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Speaker 5: Oh man, I'm not sure I've ever been this excited

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Speaker 5: to be in this seat to take the Anakid Florin Podcast.

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Speaker 5: It is Monday, July eighth, twenty nineteen. It is seven

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Speaker 5: forty six am Pacific time. It is episode two oh eight.

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Speaker 5: I think of the Anakid Florin Podcast super necessary that

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Speaker 5: we're here today. Jorge game Bred Masfi Doll is going

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Speaker 5: to be the lead on this program today. But We

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Speaker 5: certainly have a lot to get to. Rey Longo coming

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Speaker 5: up in about five minutes. Picks for Sacramento as well. Oh,

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Speaker 5: UFC two thirty nine, UFC two thirty nine, Tedflow looking

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Speaker 5: great this morning. I like when you keep that hair short, man,

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Speaker 5: you know, I don't know. Clark must agree because you're

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Speaker 5: keeping it shorter these days.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, cut of a little shorter man. But my goodness,

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Speaker 6: sometimes if you're good, if you behave yourself, you get

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Speaker 6: rewarded with a UFC card like this man, And what

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Speaker 6: a card.

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Speaker 7: First of all, we were completely spoiled.

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Speaker 6: But out of all those amazing fights and surprising upsets

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Speaker 6: and fantastic knockouts, out of all of them, Jorhe Mosvidal

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Speaker 6: really stole the show.

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Speaker 7: So I agree with you, man, you're starting with the

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Speaker 7: right guy.

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Speaker 5: Well, we're actually leading with your hair and then we're

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Speaker 5: gonna get to my So you do some some common

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Speaker 5: for Kasai grappling and yeah, yeah, So.

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Speaker 6: Kasai is a professional juts organization. We did an event

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Speaker 6: actually in Disney World. We typically been doing out of

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Speaker 6: New York, but now we're starting to travel around all

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Speaker 6: over the United States. We're actually going to Brazil. Now

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Speaker 6: Rich Byrne, who heads up that operation, has been a uh,

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Speaker 6: you know a long time, you know, professional guy in

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Speaker 6: the investment services and he's a black belt in Brazilian jujitsu,

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Speaker 6: been doing jiu jitsu for a long time and wanted

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Speaker 6: to start his own juts organization and you know, basically

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Speaker 6: just wants to put together fights that he wants to

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Speaker 6: see and and we we get a lot of great matches.

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Speaker 6: But because of it, Actually, Mike Perry actually did a

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Speaker 6: jiu jitsu match in the Gee like I think they

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Speaker 6: called him that day and he showed up. When it

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Speaker 6: gets a dude, that's all he does is Brazilian jiu jitsu,

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Speaker 6: and Mike Perry went out and won the match.

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Speaker 7: It was it was pretty cool to see.

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Speaker 5: Man, that's incredible. That's sort of what I was hoping

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Speaker 5: to get out of you. Yeah, I saw your your

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Speaker 5: posts on social media over the weekend about Platinum Perry

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Speaker 5: stepping up in Central Florida. There, we'll good for Mike

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Speaker 5: Perry and good for you. So does this investor who

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Speaker 5: has his own jiu jitsu company. Must be nice for

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Speaker 5: these guys, right, It's like, you know what, I'm just

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Speaker 5: gonna start my own fucking.

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Speaker 6: Did they require you keep your hair short? You know,

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Speaker 6: this is more of a Kenny thing. It's summertime. It's

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Speaker 6: hot as hell. Orlando is hot, dude. It was so

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Speaker 6: Kent flows.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, bit of advice, just keep it short like that.

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Speaker 5: I mean every few weeks. You know, I don't know

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Speaker 5: why all these men think they need all of this hair.

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Speaker 5: I I just don't understand. All right, So a lot

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Speaker 5: time connecting today. Go fucking figure. But Jorge game Bred

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Speaker 5: mosfeedal right, forty seventh professional fight. He has been at

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Speaker 5: any which way, Kenny, but TJ. DeSantis did a postfight

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Speaker 5: show with King Mo Lawall, who said that two months ago,

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Speaker 5: George suggested that not only was he going to try

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Speaker 5: which is something that obviously fighters do and have done,

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Speaker 6: A little deception and a big smile to start that match.

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Speaker 6: go for it and they commit to it. When they do,

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Speaker 6: good things happen, and this was a great example of that.

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Speaker 6: There was a video that's going around of Jorge Mosvidal

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Speaker 7: And it was just a beautiful, beautiful knee.

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Speaker 6: You know, when you're going against a wrestler, perhaps seven, eight,

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Speaker 6: double like they're going to get it done with the takedown, right,

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Speaker 6: you have to be extremely precise with this specific flying knee,

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Speaker 6: and Mosvidal went for it. Ben Askron, of course, with

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Speaker 7: That's exactly what he did.

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Speaker 6: Mosvedal took advantage of it, and his hunch paid off.

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Speaker 5: So obviously, I'm contractually prevented from betting on these fights,

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Speaker 5: I don't know how his squeeze relates to like the

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Speaker 5: Jorge Mosfidal, and Jorge on the post show was almost

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Speaker 5: you tell me just about Askrin and his inability to

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Speaker 6: You know, I think that most fighters, when you're getting

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Speaker 7: That's what happens.

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Speaker 6: You get out to the center of the octagon, you

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Speaker 6: And a lot of times when you see that and

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Speaker 6: And again we could be talking about how how stupid

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Speaker 6: He could have got taken down, controlled, you know, chipped

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Speaker 6: But that was not the case. Mosvidal absolutely killed it

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Speaker 5: There was definitely risk, but a lot of experience and

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Speaker 5: of these American Top Team conversations with Jorge Mosfidal and

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Speaker 5: Mike Brown and King Mo and everybody else, just absolutely incredible.

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Speaker 5: Mike Brown, of course, won the Coach of the Year

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Speaker 5: over the weekend American Top Team the Team of the Year,

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Speaker 5: and Amanda Nunez and Tiago Santos nearly broke through. We're

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Speaker 5: gonna get to all of that we will not short

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Speaker 5: change anybody on UFC two thirty nine. But the last

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Speaker 5: guy you would ever want a short change, or heaven forbid,

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Speaker 5: be ten minutes late for let's get to the Ray Longo.

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Speaker 2: It's now time for the Ray Longo minutes.

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Speaker 7: And I'm going to punch a hole in this fucking chops.

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Speaker 7: That's what I want.

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Speaker 2: The Ray Longo minute during Ray Longo the John Annik

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Speaker 5: The Great Raylanco now joins us and we we aren't

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Speaker 5: going to be moving the show up this early every week, Ray,

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Speaker 5: But I do feel like we're cramping your style a

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Speaker 5: little bit.

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Speaker 3: No, No, definitely, it's just that time forty five is perfect.

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Speaker 3: Are you Kenny doing out there? Kenny? What time is

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Speaker 3: it over there?

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Speaker 7: It's eight? It's eight in the morning. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: See, So Ray, do you drink? Do you drink black

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Speaker 5: rifle coffee in the morning? Do you drink tea? Do

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Speaker 5: you have a Coca Cola? Maybe just some water with lemon?

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Speaker 5: I mean, how do you get yourself going?

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Speaker 3: I have a cold brew every morning and match a

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Speaker 3: pity that's like you drinks some morning?

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Speaker 5: Okay, So have you had the cold brew yet?

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Speaker 3: There's something wrong with him. I'm waiting, and I'm waiting

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Speaker 3: he's exercises. He got nobody's expertise. Looked like you looked

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Speaker 3: I mean this guy guys the gay we please. But

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Speaker 3: back down. They had a donut board before you leave,

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Speaker 3: That's that's all I get. That was a whole night,

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Speaker 3: though it's just bull busting at some poor guy's wedding.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, probably poor guy emphasis.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, this is what he is for. You invited

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Speaker 5: Little ESPN pluss going on over the weekend. Well can

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Speaker 7: To check it. Kill you.

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Speaker 5: Probably a gluten free donut for your buddy, Matt Sarah.

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Speaker 5: He's only eating gluten free pizza now.

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Speaker 3: There was no gluten free that night for him. Probably

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Speaker 7: No, no, no, he's no.

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Speaker 5: So were you the wedding was knocked out? Ben askrin

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Speaker 5: I can't even imagine what I mean, what can you

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Speaker 3: Man? I tell you why? Man? I mean, what really

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I feel bad for Ben Askrim, but

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Speaker 3: But uh then he's but bos that was a fighter, man.

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Speaker 3: I always I always liked him, one of my favorite fighters.

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Speaker 6: I I actually have a question for you, man, it

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Speaker 5: I It's hard to gauge time in that moment, right,

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Speaker 5: And that the manner in which he recovered was very slow. Right,

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Speaker 6: Ray So given that, I mean, obviously Ascort was doing

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Speaker 6: He'd been hit in fights, no doubt about it. We've

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Speaker 7: I mean, is that is that too extreme to say that?

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Speaker 3: No, it's definitely not too extreme. Look, look, as I'm

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: He could be a win on paper, right, but that

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Speaker 7: Yes?

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Speaker 3: And then jump back, So in the course of four months,

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Speaker 3: But I definitely get medical attention, make sure everything's right

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Speaker 3: And it might have run out Saturday night. You might

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Speaker 3: But just not good. It's not good either way. It's

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Speaker 7: Man?

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Speaker 3: You know? Really?

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Speaker 7: Is it?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 3: You've got a family that's scary. That's I think that's

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Speaker 5: Who you are. Well, he's a good human being. He

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Speaker 5: He did retire, but he came back to scratch the

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Speaker 3: Well that's gonna be that. That's the problem, is what

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Speaker 5: Hang on, I got my fighter card right here. He'll

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Speaker 5: not sure how much you saw of John Jones and

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Speaker 3: and she's had former champs and whatever. I don't think

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Speaker 3: who's stopping her at this point. I mean, I really

437
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 3: thought Holly Holm had a chance in that fight, right,

438
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Speaker 3: and don't I don't know, I don't know. She's she's phenomenal. Jones.

439
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,680
Speaker 3: I mean that fight, you know, I saw it in pieces,

440
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 3: obviously because I was at the wedding, But I thought, look,

441
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 3: it's it's a weird thing. I mean, and I know

442
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 3: this is wrong and nobody, but to be the champ,

443
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,880
Speaker 3: you got to beat the champ. And I'm still gonna

444
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Speaker 3: hold that in my head, and I do think the

445
00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 3: other guy did great, but I can't see him because

446
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:02,880
Speaker 3: a lot of people, I think, you guys even said

447
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,199
Speaker 3: on the broadcast it was like, Nay could possibly be

448
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 3: too too going into the fifth and I think that

449
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 3: was a sentiment of a lot of people. But I

450
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Speaker 3: don't know. I'm not sure what I was looking at.

451
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Speaker 3: You know. One of the things that came to my

452
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Speaker 3: head is, you know, like John Jones had to know

453
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,439
Speaker 3: that guy was hurt. He never went after him, you know,

454
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Speaker 3: to put him away, which I thought was weird. I

455
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 3: guess he was coasting through a fight. I don't know

456
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Speaker 3: if I like, again, I watched this thing in pieces,

457
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Speaker 3: so I don't really see it. But one of the

458
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Speaker 3: first things is that it was almost like and there's

459
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Speaker 3: gonna be horrible, but the aggression, you know, the aggression

460
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Speaker 3: didn't look like it was there. I don't know if

461
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Speaker 3: that's a direct relationship with you know, being off you know,

462
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Speaker 3: some of the performance enhancing drugs. It seemed like he

463
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Speaker 3: was just coasting and he was chilling in that fight.

464
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 3: I do think he controlled, you know, the octagon, but

465
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Speaker 3: that was a closer fight than right on paper. I

466
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Speaker 3: think even the significant strikes. I think at the end

467
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Speaker 3: we're pretty we're pretty close. So I know Dana was

468
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 3: outspoken about the guy should never judge before, but I

469
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 3: don't think anybody's going to complain about that, you know.

470
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Speaker 3: But it didn't look like yeah, to me, it didn't

471
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Speaker 3: look like he deserved, you know, even if he outstruck

472
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Speaker 3: him or just there was something north in that fight.

473
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Speaker 7: It was.

474
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Speaker 3: I don't know, it wasn't your usual John Jones fight.

475
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Speaker 3: It looked like he just he lacked some some aggression

476
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Speaker 3: for some reason. And again the guy was hurt. You see,

477
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,439
Speaker 3: you guys, his knees are buckling throughout the fight, and

478
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 3: you're not attacking it. You're not. I don't know. And

479
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 3: again I sort of fight in pieces. I don't even

480
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Speaker 3: know if I'm correct, but that's what that's my memory

481
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Speaker 3: of the fight, you know. And I don't know if

482
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Speaker 3: it's like again, if you come off everything and now

483
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Speaker 3: you missed the mellow you know, yeah, definitely speaking very

484
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Speaker 3: you know, non controversial. You know, the other stuf is crazy, man.

485
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 3: You see these road rages and everybody's at a control. Man.

486
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Speaker 3: So I don't know that that's my thought without watching.

487
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Speaker 3: I definitely didn't watch the fight one, two, three, four,

488
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Speaker 3: five in a row. You know, I saw like rounds

489
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 3: one and they saw around five, and you know, so

490
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Speaker 3: I did have a one in the fifth round. I

491
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Speaker 3: thought it pretty easy to think at my head. So

492
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I something's up with that because Dana's

493
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 3: you know, trying to change his record with the Hamble thing,

494
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Speaker 3: and then he was pretty outspoken with that, and I

495
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Speaker 3: don't know what's going on, But I do think he

496
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Speaker 3: won the Hamble. You know, the Hamil fight should be

497
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Speaker 3: able to turn him. I definitely, you know, he was

498
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Speaker 3: in control of that fight. It was that was a

499
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Speaker 3: no brainer. But yeah, I don't know. It just looked

500
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Speaker 3: like a lack of aggression to me.

501
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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, you gave us a lot to digest, and

502
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Speaker 5: I'll certainly get Ken Flow's thoughts on it. On the backside,

503
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Speaker 5: I will say for your this thing that you keep

504
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 5: going back to, and I love you write this hole

505
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Speaker 5: to be the champ. You got to beat the champ.

506
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Speaker 5: And we can't spend too much more time on this, right.

507
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 5: I think if there was ever a decent time to

508
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Speaker 5: actually invoke that phrase, Ray, it might actually be hang on,

509
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Speaker 5: hear me out for it might actually be for this

510
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Speaker 5: fight because chaill Son and I think put it pretty well.

511
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Speaker 5: It's not to be the champ. You gotta beat the champ, right,

512
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 5: because to me, that is absolutely absurd. But if you

513
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Speaker 5: are a judge in a fight like this and you

514
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 5: look at that second round, you gotta have a lot

515
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Speaker 5: of courage as a judge. And Kenny, I don't know

516
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Speaker 5: if you agree with this, but Thiago Santos had won

517
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Speaker 5: the first round, so that second round was pretty close.

518
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Speaker 7: There was a slip.

519
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Speaker 5: This seemed to be the swing round for a lot

520
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Speaker 5: of people. You gotta have a lot of courage if

521
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Speaker 5: you're a judge, right to give that second round in

522
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Speaker 5: a five round fight to Thiago Santos. But when you're judging,

523
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Speaker 5: it shouldn't really be about courage, right. If you see

524
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Speaker 5: that as a ten nine round one way or the other,

525
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 5: you gotta score it that way. I think you can

526
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Speaker 5: argue that was a ten to ten, in which case

527
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Speaker 5: it would have probably been a draw on the scorecards

528
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Speaker 5: of a lot of people. But I still think ray

529
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Speaker 5: that you as a judge, you have to isolate that

530
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 5: bullshit from your mind. To beat the champ. You gotta

531
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Speaker 5: beat the champ because you're really just trying to score an.

532
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Speaker 3: Without of that. No, no, I agree with you. I

533
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 3: just did that was that wasn't just a tricky fight,

534
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Speaker 3: because I'm saying you could have given that fight to

535
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Speaker 3: Santos from what I saw, But I just I don't

536
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Speaker 3: know what that had been like a I don't know what.

537
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Speaker 7: I don't know.

538
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 3: I'm not I know it. Look, I know I'm not

539
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 3: even making sense. I'm just as it was a weird,

540
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 3: weird thing. And you're right as a judge that shouldn't matter.

541
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Speaker 3: What you see is what you score. And if you

542
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Speaker 3: saw you know, like you said, the ten ten would

543
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Speaker 3: have been appropriate. You don't see that a lot of times,

544
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 3: but that definitely would have been appropriate. And uh, you

545
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Speaker 3: could have given the round to Santos. So really really tricky, man,

546
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Speaker 3: I don't know that that fight was uh uh you

547
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Speaker 3: know again and again, I want to really preface this

548
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Speaker 3: because I didn't watch the entirety in the in that sequence,

549
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So I saw it, you know,

550
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 3: and I kept going back to look at it, so

551
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 3: I could be I could be off, but that that

552
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Speaker 3: was my original sentiment was he was doing good and

553
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 3: you know, he was on and look at it looked

554
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 3: like he was really banged up, So I think that's

555
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 3: the The other question is, what if he was healthy,

556
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 3: would he impressed it? For uh? And again, why John

557
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 3: didn't take advantage of that is a little little.

558
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Speaker 5: Odd to me. Yeah, well, I know, I think you

559
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 5: actually nailed a lot of points in that fight despite

560
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 5: watching his sort of with one eye at the wedding.

561
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Speaker 5: So we appreciate your insights. As always, I encourage all

562
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 5: of our listeners to go to Matt Sarah's Instagram page

563
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 5: and see if you enjoy that bread and butter. I mean, dude, right,

564
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 5: like all of a sudden, I Gray's inner monologue is like,

565
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 5: all right, I'm eating this roll with fucking butter. I

566
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 5: have some solitude over here, but everybody else is clapping,

567
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 5: So I'm gonna put down my butter knife. I'm gonna

568
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 5: fucking clap three times. But I'm not clapping hard enough

569
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 5: to add to the noise. I'm not enthusiastically getting into it.

570
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 5: If someone's rolling on me, it's gonna look like token applause.

571
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 5: And that's exactly what it was.

572
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Speaker 7: You're able to recover from this gluten hangover, man.

573
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Speaker 3: I think, John, you're making that video worsely. But whatever

574
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 3: was going on, whatever was going on, didn't merit a

575
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:12,959
Speaker 3: big clasp.

576
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Speaker 5: Yeah right, that's good.

577
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 3: I think it was. And it could have been the

578
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 3: bride's father given his given his speech, he was starting

579
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Speaker 3: to go off the rails, so I started reaching for

580
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Speaker 3: the rolls.

581
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Speaker 5: I love it, all right, Well, have a great rest

582
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 5: of the week. And I got to tell you and

583
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 5: Ken Flow that just being in Vegas, it was just

584
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 5: really heartwarming because everybody who's coming up to me is

585
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 5: talking to me about the podcast, many of whom have

586
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 5: listened since episode one from all different parts of the world.

587
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 5: So that was pretty cool for me to hear. Over

588
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 5: the weekend. I thought you'd be glad to hear it.

589
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Speaker 3: Oh man, that's that's that's great, awesome, that's great to hear.

590
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 5: I had to field a lot of Ian Parker complaints

591
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 5: this weekend.

592
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 3: Oh my lord, I just kidding.

593
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Speaker 5: No, all right, buddy, Hey, have a great week Thank you.

594
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 3: All right, beg it ease to me. I'll talk to

595
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 3: you about it, all right.

596
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 5: The Ray Longo Minute every week here on the Anak

597
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 5: and Florian Podcast, So John Jones, Thiago Santos it gave

598
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 5: us a lot to chew on the fight. Long Goost comments.

599
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 5: I do believe that if your thesis statement on John

600
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 5: Jones in this fight is that he lacked aggression, especially

601
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Speaker 5: from a grappling standpoint, which was largely non existent save

602
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 5: for an early takedown attempt, I would agree with you.

603
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 5: I would also agree on the Thiago Santos side, even

604
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 5: though he was compromised in the fight with the leg

605
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 5: that had he moved forward more than he really might

606
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 5: have won this fight. In terms of the scoring, Kenny,

607
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 5: I think that the third round was John Jones's biggest round,

608
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 5: and if you're giving Jones a ten to nine in

609
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 5: round three, a score of Jones at ten to nine

610
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 5: in round two just doesn't make sense. So I know

611
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 5: TJ had it a draw, you know, I think live

612
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 5: I kind of saw one, two and five for Thiago Santos,

613
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 5: if I'm being honest, But I was calling the fight,

614
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 5: so as I always say, throw out my scorecard, your

615
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 5: thoughts on Jones Santos and ultimately how you had it

616
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 5: over the weekend, you know.

617
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Speaker 7: I would have to watch it again.

618
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Speaker 6: I thought it was Jones comfortably winning three rounds to two.

619
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Speaker 6: I think those rounds were close. You know, I thought

620
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 6: it was a pretty comfortable fight in my opinion, but again,

621
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Speaker 6: I have to watch it again. It's one thing to

622
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 6: watch the fight and it's another thing to score the fight.

623
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Speaker 6: So I did think that Jones did enough. I thought

624
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Speaker 6: that Santos had a valiant effort. At one point, I

625
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 6: thought that he checked out. He was losing eye contact

626
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Speaker 6: with John Jones, but I think it was just him

627
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Speaker 6: being distracted by that knee injury, which ended up being.

628
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Speaker 7: I did until later on.

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Speaker 6: Then you saw that he wasn't moving while I was like, okay,

630
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Speaker 6: wait a second, He's hanging in here. Showed a lot

631
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Speaker 6: of toughness, was continuing to go for that knockout despite

632
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Speaker 6: really fighting on you know, one leg. But Joan was

633
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 6: kind of fighting on one leg as well. He has

634
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 6: really badly hurt his shin off of a kick from

635
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 6: Thiago Santos early in that fight. I think that had

636
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 6: something to do with the John of his perhaps hesitation

637
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 6: in moving forward and pursuing that finish. I would have

638
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 6: liked to see more of that from John Jones. I

639
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 6: would have liked to seen more defensive action besides just

640
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 6: utilizing those long arm frames of his I think we

641
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 6: saw John Jones that perhaps didn't look as sharp as

642
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 6: he has in the past, but I also think he

643
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 6: had a very healthy respect, as he should have for

644
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Speaker 6: the power of Thiago Santos. Now you look at all

645
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Speaker 6: of his opponents from the past, Thiago Santos was the

646
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 6: biggest knockout threat in my opinion, out of anybody that

647
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 6: John Jones's face, So that alone was a big threat.

648
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 6: And I would love to see these guys run it

649
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Speaker 6: back if both of these guys are healthy. I think

650
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Speaker 6: a rematch is absolutely deserved here.

651
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Speaker 5: I want to see it and we'll get to Yambohovic

652
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 5: and some other guys Dominic Reis and Johnny Walker, Alexander

653
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 5: Rockets and all of that. But I agree with everything

654
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 5: you said and Thiago Santos right like, I can't wait

655
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 5: to see that guy again. So I can congratulate this

656
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 5: performance in defeat because a lot of us who have

657
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 5: called Tiago Santos's fights, you know, we've watched his whole

658
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 5: UFC career. This was his nineteenth UFC appearance. He came

659
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 5: in the second most prolific knockout artist in UFC history,

660
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 5: like the second most accomplished knockout artist in the history

661
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 5: of the UFC. On paper, Anthony Rumble Johnson was one

662
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 5: time scheduled to fight John Jones and that fight didn't happen.

663
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Speaker 5: And the reason a lot of us were so excited

664
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Speaker 5: for that fight was because of that Rumble power. And

665
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 5: I do think Thiago's power earned Jones's respect early, and

666
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 5: you're right, I think that's why John had some hesitance

667
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 5: in terms of his overall aggression. But Santos cannot be

668
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 5: commended enough, and especially in a situation where he probably

669
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 5: approached that fifth round as if it was too too

670
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 5: He won the fifth round and had to I would

671
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 5: think on all three judges scorecards, you know, so huge

672
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Speaker 5: congratulations to Thiago Santos. You know, I understand that for

673
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 5: John Jones. Why maybe Kenny, to your point, he felt

674
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 5: like he was winning and so he didn't necessarily force

675
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Speaker 5: the issue. Some would criticize John for not having a

676
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 5: bigger fifth round because it was a close fight, but

677
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Speaker 5: I would like to see them run it back. It's

678
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 5: not gonna be immediate, and Dana White doesn't seem to

679
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 5: have an appetite for a rematch, so I don't think

680
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Speaker 5: that's what we're gonna get next. John seems more interested

681
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 5: in the Daniel Cormier trilogy than he was a few

682
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Speaker 5: weeks prior, and maybe that has something to do with

683
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Speaker 5: the fact that he wasn't able to get finishes against

684
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Speaker 5: Anthony Smith and Thiago Santos here in back to back fights.

685
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Speaker 5: But what do you think for John? I mean, do

686
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Speaker 5: you think do you think it's gonna be somebody like

687
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Speaker 5: Jan Blahovich, who on paper has won five of six

688
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 5: and would allow John to turn around here in a

689
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 5: couple months, or do you think that he'll take six weeks,

690
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 5: watch DC and Cormier and potentially either move up or

691
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Speaker 5: or welcome Daniel back to two.

692
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Speaker 6: Yeah, listen, I think that for John Jones, I think

693
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 6: there's two things. Either stay active and continue on this

694
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 6: wind streak that he's been on and just kind of

695
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 6: solidify himself as as the greatest of all time, certainly

696
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 6: and at two hundred and five pounds. So again, I

697
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 6: would love to see the rematch with him and Thiago Santos.

698
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Speaker 6: Given the potential for a knee injury in Thiago Santos,

699
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Speaker 6: that's probably not going to happen, and it would probably

700
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Speaker 6: something it would probably be something like a Yon Belohovich

701
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Speaker 6: fight in December, and then after that a fight against

702
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Speaker 6: Daniel Cormier. I don't think DC would want to fight

703
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 6: him at two h five, though, I think DC would

704
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Speaker 6: probably want to fight him at heavyweight.

705
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Speaker 7: It seems like John Jones is warming.

706
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Speaker 6: Up to that potential fight at heavyweight, and that's his

707
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 6: biggest fight, right Financially, that's the one that would bring

708
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Speaker 6: in the most amount of money for both of those gentlemen.

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Speaker 5: It's just interesting because Jones is like, he's huge, He's

710
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 5: massive obviously in that eighty four and a half inch reach,

711
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 5: is obviously moving up to heavyweight. I mean, that was

712
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Speaker 5: one of my bigger takeaways from sitting down with Santos

713
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Speaker 5: on Thursday, was like, he's just a much smaller man.

714
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Speaker 5: Didn't necessarily look that much smaller on fight nights.

715
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Speaker 7: But small. It's just John Jones in the well right exactly.

716
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Speaker 5: And so when you sort of see them back to back,

717
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 5: it's like, man, Santos really is the smaller guy, absolutely,

718
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 5: but John has so mastered this cut Kenny down to

719
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 5: two hundred and five pounds. He lost seven and a

720
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 5: half pounds playing basketball on Friday, so to all of

721
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Speaker 5: a sudden in December fight DC at heavyweight. You know,

722
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Speaker 5: he's not going to do something competitively that puts him

723
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Speaker 5: at a massive disadvantage. So we shall see how John

724
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Speaker 5: Jones chooses to proceed. He would figure to call a

725
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 5: lot of the cards. But if DC wins, then maybe

726
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 5: they do do it at heavyweight, and maybe they do

727
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 5: it sooner than maybe I would expect. Before we get

728
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 5: to Amanda new Nets, I just have to close the

729
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 5: book on Mosfietal in terms of the title, right because

730
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 5: he's never been a guy who's obsessed over the belt.

731
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 5: Now he is. Colby Covington is one of one of

732
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 5: his best friends in the world. He's got the Robbie

733
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 5: Lawler fight. So if Covington beats Lawler, he has as

734
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 5: strong a case as anyone. But to get this highlight

735
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 5: the way Jorgem Mosfidal got it, I have to think

736
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Speaker 5: that he's going to be next for Kamaro, probably at

737
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Speaker 5: Madison Square Garden November two.

738
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Speaker 7: Without a doubt.

739
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 6: And again, you know, we talk about rankings, we talk

740
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 6: about all these things and who you've beaten, But in

741
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 6: this sport, when you're talking about entertainment, especially in this

742
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 6: day and age. Style points matter, Yes, style points matter.

743
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 6: That double knee is something that people will remember for

744
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 6: a very long time. Oh and by the way, it

745
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 6: took out a previously undefeated fighter, a matchup against Mozividal,

746
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 6: who many believed it was a terrible matchup myself included.

747
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 6: That's the worst kind of matchup for any high level

748
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 6: striker is going against a smothering wrestler like ben Askron

749
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 6: mos Vidal getting it done in that film, getting the fastest.

750
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Speaker 7: Knockout of all time.

751
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 6: I think he deserves it, I really do, especially given

752
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 6: everything that he's accomplished, all the fights, all the experience

753
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 6: that he has. You see those numbers up on the

754
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 6: screen with his record and everything he's accomplished.

755
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 7: I think he deserves it.

756
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 5: I do too. I think he is richly deserving. I

757
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 5: would love to see him get that chance. And he

758
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 5: arguably did it on the biggest card of the year, right,

759
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 5: and that matters too. I'm gonna take you back to

760
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 5: November fifteenth, two thousand and eight, UFC ninety one in

761
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 5: Las Vegas, Nevada co Tour versus lesnar Comine event Kenny

762
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 5: Florian versus Joe Stevenson and Ken Flow just smashes Joe

763
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 5: in the comane event with more eyeballs on him than ever,

764
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 5: and that set up the bj pen fight, right, I

765
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 5: think Mosfidal is Gettingkamara Usman. What a great night that

766
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 5: was postfight can Flow's post fight party at tao as

767
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 5: the first time I had been to tow. You know,

768
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 5: I'm thirty years old, right, but walk into town, I'm like,

769
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 5: oh my god, this is the greatest night.

770
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Speaker 7: It was crazy.

771
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 6: There's like there's like unicorns walking around to the crowd.

772
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 6: There was bubbles, there was fire. I mean it was

773
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 6: a crazy scene.

774
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 5: Naked Asian women, yeah, pretty much naked.

775
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 7: That's your typical Kenny Florian postfight.

776
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Speaker 5: I love it, absolutely love all. Right, a couple more

777
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 5: things before we get to the main event challenge. Unfortunately,

778
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 5: we're gonna kind of have to short change this card

779
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 5: a little bit, but I will mention every name I can.

780
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 5: Amana Nonaz might be the best pound for pound fighter

781
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,959
Speaker 5: in the world, man or woman. I mean, certainly there's

782
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 5: no one else who would get the distinction as the

783
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 5: best women's fighter of all time. I mean, Jessica Andrage

784
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 5: has as many UFC wins as Nunez, but no one

785
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 5: is gonna inject her into that conversation. I have so

786
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 5: many different things I could say about Amanda Nunez. I

787
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 5: think there's been a lot of mental and physical maturity.

788
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 5: But she was in the shape of her life going

789
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 5: in there Saturday and night. She was ready to go

790
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 5: five rounds. But she's just too fucking good for everybody else.

791
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 5: And as you tweeted over the weekend, there really are

792
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 5: levels to this game, and it's scary to think that

793
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 5: there could be this type of level change from her

794
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 5: down to Holly Holm.

795
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Speaker 6: I mean, who's gonna beat her. Who's gonna beat her

796
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 6: at one forty five? Who's gonna beat her at one

797
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 6: thirty five? Good fucking luck. I mean it's just she

798
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 6: she throws too hard, John, she knows how to set

799
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 6: up those strikes. She's a smart fighter, she can wrestle,

800
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 6: she can beat you up on the ground. I mean,

801
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 6: who's out there as well rounded as good as Here's

802
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 6: the crazy thing. The answer to that question is it's

803
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 6: the champion from two way classes down, Valentina Chevchenko. I

804
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 6: think she's the toughest matchup for Nuda's and Nuna's is

805
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 6: just way too big for her. Man I just you know,

806
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 6: I think that for that well, I should say one

807
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 6: way class down. But if she's fighting at one thirty five,

808
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 6: But you know, I don't think there's many women who

809
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 6: can really challenge man. The NWD is Holly Holm. Look

810
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 6: what she's accomplished in boxing. Look at the kind of

811
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 6: striking Who who knocks out Holly Home? No One's ever

812
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 6: done it like that, But I saw it coming, just

813
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 6: because I think Holly is way too tense in the octagon.

814
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Speaker 6: It seems like she's I don't want to say that

815
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 6: she is, not that she doesn't want to be there,

816
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 6: but you see this nervous energy running through her in

817
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 6: every single fight. You never see her just quite comfortable

818
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 6: in the octagon. Amanda Una seemed relaxed, she was ready

819
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Speaker 6: to rock, and that's exactly what she did. Man, that

820
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Speaker 6: kick was brutal. I don't know how she didn't knock

821
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Speaker 6: out Holly Home cold. By By the way, Holly is

822
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 6: tough as nails.

823
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 5: You see Amanda Nuns in that inspection zone, right, I mean,

824
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 5: it's just smiling. It's like like like she's literally there

825
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 5: to watch herself fight, you know, un fucking real. The juxtaposition,

826
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Speaker 5: and I'm glad you pointed it out, between the tension

827
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 5: of Holly Holme and just the looseness of Amanda Nunez.

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Speaker 5: I do think a Cyborg rematch would be different because

829
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 5: Jason Perillo will make sure that I that you know,

830
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 5: Chris is a little bit more disciplined. But I do

831
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Speaker 5: agree with you. A rematch with Valentina Chevchenko at thirty five,

832
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 5: which would give Valentina an opportunity potentially to become a

833
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 5: simultaneous two division champion, to me, is the fight that

834
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 5: makes the most sense. Cyborg does have a fight coming

835
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 5: up against Spencer three weeks from now, so we'll see

836
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 5: how it all plays out. But congratulations to Amanda Nunez,

837
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 5: who is just a wonderful human being moved to the

838
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 5: US to realize this dream in twenty eleven, was trying

839
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 5: to become a UFC champion, and she has done that

840
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 5: several times over and made herself a very wealthy woman.

841
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 5: And for her and Nina, they're just going to have

842
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 5: a wonderful life and they are richly deserving of that fate.

843
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 5: All Right, We're gonna have more on UFC two thirty

844
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 5: nine here, but I want to bring Ian Parker into

845
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 5: the conversation because we've already pushed him back extensively today

846
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 5: and it is his birthday, so I feel like we

847
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 5: should be nice about that. Let us get to the

848
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 5: main event challenge.

849
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 2: It's the main event challenge.

850
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 5: The time is most definitively.

851
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 7: I finished, fine, how do you everything?

852
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: But we'll do win the main event challenge to John

853
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 2: Nick and Kenny Florian podcast.

854
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 5: All right, it's been a little bit crazy with some

855
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 5: of the technical issues today, but hopefully you haven't noticed them.

856
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 5: On the other side, we're going to bring Ian Parker

857
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 5: into the UFC two thirty nine recap here and then

858
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 5: we will get to our selections for the Sacramento show

859
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 5: this weekend. Happy birthday, Ian Parker, Thank.

860
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 4: You, sir John Anick. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 5: Happy birthday to jew I just made that up right now,

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00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 5: right now, Happy.

863
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 3: Birthday to j Ah so good.

864
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 5: Everybody's still banging on the Jews. See I'm Jewish, right,

865
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 5: I'm full fledged Ashkonazi jew I was bar mitzvah, so

866
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 5: I can say everybody's still banging on the Jews.

867
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 7: Man.

868
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 4: You know, they really do. They just they just like

869
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 4: to throw throw shade at us. I don't get it

870
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 4: and help make you guys money. We keep to ourselves,

871
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 4: you know, we don't.

872
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 3: We don't.

873
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 4: We don't give three pieces in soda. We charge for

874
00:42:58,440 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 4: that because we're smarter than that.

875
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 5: You come on, right, I mean, my wife's anti Let

876
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 5: us bet, you know, let us bet my wife is

877
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 5: an anti semi. It's like you married a Jew, honey,

878
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 5: like you and you and your brother, right, they're Polish Catholics.

879
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 5: She and her brother they're both Polish Catholic. You know,

880
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 5: it's like you both married Jews. I don't know what

881
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 5: to tell you all right before I get in too

882
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 5: much trouble, So well, happy birthday to you. We appreciate

883
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 5: you joining us on your birthday. We're going to get

884
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 5: to the main event, challenge and the standings, and you're

885
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 5: probably not going to like that part of the discussion.

886
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 5: But I want to bring you into our two thirty

887
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 5: nine recap and I want to give you a little

888
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 5: bit of time on Ben Askrim. But we then have

889
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 5: to get to some other performances. But and you, obviously

890
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 5: we've said most of what needs to be said, certainly

891
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 5: about Jorge mosfeed all. But since you've watched so much

892
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 5: Mma I'm just curious how you think this impacts the

893
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 5: the Ben Askron legacy, because for a lot of people

894
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 5: who sort of denigrated his body of work, this gives

895
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 5: them the ultimate ammunition. You know, Yeah, you know what,

896
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 5: I don't.

897
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 4: It's hard for a guy who hasn't really built his

898
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 4: legacy through the mainstream of the UFC, you know. So

899
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 4: it's kind of hard because people are kind of looking

900
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 4: at this like he didn't beat Robbie Lawler and he

901
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 4: had this coming, and I kind of you know, this

902
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 4: is what's harsh about some of the fans in the sport.

903
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 4: These may be the harshest fans literally in the sport.

904
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 4: You know, Ben said one thing after the Robbie faith right,

905
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 4: I'm not the referee, it's not my faull. And there's

906
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 4: been plenty of controversial call throughout the entire history of

907
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 4: the sport. I mean, Kenny's been inside. He could tell you.

908
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 4: I'm sure there's been times where he disagreed, agreed, whatever

909
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,919
Speaker 4: it is. And with this one, listen, it was really

910
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 4: what a two second knockout because the referee took an

911
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 4: extra second to stop, you know, or hey, it's it's hard.

912
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 4: Do I think Ben's legacy is. I don't think we

913
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 4: really know what Ben's legacy is. I think what Ben

914
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 4: has really done I think for the UFC in general,

915
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 4: is they got value out of that trade for someone

916
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 4: of Demitrius Johnson that they weren't really promoting, and the

917
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,280
Speaker 4: division itself. They got someone to come here and infuse

918
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 4: some real fresh blood and marketing into the one seventy

919
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 4: tun division. And I think that's what this did was

920
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 4: it gave someone like Jorge Masminohal, who's been around and

921
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 4: has been successful, to now really get catapulting into stardom.

922
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 4: And maybe Ben's not whoeveryone thought he was, but guess

923
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 4: what he made the world believe it. And Jorge just

924
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 4: finished him in five seconds. So if I'm the UFC,

925
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 4: I'm jumping all over this guy as a superstar. He

926
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 4: can talk and talk flashy, he doesn't need to do.

927
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 4: He's a real fucking fighter on him versus ousman. You

928
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 4: can take my money. I'll watch that right now.

929
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 5: It is a great point, and you think about the

930
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 5: value they've gotten out of Ben Askron in these two

931
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 5: fights is absolutely incredible. Ken Flojan Behovich has now won

932
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 5: four of five the wins Jared Cannoneer, Jimmy Manua, Nikita

933
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 5: krilob then had the main event lost to Thiago Santos.

934
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 5: So now he spoils the light heavyweight debut in the

935
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 5: UFC of Luke Rockold. I don't think he's going to

936
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 5: be next for the title, you know. I think they

937
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 5: would probably go in Dominic Rayis direction, even though I'm

938
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 5: not sure he's as ready as maybe Blahovich would be

939
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 5: thirty two fights into this thing at this point. But

940
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 5: big win for Behovich, even though obviously rock Hold in

941
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 5: defeat is more the storyline. I think here on a

942
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 5: Monday morning.

943
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 7: Listen Bohovich, what a win for him.

944
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 6: Listen if Thiago Santos If they don't want to go

945
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 6: in that direction for a rematch, which I think is warranted.

946
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 6: I think Bohovich is the dude. I think he's the

947
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 6: guy who should get that next shot. There's no doubt

948
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 6: about it. I would have what's that rock Hold would

949
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 6: have gotten it exactly because of his name and all

950
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 6: that stuff, right, But you know, and Dominic rays I

951
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 6: think he's a great fighter.

952
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 7: He really has so much potential. I think that's way

953
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 7: too early.

954
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 6: I think that's the kind of fight that really could

955
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 6: set him back a little bit.

956
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 7: I think you should wait on that.

957
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 6: If you want to fight for the belt, put yourself

958
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 6: in a position to win, don't just put yourself in

959
00:46:55,560 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 6: a position to get a high profile fight. But that's myinion.

960
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 6: And as far as Luke rock Hold really, I mean, man,

961
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 6: we keep saying it. He should stop. There's no reason

962
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 6: for him to keep going. We talked about it on

963
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 6: the podcast. He has not changed his colors as a

964
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 6: fighter still, and I didn't see it happening at this point.

965
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 7: It's not going to happen the next fight. It's not

966
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 7: gonna happen.

967
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 6: After he continues to lower that lead left hand, he

968
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 6: continues to have that chin very high. The same defensive

969
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 6: mistakes are being repeated time and time again. And let's

970
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 6: take the sport out of it. This is your brain

971
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 6: getting knocked around here. And I like Luke rock Hold,

972
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,959
Speaker 6: and I don't want to see any fighter out there

973
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 6: get hurt like that. And I think rock Hold has

974
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 6: a lot of other options. He's done amazing things in

975
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 6: this sport. At one point he was seeing as perhaps

976
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 6: you know a guy who was going to have the

977
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 6: one hundred and eighty five pound belt for a very

978
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,240
Speaker 6: long time. You look at how dominant he was against

979
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 6: a guy like a Chris Widman, who a lot of

980
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 6: people thought was the next dude. Right if this board

981
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 6: is nuts when you think about that whole history. But

982
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 6: it's time. It's time for him to stop and just

983
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 6: do something else, because again, two h five was not

984
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 6: the thing that was gonna switch things around for.

985
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 7: Him, right.

986
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 5: And the thing too is he's such a great grappler,

987
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,720
Speaker 5: he's such a good mix scrapper, but at two hundred

988
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 5: and five pounds, that's gonna be a different navigation. Not

989
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 5: that he's ever been some takedown artists per se, but

990
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 5: those are different situations. But dude, the top game right

991
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 5: like skill for skill, we thought Luke rock Hole, we

992
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 5: had a chance to go down as one of the

993
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 5: greatest middleweights of all time in the nature of time.

994
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 5: Ian Parker, I want to get your thoughts on Michael

995
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 5: Kiessa defeats Diego Sanchez unanimous decision, thirty to twenty six

996
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 5: times three. To me, this is a classic thirty to

997
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 5: twenty four. Under the new scoring system, three clear, ten

998
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 5: eight rounds, you don't even have to largely dominate the

999
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 5: round to get a ten to nine under the new rules,

1000
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 5: So this was ten eight times three for me. But

1001
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 5: the scorecards aren't the story. Your thoughts on Michael Kiessa

1002
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,720
Speaker 5: and how successful he can be now that he's gonna

1003
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 5: take on somebody in the top fifteen of the one

1004
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,280
Speaker 5: hundred and seventy pounds, Well.

1005
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 4: First off, if I can just take fifteen seconds to

1006
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 4: talk about what you guys spoke about with Luke and

1007
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 4: with who's next for that division. Kenny, you kind of

1008
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 4: gave hit it right on the head with Luke. There's

1009
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 4: no more, there's no need. That was that was hard

1010
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 4: to watch. That was really hard to watch. And he

1011
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 4: looked he looked good at the size, you know, just

1012
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 4: like you said, the evolution of his game isn't there,

1013
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 4: And I kind of hope it's not Dominic Rays and

1014
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 4: I hope actually they had him fight Yon Vlanovic. I

1015
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 4: let them to fight. Give John Jones more time until December.

1016
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 4: I don't think we need a clear cut guy, especially

1017
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 4: if they're not going to give Santos a rematch. Just

1018
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 4: my two cents on that in regards to to say, uh,

1019
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 4: you know what, this was a just an awesome an

1020
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 4: awesome matchup for him. It just I can't believe how

1021
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 4: big he looked, Like, how did this guy ever make

1022
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 4: fifty five? He just looked huge. It was almost like

1023
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 4: Diego should fight at fifty five and he should have

1024
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 4: more than one corner. Guy that looks like I'm gonna

1025
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 4: steal this from Kenny. It looks like he works at

1026
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 4: Pizza Hut. Whatever that comment was he who and I

1027
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 4: have talked about. That was bonkers to me. But Mike

1028
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 4: just looked big. He looked it looked like he was

1029
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 4: just like rolling. It didn't even look like he was trying.

1030
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 4: And I think what this was for him, which is, yeah,

1031
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 4: a confidence booster. Everything was so fluid and listen, Diego

1032
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 4: is a tough guy, and he couldn't finish Diego. I

1033
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 4: don't know if he was really trying to be risky,

1034
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 4: but I felt like every time he went for that

1035
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 4: arm bar and he was slipping off of him, he

1036
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 4: didn't really care because he just regained position right back

1037
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 4: in the half guard and not whatever he wanted to do.

1038
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 4: I'm happy for this guy. I think he's been around

1039
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 4: for a while. He's really fought hard, and now we

1040
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 4: really know how hard it was for him to get

1041
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 4: fifty five. I think he's got a bright future at seventy.

1042
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 4: I'd like to really still see his stand up get

1043
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 4: way way more evolved, because he's got some killers in

1044
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 4: that division who could really strike, and he's not gonna

1045
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 4: be able to get guys from the ground as easy

1046
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 4: as he did Diego. But kudos to him, man, he

1047
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 4: did what he needed to do, absolutely dominant, and I'm

1048
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 4: happy for that guy. He's a good guy and here

1049
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 4: in that when on the other hand, I don't know

1050
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 4: what you know crazy.

1051
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 8: I know I'm not supposed to talk all the time.

1052
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 7: I'm the producer.

1053
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 8: I get a hot mic, but you know I'm gonna

1054
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 8: use it every once in a while. Did he just

1055
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 8: say Yan Blanovich?

1056
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 5: But dude, I've laugh because I've never heard Kis's name.

1057
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 5: Butchered that badly? Casa?

1058
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 4: Did I say that? Sorry? Sorry, my bad.

1059
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 8: The only thing that Ian Parker is worse at than

1060
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 8: the main event challenge is the pronunciation of the week.

1061
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 4: I'm not I brought I'm not brought in to make pronunciations.

1062
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 4: I'm here to help people win money, which is what

1063
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 4: I do. That's what you do. Leave me alone, you

1064
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 4: and you misproduced.

1065
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:46,439
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.

1066
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 4: It's my birthday, bro, you know what, John, From now on,

1067
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 4: I want to be on mute while t J and

1068
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 4: mispronunciates everything. And I'm just gonna come in hot real hog.

1069
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 5: And and and now you called him teach, to which

1070
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 5: you're not on I think all right, because there's like

1071
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 5: three people in the world who can call him teach,

1072
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 5: and I'm very thankful to be on that list. So

1073
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 5: all right, good stuff on UFC two thirty nine, Kenny.

1074
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 5: I just have to get a couple thoughts from you

1075
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 5: on Diego Sanchez in defeat here, and then I promise

1076
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 5: you we will move on. So Kisa would disagree with

1077
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,879
Speaker 5: some of what Ian said. He was absolutely exhausted after

1078
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 5: this fight. He said with Joe Rogan, I was really

1079
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 5: trying to put that guy away. I give Diego Sanchez,

1080
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 5: with my amateur eyes, a lot of credit for being

1081
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,760
Speaker 5: on forty some odd fights into this and he's never

1082
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 5: been submitted. Right in thirty UFC fights with a lot

1083
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 5: of grappling, he's never been submitted. But I heard you

1084
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 5: use the adjective weird to describe some of this fights,

1085
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 5: So I just was curious what you thought about these

1086
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 5: fifteen minutes on both sides.

1087
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 6: Really, yeah, absolutely, and listen, I appreciated and agree with

1088
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 6: Joe Rogan's assessment here. He's like, listen, what's the cornerman

1089
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 6: doing in here? And it was not a good sign.

1090
00:52:59,480 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 7: John.

1091
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,760
Speaker 6: I saw the interview, you know, I had picked Diego.

1092
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 6: Then I saw the interview. Then I heard that he

1093
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 6: was gonna have one cornerman in there, and I was like,

1094
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 6: oh my god.

1095
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 7: What did I do? What did I do? It not

1096
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 7: a good sign.

1097
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 6: This guy literally has zero mixed martial arts experience, So

1098
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 6: you're gonna have him as your sole cornerman. You're gonna

1099
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 6: have one dude in your corner and that's gonna be

1100
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 6: the guy. Come on, Diego, You're better than that. And

1101
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 6: I think that Diego just didn't look like he was

1102
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 6: in shape. He was tough as always, and you can

1103
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 6: only respect a warrior like a Diego Sanchez, but man,

1104
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,919
Speaker 6: put yourself in a position to win. And to your point, Ian, yes,

1105
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 6: Michael Kiesa looked gigantic in that fight compared to Diego.

1106
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 6: He was bulling him around the cage. He was dominant

1107
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 6: in that performance, and it was a tough one to watch.

1108
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 6: It really was, and again we keep saying it about

1109
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 6: a lot of these fighters. We don't want to see

1110
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 6: them fight again. But man, I hope Diego has some

1111
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 6: other options. Man, I really do.

1112
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 5: All right, I'm going to shout out the other winners

1113
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 5: and then we will move on. Congrats to Cheeto. Vera

1114
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,240
Speaker 5: had to dig deep against a very game newcomer Noel

1115
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 5: and Hernandez. Claud Jagadeli I think will be better in

1116
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 5: her second fight under Mark Henry thirty to twenty seven

1117
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 5: times three, and anyone who listens this show knows I

1118
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 5: got a soft spot for Random Marcos, but this was

1119
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 5: her opportunity against top five competition, and I just was

1120
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,439
Speaker 5: surprised she didn't do more with it. I just thought

1121
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 5: there were bouts of inactivity, lack of adjustments, no takedown attempts.

1122
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 5: So we'll see where they go with Random Marcos. Sonya

1123
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 5: Dong is an absolute beast at his age. Very excited

1124
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 5: to see him moving forward. Edmund Edmund Schabazian in this

1125
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 5: middleweight division. You know Edmund Tarverdian thinks he's got a

1126
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 5: future champion, and maybe not yet, but you know, twenty

1127
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 5: one years old, he's already got eleven years of martial

1128
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 5: arts experience and excited to see where he can go.

1129
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 5: Chance Ren Counter congratulations on a big wins plus three

1130
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 5: seventy five underdog against the very highly thought of Ismael

1131
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 5: Nawerdev and Julia Avila a winner in her UFC debut

1132
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 5: against Panny Keyanzad. Hopefully we didn't short change UFC two

1133
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 5: thirty nine, but we got to move on. Ken Flow's

1134
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 5: got to go. So the lead was eighty three to

1135
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 5: seventy nine for Team Annik going into the pay per

1136
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 5: view and Ken Flow defeats Ian Parker again. Seven to

1137
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 5: six was the margin. We continued to lose ground Parker

1138
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 5: has yet to win a week since being brought on

1139
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,919
Speaker 5: in a more full time capacity. It is now eighty

1140
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 5: nine eighty six going into UFC Sacramento first fight for

1141
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 5: US today at featherweight Ryan Hall minus one twenty five

1142
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 5: Darren Elkins minus one oh five. Haul the slight favorite here.

1143
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 5: So Ken Flow, as some of you know, is going

1144
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 5: to be in in Jared Hall's corner. Ryan Jared Hall.

1145
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 5: I got a friend, Jared Hall.

1146
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 4: Jared Hall.

1147
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 5: Unbelievable, better than Cassea, but not great, not great, So

1148
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 5: I'm underslept. I put them all night or Saturday night.

1149
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 5: So Kenny is going to be in Ryan Hall's corner,

1150
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 5: so he's not gonna be able to give us too

1151
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 5: much on this fight. Obviously home game for the Sacramento

1152
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,919
Speaker 5: based Darren Elkins, Ian, what do you think about this fight?

1153
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I think Ryan Hall should consider

1154
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:05,919
Speaker 4: different a different corner for this fight.

1155
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 8: Uh.

1156
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 4: I think you know, let the jokes out of the

1157
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 4: bed man. Oh oh, you gave it to me. Now,

1158
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 4: all jokes to the side, listen. I think this is

1159
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 4: great matchmaking by the UFC to showcase more of Ryan

1160
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 4: Hall here. I think Darren Elkins is the journey guy

1161
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 4: who's fought everyone. I just don't see Ryan Hall again

1162
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 4: not getting a submission here. Darren's good. I just Ryan's

1163
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 4: too good. I'm hoping Ryan's striking is further along than

1164
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 4: what we've seen. We haven't really had a chance to

1165
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 4: see much, and I guess that's not a bad thing.

1166
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 4: But I got Ryan Hall here, not because of how

1167
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 4: much I value Tunny Flooran on the show, but in person.

1168
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 4: But h No, I think Ryan Hall gets it done.

1169
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 5: And I can all but guarantee you that Ian Parker

1170
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 5: is going to have a bet on Ryan Hall this weekend,

1171
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 5: but no way he would have the stones to come

1172
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 5: on these airwaves today and give you Darren Elkins play.

1173
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 5: So Kenny Hall still is perfect in the UFC. Hopefully

1174
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 5: he can try to get some momentum and be active here.

1175
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 5: His victims Artem lab Of of Gray Maynard, most recently

1176
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 5: Bjpen that was his first UFC finish. He's perfect since

1177
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 5: the pro debut that was April of twenty sixteen, seven

1178
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 5: straight wins. Elkins the more UFC tested party, coming up

1179
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 5: on his ten year anniversary on the roster, twenty first

1180
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 5: UFC appearance here, but he has lost two in a row.

1181
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 5: We know you're picking your guy, and I know you

1182
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 5: can't give us too much on the fight, So whatever

1183
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 5: you want to give us will certainly take.

1184
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll give you what I can. First of all,

1185
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,439
Speaker 6: you know, I think that we will see a much

1186
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 6: sharper Ryan Hall in all aspects, and I hope that

1187
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 6: people get a chance to see what he's able to

1188
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 6: do on the feed as well. I think he'll have

1189
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 6: some very interesting techniques and approaches to this fight. I

1190
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 6: will say that Darren Elkins is a guy that we've

1191
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 6: trained and prepared very hard for you know. Again, in

1192
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 6: my opinion, Elkins had one of the most epic comebacks

1193
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 6: in the UFC history when he came back to beat

1194
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 6: Meersad Bectick. You have to respect a guy like that,

1195
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 6: and you have to come in extremely well prepared for

1196
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 6: a guy like that, and you've got to be prepared

1197
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 6: to put him away. I think that would be a

1198
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 6: big statement, especially someone who is not going to go

1199
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 6: away easily. Darren Elkins isn't leaving that octagon easily. So

1200
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 6: I'm excited for that fight, and I think this would

1201
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 6: be a great showcase for Ryan Hall to do well

1202
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 6: against a guy who's in that top fifteen and hopefully

1203
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 6: get some more difficult matches in the future. But I

1204
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 6: think we're going to see some really good stuff out

1205
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 6: of Ryan in this fight.

1206
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 5: I can't wait for that can flow Coner Cam. I'm

1207
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 5: gonna be sitting home. Just give give me that can

1208
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 5: flow Coner Camp, just for sixty seconds. Zach can to

1209
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 5: make it happen. All right, another fight guys at featherweight.

1210
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 5: You can be quick on this if you want to.

1211
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 5: It's also a close one. According to Vegas Shaiman, Marie's

1212
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 5: modest one thirty five Andre Peeley plus one oh five

1213
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 5: in Mark or who do you have here?

1214
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 3: Uh?

1215
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 4: This this one's tough. Uh, this one's really tough. It's

1216
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 4: not often. It's not often that a guy comes off

1217
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 4: the loss and the guy comes off the best one

1218
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 4: of his career and the winner is the underdog and

1219
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 4: the loser is the favorite. I think the reason here

1220
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 4: is Shima Marias just possesses way more power, and I

1221
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 4: think his stand up is more consistent and getting better,

1222
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 4: and it kind of plays into feel he's aggressive nature.

1223
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 4: I've been impressed with Phelly recently. I'm just having a

1224
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 4: hard time with when he does get hit, he goes

1225
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 4: down pretty often. So to make this a quick pick,

1226
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go Shaman Maris. I'm not overly comfortable with

1227
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 4: the pick again, because Mauris showed a lot of grit

1228
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 4: in that fight against Yosef. I swear to god, I'm

1229
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 4: so scared to pronounce guy's names wrongs right now, but uh,

1230
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 4: pretty much, yeah, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go Mari's

1231
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 4: in this one.

1232
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 5: TJ. Desanti is pretty intimidating and Ken Flow so is Shaman.

1233
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 5: But I saw the wildly talented Sadik Yusafandez two fight

1234
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 5: winning streak, but I think Maris is a a great fighter.

1235
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 5: Tough schedule continues to develop, of course. Pheeley has momentum

1236
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 5: three wins in his last four, pretty dominant against Miles

1237
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 5: Jury earlier this year. But I Sir Pheley for you kid.

1238
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 6: I totally get the nervousness on on Ian Parker's part

1239
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 6: because this is a very tricky fight to pick. I

1240
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 6: agree with everything Ian said, but Ice is definitely the

1241
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 6: more dangerous striker. I do think that Andre Pheeley is

1242
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 6: the more experienced and smarter fighter, however, and I think

1243
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 6: Andre Pheely will get it done.

1244
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 7: I'm not sure exactly how.

1245
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 6: I'd assume maybe he's able to chip his way to

1246
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 6: a decision here, but not gonna be easy. I could

1247
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 6: see it going the other way, but I'm gonna go

1248
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 6: with Pheey here in this one, all right?

1249
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 5: Andre Pheley plus one oh five for Ken Flow third

1250
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 5: featherweight prediction for US today. This one is also on

1251
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 5: the ESPN Plus main Card Saturday Night Mersad Bectic minus

1252
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 5: one sixty five Josh Emmett plus one thirty five. Ian,

1253
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:04,919
Speaker 5: Who do you like, Ian, you're there, my man.

1254
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry, I'm here. I'm here. I was literally just

1255
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 4: reading a little bit and this is this is tough

1256
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 4: another tough fight, man, huh coof all right, So I'm hmm.

1257
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 4: I've been going back and forth on this one so much,

1258
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 4: just it's so hard and for me, really the harder

1259
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 4: reads on Josh Emmett more than anything. I think Bechnick

1260
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 4: was someone that was a high prospect and I just

1261
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know. I think Emma's just fought

1262
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 4: better competition. I think his fight obviously when he got

1263
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 4: knocked out, was a rude awakening for him in his style.

1264
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 4: I think then with Michael Johnson, he was extremely hesitant,

1265
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 4: was getting beat got that got that punch off. I'm

1266
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 4: gonna take Emmett as the underdogs here in the hometown.

1267
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 4: I know Kenny just took an underdog, So I'm gonna

1268
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 4: take one here, I think. Uh man, I'm not again,

1269
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 4: not overly confident, but I'm gonna go Emmitt here.

1270
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 5: Yeah. Man, If I was strictly betting Ian Parker's plays

1271
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 5: your hesitance and the sound of your voice, I don't

1272
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 5: know if you're cramming on the other end, but I

1273
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 5: would not feel confident that Josh Emmett picked just no.

1274
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 4: Oh no, you're you're you're right man. This is for

1275
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 4: me on an betting standpoint, I can't either one of

1276
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 4: these last two fights. I can't as if Ja on

1277
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 4: Monday morning, you know, I get it and say, yeah,

1278
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 4: it's tough. No.

1279
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 5: And that's one of the harder things is that we

1280
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 5: don't give Ken Flow and havn't for four years, given

1281
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 5: him fight week to marinate. He has to make his

1282
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 5: picks like crack at dawn Monday morning. Ken Flow Mersad

1283
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 5: BECDIC thirteen and one overall split decision went over. Akardo

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Speaker 5: Lamas last June had to pull up a pull out

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Speaker 5: of what would have been a showcase fight against Nato

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Speaker 5: Moykano last December a UFC two thirty one. Of course,

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Speaker 5: Moykano ended up getting pulled from that card and fought

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Speaker 5: Jose Aldos. So you know how they think of Mersad Bechdick,

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Speaker 5: Josh Emmett, big knockout of Michael Johnson his last time out.

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Speaker 5: What do you think about Emmett here slight dog against

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Speaker 5: Mersad Bechdick.

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Speaker 6: These are all excellent matchups and difficult because of it.

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Speaker 6: So I do get that hesitation as well as with

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Speaker 6: all of these, and I think Josh Emmett hits much

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Speaker 6: harder here. I think he's a good enough wrestler to

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Speaker 6: maybe give Mersud some problems. But I think Myersod has

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Speaker 6: learned a lot from his mistakes here. I think Myersod

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Speaker 6: can crack as well, perhaps not as heavy as Josh Emmett,

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Speaker 6: but I think it might be enough to get a

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Speaker 6: decision win. I'm gonna go with Myersod Bectick. I think

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Speaker 6: his activity, his ability to stay busy and back Josh

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Speaker 6: Emmett up enough will get him a decision win here.

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Speaker 7: It's a tough one, but I'm going with Becdick.

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Speaker 5: Bectick has had bouts within activity injuries as well, but

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Speaker 5: there was a time where people were drawing comparisons to

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Speaker 5: George Saint Pierre and thought Becdick could could really be

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Speaker 5: a future featherweight champion. Big one for him against Josh

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Speaker 5: Emmitt all right, co main event. You're r a favorback

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Speaker 5: for the first time since twenty sixteen. He is the

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Speaker 5: plus two fifty underdog here against Ricky Simone in the

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Speaker 5: Monastery hundred range. As the favorite. Ian Parker will need

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Speaker 5: the round than the method of victory here for the

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Speaker 5: co main event, and you go in Faber or Simone.

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Speaker 4: Uh, this is kind of one of my scratch my

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Speaker 4: head fights. I don't I don't really understand. Uh favors

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Speaker 4: deal here. I can't see him needing the money. Maybe

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Speaker 4: he just is like I want to fight again in

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Speaker 4: Sacramento and they needed a comaine quickly. Uh, this is

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Speaker 4: this is Ricky Simone's time to shine and get a

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Speaker 4: big name on his resume. There's no question there how

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Speaker 4: he gets it done. I'll say TKO round round two.

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Speaker 4: I really don't understand this. And Kenny, you know, would

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Speaker 4: love to get your opinion on someone who is retired.

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Speaker 4: What would it take for you to come back? And

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Speaker 4: I'd rather see you step in and fight FA and

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Speaker 4: have a guy and Ricky, oh no, I'll be I'll

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Speaker 4: be honest with you. I I just don't even for

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Speaker 4: Ricky Simone, I don't know what this necessarily does for

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Speaker 4: his career. I think Faber did something that a lot

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Speaker 4: of these guys don't usually do, retire on a win

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01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 4: and kind of enjoy enjoy that. And now he comes

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Speaker 4: back and if he gets smoked. What was the point

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Speaker 4: a paycheck? I don't know. I'm going Ricky Simone round

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Speaker 4: to t KO. This is I don't get it. I'll

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Speaker 4: leave it at that.

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Speaker 5: Ricky Simon TKO round two the pick for Ian Parker

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Speaker 5: ken Flow. I'm not in the business of retiring fighters.

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Speaker 5: I don't even mind when certain fighters come back. I

1339
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 5: kind of feel like, once they put you in the

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Speaker 5: Hall of Fame as a modern era wing fighter on

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01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 5: the strength of your own merits, that you don't don't

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Speaker 5: always love the comeback. Your thoughts on what favor can

1343
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 5: do here against Ricky Simone, who's fifteen and one and

1344
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 5: has a great resume with three UFC wins, all of

1345
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 5: a high quality already, what do you.

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Speaker 7: Think it's tough?

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Speaker 6: Listen, I think, you know, to maybe answer Ian's question

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Speaker 6: a little bit, I think that you know, for Uriah,

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Speaker 6: here's an opportunity for him to fight in Sacramento. They

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01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 6: needed a big name fighter. You know, Uriah has been

1351
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 6: out of the limelight a little bit. That can kind

1352
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 6: of irk you a little bit. I think, not myself,

1353
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 6: but I think certain fighters that they like being in

1354
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 6: the limelight. I like having the attention on them, especially

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Speaker 6: in their hometown, and I think Uriah, being around the gym,

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01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 6: still still working out, wanted to try his hand at

1357
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 6: getting another win in the UFC. He just I think,

1358
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 6: has a baby, so maybe he does need some money.

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01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 6: Who knows, I don't know, but I think Ricky Simone

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01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 6: is a tough matchup for him, and I think you

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01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 6: could argue that obviously they're doing this to kind of

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01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 6: elevate Ricky Simone's status in the UFC. You beat a

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Speaker 6: legend like a Uriah Favor, now you're a name yourself,

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Speaker 6: And I think it's a wonderful opportunity for Ricky Simone.

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01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 6: I'm not sure he gets a TKO win over Uriah Favor,

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01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 6: but I do think he gets a decision win. I

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01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 6: like Ricky in this one by decision. Simones wins morob Dwalashwillie.

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01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 6: Obviously some controversy there, but then Montel Jackson and Roni Yaya.

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Speaker 6: So Ricky Simone all the rage and deserving that distinction

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Speaker 6: as a three to one favorite against the returning Uriah

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Speaker 6: Faber all right main event Women's Bandonweight Division aspen lad

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Speaker 6: minus one forty five. Germaine Derandomy is plus one point fifteen.

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01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 6: We're gonna have Ken Flow lead to the main event

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Speaker 6: this week, So derandom Flow former featherweight champion Lad is

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01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 6: undefeated eight and oh with six finishes. For Drandomy just

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01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 6: one fight since the win over Holly Holme for the

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01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 6: featherweight title that was February of twenty seventeen, had to

1378
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 6: win over Raquel Pennington and her return to bandon weight

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Speaker 6: that was last November. Your thoughts on Durandomy and lad

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01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 6: coming up in the main event, Well, listen to Dirandomy,

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01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 6: with her height, with her ability to strike, It's not

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01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 6: gonna be easy for Aspen to win that fight on

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Speaker 6: the feet. I think Aspen's got some power. She definitely

1384
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 6: is aggressive. She can be patient at times. She's gonna

1385
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 6: need that patience. She's gonna have to work her way in,

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01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 6: get close to the clinch and put drandom on her

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01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 6: back as quickly as possible. I think asmen Ladd can

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01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 6: get it done. I think it's gonna take her a

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01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 6: little bit more than a round, but I think you know,

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01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 6: she gets it done in round two by TKO. I

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01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 6: just think that her ground game is gonna be too

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01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 6: much for Jermaine Drandomy here.

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Speaker 7: That's my pick, all.

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Speaker 5: Right Ian For aspen Ladd. She fought that rematch with

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01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 5: Sajara Eubanks, and rematches are never easy. She was tested.

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Speaker 5: It was a fight of the night. I really liked

1397
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 5: what I saw out of aspen Ladd that night. The

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01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 5: question is does she stay undefeated here and win this

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Speaker 5: main event against Germaine randomy.

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Speaker 4: You know what, this is a very interesting opportunity for

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01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 4: Aspen Ladd, and I don't know which way it falls

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Speaker 4: at the moment, because again, this is probably one of

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01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 4: the best prospects of the division in a division that

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01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:25,719
Speaker 4: lacks a lot of depth, and she's going to get

1405
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 4: someone in GDR who has fought the top level. Done

1406
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:33,720
Speaker 4: pretty well for herself. Her fight against Sarge, You know,

1407
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 4: it showed a perseverance behind her. It showed that she

1408
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:39,639
Speaker 4: could overcome some interesting positions and she and she's tough,

1409
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 4: but that the way she fought in that fight is

1410
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Speaker 4: not gonna it's not gonna be enough. I don't think.

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Speaker 4: I actually kind of like GDR here. I like her

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Speaker 4: in regards to her stand up. I think she's fought

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01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 4: better level competition. I almost wish they gave Aspen a

1414
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 4: different fight before this. I think this may be a

1415
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 4: too much too soon. I wasn't sure where Kenny was

1416
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 4: going with that. I know the path to victory for

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01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 4: Asmin Wade is definitely on the ground, but Randomy is

1418
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 4: not easy to get down either, and you've got to

1419
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:07,640
Speaker 4: get past that striking. I don't think she should give

1420
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 4: it a bull rush a season vent like her, So

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01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:12,679
Speaker 4: I'm going to go with the underdog here. I'm gonna

1422
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:14,839
Speaker 4: stay by decision, but I'm definitely going with the underdog,

1423
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 4: all right.

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Speaker 5: Ian Parker likes Germaine de Randomy with conviction by decision

1425
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Speaker 5: in the main event. Ian, Happy birthday, man, appreciate the

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Speaker 5: extended time and your flexibility. We will talk to you

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01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 5: for san Antonio here in less than seven days.

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Speaker 4: Buddy, you got it, bro, thank you have a good one. Guys.

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Speaker 5: All right, that's it for the main event challenge, and

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Speaker 5: that is it for this week. And I do think

1431
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Speaker 5: if Ian doesn't beat you this week, we might have

1432
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 5: to call on some reserves here because we've given him

1433
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 5: i don't know, five six weeks and he's yet to

1434
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 5: produce a single win. So as we continue to lose ground,

1435
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 5: we do have to think about things because there is

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Speaker 5: some money on the line. All Right, that's it for today.

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Speaker 5: Thanks everybody for listening. Thanks to Ray Longo and Ian

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