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Speaker 1: Hey guys. Here we are on normally the show with

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Speaker 1: normal as it takes for when the news gets weird.

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Speaker 1: I'm Mary Katherine.

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Speaker 2: Ham and I am Carol Marko. It's I'm Mary Catherine.

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Speaker 3: How's it going.

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Speaker 1: It's going all right. We are just embarking. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if your family has on the Adventure of Orthodontics.

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Speaker 3: We're partially there.

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Speaker 2: Our oldest has in visi line, but she's sort of

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Speaker 2: a self cleaning oven, so we don't really do that

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Speaker 2: much with her. I don't love but the youngest one,

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Speaker 2: the younger ones, it's gonna be trickier.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like monitoring each child's jaw growth, Like, how

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Speaker 1: much am I going to have to spend on you?

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Speaker 1: Is there another way we can do this? Three year old? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I need you to overachieve in jow growth. So anyway, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's that's what I get for having all these big teeth. Man,

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Speaker 1: they inherited them.

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Speaker 2: I actually when our daughter was up for getting in

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Speaker 2: visi line.

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Speaker 1: I almost didn't want her to do it.

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Speaker 2: I liked her imperfect teeth, and it does make me

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Speaker 3: Perfect than they were, and.

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Speaker 2: I kind of miss her little fangs and her I

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Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know that I'm super into everybody's

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Speaker 1: Same, exactly the same, me neither.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I had orthodont you know, I had

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Speaker 3: I get it, but it's just I don't know.

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Speaker 1: See, now, your kid's teeth are probably like charmingly imperfect.

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Speaker 1: If you saw mine, if you had seen mine when

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Speaker 1: I may here, I am. Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 1: Well, unfortunately, not everything in the news is as light

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Speaker 1: as the orthodontics talk. We have an ongoing disaster in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's at least twenty four people dead at

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Speaker 3: It's sad to see their leadership and action. Let's play

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Speaker 3: the Gavin Newsom clip.

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Speaker 4: Like the executive Order, I talked about time value of

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Speaker 2: No, sir, I will not be buying your online coaching

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Speaker 2: plan at this time. Only listening to the audio, you

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Speaker 2: kind of have to imagine Knewso doing this like interpretive

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Speaker 1: So disasters are by definition disastrous. There will be very

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Speaker 1: bad outcomes, almost regardless of what is in place before

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Speaker 1: the disaster. However, and there's way too much of this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this ongoing thing with the both of them have

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Speaker 1: And we're seeing performance here, right. This is a you're

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Speaker 2: Absolutely and had a plan on just how to speak

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Speaker 2: It's just nobody knows what to expect from these people. Yesterday,

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Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom or two days ago, issued an executive order

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Speaker 3: Rebuild their homes.

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Speaker 2: Great, But as Lydia Leiterman points out on x our PACHLDS,

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Speaker 2: Red tape is pointless. The state will go back to

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Speaker 2: being broken after this. Dems caused the red tape, and

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Speaker 3: Stop voting for Democrats.

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Speaker 2: So it's interesting that they can get rid of the

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Speaker 3: But why did the red tape exist in the first place?

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Speaker 1: Well, and Bass herself called it the bureaucracy that holds

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Speaker 1: I do see the idea of getting rid of red

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Speaker 1: But in the meantime, they're not even close to that yet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, and again we're rooting for California. You

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Speaker 2: and I have discussed our California love in the past,

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Speaker 3: I would really love to see an awakening over there.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to see them realize, Wow, we have been

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Speaker 2: pushing crazy policies. I think I wrote about this for

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Speaker 2: of times rich people are immune from the policies, the

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Speaker 2: For example, Gavin Newsome and the wealthy people there send

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Speaker 3: But this is a.

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Speaker 2: Situation where rich people are seeing up close the effects

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Speaker 2: Switching gears in Yesterday's New York Times, in a surprise

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Speaker 3: trust has been broken.

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Speaker 2: I look, my trust has been broken, And so I

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Speaker 2: get why people are reconsidering this. I mean, having said

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Speaker 2: all that, I still think that the classic vaccines.

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Speaker 3: Are largely good. Do your own.

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Speaker 2: Research, you know, bring that back, bring that phrase back,

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Speaker 2: and decide for yourself well.

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Speaker 1: And I think Vene Prosad, who was a COVID skeptic,

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Speaker 1: and I think his writing about this is helpful and informative.

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Speaker 1: He writes that maybe the correct question is why is

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Speaker 1: our schedule so different than like Denmark? Right? And that

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Speaker 1: is a question that I think we can safely engage

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Speaker 1: in while retaining trust, Like actually you would gain back

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Speaker 1: by trust by having that conversation while giving people more

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Speaker 1: trust for the biggies, right, the ones we want people

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Speaker 1: to have trust in if you actually just talked about that.

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Speaker 1: And so I think what they've what Public Health didn't want,

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Speaker 1: was to have a conversation about this. And I understand

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Speaker 1: the efficacy of not having a conversation. If you're above reproach, right,

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Speaker 1: you don't have that's the conversation. Once you become not

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Speaker 1: above reproach anymore, you have to have the conversation to

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Speaker 1: get people back in the fold you just do, and

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Speaker 1: you have to answer questions like why is our schedule

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Speaker 1: different from other European countries, and would it be harmful

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Speaker 1: if it were the same.

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Speaker 3: We're going to take a short break and come right

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Speaker 3: back with.

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Speaker 2: Normally well wrapping up our COVID segment. What is your

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Speaker 2: county engaged in over there America?

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Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh, so many good things. Well, first of all,

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Speaker 1: I should to give some perspective. Of course, the public

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Speaker 1: schools didn't have school for like four or five days

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Speaker 1: during the most recent snowfall. They were having trouble, of course,

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Speaker 1: plowing streets. Again, the basics are cool to me as

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Speaker 1: a high tax paying citizen, and yet a thing that

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Speaker 1: my county has been engaged in while not perfecting these

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Speaker 1: other basics, is just putting forth some money for a

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Speaker 1: COVID memorial, just a big old public display about those

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Speaker 1: we lost during COVID. However, the public backlash just spending

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Speaker 1: money on this and doing a whole design process and

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Speaker 1: wasting time and meetings on this, the backlash was so

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Speaker 1: large that they actually were like, never mind, it's a

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Speaker 1: memorial for many good things that people like and first responders,

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Speaker 1: and they just kind of like they're trying to fudget

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Speaker 1: into something else. But if even in this northern Virginia

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Speaker 1: County people's patients is hit for this stuff. It's happening elsewhere.

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Speaker 1: It's part of the vibe shift.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I saw a rendering of it or something.

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Speaker 3: It is goofy looking.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm not sure that you guys should be spending

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Speaker 2: your money on that, but you know.

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Speaker 1: I am. Yeah. It's like it's like a it looks

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Speaker 1: like a like a lame Mario go around that doesn't move,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't go anywhere. It's called circles of Memory, and

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Speaker 1: they are submitting zoning for it, and it's a way

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Speaker 1: to honor every Look, guys, just get the basics right first.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just get.

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Speaker 1: The basis right.

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Speaker 3: And that's that's all there is to it.

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Speaker 1: Really, so work in progress, work in progress on that.

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Speaker 2: Well, as we're talking about the California fires, I think

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Speaker 2: our last in case you missed its segment for today

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Speaker 2: is going to be about North Carolina. Yes, what's going

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Speaker 2: on over there.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I've been keeping an eye on this just because

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Speaker 1: I have friends and family both in LA and western

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Speaker 1: North Carolina. But I do think that the media tends

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Speaker 1: to reflexively pay a lot of attention to disasters that

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Speaker 1: happened nearby. Media capitals as LA is one, and they

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Speaker 1: don't when it comes to places like Appalachia, particularly Western

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Speaker 1: North Carolina was not paid a lot of attention to

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Speaker 1: because it could have hurt Biden leading into an election,

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Speaker 1: so there was less coverage than there might have otherwise been. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: this week, while Biden is announcing six months of totally

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Speaker 1: covered recovery costs for southern California, no matter what end

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Speaker 1: of story, as he was saying that folks were getting

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Speaker 1: thrown out of their FEMA housing, their temporary FEMA housing

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Speaker 1: in western North Carolina as a winter storm was bearing

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Speaker 1: down upon them. Now, what happened was there was a

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Speaker 1: deadline and if you didn't have your home inspected by FEMA,

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Speaker 1: or if you didn't do even if you didn't jump

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Speaker 1: through some of their hoops by this particular day, right

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Speaker 1: before this winter storm comes, you could be kicked out

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Speaker 1: of your hotel room that you're staying in with your family.

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Speaker 1: Some thirty five hundred people faced eviction from their hotel rooms,

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Speaker 1: and a bunch of nonprofit profits who are on the

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Speaker 1: ground there and folks like the equivalent of the Andrew

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Speaker 1: Gruhle in western North Carolina were out there saying no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: raising hell, you can't kick these people out. They raised

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Speaker 1: enough hell that they got enough attention that FEMA said,

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Speaker 1: oh yes, I guess we'll extend for a couple of

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Speaker 1: days past this winter storm, except then everyone's going to

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Speaker 1: be kicked out on this slightly later date. And in

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Speaker 1: the meantime, what did FEMA do with their offices in

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Speaker 1: western North Carolina in case anyone had questions or concerns,

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Speaker 1: what did they do? They were closed, Oh gosh, they

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Speaker 1: were closed through the weekend and through the winter storm,

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Speaker 1: you know, due to the inclement weather. So people can't

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Speaker 1: get updates or help. And essentially this is going to

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Speaker 1: be stop gap, like freak out mode public begging for

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Speaker 1: FEMA to help these people for the next foreseeable future,

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Speaker 1: which is another reason that I think that that Trump

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Speaker 1: would be wise to put like JD. Vance or someone

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Speaker 1: very high profile in charge of a western North Carolina

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Speaker 1: to just say, like Appalachia matters, We're going to get

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Speaker 1: resources for them. And although these folks, these folks don't

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Speaker 1: want to be in a hotel for the rest of

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Speaker 1: their lives, of course, they don't want to. They want

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Speaker 1: to do something else. But there's so many other issues

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Speaker 1: with the FEMA system and getting assistance and getting someone

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Speaker 1: out there to check out your space, that they're getting

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Speaker 1: caught up in the bureaucracy, and so they're hitting the

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Speaker 1: limit without somewhere else to go, Like this is just

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Speaker 1: right the nature of a disaster, and so I hope

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Speaker 1: that both federal politicians and North Carolina politicians start paying

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Speaker 1: a little bit more attention to this so that these

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Speaker 1: poor people don't have to live on the edge of

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Speaker 1: knowing whether them and they and their babies will be

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Speaker 1: thrown out into the cold next week. Right.

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Speaker 2: It would be really smart, actually for the Trump administration

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Speaker 2: to make this a top priority, yes, in the incoming

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Speaker 2: days of their administration, because these people do seem like

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Speaker 2: they've been largely forgotten.

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Speaker 3: I don't hear at all.

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Speaker 2: About anything that's going on in North Carolina. Occasionally some

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Speaker 2: pictures on x will come across my feed, but very

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Speaker 2: very rare, and of course, like you know, obviously the

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Speaker 2: LA fires are in the news, and they're es central

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Speaker 2: to the.

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Speaker 3: Story right now because they're.

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Speaker 2: Happening, you know, in real time. But nevertheless, I feel

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Speaker 2: like we're going to be hearing about the Palisades rebuilding

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Speaker 2: effort in a way that we're simply not hearing about

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Speaker 2: North Carolina.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: Maybe a JD Vance level, you know kind of person

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Speaker 2: should be on it, and I think he'll do a

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Speaker 2: better job than the last Vice president did with her

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Speaker 2: job of being at the border.

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Speaker 1: So, by the way, should I should note in case

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Speaker 1: this news breaks before this comes out, that's Senator Tom Tillis,

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Speaker 1: who is a North Carolina Senator. After this uproar roar,

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Speaker 1: spoke to the head of FEMA about the possibility of

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Speaker 1: having these hotel vultures extended until Trump gets into office.

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Speaker 1: So that would at least give them some room to

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Speaker 1: work with here, because these nonprofits are killing themselves trying

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Speaker 1: to go hotel to hotel and pay out the hotels

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Speaker 1: for extended stays for these folks. So, and it's Matt

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Speaker 1: van Swall by the way, who's the guy who I've

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Speaker 1: been following in Greg Biffel who report on these from

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Speaker 1: the ground when a lot of other people are not.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, can people still donate to North Carolina?

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Speaker 1: Yes, one of my favorites. There's Operation Shelter there, Samaritan's Purse,

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Speaker 1: and there's Emergency RV, which is so clever. It takes

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Speaker 1: donated RVs and drops them off in emergency areas where

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Speaker 1: people just need a shelter on short notice, and you

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Speaker 1: know they can live fairly comfortably in this tiny house

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Speaker 1: on wheels. So a couple of those could certainly use

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Speaker 1: your attention.

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Speaker 3: Excellent, We'll be donating to all of those.

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