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Speaker 2: Good evening, Steeler Nation. How we doing well? That's good

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Speaker 2: us too, our number two west Huler, Matt Williamson, you

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Speaker 2: know the drill. It's the Drive here on Steelers Nation

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Speaker 2: Radio on the Steelers Audio Network. And we will get

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Speaker 2: some tweets before we get up out of here today, Matt,

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Speaker 2: I always do a bat on Thursdays. I mean to

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Speaker 2: plug that at the beginning of the show, and I

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Speaker 2: always forget, but we had a lot going on today

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Speaker 2: and wanted to talk to labs about Elsie Greenwood. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: to make sure to give a big birthday shout out

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Speaker 2: to our guy Dale. But we will get to some

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Speaker 2: tweets before we get up out of here. So if

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Speaker 2: you want to lob those in like a grenade, you

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Speaker 2: are welcome to at Williamson NFL at Westley Yueler as

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Speaker 2: always is where you can get involved. Matt, some more

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Speaker 2: stats to go through here. I want to talk about

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Speaker 2: the Steelers defense with you a little bit, and you

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Speaker 2: and I a couple of times this week, and I

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Speaker 2: think even towards the tail end of last week, shows

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Speaker 2: like like Thursday and Friday of last week's shows, and

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Speaker 2: we were preparing and previewing for Cincinnati used terminology along

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Speaker 2: the lines of Steelers defense is getting better. They're rounding

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Speaker 2: out of the unit we thought that they should be.

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Speaker 2: And there was some pushback from that in our Twitter

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Speaker 2: mansions in the YouTube comments of like, hey, did you

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Speaker 2: guys watch the Rams game? I mean, come on, and

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Speaker 2: I think we did a good job of laying out

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Speaker 2: that eventually the dam broke in that game, Charges GA.

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Speaker 2: Sorry for la part of me.

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Speaker 3: I didn't think as a defensive performance.

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Speaker 2: I didn't either. I think eventually the dam broke, and

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Speaker 2: and and the.

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Speaker 3: And the Chargers made.

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Speaker 2: Some big play. But of the last twelve quarters of

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Speaker 2: football that the Steelers defense have played, I think a

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Speaker 2: ten or eleven of them have been very good.

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Speaker 3: Very strong. I mean not only just big plays and splash,

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Speaker 3: but the run defense numbers and eye tests have been

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Speaker 3: a thousand times better. Teams have actually started to abandon

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Speaker 3: the run against Steelers a little bit. That end of

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Speaker 3: Chargers game aside, because they were losing the time possession

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Speaker 3: battle so bad, and they've been good offenses. I mean,

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Speaker 3: that's the Bengals that's Herbert. The Colts are the best

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Speaker 3: offense probably in the league, you know, so they weren't

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Speaker 3: weak tests either. So I also think the eyeball test

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Speaker 3: and the moving safeties around, and Benton playing better and

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Speaker 3: Harmon being a quality player for you, some of the

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Speaker 3: depth guys great, Yeah, yeah, I mean a lot of

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Speaker 3: been a quality contributor, you know, those type of guys

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Speaker 3: that are not called on to do a ton, but

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Speaker 3: they've gotten better as well. So I like the Steelers

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Speaker 3: defense is that I still have questions about the offense.

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Speaker 3: I like where the Steeler defense is at.

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Speaker 2: And I love it when you know, this is my

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Speaker 2: favorite way to use stats and analytics when the numbers

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Speaker 2: kind of back up the eye test.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing with the packet I put together,

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Speaker 3: it's like, I think you really get a feel. It

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Speaker 3: doesn't always play out that way, but if you read

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Speaker 3: it all the way through, you're like, oh, they're good

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Speaker 3: at these things, are bad at these things. I can

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Speaker 3: see kind of getting the head of coaches and game

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Speaker 3: planners of them. Well, we're going to try to tack

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Speaker 3: them this way. That sort of thing. And again, it's

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Speaker 3: not predictive. I can't tell you the future, but it's

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Speaker 3: paint's pretty a picture.

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Speaker 2: And this stat that you've procured, I think paints the picture.

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Speaker 2: From weeks one through eight, so that would have been

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Speaker 2: through the Packers game correct with a buy in there,

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Speaker 2: Steelers defense allowed twenty five points a game, three hundred

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Speaker 2: and eighty six yards per game, two seventy three through

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Speaker 2: one point four takeaways per contest. Since Week nine, they

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Speaker 2: have allowed nineteen points per.

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Speaker 3: Game three games, right, yes, yes.

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Speaker 2: The last three games again twelve quarters right where I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, against quality opponents, against.

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Speaker 2: Quality you know, playoff opponents, and then a really good offense.

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Speaker 2: Still one of the best offense Cincinnati. No. Yeah, Since

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Speaker 2: week nine, they have allowed nineteen points per game, six

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Speaker 3: I wonder, off on top of my head, where nineteen

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Speaker 3: probably figure that out. Yeah, NFL points per game Google Boom,

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Speaker 3: you know they'll tell you these things on the internet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, could you imagine, like back in the day, having

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Speaker 3: You two would laugh at me. My kids laugh at me.

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Speaker 3: But me and my like fifty seven year old buddies

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Speaker 3: Where my life has been about half Internet half not

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Speaker 2: Know, I was a junior in college before I had

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Speaker 2: So as you can imagine same thing in those kind

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Speaker 3: Inning, Barry Bonds has more than Babe Ruth, Like, how

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Speaker 2: google this real quick. I remember those moments of like

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Speaker 3: My kids don't even like have the conversation, like it

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Speaker 2: No, it was Paccino who won the Oscar in ninety

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Speaker 2: five for heat. Yeah, Like it'd be like, how much.

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Speaker 3: Time do we wait we can look this up right right.

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Speaker 3: This stuff's all very available. So anyways, nineteen points per

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Speaker 3: game would rank ware seventh best. I'll take that all

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Speaker 3: day long. Sorry, six best, Okay, I mean, if you're

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Speaker 2: There's only six teams in the NFL that are under

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Speaker 2: Wait a second, there are just cattle, dude. I was one, two, three, four, five, six, seven.

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Speaker 2: There's seven, not six that are under twenty. Yes, now,

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Speaker 3: I said, that's like the only team that's below five

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Speaker 2: That is just absolutely insane.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, I mean going, I know it's only three games,

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Speaker 3: but you're allowing nineteen points over three games against three

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Speaker 3: good offenses. This is also two And that's also when

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Speaker 2: Within within reason, Like I don't care how good the

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Speaker 2: rounded within reason. I don't want them to be a

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Speaker 2: disaster in week four and it cost you games, which

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Speaker 2: ends up costing you a playoff spot. Every game matters, right,

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Speaker 2: but how well are you playing right now? Is is

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Speaker 2: it nineteen eighty five George? Orwell? All animals are created equal,

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Speaker 2: but some are created more equal than others. Every football

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Speaker 2: game matters, but some matter more. The ones in November

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Speaker 2: and December matter more than the ones in September.

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Speaker 3: That's why coaches watched the last four games, not Steelers,

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Speaker 2: You and I laid this out a million times in September.

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Speaker 2: I want to win games, but I want to be

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Speaker 2: clearly improving while I'm doing it right, right, right, right,

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Speaker 2: And I think this is proof in the putting not

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Speaker 3: As much as we follow this specific team, we were

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Speaker 3: pretty shocked with the bad results considering who the players

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Speaker 2: Know, probably probably was the Charger game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And wherever the lowest point the defense was, which

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Speaker 3: somewhere early Seattle possibly, I mean definitely the first couple.

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Speaker 2: Of words that Thursday night in Cincinnati. Oh yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: But whoever their low point is, I would definitely trust

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Speaker 3: the defense to turn it around more than the offense, totally,

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Speaker 3: no doubt. I mean, there's better players there, Matt.

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Speaker 2: Do you know they're the highest paid defense in the

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Speaker 2: NFL one hundred and eighty million dollars a year since

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Speaker 2: Week nine, nineteen points per game. Yeah, that's down an

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Speaker 2: average of six touchdown a game, touchdown game, six points

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Speaker 2: That's down fifty yards a game, two hundred and thirty

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Speaker 2: four passing. That's down forty yards a game.

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Speaker 3: Through the pass defenses got noticeably better.

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Speaker 2: And you're averaging one point three more takeaways per ton.

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Speaker 2: That's a ton ton. Yeah, And that's even with having

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Speaker 2: none against the Chargers.

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Speaker 3: Right, right, right, So this has been a three game sample.

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Speaker 3: If we could start from that line of demarcation three

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Speaker 3: games ago and finished the season maybe ten worse than that,

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Speaker 3: you get some tough games coming up, you got the bad,

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Speaker 3: You've got the Ravens. Good offense, you got some good offense,

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Speaker 3: no question, and just when they're playing is a good offense.

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Speaker 3: I'll take that all day long.

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Speaker 2: Miami is a good offense. Yeah, like Detroit's a good offense.

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Speaker 2: All, I met few more numbers, few more stats to

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Speaker 3: All right, I've but they're not new to me either.

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Speaker 2: You know a few more things you're Matt that stood

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Speaker 3: Now, contrary probably believe I am not an analytics expert.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna bring it, but I'm like, I don't.

439
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,159
Speaker 3: I don't want it to overshadow Dale's birthday. But anyway,

440
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 3: it's a nice T shirt. You point out to me.

441
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Speaker 2: I think Dale would like it.

442
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,040
Speaker 3: Oh, I definitely like it. But anyway, where was I

443
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:10,479
Speaker 3: going with this?

444
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 2: Oh? I think.

445
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,680
Speaker 3: Waits it more towards recent like they care about week one,

446
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 3: but they care more about week nine as it should

447
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 3: be right right, right right? I mean you may not.

448
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,359
Speaker 3: I mean think of the Bengals, like it's different playing

449
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,280
Speaker 3: Burrow versus Browning versus Laco.

450
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Speaker 2: I'm laing another one of these debates that you have

451
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Speaker 2: with your buddies. I got into this with some of

452
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 2: my friends a couple of days ago. You and I

453
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,640
Speaker 2: have talked when we do power rankings every Tuesday. Sometimes

454
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 2: it feels like you have to have a team ranked

455
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,679
Speaker 2: ahead of another because they just played they but if

456
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Speaker 2: it was weaked, if it was weaked, like, don't tell

457
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 2: me now, the Steelers have to be ahead of the

458
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Speaker 2: Patriots because the Steelers beat the Patriots exactly nine weeks ago,

459
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 2: right right, right, there's a huge debate in college football

460
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Speaker 2: right now about should Miami or Notre Dame potentially get

461
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Speaker 2: the last play off spot, the last playoff bid. Okay,

462
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 2: and all the Miami fans are screaming, we won head

463
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Speaker 2: ahead against Notre Dame this year. War better than that.

464
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Speaker 3: It was Week one, That doesn't matter.

465
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 2: It's Labor Day weekend in August. I'm like, guys, I'm sorry, I.

466
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Speaker 3: Don't doesn't carrys much away.

467
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,119
Speaker 2: It matters of the conversation, yes, but don't tell me

468
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 2: just all, Well, you gotta go with Miami because they

469
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Speaker 2: beat Notre Dame by three points three months ago, right exactly.

470
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Speaker 3: And you can. And that's the thing, the power, right

471
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Speaker 3: if we're talk about this a bunch like, well, then

472
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Speaker 3: you can find the one where this team beat this

473
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Speaker 3: team so, and this team beat this team, so they

474
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Speaker 3: should be ahead of this. No, it doesn't work that way.

475
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 3: You'll just run yourself in circle.

476
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Speaker 2: If that game was two or three weeks ago, it's

477
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Speaker 2: a different conversation, completely different conversation.

478
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Speaker 3: And I mean the Ravens without Lamar and when the

479
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 3: whole place was injured is different than beating them this week.

480
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Speaker 2: Completely different conversation.

481
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Speaker 3: Anyway. I don't over going that.

482
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 2: I don't either. But let's jump back into the stats

483
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 2: a couple more that I want to run past you here.

484
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 2: Steelers generate eighty eight point two rush yards per game.

485
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Speaker 2: That's fourth lowest.

486
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,919
Speaker 3: That bothers because that's really indictive pretty much of the

487
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Speaker 3: whole season.

488
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Speaker 2: Matt. Do you remember what the yards per rush attempt

489
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 2: number was last year that we said had to get better?

490
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Speaker 3: I think there are four to one.

491
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 2: They were at four to one. Yeah, they're at three

492
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Speaker 2: eight five.

493
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Speaker 3: Now I say that has not gotten better.

494
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 2: It's gotten worse, gotten worse. And that for an for

495
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Speaker 2: a number like this, for an exercise like this, for

496
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Speaker 2: a volume category like thousandplies, and that's a pretty substantial dropoff.

497
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Speaker 3: Remember we see one's not good enough.

498
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 2: We said four ones not good enough. Get the four three,

499
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Speaker 2: four to four.

500
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we weren't asking I think the Ravens were

501
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Speaker 3: at like five to two leading the league.

502
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Speaker 2: We weren't asking for five too. You know, Jonathan Taylor

503
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Speaker 2: Baltimore Ravens type.

504
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Speaker 3: Numbers, and you don't have a chan who's busting off

505
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 3: huge long ones. And that's part of the problem over

506
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 3: the last couple of years is they have no home

507
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 3: run naters. But that doesn't mean you can be last

508
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Speaker 3: or I mean you were ones not good enough.

509
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 2: If you're gonna survive without home run hitters, you better

510
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 2: be able to run the ball better than four to

511
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 2: one point yards per totes, certainly better than three point

512
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 2: eight five fifth lowest in the NFL.

513
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, that ain't cutting it.

514
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 2: And just two point six percent of runs are explosive,

515
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 2: worst in the NFL. Is this a Chicago defense allowing

516
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 2: five point two yards per carry fourth highest in the league,

517
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 2: fifth highest explosive run rate. Health status we know tbd.

518
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 2: He was limited today in practice for those who missed

519
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 2: it with Jalen Warren at his ankle. But man, I

520
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 2: feel like you got to the defense is coming along

521
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 2: and proving doing what we expected them to do. The

522
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 2: final piece of if you want me to truly believe

523
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 2: that we can get to January and this postseason can

524
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 2: be different than the last handful of years. This is

525
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 2: something that's got to start getting better, and it's got

526
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Speaker 2: to start maybe this Sunday at Soldier Field.

527
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would love to see five point one per

528
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Speaker 3: carry this week, and when you break it down, especially

529
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 3: over the course of the entire year, I don't think

530
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 3: the Steelers have bottom of league ball carriers.

531
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Speaker 2: I don't think. I mean they were running back game like.

532
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 2: I don't think they're the twenty eighth best rushing attack

533
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Speaker 2: in the league.

534
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Speaker 3: I don't either. I mean, like again, I think there

535
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 3: are lines coming around. Guys like Washington are great blockers. Now,

536
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 3: you don't get a ton out of Austin, who's been

537
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 3: on the field a ton. But if he's your eleventh

538
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 3: best blocker, tenth best blocker on the field, everyone has

539
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 3: somebody like that, so be it. You're not counting on

540
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 3: him to spring long runs anyhow. But Metcalfel block, Friar

541
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 3: Muth and John who being out there, bigger bodies. I

542
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 3: don't think it's one problem like boy, your left guard again,

543
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 3: block of soul, or you know, tight ends don't do anything,

544
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:48,239
Speaker 3: or you know. To me, it's lack of volume. Like

545
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 3: A big reason we talked so much about getting four

546
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 3: to one to four three four four is well, you

547
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 3: know you're going to be a run heavy team, so

548
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Speaker 3: you better be good at it.

549
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 2: When you run the ball four hundred sometimes a season.

550
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 3: Right that this turns into a big difference. How much

551
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 3: per game.

552
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 4: Is extra quarter yard per carry? And Zoe, it's a

553
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 4: long way, right and.

554
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 2: By the way, it gets you more first downs, extends drives,

555
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 2: more possessions. Your defense rested on the sideline thousand perc.

556
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 3: So I I was not shocked because I do it

557
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 3: every week. But I am shocked. Like if you asked Latrobe,

558
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 3: Matt and Wes, what where would the Steelers be on

559
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 3: Dale's birthday? In terms of run pass percentage? They're the

560
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 3: twelfth heaviest pass team. I don't think that's how it's designed.

561
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Speaker 3: And I understand. We can blame Rogers. We can praise Rogers.

562
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 3: He's better than Russ Trubisky. You know those guys had

563
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 3: to be.

564
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Speaker 2: Quarterback the Steelers have had since twenty nineteen.

565
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Speaker 3: Or we can blame him and say he's checking out

566
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Speaker 3: of too many runs and we don't know that answer.

567
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Speaker 3: But I think you want to be the eighteenth heaviest

568
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 3: run team, the twentieth heaviest our past team. I mean,

569
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like I want to be

570
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 3: on the run heavy side of that equation.

571
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Speaker 2: Top fifteen in run you know, percentage or whatever.

572
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 3: Yes, and in the and you're not always coming from behind,

573
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 3: you're not getting blown out because like Tennessee's high on

574
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 3: that list because they're always losing by a million in

575
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter. But that's not hasn't been the case exactly,

576
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 3: and so that's why. And then I think your yards

577
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 3: per carry go up the more you do it. If

578
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 3: you talk to Merrill or wolf for Tounch or anyone

579
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 3: like that, just keep running the ball and all of

580
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 3: a sudden, four yards a carrier turn into five yards carriers.

581
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Speaker 2: Especially with a guy like Jaalen Warren. We've seen that

582
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 2: over his career, and I know that it's been underwhelming,

583
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 2: but I also think that's where if you want to

584
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 2: get Caleb Johnson involved, where he really accelerated to. That's

585
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 2: his game.

586
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 3: I think that's why he was drafted for that reason.

587
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 3: You know, more or less now it's hard to say

588
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 3: Caleb could run out in the field because right now

589
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 3: I don't trust you nearly as much as the other

590
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 3: two players.

591
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 2: But that's that's the void.

592
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 3: And I'm not blaming him. He's not the reason that

593
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 3: the Steelers are three eighth or whatever. But he's not

594
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 3: helping the cause either clearly, yes.

595
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: Last one Kenneth Gainwell only behind Christian McCaffrey and Devon

596
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 2: ah Chain and targets per route run.

597
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 3: So when he's out there, Yeah, there's two running back

598
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 3: receiving stats that I think are really interesting. It's that one.

599
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 3: So when he's on the field and running routes, he

600
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 3: gets the ball. Now, defenses know that too, but so

601
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 3: be it, you know, I mean, he's not out there

602
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 3: a ton, he's out there on third downs, but he

603
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 3: gets the ball. The other one is Warren is third

604
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 3: behind McCaffrey and Jean in terms of yards per receptor

605
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 3: yards per route run, which isn't the same, I mean

606
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 3: targets per route run. Is every he runs the target,

607
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 3: he's getting it. So there's a lot of time Warren's

608
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 3: out there not necessarily getting the ball, but he makes

609
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 3: the most of it. Like that's my favorite wide receiver

610
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 3: perception perception exactly. But Warren's phenomenal at it, and he's

611
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 3: always at the top of the league in yards for

612
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 3: route runner amongst running backs. Now, they throw to running

613
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 3: backs more than almost any team in the league. They

614
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 3: also throw to receivers less than any team in the league,

615
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 3: and that's part of the reason why the shortness sticks.

616
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 3: And they have so much yards have to catch, and

617
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 3: I mean it explains a lot. But both those guys

618
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 3: are good receivers, say least, and they are very effective

619
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Speaker 3: in the passing end.

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Speaker 2: And so I wonder if there's some ways that you

621
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,959
Speaker 2: can confuse defenses or you know, get more multiple with

622
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Speaker 2: the threat that everyone realizes those guys are out of

623
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Speaker 2: the backfield. Yeah. Yeah, to potentially stretch the field a

624
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 2: little bit.

625
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, how do you take the next step?

626
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Speaker 2: You know?

627
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 3: How do you play off that?

628
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 2: How do you Okay, we do this well, teams know,

629
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 2: we do this well.

630
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Speaker 3: Now how we do the next thing? Right?

631
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Speaker 2: How do we do the every action as a reaction?

632
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 3: Yeah? Can I put a linebacker or a strong safety

633
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 3: and conflict of there's a running back in front of me,

634
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 3: Friar moose running behind me. I gotta take one or

635
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 3: the other. I bite on the running back. I hit

636
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 3: Friar mooth for eighteen you know what I mean?

637
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 2: Maybe especially this week where again, if you missed it earlier,

638
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 2: both of the Chicago Bears starting off ball linebackers. Yeah,

639
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: I have not practiced yet this week when they first.

640
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 3: Who that would even be.

641
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,959
Speaker 2: But that's something I'll look at certainly.

642
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 3: Is but both those guys they paid, especially Edmunds handsomely

643
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 3: two off seasons ago.

644
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: Edmonds, of course, the brother of the former Steelers.

645
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 3: A younger brother. He in the league is like a

646
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 3: nineteen year old. He came in like Juju young.

647
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, and had a couple of great years of

648
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 2: Buffalo before some some injuries really piled up.

649
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 3: He's an interstry player, though he looks like a first

650
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 3: round line back.

651
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Speaker 2: Oh y yeah, yeah, Matt, one more break to get

652
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Speaker 2: to here when we come back on the other side,

653
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Speaker 2: close down with some tweets. Sound like a plan to you, Yeah, Love,

654
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655
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656
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Speaker 1: About Drive on your twenty four to seven home of

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Speaker 1: the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Final segment here on a Thursday evening, and Matt, let's

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Speaker 2: get to some tweets before we get up out of here,

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Speaker 2: all right, Andre tweets us and says love the show. Guys, question,

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Speaker 2: are we maybe victims of the moment with Pierre he's

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Speaker 2: been great, but feels like we're writing off Sleigh.

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Speaker 3: I think there's two parts to that. Okay, we might

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Speaker 3: be victims of the moment on Pierre, and I was

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Speaker 3: really worried about that going into Cincinnati. I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 3: Jamar Chase Conna turn you into a pumpkin. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: been nice, James, you're playing well, but it's a small

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Speaker 3: sample size.

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Speaker 2: Like asking me to cover Michael Jordan's.

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Speaker 3: Right, like Higgins and Chase, this probably won't go well.

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Speaker 2: But he was great.

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Speaker 3: He was great, you know, and I don't. Maybe it

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Speaker 3: is a hotthand thing. Maybe you are victims of the

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Speaker 3: moment short, you know, small amount of time, but I

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Speaker 3: think you ride it. I mean, if he falls apart

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Speaker 3: on you, so be it. But I think Slay is,

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Speaker 3: unfortunately the opposite. I kind of feel like we know

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Speaker 3: who he is at this point, an aging player, much

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Speaker 3: more zone than man, not super physical, not super fast

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Speaker 3: athletic anymore. I think Pierre's the better player today and

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Speaker 3: might be better the better player the rest of the season.

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Speaker 3: And I fully understand well, I half understand saying in

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Speaker 3: the press conference Slay's the starters easy to say, and

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Speaker 3: I'm sure, he will take the first snap of the game,

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Speaker 3: and if they announce the defensive starters, he'll be one

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Speaker 3: of them. And I'm cool with giving that person that respect.

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Speaker 2: And remember, remember the point of Damski made on Tuesday, though,

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Speaker 2: was that they did that with Calvin Austin. He got

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Speaker 2: introduced as the starter, but Roman Wilson had three times

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Speaker 2: as many snaps, exactly.

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Speaker 3: And Slay deserves more respect for his body of work

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Speaker 3: in this league than Pierre Austin or Wilson.

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Speaker 2: A first team All Pro, Super Bowl champion.

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Speaker 3: And you got a locker room to deal with. So

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Speaker 3: this is how we treat guys that way. But let's

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Speaker 3: talk about snap counts on Monday. Yeah, I'm not even

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Speaker 3: implying how they'll go, but I think that'll be more telling.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely right, And do they come out throwing again? Are

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Speaker 3: they going to target Sleigh right off the bat?

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Speaker 2: Probably?

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Speaker 3: They'll probably target the one of them right off the bat?

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Speaker 2: I uh, Matt, you know how we did the exercise

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Speaker 2: yesterday where I.

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Speaker 3: Just note I don't think Samuel gets activated this week

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Speaker 3: because because he'd be your fourth corner and he's not

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Speaker 3: a special team so you could just kind of hang

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Speaker 3: on that I'm with.

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Speaker 2: You on that. We did the exercise yesterday best of

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Speaker 2: the West, best running back in the NFL right at

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Speaker 2: that on November nineteenth. When November nineteenth, if you were

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Speaker 2: doing a exercise of power, rank the best Steelers defenders

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Speaker 2: today Thursday, November twentieth, Pierre would be the third defensive

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Speaker 2: back on that list. You have Ramsey and Porter as

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Speaker 2: you're like, you'd probably start with Cam and TJ and

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Speaker 2: rember Ecles is good, he is. But I think the

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Speaker 2: Doggers games, I think Pierre. I'm talking right now.

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Speaker 3: I know I see what you're saying like that. That

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Speaker 3: would sound crazy a month ago.

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Speaker 2: But like you're only is that's a tough call for me.

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Speaker 3: Douger versus a Eckles, versus versus Pierre. And I mean

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Speaker 3: that as a complin because absolutely I would not have

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Speaker 3: thought him and Eckles or maybe I'm.

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Speaker 2: Just guilty of living in the moment more.

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Speaker 3: I mean, because I think all three are playing really well.

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Speaker 3: Dougger's been a success, to say the least.

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Speaker 2: He'll laugh, I still hear. I mean you know this,

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Speaker 2: I think most of the audience does now. But it

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Speaker 2: is a newer ish show that I've only been a

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Speaker 2: full time co host of for a few months here. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: my dad was a violinist in the Pittsburgh Symphony and

732
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Speaker 2: just retired a couple of years ago. One thing he

733
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 2: used to always drill it when I was growing up

734
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 2: playing guitar and piano and even sports, is like, you're

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Speaker 2: only as good as your last performance, and as soon

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Speaker 2: as you stop feeling that is when things could typically

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Speaker 2: go downhill. And so maybe that's just I'm just like,

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Speaker 2: there's there's times that I'm thinking, like driving home, like, man, man,

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Speaker 2: I did a kick it kick butt show today. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 2: but then I hear my dad, you're only as good

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Speaker 2: as your last performance, Like you to repeat it tomorrow

742
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Speaker 2: or else? What's it worth?

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Speaker 3: I'm not picking on Aaron Rodgers, but he's the best

744
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Speaker 3: example I can remember. And like Steelers last ten years,

745
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 3: people thought that I walked on water two weeks ago.

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Speaker 5: Scar Rude off out here Leeton Santa's slay into December,

747
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Speaker 5: Bill Howard's turned You know that guy's old, you know, like,

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Speaker 5: come on, man.

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Speaker 2: Steel Curtain tweets us and says, just one time, I

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Speaker 2: would like to see us use John Hu as a

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Speaker 2: number two wide receiver. He can do it. He did

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Speaker 2: it in Miami. Spread him out, use Austin and Wilson

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Speaker 2: in the slot.

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Speaker 3: Your thoughts, Yeah, I don't have a strong take on that,

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Speaker 3: but it's funny. I've had that conversation with several unnamed

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Speaker 3: Steelers analysts reporters that kind of thought that was going

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Speaker 3: to be more in the mix with like Metcalf and

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Speaker 3: john who outside is just true wide receivers and Wilson

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Speaker 3: a smaller guy in the slot. I don't know what

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Speaker 3: to think of Johnny Smith. I mean as a whole.

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Speaker 2: He's very tough to evaluate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it really is now in terms of wide receivers

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Speaker 3: lining up outside the numbers, he's sluggish, but he's also huge.

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Speaker 2: He could also be a matchup problem.

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Speaker 3: Right, Like do I want him running out routes against Stingley? No,

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Speaker 3: of course not, but it's something to consider. I think

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Speaker 3: he's done it before too.

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Speaker 2: Regardless, a lot of these things that we've talked about

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Speaker 2: to get at the trajectory of the offense on the

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Speaker 2: up and up, we both agree it starts with the

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Speaker 2: run game in Jalen Warren, I think so too. But

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Speaker 2: shortly after that, on my list of priorities, would be

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Speaker 2: getting John news Smith going yeah.

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Speaker 3: But again, when you're the lowest amount of plays in

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Speaker 3: the league, everybody can't get the ball as much as

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Speaker 3: you want them to. I mean, that's been my answer

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Speaker 3: all the time.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you keep making that point, and I know.

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Speaker 3: It's like, well, yeah, I let you put five skill

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Speaker 3: guys out there at once, and a running back Metcalf

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Speaker 3: are gonna be out there.

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Speaker 2: Two of the five.

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Speaker 3: And if you only run fifty five plays a game

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Speaker 3: and only thirty of them are passes, well, how many

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Speaker 3: targets do you think you're gonna get? You know what

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Speaker 3: I mean, It's hard to get eight if you're not

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Speaker 3: a if you're not Metcalf, and he doesn't even get eight.

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Speaker 2: Right now, here's a question for Paul. Typically this would

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Speaker 2: be more of an off season thing, but I just

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Speaker 2: want to hear your quick reaction because I think I

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Speaker 2: know what the answer is. Paul tweets and says, drive

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Speaker 2: question for you guys in hindsight, would you have taken

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Speaker 2: Jackson Dart over Derek Harmon?

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Speaker 3: Ooh, I get asked that a lot. I had a

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Speaker 3: couple of my really good buddies that love Dart.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 3: The answer to me is no, because I'm not sold

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Speaker 3: on Dart, and maybe I'm hard on the guy because

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Speaker 3: I didn't love pre draft evaluations. Maybe it's taken me

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Speaker 3: a while to come off of. He would be really

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Speaker 3: exciting in the organization right now. He would not be

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Speaker 3: playing over Rogers, but he'd be in a really good

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Speaker 3: spot to learn, as Rogers was with Farv And I

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Speaker 3: think that'd be even watching Dart and analyzing him as

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Speaker 3: a draft prospect, like, I hope he goes somewhere where

806
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Speaker 3: there's a pretty solid starter where he doesn't even play.

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Speaker 3: His year one Russ wasn't enough obviously, and he saw

808
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Speaker 3: the wheels were coming off in New York.

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Speaker 2: Dable knew his job.

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Speaker 3: I wanted them to go to Rams, Yes, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean, like not even have a conversation, Like

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Speaker 3: maybe he wins the super Bowl and never even touches

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Speaker 3: the football. You know, there's an argument for it. And

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Speaker 3: that's not a knock on Harmon. It's just quarterbacks are

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Speaker 3: super valuable, and like, where's your next one coming from?

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Speaker 3: Is more and more unclear. He's just not for me

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Speaker 3: at least yet. I'd have to see a lot more.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you, Yeah, I mean, I maybe I shouldn't

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Speaker 2: have demonstrably have said no the way I should. It's

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Speaker 2: a fair it's a fair question to ask he was there.

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Speaker 2: I'm not as sold on Jackson Dart as everybody else's.

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Speaker 2: I'm not either, And some of it might be getting

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Speaker 2: back to what you said.

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Speaker 3: I he's allowed to get better, Thanksdale. You know you're

825
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 3: allowed to coach him up, you know, right, right right,

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Speaker 3: And he doesn't stink. I'm not saying that.

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Speaker 2: That offense caught lightning in a bottle for a couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks, But I I don't a lot of people

829
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Speaker 2: are just thinking that once they get Scataboo back healthy

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Speaker 2: and Dart back healthy and into next season, that they're

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Speaker 2: just gonna pick up where they left left off.

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Speaker 3: Look Out, Eagles, We're gonna take the division from here.

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Speaker 3: Like I don't see that. Yeah, And Harmon's juiceful.

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Speaker 2: Yes right now. If it's cam Ward, my answer is yes,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, like right, oh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. And if it's Sam Ward to me and

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Speaker 3: he's a terrible year.

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Speaker 2: And this is again, this is more of a this

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Speaker 2: is more of an offseason hypothetical type conversation. But I'd

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Speaker 2: be interested in like would you rather have Jackson Dart

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Speaker 2: or one of these guys who's coming out in the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six class, And.

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Speaker 3: Those are questions you have to kind of analyze.

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Speaker 2: And maybe we'll maybe we'll do more of that in

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Speaker 2: the offseason. But I think Harmon quietly has been has

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Speaker 2: been coming on too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's gonna be useful for a long time.

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Speaker 2: Let's see here. Sudesh tweets us and says, was it

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Speaker 2: just me or did it seem like Mason ruff was

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Speaker 2: dropping back in the pocket twice as far from the

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Speaker 2: line of scrimmage as Aaron Rodgers did?

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Speaker 3: Or was I didn't notice?

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Speaker 2: Interesting?

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Speaker 3: I don't think do you have a deeper drop? I mean,

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Speaker 3: was he?

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Speaker 2: I thought I thought Aaron was doing a lot of

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Speaker 2: moving around in the pocket or he exited the game.

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Speaker 3: I would say that they call more seven step drops

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Speaker 3: for Rudolph. I mean Rudolph's history is pushing the ball

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Speaker 3: down the field more than current Rogers, and often with

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Speaker 3: route concepts and matching up with drops like we talked

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Speaker 3: about with Walsh. Deeper the drop, the deeper the route concepts.

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Speaker 3: It's possible. But I didn't look at him and be

864
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Speaker 3: like man whenever he hits the top of his drop,

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Speaker 3: he's so much further from the line of scrimmage than Rogers.

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Speaker 3: But I also wasn't looking. Didn't stand out to.

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Speaker 2: Me the same. Yeah, I don't remember that. It's something

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Speaker 2: that was kind of eyeball test or even in the

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Speaker 2: rewatch that stood out.

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Speaker 3: And someone might send us a tweet of all the

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Speaker 3: videos and I said, notice, yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple more here to close us down, and

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Speaker 2: I'll bookmark some of these and we'll save him for

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Speaker 2: tomorrow because we did get some good questions today, Brad.

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Speaker 2: And this one was from yesterday, actually from Brad. I

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Speaker 2: wanted to give him props. He said, remember preseason, when

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Speaker 2: most of us considered Pierre as just a special teams

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00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: guy and thought we'd be in deep bleep if he

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Speaker 2: ever had to play. Meeting reps at defensive back. Dale

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00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 2: used to pound the table that players are allowed to

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Speaker 2: get better. Pierre has proven him right. That was from yesterday.

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Speaker 3: I saw that one.

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Speaker 2: Correct and a good good shout out to bring the

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Speaker 2: Dale birthday love back full circle and the.

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Speaker 3: Eric value just as a special team or an emergency corner,

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Speaker 3: and now he's bringing more to the table. Good.

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Speaker 2: We've We've gotten a lot of really good tweets. Love

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Speaker 2: all the participation from everybody, but Matt, I'll just say

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Speaker 2: this tweet from AJ. These are the type of tweets

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Speaker 2: that I like the most. Just as a heads up

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00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 2: for the audience that the rest of the way, AJ

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Speaker 2: tweets four quick hitter questions. I want you to answer

893
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: either neither or both. I love these type of exercises. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: number one Steelers Ravens make the playoffs this year? Either neither, both.

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00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 3: Both, But that might mean the Chiefs are out willing

896
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Speaker 3: to get the.

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00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 4: Chiefs or the Jets. And because one of the Patriots

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Speaker 4: or Bills is going I think both are.

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Speaker 2: That leaves two more So if you say, if you say,

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Speaker 2: all will know because one would win the division one Okay,

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Speaker 2: so it could still be Yeah, it could still be

902
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Speaker 2: Jags or Chiefs and two teams from the North.

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Speaker 3: That's a tough one because the Chargers.

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Speaker 2: I'm going either.

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Speaker 3: It's probably smarter bet because.

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Speaker 2: I'm putting my faith in the Chiefs. For all the

907
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: people that crushed me on Twitter hard on the Chiefs

908
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 2: on Tuesday, I would put my faith in the Chiefs

909
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Speaker 2: over any of those other teams in terms of a

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00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 2: wild card spot down the.

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00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 3: Stretch along those lines. I was thinking about that as

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Speaker 3: I was pulling in the parking lot today. I'm like,

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00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 3: if the Steelers win the division, which I think they

914
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,439
Speaker 3: have a very good chance to do, there's a very

915
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 3: good chance that they're gonna host Lamar Allen or Mahome,

916
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 3: Yes or Herbert.

917
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: I've told you one of my best friends, Eric from

918
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 2: one of my best friends, Eric for my best friend

919
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: from college is probably Crowley. Yeah. Like, my other best

920
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 2: friend from college is one of our buddies named Eric,

921
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: and he's from Rochester, New York. So he's a huge

922
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Speaker 2: Bills fan. And I literally said this to him on

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Speaker 2: the phone Monday or Tuesday. We were talking when I

924
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 2: was in the car, and I was like, dude, it's

925
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Speaker 2: just going to be such the Steelers luck that they'll

926
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Speaker 2: win the division this show game. But here comes Josh

927
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Speaker 2: Allen in the Bill Yeah, you know, not Houston or

928
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Speaker 2: the Chargers or the Broncos or the Jags. Right here

929
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Speaker 2: comes Josh Allen. Perhaps on the short list of best

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Speaker 2: playoff quarterbacks of the twenty first century.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think Allen and Mahomes are gonna be

932
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Speaker 3: on the road in round one. Lamar is a really

933
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 3: good chance to be on the road, but then you

934
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Speaker 3: could win the division. One of them is probably coming

935
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Speaker 3: here or to the division.

936
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Speaker 2: I feel like for Baltimore and Pittsburgh, you're winning the

937
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Speaker 2: division and hosting a playoff game, or you're sitting at home.

938
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Speaker 3: And this comes back to Chargers Steelers losing to the Chargers.

939
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Speaker 3: I would like to say the Chargers season, especially after

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Speaker 3: watching that Jags game, is ready to go down the

941
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Speaker 3: toilet and we can get rid of them. They have

942
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Speaker 3: a lot of wins and they beat the Steelers head

943
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Speaker 3: to head.

944
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Speaker 2: Yes, you say that's a good point too. So if

945
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 2: it comes down to there both ten and seven and

946
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 2: who gets the wild card right right, Muth high Smith

947
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Speaker 2: on the team in twenty twenty six, either neither or

948
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Speaker 2: both tbd. Yeah, that's a good offseason conversation.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it'll be neither.

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00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 2: I don't think it'll be neither.

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Speaker 3: I think they really like both players more than our

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Speaker 3: listeners might realize. I also think Herbie's getting a contract.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go either. If I have to pick one.

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Speaker 2: I agree. I don't think I definitely don't think it'll

956
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 2: be neither. I know neither. I'd be very surprised if

957
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,919
Speaker 2: that were the case. Steelers Bears over one hundred yards

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Speaker 2: rushing this week. Either neither or both.

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Speaker 3: Either probably the Steelers.

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00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 2: Steelers better. Yeah, and when you combine like the Bears,

961
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Speaker 2: you combine Caleb Williams total in there.

962
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Speaker 3: I know that's kind of what threw me off. I

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00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 3: think the Steelers are a good job against this good

964
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Speaker 3: running game.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go just the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: Me too.

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00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go either, and I'm gonna go the Steelers

968
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 2: last one. Either neither or both. Steelers get two takeaways,

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00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 2: Bears score twenty one or more points, both both both.

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Speaker 2: Although crazy, for whatever reason, I do feel like this

971
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Speaker 2: is gonna be a weird like seventeen fourteen.

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Speaker 3: I have the hard I gotta make a prediction tonight

973
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Speaker 3: on the game, and I am not ready. Tom usuallym

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Speaker 3: fine by Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: Good tweet there from aj though. That was good. I

976
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Speaker 2: enjoy those type of uh, you know, kind of choose

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Speaker 2: your own adventure type tweets right right if you will, Matt,

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Speaker 2: that'll do it for us today. Good stuff Thanks to

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Speaker 2: Bob Labriola. For jumping on with us in the first

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Speaker 2: hour and joining us. Big shout out as always to

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Speaker 2: our video producer Tyler v mister TV for making sure

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Speaker 2: we look handsome on YouTube.

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Speaker 6: And and one last yeah, I'm a big happy birthday

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Speaker 6: to our brother Dale Lallie and all best to his

985
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 6: family hopefully for some comfort and some some good memories

986
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Speaker 6: on a tough day.

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Speaker 2: He's Matt Williamson, the Matt Williamson, as Dale would have said,

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00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 2: I'm what Shueeler. Was that, by the way, Yeah you

989
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 2: could say that now that he's right.

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00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 3: I didn't want him to know because they had done

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Speaker 3: it more.

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00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's the sign of a good friend, is

993
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 2: when you know, I can't tell them I don't like

994
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 2: my nickname because then it'll just become more permanent.

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00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 3: And we didn't like discuss that beforehand. Right now you

996
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 3: are using it.

997
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's the sign of a good friend. It's

998
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 2: like I can't tell him I don't like my nickname

999
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: because then he's just gonna.

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00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 3: I was just hoping he'd vanish.

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Speaker 2: Only today, Matt, you're the Matt every November twenty. If

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Speaker 2: you're the Matt, I'm what Sheeler take care everybody, We'll

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Speaker 2: talk to you tomorrow as we preview and predict Steelers

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00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: versus Bears on a Friday. Take care, we'll talk to you. Then.

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Speaker 2: It's been the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on the

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Speaker 2: Steelers Audio Network