. You gotta get used to 1:21:33.920 --> 1:21:36.080 anything new, you know what I mean. Like if everyone 1:21:36.160 --> 1:21:38.280 was just feeding you the status call that everyone would 1:21:38.360 --> 1:21:40.479 still sound like fucking run DMC, you know what I mean. 1:21:41.280 --> 1:21:47.519 So so he said, shot, what music wise, what do 1:21:47.640 --> 1:21:50.519 you have on the on on the uh on the 1:21:50.560 --> 1:21:55.519 slate right now? We just dropped outside. So outside was 1:21:55.560 --> 1:21:58.880 one of them records that happened should have been came out, 1:21:59.120 --> 1:22:02.840 but I just started doing too much. I took on 1:22:02.920 --> 1:22:05.240 the Dancing with the Star Ship. Yeah, ye had film 1:22:05.320 --> 1:22:08.519 that show like every more timing, Yeah, I definitely will. 1:22:10.479 --> 1:22:14.559 But uh, yeah, I dropped outside. I got the video 1:22:14.680 --> 1:22:17.840 coming next. We shot the video in Chicago. It was nuts. Yeah, 1:22:18.160 --> 1:22:21.280 you know, we probably came out of Honeystrom, went out, 1:22:21.760 --> 1:22:23.600 fuck the city up a little bit. It was. It 1:22:23.720 --> 1:22:28.479 was a good time. But yeah, we're gonna drop that video. 1:22:29.320 --> 1:22:32.160 And uh, I guess going into the new year, I 1:22:32.280 --> 1:22:34.280 mean I gotta, you know, I gotta clear with Giants 1:22:34.280 --> 1:22:38.080 storm to make sure. But I believe. I believe we 1:22:38.280 --> 1:22:42.040 dropping just to kick the year off. So this car 1:22:42.120 --> 1:22:47.200 Ain't stolen. That's the album called My It's My My 1:22:47.320 --> 1:22:50.280 first album that I'm putting out. Everything else has been 1:22:50.400 --> 1:22:55.080 like EP yeah, little little stuff, but that's literally just 1:22:55.200 --> 1:22:59.120 to remind people that I still car aren't stolen. So 1:22:59.360 --> 1:23:01.840 I'm assuming that something that's happened to you before, being 1:23:02.400 --> 1:23:05.280 a millionaire who was African Americans, probably driving some of 1:23:05.320 --> 1:23:08.680 the nicest cars and yeah, yeah, that's like it's like 1:23:09.000 --> 1:23:11.320 it's like a dick hard moment though when you do it, 1:23:11.520 --> 1:23:14.680 like you're pulling me over and you want this car 1:23:14.760 --> 1:23:17.799 to be stolen so bad, but it's not. It's so clean. 1:23:18.680 --> 1:23:21.920 It's so clean. You want this firearm to be off, 1:23:22.120 --> 1:23:24.719 you want you just want so much to be going 1:23:24.760 --> 1:23:28.679 wrong right now, but nothing's wrong. It's so fair and square. 1:23:29.040 --> 1:23:31.080 I just like, I love that moment of looking at 1:23:31.120 --> 1:23:34.479 the cop like, what's up, Bro? Oh you mom? Yeah 1:23:34.680 --> 1:23:38.120 that's me, Bro, that's me. Yeah, I played with Bro 1:23:38.360 --> 1:23:40.800 all that same dumb shit, but you pulled me over 1:23:40.920 --> 1:23:44.320 for some bullshit skate. Yeah, let me out. I gotta go. 1:23:44.880 --> 1:23:48.360 I really need to leave, Sir, I do sir can 1:23:48.439 --> 1:23:51.320 I have my ID back. My father's an insurance agent. 1:23:51.400 --> 1:23:53.720 I know my ship together. Give me my ship back, 1:23:53.800 --> 1:23:55.960 Clock League, because you ain't pull me over for nothing. 1:23:56.200 --> 1:24:01.920 But it's like playing on that. I've been slammed on 1:24:02.000 --> 1:24:06.559 the hood of cause I've been padded down for no reason. 1:24:06.960 --> 1:24:09.840 I've had to deal with all the same similar things 1:24:09.920 --> 1:24:14.679 as everybody else. Being an African American man that stands 1:24:14.760 --> 1:24:19.240 over six feet, I'm automatically a threat. If you're a 1:24:19.360 --> 1:24:22.599 cop that's not way bigger than me. I would see 1:24:22.600 --> 1:24:24.360 myself as a threat too, you know what I'm saying. 1:24:24.360 --> 1:24:27.320 I'm not saying this like it's a bad thing, but 1:24:27.400 --> 1:24:29.800 it's like I've had to deal with that. So for 1:24:29.960 --> 1:24:34.640 me in life, I don't take things as all. This 1:24:34.840 --> 1:24:39.040 is unfair. I'm sad. Everything to me is competition. So 1:24:39.160 --> 1:24:42.440 it's like, Okay, this is a game. This is now monopoly. 1:24:44.479 --> 1:24:47.439 I win. That's what this album is. It's like, bro 1:24:47.680 --> 1:24:51.200 y'all gave me shit. I was a border kid. Y'all 1:24:51.240 --> 1:24:53.840 didn't really like the suburb kids said I was broke. 1:24:54.200 --> 1:24:56.720 The city kids said I was a suburb kid, and 1:24:56.760 --> 1:24:59.840 I was soft. You know what I'm saying, y'all said, 1:24:59.880 --> 1:25:01.840 no body go to the league from Old Park. Like, 1:25:02.040 --> 1:25:04.919 I'm like, far as I'm concerned, I won this game Monopoly. 1:25:05.200 --> 1:25:07.080 Like that's how I feel. As far as I'm concerned, 1:25:07.479 --> 1:25:13.040 I won, Officer. You know what I'm saying, Like, Officer, 1:25:13.200 --> 1:25:15.599 you just got to get better at the game of Monopoly. Bro. 1:25:15.720 --> 1:25:17.479 But I didn't tell you to be an officer. You 1:25:17.520 --> 1:25:19.400 know what I'm saying. You could drive this same car 1:25:19.479 --> 1:25:21.680 if you work really hard and put that bitch in 1:25:21.720 --> 1:25:23.639 the hoop. You know what I'm saying, If you put 1:25:23.640 --> 1:25:25.559 it in a hoop, I swear to God, you could 1:25:25.560 --> 1:25:28.080 be here too. You could do this too, Bro, Probably 1:25:28.200 --> 1:25:31.679 five eighth to do with me, because there's some people 1:25:31.720 --> 1:25:34.000 that's five league, yeah that they't got nothing to do 1:25:34.080 --> 1:25:36.519 with it. Not many people that are. It's a couple 1:25:36.560 --> 1:25:40.839 of girls, it's a couple of guys. Man. But Isaiah's 1:25:40.840 --> 1:25:43.040 in the G League. Who else? Who else is five 1:25:43.120 --> 1:25:46.920 ft eight? I mean, I hate that G League. See, 1:25:46.920 --> 1:25:49.080 I hate that the G League made it possible for 1:25:49.160 --> 1:25:51.599 people to say that about Isaiah. I know, because God 1:25:51.640 --> 1:25:54.920 bless him, he's in it. Bro, I cannot believe the 1:25:55.160 --> 1:25:58.599 violation that the G League will allow. Bro. We can't 1:25:58.800 --> 1:26:05.280 do that. That big who who that was All Star candidate? 1:26:06.360 --> 1:26:10.439 Dog gave us fifty After he got terrible news in 1:26:10.520 --> 1:26:16.080 the playoffs, he took a shot, just taking shots in 1:26:16.160 --> 1:26:18.280 the hip so that he could figure it out. I know, 1:26:18.439 --> 1:26:21.360 I was so mad when these people got this man 1:26:21.720 --> 1:26:26.000 beg and to play basketball. Well not big, but it's crazy. 1:26:26.160 --> 1:26:28.840 He should not be knocking on nobody door, Like, yeah, man, 1:26:28.920 --> 1:26:30.880 I got more in the tank, Like, come on, bro, 1:26:31.160 --> 1:26:33.880 like that type of stuff that hurts. Do you still 1:26:34.000 --> 1:26:35.800 do you still feel like I'm knock on door? Do 1:26:35.840 --> 1:26:37.760 you still feel like you have some some of the tank? 1:26:38.800 --> 1:26:41.600 I got more feel something I'm saying, do you have 1:26:41.760 --> 1:26:43.840 the like do you still want a lot of people 1:26:43.920 --> 1:26:46.439 playing basketball right now in the league over me? That 1:26:46.520 --> 1:26:48.760 I feel like they should not be playing ball in 1:26:48.840 --> 1:26:51.040 the league over me? You know what I'm saying, I'm 1:26:51.160 --> 1:26:53.800 sure willing to violate. I'm not gonna get y'all specifics 1:26:53.840 --> 1:26:55.560 and try and violate people. I mean, I could go 1:26:55.640 --> 1:26:59.000 through an ultimate I'm an ultimate competitor. Everybody didn't know 1:26:59.120 --> 1:27:01.280 me in the league. No, bro, I want to compete. 1:27:01.320 --> 1:27:04.680 I want war, I want conflict, like I love that 1:27:04.880 --> 1:27:06.680 energy of basketball. I tell you who I would rather 1:27:06.760 --> 1:27:10.120 have on the Sun's I would rather have you instead 1:27:10.120 --> 1:27:13.559 of Admiral nat There's a guy on the Sun's name. 1:27:15.080 --> 1:27:18.000 Every time he gets every time, every time Monsie Williams 1:27:18.000 --> 1:27:20.040 puts Admiral Nader in the fucking game, I want to 1:27:20.040 --> 1:27:23.320 stab myself. But you know what's crazy. That's what I'm 1:27:23.320 --> 1:27:26.519 gonna tell you about basketball though, Like I'm able to 1:27:26.560 --> 1:27:29.479 talk about it because I'd have played in the league. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:27:29.479 --> 1:27:35.760 I'm talking. But the thing that's crazy is you'll put 1:27:35.920 --> 1:27:38.519 dude on the court in the right system and he'll 1:27:38.600 --> 1:27:40.640 bust people in for sure. I mean everyone in the 1:27:40.760 --> 1:27:44.160 NBA is good, right, very good, Yes, very good. It's 1:27:44.240 --> 1:27:47.479 just crazy that you can That's what I'm saying. Before 1:27:47.600 --> 1:27:51.679 bron went to Miami, Bro, do you realize I feel 1:27:51.680 --> 1:27:53.920 like it was not disrespected. I feel like it was 1:27:54.040 --> 1:27:57.479 only hardcore. I feel like there was no disrespect going. 1:27:57.680 --> 1:28:01.080 I don't know mans like this when I was When 1:28:01.080 --> 1:28:04.599 I was a kid, I hated Karl Malone so much. 1:28:05.960 --> 1:28:10.320 I just I would John Stocked. I just thought John 1:28:10.360 --> 1:28:13.080 Stock was the corny is short short wearing I'm like, 1:28:13.120 --> 1:28:15.680 look at this corny ass motherfucker. Like that was what 1:28:15.800 --> 1:28:17.720 made the basketball great because like you gotta come to 1:28:17.880 --> 1:28:20.800 Utah and God, these short, short motherfuckers that say, yeah, 1:28:20.880 --> 1:28:22.800 y'all have this slag, we go bust y'all last week, 1:28:22.840 --> 1:28:26.760 y'all get here, you know. I mean that's I feel 1:28:26.760 --> 1:28:29.600 like hardcore basketball fans are always talking shit. Oh no, 1:28:29.720 --> 1:28:32.000 for sure, you got to that's what make the game great. 1:28:32.280 --> 1:28:35.000 Let me ask you this, do you guys pay attention 1:28:35.600 --> 1:28:39.160 to the Skip Bayless's of the world, the First Takes 1:28:39.200 --> 1:28:41.200 of the world, the Steven A. Smith's of the world. 1:28:41.520 --> 1:28:43.880 Part of it, They're part of it. It annoys you, 1:28:44.160 --> 1:28:46.559 but I don't think we take it. We don't take 1:28:46.600 --> 1:28:49.599 it that. Some guys do have moments where they take 1:28:49.600 --> 1:28:52.160 it pretty personal, though, but it's just annoying. Like you 1:28:52.479 --> 1:28:55.880 you wake up from your pregame map and you got 1:28:56.240 --> 1:28:59.800 a million text messages about what Skip Bayless said about 1:28:59.840 --> 1:29:03.240 you before a game. Because some of that stuff to 1:29:03.320 --> 1:29:07.280 me is like borderline, like take it personal types, especially 1:29:07.320 --> 1:29:09.080 like when we're talking about, like you know, the Skip 1:29:09.160 --> 1:29:11.920 and Lebron dynamic or some of the stuff Stephen A. 1:29:12.040 --> 1:29:15.400 Smith has said about certain people. I'm glad at times, 1:29:15.439 --> 1:29:19.439 I'm glad they don't do that to me. You know 1:29:19.479 --> 1:29:20.960 what I'm saying. You're not sure how you would take it. 1:29:20.960 --> 1:29:24.439 I'm sure. I'm not sure how I would, but I'm 1:29:24.479 --> 1:29:29.960 big on I'll take it fine publicly like I can. 1:29:30.560 --> 1:29:34.280 I can media coach myself. Right. You could be in 1:29:34.320 --> 1:29:37.760 the press contrad ask me a question. I get the 1:29:38.200 --> 1:29:40.439 Marshawn Lynch. I'm just here so I will get fine. 1:29:40.560 --> 1:29:43.760 Like whatever. It's when I have to see you again, 1:29:44.520 --> 1:29:47.400 that's when things can get interesting. Yeah, Like stephen A 1:29:47.640 --> 1:29:51.479 is a you shooting around before the game. He come 1:29:51.520 --> 1:29:53.880 out there? What's up? Man? Just start talking to you. 1:29:54.000 --> 1:29:56.760 It's like, bro, if you ever went on national television 1:29:57.920 --> 1:30:00.880 and created a whirl win with my my life before 1:30:00.880 --> 1:30:03.439 a basketball game and I didn't perform how I wanted 1:30:03.520 --> 1:30:06.000 in that basketball game, if you walked up to me before, 1:30:06.040 --> 1:30:09.240 I don't know what will happen. Yeah, just because I 1:30:09.320 --> 1:30:11.920 will react, you know what I'm saying, Like it would 1:30:11.960 --> 1:30:14.040 be literally grown man react and the same way you 1:30:14.080 --> 1:30:16.360 say when you play basketball, you react to go get 1:30:16.360 --> 1:30:18.680 the loose ball. You don't think about that like you 1:30:18.760 --> 1:30:20.600 when you talk about something like that. It's like, bro, 1:30:21.040 --> 1:30:24.040 I did everything right with my pregame. My pregame routine. 1:30:24.479 --> 1:30:26.559 I was in a vibe, we had a great practice, 1:30:26.640 --> 1:30:31.160 We're doing all this stuff, and now randomly you bringing 1:30:31.200 --> 1:30:33.200 this up, and you and Skip argued about it for 1:30:33.280 --> 1:30:36.519 an hour, and now everything that everybody is talking about 1:30:36.600 --> 1:30:38.960 is just negative stuff for my name, and I can't 1:30:39.040 --> 1:30:41.760 do anything now. I can't go on Instagram if I 1:30:41.840 --> 1:30:46.360 wanted to look at something that was posted by my wife. 1:30:47.040 --> 1:30:49.160 I can't go on Instagram now because as soon as 1:30:49.200 --> 1:30:52.000 I open it, everybody's talking about what you Skip was 1:30:52.080 --> 1:30:53.840 talking about. You know what I'm saying. So it's like, 1:30:53.880 --> 1:30:56.320 if I had to deal with that dynamic every day, 1:30:57.000 --> 1:30:59.559 I probably would have an issue with it. I can 1:30:59.600 --> 1:31:02.200 only a mater. I'm glad I didn't I had to. 1:31:02.320 --> 1:31:05.200 You know, I think after a while, everybody sort of realize, like, hey, bro, 1:31:05.360 --> 1:31:09.000 let's just lead dude out of it. Would you would you? 1:31:09.640 --> 1:31:12.160 Would you try to get would you trying to get 1:31:12.200 --> 1:31:13.680 back on a roster? Or do you like the Big 1:31:13.760 --> 1:31:19.000 three thing at all? Or oh? I don't know. I 1:31:19.280 --> 1:31:21.680 ain't never gonna say no. I love basketball, bro, like 1:31:21.920 --> 1:31:24.200 I just like playing basketball, So I wouldn't rule the 1:31:24.320 --> 1:31:26.760 Big three out. Big three. It's always I love watching 1:31:26.800 --> 1:31:28.840 the Big Three I just like playing basket. I like 1:31:28.880 --> 1:31:30.840 to see Iso Joe out there. You know what I'm saying. 1:31:30.920 --> 1:31:33.559 It's just love. It's like, bro, we're gonna play anyway. Yeah. 1:31:33.880 --> 1:31:35.800 I try and explain to people all the time. They're like, man, 1:31:36.040 --> 1:31:38.559 I wish you just it's not like you stopped playing. Yeah, 1:31:38.560 --> 1:31:40.800 it's like, bro, I don't not love basket. Still play 1:31:40.920 --> 1:31:44.280 like the owners of that ball club and the GM 1:31:44.880 --> 1:31:47.560 is going a different direction that has nothing to do 1:31:47.680 --> 1:31:50.519 with eman, like you're not finna Like bro, if y'all 1:31:50.560 --> 1:31:52.519 want to come to the gym that I be at, like, 1:31:53.080 --> 1:31:56.920 you gotta know somebody, right, But it's like we be 1:31:57.000 --> 1:31:59.680 in the gym, like we're getting it in. It's just 1:32:00.479 --> 1:32:03.720 whether or not the opportunity is there because I'm like 1:32:03.840 --> 1:32:07.479 though though, it's like I'm working my ass off. They 1:32:07.520 --> 1:32:09.160 can't just be like, oh yeah, man, come in. They 1:32:09.200 --> 1:32:11.839 gotta make sense. Like they got young guys they drafted, 1:32:11.920 --> 1:32:15.400 they got it right. They got G League guys that 1:32:15.479 --> 1:32:18.800 are already there that are twenty two years old and 1:32:19.000 --> 1:32:22.760 healthy right now and under their wing. It's like me, 1:32:23.320 --> 1:32:25.400 it's hit a miss, bro. It honestly is if you 1:32:25.640 --> 1:32:28.960 bringing in a ten year veteran. I'm thirty years old. 1:32:29.080 --> 1:32:31.559 I don't come with you're not that old. I'm thirty one. 1:32:32.320 --> 1:32:34.200 I'm just saying. What I'm saying is if you got 1:32:34.240 --> 1:32:37.120 a twenty two year old and you wasn't gonna give 1:32:37.160 --> 1:32:39.640 me the ball twenty times a play anyway, I mean 1:32:39.680 --> 1:32:42.640 twenty times a game anyway, why wouldn't you pay the 1:32:42.680 --> 1:32:44.599 twenty two year old? Do you think? Because I think 1:32:44.720 --> 1:32:46.519 I think of like a team like the Lakers that 1:32:46.600 --> 1:32:50.000 have lost a lot of their defensive credibility this year. 1:32:50.080 --> 1:32:53.960 That's what I'm saying. That's on bron Man, Bron Bro, 1:32:54.200 --> 1:32:56.160 you know what time it is? Man? That's old you. 1:32:56.240 --> 1:32:58.200 S What do you think you know what time it is? 1:32:58.320 --> 1:33:00.439 That's old you, bro. You know you You could call 1:33:00.600 --> 1:33:03.880 Shy Mellow too. It ain't just on Braun, I lie Mellow. 1:33:03.960 --> 1:33:06.080 That's on YouTube. Man. If y'all want to hear nothing 1:33:06.080 --> 1:33:12.439 about y'all little defensive issues and leadership veteran issues and all, 1:33:12.560 --> 1:33:13.840 I don't want to hear that out of them too. 1:33:14.040 --> 1:33:15.840 I was gonna ask you, like, as just from someone 1:33:15.880 --> 1:33:19.200 who's closer to you know, Bron and Mellow like you know, 1:33:19.400 --> 1:33:21.280 and also as a basketball guy, what do you think 1:33:21.400 --> 1:33:26.639 is wrong with the Lakers this year? Shit something doing 1:33:26.680 --> 1:33:30.360 an interview with you right now, that's their issue. She 1:33:30.439 --> 1:33:34.720 should be with them. No, uh no, for real, for real, 1:33:36.240 --> 1:33:38.560 I was playing, but I'm kind of serious, Like I 1:33:38.720 --> 1:33:42.200 really do feel like it's something that's I haven't been 1:33:42.240 --> 1:33:44.439 around the team to know exactly what it is, right, 1:33:44.800 --> 1:33:51.040 but to me, they don't get down together like I 1:33:51.120 --> 1:33:53.280 feel like they feel like they're hanging out. Well, I 1:33:53.320 --> 1:33:55.160 feel like they traded away a lot of that, right 1:33:55.200 --> 1:33:57.920 because if you think of like for sure, but I mean, 1:33:59.400 --> 1:34:01.800 there was a time that during that Calf season that 1:34:01.960 --> 1:34:06.320 Bron literally it stretched stressed the importance of us all 1:34:06.400 --> 1:34:09.839 hanging out together. Like I remember, was it the Halloween 1:34:09.920 --> 1:34:12.479 party with Steph always do stuff like it? Was it 1:34:12.560 --> 1:34:15.320 steph Cree tombstone? Was that what it was? I forget 1:34:15.360 --> 1:34:18.360 what it was. It was something like that. It was 1:34:18.400 --> 1:34:20.519 like a Warriors tombstone or something that one of Lebron's 1:34:20.560 --> 1:34:25.360 Halloween parties. Yeah, I don't remember that. That's that's fucking good. 1:34:25.960 --> 1:34:28.840 But so you you think it's just the fact that 1:34:28.880 --> 1:34:31.120 they don't really get down together like it just I 1:34:31.160 --> 1:34:33.240 don't think they got to a dance they haven't had 1:34:33.240 --> 1:34:34.920 a chance yet. You know what I'm saying, Like maybe 1:34:35.680 --> 1:34:38.000 COVID all this other stuff, like it just doesn't look 1:34:38.080 --> 1:34:40.560 like a bunch of guys that been hanging out and 1:34:41.439 --> 1:34:43.840 playing pick up against each other enough, you know what 1:34:43.840 --> 1:34:45.599 I'm saying. It's like they don't know how to all 1:34:45.720 --> 1:34:48.080 the way get each other vibing. And that's you know, 1:34:48.200 --> 1:34:51.000 once you add Russell Westbrook, it changes a huge dame. 1:34:51.040 --> 1:34:53.160 Do you think that that was Do you think that 1:34:53.240 --> 1:34:55.040 that was the right decision? Think that was the right 1:34:55.080 --> 1:34:57.240 decision at all. I think that they would have rather 1:34:57.320 --> 1:35:00.880 have had Buddy Hill than kept Alex Caruso, because that's 1:35:00.880 --> 1:35:03.000 why I think it's better if it works better for Broun. Right, 1:35:03.400 --> 1:35:09.400 But you're also talking about nineteen years in Broun. Yeah, 1:35:10.479 --> 1:35:16.320 you know what I'm saying. So it's like, m there. 1:35:16.400 --> 1:35:18.400 I saw today that they were saying that the Lakers 1:35:18.439 --> 1:35:20.240 are it's okay to bring Russ if you got a 1:35:20.360 --> 1:35:23.280 nineteen year in Broun, because it's like Russell pushed that 1:35:23.400 --> 1:35:26.639 pace and if Lebron has to sit out two weeks, 1:35:26.680 --> 1:35:29.240 there's someone who is hold post, who can hold the 1:35:29.280 --> 1:35:31.200 Ford down. Let me ask you this, there there's a 1:35:31.320 --> 1:35:35.120 rumor going around that the Lakers are looking into Ben Simmons. 1:35:36.040 --> 1:35:39.639 If you're the Lakers GM, hypothetically Imon Schumper, you're the GM. 1:35:39.800 --> 1:35:41.840 We've seen it happen. James Jones is the Son's GM. 1:35:41.880 --> 1:35:43.360 He was in the league not long too long ago. 1:35:44.400 --> 1:35:48.719 If you could trade Russell Westbrook for Ben Simmons, would 1:35:48.760 --> 1:35:55.320 you make that swap? If I'm the Lakers, If you're 1:35:55.320 --> 1:36:00.400 the Lakers, you're making the swaps. That's fair for sure. 1:36:01.000 --> 1:36:05.160 But that's just me. That's my preference of basketball. It's 1:36:05.479 --> 1:36:07.800 it helps you a lot on on the defensive liability 1:36:07.840 --> 1:36:10.240 that's happening. You got the best perimeterive defensive guy in 1:36:10.280 --> 1:36:13.720 the league. It becomes great on defense. It ruins a 1:36:13.800 --> 1:36:17.560 lot offensively. It does scares them, which scares them, but 1:36:17.680 --> 1:36:20.080 it only ruins a lot offensively if you're not willing 1:36:20.120 --> 1:36:22.720 to take the challenge of what the challenge is when 1:36:22.920 --> 1:36:26.200 taking on Ben Simmons. The challenge of taking on Ben 1:36:26.280 --> 1:36:31.000 Simmons is he doesn't shoot threes. But it's not the 1:36:31.720 --> 1:36:35.400 we need him to. He just doesn't shoot threes. And 1:36:35.520 --> 1:36:38.640 it's okay. The moment everybody gets that ship out of 1:36:38.760 --> 1:36:42.280 their mind, he's gonna be fine. Who gives a fuck, 1:36:43.040 --> 1:36:48.120 DeMar don't shoot threes? The more we don't give as 1:36:48.120 --> 1:36:51.799 putting it in work right now, But listen to Simmons 1:36:51.880 --> 1:36:53.920 been putting in You're right right. I just think that 1:36:54.920 --> 1:36:57.960 Ben Simmons been putting in work. You don't fool y'all, 1:36:58.040 --> 1:37:00.920 So listen, don't fool y'all all self. For what Ben 1:37:01.000 --> 1:37:02.960 Simmons been out here now, I think he's been the 1:37:02.960 --> 1:37:04.679 best defensive player of the last three or four years. 1:37:04.800 --> 1:37:07.439 Fuck the defense, bro. Offensively is a bit of a 1:37:07.479 --> 1:37:11.320 liability though, no, he's not. He just doesn't shoot the three. 1:37:12.120 --> 1:37:16.200 He was if he was six foot two, y'all would 1:37:16.200 --> 1:37:19.320 not care that he can't shoot if he was six two. 1:37:21.880 --> 1:37:26.160 Because he's six 's eight and he lights skin. Y'all 1:37:26.240 --> 1:37:28.160 got an issue with this man not shooting. Are you 1:37:28.200 --> 1:37:32.439 saying he looks like a tall Steph Curry? Yes, that's 1:37:32.640 --> 1:37:37.880 precisely what I'm saying. That's literally what I'm telling y'all. Bro. Literally, 1:37:38.800 --> 1:37:41.040 if this dude was just dark skin, I don't think 1:37:41.080 --> 1:37:43.840 we would care. But he is supposed to technically, he's 1:37:43.840 --> 1:37:46.479 supposed to be able to shoot the three. And if 1:37:46.520 --> 1:37:48.760 I was a coach, I would not give a fuck 1:37:48.840 --> 1:37:50.760 if this boy shooting three. I can't believe he got 1:37:50.800 --> 1:37:53.560 this far without shooting three. I wish I could have 1:37:53.600 --> 1:37:56.040 got that far without shooting the three. Bro, I wish 1:37:56.160 --> 1:37:58.439 to death that coaches never turned me to three and D. 1:37:58.520 --> 1:38:02.080 I hate shooting threes. I've always hated it, never liked it. 1:38:02.200 --> 1:38:04.080 Felt like it was soft, made me look soft, made 1:38:04.120 --> 1:38:06.360 me feel soft. I didn't feel tough when I had 1:38:06.400 --> 1:38:07.920 to shoot hell of three's and people was like, why 1:38:08.000 --> 1:38:09.960 you you got to go back to that mode. I'm like, bro, 1:38:10.040 --> 1:38:11.840 they took the ball from me. I stand in the corner. 1:38:12.160 --> 1:38:14.280 I feel light skinned. I feel like the sun is 1:38:14.360 --> 1:38:17.120 not hitting me at all. Like that's how I felt, 1:38:17.160 --> 1:38:18.599 you know what I'm saying. I feel like I'm losing 1:38:18.680 --> 1:38:21.120 my superpowers standing over here. It's just not the same. 1:38:21.360 --> 1:38:24.919 And I feel like if the Lakers take on being Simmons, 1:38:24.960 --> 1:38:27.360 it's like, shuddy, if you let that man run point 1:38:27.400 --> 1:38:30.920 he pushing that tempo all game. Now you got him 1:38:31.000 --> 1:38:33.639 and Braun going back and forth, both of them point forwards. 1:38:33.720 --> 1:38:36.400 You changing the game. That's twin Towers at the PG. 1:38:37.240 --> 1:38:41.000 We've never seen that. Yeah. I just think I think 1:38:41.040 --> 1:38:44.400 AD's gotta I don't know, and then you got a d. Yeah, 1:38:45.040 --> 1:38:49.160 give me two shooters and let's go hoop. Yeah, what 1:38:49.320 --> 1:38:51.960 the fuck is? What the fuck is the other side 1:38:52.040 --> 1:38:54.200 gonna do? I just need the question, But yeah, I 1:38:54.200 --> 1:38:56.400 would pull the trigger on that. No disrespect and then 1:38:56.400 --> 1:38:59.560 you'd sign yourself to be no disrespect. God, you know 1:38:59.680 --> 1:39:02.519 how you down which you sure go to war with 1:39:02.680 --> 1:39:05.479 you against you or whatever. Man, there's no disrespect to you. 1:39:05.680 --> 1:39:08.760 But if I'm being a GM boy, I'm getting that 1:39:08.880 --> 1:39:12.520 ring kid a couple of quick ones. The most frustrating 1:39:12.560 --> 1:39:18.160 player you ever had to guard, James Harden. He learned 1:39:18.200 --> 1:39:21.639 how to bend that rule book loophole. God, the best 1:39:21.960 --> 1:39:24.880 I've ever seen it done. The best I've ever seen 1:39:24.920 --> 1:39:29.280 it done. He's like an old white man for taxes. Yeah, 1:39:31.760 --> 1:39:33.800 he's gonna get the both out of it. He's gonna 1:39:33.840 --> 1:39:35.760 get you heres return. You're gonna think you have to 1:39:35.760 --> 1:39:38.000 spend one hundred grand in taxes out the window. He's 1:39:38.000 --> 1:39:41.640 gonna get your back. That's hell right there. But he, 1:39:42.800 --> 1:39:47.120 James Is, he figured out a way to like and 1:39:47.280 --> 1:39:50.360 for everything that you got on him, he figures out 1:39:50.400 --> 1:39:53.160 the loophole by next year, like that one foot shot 1:39:53.360 --> 1:39:55.680 just became from people. You just start picking up his 1:39:55.720 --> 1:39:57.760 footwork too good, and he came with a one foot 1:39:57.840 --> 1:40:00.639 three yeah, And people thought it was the joke during 1:40:00.680 --> 1:40:03.439 the summer, and it was not a joke. He started 1:40:03.479 --> 1:40:06.120 shooting it in the game. It's unbelievable somebody got the 1:40:06.200 --> 1:40:09.600 balls to shoot a one foot float or three. Yeah, No, 1:40:09.640 --> 1:40:13.320 it's crazy. Off a step back, what about someone who 1:40:13.400 --> 1:40:16.880 you feel like you had your biggest personal rival on 1:40:16.960 --> 1:40:18.680 the court, somebody who you know, maybe there was a 1:40:18.680 --> 1:40:21.559 little personal tension where you know, maybe you guys went 1:40:21.640 --> 1:40:23.479 to war so much that it kind of felt like, 1:40:23.920 --> 1:40:26.120 you know, there was there was like some serious energy 1:40:26.120 --> 1:40:27.880 at a certain point in your career whenever you would 1:40:27.880 --> 1:40:38.439 step on the court with someone. Hmmm. I ain't never 1:40:38.520 --> 1:40:41.880 really had nobody go like really bad blood with me. 1:40:42.439 --> 1:40:43.720 I feel like there was a time. Wasn't there a 1:40:43.760 --> 1:40:45.080 time you got in trouble for trying to go into 1:40:45.120 --> 1:40:49.720 the locker room to fight somebody after the game. Oh, Nurkics, Nurkics, Yeah, 1:40:50.080 --> 1:40:54.719 that's he was doing the NBA talk And I wasn't. 1:40:55.080 --> 1:40:56.960 I wasn't trying to get the on the court tech. 1:40:57.160 --> 1:40:59.680 But it was like it was just we end up 1:40:59.720 --> 1:41:05.599 having a conversation afterwards. I believe I forgot who who 1:41:05.720 --> 1:41:07.800 set it up for us, but I ended up talking 1:41:07.880 --> 1:41:09.759 to him. But I think the next time we played 1:41:09.840 --> 1:41:14.200 or some shit squashed it. But it was a I 1:41:14.280 --> 1:41:15.960 felt like some of the shit he was doing. And 1:41:16.080 --> 1:41:17.640 one of the things he said it was like, Bro, 1:41:17.800 --> 1:41:21.360 there's a slow mode replay, like you realize my daughter, 1:41:21.479 --> 1:41:23.720 somebody on the street might really think this is how 1:41:23.760 --> 1:41:26.960 this go, like they might think they really, Finnah get 1:41:27.040 --> 1:41:29.280 this off. And I'm letting you know, bro, we don't 1:41:29.320 --> 1:41:32.080 get that off. Like I told him when I was 1:41:32.120 --> 1:41:33.920 coming to the locker room. I told him on the court, 1:41:34.000 --> 1:41:36.160 and I think everybody thought because we won, I just 1:41:36.400 --> 1:41:39.519 was like gonna let it go. And I took off 1:41:39.560 --> 1:41:42.320 and went through the back. And you know what's crazy 1:41:42.439 --> 1:41:45.240 is they made it a big thing. Like I walked 1:41:45.320 --> 1:41:47.560 over there and people was like holding me back and 1:41:47.640 --> 1:41:49.960 all this other bullshit and it wasn't, bro, Like I 1:41:50.040 --> 1:41:52.280 knew how to get there through this. I went through 1:41:52.320 --> 1:41:55.320 the back, locker room everything to where I just popped 1:41:55.360 --> 1:41:57.120 up and I'm at his locker room, gee, and I'm 1:41:57.200 --> 1:41:59.280 like come out, come out here and have a conversation 1:41:59.439 --> 1:42:01.080 with me. G Really, I don't even know if I 1:42:01.160 --> 1:42:04.479 was gonna fight him or not. Yeah, we gotta have 1:42:04.600 --> 1:42:07.479 a talk, bro, cause y'all just this NBA shit is 1:42:07.520 --> 1:42:09.439 to y'all going too far, bro. And I don't know. 1:42:10.200 --> 1:42:13.519 I don't know where we at, Like you can't tell 1:42:13.560 --> 1:42:16.479 me it's on deck like that, and then I get 1:42:16.520 --> 1:42:18.559 out the uber and you're right there, bro, because once 1:42:18.600 --> 1:42:20.559 it's on deck, it's on deck. So it's like, I'm 1:42:20.600 --> 1:42:22.400 not you know what I'm saying, Like I don't know 1:42:22.479 --> 1:42:24.680 how to do that. Every time somebody told me it's 1:42:24.720 --> 1:42:27.200 on sight, it was really on site. That's real shit. 1:42:27.280 --> 1:42:29.080 And I'm fighting for you know what I'm saying, I'm 1:42:29.120 --> 1:42:32.360 not really just it ain't no the teacher gonna break 1:42:32.360 --> 1:42:33.920 it up, fight, you know what I'm saying. It's like 1:42:34.120 --> 1:42:35.960 I donet been in a fight that took two minutes 1:42:36.000 --> 1:42:38.000 long like you have been to fight. Take two minutes, bro, 1:42:38.080 --> 1:42:40.360 It's the longest shit in the world. Two minutes is 1:42:40.360 --> 1:42:42.960 a long fight, a long street. You fighting. If you're 1:42:43.000 --> 1:42:49.160 fighting for twenty seconds, it feels but ain't nobody helping? 1:42:49.680 --> 1:42:51.439 It's like if ain't nobody help, ain't nobody here? To 1:42:51.479 --> 1:42:53.360 break you two minutes a very long fight. So that's 1:42:53.439 --> 1:42:56.160 what I'm thinking of. I'm thinking more like that, Like, bro, 1:42:56.240 --> 1:42:58.599 if we pop out in a club, what I'm supposed 1:42:58.600 --> 1:43:00.800 to just act like we're cool now, Like after you 1:43:00.880 --> 1:43:02.920 say some shit like that, like you do some shit 1:43:03.040 --> 1:43:07.400 like that. Like he's he was just like too, I 1:43:07.439 --> 1:43:09.720 don't know, it was too, like whatever, deal with it. 1:43:09.840 --> 1:43:12.600 I'm like, bro, ain't no, deal with it? Like, ain't no. 1:43:12.800 --> 1:43:15.320 And then he's like saying a different language and through 1:43:15.360 --> 1:43:17.919 a couple of you know, through a couple of American 1:43:18.040 --> 1:43:20.479 curse words at me. I'm sweaty. I ain't going for that. 1:43:20.640 --> 1:43:22.519 I don't like it. That's all I ran back there. 1:43:22.560 --> 1:43:24.759 But I ain't never had nobody that I'm like looking 1:43:24.840 --> 1:43:27.600 for in the league, Like I've never had nothing like that. 1:43:28.320 --> 1:43:30.040 I just think he just took it a little too 1:43:30.080 --> 1:43:32.240 far when he shouldered me. Who do you think is 1:43:32.280 --> 1:43:36.479 the most underrated player that you ever share the court 1:43:36.520 --> 1:43:39.240 within the NBA? Just someone who doesn't get enough love, 1:43:39.400 --> 1:43:43.040 enough flowers for how good they are or what they 1:43:43.120 --> 1:43:53.880 bring to the game. J Smith Jr. Jr. Smith, I 1:43:54.000 --> 1:44:00.439 think uh. At one point I even told j he 1:44:00.640 --> 1:44:03.200 was like he was talking to me like, I'm like, bro, 1:44:03.200 --> 1:44:05.240 I don't know who you think I am. Bro, but 1:44:05.320 --> 1:44:06.920 I used to play with you in the video games, 1:44:07.080 --> 1:44:09.400 Oh for sure on two K with with the Nuggets 1:44:09.439 --> 1:44:12.599 and with the Hornets like he was. At one point though, 1:44:12.680 --> 1:44:14.439 it was like, but that's what I mean about the league. 1:44:14.560 --> 1:44:17.080 Like I remember when he was on the Nuggets he 1:44:17.160 --> 1:44:19.400 was having like like I think he had a fifty 1:44:19.439 --> 1:44:23.240 point game. Yeah, like he he's like I said, he 1:44:23.360 --> 1:44:27.000 when Jerr is hot, it's automatic. But it was like, 1:44:27.320 --> 1:44:30.400 because so many people put him into that category of 1:44:30.600 --> 1:44:33.639 like he's got to be hot, he's streaky, he's he's 1:44:33.680 --> 1:44:36.160 got behavior problem. It's like, Bro, he was eighteen, y'all 1:44:36.200 --> 1:44:38.280 put him in the league and gave him some money. 1:44:39.400 --> 1:44:41.120 He's gonna make like he had to grow up in 1:44:41.200 --> 1:44:44.600 front of everybody. I'm like, Bro, that sucks, and now 1:44:44.720 --> 1:44:47.519 y'all putting him in a weird role. Y'all talking about 1:44:47.560 --> 1:44:50.280 my dog. Like at one point, jay'all was talking to me, 1:44:50.400 --> 1:44:52.760 I'm like, Bro, you are j R. Smith. I don't 1:44:52.800 --> 1:44:56.240 know what the fuck you're talking about right now? You're JR. Smith. 1:44:56.640 --> 1:44:59.160 Don't forget that. Yeah, Like, I don't know what you 1:44:59.320 --> 1:45:01.640 want right now. I used to play video games with you, 1:45:01.800 --> 1:45:05.679 fam like not shoulder to shoulder, motherfucker. Like I'm going 1:45:05.760 --> 1:45:07.880 on the fantasy draft to make sure I got JR. 1:45:07.960 --> 1:45:10.960 Smith on my roster. Like, you not gonna talk to 1:45:11.080 --> 1:45:12.880 me like that, Bro, you gonna talk to me like 1:45:12.960 --> 1:45:15.160 you JR. Smith. I think you're gonna teach me shit 1:45:15.240 --> 1:45:17.760 that JR. Smith should be teaching me, and you gonna 1:45:17.800 --> 1:45:19.880 walk first, like you know what I'm saying. Like that's 1:45:19.920 --> 1:45:21.880 how I felt about Jr. Because it's like bro y'all. 1:45:22.040 --> 1:45:23.599 Like even when on that team, it was like people 1:45:23.600 --> 1:45:27.080 didn't understand I'm still twenty twenty one year old. That 1:45:27.320 --> 1:45:31.120 was like I went from being at Druig Detect, lockout hitting, 1:45:31.160 --> 1:45:33.360 I'm at Chicago. I'm really I mean in Chicago just 1:45:33.439 --> 1:45:36.000 kicking it. I got the homies, we I got ready 1:45:36.040 --> 1:45:38.680 for the for the league. Shit literally just playing with 1:45:38.800 --> 1:45:41.080 my homies every day. We just playing ball in the gym. 1:45:41.600 --> 1:45:44.200 We're doing our own sprint drills. Yeah. I wasn't paying 1:45:44.240 --> 1:45:46.200 a train or nothing. It was just going for blood, 1:45:46.240 --> 1:45:48.720 playing ball every day with them talking shit. So it 1:45:48.840 --> 1:45:52.479 was like, Bro, I went from that to Mello's my teammate. 1:45:52.680 --> 1:45:59.680 Amari's my teammate, Tyson, Baron Davis, Mike Bibbie. I'm looking around, like, motherfucker, 1:46:00.720 --> 1:46:03.080 my baby was on that team. Treon Smith, you just 1:46:03.160 --> 1:46:06.320 came from China to play on my team. Like, I'm 1:46:06.400 --> 1:46:09.280 like this, they don't bro, I'm throwing them. I'm like, 1:46:09.560 --> 1:46:11.599 I th I throw this ship to Jay All today. 1:46:11.720 --> 1:46:15.920 So he caught that backwards. I just I think Jr. 1:46:16.080 --> 1:46:18.439 Like is underappreciated, But I also think like, oh no, 1:46:18.560 --> 1:46:21.240 he's still everybody's favorite. I just think people love him, yeah, 1:46:21.400 --> 1:46:26.680 for sure, but underappreciated and undervalued as a player. He 1:46:26.720 --> 1:46:29.360 should have never touched in a hundred million dollar contract. 1:46:29.400 --> 1:46:31.840 That's what I mean. Like, we're not gonna sit here 1:46:32.920 --> 1:46:36.600 and like it's just other players that got paid just 1:46:36.600 --> 1:46:38.439 because they were a good guy. And I didn't like that. 1:46:39.000 --> 1:46:40.960 There were some players that got guys. What was that 1:46:41.120 --> 1:46:43.840 one weird year where everyone got paid that shouldn't have 1:46:43.840 --> 1:46:47.200 got paid. It's just timing of the negotiation. It was 1:46:47.240 --> 1:46:49.840 the year, the lockout year. The lockout year happened. We 1:46:49.880 --> 1:46:52.680 had to put that new uh CBA in place. The 1:46:52.760 --> 1:46:54.400 name of that dude that got paid that when it 1:46:54.479 --> 1:46:56.920 was on the Lakers llewell. Dan got paid, but he 1:46:56.960 --> 1:46:59.800 actually was solid. But there was the white dude that 1:47:00.080 --> 1:47:03.960 got super paid who ended up It wasn't Mons, it 1:47:04.000 --> 1:47:08.800 wasn't Yeah, it was moscof He didn't get super paid 1:47:08.800 --> 1:47:12.920 for no reason. Though Mai was serving chips. He had 1:47:12.960 --> 1:47:15.320 a great finals. They didn't use him after that. Yeah, 1:47:15.600 --> 1:47:17.160 you know what I'm saying. So it did make him 1:47:17.200 --> 1:47:19.880 the next year. It probably did look like he wasn't ship. Yeah, 1:47:20.080 --> 1:47:22.360 but he had a great finals. If not used properly, 1:47:22.560 --> 1:47:25.680 everybody in the league looks like ship. Okay, what about this? 1:47:26.320 --> 1:47:30.240 What would you Is there anything that you would say 1:47:30.600 --> 1:47:35.960 you like your biggest regret about your career, biggest regret? 1:47:40.520 --> 1:47:45.800 That was one point that uh. They was bringing me 1:47:45.920 --> 1:47:52.400 into office with the Knicks and Mike Woodson was basically 1:47:52.520 --> 1:47:56.640 telling me, I need you to play two guard, like 1:47:56.880 --> 1:47:59.360 I need you to for what this team needs to 1:47:59.479 --> 1:48:02.920 be and no disrespect to Raymond Felton, who at the 1:48:02.960 --> 1:48:07.280 time was running the ball club. For me to grow 1:48:07.600 --> 1:48:10.160 into what I felt like I was gonna become, Like 1:48:10.240 --> 1:48:13.000 I always felt like like I wanted to be Jason Kidd, 1:48:13.080 --> 1:48:15.560 but I always felt like I was Penny. I'm like, 1:48:15.720 --> 1:48:18.960 I'm Penny Hardaway like I'm the big point guard that 1:48:19.400 --> 1:48:21.320 is gonna do funck shit that looks like a two 1:48:21.360 --> 1:48:23.720 guard at times. But I just don't want to play 1:48:23.760 --> 1:48:26.280 two guard. I'd much rather play point and y'all go 1:48:26.400 --> 1:48:28.840 get me somebody that wants to shoot it every time. 1:48:28.920 --> 1:48:31.880 But I don't want like somebody that's like trying to 1:48:31.920 --> 1:48:34.240 figure it out like I wanted an asshole. I want 1:48:34.280 --> 1:48:37.760 a complete dickhead at too. Like right, like, people didn't 1:48:37.800 --> 1:48:40.160 understand why I loved Buddy Hill so much and why 1:48:40.200 --> 1:48:43.840 he played so well when I was there, Buddy healed. 1:48:44.160 --> 1:48:46.679 Is what I'm talking about when I say a complete asshole, 1:48:46.800 --> 1:48:49.439 and not an asshole with how he takes direction or 1:48:49.439 --> 1:48:52.040 anything like that, but an asshole in a regard that 1:48:52.760 --> 1:48:54.800 I could look you in the eye, Buddy and say, 1:48:55.320 --> 1:48:58.400 do not shoot this shot. I don't care how open 1:48:58.479 --> 1:49:01.920 it is. Don't shoot this shot. When I throw it 1:49:02.000 --> 1:49:05.639 to him. If a motherfucker ain't in his face all 1:49:05.800 --> 1:49:11.240 over him, he's shooting it because no amount of pressure, 1:49:11.880 --> 1:49:14.960 no side bet, it ain't nothing that could go on 1:49:15.040 --> 1:49:17.000 in his mind that make him feel like he's about 1:49:17.040 --> 1:49:21.120 to miss this shot. He is completely invested in saying 1:49:21.280 --> 1:49:24.000 I've never missed a shot in my life, and I 1:49:24.080 --> 1:49:26.360 love it because you need a motherfucker like that. That's 1:49:26.400 --> 1:49:29.080 a superpower to be able to shoot an airball, shoot 1:49:29.120 --> 1:49:30.800 it off the glass, and then come down to shoot 1:49:30.840 --> 1:49:35.680 all unbelievable while everybody figure out what they gonna do 1:49:35.720 --> 1:49:39.759 and they see, oh, why are you shooting that? Everybody 1:49:39.800 --> 1:49:42.040 got everything to say, you come down and get that. 1:49:42.280 --> 1:49:44.400 He's shooting four out of four every time I throw 1:49:44.439 --> 1:49:46.040 it to him. It was like I wanted that, and 1:49:46.120 --> 1:49:48.320 I wanted to be Penny, and I had that moment 1:49:48.439 --> 1:49:52.720 in that locker room with Woody. I could have just 1:49:52.920 --> 1:49:54.360 I feel like I should have just tore up the 1:49:54.400 --> 1:49:57.160 locker room when I got traded. I watched Mellow tear 1:49:57.240 --> 1:50:00.720 up the locker room, just throw chair and do all 1:50:00.760 --> 1:50:03.400 the fun shit, and I was like, that's what I 1:50:03.439 --> 1:50:06.719 should have did, and I should have said, trade me, wow, 1:50:07.520 --> 1:50:10.800 trade me, because I'm not playing too. I play point. 1:50:11.040 --> 1:50:12.760 This is how I play. This is how you get 1:50:12.800 --> 1:50:14.720 the most out of me, Like if you take me 1:50:14.840 --> 1:50:16.920 out of that, and I never did this other shit 1:50:16.960 --> 1:50:20.320 before I become something else. And in my mind I 1:50:20.479 --> 1:50:22.679 was trying to hope, like I was just gonna growing 1:50:22.800 --> 1:50:25.160 too this player that you know what I'm saying, Like, 1:50:25.280 --> 1:50:27.120 maybe I play point guard at the end of the 1:50:27.200 --> 1:50:29.120 game now, but I start off playing two guard and 1:50:29.160 --> 1:50:31.160 then I'm averaging more like maybe it could work out. 1:50:31.240 --> 1:50:33.960 I'm trying to like dive into it. And it just 1:50:34.040 --> 1:50:35.800 felt like, all right, Bro, y'all just switched me to 1:50:35.880 --> 1:50:37.360 a three and D guy and now I just got 1:50:37.439 --> 1:50:39.559 less responsibility. But you had a great career. I mean, listen, 1:50:39.680 --> 1:50:41.559 you had a great career for sure, but you asked 1:50:41.560 --> 1:50:43.800 me what I will regret now. I regret doing that 1:50:43.920 --> 1:50:46.280 because I felt a different path. I just wanted to 1:50:46.280 --> 1:50:48.960 play point guard, Bro, Like, even though we won a championship, 1:50:49.000 --> 1:50:50.519 that's what I wanted to do. That's not how I 1:50:50.560 --> 1:50:55.400 wanted to do it. Last thing Jordan of Lebron, who's 1:50:55.400 --> 1:51:02.479 the goat? Jordan? Yeah, okay, like brou you by doll. 1:51:02.680 --> 1:51:05.559 You know this though? Bro argue this about this? Though 1:51:05.840 --> 1:51:08.719 he take that just he like is he conscientious about that? Show? Laughs? 1:51:08.760 --> 1:51:10.840 Is that ship? Bro? Because I feel like he is 1:51:10.880 --> 1:51:13.479 getting the conversation. Why the fuck? I mean, I feel 1:51:13.520 --> 1:51:16.400 like he is the conversations getting compared to Michael Jordan 1:51:16.479 --> 1:51:19.759 though we having real life arguments in barbershops about who's 1:51:19.800 --> 1:51:21.840 better between him and Mike. Let me ask you, this 1:51:22.360 --> 1:51:24.519 go get bad for he don't get mad Bron. That's 1:51:24.560 --> 1:51:26.720 what I'm saying about Broun. That's raw as fuck to 1:51:26.800 --> 1:51:29.960 me because me personally, I would be like, Mike gotta 1:51:29.960 --> 1:51:32.439 play me one on one, funk all that we're streaming 1:51:32.520 --> 1:51:35.600 this ship right because because for real, for real, I 1:51:35.760 --> 1:51:38.720 low key think Mike so competitive, Bro, Mike could come 1:51:38.760 --> 1:51:40.800 out of retirement right now to play and do it 1:51:40.840 --> 1:51:44.680 one hell yeah and take an L. Calm down, they 1:51:44.920 --> 1:51:47.160 take a serious L. You gotta call you. You ain't 1:51:47.200 --> 1:51:49.320 seen Mike who for the while, I don't need to 1:51:49.360 --> 1:51:53.200 see it right now Lebron versus right now? Do you 1:51:53.280 --> 1:51:55.280 know how Mike Jordan? You ain't never seen it? Though 1:51:55.439 --> 1:51:57.920 you've never seen Mike. Just you seen Michael Jordan person. No, 1:51:58.080 --> 1:52:00.200 you've never seen him just sitting down and just get 1:52:00.280 --> 1:52:02.880 up in his street clothes. No, I've heard about it 1:52:02.960 --> 1:52:05.719 though he does it all the time, bro, And every 1:52:05.800 --> 1:52:07.840 time you think like this thig can't dunk no one. 1:52:07.960 --> 1:52:10.800 But don't you think Lebron has had the level of 1:52:10.880 --> 1:52:13.680 competition has been a lot more insane for Lebron. Are 1:52:13.720 --> 1:52:17.800 you being serious right now? Very much? So, you're being 1:52:18.160 --> 1:52:22.320 dead serious. Bro. Okay, you're being dead serious right now. 1:52:22.880 --> 1:52:25.080 Do you know what Michael Jordan had to deal with? Bro? 1:52:26.840 --> 1:52:29.160 We can go over his finals opponents and go over 1:52:29.280 --> 1:52:31.080 Lebron's finals opponents, and you tell me who had the 1:52:31.120 --> 1:52:35.320 tougher teams. You tell me who lost. Okay, that's fair. 1:52:36.080 --> 1:52:43.240 But he also played the Trailblazers. He played what was 1:52:43.280 --> 1:52:48.439 wrong with the Trailblazer I mean they have they have 1:52:48.520 --> 1:52:51.439 a super team. Lebron had to play. It's a dick 1:52:51.560 --> 1:52:55.519 sucking statement. Lebron had to Jesus Christ, this is only 1:52:55.600 --> 1:52:58.320 a statement that will retired to Emon Shuffer could make 1:52:59.560 --> 1:53:02.800 love this saying we're talking ball. So listen. So Lebron 1:53:02.960 --> 1:53:05.559 had to go through and and O five. He had 1:53:05.600 --> 1:53:09.200 to play peak or was it O seven? Rather was 1:53:09.439 --> 1:53:11.240 seven five? He went to the finals against the Spurs. 1:53:11.840 --> 1:53:13.880 He's been quite a few times. Well, the first time 1:53:13.920 --> 1:53:16.439 he went against the Spurs. That was the first kind 1:53:16.479 --> 1:53:21.240 of incarnation of the Spurs dynasty before Kawhi. Right, So 1:53:21.360 --> 1:53:23.960 that's like peak, Manu. So you think Mike and Scotty 1:53:24.040 --> 1:53:26.320 wasn't gonna blow that out? We'd have beat the Spurs 1:53:26.439 --> 1:53:29.439 for zero and send them the fuck home. I don't know, man, 1:53:29.640 --> 1:53:33.320 We just shook pop hand like a great guy. Pop. 1:53:33.520 --> 1:53:37.320 The Jazz took the Bulls. I think I think y'all 1:53:37.439 --> 1:53:40.519 the Cavaliers would have swept the Jazz for we're not 1:53:40.640 --> 1:53:43.160 talking about the Cavaliers. The Bulls didn't sweep the Jazz. 1:53:44.280 --> 1:53:46.479 It was it was. It was a serious series. We 1:53:46.600 --> 1:53:49.200 got Lebron James. We could match up with the Jazz. 1:53:50.360 --> 1:53:53.000 I could get over a screen. We could deal with Johns. 1:53:53.200 --> 1:53:56.080 He that he played a Thunder team with Kevin Durant, 1:53:56.240 --> 1:54:00.760 Russell Westbrook and James Harden in the finals. We could 1:54:00.800 --> 1:54:03.840 have matched up with that with the Bulls. Maam, think 1:54:03.880 --> 1:54:07.680 about it. I got Ron Harp of six six. Who 1:54:07.960 --> 1:54:11.320 was gonna guard Mike on that Thunder team? It wasn't 1:54:11.320 --> 1:54:13.920 gonna be KD. He don't want to do it. Who 1:54:14.120 --> 1:54:17.240 was gonna guard Mike? What I'm saying, who was gonna 1:54:17.280 --> 1:54:19.760 guard him? So you think that because Scotty p was 1:54:19.760 --> 1:54:22.080 gonna guard you think they Scotty Pe was gonna guard KD. 1:54:22.280 --> 1:54:24.720 Mike was defensive team. He was gonna take Russ, who 1:54:24.800 --> 1:54:28.639 we gotta deal with James Carden off the bench. Six men. Okay, 1:54:29.080 --> 1:54:31.000 see what I'm saying, Who's gonna deal with who coach? 1:54:31.080 --> 1:54:33.760 When he come off the bench at six eleven? We 1:54:33.880 --> 1:54:40.160 coming to Partygebaca. So you mean to tell me you 1:54:40.880 --> 1:54:45.080 so cute? You think that's so cute? You think so 1:54:45.320 --> 1:54:47.920 you think the Bulls had tougher competition in the finals. 1:54:48.120 --> 1:54:52.800 I'm saying, don't violate the Bulls. Bro. Not compare these 1:54:52.880 --> 1:54:55.400 new teams. None of them bulls Bro. I don't think 1:54:55.480 --> 1:54:58.160 y'all remember how them Bulls played. Listen, I don't think 1:54:58.240 --> 1:55:02.040 y'all remember I watched I. I don't think I got 1:55:02.080 --> 1:55:04.600 to the NBA. I got to the NBA watching these niggas. 1:55:04.880 --> 1:55:07.440 They wasn't playing with these people. They're not finna play 1:55:07.480 --> 1:55:10.040 none of these games, none of them. You don't remember 1:55:10.080 --> 1:55:12.200 when Gary Payton was giving us a hard time? What 1:55:12.440 --> 1:55:16.320 Phiel do? Hey, Scottie? Deal with this man ninety four feet? 1:55:18.000 --> 1:55:20.920 I like how he speaks as as a wei perspective 1:55:21.120 --> 1:55:23.960 with the Bulls. What you mean were not going. We 1:55:24.200 --> 1:55:27.960 never went. We're not having it. Yeah, it's gotta be 1:55:28.040 --> 1:55:30.080 dope to see the Bulls will be good again? Right? Yeah? 1:55:30.120 --> 1:55:33.760 We wrong? We we cold the Seal right now. And 1:55:34.080 --> 1:55:39.760 speaking of we, the Cavaliers are cold again. Mobley's doing 1:55:39.800 --> 1:55:42.840 a great job. Mobley's but that's not we. Oh so okay, 1:55:42.920 --> 1:55:45.240 So once you're not a Cavalier for life, you watch 1:55:45.280 --> 1:55:49.480 the Cavaliers within the sixteen team. I don't know these 1:55:49.520 --> 1:55:51.160 new guys. I feel like I don't go to war 1:55:51.200 --> 1:55:53.520 with them, okay, because I feel like Cleveland will always 1:55:53.520 --> 1:55:55.320 look at you as like when it like, I like Cleveland. 1:55:56.160 --> 1:55:59.040 You said the Calves though, so no, they traded something. 1:55:59.360 --> 1:56:04.200 They traded them. Yeah, twenty sixteen Calves love them. Everybody else? 1:56:04.560 --> 1:56:11.920 Bullshit there it is man, big top bulls guy. Oh man, Hey, 1:56:12.240 --> 1:56:13.520 do you think my sons have a shot out of 1:56:13.600 --> 1:56:22.200 chip this year? The Suns? Yeah? I don't know, man. 1:56:22.320 --> 1:56:24.520 Last year was y'all, y'all it was our chance, right, 1:56:25.560 --> 1:56:27.560 It's gonna be tough this year. I mean, we've been 1:56:27.600 --> 1:56:30.200 doing all right. It's not even about y'all doing all right. 1:56:30.240 --> 1:56:32.960 It's about if who's your pick off the top of 1:56:32.960 --> 1:56:34.120 your head right now, who's your pick to be in 1:56:34.160 --> 1:56:43.200 the finals? Two teams la Lakers and Clippers. Gotta ask? 1:56:43.360 --> 1:56:48.000 Obviously it's the Lakers, right, or is it the Clippers. 1:56:48.240 --> 1:56:52.120 Kawhi comes back. Maybe they make something happen. Yeah, the 1:56:52.320 --> 1:56:58.000 Lakes show. And every time people do that to me, 1:56:58.080 --> 1:57:00.320 when they say the Lakers are Clippers, it always throws 1:57:00.360 --> 1:57:02.960 me off. It throws me off too. I just have 1:57:03.040 --> 1:57:04.800 to when you said that, I had to think about 1:57:04.840 --> 1:57:07.520 the Clippers roster for a second just to make sure 1:57:07.560 --> 1:57:10.280 I wasn't completely leaving them out. But no, they're not 1:57:10.360 --> 1:57:13.400 gonna I don't feel like they got It'll be either 1:57:14.440 --> 1:57:27.120 the Lakers and the Bulls or m hm. Maybe I 1:57:27.280 --> 1:57:28.760 just wanted to be the Lakers and the Bulls, but 1:57:28.800 --> 1:57:34.400 it's gonna be. I don't really like a lot of 1:57:34.440 --> 1:57:36.720 teams in the East right now. It ain't that they're 1:57:36.760 --> 1:57:39.080 not good. I just don't like them. Yeah, I don't 1:57:39.080 --> 1:57:41.840 like I mean, I hear. I just don't like you 1:57:41.960 --> 1:57:45.080 to even say that to foreshadow, because everyone, we all 1:57:45.120 --> 1:57:47.960 thought the Nets would have been the team, but it's not. 1:57:48.120 --> 1:57:52.720 That's not the Nests yet. Kyrie Shilling, y'all gotta remember 1:57:52.760 --> 1:57:55.960 that man. Ain't there, Mama, that go that man? That 1:57:56.080 --> 1:57:58.480 man at home? Right now? They always say Kyrie, and 1:57:58.600 --> 1:58:01.600 I think Kyrie to me is like as far as 1:58:01.680 --> 1:58:06.440 like handles and just skill wise is probably top five ever. 1:58:07.360 --> 1:58:11.440 But but sure would you would you put him up there? Yeah? 1:58:11.600 --> 1:58:12.880 I mean who else is up there? It ain't a 1:58:12.880 --> 1:58:14.320 lot of motherfuckers up there. I think he's got the 1:58:14.360 --> 1:58:16.480 best handles I've ever seen. But we got who we 1:58:16.600 --> 1:58:27.040 got him, Jamal Crawford. Uh I think. I think when 1:58:27.080 --> 1:58:30.240 I watched when I watched Kyrie play, and it's in 1:58:30.360 --> 1:58:32.800 slow motion and it looks like art. Like when you 1:58:32.880 --> 1:58:36.000 see Kyrie in slow motion in his bag, it's like 1:58:36.120 --> 1:58:40.240 watching art. Dude, it's the craziest show. But it's only 1:58:40.360 --> 1:58:43.600 like a couple of put in there putting that many guys. 1:58:43.600 --> 1:58:45.680 It ain't that many guys with a nasty handle. Like 1:58:46.560 --> 1:58:48.840 everybody just got a handle for what they need to score, 1:58:49.320 --> 1:58:51.640 Like Kyrie got a handle that It's like if you 1:58:51.720 --> 1:58:54.640 need him to dribble out the clock, ain't nobody touching 1:58:54.720 --> 1:58:57.560 that ball. Uh So your project coming out top of 1:58:57.600 --> 1:59:01.040 your hopefully? Yeah, man, this car ain't stolen? Is wife 1:59:01.080 --> 1:59:02.840 he going to be on the project. She's not on 1:59:02.960 --> 1:59:05.600 the project. You know, she's done with music. She's just done. 1:59:05.800 --> 1:59:09.840 She's done with features, done with it all. I can't 1:59:09.880 --> 1:59:11.680 speak for you know what I'm saying, I'm hoping that 1:59:11.880 --> 1:59:15.280 the energy is stays positive and she continues because I 1:59:15.320 --> 1:59:16.960 don't want her to stop, you know what I'm saying, 1:59:16.960 --> 1:59:19.680 But I feel like she's so talented and like somehow 1:59:19.760 --> 1:59:22.880 still hasn't even met her peak yet. But that's the issue. 1:59:22.960 --> 1:59:27.320 That's why she wanted to stop, because it's like whatever 1:59:27.440 --> 1:59:30.720 that wall is, she doesn't understand the wall. And it's like, now, 1:59:31.840 --> 1:59:35.880 if it's going to like hurt her mentally, it's not 1:59:36.000 --> 1:59:37.520 worth dealing with, you know what I'm saying. She's like, 1:59:37.560 --> 1:59:39.480 I've been doing that for so long and it hasn't 1:59:39.480 --> 1:59:42.720 brought me to happiness I need. And before it becomes 1:59:42.760 --> 1:59:47.360 a point where she doesn't love music or to affect 1:59:47.440 --> 1:59:50.120 like you said, if it affects your happiness, and it's 1:59:50.160 --> 1:59:52.920 like a piece some of that is like I want 1:59:52.960 --> 1:59:54.880 to continue to love music, and it becomes now I 1:59:54.960 --> 1:59:58.960 think of music and it's like it becomes work, like 1:59:59.000 --> 2:00:01.640 I got to figure out how to do this or 2:00:01.680 --> 2:00:03.680 how she wants it to be. Like she goes to 2:00:03.760 --> 2:00:06.400 the studio and it just be care free again and 2:00:06.600 --> 2:00:09.600 just making music and singing with a hard and it 2:00:09.680 --> 2:00:11.360 ain't all this thought like you don't want to come 2:00:11.440 --> 2:00:13.440 out in the label already, like yeah, well could you 2:00:13.520 --> 2:00:16.320 think you could say this? And it's like all that. 2:00:16.640 --> 2:00:19.320 After a while, it's like I can't imagine fifteen years 2:00:19.360 --> 2:00:22.200 of somebody keeping me in a box and trying to 2:00:22.680 --> 2:00:24.800 Oh this is hot right now you should follow behind 2:00:24.880 --> 2:00:27.560 this girl. And it's like, dog, like, I just want 2:00:27.600 --> 2:00:30.000 to do my thing and turn my album in y'all, 2:00:30.040 --> 2:00:31.520 put the money behind it, go out to that, let 2:00:31.560 --> 2:00:33.280 me shoot my videos, let me go do my show. 2:00:33.440 --> 2:00:35.920 That's how. And it's like once it's done, once it's 2:00:36.040 --> 2:00:38.840 not that harmony, Like I can understand that for her 2:00:38.960 --> 2:00:40.920 doing it for so long, it's like it got to 2:00:40.960 --> 2:00:42.800 be a headache. So I get it. But I just 2:00:42.920 --> 2:00:46.280 hope that it's so point she comes back because she's incredible. 2:00:46.280 --> 2:00:48.440 You know what I'm saying, Like I spend that album 2:00:48.680 --> 2:00:50.280 before I go to sleep, you know what I'm saying. 2:00:50.480 --> 2:00:52.760 I'm still a fan, even though I my husband, you 2:00:52.800 --> 2:00:55.280 know what I'm saying. So it's like I still want 2:00:55.320 --> 2:00:57.920 her to come back. So I don't, you know what 2:00:57.960 --> 2:01:00.280 I'm saying, put too much pressure on anything. We just 2:01:00.320 --> 2:01:02.480 sort of let it happen, let the energy happen. Hope 2:01:02.520 --> 2:01:05.000 she comes back. We'll listen to the album. Hopefully we 2:01:05.120 --> 2:01:08.280 get it soon, y'all can get that. Get that hey, 2:01:08.320 --> 2:01:11.480 hopefully we see you on a basketball court again. Yeah, 2:01:11.960 --> 2:01:15.520 it's very possible. I feel like the Lakers is a 2:01:15.680 --> 2:01:18.080 very very serious candidate to bring him on Trumper back 2:01:18.080 --> 2:01:20.160 to the league. It would make sense. You have so 2:01:20.240 --> 2:01:22.360 many friends on the team. You bring a set of 2:01:22.440 --> 2:01:25.520 skills that they need. I crazy sometimes I'd be feeling 2:01:25.520 --> 2:01:26.920 like I'll be like, man, after a while, they just 2:01:26.960 --> 2:01:28.440 gonna have me sit there and they gonna want me 2:01:28.520 --> 2:01:30.920 to be an announcer of some ship, bro because I'm like, 2:01:31.040 --> 2:01:33.120 motherfucker want to talk about it with me so much? 2:01:33.200 --> 2:01:34.720 I'm like, can I put one thing into the world. 2:01:34.760 --> 2:01:36.960 I'd like to see in the next five years. I 2:01:37.080 --> 2:01:39.920 want to see you and j R. Smith do a 2:01:40.000 --> 2:01:44.120 podcast together. Oh that was gonna happen eventually anyway, not 2:01:44.240 --> 2:01:50.920 an actual like you mean like is Yeah, that'd be 2:01:51.040 --> 2:01:53.560 musty TV. I fel like if you guys were living 2:01:53.600 --> 2:01:55.120 in the same city and you guys could do a 2:01:55.160 --> 2:01:58.520 podcast once a week, once a month, switch, I ain't 2:01:58.560 --> 2:02:01.400 doing shit that is. I'm telling you that is a 2:02:01.520 --> 2:02:04.160 bag that on the Swish. I ain't doing ship. Boy, 2:02:04.320 --> 2:02:06.280 you guys been go tapping with Bill Simmons at the 2:02:06.360 --> 2:02:08.640 Ring or somebody, and they would that is That is 2:02:08.720 --> 2:02:12.920 the podcast, the Emon and the Swish podcast. Will you 2:02:12.960 --> 2:02:17.320 guys just talk ship? What I'm actually doing the podcast? 2:02:17.440 --> 2:02:21.520 My podcast is uh is coming, So that's coming. Yeah, 2:02:21.880 --> 2:02:25.560 it's with me and my brother though, okay, but me 2:02:25.640 --> 2:02:29.120 and my brother is probably uh, that's probably gonna be 2:02:29.160 --> 2:02:32.400 all best look at barbershop talk because my brother is like, 2:02:32.640 --> 2:02:36.160 he's like you, he plays the fan the fan card, 2:02:36.360 --> 2:02:39.760 but he like it's like serious. Oh yeah, it's like, no, 2:02:40.120 --> 2:02:44.720 fuck you. I am extremely invested in sports. I gamble 2:02:44.800 --> 2:02:47.040 every fucking day. I love having the league, but I 2:02:47.120 --> 2:02:49.000 love I do. I gotta say that too, because I 2:02:49.080 --> 2:02:51.480 talked about fans that go out of their way and 2:02:51.680 --> 2:02:53.920 say a lot of ship. But it's like, without these 2:02:54.040 --> 2:02:56.640 fans talking ship and creating the energy, a lot of 2:02:56.680 --> 2:03:00.680 the basketball that we play ain't the same. You need heckless, 2:03:00.800 --> 2:03:04.320 you need it, like it's all part of it. It 2:03:04.440 --> 2:03:06.800 all adds to the energy. It's all good. Like for 2:03:06.920 --> 2:03:10.360 forty eight minutes, hate me, bro, Yeah, for forty eight minutes, 2:03:10.400 --> 2:03:12.720 y'all can hate me say anything. I almost got into 2:03:12.800 --> 2:03:15.960 it last year. I almost fought one of Patrick Beverley's 2:03:16.000 --> 2:03:17.800 friends in Phoenix because I was like down in the 2:03:18.160 --> 2:03:20.920 that's not smart. Well no, I was fucking shit faced 2:03:21.200 --> 2:03:23.880 and this was this was the game. This is the 2:03:23.920 --> 2:03:26.800 game when when Patrick Beverly like cheap shot of the 2:03:26.840 --> 2:03:29.760 ship out of Chris Paul you remember, ohh And I 2:03:29.920 --> 2:03:34.280 was like, fuck Pa Beverly. Oh and I'm fucking like blackout. 2:03:34.360 --> 2:03:36.400 You know, my son's having me good in eleven years. 2:03:36.440 --> 2:03:38.400 So I'm just like excited to be at a Western 2:03:38.400 --> 2:03:41.600 Conference final game and the guy turns right and say, hey, 2:03:42.360 --> 2:03:44.920 that's my bro. Watch your mouth. And I was like, 2:03:46.040 --> 2:03:48.320 mind you. This guy's by himself. I'm in Arizona with 2:03:48.360 --> 2:03:51.280 a bunch of my essay homies. I say, hey, bro, 2:03:53.560 --> 2:03:56.839 you know where the fuck you're out. You're in fucking Phoenix. 2:03:57.160 --> 2:03:59.800 This isn't fucking La or Sugar, wherever the fuck you're from. 2:04:00.080 --> 2:04:07.200 That I was drunk. I was drunk. Thanks God, Dicey, 2:04:07.360 --> 2:04:09.280 you know what I'm saying. But hey, hey, I appreciate you. 2:04:10.600 --> 2:04:13.760 I know I was. I was feeling myself, said I was. 2:04:14.040 --> 2:04:19.280 I went for it. You want a freestyle? Are we 2:04:19.360 --> 2:04:23.520 doing a freestyle, they usually wrap, let's fucking go. Man, Hey, 2:04:23.840 --> 2:04:25.720 I did not know we were doing Yo. This is 2:04:25.760 --> 2:04:28.920 a treat. This is a treat. Let's do this. What 2:04:29.040 --> 2:04:31.840 beat you any beat you want, we'll get. You're talking 2:04:31.840 --> 2:04:36.280 about naz and Easy Essence? Which ence? Are you talking about? 2:04:36.520 --> 2:04:39.200 A whiz kid? Which kid? Okay, well listen, there is 2:04:39.200 --> 2:04:43.560 a nas and Easy record called Essence that was nominated. Yeah. 2:04:43.640 --> 2:04:47.040 Actually I'm gonna go get this two waters before you wrap, perfectly, 2:04:47.040 --> 2:04:47.360 all right,