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Speaker 1: But I'm Brian Campbell, You're Luke Thomas. And people always

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Speaker 2: And from what I can only guess, is at most

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Speaker 3: Excuse me? Where are you right now?

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Speaker 1: I've a Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. Okay, the site they call it

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Speaker 1: Methlahem Corey Manici of Malca fame, Luke is from this town,

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Speaker 1: I'm BC So I'm the like the like, the loose, happy,

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Speaker 1: Luke Thomas, and this is like, Hey, I'm on vacation

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Speaker 1: and you're on vacation. But we still love our fans,

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Speaker 1: Why don't we fondle their mail bag? If you will?

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Speaker 1: Will you? Hey, Mikey made us do this show, we

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Speaker 2: He gets lost in New York and then he asked

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Speaker 1: And sub question to that is it cheating on your

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Speaker 1: MK Mailbag Holiday episodes are a lot of country by

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Speaker 1: What if judges had to wear headsets where they hear

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Speaker 1: only the microphones above the cage, so that would they

435
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Speaker 1: would hear the impact of the shot as well? Impact

436
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Speaker 1: is the word I read a lot while going through

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Speaker 1: judging criteria. Criteria makes sense or not?

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Speaker 3: Luke?

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Speaker 1: So, Luke, he's saying an mma, judge, I guess it

440
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Speaker 1: would work for boxing two would have an earpiece that's

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Speaker 1: directly tied to a microphone that's hanging right above the

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Speaker 1: head of the combat sports participate. Would that allow them

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Speaker 1: to hear the impact?

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Speaker 3: Well, I gotta tell you.

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Speaker 2: You can tell I don't mean to demean the question

446
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Speaker 2: because the question comes out a good faith place, right,

447
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Speaker 2: so let's be let's treat it that way. But like

448
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Speaker 2: you know, this is a bad idea because what basically

449
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Speaker 2: people are trying to do is find some kind of

450
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Speaker 2: technical solution to a much bigger problem where it's like, hey,

451
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Speaker 2: what kind of like literally production equipment and production process

452
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Speaker 2: can we use to ultimately solve a problem which is

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Speaker 2: how do we judge impact?

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Speaker 3: Right, how do we judge damage?

455
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Speaker 2: How do we make assessments or the visual assessments or

456
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Speaker 2: the auditory assessments, And then saying, oh, we'll give you

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Speaker 2: some kind of technological aid to bridge that gap. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that couldn't Like I'm not saying technological

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Speaker 2: aids aren't helpful, Like instant replay is helpful, having a

460
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Speaker 2: monitor can be helpful, but these ultimately are complementary not

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Speaker 2: they cannot supplant what needs a better process that needs

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Speaker 2: to be in place in a better criteria and a

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Speaker 2: better overall way of examining fights.

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Speaker 3: I don't think this.

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Speaker 2: I don't think like extra micro and by the way,

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Speaker 2: only UFC and shit like that could afford it.

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Speaker 3: What would regional promoters do?

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Speaker 2: You'd still get bad decisions if that's what your solution

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Speaker 2: would ultimately be. It's not really workable at scale either.

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Speaker 2: So no, not a good solution.

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Speaker 1: Let's keep it going. This is Dakota Hope eight zero

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Speaker 1: two eight. What do you think Terrence Crawford's next move is?

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Speaker 1: Do you think he will eventually move up and fight Canelo?

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Speaker 1: How do you think a fight between the two of

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Speaker 1: them will play out? So, Luke, we're recording this early

476
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Speaker 1: before it goes, but we don't think Crawford will have

477
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Speaker 1: a fight or any you know, real direction moving forward.

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Speaker 1: But he has done some interviews of late and moving

479
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Speaker 1: up to one fifty four and facing Jermale Charlo does

480
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Speaker 1: seem to be the direction that he wants, not fighting

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Speaker 1: Boots ensn one forty seven, not necessarily fighting Spence again,

482
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Speaker 1: although I'm sure you know with the contract set up

483
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Speaker 1: and the money he would do that, you think that's

484
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Speaker 1: that's where we'll see him. I mean, if he has

485
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Speaker 1: two fights left on his PBC deal, which he does.

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Speaker 1: What is the best hope for those What is the

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Speaker 1: most realistic hope for those two fights. We'll get to

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Speaker 1: that Canelo part, you know, at the end, or if

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Speaker 1: you bring it up as an answer, But could it

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Speaker 1: beat Jermale Charlo and Canelo the rounds out the three

491
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Speaker 1: fight deal? That'd be insane, right, that be insane.

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Speaker 2: The Canelo one. I don't buy the Canelo one. I

493
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Speaker 2: don't buy because I watched the interview that Crawford did

494
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Speaker 2: with Ebro and Peter Rosenberg, and in it they're like,

495
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Speaker 2: how far do you think you can go? He basically

496
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Speaker 2: was like realistically because he was saying, you know, you

497
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Speaker 2: could go pretty far, but like you know where winning

498
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Speaker 2: and losing is a serious equation that weight, right, Yeah,

499
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Speaker 2: up and weight? He was like, one fifty four is

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Speaker 2: basically as far as he sees himself going. So the

501
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Speaker 2: problem is it's like, dude, like here, man, like now,

502
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Speaker 2: it's I gotta tell you, dude, Like, after what Crawford did,

503
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Speaker 2: I wish we could be like, Okay, let's stop this

504
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Speaker 2: Charlo Canelo thing. I'm not sure who Canelo is gonna fight.

505
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Speaker 2: Maybe it's Deavid and a Vedez. Maybe it's David Morrel, Jumi,

506
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Speaker 2: how about jamal right? Jamal right? And then fuck all

507
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Speaker 2: that fuck even making a rematch with Spence. You send

508
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Speaker 2: Bud Crawford to one to fifty four right now, and

509
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Speaker 2: he fights Charlo for all of those belts, because I

510
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Speaker 2: want to see Bud Crawford try something like if anybody

511
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Speaker 2: has the right to try something this difficult, it is

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Speaker 2: Bud Crawford. And I just feel like Charlo's gonna have

513
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Speaker 2: to get big to get to one sixty eight to

514
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Speaker 2: fight Canelo. Is he really going to go right back

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Speaker 2: down to one fifty four?

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Speaker 3: He says, yes, Man, I think I don't know. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I believe that when I see.

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Speaker 1: It, you'd be more than happy if the last two

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Speaker 1: fights on Bud's deal was Jamel Charlow and then Tim

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Speaker 1: Zoo right, you'd be more than happy.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, okay, Tim d would be a punt, would

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Speaker 2: be an interesting one too.

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Speaker 1: Now let me talk about here about Budd at one

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Speaker 1: sixty in the idea. Now, I don't even know if

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Speaker 1: Canelo can make one sixty anymore. And even though Bud

526
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Speaker 1: just had like the ultimate star making all time performance,

527
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Speaker 1: is Bud versus Charlo or Bud versus Canelo, like big

528
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Speaker 1: enough that Canelo would be willing to cut pounds down.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's like, that's a question. It'd be a

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Speaker 1: huge fight, but that's a question. I get and respect

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Speaker 1: Bud voicing what he feels is his own physical limitations

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Speaker 1: and the idea that he thinks he could go up

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Speaker 1: to fifty four and be the same guy and potentially dominate,

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Speaker 1: but would have questions about himself and the danger. And

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Speaker 1: I don't you know, we flippantly talk about fantasy matchmaking

536
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Speaker 1: at times in the in the combat sports world, sometimes

537
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Speaker 1: because you get these rare aliens that do it, I mean,

538
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Speaker 1: a new way just keeps moving up and carrying the

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Speaker 1: power with him. But Luke, I almost want to push

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Speaker 1: back against Crawford's own built in limitations. It's not that

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Speaker 1: I'm not being respectful of the idea of how big

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Speaker 1: of a leap it would be to go from welter

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Speaker 1: weight one hundred and forty seven pounds to middleweight one sixty.

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Speaker 1: It's rare that you know, no one does that that instantly, right,

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Speaker 1: Usually if they get there over time, and typically like

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Speaker 1: great welterweights who have moved up to middleweight, you know,

547
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Speaker 1: haven't always except like Sugar Ray Robinson hasn't always performed great,

548
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Speaker 1: you know, like Oscar found his ceiling pretty quickly at

549
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Speaker 1: middleway and realized that wasn't for him. But we talk

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Speaker 1: so much heading into Crawford Spence about how big Spence is,

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Speaker 1: and Crawford looked like just as big with him, just

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Speaker 1: as big as him and just as long as him.

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Speaker 1: And he does have that perfect long frame that would

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Speaker 1: add muscle, particularly shoulders and back if he committed to this.

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Speaker 1: Now again, I don't know if Canelo would be motivated

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Speaker 1: enough to ever make sixty again. And you know the

557
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Speaker 1: idea of Crawford going up to one sixty eight to

558
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Speaker 1: fight for I mean, now we're getting like super video

559
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Speaker 1: game fantasy matchup, like you're asking somebody to be packing,

560
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Speaker 1: like you're asking ridiculous things. But the gap and skill

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Speaker 1: level that ended up being the case between Spence and Crawford,

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Speaker 1: and maybe maybe Luke that is a not a aperation,

563
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Speaker 1: not an aberration, but maybe Crawford dominating him that easily

564
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Speaker 1: was an aberration. Meeting if they fought five times in

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Speaker 1: a row, would you know, would all of them look

566
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Speaker 1: as dominant in that way, you know, like maybe Spence

567
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Speaker 1: had the worst night, maybe physically, maybe something. But dude,

568
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Speaker 1: he could go up to fifty four, and I'm starting

569
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 1: to think even sixty. He's a huge, long welterweight and

570
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Speaker 1: he wouldn't necessarily even need to put on a ton

571
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Speaker 1: of muscle if he wanted to rely on speed more. Again,

572
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that punches two divisions higher won't you know,

573
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Speaker 1: be a real threat to his chin and all this stuff.

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Speaker 1: That's what all small fighters have to deal with. I

575
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Speaker 1: just think he is so skilled, but has that also

576
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Speaker 1: that backbone and that finishing mentality, that nasty mentality that yeah,

577
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Speaker 1: he'd have to rely on a lot of movement in

578
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Speaker 1: boxing for sure, him versus Canelo, if they could ever

579
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Speaker 1: do that at one sixty, Dude, I'm not looking at

580
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Speaker 1: that as unrealistic, absurd all this, if it ever could happen, Dude,

581
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Speaker 1: I think Crawford could win that fight, Luke. And I

582
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Speaker 1: don't think that's insane or like completely unrealistic.

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Speaker 3: I don't think, I said, dude, I'm not I'm not

584
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Speaker 3: in a position to be like Crawford can't do that.

585
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Speaker 2: I do think we have to be realistic, Like, okay,

586
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Speaker 2: so let's talk about what you would say is just

587
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Speaker 2: absolutely not on the table. One sixty eight seems fucking impossible, right,

588
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just way, way too much, right, Okay,

589
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 2: so you still think one sixties. I'm not saying he

590
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Speaker 2: couldn't win fights at one sixty.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how many belts he's winning up there

592
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Speaker 3: versus one fifty four.

593
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Speaker 2: And by the way, Charlo Jamel Charlow at one fifty

594
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Speaker 2: four not a small guy at one fifty four at all,

595
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Speaker 2: Like he's big.

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Speaker 1: That's a tough fight for Bud under every single.

597
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Speaker 3: Circum you're getting to me.

598
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Speaker 1: But look, do you do you agree with this? People

599
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Speaker 1: are just like, oh, Bud will kills Charlo. Dude, Charles's

600
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Speaker 1: a bad dude. I'm not saying I think he should

601
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Speaker 1: be favored to win against Crawford at one fifty four.

602
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: But Charlo's no chump. Whether we're talking about Dremmel going

603
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Speaker 1: up to fight Canelo, which he is, and I don't

604
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: think people get are giving him as much of a chance.

605
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Speaker 1: And if Bud came up, even though I think Bud

606
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Speaker 1: should be the favorite, dude, you gotta we got to

607
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: see what Budd would look like against Charlow's quick, explosive

608
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Speaker 1: counter punching. I mean that that'd be something to watch it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not saying that Jamel Charlow is as good

610
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Speaker 2: as Bud Crawford. That is absolutely not the point that

611
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Speaker 2: I'm making. However, Remember he has all the belts at

612
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Speaker 2: this weight class. I'm looking at like the dude the

613
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Speaker 2: Castagno win is nice? Are we stopping Tony Harrison the

614
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 2: second time that they fought Jason Rosario was nice?

615
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 3: Dude, Austin Trout. How about that win over Lubin? Dude,

616
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Speaker 3: that fucking win.

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Speaker 2: Where he he he blocked it and then came up

618
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Speaker 2: with these with the same punch on the same side

619
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Speaker 2: or rather with the same hand anyway, I.

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Speaker 3: Just absurd, absurd finish of ericson Lubin.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget about Luke Catley never panned out from the

622
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: amateur background he had. But I was at that knockout dude,

623
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: that was nasty. The way he set that up and

624
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Speaker 1: finished him due that was that was insane.

625
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Speaker 2: And also, this is my point, like he's very good,

626
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Speaker 2: He's not. Is he is technically skilled as Bud Crawford. No,

627
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Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, not many guys are gonna

628
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 2: be but he's good and he's big and that's a

629
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Speaker 2: tough challenge. And dude, and also chart like Jermel, Dude,

630
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Speaker 2: Jamel is the better of the two, I think. And

631
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Speaker 2: dude like that Kastana win was nice like that. I

632
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 2: didn't think he won the first fight. And then for

633
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,959
Speaker 2: him to come out and then beat Kastania, I got,

634
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 2: I want to say it one more time, Dude, he

635
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 2: accepted the fight on Castano's terms and.

636
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Speaker 3: Then beat him there like that's that's big boy shit.

637
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 3: Like you got to give that guy his credit, you know.

638
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Speaker 1: So, dude, seriously, a Crawford Charlo fight for all the belts,

639
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Speaker 1: which I don't even know what can happen because as

640
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: we even record this, they're talking about elevating Zoo in

641
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Speaker 1: one of the four sanctioning bodies and stripping Jermel. Basically,

642
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: the news is that Jermel can enter the Charlo fight

643
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Speaker 1: as the nd disputed one fifty four champion, but the

644
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Speaker 1: second the fight starts, he will be stripped, I believe

645
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Speaker 1: with the WBO, which would then be see Zoo upgrade.

646
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: So it's political semantics, but with all that said stylistically

647
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: like or and in terms of knocking on the door

648
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: to get you fired up to be entertained. Dude, Charlo

649
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: but is going if they can get there as a

650
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: hillacious fight, I would love that, but we do have

651
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: to see the fallout. Like you said of how does

652
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: Charlo do against Canelo? Does that lead him to want

653
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: to move right from there up to Middleway? You know,

654
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: I don't think so, because there's money at the table.

655
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: He's been building to this Zoo fight for a while.

656
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: He only took the Canelo fight because brother wasn't ready.

657
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: I think he would want to fight Charlo to defend

658
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: his gym Luke, right, I think he would.

659
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. And also I mean.

660
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: I mean not Charlo, but Crawford, Bud Crawford is what

661
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I think Charlo would want to fight Bud Crawford.

662
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 3: That's what I'm say.

663
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I agree, Yes, I do think he would

664
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: take that. I think he thinks he can win that

665
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: fight and maybe he can't, but for sure.

666
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

667
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 2: And also, let's say one more time, dude, Bud Crawford

668
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: turned into a star on Saturday Night, like he's a

669
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 2: bona fide star.

670
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 3: In fact, at the time of the this comes out.

671
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what's going to happen, but

672
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: I do know that, like in the coming weeks, let's say,

673
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: I would expect you to see Bud Crawford going a

674
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: substantial media tour, a substantial one.

675
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 3: So Bud Crawford's about to blow the fuck up everybody.

676
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: Wow, Luke Thomas in the house. All right, let's keep

677
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: these questions going. Look, would you grade the early questions

678
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: we've read so far from our fans as decent as.

679
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 3: We're pretty good? Yeah, Simon, Yeah, it's the first It's

680
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 3: the first twenty minutes of Dune, you know.

681
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: Okay, let's hear yeah, got dude, man, don't get me going.

682
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,239
Speaker 1: Connor Vulm thirty five to ten is on the horn here,

683
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: he says, I know MMA fighters routinely cut twenty to

684
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: twenty five pounds on fight week. How much do boxers

685
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: typically cut? Is it the same amount? I know wrestlers

686
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: were the ones that started bringing weightcutting into fighting, Luke,

687
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: I have known from hearing things covering boxing for years

688
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: that it's definitely substantial weightcutting like MMA, and there are

689
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: definitely at times fighters that are weight bullies. Like Julio says,

690
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: Ourshavez Junior quickly became a clown, but there was a

691
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: point where he was a viable middleweight, even one O title,

692
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: because you'd fight smaller fighters and in rehydrates and basically

693
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: a cruiser weight and just be this zombie that is

694
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: walking you down for ever. And when he was taking

695
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: things more seriously back then, he could box a little

696
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: and go to the body and just overwhelm you. But

697
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: I don't think they are cutting as massive. Every once

698
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: in a while, Brandon Riosh was a very dangerous cutter.

699
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: He cut twenty five pounds overnight, like just stupid numbers.

700
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: But I think it's more prevalent in MMA and by extension,

701
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: amateur wrestling. Tell me if I'm wrong to do these routine, ridiculous,

702
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,959
Speaker 1: oversized cuts that inevitably put you one step closer.

703
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no denying. I mean, the reasons for it

704
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 3: are pretty simple.

705
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: Like you know, obviously, like the more a community does something,

706
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 2: the better they're going to be at it. Right, So

707
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 2: like the wrestlers do have, you know, good practices on

708
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: losing weight. How healthy they are I don't know, But

709
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: like in terms of accomplishing the goal, of making the

710
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 2: weight that they've got. You know, they've got a refined

711
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 2: process relatively speaking, That's the first thing I'd say. But

712
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 2: also like it's just the demands are different. Now, if

713
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 2: you're wrestling a tournament and you're really trying to advance,

714
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 2: you know, this can get complicated. But remember we see

715
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 2: if I'm wrestling, what am I wrestling for two minutes?

716
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 3: Three minutes?

717
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 2: You know these bursts, right, that's just so different from boxing,

718
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 2: where if you have a twelve round bout and then

719
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 2: you have you know, one minute in the middle.

720
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 3: Dude, we're talking. You know, even an.

721
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 2: MMA bout with one minute in the middle is only

722
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 2: thirty Just the thirty six minutes from the twelve rounds

723
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: is more than that. Then you add in all the

724
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 2: other ones, and I know you're not getting beat on.

725
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, lengthens the process in those middle stages.

726
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 2: And so it's just much more taxing, much more unforgiving,

727
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 2: and so boxers have not been I think, as willing

728
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 2: to make some of those demands. And MMA is weird too,

729
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 2: because like you know, back when guys made substantial cuts,

730
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 2: like you know, Matt Hughes or whatever, they would still

731
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 2: just wrestle you and get on top where they're fighting

732
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 2: you on like completely advantageous terms and like little wrestling terms,

733
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: you know. But now in modern MMA, we know how

734
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 2: bad it is. It's harder to pull that off. Blah

735
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 2: blah blah.

736
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 3: But guys still cut a lot and mmy still cut

737
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 3: a lot. Yeah.

738
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: I wish people would fight at their own weight and

739
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: be healthier. And yeah, but you know, Luke, people want

740
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: the edge, right, That's why they used performance dancing drugs.

741
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: They want that edge.

742
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 2: When people say they're looking for any edge, they're looking

743
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: for any edge.

744
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 1: No, they're looking for drugs. Yeah.

745
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 3: So and also and also whippets in the back of

746
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 3: an Arby's well, I mean.

747
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: You know, could I say I'm proud of that look, Luke? No,

748
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: but you know, jamokah shaking at one hand of beef

749
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 1: and cheddar in the other. Some good friends, you know,

750
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: I've never had.

751
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 3: Okay, what let me let me ask you. Let me

752
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 3: ask you. Here's my mail bag, here's my mail bag? Wow?

753
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: Hanging low? Indeed?

754
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Doug Standhop says, like pulling the pizza slice

755
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 2: away from the pop cheese just stretches that like okay, uh,

756
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 2: what would you?

757
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 3: Okay, you take me into an Arby's. We're on a

758
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 3: best friend date.

759
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like this.

760
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 3: Okay, here we go.

761
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 2: Your job is to convince me with one order, and

762
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 2: you can't. You can order a bunch of stuff, can't

763
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: overwhelm me.

764
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: No, I got it. It's the only order that.

765
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: You gotta make sure I get an order that convinces

766
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 2: me to come back a second time.

767
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 3: What am I eating at Arby's?

768
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: You are eating the best meal that they offer, the

769
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: timeless classic that's still available all the time and the

770
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: only one I ever eat every three years when I

771
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: come back into an RB's and rekindle that nostalogia. They're

772
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: just hard to find in Connecticut. They're very random. But

773
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: beef and cheddar or most likely get two beef and

774
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: cheddars side of curly fries. Now, I'm going to force you, though,

775
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: to put ketchup on one of the beef and cheddars

776
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: and RB's sauce on the other. Arby sauce is like

777
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: this combo of ketchup and barbecue kind of with something

778
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: else in there. It's not overpowering it. It works out.

779
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: And then, Luke, you gotta get the jamocha shake, which

780
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: is I believe it's well, it's you know, the mocha

781
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: part of it. It makes sense, but there's almost like

782
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: a banana taste that mocha as well. It's it's an

783
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: incredible shake, Luke. I just think that that's the experience.

784
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: I know Arby has tried to pivot into not just

785
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 1: having the meats, Luke, Like, you know, I think that

786
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: meal would change you, Luke. As a fast food meal,

787
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: it's like gourmet fast food to me. Maybe it's but

788
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 1: again maybe it's because I didn't have access. You gotta

789
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: go to water beer. You gotta go deep into waterbiry too.

790
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: Like the North End, like you got to go you

791
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: had to want to be there. It was right next

792
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: to the Long Hill projects, Luke, where you could go

793
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: through the weed drive through said that they had, but

794
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: you had to like dodge the police car like there's

795
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: a lot and then if if it was hot, I

796
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: don't mean temperature, Luke, I mean police presence, you'd have

797
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: to get out of your car and go behind the

798
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: fence and then you're risking your life, you know what

799
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

800
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Mikey is BC right about the Arby's order.

801
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 3: What do you think type it in.

802
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: If you still he might, He says, I don't know

803
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: that you don't go to Arby's.

804
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: Wait, Mikey grew up, Mikey, you grew up in Jersey

805
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: in your formative years. I know that's a big white

806
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: castle area. Is they're not rbs.

807
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 3: White castles that we had. So in the South we

808
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 3: had the exact same thing as White Castle. It was

809
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 3: called Crystal.

810
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 1: Dude, Crystal rules. Can I tell you a Crystal story?

811
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 3: Yeah?

812
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: Did you ever hang out with Brett Okamoto Luke? Not

813
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: to bang them, just to hang out with him? Okay?

814
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 3: I have in the past. Yes, I mean, look.

815
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: You know what you wanna you wanta said about him?

816
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: He is a fitness guru, that guy Luke. He doesn't

817
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: put anything foul in his body. He's a you know

818
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: he he you.

819
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 3: Know what I mean?

820
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: So I was we were driving around Atlanta UFC two

821
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: oh one week, Luke, remember that card? What was the

822
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: main event at UFC two O one.

823
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 3: UFC? I don't remember.

824
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: Robbie Lawler versus Tyron Woodley.

825
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 3: Oh that's where he won the title.

826
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, Rose versus Carolina and the Colemane by

827
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: the way, and you know, I'm like, dude, can you

828
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: pull over like a fast or something. I gotta crush something.

829
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: I was in between meals, but I needed to crush something, Luke.

830
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: That's pre black liver diagnosis, by the way. It was

831
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: a little more loose in turn four, you know, like

832
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: like the intimidator or p But we go up to

833
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: the drive through, and dude, I used to hit crystals

834
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: on the on the drive to Florida as a kid. Right,

835
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: they're all over the Southlong with Shoney's breakfast buffet, which

836
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear you talk about how many

837
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: times you've torn up Big John style of Tokyo that

838
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: restroom at Shoney's. But Luke Thomas, I'm actually talking about.

839
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, Brett, I got I got

840
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: like six singles. I'm let me get let me get

841
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: off their dollar menu. Let me get like, you know, cheeseburger,

842
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: like onion rings, mazzarella sticks. Like dude, I was going

843
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: like around the globe. It was like the Epcot Beer

844
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: and Wine Tour, but in fast food form. And that

845
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: man Bretto Komodo, who was driving not only refused to

846
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: order anything from this this sloppy hill hole. In his words, Luke,

847
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: but he refused to touch it when the drive through

848
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: person passed it through the window, and he was so

849
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: turned off by how like just despicable. My order was

850
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 1: from top to bottom. And you know what, dude, crystal

851
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: is solid man, solid.

852
00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 3: Surprised, not surprised.

853
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 2: Uh Okamoto did that. That sounds about right. I would

854
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 2: have I would have indulged a little bit. I definitely

855
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,479
Speaker 2: would have indulged a little bit. I can't lie.

856
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: I mean, dude, you hit a Bashon's breakfast buffet as

857
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: a kid, right, They were all over the South.

858
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 3: I don't think I ever did that. My mom, My mom,

859
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 3: My mom.

860
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: Was ahead of the curve in like talking us out

861
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: of eating processed foods.

862
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 3: She knew back in the eighties, my mom.

863
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 2: So that's the thing, like like my mom grew up.

864
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 2: You know, people always talk about the Mediterranean diet. Dude,

865
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 2: that was just how my mom ate, you know what

866
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: I mean, Like before I ever had a name, my

867
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 2: mom would eat all of that. And when I remember

868
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: one ti I'm looking when someone's like we got to

869
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 2: have a Mediterranean diet, and then you'd look at it's

870
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: like dude, this is all the shit my mom made

871
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 2: me as a kid all the time, you know, so

872
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 2: that's pretty awesome that she was. She would she would

873
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: never we would eat like, you know, my dad because

874
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 2: my parents were obviously divorced, so like my dad would

875
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: take us to McDonalds and stuff like that.

876
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 3: So I definitely had.

877
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 2: It, but it was pretty sparingly relative to people whose

878
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:55,720
Speaker 2: parents were just like whatever.

879
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, yeah, my parents were definitely like whatever.

880
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 1: But I think it's because Luke. You know, my parents

881
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: grew up in the late fifties in the sixties, so

882
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: I think to them as kids going to earlier McDonald's

883
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 1: is my theory. I think that they still looked at

884
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: it as like a restaurant, not a elbow armpit, grease

885
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: hell hole. Right. So by the time we came around, dude,

886
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: we had McDonald's like once a week for dinner. And

887
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: that doesn't count like the times you're driving and you

888
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: can like convince your parents with like a last minute

889
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: you know, attempts to get like milkshakes or fries or something. Right, No,

890
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: that was like one meal a week, was like yeah,

891
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: we'll go to McDonald's. I think they just didn't know better.

892
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: But then, dude, the eighties was in there, especially the

893
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: nineties was the breakout. It was the peak of processed food.

894
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 3: Dude.

895
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: I think seventy five percent of the meals I ate

896
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: in high school were you know, heat it up in

897
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: the microwave and or or were Dude, I would put

898
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: plastic in the microwave back then all the time, like

899
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: all the stuff you wouldn't do.

900
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 3: Now, all that's okay, how about this.

901
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 2: My mom never had a microwave in the house. Wouldn't

902
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 2: allow it, wouldn't allow it.

903
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 3: Okay.

904
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 2: So if you want to if you wanted to pull fries,

905
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: for example, out of the freezer and just you know,

906
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 2: bang some out and just eat some dog, you had

907
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 2: to preheat the oven.

908
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 3: You had to lay you had to lay them out.

909
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 2: On tinfoil, you know what I'm saying, like on a tray,

910
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 2: and then we had to bake them like that was

911
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: so like there was it was always easier just to

912
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 2: eat like whatever she was willing to make or you know,

913
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 2: was you know that kind of stuff.

914
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 1: Like what like soy chips and plantains.

915
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no.

916
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 2: But like for example, we always had rice on hand,

917
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: just always there was always rice. We always had rice.

918
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: My mom always had salads, like every day we had salad,

919
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 2: like every single day of my life with my mom, Yeah, salid.

920
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 2: And so she was also good cook. So on occasions

921
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 2: there would be pastries and stuff like that. And you know,

922
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: obviously ate a lot of animal protein. But I grew

923
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 2: up on hummus. I grew up on some wooda I

924
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 2: grew up on. Like this stuff was just always around.

925
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: That's actually awesome, and it's great to have that in

926
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,479
Speaker 1: your sort of foundation, that is natural for you. But Luke,

927
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: I think I said this before, You're not going to

928
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: be surprised when I moved out when I was twenty

929
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: one and got a third floor dirt hole apartment literally

930
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: over the town Green in my town, Like remember on

931
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: the documentary when I was like dancing around the town Green,

932
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: Like right, the apartment was like right there, twenty five

933
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: cent beers at Melissa's Cafe, right, a couple like a

934
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: block over. But dude, I didn't use the stove one

935
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: time in the five years that I lived there, Luke.

936
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: One time a girlfriend cooked me mac and cheese on

937
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: that stove. I didn't use the stove. The oven one

938
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: time in five years do you realize I had because

939
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: my aunts knew that I had moved out, so like

940
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: for Christmas, they'd buy me like a Costco sized row

941
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 1: of like Chef boy ar decan, so like a fifty

942
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: pack or something. Dude, I had mounds of those in

943
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: my kitchen on the floor, and I mean that was

944
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: That was a lot of my meals. Do you know how?

945
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: No wonder why have a black liver? Like, do you

946
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 1: know how? Because all my other meals were just take out?

947
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: It was takeout and Chef boy r D. Dude, you know, Luke,

948
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: I probably could have died like I used to play

949
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: pick a ball in my twenties and fall to a

950
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: knee and not and not be able to see because

951
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: it'd be all like watches of colors, Like I was

952
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: that out of shape at times.

953
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, that's not my upbringing. I mean, don't

954
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:06,280
Speaker 3: get me wrong.

955
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: When you know it was time for dad to watch us,

956
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 2: there was a lot of Dell taco in the back

957
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 2: of the cart. Let there be no mistake about it.

958
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 2: But dude, my mom was My mom was a when

959
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 2: it came to that kind of stuff.

960
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 3: She was a disciplinarian, man. All right, all.

961
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: Right, what do you ever think about breaking out that

962
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: whip and being like, Tuoki, your days of eating sweets

963
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 1: are over?

964
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 3: No, it was not. We don't have to fight her

965
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 3: too hard, but like it bums me out.

966
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 2: As when she was a baby, when she was six

967
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 2: months old, we took her to Columbia and then we

968
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 2: were at some restaurant and someone at the it was

969
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 2: a big family dinner for my wife's family, and like

970
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: someone at the table actually ordered hummus, and you know,

971
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 2: it's the consistency of soft for a six month old

972
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 2: to eat, basically, And so I was like, she was hungry,

973
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: and I didn't know what else to feed her, so

974
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: I tried to give her something.

975
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 3: She loved it. She loved it.

976
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: Oh, and it was so touching for me, right, I

977
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, here's my daughter eating hummus. Yeah,

978
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: you know my mom. My mom would be so happy,

979
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 2: you know. And uh.

980
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 3: And then like a year later, she's like, I hate hummus.

981
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 3: It's gross, and I'm like, no, yeah, yeah, she did.

982
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 3: I have to work on it.

983
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: Now, does your dad try to get a head start

984
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 1: diplomatically and teach her like about global politics and stuff?

985
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 3: Nor. He keeps it pretty basic. Y.

986
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: That's fair, That's fair. I didn't know what his what

987
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 1: his limits were, Luke, I love that guy. Let's question.

988
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 3: I'm sure he will if he's around long enough.

989
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, he'd be like when I was in Doha,

990
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 1: come over here too, because I got a story he's told.

991
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 3: He'll definitely tell me anything I asked. For sure, he'll

992
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 3: do that. Okay, we'll do that, Luke.

993
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: This is Corey Pope seventy four hundred. Now, look, he's

994
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: trying to ask us our top five most exciting active

995
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: fighters in the UFC. But I feel like we have

996
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: done that before in different, various ad nauseum ways. So, Luke,

997
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: I got two different questions for you related to this.

998
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: You would you rather answer his question or my two

999
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 1: related ones?

1000
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 3: Why don't you go first and then I'll go second?

1001
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: How about that, Luke, who are your five favorite active

1002
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: boxers to watch?

1003
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 2: Sure? Well, you gotta put By Crawford on that list.

1004
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, kind of starts with him, so then

1005
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 2: it's got to be Boots Ennis after that. Okay, then

1006
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 2: it's got to be active boxers, right arthurberterbev.

1007
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, By the way, he just pulled out of

1008
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 1: that Calm Smith fight. Got hurt. Yeah, he can't stop

1009
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: getting hurt, that.

1010
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 2: Guy, probably because he's training like a maniac. Yeah, so

1011
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 2: those are those three for sure. Then I guess you'd

1012
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 2: put in a way on that list for me.

1013
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1014
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 2: This again, this is not a ranking of the best

1015
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 2: all stuff. I mean, it's kind of like these guys

1016
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 2: are all champs. But I'm just telling you which ones

1017
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: I've like, I've gotten the most joy from or whatever.

1018
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 2: And then last on that list, Oh, that's a tough one.

1019
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: You gotta have tank. Come on, you gotta have tank.

1020
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gotta be tank. It's gotta be tank.

1021
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 2: Tank got be does plant fight was really good?

1022
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, and I've never been a tank super fan.

1023
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: And and you know, like sometimes you just get attached

1024
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: to guys and you're like, hey, that's my guy, Like

1025
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: like Spence has been my guy. It's probably no surprise

1026
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: that I picked him, although I think there was great

1027
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: justification if that was the lane you went. But yeah,

1028
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 1: tank Spence still dude, Spence makes just such high skilled

1029
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: fun fights. I don't I don't know if he's good.

1030
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: I don't know how he's gonna bounce. Look, there there

1031
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: are people Kenny Fords, people saying like he should retire.

1032
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's fair, like does not seem extreme.

1033
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 3: I think until you've seen him at one fifty four.

1034
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 2: It's not fair. I will say that. I think until

1035
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 2: youve seen him on fifty four, it's not fair. But BC,

1036
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 2: this is what I've been thinking of, and I was

1037
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: I told you, like man, Bud Crawford was so right.

1038
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 2: Did you gotta watch this interview with with Rosenberg and

1039
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 2: ebro nine you haven't seen? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And

1040
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 2: basically what he says in there, he did.

1041
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 3: He was right.

1042
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 2: He's like when Spence came back and he had the

1043
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 2: Danny Garcia fight, you know, he looked good, but he

1044
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 2: didn't look all the way back and you know, and

1045
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 2: then there was what was the other one? It was

1046
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 2: the Porter was a Porter fight too or whatever. He

1047
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 2: didn't look himself in. But what he was saying was

1048
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 2: by the time he got to Ugas, he said, he

1049
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 2: looks sensational. And that's exactly what I said to you

1050
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: last week because it's true, Like to me, he looked

1051
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: by the time the Ugas fight came around, he did

1052
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: look good. So there's these questions of like what does

1053
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 2: the what is the retina surgery, what is the car crash?

1054
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 2: The horrible car crash, and then you know what it

1055
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 2: all amounts to, And it's like, well, if he looked

1056
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 2: good in the Ugas fight, maybe nothing. But now you

1057
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 2: add in this beating he took from Bud that went

1058
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 2: for nine rounds. It probably could have gotten stopped before

1059
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: that dude, at some point, all of that has to

1060
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 2: weigh into something. The car crash, the surgery, the beating

1061
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 2: Bud gave him, Like this has to end, Like there's

1062
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 2: no way he's the same.

1063
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 3: Guy at this point. I just feel like one before

1064
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 3: you're gonna get a better look.

1065
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: He's also kind of lived hard, even separate from the crash,

1066
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: Luke and the recovery, Like a big part of the

1067
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: undisciplined attack he had against Porter, which was the fight

1068
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: that was two weeks before that big accident, was that

1069
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: he was you know, he was drinking a lot in

1070
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 1: between camps and was you know, like there was that

1071
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: time when he got in the ring after after Seanporter

1072
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: beat Danny Garcia in Brooklyn, Spence got in the ring

1073
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: and they kind of did a little back and forth

1074
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: to set up their pay per view which was going

1075
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: to be next. And I don't know if you remember that, Luke,

1076
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: but Spence he did like the good friends, I love

1077
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: your dada, Well let's get it on. But he did

1078
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: like a press afterwards of like the press conference, and

1079
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: he was like hammered, like slurring his speech and Okay,

1080
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: not a big deal, but you can go out to

1081
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: a fight and get loaded whatever. But what we found

1082
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: out after the fact from the accident was that he

1083
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: was very undisciplined in blowing up and wait between camps

1084
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: during that sort of prime original run and we just

1085
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: didn't really realize it. So while it's good that he

1086
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: was able to turn that around and used that, you know,

1087
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: his body's been through a bit, and even in these

1088
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: most recent wins like the Ugas one, he was you know,

1089
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: he was right there in the pocket, willing to trade

1090
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: and eat punches. He also has had like years off

1091
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: a year off at a time between fights and didn't

1092
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: fight at all on twenty twenty one, So that can

1093
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: make it hard because notice the one thing he didn't

1094
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: say after this lost to Crawford was, first of all,

1095
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: he wouldn't give an excuse, which I respect, but he

1096
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't lean on the weight cut. He never brought it up.

1097
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: He only brought up that his timing was off. So

1098
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 1: you just have to wonder that when you when you are,

1099
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 1: when you have these other factors. And this is not

1100
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: to make excuses. Bud trounced him, and probably you know,

1101
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: would have under any circumstance from based on that experience,

1102
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: but you might not. You know, like it's gambling when

1103
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: you're off for a year, year and a half and

1104
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: then you try to come back for a super big fight.

1105
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: You're gambling that, especially at this age now in his thirties,

1106
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: that you're just going to be one hundred percent and

1107
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: everything's going to click. When you're not active, you're always

1108
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: taking that risk, and sometimes it clicks and sometimes it doesn't.

1109
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 1: There's a lot of other factors too, which I don't

1110
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 1: think we weigh in, even for established fighters, confidence, doubt,

1111
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: things like that. So it is kind of a perfect

1112
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: an imperfect formula to produce the best out of a

1113
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: fighter on any given night. But I don't know. Look,

1114
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: at the end end of the day, Crawford, yes deserves

1115
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 1: all the flowers from that wind, and yes, I do

1116
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: think we have right to be to question Spence's actual future,

1117
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: But I still can't get over that he wasn't competitive

1118
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: at all, Almost like I'm trying to find what was

1119
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: the answer, what was there?

1120
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 2: Let me tell you, let me tell you something. And again,

1121
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 2: I've kind of been discussing this. I can't remember who

1122
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 2: we've talked to. We literally talked about this twenty minutes ago.

1123
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 2: Wouldn't surprise me. I'm just kind of all over the place.

1124
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 2: But I had to talk with someone inside the industry

1125
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,479
Speaker 2: today in boxing and they asked me, what did you think?

1126
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,720
Speaker 2: How bad was the weight cut? And you and I

1127
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 2: have talked about this. We think it matters enough that

1128
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 2: you have to acknowledge it, but it's not really what

1129
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 2: decided it.

1130
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 3: It's just not like what decided it.

1131
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 2: Is Bud's extraordinary skill and performance, right, That's what decided it.

1132
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 2: So I do think you'll get something different at one

1133
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 2: fifty four, but given the skill gap, you would favor Bud.

1134
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 2: But I will say this BC the layoff after Ugas,

1135
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 2: I think that played a big role because if you

1136
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 2: go back and you listen to Derek James in the corner,

1137
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 2: he is telling Spence not only to do stuff that

1138
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 2: Spence wasn't doing. But it's stuff he's done in other fights, dude.

1139
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 2: Like I noticed it from the tape study. He was

1140
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 2: saying all the things. I'm like, oh my god, dude,

1141
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 2: this is like straight from the Kelbrook fight.

1142
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 3: Was one.

1143
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 2: There's a different stance, but like one of the attacks

1144
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 2: he warned him to do on the inside, and I

1145
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 2: was like, dude, he is off.

1146
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 3: He's completely off. Now.

1147
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 2: I think Bud dropping him in the second round clearly

1148
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 2: had an impact and rattled him, and then he just

1149
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 2: he were like, oh he didn't have a This is

1150
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 2: the other part too, like, oh, he didn't have another

1151
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 2: game plan. Well, no, he didn't have a counter fighting

1152
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 2: but like his A game, ladies and gentlemen, Eryl Spence's

1153
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 2: A game is before he fought Bud Crawford overwhelming against

1154
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 2: every stance, every body type, every style, every everything he

1155
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 2: had ever faced. It swallowed all of it. It's just

1156
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 2: against Bud there was simply nothing he could do. But

1157
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 2: I think the fact that he was so out of rhythm,

1158
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 2: which Bud's skill gap exacerbated. Honestly, I think that had

1159
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 2: more to do with the result than the weight cut.

1160
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 2: That's a personal opinion.

1161
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and I don't say any of that to

1162
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 1: take anything away from Yeah.

1163
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 3: No, we didn't need that.

1164
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 1: We didn't need that to take anything away from Bud obviously.

1165
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 1: It's just that, Look, we've covered Spence a long time.

1166
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: It was shocking that that there were you know, he tried,

1167
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: he tried to have moments, there were no moments more

1168
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: or less. In the end, you rounded out your five

1169
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:29,879
Speaker 1: favorite boxers. I think you gotta have Usik in there

1170
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: for me personally, Ker Stevenson, Dromel. I mean, I could

1171
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: just keep naming, but it's like, how about Benavetez and

1172
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 1: Morel Both of those guys I think are really fun

1173
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: to watch. There's there's a there's a huge amount right now.

1174
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 1: And the best part is all these guys, for the

1175
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 1: most part, are young. I could ad Tao.

1176
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 3: Femo in there.

1177
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: He's a reality show. You have to watch him. Luke

1178
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: and that there. But I wanted to spin off this

1179
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: guy's question, Corey Pope seventy four hundred and you think

1180
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: I'm going to entrap you, but I'm not. Luke. He

1181
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: wanted to know your five favorite active UFC fighters to watch.

1182
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: But again, we've done that So what are your five

1183
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 1: favorite female you have her MMA fighters to watch. And

1184
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: again I'm not trying to trap you about looks or

1185
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: Instagram or only like all timer right now, no active

1186
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: fighters right now. Which five females are you like? Does

1187
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: their game make you the most intrigued when you watch?

1188
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 2: It's a good question. Let me see, let me think

1189
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 2: about that. For sure, blanche Field, Aaron Blanchfield gotta be

1190
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 2: top of that list.

1191
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 3: She is an exciting moment. Tatiano Suarez, yep, for sure.

1192
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: Her dude, how about Dern, She's got to be in

1193
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: there too.

1194
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 2: She was, and she fell out and then she had

1195
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 2: that last performance. So now I guess she's on the

1196
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 2: bubble for me. You know, she might be going to

1197
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 2: the n I t I'm not sure if she's gonna

1198
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if she's gonna.

1199
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 3: Play in the round of sixty four. I'm trying to decide.

1200
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 2: But okay, so those two for sure, you know, I

1201
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 2: would say Chefchenko. I think that there's a lot of

1202
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 2: people online that are horny for her, and.

1203
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 3: It's overwhelming and off putting.

1204
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 2: But her skill and her accomplishment have been in important

1205
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 2: and I've enjoyed watching it.

1206
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: She's brilliant to watch. I think even when the fights

1207
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: get boring, and sometimes they are for opponents don't engage,

1208
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: I just think she's brilliant to watch.

1209
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 3: It's yeah, for sure, obviously I have great appreciation.

1210
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 2: For Jeong Wiley, but I don't know if she's like

1211
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 2: I mean, because she's champion, it is destination viewing. I

1212
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 2: just don't have the same kind of uh, sentimental attachment

1213
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 2: in that way. I'm trying to think, dude, are we

1214
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 2: oh you know what, maybe stamp fair Tex you know,

1215
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she puts on fun fights, bro, like they're

1216
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 2: not There's there's.

1217
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: A high charisma entertainment value to that, and when she

1218
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: mixes it with savagery, it's it's it's worth the watch. Yeah.

1219
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 2: I feel like, like, I don't know, it's weird. I

1220
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 2: I the women's game, you know, for example, like someone

1221
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 2: like Aaron Blanchfield. I'm so glad she's here because this

1222
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 2: next generation of well roundedness, the modern MMA game. She

1223
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 2: can do all the things that a modern MM fighters

1224
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,439
Speaker 2: supposed to do and then certain things exceedingly well.

1225
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 3: And she's she's like vicious.

1226
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 2: And mean, like this is what you want, right, like

1227
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 2: a young person who like she's like she she reminds

1228
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 2: me of iliotoporia or or vice versa. Like these young

1229
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 2: guns who are already so skilled just kind of like

1230
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 2: mowing people down.

1231
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 3: Like you really love it.

1232
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 2: But the women's game, I feel like maybe several years ago,

1233
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 2: around the time of Ronda, just had more personalities that

1234
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 2: were bigger, you know. And I don't know what to

1235
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 2: attribute that to. Maybe the media coverage of the women's Game.

1236
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 2: Maybe it's just you know, it ebbs and it flows.

1237
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I feel like stant Fairtech's like,

1238
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 2: I don't know that I rate her on the way

1239
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 2: that I would rate you know, I don't watch her

1240
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 2: for the same reason I would necessarily watch Aaron Blanchfield.

1241
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 2: But one has done a good job of celebrating her personality.

1242
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 3: And it makes a difference in the end, you know.

1243
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I'm with you on that. I still think

1244
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: Rose is the most interesting female fighter to watch, Luke,

1245
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: the fights are always always something going on in those fights,

1246
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: for sure. Great look David kersh five nine six four

1247
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: as a worthy question, this is kind of interesting.

1248
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 2: Guarantee that's his pin number, So if you get his

1249
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 2: credit card just account.

1250
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 3: Wow.

1251
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: With the reports of Disney thinking about selling small stakes

1252
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: of ESPN to leagues like the NBA and NFL instead

1253
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: of seeing ESPN outright, instead of selling ESPN outright?

1254
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 3: Excuse me?

1255
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: Do you think that Endeavor could be one of the

1256
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: companies that they sell a stake of ESPN to if

1257
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: Disney goes down that route? And if so, how do

1258
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: you think that would impact the number of cards in

1259
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: UFC per year and the quality of the cards? So luke,

1260
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: they're saying if parent company Disney starts selling pieces of

1261
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: ESPN and Endeavor buys it, would that give them more

1262
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: influence to or how would that affect.

1263
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 2: I'm just completely of the belief that, like, here's how

1264
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 2: you know me and BC are old. I think you

1265
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 2: can pull the camera back there, Mike her Yeah.

1266
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: This is usually where I touch myself. I'll look talk

1267
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 1: so please thank you?

1268
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet, I bet you do.

1269
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 2: Sick Rby's eating bastard. But uh oh god, now you

1270
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 2: got me de reil. What the hell are we talking about?

1271
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: Disney and stock.

1272
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, I mean that's how you know we're old.

1273
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 2: It's like, I think sports journalism is basically going away.

1274
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 2: I think the sports influencer world, and it's sort of

1275
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 2: a broad term for a lot of different things that

1276
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 2: get called influencer that aren't necessarily that way, but anyway,

1277
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 2: you get the idea. Any Like, all of these old

1278
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 2: legacy media outlets and media businesses right now in trouble

1279
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 2: and in a lot of different ways, and I just like,

1280
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 2: you know, people asking tough questions making it hard. Everything

1281
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 2: is about brands working together. Everything is about you know, uh,

1282
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 2: like no one is trying to work. Everything is about

1283
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 2: access everything. Everything is about like shutting up about any

1284
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 2: bad questions, taking the money where it's coming from, celebrating

1285
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 2: who the people are you get told to celebrate, and

1286
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 2: then moving on to the next job the next week.

1287
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 2: Over Like all of all the stuff that sports journalism

1288
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 2: used to do is so clearly going away. I don't

1289
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 2: know where it's going to go. There's some market for it,

1290
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. So to your point, I absolutely think

1291
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 2: if they put it up for sale, Endeavor would try

1292
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 2: to buy it. Whether they would, I don't know, but

1293
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 2: I think they would, And if they did, I one

1294
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 2: billion percent believe, Like, dude, when does the UFC buy

1295
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 2: something and then soft touch it like it's just not

1296
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 2: what they do. It's not what they do. What they

1297
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 2: do is control. What they do is fastball. What they

1298
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 2: do is what they do is is that all the time.

1299
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 2: It's what they know. It's been their key to success.

1300
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 2: It's been their key to domination. They're not about to

1301
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 2: change it now. One thousand percent. They would use that

1302
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 2: to leverage more favorable coverage guaranteed.

1303
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I don't think that's the world that we.

1304
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: Should a slow play to get slap dick on the plus.

1305
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 2: Luca, you really need to consider something. I don't know

1306
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 2: if you've been following it because now, I mean, we'll

1307
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 2: talk about this in the show tomorrow, so this will

1308
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 2: be a repeat from what we've already talked about by

1309
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 2: the time people see this, because we're in a weird

1310
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 2: space in the space time continuum. But this the ABC

1311
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 2: had a meeting in Las Vegas over the week. Have

1312
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 2: you been paying attention to this at all?

1313
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 3: Oh? No, I don't.

1314
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: I don't typically pay attention to things.

1315
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 2: Look, you know, well, dude, I got to tell you,

1316
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 2: like a lot of it's no big deal. A lot

1317
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 2: of it is, you know, stuff that doesn't really matter.

1318
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 2: Minor adjustments to some kind of esoteric rule or hears

1319
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 2: some on the job training for referees and whatever. Stuff

1320
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 2: that wasn't doesn't necessarily impact this day to day, but

1321
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 2: some of the bigger stuff is. And it turns out

1322
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 2: that Colorado's commission for sanctioning one is kind of on

1323
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 2: the outside looking in number one, like they're apparently like

1324
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 2: I don't know if they have been ostracized fully, but

1325
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 2: Mike Mazzoli took to Twitter to kind of like chastise

1326
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 2: him about sort of misrepresenting something. And you know, other

1327
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 2: people speaking to this have kind of indicated that Colorado

1328
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 2: has been somewhat you know, pushed out a little bit.

1329
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 3: But the bigger part.

1330
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 2: Is a UFC rep went up there and said quite

1331
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 2: clearly they want to sanction it slap in fifty states,

1332
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 2: and dude, these commissions clearly don't view themselves as watchdog.

1333
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 2: They view themselves as a little bit more like chamber

1334
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 2: of commerce is what I would say, where they're kind

1335
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 2: of trying to find to create a way to create

1336
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 2: favorable environments. There was that article about the Utah essentially

1337
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 2: commission basically paying for UFC to come out there and

1338
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 2: doing what they were doing twice in a row.

1339
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 3: But like they were.

1340
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 2: You know, there were doctors that did, like ringside physicians

1341
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 2: that were saying, like, some of the seizures from SLAP

1342
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 2: are the worst they've ever seen. The point I'm trying

1343
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 2: to make is if the UFC really believes they can

1344
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 2: make money off SLAP, and if they believe that they

1345
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 2: can do this on the cheap, which is what I

1346
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 2: think they can do, and they can use their regulatory

1347
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 2: might to force the states to do it, and then

1348
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 2: the states who don't don't get UFC. Well, dude, all

1349
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 2: of a sudden, SLAP is now much more part of

1350
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 2: the culture because it has truly been forced into it

1351
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 2: in a way where all of the things that were

1352
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 2: supposed to be in place to stop it no longer can.

1353
01:01:58,240 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you that's not like people like, why

1354
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 2: are you down on MMA these days?

1355
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 3: I got to tell you there's some stuff happening I

1356
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 3: don't really like all that much. This is top of

1357
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 3: the list.

1358
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: Look, we don't typically get biblical on this show, but

1359
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've read revelations, do you think

1360
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: slaptick is ultimately the mark of the beast Luke.

1361
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 3: The mark of the least?

1362
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, yeah, I'm not getting that mark on me.

1363
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: All right, I have very few minutes left, Luke, So

1364
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 1: at our yav three, what is your favorite discontinued foods?

1365
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: That's at that's a trigger, dude.

1366
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 3: You know what shut down? And I forgot to tell you.

1367
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 2: So I actually hadn't been in forever because I was

1368
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 2: like someone, when was the last time I went to

1369
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 2: Burger King?

1370
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 3: I don't even know, I don't know.

1371
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So dude, there was a burger King in

1372
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 2: the northwest side of town here in DC.

1373
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 3: You can look this up.

1374
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 2: They just shut it down, maybe like a month ago

1375
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 2: or so something like maybe a little bit longer than that,

1376
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 2: but like recently and in side it was the last

1377
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 2: burger king in America. Filled it with like from top

1378
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 2: to bottom with all the eighties nostalgia, all like the

1379
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 2: Back to the Future et you know, you name it,

1380
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 2: kind of like figurines and like wal Art and.

1381
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 3: The booths were made like that back in those old

1382
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 3: eighties style.

1383
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 2: They had preserved basically eighties burger King Americana.

1384
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:26,919
Speaker 3: They shut it down, bro, it was the last one.

1385
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 3: Can you believe that?

1386
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 1: That pisses me off? As a long time connoisseur that

1387
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 1: type of bullshit. But look, you know I'm gonna be fair.

1388
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 1: I've never been a BK guy. I've certainly absolutely dominated

1389
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 1: it a lot in my life, but I've never been.

1390
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 2: Like the meat patties are too dry, even when they

1391
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:42,959
Speaker 2: cook them, they're too dry.

1392
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot in general.

1393
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 3: I don't like Wendy's.

1394
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 2: Like, for example, Wendy's makes the double in the triple stack,

1395
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 2: but their burgers are real greasy, like it all fits together,

1396
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 2: Burger King. It almost feels like you're just eating three

1397
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 2: different layers of like wallpaper.

1398
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you never you ever like injure your right

1399
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 1: wrist and then you have to wipe with your off hand, Luke,

1400
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 1: and it's just like you're trying to get in that rhythm.

1401
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: It's just the ward and like you'd.

1402
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 3: Be standing only one.

1403
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 1: Yes, But I feel like eating Burking is like the

1404
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: fast food version of it just feels like in an

1405
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: alternate universe, like McDonald's was like the main one, and

1406
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: then Wendy's was like special because we didn't have it

1407
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 1: available in a short drive. But yeah, Burking was always

1408
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: like that wanna be to me.

1409
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 3: Luke, Okay, Yeah, it's not my favorite it's not my

1410
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,439
Speaker 3: favorite either. It's not my favorite either.

1411
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 1: All right, that I'll have to do it, Luke, I've

1412
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 1: got I've got dinner to attend to. It's been a pleasure,

1413
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 1: you know, feeling feeling up this bag, the mail bag

1414
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: of these people, these male p ones, you know, Luke,

1415
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 1: it would be it would be Shakespeare and if not ironic,

1416
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 1: don't you think or whatever the term should be. If

1417
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: you die by the sword of an m K P

1418
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: One one day, Yeah, there's there's like a poetic justice

1419
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: in that. There is like it. It'd be sad, like

1420
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: I'd mourn you to a certain degree, but like that,

1421
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 1: there would be a like sort of an epic level

1422
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 1: of poetic justice to that.

1423
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 2: I mean, getting knifed at a you know, a bar

1424
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 2: for some tweet up would be quite appropriate.

1425
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 1: I feel like getting shived, Yeah, that'd be good.

1426
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 3: That's the that's the MK calling someone's tattoo like rough.

1427
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 3: Someone just comes fucking knife me right between the sixth

1428
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 3: and seventh.

1429
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 1: That's a sour no t and Luke, I'm sorry about that.

1430
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 1: Thank you. Look you want to take us out of here,

1431
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 1: I'll just sit here and uh and hope that.

1432
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, what is your order tonight, tell us what

1433
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 2: you're eating, and then we'll go.

1434
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to the chop house, and you know

1435
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 1: I am allowed when one beef meal per week, so

1436
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I haven't done the steak. Steak's hurt. I

1437
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 1: mean they hurt bad, Luke. My liver's not made for

1438
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: steaks anymore. But I'm thinking about doing a steak.

1439
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 3: Oh okay, Well, don't you go dying on me.

1440
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 1: Either that or you know I've been getting the scallops

1441
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: lately when I'm not paying.

1442
01:05:57,680 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 3: When you know, I'm not a scallop guy. I'm not

1443
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 3: scal I mean, when done right, it is, it is good.

1444
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 3: They're good.

1445
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 2: I've eaten them. I eat them, but I'm not a

1446
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:07,479
Speaker 2: scouting Guys are weird.

1447
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 1: If they miss on it. It's like it sounds like

1448
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 1: a cover band and it tastes gross, you know what

1449
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: I mean. Like it's like there's times when I don't know,

1450
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 1: I feel like barbecue ribs is the same thing, Luke.

1451
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: It has to be top shelf or I can't do it.

1452
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, all right, all right, I think we're done.

1453
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 2: That's Brian Campbell. I'm Luke Thomas. Leave us, Please don't

1454
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 2: fire us, buy everyone