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Speaker 1: three or four, that's it. Oh, that's terrible. I've done
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Speaker 1: I love Imon Schumpert. I've been a fan of his
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Speaker 1: his music. He just went Dancing with the Stars season
Speaker 1: thirty and by the way, he killed it like this guy.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's ever had a better performance on
Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars, So shout out to Imman. He's
Speaker 1: working on a project that's coming out called This Carrent Stolen.
Speaker 1: I happened to be a hardcore twenty sixteen Cavaliers advocate,
Speaker 1: a big, big Lebron James fan. That's kind of where
Speaker 1: I stand on the side of the all Time debate
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Speaker 1: was actually a master debate him and I had, and
Speaker 1: it was a good one. So shout out to him
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Speaker 1: Steph Currige just broke the three point record? No one
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Speaker 1: We got a special guest in here, NBA legend dancing
Speaker 1: legend now also a pretty solid MC. We got Iman
Speaker 1: Shepherd in the building. Man, welcome, what's going on both?
Speaker 1: First of all, congratulations on Dancing with the Stars. I
Speaker 1: assumed when you got on there, just knowing your background,
Speaker 1: knowing who your wife is, you had a pretty easy
Speaker 1: path to victory. I just assumed you were the betting favorite.
Speaker 1: When I saw that you were a part of the cast,
Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, there's like a mon's got to
Speaker 1: come with it because your girl, low Key's one of
Speaker 1: the hardest dancers of all time. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll take it if that's what you felt.
Speaker 1: But how like, like, oh I wish it was smooth
Speaker 1: like that? What was that like? I mean, obviously I
Speaker 1: didn't even know there was thirty seasons. I saw it
Speaker 1: was a thirty season. That's crazy. It's it's a competition show.
Speaker 1: It's not a I went it with the assumption that
Speaker 1: I was gonna go in here and have a ball
Speaker 1: and it was gonna be fun. Yeah, dancing for a
Speaker 1: couple of hours, you know what I'm saying whatever, and
Speaker 1: it's uh pretty hectic after a while. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was like I damn it, didn't want to do it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like you get like this
Speaker 1: is more work than I thought. You just get exhausted
Speaker 1: with doing every dance that you don't know, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like it's one thing to you know,
Speaker 1: be a kid and learn how to walk once. Man,
Speaker 1: But it's like if somebody tried to teach you how
Speaker 1: to walk ten different ways as a thirty year old,
Speaker 1: You're looking at them like, hey, bro, this looks better.
Speaker 1: It feels better, So I'm gonna do this, like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like that's what your mind wants
Speaker 1: to say. And it was just like all the small technicalities,
Speaker 1: it was just like to get my habits to break.
Speaker 1: It was so difficult. I didn't think it was that difficult.
Speaker 1: And I'm lucky that Danny State stayed in the practice
Speaker 1: i mean rehearsal space with me for as long as
Speaker 1: she did, because we did get a lot of practice in.
Speaker 1: But by the time we did get the trophy though,
Speaker 1: it was worth it. So it was definitely it was
Speaker 1: definitely worth it. Man, was it like a different type
Speaker 1: of challenge for you, obviously being an athlete, coming from
Speaker 1: you know, being one of the however many people are
Speaker 1: in the NBA. Was it three hundred and seventy people
Speaker 1: in the NBA something like that, one of the three
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy best athletes in the in the world
Speaker 1: when it comes to basketball to go into the dancing world, Like,
Speaker 1: how how much of a different challenge was it for you?
Speaker 1: It was a it's a big adjustment. It's uh, I say,
Speaker 1: basketball is already kind of like poetry in motion, so
Speaker 1: to speak, like you have to make smooth movements, uh,
Speaker 1: with your athleticism. And I think that was like my
Speaker 1: biggest advantage when when the weeks progressed, it was like
Speaker 1: Danny started leaning on you know what I was good at.
Speaker 1: You know, we started doing lifts, We start, uh, just
Speaker 1: doing things every week that we start calling them moments.
Speaker 1: But it was like we would have these moments that
Speaker 1: you you feel something you don't really you're not really
Speaker 1: just watching the show, just like the US thing. It
Speaker 1: was like people felt that shit, like they felt like
Speaker 1: we was really in the movie, like we was really
Speaker 1: trying to remind them of the movements and play on
Speaker 1: the tether version of ourselves. And it was like doing
Speaker 1: that I think really boosted us. But the the the
Speaker 1: adjustment from basketball to dancing, I think basketball is already
Speaker 1: pretty much like we gotta do. It's kind of like dancing,
Speaker 1: like I'm doing the wrong but like or something like that.
Speaker 1: Ain't nothing but a finish over the right right right,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. That's a finish, So that's
Speaker 1: a that's a reverse. That footwork is me getting around
Speaker 1: the screen, you know what I'm saying, Like it's similar,
Speaker 1: It's just I gotta make it fun. So I'm like
Speaker 1: running around the rehearsal space like okay, euro step here
Speaker 1: five six, seven, eight, Okay, that's you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like that's how I was remembering here telling myself basketball terminologies.
Speaker 1: As the footwork, I also feel like like just as
Speaker 1: a person, like you've always been like naturally evolved into
Speaker 1: like the space of like art in some way, whether
Speaker 1: it's being an artist or fashion. And I feel like
Speaker 1: the dancing shit, you know, like I said, it kind
Speaker 1: of goes hand in hand with all that shit, especially
Speaker 1: considering like again, Gianna is the goat, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, so it doesn't hurt, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's that's what I've been doing my whole life. If
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have went to the league, I wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: sit on my ass like I wasn't gonna be you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, if something ever went wrong with
Speaker 1: me in my life. Like you see people checking out early.
Speaker 1: It's like, if I ever checked out early, how dare
Speaker 1: I not try? You know what I'm saying, everything as
Speaker 1: far as every competition, I'm offered to be in every opportunity,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, available to take on, Like
Speaker 1: why wouldn't I take it on? Like when I got
Speaker 1: the Dancing with the Stars call, It's like, yeah, normally
Speaker 1: and then you see it. I mean, by the way
Speaker 1: Jerry Rice was on Dancing with the Stars and some
Speaker 1: of the greatest smith Yeah, Floyd was on there. That's
Speaker 1: what really threw me off. I'm like, Floyd was on there.
Speaker 1: I don't even remember that. That's crazy. Exactly thirty seasons.
Speaker 1: When I saw that, I was like, there was thirty
Speaker 1: How old am I? And it's like you go there,
Speaker 1: you're watching it, and I'm they're like, yeah, the football
Speaker 1: players usually do way better than you guys. I'm just
Speaker 1: like what other basketball players had participated in. I feel
Speaker 1: like there was Rick Fox, Lamar Oldham, Clyde Drex the Okay,
Speaker 1: I just saw Rick Fox in a movie that I
Speaker 1: didn't know he was in recently. I remember which one.
Speaker 1: I was watching, some movie from two thousands. I was like,
Speaker 1: Rick Fox, and I have to tell you this. I'm
Speaker 1: a Phoenix Suns fan, but I am also you know,
Speaker 1: the Sons have been in a dumpster fire or until
Speaker 1: you know recently, so from like uh nine until recently,
Speaker 1: just whatever team Lebron's been on has been my team,
Speaker 1: you know, outside of the Suns. You see, I got
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley up there. But uh, I haven't had more passionate,
Speaker 1: screaming conversations with other grown men about I've had more
Speaker 1: of those arguments about your Cavaliers teams with than anything
Speaker 1: else in my life. I'm talking. I've had screaming matches
Speaker 1: with grown men about the Cavaliers. Oh it's serious, Like
Speaker 1: like I'm I'm saying, like, obviously you got traded in
Speaker 1: what twenty fifteen in the middle of the season, right,
Speaker 1: or was that the Calves from the Knicks. Was that
Speaker 1: the trade that when you and gr came over. Yep, yeah,
Speaker 1: that season, right, and so I just I just want
Speaker 1: to go over that that time period, man. Now, that
Speaker 1: first year was one of the biggest what if year's
Speaker 1: ever And every time I argue with the Warriors fan,
Speaker 1: like this fucker right here, my producer, I always just
Speaker 1: think about, like that team, and we always see the
Speaker 1: meme of like what the Warriors had as their starting
Speaker 1: five and who the Cavaliers had as they're starting five
Speaker 1: because Kevin Love got injured, Kyrie was out but still
Speaker 1: took it to six games. I think it was Matthew
Speaker 1: Deladova was starting at point guard. I think were you
Speaker 1: starting at the three or the four? I think you
Speaker 1: were starting at the three. Tristan Thompson mos Golf. What
Speaker 1: do you remember about that series that you know a
Speaker 1: lot of people had said Lebron probably should have still
Speaker 1: won the finals MVP obviously Iggy ended appointing it, But
Speaker 1: that was such a hard fought series, man, Like, what
Speaker 1: was that like kind of coming from the Knicks from like,
Speaker 1: you know, a team that probably fell short of a
Speaker 1: lot of people's expectations and then just going straight to
Speaker 1: the finals that first year? What was that? What was
Speaker 1: that experience? Like, man, what do you mean, Like, what
Speaker 1: do you mean instead of going I mean, like you
Speaker 1: you get traded and then that first year you're in
Speaker 1: the finals. Oh well, make no mistake. Field traded us
Speaker 1: and wasn't supposed to trade us. Joe, we'd a big
Speaker 1: cool over there New York, Joe, like we're still with
Speaker 1: the war some ship. After while, we just wasn't together
Speaker 1: long enough. They broke us up. Phil, I don't know
Speaker 1: what you was doing, feel but that was incorrect. But
Speaker 1: we did, Phil Jackson kind of for a few years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: shout out to you for that, bro. But uh, when
Speaker 1: we got over there, like it took us. It took
Speaker 1: us just a quick second to like be able to
Speaker 1: really like go to war with each other and practice.
Speaker 1: I feel like right when we first got over there
Speaker 1: were still banged up. I was still coming off with
Speaker 1: shoulder injury. I dislocated my shoulder, hadn't been playing. So
Speaker 1: when we got traded, Uh, just jy'all was playing, but
Speaker 1: he was like nursing something as well, Like we were
Speaker 1: just coming over. Everything was just sort of random. I
Speaker 1: don't think he like did much his first game and
Speaker 1: then once we got into them practices, we had some
Speaker 1: special practices that team, Like I don't know, like before
Speaker 1: we got when we first showed up, like before I
Speaker 1: started practicing, I just remember coming in practice and being like, bro,
Speaker 1: this is too smooth, Like y'all have no beef, Like
Speaker 1: there's no hectic, there's nothing like, there's nothing to push
Speaker 1: y'all at all. And that's what me Jr. And Mazi
Speaker 1: that's what we was like, that's what we owned now
Speaker 1: because y'all got Kyrie kd lebron K Love and Bron
Speaker 1: So it's like it ain't like it's gonna be many
Speaker 1: basketballs being passed around, you know what I'm saying, too crazy,
Speaker 1: So we just sort of brought like a toughness and
Speaker 1: a swag and a fun you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like, damn near they were scared to
Speaker 1: celebrate a three pointer, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: if you watch them, they were just like regular like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: goot y'all. Yeah, it was just like great guys like yeah,
Speaker 1: no good like good play like and then when we
Speaker 1: got there, we was just like we don't do some swag.
Speaker 1: We just so like, yeah, we coming from New York,
Speaker 1: we just you know what I'm saying, Like we used
Speaker 1: to giving that Showman like our crowd like that shit.
Speaker 1: Like we like we we point at the crowd and
Speaker 1: start talking shit. New York loved that shit. I'm like,
Speaker 1: y'all just gonna have to get with it over here,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what y'all got going on, but
Speaker 1: we're not doing this quietly like that's what we brought
Speaker 1: to the team. But it was like marching through that
Speaker 1: and seeing Bron Like once we lost Kay and he
Speaker 1: halfed his knee because quiet as kept Bro when that
Speaker 1: misshot came off in Game one. If I throw that
Speaker 1: mob back in, it's a different series because kle never
Speaker 1: has his knee, you know what I'm saying, Man, Like
Speaker 1: Kyrie plays that one in the overtime. No, he did
Speaker 1: play that series, you know what I'm saying. But if
Speaker 1: he plays that full series, that's what I'm saying, he
Speaker 1: plays the full series. I think you guys went. If
Speaker 1: I hit that over and then basketball is different forever
Speaker 1: because y'all wouldn't be running around head shooting all these threes.
Speaker 1: My man wouldn't be over here shaking his head all
Speaker 1: confidently with this Golden State s. Kat probably come over
Speaker 1: there and play with us as opposed to them, because
Speaker 1: we won. You know what I'm saying. What I did,
Speaker 1: Katie would have been like they won over there, the
Speaker 1: go over here and shake with them. Me and Bron
Speaker 1: finda played together, and y'all finna be mad. But that
Speaker 1: would have ruined basketball too, So I can either way ruined. No,
Speaker 1: he didn't. It wasn't Katie. It was Broun first going
Speaker 1: to Miami. Bron knows her basketball. Let me ask you this,
Speaker 1: do you think that was I always look at the
Speaker 1: front I ruined basketball? He thought he was. He thought
Speaker 1: he was making it better. I get him. So you
Speaker 1: think Lebron ruined it for everything? He ruined the dis
Speaker 1: me personally, I love the NBA for the little tea
Speaker 1: that I thought was there. He basically knocked the fourth
Speaker 1: wall down. Like man, the owners, they ship, they bullshit
Speaker 1: and we're doing what we want. Great business move, for sure,
Speaker 1: But when you think about it outside looking in, like
Speaker 1: I got people tweeting me right now, they like literally
Speaker 1: talking about owners and trays and it's like, bro, y'all
Speaker 1: not supposed to be talking about none of them. Actually,
Speaker 1: y'all really supposed to be going super crazy if you're
Speaker 1: a businessman and you're sitting outside looking at you like damn.
Speaker 1: The fans are supposed to be worried about the game.
Speaker 1: They supposed to be talking shit like they used to be.
Speaker 1: We used to just sit there and talk shit like
Speaker 1: of course, I don't care. You're not finn I was
Speaker 1: a Bulls fan. You're not allowed to talk shit about
Speaker 1: Jude Butler. Shout out to Jedd Butchler also a great
Speaker 1: volleyball player. Everyone knows that. Like, you're not allowed to
Speaker 1: talk about Jason Caffey, none of my guys or or
Speaker 1: what was the other guy's name of Randy Brown? Randy Brown,
Speaker 1: you know, you know Randy Brown. Shout out to him.
Speaker 1: We could go down to random book Bill Whitnington. But
Speaker 1: I'm just yeah, I'm not playing about the Bulls. And
Speaker 1: it's like I feel like now because everybody's teaming up
Speaker 1: and shit, like you'll hear people like no hen Man,
Speaker 1: but they suck. You know what I'm saying. He needs
Speaker 1: to go over here, he needs to get traded. I'll
Speaker 1: be listening to this shit, like, bro, I'm like, do
Speaker 1: y'all realize that the players that y'all just willing to
Speaker 1: just if they don't win this year, Like y'all, he
Speaker 1: get traded there and he can't win this year, and
Speaker 1: now y'all just done. I'm like, bro, these two, these
Speaker 1: two playing styles, is gonna take at least three years
Speaker 1: to figure each other out before y'all even got a shot.
Speaker 1: Y'all big and y'all small gonna have to play together
Speaker 1: for a little while. Become like an arms race though, right,
Speaker 1: it's like very much like you gotta happen fast. It
Speaker 1: has to happen immediately or else it's like everybody under
Speaker 1: the Yeah, everybody's tweaking, and it'll be like, Bro, they
Speaker 1: lost three games, like Bro, chill out eighty two games.
Speaker 1: Somebody lose three, they start caring about what the man
Speaker 1: wearing is he come in like it's just all type
Speaker 1: of frantic And I feel like all the franticness happened
Speaker 1: when bron went to Miami. That's when every thing became
Speaker 1: so critical. I guess I agree with you in that
Speaker 1: aspect that things changed as far as people. Oh no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the development of the game. If
Speaker 1: you watch people how they score in the day. That
Speaker 1: I just mean, like the way the fans perceived the game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they look at it like it don't mean much, because
Speaker 1: I always look at the first super team from that
Speaker 1: era being when Ray Allen and KG went to the
Speaker 1: Celtics and won that first year. But that's not that's
Speaker 1: not Lebron James. It's still not Lebron James or Dwayne
Speaker 1: Wade for that matter, like y'all got to do because
Speaker 1: that was even like kind of end of KG peak,
Speaker 1: still peak KG, but kind of towards the end, you know, Peak,
Speaker 1: d Wade, Peak, Lebron, Pete, Chris Bosh. I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess I get it, but no, you don't get it.
Speaker 1: Nobody gets it. I hear Richard's I think that it changed.
Speaker 1: I think when Lebron went to the Heat, it definitely
Speaker 1: changed supposed to do that. The way fans looked at
Speaker 1: the way, they really start looking at it like it
Speaker 1: just don't mean nothing, Like loyal c means nothing. So
Speaker 1: when you talked about the Knicks earlier and how Phil
Speaker 1: because everyone's ruined it. Phil was as great of a
Speaker 1: coach as he was, was probably one of the worst
Speaker 1: basketball people. But it's because basketball is in this hot
Speaker 1: seat mode. So if we're not winning and he on
Speaker 1: the hot seat, he thinking, oh I gotta shift it
Speaker 1: and I gotta do this, and it's like, goofy, No,
Speaker 1: you wasn't you. You ain't Like you got drafted in
Speaker 1: twenty eleven, which was a crazy draft. That was Kyrie Kawhi,
Speaker 1: a lot of players in the War, Jimmy Butler, Kimba Twins, Kimball, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Mores. Yeah, Burks is a great player. Uh was
Speaker 1: in that draft? What else? That's a hell of a draft.
Speaker 1: Jimmer shout out to jimmer Man he should have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but no, when you go to the Knicks, mellows there
Speaker 1: you got a great young nucleus yourself, j R. Smith,
Speaker 1: he just took too long. Took to long win Man.
Speaker 1: Amari had signed in what twenty ten, So by the
Speaker 1: time you got it, because a Mari that first year
Speaker 1: with the Knicks really had like an MVP type season.
Speaker 1: But then I think after that the injuries kind of
Speaker 1: caught up to him. But do you think that that's
Speaker 1: what happened with the Knicks? Like, had you guys stuck
Speaker 1: around and jailed a little bit longer, Like I felt
Speaker 1: like when we after we went to this to the
Speaker 1: second round and lost to Indy, which we shouldn't have
Speaker 1: lost it, I feel like I'll keep my commence with
Speaker 1: myself on that. But that's that's what. That's the Paul George, Roy,
Speaker 1: Herbert Land Stevenson team. Yeah, keep my comments myself, don't
Speaker 1: keep it. Get should have won, We should have won. Okay,
Speaker 1: how many games? How many games of that series? Got six?
Speaker 1: Should have won. And coming off of that, I'll never
Speaker 1: forget working out doing all this other stuff and were
Speaker 1: getting ready to report back. Novak gets traded, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck? Once Novak got traded, it was just
Speaker 1: like what are we doing? Like why do y'all continue
Speaker 1: to it was like it just seemed like we're just
Speaker 1: doing stuff to our team to just just to do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because Novak was like id role player. But it was
Speaker 1: perfect for our ball club, right, like a perfect fit. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I could drive right whenever I want because nobody's gonna
Speaker 1: help off. No back, right, I'm gonna dunk this. Anybody
Speaker 1: got an issue with it, bring your man over here.
Speaker 1: No back that counts for three? Need a count by two,
Speaker 1: a count by three. If that's how I picks, but
Speaker 1: we all knew each other. We had a vibe of
Speaker 1: energy together and then it was like, yeah, no, bag's gone,
Speaker 1: meet Andre Bignani and it was like now we and
Speaker 1: we got Drea just in an uncomfortable position because he like,
Speaker 1: if he don't jail, now it's like what we trade
Speaker 1: for you, you know what I'm saying. So now it's
Speaker 1: like a weird energy on him, but it's really because
Speaker 1: we just miss our adults. Also to Bianni was like
Speaker 1: in a weird position too, because that was like if
Speaker 1: he did if it didn't work for him, there he's
Speaker 1: definitely a bust, like you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: then he was you know what I'm saying, nervous with
Speaker 1: the injury stuff. Its just it was just a lot
Speaker 1: happening that It was just like, Bro, we had a
Speaker 1: nice thing going and I understand why I got tampered with,
Speaker 1: But who am I? Bro? How I'm trying to you?
Speaker 1: You were there during the insanity shit? Right? What was
Speaker 1: because I feel like that was like a really one
Speaker 1: of the more awesome random things that have happened like
Speaker 1: in basketball in a long time, where you like, think
Speaker 1: of this guy who just he went to Harvard, Right,
Speaker 1: he went to like like an ivy league school. I
Speaker 1: think he went to Harvard. He went to one of
Speaker 1: those Harbor or yeah, he went to Harvard Man and
Speaker 1: Tarbor or is it hot Shaman went to Harvard to No, no, no,
Speaker 1: Landry Fields. Oh Landry Fields. Huh? Which Dall State? She said,
Speaker 1: Landry Fields. No he didn't. I don't know. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: obviously Mellow's out when the insanity thing, you know, gets crazy,
Speaker 1: he comes back. Was there like a weird dynamic within
Speaker 1: the team when Mellow came back, like with the insanity
Speaker 1: shit just kind of starting to tail off? What you mean?
Speaker 1: Was it a weird way because obviously when that when
Speaker 1: that started, like Mellow was out with was out with
Speaker 1: an injury, right, yeah, he pulled his growing though it
Speaker 1: was like a week. It was a week, Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: I just remember that, like like if you watch the
Speaker 1: sports shows. But that's what I'm saying about the sports show.
Speaker 1: It's like you got the media now doing all that.
Speaker 1: It's like, I guess that's what I'm asking. Was there
Speaker 1: a weird energy when Mellow came back? Or was it
Speaker 1: Mellow as happy as hell and he was super happy
Speaker 1: that he like, Bro, I can finally rest y'all win it.
Speaker 1: Mellow wasn't even healthy when he first came because it
Speaker 1: was a lockout year. So it's like when Mellow got hurt,
Speaker 1: it was like he putting this on his back stat
Speaker 1: in and out the lineup. Mello really got us on
Speaker 1: his back playing forty minutes in November, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying to where it's like I didn't understand it
Speaker 1: back then. But it's like, Bro, the Vets ain't supposed
Speaker 1: to be that heavy on they knees right now. We're
Speaker 1: supposed to wait till we get to the meat and
Speaker 1: potatoes of the season. But you think that's that's what
Speaker 1: everyone would always get on the bron about that, Like
Speaker 1: in the beginning of the season he might take some
Speaker 1: possessions off or he might you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 1: but it's like, yo, it's the end of the season
Speaker 1: is what matters, right, especially if you're a Shmello was
Speaker 1: dealing with that type stuff and then he set out
Speaker 1: and he was happy because he actually got some rests.
Speaker 1: He actually had some real like when he came back.
Speaker 1: The issue is never with uh jay Len. He was
Speaker 1: bumping hands with Dan Tony. The style that Jaylen needed
Speaker 1: was basically putting Mellow in a messed up spot because
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm kind of you're putting us in something
Speaker 1: that I'm sort of like ruining his possessions at time
Speaker 1: because you know what I'm saying, We're playing two totally
Speaker 1: different games, but you're trying to put us on the
Speaker 1: court at the same time. Like's not it's not working out.
Speaker 1: Like Mello's thing was when that man come in when
Speaker 1: we need him to for a stretch to do X,
Speaker 1: Y and Z, let's run that offense this way right
Speaker 1: and then give me a break right here, and then
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And it was like they
Speaker 1: just weren't. I don't know if Mello seemed to controller
Speaker 1: because Mellow usually don't say much to a coach, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, But Yeahda and Tony from what
Speaker 1: I understand, like you know again, I'm a Suns fan,
Speaker 1: so seven seconds or less era, you know exactly, which
Speaker 1: is why it was like Mello understood, like this is
Speaker 1: what you like, like Jaylen come in quick decisions happen
Speaker 1: in wooh wooh. But he's like, gee, I'm just not
Speaker 1: You're not that nugget. Yeah, I'm not Carmelo from the
Speaker 1: Nuggets that's trying to one foot on the breakaway all
Speaker 1: day long. Like he's like just a lockout year. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Let me pick my spots, getting
Speaker 1: my rhythm so that when we do into the playoffs,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go. Like he like I gotta be
Speaker 1: in my bag and he like we're not playing at
Speaker 1: this tempo during the playoffs. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like that's how you felt. That makes like when they
Speaker 1: when they start bumping heads, it was like, yeah, media
Speaker 1: is going crazy. Everybody's tweaking all we need to make
Speaker 1: all these changes and shit, and it's like in all actuality, Bro,
Speaker 1: were playing a game like every other day. Me and
Speaker 1: jay Len don't know shit. We just winging it. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I'm like, Bro, I had a
Speaker 1: good rookie season strictly based off me loving basketball and
Speaker 1: just being like fuck the other side. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, that's the only reason because you finished
Speaker 1: like I think top five and Rookie of the Year voting, right,
Speaker 1: I just tore my knee up. If I would have
Speaker 1: tore my knee up and had I wouldn't have toren
Speaker 1: my knee up and had a good playoff stint, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would have felt way better going in my second year.
Speaker 1: But it was like literally every year in the summer,
Speaker 1: I had to get some sort of surgery. We always
Speaker 1: think I took. I think I took. I had two
Speaker 1: years in the league where I didn't get a surgery
Speaker 1: and something. Yeah, you had a lot of I feel
Speaker 1: like injuries were always kind of like a thing that
Speaker 1: plagued you throughout your you know your you know, they
Speaker 1: ain't play me. That's just that's just basketball, right, Well,
Speaker 1: it ain't basketball because they don't do it. That's like
Speaker 1: how I got paid, because it's like for some reason
Speaker 1: they act like they can't run through a screen and
Speaker 1: deal with whatever come with it. And it was like
Speaker 1: I never really cared. I'm like, charge it to the game, bro,
Speaker 1: that's war, you know what I'm saying. Like that's how
Speaker 1: I be feeling about it, Like yeah, I'm limping the
Speaker 1: next day and shit, but it's just like charge it, bro,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I'll just be looking around
Speaker 1: the league and seeing like when guys die on screens
Speaker 1: or they chasing the guy down. It's like, Bro, you
Speaker 1: know you're supposed to dive on that, but they just
Speaker 1: don't want to do it, just in case they was
Speaker 1: to get hurt, because they can in the game they could.
Speaker 1: I done seen minds that in the game they could remember,
Speaker 1: like I don't do that, you can get hurt. Got
Speaker 1: to finish with fifteen points, and I'm like, Bro, I
Speaker 1: can't remember that in the game. I have no clue
Speaker 1: how many points I have. No, I don't care. Like
Speaker 1: the ball laying there, I'm not trying to I'm diving
Speaker 1: on it, and I'd love for us to run into
Speaker 1: each other. So you're seeing that's like a conscious thing
Speaker 1: that players will. It's a lot of recognize, Hey, look,
Speaker 1: we don't go after these kind of balls because it
Speaker 1: can suck up the bag. I've had guys tell me, emon,
Speaker 1: stop doing that. Why are you going? Why are you
Speaker 1: doing that? Like what are you doing? I'm like, Bro,
Speaker 1: it's a loose ball. They like, damn, you have no
Speaker 1: chance at that rock. I'm like, Bro. In the middle
Speaker 1: of the game though, like you know, like in the championship,
Speaker 1: you're gonna go for it too, you know what. I'm
Speaker 1: saying it's like, gee, I think I could get to that,
Speaker 1: Like that's how I be feeling. I think I could
Speaker 1: get to it. Like so I'm gonna try. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I'm a fuck it And I think
Speaker 1: a lot of times like yeah, I would get hurt
Speaker 1: and they'll literally be like, Bro, just shit your ass down,
Speaker 1: like you ain't even have to do that, like you
Speaker 1: ran through that screen. Now you sitting out for two games,
Speaker 1: Like why do you keep doing that? And I'm just
Speaker 1: like gee, Like sometimes I be feeling like this is
Speaker 1: the three that's gonna decide the game. Like I don't
Speaker 1: know why I'm like that, but I just am like, Bro,
Speaker 1: he can't have it. I don't want him to have it,
Speaker 1: or it'd be some ship. Whereas like like when I
Speaker 1: messed my wrist up literally just getting ready for the
Speaker 1: season and I'm dunking too hard, but it's like, Bro,
Speaker 1: I want it bad, like I want it real bad.
Speaker 1: I can't. I don't have that presence of mind to
Speaker 1: be like, all lay this up because you could mess
Speaker 1: your wrists up on the rim. It's like, Bro, doundunked
Speaker 1: this a million times as hard as I could and
Speaker 1: never messed up my wrist today, I messed up my wrists.
Speaker 1: Like that's crazy, man, Little stuff like that. But that's
Speaker 1: you got to charge it to the game. Man. Life
Speaker 1: ain't so. But I feel like you had a great
Speaker 1: career though. I mean, obviously, I feel like when we
Speaker 1: look back at, you know, at least my favorite memories
Speaker 1: in basketball the last decade, you're a part of those.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm part of a lot of history now, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: a lot of history. Whether they let me back in
Speaker 1: or not, I'm part of what was there? Was there
Speaker 1: like any sort of serious like, I mean, obviously it's basketball,
Speaker 1: so I'm using the word hatred sports hatred, But was
Speaker 1: it like what was like the disdain you guys had
Speaker 1: for the Warriors during those years? Yeah, we ain't fuck
Speaker 1: with them. I ain't like them. I'm a huge fan
Speaker 1: and of all of them. Now though it's crazy, even
Speaker 1: even like down to Draymond, Like we had this thing.
Speaker 1: It's like you hate to play against Draymond, but like
Speaker 1: it's really hard not to like dude speak with his chest,
Speaker 1: say what he feel, passionate about the game, he come
Speaker 1: on the court, not to like you, like he's the
Speaker 1: kind of guy who you hate, but you would love
Speaker 1: if he was. If he was that team, we're gonna
Speaker 1: be the best of friends. But it's like he want
Speaker 1: to go to war. He don't want to play. Like
Speaker 1: he's one of the guys that's like helping basketball. He's
Speaker 1: doing what I like. Like he one of those guys.
Speaker 1: He's a blend guy, a glue guy. Like you need
Speaker 1: him around, you know what I'm saying, You need his
Speaker 1: voice around his whatever. Like Clay another guy keep his
Speaker 1: head down, he gonna shoot it. I loved playing against
Speaker 1: Clay because Clay is one of the only people like
Speaker 1: I done got in my battles with Kyle kor JJ Reddick,
Speaker 1: all of them push off, get mad. I'm all over
Speaker 1: roughing them up, talking shit to him. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Klay Thompson does not complain the refs like
Speaker 1: he's not gonna do the oh ref look at him.
Speaker 1: He God, man, you gravitate Klay Thompson. You holding him?
Speaker 1: That man goes chop your wrists down so fast. And
Speaker 1: I was like, bro, I love this young light skiing brother. Man.
Speaker 1: This dude don't care. Man, he willing to fight me.
Speaker 1: Like That's how I felt about Clay. I'm like, Clay
Speaker 1: is willing to fight me, bro, just to get off
Speaker 1: this screen. He doesn't care. He looked dead at the
Speaker 1: ref and pushed me off, like hands to my neck push,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fall back like this they call the offensive
Speaker 1: foul and Clay just ran down the court like he
Speaker 1: didn't give a fuck, like and I was like, I
Speaker 1: love these dudes. I just hate him for now. I
Speaker 1: hate them. Yeah, it felt like cause you got to
Speaker 1: keep seeing them, and it felt like a serious like,
Speaker 1: I mean, one of the more I feel like the
Speaker 1: probably the most serious basketball beef, beef that we've seen
Speaker 1: since the nineties. It was two different styles, and we
Speaker 1: kind of knew. We all knew, like, whoever wins the
Speaker 1: most of this this little war we got going on,
Speaker 1: whoever wins the most chips? Basketball is headed in that style.
Speaker 1: That's what was scary about. Like we knew it meant
Speaker 1: more because we like, bro, like the kids are gonna
Speaker 1: either continue to go to the post and want to
Speaker 1: shoot fadeaways or they gonna think this shit, Okay just
Speaker 1: shooting this ship from half court. Ship like we was talking, No,
Speaker 1: we've been talking about this ship, Like I remember me
Speaker 1: and Switch like, man, you want to shoot that ship
Speaker 1: from forty, Let him shoot that ship from forty. Fuck him?
Speaker 1: Like that's the conversation me. And so I'm gonna come, hey, switchman,
Speaker 1: fucking you wanna shoot that ship from forty. Let him
Speaker 1: shoot that ship from forty. Dogs shoot that all night, nigga,
Speaker 1: Like that's what we That's how I'm feeling when I'm
Speaker 1: really on the court, like a let him, bro, I
Speaker 1: wish you would pull pull pull that, bro, please for
Speaker 1: we go. It is down y'all throat, like, please shoot that.
Speaker 1: That's how we felt about it till this little motherfucker
Speaker 1: started making it. Yeah, but it's like once he started
Speaker 1: making it now t Lou looking at us at the
Speaker 1: drawing board like, hey, y'all gonna get out there, show
Speaker 1: what we gonna do. You shocked you shocked him making
Speaker 1: it now like it got to that point, It's like, Bro,
Speaker 1: when I think about it now, I'm just like, Bro,
Speaker 1: I don't I keep saying basketball changed, like they ruined
Speaker 1: it type of thing, But I'm like, you ruined the
Speaker 1: version that I like. I just feel like it's just
Speaker 1: it's just a version. I like when you really when
Speaker 1: you really think about it, pound for pound, how basketball
Speaker 1: it is today. It's scary how good they are. This
Speaker 1: is true. I feel like there's more good players now
Speaker 1: than ever as far as like skilled, skilled or just
Speaker 1: like skilled. Basically literally weeded out the other stuff, like
Speaker 1: the blended stuff. If you think about some of the
Speaker 1: guys that used to make All Star teams, there was
Speaker 1: guys that used to make All Star teams in the
Speaker 1: nineties that you like, you would like look back at
Speaker 1: some of the All Star rosters in like the early nineties,
Speaker 1: and you'd be like, yo, he made an All Star team.
Speaker 1: Like now it's like the people who are wait, what
Speaker 1: are you talking about? I mean like sometimes you like
Speaker 1: like like like I'm not talking about I'm some about
Speaker 1: like early nineties, like I think I saw Terry Cummings
Speaker 1: is on an All Star team. There's there's just players
Speaker 1: that you think, like, now you can make an All
Speaker 1: Star team out of like the top fifteen guys that
Speaker 1: didn't make the All Star team. And I feel like
Speaker 1: you understand what I'm saying, copy copy copy, Like now
Speaker 1: it's like the the the guys who aren't making All
Speaker 1: Star teams would have been like you can put a team, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like insane. Like basketball has changed from like it's
Speaker 1: not so much that chessboard anymore. It's checkers. It's not
Speaker 1: Great Popovich anymore. It's not chess, it's checkers. It's checkers.
Speaker 1: It's king me. This is the most arms race. It's
Speaker 1: kingsme like, but it's it's the reason why I say
Speaker 1: that is because there's literally no thought involved. Like Damian
Speaker 1: Lillard is gonna come down here full speed and jump
Speaker 1: and just shoot. Yeah, he's gonna shoot a forty foot
Speaker 1: If you step up, that means he's going to the
Speaker 1: basket all the way to the basket. But this is
Speaker 1: not a foot race. Immediately if he can't get it,
Speaker 1: it's to CJ. And it's the same thing, immediate action.
Speaker 1: Like I think that the if you go look at
Speaker 1: older games. You go watch the game in the eighties,
Speaker 1: they sprint the ball up the sideline, they throw the
Speaker 1: ball to the corner of the flatt and the defense,
Speaker 1: they throw it back up and then they throw it
Speaker 1: into the post. You go to the nineties, they took
Speaker 1: that same formula, except they threw a shooter into the
Speaker 1: corner and then tossed it straight down to the post
Speaker 1: and the post. Didn't have to be a big man.
Speaker 1: But it's all to fuck up the rotations of the defense.
Speaker 1: Now the fuck up is they bringing a ball screen.
Speaker 1: They're not even going to the corner of the flat
Speaker 1: and the defense or throw it in. They're keeping you
Speaker 1: way out. So it's like when the game changing dynamic
Speaker 1: like that, when you're watching this shit, I don't know
Speaker 1: how other people process it, but like I didn't have
Speaker 1: to sit there and like watch you know, I played.
Speaker 1: I gotta play to whoever the best player is. So
Speaker 1: I get a lot of this watching how they coming
Speaker 1: down and being like, bro, their point of attack. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you were kind of the guy who defended the best
Speaker 1: player on the other kind to deal with that, right,
Speaker 1: that was what you So I'm looking at every scheme
Speaker 1: like I'm like, bro, like I've literally made it to
Speaker 1: Like you got to think my first year in the league,
Speaker 1: I had to guard all those in game possessions, so
Speaker 1: I'm used to at the end of the game, I'm
Speaker 1: about to have to go to the posts and deal
Speaker 1: with so much contact and drops and back doors and
Speaker 1: shit that I got to deal with in this mold.
Speaker 1: And it was like also when you got drafted that
Speaker 1: wasn't the best, Like, you're probably the best defensive life
Speaker 1: at least one of the best defensive players on that
Speaker 1: next team, like not don lot of yourself. I was
Speaker 1: the best defensive player. I mean, listen, I don't want
Speaker 1: to Tamates. No, you could do it. They were, They
Speaker 1: were great on I mean, you know you can do
Speaker 1: it if you want to. Nobody at the end of
Speaker 1: the game when it go down, you had to pick
Speaker 1: up a lot of slack, is what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: mean I had to pick up slack. It just it's
Speaker 1: one of them moves, like when you get to the
Speaker 1: NBA you start realizing he's grown ass men. This ain't
Speaker 1: oh man Melo doesn't know how to guard people? Is nah,
Speaker 1: fan Emon, you guard him? I'm finished score forty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's this grown man ship. This is JR. Literally all
Speaker 1: come out there and be like tape, I don't look
Speaker 1: handle that. I'm not chasing him. I don't care what
Speaker 1: the I don't care what the the plays is, you
Speaker 1: know the assignments, and I don't care. You tired, look
Speaker 1: guard him. I'm tired. I don't feel like guarding. That's
Speaker 1: what JR say and the like all right, cool, that
Speaker 1: was my job, Like what you tired? But Stat died
Speaker 1: on the screen and I had to guard the four man.
Speaker 1: That's when they first realized I started doing the strip.
Speaker 1: He was down a lot of screens. But that's when
Speaker 1: they As a Suns fan, one of the more frustrating
Speaker 1: guys to love is But that's why a T shirt
Speaker 1: right now, That's why I come in. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I come That's why they like flaying with me though,
Speaker 1: because it was like how he didn't average more rebounds.
Speaker 1: It was just the most frustrating shit ever as a fan.
Speaker 1: What all time with the Sons? Yeah, I'm like, bro,
Speaker 1: you should have had twelve twelve games, you gotta miss
Speaker 1: eight nine. Y'all wasn't missing much so he ain't got
Speaker 1: no offensive rebounds, all defensive rebounds. Let me ask you
Speaker 1: about this. It's crazy. People really don't be thinking it through, Like,
Speaker 1: think about it. Stat would have had fifteen to twenty
Speaker 1: rebounds a game, but Steve Nash had them winning and scoring.
Speaker 1: That bitch that was offensively. The defensively, yeah, he go
Speaker 1: corral some rebounds offensively, ain't no tapping it back in nothing,
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Speaker 1: I feel like Kyrie cooke Steph in the most important
Speaker 1: moment in those series, did you guys look at him
Speaker 1: as like a like like, Yo, this is a target
Speaker 1: we gotta get Kyrie switched on to Steph? Like was
Speaker 1: Kyrie like always, Like wasn't a secret because I remember
Speaker 1: when Kyrie got like that last shot that in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: Like when Kyrie had step switched on to him, he
Speaker 1: had that look in his eyes like this is oh
Speaker 1: we was talking shit. Uh those was one of that
Speaker 1: time that we had for that was Uh, I can't
Speaker 1: remember what game it was. Kyle came off a screen
Speaker 1: and Steph didn't even try and Kyle, I believe he
Speaker 1: came he rescreened it because it was like a dummy
Speaker 1: screen and he re screened it, which Steph's supposed to
Speaker 1: immediately fight to switch back. And I'll never forget Steph
Speaker 1: going with the roller like he like made it his
Speaker 1: business that he was not guarding ky and we all
Speaker 1: kind of like looked around like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like what is what scheme is that? What are they doing?
Speaker 1: So broun Bron never lets you off the hook. If
Speaker 1: he sees something, he's gonna exploit it. I want to say.
Speaker 1: We did the same play the next time. They switched again,
Speaker 1: and then bron called the next time out and basically
Speaker 1: told t Lou all bets off. He has to guard him,
Speaker 1: he don't want to guard him. Well, by the end
Speaker 1: of that game, you could watch stuff on the screen
Speaker 1: like like like it was I have never seen that.
Speaker 1: I have never seen. Yeah, he didn't. He didn't draw
Speaker 1: the line until like game six. Game six, he drew
Speaker 1: the line. He was like, y'all not finna. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: started like slapping the floor type ship like nah, fuck
Speaker 1: that come on, Like now, y'all just disrespected me, like
Speaker 1: y'all not finna pick on me like a little kid.
Speaker 1: But for a second though, it was like because I
Speaker 1: had never seen somebody do that unless it's like you
Speaker 1: got five foules and you can't touch somebody, Like that's
Speaker 1: one thing. Yeah, that's one thing. You're protecting yourself. So
Speaker 1: they had like two fouls and he's just like the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter and he like, yo, somebody come get you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like you could tell he just
Speaker 1: was like, man, bro, I don't know what to do
Speaker 1: with him and we need to stop right now. So
Speaker 1: he just wanted somebody else on him. But then when
Speaker 1: we start picking on him, like you, he starts seeing
Speaker 1: like every thing is for like either your guarding Kyrie
Speaker 1: or you're guarding Lebron this play, but you're gonna play defense.
Speaker 1: You're not. You're not gonna have no legs for the
Speaker 1: rest of this series. That's what we was on. And
Speaker 1: then with Clay, it was just like I was just
Speaker 1: trying to beat him up as best I could. Yeah, Clay,
Speaker 1: get you gotta do what you can do, right man.
Speaker 1: It was like we just gonna keep on pressing at
Speaker 1: Clay and keep on doing as much sprinting sidelines as
Speaker 1: we can to keep him dealing with back doors and
Speaker 1: happen to stay disciplined. And then with Steph Curry, You're
Speaker 1: now gonna guard Lebron like you're gonna use your turbo
Speaker 1: every possession on defense. What do you think is the
Speaker 1: biggest misconception about Lebron James For someone who's been in
Speaker 1: the trenches with him, he's my favorite player ever, so,
Speaker 1: like you know, I kind of feel like he gets
Speaker 1: a lot of He lost in the finals. That's that's
Speaker 1: why people have that stigma of him. He is undeniably
Speaker 1: like when you on paper, this is the best athlete.
Speaker 1: I don't think we've seen a better one that can
Speaker 1: speak in public. Uh, be great with his family, give
Speaker 1: us a great you know what I'm saying. Like performance
Speaker 1: every night in a bullshit. He's not gonna get drunk
Speaker 1: to night before and have a terrible game or something.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna give us a some like dirty plays.
Speaker 1: Like the worst thing we had against Lebron was like, Bro,
Speaker 1: why are you flopping? And literally he started flopping because
Speaker 1: he's like, Bro, I gotta get these free throws. If
Speaker 1: these people getting free throws. Like he's like, bro, I'm
Speaker 1: really getting hit. So he like, I'll sell it for
Speaker 1: you since they can't see it. Because I'm so strong,
Speaker 1: y'all can't see me getting foul, So I gotta go
Speaker 1: like this to show y'all he just raked my arm.
Speaker 1: But it's like, besides that, bro Bron has gone out
Speaker 1: here every night and played hard. Of course he gonna
Speaker 1: have his times. He take off a day or two whatever,
Speaker 1: I get it. You get tired. But I don't know
Speaker 1: who's been more faithful to their just being disciplined into
Speaker 1: the game, like Ron knows every scheme, knows every coach,
Speaker 1: knows every player, he knows players in college. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, when we're talking about shit like this,
Speaker 1: He's put together an amazing body of work. I'd say
Speaker 1: the misconception with him is that them losses came from
Speaker 1: a lack of what he's capable of, and it's not.
Speaker 1: It's I think his losses is just his style. That's
Speaker 1: just how it goes because Bron plays it the right way.
Speaker 1: At the end of the game, when Mike says, I
Speaker 1: don't give a fuck what happens, I'm shooting this shot,
Speaker 1: Bron says, I'm gonna get to this spot and shoot.
Speaker 1: But if I get here and any one of them
Speaker 1: is flinching off of their man, I'm beaming it to
Speaker 1: that man and he'll be And to be fair, I mean, look, Mike,
Speaker 1: also John Paxton and Steve Kerr, and you know, there's
Speaker 1: there was times where he did the same thing. So
Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna say, did you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying that there was no. No, there was times
Speaker 1: where he also, you know, at the end of very
Speaker 1: important games, found the open man talking about Steve Kurr,
Speaker 1: John Paxson, you know, those those But I think I
Speaker 1: also I think of the luck of the draw to
Speaker 1: like if you just think of like what Lebron had
Speaker 1: to go through all those years, because I always hear
Speaker 1: people say, well, the East was like a cakewalk, right like,
Speaker 1: and I disagree as far as you know, your guys's
Speaker 1: passed to the finals those years, it was just we
Speaker 1: was just a We was a juggernaut team. So it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it looked like the East was like that because we
Speaker 1: was running through it. The East wasn't easier. But I
Speaker 1: just think like just the Warriors before the Warriors became
Speaker 1: the LIT team, It's not even I think like the
Speaker 1: Warriors had to go get Kevin Durant to fuck with
Speaker 1: y'all for sure, period because well no, they didn't have to.
Speaker 1: They didn't have to because they needed it to like
Speaker 1: to feel superior. Yes, And to me, that is like, yo,
Speaker 1: like you you know, I think the twenty sixteen Ring
Speaker 1: is probably the hardest ring I've ever seen one. It's
Speaker 1: probably the most meaningful championship at least in my lifetime. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm being honest. I mean, you guys beat the seventy
Speaker 1: three and nine Warriors don't and no one ever even
Speaker 1: gives like that regular season it means shit because they
Speaker 1: didn't win the ring. This is true, and I almost
Speaker 1: feel like the two rings after that, like what did
Speaker 1: you want? Like, I mean that was four All Stars
Speaker 1: starting on the other side of that. I mean, but
Speaker 1: you I remember at one point people were saying Steph
Speaker 1: was gonna be out the league, like he had bad ankles.
Speaker 1: I remember early on, Yeah, they was talking about this
Speaker 1: man when he was winning all this shit. He was MVP.
Speaker 1: That man was on a forty million dollar contract. Bro,
Speaker 1: it's crazy they was done with him and this is
Speaker 1: the ship that be, Like this is why I got
Speaker 1: over them all playing together because I'm like, bro, no bullshit.
Speaker 1: I remember when they used to talk shit about Steph
Speaker 1: Curry and Glay Thompson. Well, those guys, the core group
Speaker 1: they all drafted, which is the one thing I can
Speaker 1: never take away from the words I'm saying. It's hard
Speaker 1: to say they got four All Stars. They just it's
Speaker 1: just the KD shit. Man. They was just whooping ass
Speaker 1: like and became all start like Draymond Green was one
Speaker 1: of them guys that people quote unquote say isn't an
Speaker 1: All Star, but it's like, bro, he mean that much
Speaker 1: to them. Like we knew in game five when that
Speaker 1: man didn't play, we saw how different they was. I'm like, bro,
Speaker 1: no it wasn't game five, game six. If he plays
Speaker 1: game six, do you guys think you still win the ring?
Speaker 1: It'd be tough. They're a different ball club. When they
Speaker 1: were there, was like it was like no bulls. It
Speaker 1: was like coming up to the park and beating up
Speaker 1: on some kids and they big brother just ain't there
Speaker 1: right now. That's what it felt like. It felt like
Speaker 1: we just came up to the park and bust y'all last,
Speaker 1: and y'all big homie wasn't here, and we beat y'all last,
Speaker 1: Like we just beat y'all lass. Y'all ain't doing shit
Speaker 1: about it, y'all. Now y'all calling dude, he got to
Speaker 1: come back up to the park this next game. We
Speaker 1: just hated the war bro that I haven't and then
Speaker 1: we were game six, Like you saw the like concern
Speaker 1: in their face. They was like, man, we do not
Speaker 1: want to go back to go to state dealing with
Speaker 1: these people, because now they were just looking like they
Speaker 1: was just defeated and now they look like blood thirsty
Speaker 1: for a win, like they kind of felt the energy.
Speaker 1: But the cool thing about that whole ship, like I
Speaker 1: don't think we would have known that, Like Draymond, what
Speaker 1: do you do? Hit bron and the ball? Yeah, he
Speaker 1: kept flinging his leg like it's crazy. Everything happen for
Speaker 1: a reason because it's like Bro, we would have never
Speaker 1: picked out how important Draymond was. Well. Also, if we
Speaker 1: that if we do the what if game, Kyrie is
Speaker 1: healthy in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, you guys probably have
Speaker 1: that ring as well if we're playing the what if game?
Speaker 1: And then KD would have came to the cast. Oh,
Speaker 1: shout out to Kevin Durant. I met him with I
Speaker 1: got listen. I got a shout out to Katie because
Speaker 1: I have been a KD at a certain point in time.
Speaker 1: Was I really liked the Thunder when they were young,
Speaker 1: and then I was as a fan his fan hate.
Speaker 1: I definitely had a lot of fan hate for him
Speaker 1: when he went to the Warriors and me and Freddy
Speaker 1: Gibbs went over to his crib last year and he
Speaker 1: was the nicest dude ever. And I had a Rex
Speaker 1: Chapman throwback Sun's jersey and we talked about my d
Speaker 1: He was just the nicest dude. So I had to
Speaker 1: call my homies and be like, Yo, Mank's not sensitive?
Speaker 1: Are we sure he's got the burner? He might be
Speaker 1: sensitive to the general public and ship? Right, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I ain't got nothing to do with that.
Speaker 1: I'm not general Pop. You feel I'm not Jim Pop.
Speaker 1: I ain't got nothing to do with that. Like, if
Speaker 1: you want to be awkward over Twitter and you got
Speaker 1: fence to, you know, I just found out what fence
Speaker 1: to is, Joe. I thought it was a different app.
Speaker 1: Is you having a fake Instagram? It's what Katie had.
Speaker 1: It's a burner account, but it's on Instagram. I know that.
Speaker 1: But it's like a whole world of people that got
Speaker 1: this ship. I bet I'm thinking that it's a whole
Speaker 1: what's the thing. Yeah, this is like a real society
Speaker 1: people have instance like it's a real secret society that whatever.
Speaker 1: But it's like if you if you do that whatever.
Speaker 1: I mean, when I'm when I'm around Kto, like well,
Speaker 1: like I said, I met him, I kicked it with
Speaker 1: him as crabby as super nice dude. But but he's
Speaker 1: an open dude, Like you can say true, well, we
Speaker 1: can have a basketball conversation and we'd be like, hey man,
Speaker 1: fuck you. And he's also like yeah, me and him
Speaker 1: had like great, Like I feel like I had conversation
Speaker 1: with him, like and he was super open and talking
Speaker 1: about hoops, put his guard down to the person. It's
Speaker 1: when you when you cast him into what he got
Speaker 1: to be and all the other that's when all of
Speaker 1: us get uncomfortable. Well, I just think of the Thunder
Speaker 1: being up three to one and against the Warriors and
Speaker 1: the Western I was going to join him after he lost. Why,
Speaker 1: I don't get it hurt my soul? Now, you guys
Speaker 1: are I feel like a gang? The Cavaliers were like
Speaker 1: you guys, for the most part, the crew was together
Speaker 1: through that whole time, right, obviously certain pieces coming and going.
Speaker 1: But when you guys got the news that Katie was
Speaker 1: joining the Warriors, what was that group chat like this
Speaker 1: snake That's how it was. Bro. It was just like,
Speaker 1: because you know you're gonna have to see them in
Speaker 1: the finals. I'm like, for what, that's what That's how
Speaker 1: we all looking like? Huh. They were like, well, we're
Speaker 1: Russ got to save That's what we are. Why Rus's
Speaker 1: been to save out that shit. That ship is crazy.
Speaker 1: But you know it was a wild that lasted all
Speaker 1: up until like half the season. Once we had already
Speaker 1: saw them one time, it was like all right, bro,
Speaker 1: you you made your decision, like you got to stay
Speaker 1: over there, a let's beat them. Like now it's like
Speaker 1: bumped at, I'm glady over there. Let's deal with this.
Speaker 1: Like what year did you get traded from the Cabs?
Speaker 1: Was it twenty eighteen? Twenty nineteen? Oh no, bro, did
Speaker 1: you got it from the Cabs? You went to the Kings.
Speaker 1: Y'all gonna have to google that is eighteen been eighteen?
Speaker 1: What trade was that? A part of I don't even know, bro.
Speaker 1: They were just trying to get me out of their kid.
Speaker 1: At that point you had to give me up out
Speaker 1: of there. I had to go. It wasn't you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like it was at some point it
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna work out with all of us. It just
Speaker 1: wasn't enough basketballs because you gotta think we don't one
Speaker 1: now we're going into the next transition year. I was
Speaker 1: already in their ear, like, hey, bro, it's time for
Speaker 1: me to get the ball back in my hands, like
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I'm twenty five, I
Speaker 1: don't know you know what I mean? Like we got
Speaker 1: our ring and shit, I'm like, it's time to groom
Speaker 1: me back into my point guard ship. Like I played
Speaker 1: y'all game, I ran around in the three and d. Shit,
Speaker 1: I was never a three and D guy. It's like
Speaker 1: I played, you were a two way player like a motherfucker. Man,
Speaker 1: I feel it. I'm a basketball player. Everybody in the
Speaker 1: league should be a two way player like a motherfucker.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. That should be standard, but
Speaker 1: it's not, which is weird. But they was trying to
Speaker 1: hype me up, like you're a three and D guy,
Speaker 1: like you can guard people. Yeah, everybody should be able
Speaker 1: to do that. That's pride, that ain't you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like that's being a grown up. I don't
Speaker 1: know what to fucking tell you, Like, yeah, I'll curry
Speaker 1: over here play defense for free, bro, Like I don't
Speaker 1: I don't really care, Like whatever did you part of
Speaker 1: the game. But I felt like it's time for your
Speaker 1: min to go back to playing point guard. And when
Speaker 1: I became that and I became bullheaded and that it
Speaker 1: was like he got to get out of here. Well,
Speaker 1: because you were a certain point in time. I don't
Speaker 1: remember what I got traded. I was gonna say a
Speaker 1: certain point in time you were like the you were
Speaker 1: running point for the Cavs, like a bit here and there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: here and there. Yeah, I remember that. That was the
Speaker 1: That was the issue. It was like, bro, it can't
Speaker 1: be a tease me type of thing. I'm like, Kyrie
Speaker 1: like to shoot that mog anyway. I don't know why
Speaker 1: y'all forcing him to play. Did you see the Kyrie
Speaker 1: thing festering? Because the most surprising thing to me was
Speaker 1: when he asked to leave. Did you see that coming
Speaker 1: at all? I don't really, but I've like we all
Speaker 1: meant like I think people read into it a little
Speaker 1: too hard sometimes, like as a man, how you wake
Speaker 1: up today ain't gonna be the same as tomorrow, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's like it's stuff that he
Speaker 1: didn't dealing with talking directly to ownership that you know,
Speaker 1: a little past our pay grade if you're not the
Speaker 1: guy on the team. What I mean. So it's like
Speaker 1: all the stuff that was happening behind the scenes. We
Speaker 1: didn't know Kyrie had been there longer than anybody, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Uh, that's a deeper rooted conversation
Speaker 1: for him, Like we didn't. It didn't really I ain't
Speaker 1: see it coming. It wasn't a shock though. I say
Speaker 1: that way. I knew Kyrie wanted some things to change
Speaker 1: just based upon him being him and being there that long.
Speaker 1: And it's hard to do that when we don't know
Speaker 1: whose Batman is. Kyrie is like y'all going back and
Speaker 1: forth with when I'm Batman and I don't like it.
Speaker 1: That's fair, you know what I'm saying. And that's what
Speaker 1: was tough. It's just like you got so many people here.
Speaker 1: It's like even when JR. Has these moments, that's one
Speaker 1: of the best heat checked players ever. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: like you got the moments. You gotta have the moments
Speaker 1: where it's like, hey, bro, I guess I played with
Speaker 1: mellow I play you know what I'm saying, Like I
Speaker 1: get it. Also when he like the young guy that
Speaker 1: shoots the wild shots and y'all want to talk about
Speaker 1: my shot selection and shit, but he like, at some
Speaker 1: point it's end of the game. That's a ten year vet.
Speaker 1: Throw that bitch in there and let him play with
Speaker 1: his back to the basket. Like at some point we
Speaker 1: got to activate him to see if he turns into
Speaker 1: what he's supposed to. But that's the issue, Like they
Speaker 1: don't do that. They'll just leave you in that role
Speaker 1: and you got to play it for twenty years, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like that's where players become unhappy,
Speaker 1: where they're like, I'm sitting here, like when you watch
Speaker 1: your favorite players, you'd like I watched the development of them.
Speaker 1: Like you watch a guy come into the league and
Speaker 1: then he can't do this or he can't do that,
Speaker 1: and they put this, put this, put this, and then
Speaker 1: it's like now year five, they like, all right, let's
Speaker 1: see what he is. You know what I'm saying, let's
Speaker 1: really go for this title. And it's like you look
Speaker 1: at it now, and it's like, can he do it
Speaker 1: right now? What can you do for us right now?
Speaker 1: If they don't have it, trade him some real shit
Speaker 1: talk about you know what's crazy is I remember the
Speaker 1: first time I saw you rapping, I knew you were
Speaker 1: like making music, but I saw that Cipher was los
Speaker 1: and Travis Thompson, and I forget who else was a
Speaker 1: part of that cipher? Oh? Cash, Yeah, it was a
Speaker 1: it was a BT. And what's my boy? Who else is?
Speaker 1: Who is it? You already said, lo, it was King Los,
Speaker 1: it was Travis Thompson, it was you, it was you,
Speaker 1: say Cash all, I'm forgetting somebody I'll come back to.
Speaker 1: But it was I remember seeing it and being like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, you always got mistake for designer, but you
Speaker 1: were a better rapper than designer. But nah, but like
Speaker 1: you actually, like obviously, this is not something that you
Speaker 1: just picked up, you know, because you were bored, Like,
Speaker 1: this is something you have been doing for a long time.
Speaker 1: Kind of take us back, how long have you been
Speaker 1: making music or at least playing with the thought of
Speaker 1: like rapping or writing rhymes? Are just developing that writing rhymes?
Speaker 1: Probably since like sixth grade, making music and developing what
Speaker 1: that was? That was it till my freshman year of
Speaker 1: high school that I started recording my homie And I
Speaker 1: wasn't even like going to a studio. My homie had
Speaker 1: the Yeah, he had the new Mac, the new Mac computer.
Speaker 1: And with that new Mac computer, they had that built
Speaker 1: in mic ah. Yeah, how the garage, throw the headphones
Speaker 1: in and then uh he would put the little blanket
Speaker 1: up to cancel the noise. And I mean, this is
Speaker 1: just still sound all the way great, but uh, we
Speaker 1: were selling mixtapes like in high school, selling mixtapes well,
Speaker 1: along with other things. But I would package everything together
Speaker 1: and get it out to you and it was, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was a vibe, man. But that's that's
Speaker 1: when I eighth of weed and a mixtape. But it's like,
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna listen to it now, but it's
Speaker 1: like I was doing mixed CDs, so I was bootlegging
Speaker 1: everybody else. Ship Bro me too. That's how I got
Speaker 1: my name. But le keV. Literally I was just burning
Speaker 1: CDs and I had taken Yeah, I had the two
Speaker 1: cdss and everything, the Southern Smokes, everything, all the radios.
Speaker 1: I had a folder with the each mixtape cup. I
Speaker 1: just took a little online printed out and then put
Speaker 1: all them ships in like this binder and ship I
Speaker 1: would go. I would go to and I have like
Speaker 1: eight versions of the CD stacked on top of each other,
Speaker 1: right behind that album. And I was taking I literally
Speaker 1: wasn't even like you wouldn't even get the CDK. Sometimes
Speaker 1: you just get the CD a piece of paper. I
Speaker 1: used to go to the office man with all this
Speaker 1: all like put that in right now. You ain't got
Speaker 1: no case, put it right now. That's so crazy. I
Speaker 1: used to. I used to like go on the message
Speaker 1: boards and download all the mixtapes and ship and albums
Speaker 1: and then uh, I'd hit office max and by the
Speaker 1: slim jewel cases. I had a little boot like I
Speaker 1: used to go shoplift the ink. Did you get the
Speaker 1: color the color coordinated cases? Yeah, but like you know,
Speaker 1: I had I had like like I used to print
Speaker 1: all the all the covers off. Yeah, my little cheap
Speaker 1: ass printer, and I would go steal the ink because
Speaker 1: the ink was fun expensive, so I would I'd steal
Speaker 1: the ink cartridges out of the demo printers at the store,
Speaker 1: and then and then I printed print print the covers
Speaker 1: and then I'd be a to swap meet every weekend
Speaker 1: slanging mixtapes, man and DVDs to man, you remember what
Speaker 1: the best seller was? What's the best seller? Like? Do
Speaker 1: you remember which artists which drop out? College? Dropout? Wow,
Speaker 1: I've never sold so many of one project for me,
Speaker 1: it was Uh. I used to I probably I've sold
Speaker 1: hundreds of Game the documentary album. The documentary did well too.
Speaker 1: The documentary was moving boy. But I was. I was
Speaker 1: big on mixed CDs. I always had at least like
Speaker 1: twenty five requests why I should do that too, or
Speaker 1: somebody would would give you a list and I'd be like, cool,
Speaker 1: twenty bucks, I'm gonna make the CD for you. Exactly
Speaker 1: see you was charging way more. I should have charged
Speaker 1: that much. My kids. I would charge five bucks per
Speaker 1: mixtape at the SI meet five bucks. But if you
Speaker 1: wanted a custom mix, it was a dub. So if like,
Speaker 1: let's say, say I should have did that my custom
Speaker 1: my custom mix was like it was like tim but
Speaker 1: I'd be like, yo, you could get this because I
Speaker 1: was really running them. I was really running them. You
Speaker 1: could get this new DJ Drama mixtape or Whoever's mixtape.
Speaker 1: But if you want me to put some shit together
Speaker 1: for you, twenty dollars. Yeah. But the twenty was really
Speaker 1: for the you know what I'm saying, for your time party,
Speaker 1: your party favor like it was it, oh I see,
Speaker 1: I see I. The twenty was for the eighths, That's
Speaker 1: what I was all that and then it was like,
Speaker 1: now it's twenty five balls, thirty balls coming each time
Speaker 1: we're dealing with a customer. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: We killed two birds one stone. But I'm getting my
Speaker 1: project out there. That's how I felt about it, Like
Speaker 1: I'm getting my music out there. But what was crazy
Speaker 1: was people really was rocking with it, and at this time,
Speaker 1: you're obviously a star athlete at score them assuming, which
Speaker 1: is why they took it away from me. They made
Speaker 1: me stop because I wasn't back then. I didn't know
Speaker 1: nobody made it out where I was from. Just I'm
Speaker 1: not where are you from? So I went to well
Speaker 1: that's my school, Oh, par Reforce is my high school.
Speaker 1: But I'm from o Park, which is we bought a kid.
Speaker 1: So if you got Chicago, we the town inside the city.
Speaker 1: That literally says, if you cross this street, you're not
Speaker 1: out of Chicago, but it's Chicago, like a motherfucker. You
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. But that's the cool thing about
Speaker 1: it because I get like people that be like thinking,
Speaker 1: I'm going to be like this suburb kid, like I
Speaker 1: look great on paper, you know, I a old paper.
Speaker 1: I'm a great city. I'm an outstairs the guy, and
Speaker 1: I think that it's cool to sell when you talk
Speaker 1: about the dynamic of selling these CDs and getting shit
Speaker 1: like that off, because it's like I got protected in
Speaker 1: the sense that I got like the suburb kids, the
Speaker 1: city kids, I got everybody in one because I was
Speaker 1: a border kid, so nobody really knew where I lived at.
Speaker 1: People were trying to figure it out, like he all
Speaker 1: the way downhill, he go to Old Parl, his grandma
Speaker 1: stay right here, like it was like that. But it
Speaker 1: was like my clientele was just going crazy. And then
Speaker 1: I'm rapping and I'm freestyle and I'm doing all this
Speaker 1: and I started realizing, like people are really giving me
Speaker 1: a chance to do this, but I'm super flagrant and
Speaker 1: my raps you were seeing some more ship, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: because I'm but I'm talking about stuff you're doing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm talking it like you're talking about the ship you're
Speaker 1: doing in the streets. I'm like, bro, I can't you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And they was like my coaching
Speaker 1: and heard it, and they like, you want like just
Speaker 1: they might use this against you if you're getting recruited
Speaker 1: fair enough immediately, yeah, like you have to stop. So
Speaker 1: I basically was like telling everybody like, yo, just please
Speaker 1: like don't don't upload this ship. Yeah, like just try
Speaker 1: and keep it as low as part, like we just
Speaker 1: like doing like just what is that pr damage ship?
Speaker 1: Like that's what we try to do that it was
Speaker 1: we try to do the we try to do the
Speaker 1: damage control. But I was just saying like, if you
Speaker 1: go back and listen to it, you'll be like, damn,
Speaker 1: like he really thought he wasn't going to the NBA
Speaker 1: on the logan, the way he was talking on these
Speaker 1: rats you're talking, Yeah, it's like the way you talking,
Speaker 1: it don't sound like dude ever played basketball in his
Speaker 1: life or give a fuck played basketball. And it was
Speaker 1: like after that, I had to sort of start tailoring shit.
Speaker 1: That's why if you go really listen to my earlier
Speaker 1: stuff that I released when I played for the Knicks,
Speaker 1: like I listen to it now and I like cringe
Speaker 1: and get mad because I'm like, bro, none of these
Speaker 1: songs was like this, this is a bunch of take
Speaker 1: this out, take that out. I can't say this, can't
Speaker 1: say that essentially, like like you'd have to almost record
Speaker 1: a song and then comb through it afterwards and be like,
Speaker 1: you know what I played for the Knicks. I can't
Speaker 1: say this and then have a record that I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: this shit just just the one. And then I'm like,
Speaker 1: I can't do nothing with that one though, because you
Speaker 1: can't say this, And then it's like I can't release
Speaker 1: it because I would have had to release it during
Speaker 1: this time. But we play tomorrow and now everybody's gonna
Speaker 1: think I'm not Focused's just so much shit drop music
Speaker 1: during the season. People going to look at you crazy. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And then it was like, because I was able to
Speaker 1: stay on beat and everybody else that is like playing defense.
Speaker 1: Hey listen, some of the worst rappers ever came out
Speaker 1: of them. It's because Test was horrible. God bless him.
Speaker 1: I went to a Ron Art Test music video shoot
Speaker 1: with Mike Jones and like when I was like in
Speaker 1: high school and it was it was rough True Warrior.
Speaker 1: I remember his label, True Warrior. I was at the
Speaker 1: video shoot Shout Shout out the True Warrio record. You
Speaker 1: remember that song. Ron Ard Test and Mike Jones. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, it was bad. But I was at the
Speaker 1: video shoot. It was in Phoenix. I was a kid
Speaker 1: in high school. They're like, Ron Art Test is shooting
Speaker 1: the video on the South Side. Mike Jones were like,
Speaker 1: we in there? What I swear to god, Bro, why
Speaker 1: was he in Arizona? Dude, I have no fucking mic No,
Speaker 1: he's from Texas. That's and this is peak Mike Jones.
Speaker 1: This is like switch a house. Yes, I'm like, we're going.
Speaker 1: It was at this record store called in the Groove
Speaker 1: Records and we were hanging out. Mike Jones got he
Speaker 1: shot the video inside of the the inside of the store,
Speaker 1: there was a barber chair and he's like getting this
Speaker 1: like fade while he's doing the video and it's around
Speaker 1: our test. So I just looked it up on YouTube
Speaker 1: recently to see if it was still there. It's still there. Terrible. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's so that's so bad. See that's how I feel.
Speaker 1: Like when I go back and I listen to it,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Bro, I could tell I'm like reading raps,
Speaker 1: not feeling I'm not. You know. That's the thing about
Speaker 1: music is my homies ain't in the studio. Yeah right now,
Speaker 1: Like I could tell what these songs are, and it's
Speaker 1: like I get it. Like even when like I used
Speaker 1: to be like getting mad when Mons used to be
Speaker 1: doing the whole they like man out of the NBA rappers,
Speaker 1: you know, I just feel like, you know, it's Dame
Speaker 1: and A doing all this other shit. And I used
Speaker 1: to just be like I used to look keep me
Speaker 1: getting annoyed, like because I'm like, damn, bro, I should
Speaker 1: have just saved all my music until now. Yeah. Even
Speaker 1: when I see stuff like when people bring up the
Speaker 1: best NBA rappers, they'll like play a song that I
Speaker 1: did when I was like it was like twenty ten,
Speaker 1: twenty eleven type shit, and they'll play that song and
Speaker 1: like who's the best NBA rapper? And I'll be like, bro,
Speaker 1: that's A that's old. Yeah, Like I'd be like, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Is this too? Is this to
Speaker 1: piss me off? I'm like, y'all trying to piss me off?
Speaker 1: Y'all steady starting threads. And I still think it. I
Speaker 1: still I still think I'm gonna play Dame new ship.
Speaker 1: I still think I still think of Shack Shaq Sack
Speaker 1: We're platinum and he had NAS and jay Z on
Speaker 1: a song together. Shaq was playing what's the song? I
Speaker 1: don't know? But you But this is what I mean
Speaker 1: by about the rapping ship, Like I feel like we
Speaker 1: all took an l until somebody's singing our lyrics. That's real.
Speaker 1: Like you can't stop the ring by shack Man, you
Speaker 1: still don't know it, you can't stop doing Come on
Speaker 1: that ship was I mean that wasn't his part. It
Speaker 1: was a great hook though. No, that's fair. I think
Speaker 1: Damien has I think you tell me about a sample
Speaker 1: the hook? Do you think he starts sinking? Do you
Speaker 1: think his part? Do you think Dame has at least
Speaker 1: done the best job of like juggling both? No, I
Speaker 1: think Dame is a superstar athlete with the money to
Speaker 1: put behind it. I don't think that. I think the
Speaker 1: NBA is way more lenient with Dame doing stuff like
Speaker 1: letting him perform for All Star, doing all this, which
Speaker 1: I'm happy for him. I'm not hating. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: if I was a rock star, like if I if
Speaker 1: I never played under Mellow and stat and when I
Speaker 1: went to New York it was just my ship and
Speaker 1: we just was I was the rookie that get to
Speaker 1: shoot it thirty times and do whatever the fuck I
Speaker 1: want my music? Would it it went different because it
Speaker 1: was like NBA can't say nothing. You might have been
Speaker 1: Kevin knock slow key. No, I'm just talking. That's the thing.
Speaker 1: I was guaranteed no shirit like I had New York cracking.
Speaker 1: It's like if we if we're gonna, if we're gonna, uh,
Speaker 1: let him shoot thirty shots a game to where it's
Speaker 1: like pressure or not. I'm shooting until I get in
Speaker 1: the mix. Like like in high school, it's like, bro,
Speaker 1: whether I'm having a good stint a bad stint. I
Speaker 1: got the ball so much I could sort of get
Speaker 1: in rhythm, you can get into groove, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It was like if I if I had that,
Speaker 1: then it's like they would have never hit me with
Speaker 1: the Oh he's not focused. Then it's like if I
Speaker 1: say a curse word or two, who cares? Moneg, I'm
Speaker 1: signed for a hundred million. Like also, you're a human being,
Speaker 1: people cuss. That's what I'm up in, which I started
Speaker 1: to realize once I'm like twenty seven, I'm like, bro,
Speaker 1: fuck y'all, I got a daughter, Like yeah, just because
Speaker 1: I graduated from listening to you, motherfucker. That's crazy. That's
Speaker 1: why I got to that point where I'm just like, Bro,
Speaker 1: you think you like a better parent because you lie
Speaker 1: to your kid all day, Like they don't close the
Speaker 1: door until talk about the real you. Like, kids know
Speaker 1: exactly what you're doing, Bro, it's just whenever you're gonna
Speaker 1: let them in on it. So it was like with me,
Speaker 1: I'm like, once I got to that point where I
Speaker 1: got daughters, it was just like I'm gonna say what
Speaker 1: I want and sort of do what I want. That
Speaker 1: control is kind of gone. But I feel like it's
Speaker 1: helping my music, Like it helped people to connect with
Speaker 1: me if they know, like Dude a lot like me,
Speaker 1: Like I thought he was like this superhero that never
Speaker 1: makes a mistake and ship, but it's like, honestly, bro,
Speaker 1: who's rooting for him? Nobody wants to root for Dude
Speaker 1: like goodie too shoe ass, Like I'm not rooting for him.
Speaker 1: I don't like him. Do you feel like now your
Speaker 1: music is in a place to be, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of like the forefront of your focus as far as
Speaker 1: like you know, obviously yeah you got you got pasted.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I think uh at this point, it's got
Speaker 1: to be just the only thing that it's literally the
Speaker 1: only thing that can never be taken. Father time ain't
Speaker 1: gonna take this from me. It's gonna live on forever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like this, father Time just can't take my voice, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Well, father Time can, I just
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna hit that for a longer time. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be a while before that happened, exactly. Basketball athletically,
Speaker 1: I can still Yeah, I could still go out there
Speaker 1: and do everything I need to do and play the game.
Speaker 1: But it's like at some point that was gonna stop.
Speaker 1: So it's like I knew at some point I was
Speaker 1: gonna tap more into the art side of who I am.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It was just a matter
Speaker 1: of everything lining up. And I feel like right now,
Speaker 1: entertainment wise, music, it just it's people want to hear
Speaker 1: me tell my story. That's that's my favorite way to
Speaker 1: do it. What are the MC's artists that are kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, currently doing their thing right now that you're
Speaker 1: that you're actually like a fan of so much dope
Speaker 1: hip hop that's out right now. I'm a my newest,
Speaker 1: my newest I'll say flowers, and now my Flowers is
Speaker 1: joining Lucas Joiners Fire. Best videos, it's the videos in decades,
Speaker 1: it's the video he he reminds me of you know,
Speaker 1: when we grew up, we were watching Bust of Rhymes
Speaker 1: and Missy Elliott and and it's like we knows, remember
Speaker 1: know what we're going for them for videos are They're
Speaker 1: so well thought out, They're just amazing. Got a great
Speaker 1: team and he couldrap his ass, for sure, you got
Speaker 1: a great team. But I love that he doesn't hang
Speaker 1: his hat on if he has a club hit, It's like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you content. I'm gonna give you
Speaker 1: build this organic fan base. Conceptually it is dominant, and
Speaker 1: I I fuck with that. Him. Dirk is just he's
Speaker 1: gotten to a point that I truly feel like everything
Speaker 1: he says is just Chicago. Like if I want to
Speaker 1: go home, I'm putting on dirt. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I'm putting on her. It's just they've gotten to the
Speaker 1: point where I no longer feel like they rap. They
Speaker 1: just sort of talking talking for us. Like I don't
Speaker 1: know how to explain it. Just like everything they say
Speaker 1: it sounds like they in a chicken spot with me.
Speaker 1: It don't sound like they rap it and trying to
Speaker 1: make a hit song. It's like, gee, whatever they say
Speaker 1: is law right now? Outside of them. J I D
Speaker 1: Jed's incredible, big ji D fan, that's my boy too,
Speaker 1: shout the dream. But now j I D is a
Speaker 1: quite as kept, like technically one of the illness. Like
Speaker 1: it's just it's a lot to digest. Oh, it's a lot, man,
Speaker 1: He's technically just a Jedi. I'll never forget here and
Speaker 1: it never been and she had never had, she never knew,
Speaker 1: she had, never out, never do, never gave two shits
Speaker 1: like his Uh yeah, his cadence is unbelievable. And then
Speaker 1: besides that is I'm a little baby guy. Yeah, a
Speaker 1: little baby's protecting him at all costs, a little baby.
Speaker 1: And Dirk's like the album cold well No, just the
Speaker 1: way that each of them have evolved in front of
Speaker 1: our eyes as artists and just as like you know,
Speaker 1: I think of Dirk like Dirk really and his stride
Speaker 1: until like two three years ago, but he's been in
Speaker 1: the game for so long as far as like people
Speaker 1: like looking at him as like one of them. One.
Speaker 1: I think it went it went from Dirk. Uh. At
Speaker 1: some point Dirk kind of figured it out. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: want to say it was signed to the streets. There
Speaker 1: was a certain point where you just feel like, oh,
Speaker 1: Dirk figured this shut out because he had always been,
Speaker 1: you know, doing this thing. It was like doing his thing,
Speaker 1: and he had the streets and then he like started
Speaker 1: trying to like figure out the mass. And at some
Speaker 1: point it was like he got on a record and
Speaker 1: he started talking like he was older than everybody, and
Speaker 1: I was like, now you in yeah, before he was
Speaker 1: like it was like, real, young boy, let me show
Speaker 1: you my world to me, That's how I took it.
Speaker 1: And then at some point on sign to the Streets,
Speaker 1: it was like he graduated himself, like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I graduated and now I'm trying to like tell me y'all.
Speaker 1: I think, And then I think with Little Baby, I
Speaker 1: think Little Baby might be probably the most improved MC
Speaker 1: I've seen in a long time, because if we think
Speaker 1: about like early Little Baby, we would think like Little
Speaker 1: Baby would openly talk about how Gunna would like give
Speaker 1: him tips on how to rap, and like he hasn't
Speaker 1: been rapping that long, you know, And if you just
Speaker 1: think of like the last two years, he's like a superior.
Speaker 1: He's like one of the top notch. Like MC's not
Speaker 1: just guys who make records that you could hear in
Speaker 1: the club or on the radio, like this motherfucker can
Speaker 1: rap circles around nine the population. I think it's uh
Speaker 1: one is a little bit of this little baby's energy,
Speaker 1: like little babies like, uh, well, I can't think of it.
Speaker 1: I don't watch you watch like cartoons and shit. I
Speaker 1: mean I watched a cartoon that is somebody that like
Speaker 1: like takes in energy and shit and then they have
Speaker 1: like a big power. I was finna say Dragon ball
Speaker 1: Z Mega Man, Mega Man. That's that's a video game,
Speaker 1: video game. But it's like little Baby reminds me of that,
Speaker 1: and I feel like he like it too, like everyone's
Speaker 1: powers that he was around. And then just it's type
Speaker 1: it's not even that, it's the energy of what he's
Speaker 1: dealing with. So it's like with little Baby, you know
Speaker 1: how people like get to this point where it's like
Speaker 1: you hot, you just drop these two songs like let's chill,
Speaker 1: let's work these records and do this right. And it's
Speaker 1: like little Baby has this gift that is just like no,
Speaker 1: let's go again, like no, here's another project, here's a
Speaker 1: even on his even on his his his his uh,
Speaker 1: his features, it's like it sounds like like when Calid
Speaker 1: like keep going like I'm like, it's the energy, Like
Speaker 1: how he just gonna keep that Kalid record. I'd be
Speaker 1: like this the whole time in the car. My wife
Speaker 1: be like, bro, oh my god, y'all gonna play this
Speaker 1: little baby. This boyfriend lose his man like that song
Speaker 1: that's so crazy. But it's like he talking low like
Speaker 1: anybody that's gonna talk it and say like it's just
Speaker 1: like I don't know, like my shit is that that
Speaker 1: I ain't got a hundred million. I can't chill you,
Speaker 1: but don't get its screw I get rid. He just
Speaker 1: put he just put forty two. Dug fell asleep in
Speaker 1: the studio and he feels him. He's like, how do
Speaker 1: you fall asleep? You don't have one hundred million. But
Speaker 1: it's like stuff like that, it's just the work ethic,
Speaker 1: the the forefront of what he's saying. Watching him force
Speaker 1: capital onto his people. Yeah, like he's forcing them to
Speaker 1: have to figure it out with money, Like i'mna, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna bring in so much money, so much money has
Speaker 1: to come around every time I show up, that y'all
Speaker 1: gotta make money, figure it out. And I love that energy,
Speaker 1: like anybody that could push that, Like I used to
Speaker 1: go to meet for that energy, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like not to say meat fell off of some ship.
Speaker 1: It's just every energy is different around every couple of years.
Speaker 1: But I mean me's getting older, Well I gonna say
Speaker 1: that happens meat bossing up to Like like I said,
Speaker 1: they graduate themselves. It's been around for ten years now.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, but that's what Meek was when
Speaker 1: I first stream Chasers dream Man. He's showing up with
Speaker 1: a hoodie, a hundre of niggas and they rapping, and
Speaker 1: the energy it's just like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like that's what little Baby is, but
Speaker 1: little babies like the meat energy that Meek had with
Speaker 1: the hoodies. But it's like everybody got on chains, everybody
Speaker 1: got watches, everybody, and they all behind him like with
Speaker 1: this energy. That's just like I've never seen an energy
Speaker 1: like that in a studio, Like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like I've been around a lot of artists like him,
Speaker 1: And another person that impressed me in the studio was
Speaker 1: young Thug. I've never seen two people work like that, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think thugs are alien from all accounts. I've heard
Speaker 1: no bullshit. Yeah, I heard he's like just no bullshit,
Speaker 1: and I think I'm talking about I've had people say
Speaker 1: in the studio, nobody can hear what he's doing, like
Speaker 1: the engineer has headphones on. He's in the booth and
Speaker 1: you're just gonna hear it when he wants you to
Speaker 1: hear it. Yeah, but he's but he's in the other
Speaker 1: rooms in the fut also meticulous, like he's gonna go
Speaker 1: in there, he's gonna do his thing, y'all gonna record whatever.
Speaker 1: Then he gonna come out and he gonna grab the
Speaker 1: mouse and he gonna do some stuff himself. And we've
Speaker 1: seen the meme like it's, oh yeah, people think it's joke, greate,
Speaker 1: Like people be thinking it's like for food for fun.
Speaker 1: Like it's like he knows exactly what he's doing. He
Speaker 1: really in control, He really trying to do something right now.
Speaker 1: And it was crazy because it was like before that.
Speaker 1: A lot of times when I go, you know, he
Speaker 1: does the high pitch stuff with the auto tune. A
Speaker 1: lot of times I couldn't understand some of the stuff
Speaker 1: he said. And I look, he had a knock against
Speaker 1: Doug for that, but being in there and seeing it
Speaker 1: and then hearing Yeah, it's like he's like going for
Speaker 1: a certain pitch. This is not a this is not
Speaker 1: a he just went in there. I thought he just
Speaker 1: went in there high and it was just like yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just like he didn't really care that much. Stop
Speaker 1: behind it. No, Yeah, he's really like. No. If I
Speaker 1: get you to that frequency and I you know, I
Speaker 1: say it like that, you'll never forget what I said,
Speaker 1: because it's so unique. It's so left, it's so random
Speaker 1: that it sticks out. It's a sore thumb, and it
Speaker 1: doesn't seem beautiful all the time at first, but it's
Speaker 1: like over and over it might be the only thing
Speaker 1: you were remember from the song. Yeah, I think two
Speaker 1: people like anytime someone is so different and so unique.
Speaker 1: Man young Thug made dropping Jews. That's one of the coldest.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is like thugs like the kind of
Speaker 1: artists who comes into the game and it's so unique
Speaker 1: that like people are supposed to be like what the
Speaker 1: fuck is this? For sure? I mean he just threw
Speaker 1: everybody off with the dresses, and I think that's it.
Speaker 1: I think that's any I mean even even think about
Speaker 1: Little Baby. Like when Little Baby first came out, people
Speaker 1: are like, what the fuck is this guy saying, like,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's just like anything that's
Speaker 1: great is initially gonna come. You gotta get used to
Speaker 1: anything new, you know what I mean. Like if everyone
Speaker 1: was just feeding you the status call that everyone would
Speaker 1: still sound like fucking run DMC, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So so he said, shot, what music wise, what do
Speaker 1: you have on the on on the uh on the
Speaker 1: slate right now? We just dropped outside. So outside was
Speaker 1: one of them records that happened should have been came out,
Speaker 1: but I just started doing too much. I took on
Speaker 1: the Dancing with the Star Ship. Yeah, ye had film
Speaker 1: that show like every more timing, Yeah, I definitely will.
Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, I dropped outside. I got the video
Speaker 1: coming next. We shot the video in Chicago. It was nuts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, we probably came out of Honeystrom, went out,
Speaker 1: fuck the city up a little bit. It was. It
Speaker 1: was a good time. But yeah, we're gonna drop that video.
Speaker 1: And uh, I guess going into the new year, I
Speaker 1: mean I gotta, you know, I gotta clear with Giants
Speaker 1: storm to make sure. But I believe. I believe we
Speaker 1: dropping just to kick the year off. So this car
Speaker 1: Ain't stolen. That's the album called My It's My My
Speaker 1: first album that I'm putting out. Everything else has been
Speaker 1: like EP yeah, little little stuff, but that's literally just
Speaker 1: to remind people that I still car aren't stolen. So
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that something that's happened to you before, being
Speaker 1: a millionaire who was African Americans, probably driving some of
Speaker 1: the nicest cars and yeah, yeah, that's like it's like
Speaker 1: it's like a dick hard moment though when you do it,
Speaker 1: like you're pulling me over and you want this car
Speaker 1: to be stolen so bad, but it's not. It's so clean.
Speaker 1: It's so clean. You want this firearm to be off,
Speaker 1: you want you just want so much to be going
Speaker 1: wrong right now, but nothing's wrong. It's so fair and square.
Speaker 1: I just like, I love that moment of looking at
Speaker 1: the cop like, what's up, Bro? Oh you mom? Yeah
Speaker 1: that's me, Bro, that's me. Yeah, I played with Bro
Speaker 1: all that same dumb shit, but you pulled me over
Speaker 1: for some bullshit skate. Yeah, let me out. I gotta go.
Speaker 1: I really need to leave, Sir, I do sir can
Speaker 1: I have my ID back. My father's an insurance agent.
Speaker 1: I know my ship together. Give me my ship back,
Speaker 1: Clock League, because you ain't pull me over for nothing.
Speaker 1: But it's like playing on that. I've been slammed on
Speaker 1: the hood of cause I've been padded down for no reason.
Speaker 1: I've had to deal with all the same similar things
Speaker 1: as everybody else. Being an African American man that stands
Speaker 1: over six feet, I'm automatically a threat. If you're a
Speaker 1: cop that's not way bigger than me. I would see
Speaker 1: myself as a threat too, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this like it's a bad thing, but
Speaker 1: it's like I've had to deal with that. So for
Speaker 1: me in life, I don't take things as all. This
Speaker 1: is unfair. I'm sad. Everything to me is competition. So
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, this is a game. This is now monopoly.
Speaker 1: I win. That's what this album is. It's like, bro
Speaker 1: y'all gave me shit. I was a border kid. Y'all
Speaker 1: didn't really like the suburb kids said I was broke.
Speaker 1: The city kids said I was a suburb kid, and
Speaker 1: I was soft. You know what I'm saying, y'all said,
Speaker 1: no body go to the league from Old Park. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, far as I'm concerned, I won this game Monopoly.
Speaker 1: Like that's how I feel. As far as I'm concerned,
Speaker 1: I won, Officer. You know what I'm saying, Like, Officer,
Speaker 1: you just got to get better at the game of Monopoly. Bro.
Speaker 1: But I didn't tell you to be an officer. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You could drive this same car
Speaker 1: if you work really hard and put that bitch in
Speaker 1: the hoop. You know what I'm saying, If you put
Speaker 1: it in a hoop, I swear to God, you could
Speaker 1: be here too. You could do this too, Bro, Probably
Speaker 1: five eighth to do with me, because there's some people
Speaker 1: that's five league, yeah that they't got nothing to do
Speaker 1: with it. Not many people that are. It's a couple
Speaker 1: of girls, it's a couple of guys. Man. But Isaiah's
Speaker 1: in the G League. Who else? Who else is five
Speaker 1: ft eight? I mean, I hate that G League. See,
Speaker 1: I hate that the G League made it possible for
Speaker 1: people to say that about Isaiah. I know, because God
Speaker 1: bless him, he's in it. Bro, I cannot believe the
Speaker 1: violation that the G League will allow. Bro. We can't
Speaker 1: do that. That big who who that was All Star candidate?
Speaker 1: Dog gave us fifty After he got terrible news in
Speaker 1: the playoffs, he took a shot, just taking shots in
Speaker 1: the hip so that he could figure it out. I know,
Speaker 1: I was so mad when these people got this man
Speaker 1: beg and to play basketball. Well not big, but it's crazy.
Speaker 1: He should not be knocking on nobody door, Like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I got more in the tank, Like, come on, bro,
Speaker 1: like that type of stuff that hurts. Do you still
Speaker 1: do you still feel like I'm knock on door? Do
Speaker 1: you still feel like you have some some of the tank?
Speaker 1: I got more feel something I'm saying, do you have
Speaker 1: the like do you still want a lot of people
Speaker 1: playing basketball right now in the league over me? That
Speaker 1: I feel like they should not be playing ball in
Speaker 1: the league over me? You know what I'm saying, I'm
Speaker 1: sure willing to violate. I'm not gonna get y'all specifics
Speaker 1: and try and violate people. I mean, I could go
Speaker 1: through an ultimate I'm an ultimate competitor. Everybody didn't know
Speaker 1: me in the league. No, bro, I want to compete.
Speaker 1: I want war, I want conflict, like I love that
Speaker 1: energy of basketball. I tell you who I would rather
Speaker 1: have on the Sun's I would rather have you instead
Speaker 1: of Admiral nat There's a guy on the Sun's name.
Speaker 1: Every time he gets every time, every time Monsie Williams
Speaker 1: puts Admiral Nader in the fucking game, I want to
Speaker 1: stab myself. But you know what's crazy. That's what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you about basketball though, Like I'm able to
Speaker 1: talk about it because I'd have played in the league. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm talking. But the thing that's crazy is you'll put
Speaker 1: dude on the court in the right system and he'll
Speaker 1: bust people in for sure. I mean everyone in the
Speaker 1: NBA is good, right, very good, Yes, very good. It's
Speaker 1: just crazy that you can That's what I'm saying. Before
Speaker 1: bron went to Miami, Bro, do you realize I feel
Speaker 1: like it was not disrespected. I feel like it was
Speaker 1: only hardcore. I feel like there was no disrespect going.
Speaker 1: I don't know mans like this when I was When
Speaker 1: I was a kid, I hated Karl Malone so much.
Speaker 1: I just I would John Stocked. I just thought John
Speaker 1: Stock was the corny is short short wearing I'm like,
Speaker 1: look at this corny ass motherfucker. Like that was what
Speaker 1: made the basketball great because like you gotta come to
Speaker 1: Utah and God, these short, short motherfuckers that say, yeah,
Speaker 1: y'all have this slag, we go bust y'all last week,
Speaker 1: y'all get here, you know. I mean that's I feel
Speaker 1: like hardcore basketball fans are always talking shit. Oh no,
Speaker 1: for sure, you got to that's what make the game great.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, do you guys pay attention
Speaker 1: to the Skip Bayless's of the world, the First Takes
Speaker 1: of the world, the Steven A. Smith's of the world.
Speaker 1: Part of it, They're part of it. It annoys you,
Speaker 1: but I don't think we take it. We don't take
Speaker 1: it that. Some guys do have moments where they take
Speaker 1: it pretty personal, though, but it's just annoying. Like you
Speaker 1: you wake up from your pregame map and you got
Speaker 1: a million text messages about what Skip Bayless said about
Speaker 1: you before a game. Because some of that stuff to
Speaker 1: me is like borderline, like take it personal types, especially
Speaker 1: like when we're talking about, like you know, the Skip
Speaker 1: and Lebron dynamic or some of the stuff Stephen A.
Speaker 1: Smith has said about certain people. I'm glad at times,
Speaker 1: I'm glad they don't do that to me. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You're not sure how you would take it.
Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm not sure how I would, but I'm
Speaker 1: big on I'll take it fine publicly like I can.
Speaker 1: I can media coach myself. Right. You could be in
Speaker 1: the press contrad ask me a question. I get the
Speaker 1: Marshawn Lynch. I'm just here so I will get fine.
Speaker 1: Like whatever. It's when I have to see you again,
Speaker 1: that's when things can get interesting. Yeah, Like stephen A
Speaker 1: is a you shooting around before the game. He come
Speaker 1: out there? What's up? Man? Just start talking to you.
Speaker 1: It's like, bro, if you ever went on national television
Speaker 1: and created a whirl win with my my life before
Speaker 1: a basketball game and I didn't perform how I wanted
Speaker 1: in that basketball game, if you walked up to me before,
Speaker 1: I don't know what will happen. Yeah, just because I
Speaker 1: will react, you know what I'm saying, Like it would
Speaker 1: be literally grown man react and the same way you
Speaker 1: say when you play basketball, you react to go get
Speaker 1: the loose ball. You don't think about that like you
Speaker 1: when you talk about something like that. It's like, bro,
Speaker 1: I did everything right with my pregame. My pregame routine.
Speaker 1: I was in a vibe, we had a great practice,
Speaker 1: We're doing all this stuff, and now randomly you bringing
Speaker 1: this up, and you and Skip argued about it for
Speaker 1: an hour, and now everything that everybody is talking about
Speaker 1: is just negative stuff for my name, and I can't
Speaker 1: do anything now. I can't go on Instagram if I
Speaker 1: wanted to look at something that was posted by my wife.
Speaker 1: I can't go on Instagram now because as soon as
Speaker 1: I open it, everybody's talking about what you Skip was
Speaker 1: talking about. You know what I'm saying. So it's like,
Speaker 1: if I had to deal with that dynamic every day,
Speaker 1: I probably would have an issue with it. I can
Speaker 1: only a mater. I'm glad I didn't I had to.
Speaker 1: You know, I think after a while, everybody sort of realize, like, hey, bro,
Speaker 1: let's just lead dude out of it. Would you would you?
Speaker 1: Would you try to get would you trying to get
Speaker 1: back on a roster? Or do you like the Big
Speaker 1: three thing at all? Or oh? I don't know. I
Speaker 1: ain't never gonna say no. I love basketball, bro, like
Speaker 1: I just like playing basketball, So I wouldn't rule the
Speaker 1: Big three out. Big three. It's always I love watching
Speaker 1: the Big Three I just like playing basket. I like
Speaker 1: to see Iso Joe out there. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's just love. It's like, bro, we're gonna play anyway. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I try and explain to people all the time. They're like, man,
Speaker 1: I wish you just it's not like you stopped playing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, bro, I don't not love basket. Still play
Speaker 1: like the owners of that ball club and the GM
Speaker 1: is going a different direction that has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with eman, like you're not finna Like bro, if y'all
Speaker 1: want to come to the gym that I be at, like,
Speaker 1: you gotta know somebody, right, But it's like we be
Speaker 1: in the gym, like we're getting it in. It's just
Speaker 1: whether or not the opportunity is there because I'm like
Speaker 1: though though, it's like I'm working my ass off. They
Speaker 1: can't just be like, oh yeah, man, come in. They
Speaker 1: gotta make sense. Like they got young guys they drafted,
Speaker 1: they got it right. They got G League guys that
Speaker 1: are already there that are twenty two years old and
Speaker 1: healthy right now and under their wing. It's like me,
Speaker 1: it's hit a miss, bro. It honestly is if you
Speaker 1: bringing in a ten year veteran. I'm thirty years old.
Speaker 1: I don't come with you're not that old. I'm thirty one.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying. What I'm saying is if you got
Speaker 1: a twenty two year old and you wasn't gonna give
Speaker 1: me the ball twenty times a play anyway, I mean
Speaker 1: twenty times a game anyway, why wouldn't you pay the
Speaker 1: twenty two year old? Do you think? Because I think
Speaker 1: I think of like a team like the Lakers that
Speaker 1: have lost a lot of their defensive credibility this year.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's on bron Man, Bron Bro,
Speaker 1: you know what time it is? Man? That's old you.
Speaker 1: S What do you think you know what time it is?
Speaker 1: That's old you, bro. You know you You could call
Speaker 1: Shy Mellow too. It ain't just on Braun, I lie Mellow.
Speaker 1: That's on YouTube. Man. If y'all want to hear nothing
Speaker 1: about y'all little defensive issues and leadership veteran issues and all,
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear that out of them too.
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you, like, as just from someone
Speaker 1: who's closer to you know, Bron and Mellow like you know,
Speaker 1: and also as a basketball guy, what do you think
Speaker 1: is wrong with the Lakers this year? Shit something doing
Speaker 1: an interview with you right now, that's their issue. She
Speaker 1: should be with them. No, uh no, for real, for real,
Speaker 1: I was playing, but I'm kind of serious, Like I
Speaker 1: really do feel like it's something that's I haven't been
Speaker 1: around the team to know exactly what it is, right,
Speaker 1: but to me, they don't get down together like I
Speaker 1: feel like they feel like they're hanging out. Well, I
Speaker 1: feel like they traded away a lot of that, right
Speaker 1: because if you think of like for sure, but I mean,
Speaker 1: there was a time that during that Calf season that
Speaker 1: Bron literally it stretched stressed the importance of us all
Speaker 1: hanging out together. Like I remember, was it the Halloween
Speaker 1: party with Steph always do stuff like it? Was it
Speaker 1: steph Cree tombstone? Was that what it was? I forget
Speaker 1: what it was. It was something like that. It was
Speaker 1: like a Warriors tombstone or something that one of Lebron's
Speaker 1: Halloween parties. Yeah, I don't remember that. That's that's fucking good.
Speaker 1: But so you you think it's just the fact that
Speaker 1: they don't really get down together like it just I
Speaker 1: don't think they got to a dance they haven't had
Speaker 1: a chance yet. You know what I'm saying, Like maybe
Speaker 1: COVID all this other stuff, like it just doesn't look
Speaker 1: like a bunch of guys that been hanging out and
Speaker 1: playing pick up against each other enough, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's like they don't know how to all
Speaker 1: the way get each other vibing. And that's you know,
Speaker 1: once you add Russell Westbrook, it changes a huge dame.
Speaker 1: Do you think that that was Do you think that
Speaker 1: that was the right decision? Think that was the right
Speaker 1: decision at all. I think that they would have rather
Speaker 1: have had Buddy Hill than kept Alex Caruso, because that's
Speaker 1: why I think it's better if it works better for Broun. Right,
Speaker 1: But you're also talking about nineteen years in Broun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's like, m there.
Speaker 1: I saw today that they were saying that the Lakers
Speaker 1: are it's okay to bring Russ if you got a
Speaker 1: nineteen year in Broun, because it's like Russell pushed that
Speaker 1: pace and if Lebron has to sit out two weeks,
Speaker 1: there's someone who is hold post, who can hold the
Speaker 1: Ford down. Let me ask you this, there there's a
Speaker 1: rumor going around that the Lakers are looking into Ben Simmons.
Speaker 1: If you're the Lakers GM, hypothetically Imon Schumper, you're the GM.
Speaker 1: We've seen it happen. James Jones is the Son's GM.
Speaker 1: He was in the league not long too long ago.
Speaker 1: If you could trade Russell Westbrook for Ben Simmons, would
Speaker 1: you make that swap? If I'm the Lakers, If you're
Speaker 1: the Lakers, you're making the swaps. That's fair for sure.
Speaker 1: But that's just me. That's my preference of basketball. It's
Speaker 1: it helps you a lot on on the defensive liability
Speaker 1: that's happening. You got the best perimeterive defensive guy in
Speaker 1: the league. It becomes great on defense. It ruins a
Speaker 1: lot offensively. It does scares them, which scares them, but
Speaker 1: it only ruins a lot offensively if you're not willing
Speaker 1: to take the challenge of what the challenge is when
Speaker 1: taking on Ben Simmons. The challenge of taking on Ben
Speaker 1: Simmons is he doesn't shoot threes. But it's not the
Speaker 1: we need him to. He just doesn't shoot threes. And
Speaker 1: it's okay. The moment everybody gets that ship out of
Speaker 1: their mind, he's gonna be fine. Who gives a fuck,
Speaker 1: DeMar don't shoot threes? The more we don't give as
Speaker 1: putting it in work right now, But listen to Simmons
Speaker 1: been putting in You're right right. I just think that
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons been putting in work. You don't fool y'all,
Speaker 1: So listen, don't fool y'all all self. For what Ben
Speaker 1: Simmons been out here now, I think he's been the
Speaker 1: best defensive player of the last three or four years.
Speaker 1: Fuck the defense, bro. Offensively is a bit of a
Speaker 1: liability though, no, he's not. He just doesn't shoot the three.
Speaker 1: He was if he was six foot two, y'all would
Speaker 1: not care that he can't shoot if he was six two.
Speaker 1: Because he's six 's eight and he lights skin. Y'all
Speaker 1: got an issue with this man not shooting. Are you
Speaker 1: saying he looks like a tall Steph Curry? Yes, that's
Speaker 1: precisely what I'm saying. That's literally what I'm telling y'all. Bro. Literally,
Speaker 1: if this dude was just dark skin, I don't think
Speaker 1: we would care. But he is supposed to technically, he's
Speaker 1: supposed to be able to shoot the three. And if
Speaker 1: I was a coach, I would not give a fuck
Speaker 1: if this boy shooting three. I can't believe he got
Speaker 1: this far without shooting three. I wish I could have
Speaker 1: got that far without shooting the three. Bro, I wish
Speaker 1: to death that coaches never turned me to three and D.
Speaker 1: I hate shooting threes. I've always hated it, never liked it.
Speaker 1: Felt like it was soft, made me look soft, made
Speaker 1: me feel soft. I didn't feel tough when I had
Speaker 1: to shoot hell of three's and people was like, why
Speaker 1: you you got to go back to that mode. I'm like, bro,
Speaker 1: they took the ball from me. I stand in the corner.
Speaker 1: I feel light skinned. I feel like the sun is
Speaker 1: not hitting me at all. Like that's how I felt,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I feel like I'm losing
Speaker 1: my superpowers standing over here. It's just not the same.
Speaker 1: And I feel like if the Lakers take on being Simmons,
Speaker 1: it's like, shuddy, if you let that man run point
Speaker 1: he pushing that tempo all game. Now you got him
Speaker 1: and Braun going back and forth, both of them point forwards.
Speaker 1: You changing the game. That's twin Towers at the PG.
Speaker 1: We've never seen that. Yeah. I just think I think
Speaker 1: AD's gotta I don't know, and then you got a d. Yeah,
Speaker 1: give me two shooters and let's go hoop. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: the fuck is? What the fuck is the other side
Speaker 1: gonna do? I just need the question, But yeah, I
Speaker 1: would pull the trigger on that. No disrespect and then
Speaker 1: you'd sign yourself to be no disrespect. God, you know
Speaker 1: how you down which you sure go to war with
Speaker 1: you against you or whatever. Man, there's no disrespect to you.
Speaker 1: But if I'm being a GM boy, I'm getting that
Speaker 1: ring kid a couple of quick ones. The most frustrating
Speaker 1: player you ever had to guard, James Harden. He learned
Speaker 1: how to bend that rule book loophole. God, the best
Speaker 1: I've ever seen it done. The best I've ever seen
Speaker 1: it done. He's like an old white man for taxes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna get the both out of it. He's gonna
Speaker 1: get you heres return. You're gonna think you have to
Speaker 1: spend one hundred grand in taxes out the window. He's
Speaker 1: gonna get your back. That's hell right there. But he,
Speaker 1: James Is, he figured out a way to like and
Speaker 1: for everything that you got on him, he figures out
Speaker 1: the loophole by next year, like that one foot shot
Speaker 1: just became from people. You just start picking up his
Speaker 1: footwork too good, and he came with a one foot
Speaker 1: three yeah, And people thought it was the joke during
Speaker 1: the summer, and it was not a joke. He started
Speaker 1: shooting it in the game. It's unbelievable somebody got the
Speaker 1: balls to shoot a one foot float or three. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. Off a step back, what about someone who
Speaker 1: you feel like you had your biggest personal rival on
Speaker 1: the court, somebody who you know, maybe there was a
Speaker 1: little personal tension where you know, maybe you guys went
Speaker 1: to war so much that it kind of felt like,
Speaker 1: you know, there was there was like some serious energy
Speaker 1: at a certain point in your career whenever you would
Speaker 1: step on the court with someone. Hmmm. I ain't never
Speaker 1: really had nobody go like really bad blood with me.
Speaker 1: I feel like there was a time. Wasn't there a
Speaker 1: time you got in trouble for trying to go into
Speaker 1: the locker room to fight somebody after the game. Oh, Nurkics, Nurkics, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's he was doing the NBA talk And I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to get the on the court tech.
Speaker 1: But it was like it was just we end up
Speaker 1: having a conversation afterwards. I believe I forgot who who
Speaker 1: set it up for us, but I ended up talking
Speaker 1: to him. But I think the next time we played
Speaker 1: or some shit squashed it. But it was a I
Speaker 1: felt like some of the shit he was doing. And
Speaker 1: one of the things he said it was like, Bro,
Speaker 1: there's a slow mode replay, like you realize my daughter,
Speaker 1: somebody on the street might really think this is how
Speaker 1: this go, like they might think they really, Finnah get
Speaker 1: this off. And I'm letting you know, bro, we don't
Speaker 1: get that off. Like I told him when I was
Speaker 1: coming to the locker room. I told him on the court,
Speaker 1: and I think everybody thought because we won, I just
Speaker 1: was like gonna let it go. And I took off
Speaker 1: and went through the back. And you know what's crazy
Speaker 1: is they made it a big thing. Like I walked
Speaker 1: over there and people was like holding me back and
Speaker 1: all this other bullshit and it wasn't, bro, Like I
Speaker 1: knew how to get there through this. I went through
Speaker 1: the back, locker room everything to where I just popped
Speaker 1: up and I'm at his locker room, gee, and I'm
Speaker 1: like come out, come out here and have a conversation
Speaker 1: with me. G Really, I don't even know if I
Speaker 1: was gonna fight him or not. Yeah, we gotta have
Speaker 1: a talk, bro, cause y'all just this NBA shit is
Speaker 1: to y'all going too far, bro. And I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know where we at, Like you can't tell
Speaker 1: me it's on deck like that, and then I get
Speaker 1: out the uber and you're right there, bro, because once
Speaker 1: it's on deck, it's on deck. So it's like, I'm
Speaker 1: not you know what I'm saying, Like I don't know
Speaker 1: how to do that. Every time somebody told me it's
Speaker 1: on sight, it was really on site. That's real shit.
Speaker 1: And I'm fighting for you know what I'm saying, I'm
Speaker 1: not really just it ain't no the teacher gonna break
Speaker 1: it up, fight, you know what I'm saying. It's like
Speaker 1: I donet been in a fight that took two minutes
Speaker 1: long like you have been to fight. Take two minutes, bro,
Speaker 1: It's the longest shit in the world. Two minutes is
Speaker 1: a long fight, a long street. You fighting. If you're
Speaker 1: fighting for twenty seconds, it feels but ain't nobody helping?
Speaker 1: It's like if ain't nobody help, ain't nobody here? To
Speaker 1: break you two minutes a very long fight. So that's
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking of. I'm thinking more like that, Like, bro,
Speaker 1: if we pop out in a club, what I'm supposed
Speaker 1: to just act like we're cool now, Like after you
Speaker 1: say some shit like that, like you do some shit
Speaker 1: like that. Like he's he was just like too, I
Speaker 1: don't know, it was too, like whatever, deal with it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, ain't no, deal with it? Like, ain't no.
Speaker 1: And then he's like saying a different language and through
Speaker 1: a couple of you know, through a couple of American
Speaker 1: curse words at me. I'm sweaty. I ain't going for that.
Speaker 1: I don't like it. That's all I ran back there.
Speaker 1: But I ain't never had nobody that I'm like looking
Speaker 1: for in the league, Like I've never had nothing like that.
Speaker 1: I just think he just took it a little too
Speaker 1: far when he shouldered me. Who do you think is
Speaker 1: the most underrated player that you ever share the court
Speaker 1: within the NBA? Just someone who doesn't get enough love,
Speaker 1: enough flowers for how good they are or what they
Speaker 1: bring to the game. J Smith Jr. Jr. Smith, I
Speaker 1: think uh. At one point I even told j he
Speaker 1: was like he was talking to me like, I'm like, bro,
Speaker 1: I don't know who you think I am. Bro, but
Speaker 1: I used to play with you in the video games,
Speaker 1: Oh for sure on two K with with the Nuggets
Speaker 1: and with the Hornets like he was. At one point though,
Speaker 1: it was like, but that's what I mean about the league.
Speaker 1: Like I remember when he was on the Nuggets he
Speaker 1: was having like like I think he had a fifty
Speaker 1: point game. Yeah, like he he's like I said, he
Speaker 1: when Jerr is hot, it's automatic. But it was like,
Speaker 1: because so many people put him into that category of
Speaker 1: like he's got to be hot, he's streaky, he's he's
Speaker 1: got behavior problem. It's like, Bro, he was eighteen, y'all
Speaker 1: put him in the league and gave him some money.
Speaker 1: He's gonna make like he had to grow up in
Speaker 1: front of everybody. I'm like, Bro, that sucks, and now
Speaker 1: y'all putting him in a weird role. Y'all talking about
Speaker 1: my dog. Like at one point, jay'all was talking to me,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Bro, you are j R. Smith. I don't
Speaker 1: know what the fuck you're talking about right now? You're JR. Smith.
Speaker 1: Don't forget that. Yeah, Like, I don't know what you
Speaker 1: want right now. I used to play video games with you,
Speaker 1: fam like not shoulder to shoulder, motherfucker. Like I'm going
Speaker 1: on the fantasy draft to make sure I got JR.
Speaker 1: Smith on my roster. Like, you not gonna talk to
Speaker 1: me like that, Bro, you gonna talk to me like
Speaker 1: you JR. Smith. I think you're gonna teach me shit
Speaker 1: that JR. Smith should be teaching me, and you gonna
Speaker 1: walk first, like you know what I'm saying. Like that's
Speaker 1: how I felt about Jr. Because it's like bro y'all.
Speaker 1: Like even when on that team, it was like people
Speaker 1: didn't understand I'm still twenty twenty one year old. That
Speaker 1: was like I went from being at Druig Detect, lockout hitting,
Speaker 1: I'm at Chicago. I'm really I mean in Chicago just
Speaker 1: kicking it. I got the homies, we I got ready
Speaker 1: for the for the league. Shit literally just playing with
Speaker 1: my homies every day. We just playing ball in the gym.
Speaker 1: We're doing our own sprint drills. Yeah. I wasn't paying
Speaker 1: a train or nothing. It was just going for blood,
Speaker 1: playing ball every day with them talking shit. So it
Speaker 1: was like, Bro, I went from that to Mello's my teammate.
Speaker 1: Amari's my teammate, Tyson, Baron Davis, Mike Bibbie. I'm looking around, like, motherfucker,
Speaker 1: my baby was on that team. Treon Smith, you just
Speaker 1: came from China to play on my team. Like, I'm
Speaker 1: like this, they don't bro, I'm throwing them. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I th I throw this ship to Jay All today.
Speaker 1: So he caught that backwards. I just I think Jr.
Speaker 1: Like is underappreciated, But I also think like, oh no,
Speaker 1: he's still everybody's favorite. I just think people love him, yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, but underappreciated and undervalued as a player. He
Speaker 1: should have never touched in a hundred million dollar contract.
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. Like, we're not gonna sit here
Speaker 1: and like it's just other players that got paid just
Speaker 1: because they were a good guy. And I didn't like that.
Speaker 1: There were some players that got guys. What was that
Speaker 1: one weird year where everyone got paid that shouldn't have
Speaker 1: got paid. It's just timing of the negotiation. It was
Speaker 1: the year, the lockout year. The lockout year happened. We
Speaker 1: had to put that new uh CBA in place. The
Speaker 1: name of that dude that got paid that when it
Speaker 1: was on the Lakers llewell. Dan got paid, but he
Speaker 1: actually was solid. But there was the white dude that
Speaker 1: got super paid who ended up It wasn't Mons, it
Speaker 1: wasn't Yeah, it was moscof He didn't get super paid
Speaker 1: for no reason. Though Mai was serving chips. He had
Speaker 1: a great finals. They didn't use him after that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it did make him
Speaker 1: the next year. It probably did look like he wasn't ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he had a great finals. If not used properly,
Speaker 1: everybody in the league looks like ship. Okay, what about this?
Speaker 1: What would you Is there anything that you would say
Speaker 1: you like your biggest regret about your career, biggest regret?
Speaker 1: That was one point that uh. They was bringing me
Speaker 1: into office with the Knicks and Mike Woodson was basically
Speaker 1: telling me, I need you to play two guard, like
Speaker 1: I need you to for what this team needs to
Speaker 1: be and no disrespect to Raymond Felton, who at the
Speaker 1: time was running the ball club. For me to grow
Speaker 1: into what I felt like I was gonna become, Like
Speaker 1: I always felt like like I wanted to be Jason Kidd,
Speaker 1: but I always felt like I was Penny. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm Penny Hardaway like I'm the big point guard that
Speaker 1: is gonna do funck shit that looks like a two
Speaker 1: guard at times. But I just don't want to play
Speaker 1: two guard. I'd much rather play point and y'all go
Speaker 1: get me somebody that wants to shoot it every time.
Speaker 1: But I don't want like somebody that's like trying to
Speaker 1: figure it out like I wanted an asshole. I want
Speaker 1: a complete dickhead at too. Like right, like, people didn't
Speaker 1: understand why I loved Buddy Hill so much and why
Speaker 1: he played so well when I was there, Buddy healed.
Speaker 1: Is what I'm talking about when I say a complete asshole,
Speaker 1: and not an asshole with how he takes direction or
Speaker 1: anything like that, but an asshole in a regard that
Speaker 1: I could look you in the eye, Buddy and say,
Speaker 1: do not shoot this shot. I don't care how open
Speaker 1: it is. Don't shoot this shot. When I throw it
Speaker 1: to him. If a motherfucker ain't in his face all
Speaker 1: over him, he's shooting it because no amount of pressure,
Speaker 1: no side bet, it ain't nothing that could go on
Speaker 1: in his mind that make him feel like he's about
Speaker 1: to miss this shot. He is completely invested in saying
Speaker 1: I've never missed a shot in my life, and I
Speaker 1: love it because you need a motherfucker like that. That's
Speaker 1: a superpower to be able to shoot an airball, shoot
Speaker 1: it off the glass, and then come down to shoot
Speaker 1: all unbelievable while everybody figure out what they gonna do
Speaker 1: and they see, oh, why are you shooting that? Everybody
Speaker 1: got everything to say, you come down and get that.
Speaker 1: He's shooting four out of four every time I throw
Speaker 1: it to him. It was like I wanted that, and
Speaker 1: I wanted to be Penny, and I had that moment
Speaker 1: in that locker room with Woody. I could have just
Speaker 1: I feel like I should have just tore up the
Speaker 1: locker room when I got traded. I watched Mellow tear
Speaker 1: up the locker room, just throw chair and do all
Speaker 1: the fun shit, and I was like, that's what I
Speaker 1: should have did, and I should have said, trade me, wow,
Speaker 1: trade me, because I'm not playing too. I play point.
Speaker 1: This is how I play. This is how you get
Speaker 1: the most out of me, Like if you take me
Speaker 1: out of that, and I never did this other shit
Speaker 1: before I become something else. And in my mind I
Speaker 1: was trying to hope, like I was just gonna growing
Speaker 1: too this player that you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: maybe I play point guard at the end of the
Speaker 1: game now, but I start off playing two guard and
Speaker 1: then I'm averaging more like maybe it could work out.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to like dive into it. And it just
Speaker 1: felt like, all right, Bro, y'all just switched me to
Speaker 1: a three and D guy and now I just got
Speaker 1: less responsibility. But you had a great career. I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: you had a great career for sure, but you asked
Speaker 1: me what I will regret now. I regret doing that
Speaker 1: because I felt a different path. I just wanted to
Speaker 1: play point guard, Bro, Like, even though we won a championship,
Speaker 1: that's what I wanted to do. That's not how I
Speaker 1: wanted to do it. Last thing Jordan of Lebron, who's
Speaker 1: the goat? Jordan? Yeah, okay, like brou you by doll.
Speaker 1: You know this though? Bro argue this about this? Though
Speaker 1: he take that just he like is he conscientious about that? Show? Laughs?
Speaker 1: Is that ship? Bro? Because I feel like he is
Speaker 1: getting the conversation. Why the fuck? I mean, I feel
Speaker 1: like he is the conversations getting compared to Michael Jordan
Speaker 1: though we having real life arguments in barbershops about who's
Speaker 1: better between him and Mike. Let me ask you, this
Speaker 1: go get bad for he don't get mad Bron. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying about Broun. That's raw as fuck to
Speaker 1: me because me personally, I would be like, Mike gotta
Speaker 1: play me one on one, funk all that we're streaming
Speaker 1: this ship right because because for real, for real, I
Speaker 1: low key think Mike so competitive, Bro, Mike could come
Speaker 1: out of retirement right now to play and do it
Speaker 1: one hell yeah and take an L. Calm down, they
Speaker 1: take a serious L. You gotta call you. You ain't
Speaker 1: seen Mike who for the while, I don't need to
Speaker 1: see it right now Lebron versus right now? Do you
Speaker 1: know how Mike Jordan? You ain't never seen it? Though
Speaker 1: you've never seen Mike. Just you seen Michael Jordan person. No,
Speaker 1: you've never seen him just sitting down and just get
Speaker 1: up in his street clothes. No, I've heard about it
Speaker 1: though he does it all the time, bro, And every
Speaker 1: time you think like this thig can't dunk no one.
Speaker 1: But don't you think Lebron has had the level of
Speaker 1: competition has been a lot more insane for Lebron. Are
Speaker 1: you being serious right now? Very much? So, you're being
Speaker 1: dead serious. Bro. Okay, you're being dead serious right now.
Speaker 1: Do you know what Michael Jordan had to deal with? Bro?
Speaker 1: We can go over his finals opponents and go over
Speaker 1: Lebron's finals opponents, and you tell me who had the
Speaker 1: tougher teams. You tell me who lost. Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 1: But he also played the Trailblazers. He played what was
Speaker 1: wrong with the Trailblazer I mean they have they have
Speaker 1: a super team. Lebron had to play. It's a dick
Speaker 1: sucking statement. Lebron had to Jesus Christ, this is only
Speaker 1: a statement that will retired to Emon Shuffer could make
Speaker 1: love this saying we're talking ball. So listen. So Lebron
Speaker 1: had to go through and and O five. He had
Speaker 1: to play peak or was it O seven? Rather was
Speaker 1: seven five? He went to the finals against the Spurs.
Speaker 1: He's been quite a few times. Well, the first time
Speaker 1: he went against the Spurs. That was the first kind
Speaker 1: of incarnation of the Spurs dynasty before Kawhi. Right, So
Speaker 1: that's like peak, Manu. So you think Mike and Scotty
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna blow that out? We'd have beat the Spurs
Speaker 1: for zero and send them the fuck home. I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: We just shook pop hand like a great guy. Pop.
Speaker 1: The Jazz took the Bulls. I think I think y'all
Speaker 1: the Cavaliers would have swept the Jazz for we're not
Speaker 1: talking about the Cavaliers. The Bulls didn't sweep the Jazz.
Speaker 1: It was it was. It was a serious series. We
Speaker 1: got Lebron James. We could match up with the Jazz.
Speaker 1: I could get over a screen. We could deal with Johns.
Speaker 1: He that he played a Thunder team with Kevin Durant,
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook and James Harden in the finals. We could
Speaker 1: have matched up with that with the Bulls. Maam, think
Speaker 1: about it. I got Ron Harp of six six. Who
Speaker 1: was gonna guard Mike on that Thunder team? It wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna be KD. He don't want to do it. Who
Speaker 1: was gonna guard Mike? What I'm saying, who was gonna
Speaker 1: guard him? So you think that because Scotty p was
Speaker 1: gonna guard you think they Scotty Pe was gonna guard KD.
Speaker 1: Mike was defensive team. He was gonna take Russ, who
Speaker 1: we gotta deal with James Carden off the bench. Six men. Okay,
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying, Who's gonna deal with who coach?
Speaker 1: When he come off the bench at six eleven? We
Speaker 1: coming to Partygebaca. So you mean to tell me you
Speaker 1: so cute? You think that's so cute? You think so
Speaker 1: you think the Bulls had tougher competition in the finals.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, don't violate the Bulls. Bro. Not compare these
Speaker 1: new teams. None of them bulls Bro. I don't think
Speaker 1: y'all remember how them Bulls played. Listen, I don't think
Speaker 1: y'all remember I watched I. I don't think I got
Speaker 1: to the NBA. I got to the NBA watching these niggas.
Speaker 1: They wasn't playing with these people. They're not finna play
Speaker 1: none of these games, none of them. You don't remember
Speaker 1: when Gary Payton was giving us a hard time? What
Speaker 1: Phiel do? Hey, Scottie? Deal with this man ninety four feet?
Speaker 1: I like how he speaks as as a wei perspective
Speaker 1: with the Bulls. What you mean were not going. We
Speaker 1: never went. We're not having it. Yeah, it's gotta be
Speaker 1: dope to see the Bulls will be good again? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: We wrong? We we cold the Seal right now. And
Speaker 1: speaking of we, the Cavaliers are cold again. Mobley's doing
Speaker 1: a great job. Mobley's but that's not we. Oh so okay,
Speaker 1: So once you're not a Cavalier for life, you watch
Speaker 1: the Cavaliers within the sixteen team. I don't know these
Speaker 1: new guys. I feel like I don't go to war
Speaker 1: with them, okay, because I feel like Cleveland will always
Speaker 1: look at you as like when it like, I like Cleveland.
Speaker 1: You said the Calves though, so no, they traded something.
Speaker 1: They traded them. Yeah, twenty sixteen Calves love them. Everybody else?
Speaker 1: Bullshit there it is man, big top bulls guy. Oh man, Hey,
Speaker 1: do you think my sons have a shot out of
Speaker 1: chip this year? The Suns? Yeah? I don't know, man.
Speaker 1: Last year was y'all, y'all it was our chance, right,
Speaker 1: It's gonna be tough this year. I mean, we've been
Speaker 1: doing all right. It's not even about y'all doing all right.
Speaker 1: It's about if who's your pick off the top of
Speaker 1: your head right now, who's your pick to be in
Speaker 1: the finals? Two teams la Lakers and Clippers. Gotta ask?
Speaker 1: Obviously it's the Lakers, right, or is it the Clippers.
Speaker 1: Kawhi comes back. Maybe they make something happen. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: Lakes show. And every time people do that to me,
Speaker 1: when they say the Lakers are Clippers, it always throws
Speaker 1: me off. It throws me off too. I just have
Speaker 1: to when you said that, I had to think about
Speaker 1: the Clippers roster for a second just to make sure
Speaker 1: I wasn't completely leaving them out. But no, they're not
Speaker 1: gonna I don't feel like they got It'll be either
Speaker 1: the Lakers and the Bulls or m hm. Maybe I
Speaker 1: just wanted to be the Lakers and the Bulls, but
Speaker 1: it's gonna be. I don't really like a lot of
Speaker 1: teams in the East right now. It ain't that they're
Speaker 1: not good. I just don't like them. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: like I mean, I hear. I just don't like you
Speaker 1: to even say that to foreshadow, because everyone, we all
Speaker 1: thought the Nets would have been the team, but it's not.
Speaker 1: That's not the Nests yet. Kyrie Shilling, y'all gotta remember
Speaker 1: that man. Ain't there, Mama, that go that man? That
Speaker 1: man at home? Right now? They always say Kyrie, and
Speaker 1: I think Kyrie to me is like as far as
Speaker 1: like handles and just skill wise is probably top five ever.
Speaker 1: But but sure would you would you put him up there? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean who else is up there? It ain't a
Speaker 1: lot of motherfuckers up there. I think he's got the
Speaker 1: best handles I've ever seen. But we got who we
Speaker 1: got him, Jamal Crawford. Uh I think. I think when
Speaker 1: I watched when I watched Kyrie play, and it's in
Speaker 1: slow motion and it looks like art. Like when you
Speaker 1: see Kyrie in slow motion in his bag, it's like
Speaker 1: watching art. Dude, it's the craziest show. But it's only
Speaker 1: like a couple of put in there putting that many guys.
Speaker 1: It ain't that many guys with a nasty handle. Like
Speaker 1: everybody just got a handle for what they need to score,
Speaker 1: Like Kyrie got a handle that It's like if you
Speaker 1: need him to dribble out the clock, ain't nobody touching
Speaker 1: that ball. Uh So your project coming out top of
Speaker 1: your hopefully? Yeah, man, this car ain't stolen? Is wife
Speaker 1: he going to be on the project. She's not on
Speaker 1: the project. You know, she's done with music. She's just done.
Speaker 1: She's done with features, done with it all. I can't
Speaker 1: speak for you know what I'm saying, I'm hoping that
Speaker 1: the energy is stays positive and she continues because I
Speaker 1: don't want her to stop, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: But I feel like she's so talented and like somehow
Speaker 1: still hasn't even met her peak yet. But that's the issue.
Speaker 1: That's why she wanted to stop, because it's like whatever
Speaker 1: that wall is, she doesn't understand the wall. And it's like, now,
Speaker 1: if it's going to like hurt her mentally, it's not
Speaker 1: worth dealing with, you know what I'm saying. She's like,
Speaker 1: I've been doing that for so long and it hasn't
Speaker 1: brought me to happiness I need. And before it becomes
Speaker 1: a point where she doesn't love music or to affect
Speaker 1: like you said, if it affects your happiness, and it's
Speaker 1: like a piece some of that is like I want
Speaker 1: to continue to love music, and it becomes now I
Speaker 1: think of music and it's like it becomes work, like
Speaker 1: I got to figure out how to do this or
Speaker 1: how she wants it to be. Like she goes to
Speaker 1: the studio and it just be care free again and
Speaker 1: just making music and singing with a hard and it
Speaker 1: ain't all this thought like you don't want to come
Speaker 1: out in the label already, like yeah, well could you
Speaker 1: think you could say this? And it's like all that.
Speaker 1: After a while, it's like I can't imagine fifteen years
Speaker 1: of somebody keeping me in a box and trying to
Speaker 1: Oh this is hot right now you should follow behind
Speaker 1: this girl. And it's like, dog, like, I just want
Speaker 1: to do my thing and turn my album in y'all,
Speaker 1: put the money behind it, go out to that, let
Speaker 1: me shoot my videos, let me go do my show.
Speaker 1: That's how. And it's like once it's done, once it's
Speaker 1: not that harmony, Like I can understand that for her
Speaker 1: doing it for so long, it's like it got to
Speaker 1: be a headache. So I get it. But I just
Speaker 1: hope that it's so point she comes back because she's incredible.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like I spend that album
Speaker 1: before I go to sleep, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm still a fan, even though I my husband, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So it's like I still want
Speaker 1: her to come back. So I don't, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, put too much pressure on anything. We just
Speaker 1: sort of let it happen, let the energy happen. Hope
Speaker 1: she comes back. We'll listen to the album. Hopefully we
Speaker 1: get it soon, y'all can get that. Get that hey,
Speaker 1: hopefully we see you on a basketball court again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very possible. I feel like the Lakers is a
Speaker 1: very very serious candidate to bring him on Trumper back
Speaker 1: to the league. It would make sense. You have so
Speaker 1: many friends on the team. You bring a set of
Speaker 1: skills that they need. I crazy sometimes I'd be feeling
Speaker 1: like I'll be like, man, after a while, they just
Speaker 1: gonna have me sit there and they gonna want me
Speaker 1: to be an announcer of some ship, bro because I'm like,
Speaker 1: motherfucker want to talk about it with me so much?
Speaker 1: I'm like, can I put one thing into the world.
Speaker 1: I'd like to see in the next five years. I
Speaker 1: want to see you and j R. Smith do a
Speaker 1: podcast together. Oh that was gonna happen eventually anyway, not
Speaker 1: an actual like you mean like is Yeah, that'd be
Speaker 1: musty TV. I fel like if you guys were living
Speaker 1: in the same city and you guys could do a
Speaker 1: podcast once a week, once a month, switch, I ain't
Speaker 1: doing shit that is. I'm telling you that is a
Speaker 1: bag that on the Swish. I ain't doing ship. Boy,
Speaker 1: you guys been go tapping with Bill Simmons at the
Speaker 1: Ring or somebody, and they would that is That is
Speaker 1: the podcast, the Emon and the Swish podcast. Will you
Speaker 1: guys just talk ship? What I'm actually doing the podcast?
Speaker 1: My podcast is uh is coming, So that's coming. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's with me and my brother though, okay, but me
Speaker 1: and my brother is probably uh, that's probably gonna be
Speaker 1: all best look at barbershop talk because my brother is like,
Speaker 1: he's like you, he plays the fan the fan card,
Speaker 1: but he like it's like serious. Oh yeah, it's like, no,
Speaker 1: fuck you. I am extremely invested in sports. I gamble
Speaker 1: every fucking day. I love having the league, but I
Speaker 1: love I do. I gotta say that too, because I
Speaker 1: talked about fans that go out of their way and
Speaker 1: say a lot of ship. But it's like, without these
Speaker 1: fans talking ship and creating the energy, a lot of
Speaker 1: the basketball that we play ain't the same. You need heckless,
Speaker 1: you need it, like it's all part of it. It
Speaker 1: all adds to the energy. It's all good. Like for
Speaker 1: forty eight minutes, hate me, bro, Yeah, for forty eight minutes,
Speaker 1: y'all can hate me say anything. I almost got into
Speaker 1: it last year. I almost fought one of Patrick Beverley's
Speaker 1: friends in Phoenix because I was like down in the
Speaker 1: that's not smart. Well no, I was fucking shit faced
Speaker 1: and this was this was the game. This is the
Speaker 1: game when when Patrick Beverly like cheap shot of the
Speaker 1: ship out of Chris Paul you remember, ohh And I
Speaker 1: was like, fuck Pa Beverly. Oh and I'm fucking like blackout.
Speaker 1: You know, my son's having me good in eleven years.
Speaker 1: So I'm just like excited to be at a Western
Speaker 1: Conference final game and the guy turns right and say, hey,
Speaker 1: that's my bro. Watch your mouth. And I was like,
Speaker 1: mind you. This guy's by himself. I'm in Arizona with
Speaker 1: a bunch of my essay homies. I say, hey, bro,
Speaker 1: you know where the fuck you're out. You're in fucking Phoenix.
Speaker 1: This isn't fucking La or Sugar, wherever the fuck you're from.
Speaker 1: That I was drunk. I was drunk. Thanks God, Dicey,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But hey, hey, I appreciate you.
Speaker 1: I know I was. I was feeling myself, said I was.
Speaker 1: I went for it. You want a freestyle? Are we
Speaker 1: doing a freestyle, they usually wrap, let's fucking go. Man, Hey,
Speaker 1: I did not know we were doing Yo. This is
Speaker 1: a treat. This is a treat. Let's do this. What
Speaker 1: beat you any beat you want, we'll get. You're talking
Speaker 1: about naz and Easy Essence? Which ence? Are you talking about?
Speaker 1: A whiz kid? Which kid? Okay, well listen, there is
Speaker 1: a nas and Easy record called Essence that was nominated. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Actually I'm gonna go get this two waters before you wrap, perfectly,
Speaker 1: all right,