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Speaker 1: few things, but in many ways she's split with her

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Speaker 1: because she's a true believer and President Trump is not.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't believe his own ideology, of which of which

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Speaker 1: he pitches and of which he convinces a person like

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Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green to be. Again, I am not sitting

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Speaker 1: here trying to lionize her. I'm just trying to explain

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Speaker 1: I don't like her anti Semitic thoughts. I don't like

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Speaker 1: some of this conspiratorial mindset. When going down QAnon, the

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Speaker 1: you know, she sort of you know, created a lot

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Speaker 1: of the you know, sort of participated in this hate

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Speaker 1: mongering that took place, the demonizing, of the unfair demonizing

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Speaker 1: of some members of the press. So I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to sit here and and but I do want to

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Speaker 1: explain this split because she does I really believe spe

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Speaker 1: for those that actually thought Trump believed this stuff. But

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Speaker 1: is in all those of us that have covered Trump

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Speaker 1: for thirty years and knew he's a bullshitter. He's always

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Speaker 1: been a bullshitter, and once again he's being exposed as

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Speaker 1: who he is. He is always bullshitting you, always, He

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Speaker 1: is always, always bullshitting. Rarely does he tell the truth,

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Speaker 1: and now more of his people are starting to figure

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Speaker 1: this out. Then, she continues, loyalty should be a two

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Speaker 1: way street, and we should be able to vote our

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Speaker 1: conscience and represent our district's interests because our job title

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Speaker 1: is literally representative. America first should mean America first and

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Speaker 1: only Americans first, with no other foreign country ever being

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Speaker 1: attached to America first in our halls of government. Standing

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Speaker 1: up for American women who were raped at fourteen, trafficked

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Speaker 1: and used by rich, powerful men should not result in

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Speaker 1: me being called a traitor and threatened by the President

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Speaker 1: of the United States, whom I fought for. However, while

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Speaker 1: yes hurtful, my heart remains filled with joy. My life

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Speaker 1: is filled with how happiness and my true convictions remain unchanged

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Speaker 1: because my self worth is not defined by a man,

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Speaker 1: but is said by God, who created everything in existence.

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Speaker 1: So then she explains why she decided not to do it,

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Speaker 1: not to face off with a Trump funded Republican primary opponent.

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Speaker 1: My only goal and desire has been has ever been

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Speaker 1: to hold the Republican Party accountable for the promises it

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Speaker 1: makes to the American people and put America first. And

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Speaker 1: I have fought against Democrats damaging policies like the Green

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Speaker 1: New Deal, or wide open, deadly unsafe border policies, and

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Speaker 1: the Transagenda on children and against women. With that has

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Speaker 1: come years of NonStop, never ending personal attacks, death threats,

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Speaker 1: law fair, ridiculous slander and lies about me that most

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Speaker 1: people could never withstand even for a day. It has

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Speaker 1: been unfair and wrong, not only to me and especially

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Speaker 1: my family, but to my district as well. I have

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Speaker 1: too much self respect and dignity, loved my family way

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Speaker 1: too much and do not want my sweet district to

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Speaker 1: have to endure a hurtful and hateful primary against me

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Speaker 1: by the president we all fought for only to fight

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Speaker 1: and win my election. While Republicans will likely lose the

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Speaker 1: mid terms and in turn be expected to defend the

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Speaker 1: president against impeachment after he hatefully dumped tens of millions

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Speaker 1: of dollars against me and tried to destroy me. So

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Speaker 1: this is now at the heart of why she resigned.

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Speaker 1: She's sitting and she's not wrong on this, right he

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Speaker 1: is desperate to prove that he has political power, and

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Speaker 1: right now it's not clear that Trump has the power

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Speaker 1: he thinks he has. Thomas Massey looks like he's gonna

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Speaker 1: win reelection. He's afraid of putting his finger on the

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Speaker 1: scale for anybody in Texas for fear of picking the

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Speaker 1: wrong guy, which tells me he has no comfort level

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Speaker 1: of whether he has the ability to persuade the way

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Speaker 1: he used to. He was clearly a negative to anybody

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Speaker 1: that touched him during during the twenty twenty five elections.

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Speaker 1: And she's right if she wins now. I don't think

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Speaker 1: the Democratic leadership that is stupid enough to try another impeachment,

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Speaker 1: and I yes, stupid, Like why I politicize this move

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Speaker 1: on from Trump? Trump is leaving the stage. It is

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Speaker 1: clear his own party at times wants them to leave

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Speaker 1: the stage. Don't do something that might actually galvanize the

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Speaker 1: party against them, right. It was always the head scratcher

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Speaker 1: of when Republicans, even after they got the impeachment effort

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Speaker 1: in ninety eight, didn't was essentially the voters told Republicans,

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Speaker 1: don't do it, and essentially gave a collective bird to

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Speaker 1: the Republicans that did it out of bitterness. They did

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Speaker 1: it anyway, and of course, you know, politically, you know,

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Speaker 1: pissed away whatever moral or ethical high ground that they

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Speaker 1: thought they were kidding. But she is right. She could win,

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Speaker 1: be in the minority and then be expected to defend

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Speaker 1: the president and his policies, which in some cases she

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Speaker 1: might instinctively defend because she believes in the policies. But

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Speaker 1: she's thinking, I'm going to be there a bulwark on

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Speaker 1: your behalf after you've beaten the crap out of me

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Speaker 1: and launched your political goons, and to go after her.

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Speaker 1: So it is understandable. I get why she's walking because

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Speaker 1: the upside again, there is no worse job in elective

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Speaker 1: politics than being in the minority in the House of Representatives.

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Speaker 1: The political wins are clearly blowing against Donald Trump right now.

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Speaker 1: And you know, again I go back, this is why

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Speaker 1: you know the phrase six year itch, which I believe

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Speaker 1: was coined by a longtime political scientist named Kevin Phillips.

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Speaker 1: I think he gets credit for that phrase, which is

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Speaker 1: sort of after you know, in the sixth year, after

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Speaker 1: parties had a lung it really you know, you really

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Speaker 1: see a hunger to flip. And we generally see that, right,

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Speaker 1: eight years of one party in a governor's mansion usually

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Speaker 1: means the out party is slightly favored or was certainly

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Speaker 1: going to overperform what they normally do. And I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, this is no ordinary second for Trump. This

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Speaker 1: is the end of a ten year run for him.

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Speaker 1: You know, he had a gap in some ways, it's

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Speaker 1: sort of like he did get a third term. Even

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Speaker 1: though he lost in twenty he was still sort of

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Speaker 1: the leading political figure in America still for that period

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Speaker 1: that Biden was president. So this is now the essentially

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Speaker 1: a mid term for Trump's third term, right, you know,

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Speaker 1: the FDR was wearing his welcome out. He was struggling

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Speaker 1: to hold his coalition together. But for World War Two,

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Speaker 1: maybe he doesn't run. But but for World War two

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Speaker 1: he certainly doesn't. I don't think wins that third term

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Speaker 1: as easily and you know, third term wasn't wasn't. I've

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Speaker 1: probably read three or four different books on the nineteen

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Speaker 1: forty presidential election. I've always been fascinated by that election,

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Speaker 1: and I encourage you. I've read him from different points

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Speaker 1: of view, one, you know, you from a more anti fdrview,

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Speaker 1: one from a more pro FDR view, but which I

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Speaker 1: highly encourage. By the way, when you when you read

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Speaker 1: about historical figures, try to find try to find a

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Speaker 1: you know, a negative critic and a positive critic, you know,

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Speaker 1: and if and try to consume both. I know that

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Speaker 1: is extra homework, but you know, it is what it is.

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Speaker 1: So I think she's right about this. I think her

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Speaker 1: explanation is perfectly rational. And you know, there's many political

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Speaker 1: reporters or trying to interpret this the way we all

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Speaker 1: do sometimes, which is all right, what's her real angle here?

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Speaker 1: Maybe what is she really setting up? Maybe she's doing this.

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Speaker 1: I think if she had she really was was interested

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Speaker 1: in sort of more of a to be more of

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Speaker 1: a political agitator, she'd jump in that center race. I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you this far john asstuff. I'd be petrified if

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Speaker 1: she jumped in the center race, because I think she'd

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Speaker 1: win this primary. I think this type of candidacy could

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Speaker 1: win a republic particularly a four way crowded Republican primary,

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Speaker 1: but it would turn it into some sort of weird

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Speaker 1: sort of anti It might create frenzy. But my point

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Speaker 1: is is that if she did harbor the ambition that

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Speaker 1: I think many are assuming she does, and I think

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Speaker 1: sometimes we all have to be careful sometimes of these

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Speaker 1: new figures that come in. You know, how many of

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Speaker 1: them suddenly get into the club and think, oh, now

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Speaker 1: I want to be president of the club, versus how

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Speaker 1: many even get in there because they actually really wanted

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Speaker 1: to do something. And she is expressed in this statement

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Speaker 1: that she's sort of turned off by Congress because she

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Speaker 1: hasn't because Congress on work. She's not the first person

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Speaker 1: to figure this out, and there's been quite a few

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Speaker 1: that bail after five or six years that that you know,

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Speaker 1: on their own, who could stick around but don't see

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Speaker 1: the value in another two years, especially if you're going

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Speaker 1: to be in the political minority. So anyway, it's I'm

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Speaker 1: fascinated by her statement. I would encourage you to read

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Speaker 1: the whole thing. I've obviously read quite a few clips

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Speaker 1: of it, because I think this is yours. This fracturing

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Speaker 1: is real. Humpty dumpty, and I guess Humpty Trumpy I

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Speaker 1: should call him, right, is not going to be able

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Speaker 1: to get this put this back together. I think that

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Speaker 1: we're sort of because it's in the late stages of

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Speaker 1: this movement. For in the early stages of this movement,

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Speaker 1: maybe that would be another story. But we're in the

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Speaker 1: late stages of this movement. We have a weakening economy,

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Speaker 1: and then you have a president right now who is

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Speaker 1: so he's clearly irritated by his political standing getting so sour.

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Speaker 1: So he doesn't ever sit idly by, and in some

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Speaker 1: ways he's making things worse, and he could continue to

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Speaker 1: do this. I thought it was fascinating that he quickly

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Speaker 1: said she just needed a time out. She's going to

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Speaker 1: be great when she comes back. That's some acknowledgment that

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Speaker 1: he knows she could be a potent political force that

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Speaker 1: on a movement for a movement he helped create, but

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Speaker 1: that he may lose control over. And that's going to

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Speaker 1: be something that I think it's worth is Thomas Massey

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Speaker 1: in some ways was Trump before Trump in the same way,

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Speaker 1: and he's going after Massy in extraordinarily hard ways, and

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Speaker 1: Massy in some ways is a more pure American first,

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Speaker 1: or more pure isolationists. And he's also not very pro Israel.

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Speaker 1: Neither's Marjorie Taylor Green and it's under for the same

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Speaker 1: supposed reason. They're also not in favor of sending any

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Speaker 1: money over to the Ukraine, right all sort of you could say,

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Speaker 1: you could disagree with that, but it is consistent with

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Speaker 1: the ideologies she's preaching, and I imagine that they're not

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Speaker 1: going to be very favorable towards Venezuela either. Before I

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Speaker 1: go and sneak in a break here, I do want

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Speaker 1: a quick little update on what we're seeing with this

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Speaker 1: Ukraine peace deal. There was a bit of a dust

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Speaker 1: up over the last forty eight hours where you had

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Speaker 1: Republican senators that are at the Halifi Security Conference. This

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Speaker 1: is a security conference always held in Halifax, Canada. It

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Speaker 1: is a you've heard of the Munich Security Conference. This

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Speaker 1: is essentially one that's about North America. And there's always

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Speaker 1: bipartisan groups of senators up there, and you have the

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Speaker 1: sort of the hawkish bipartisan Senate brigade that's up there

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Speaker 1: that's a little less America first Mike Grounds, he's been

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Speaker 1: pretty anti Russia, pro Ukraine, sort of the old Marco

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Speaker 1: Rubio wing of the party, even though Rubio is now

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Speaker 1: in the Trump administration. It's interesting that Mike Rounds and

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Speaker 1: Angus King both went public saying that Secretary of Rubio

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Speaker 1: told them the Russians authored this peace plan, that this

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Speaker 1: was the Russian peace plan. Now, when Rubio said, well,

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Speaker 1: that story is not true. This was a US author document.

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Speaker 1: I want to read this. Read these words carefully here

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Speaker 1: one more time, and the exact way that he worded this,

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Speaker 1: because I do believe, I do believe he left he

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Speaker 1: left open the possibility that what he told what he

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Speaker 1: was what has been reported that he said privately is indeed,

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Speaker 1: both things can be true. So here's what he said.

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Speaker 1: He says, the peace proposal was authored by the US.

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Speaker 1: Let's parse that. Okay, the peace proposal, all right, the

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Speaker 1: actual piece of paper is that what he's referring to.

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Speaker 1: So Steve Whitcoff took dictation from the Russians, That's possible

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Speaker 1: the Russians this was their suggestions, and we took all

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Speaker 1: of their suggestions and put it on a piece of paper.

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Speaker 1: But the US authored it. Right. Then he says it

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Speaker 1: has offered a strong framework for ongoing negotiations. This is

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Speaker 1: no final offer, right, This is an offer, not a

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Speaker 1: final offer. And then third, it is based on input

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Speaker 1: from the Russian side, but it is also based on

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Speaker 1: a no ongoing input from Ukraine. So this was Rubio's

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Speaker 1: response to the feeding frenzy that got started when Mike

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Speaker 1: Rounds and Angus King both went public saying, hey, this

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Speaker 1: peace deal isn't true. So Rubio kind of tries to

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Speaker 1: say no, no, no, But he doesn't say Rounds is wrong,

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Speaker 1: and he doesn't say Angus King was wrong, right. He

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Speaker 1: just puts up it extraordinarily. Remember, Marco Rubio did go

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Speaker 1: to law school, went to the years of Miami law school.

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Speaker 1: We went to went to Gainesville for undergrad So he's

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Speaker 1: one of these weirdos that claims to be both a

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Speaker 1: Gator fan and Hurricane fan. Sorry, Secretary Rubio, it is

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Speaker 1: not allowed at the nursery of Miami. There's no such thing.

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Speaker 1: You can have a divided household about Florida State. You're

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Speaker 1: not allowed to have one about the armpit of Florida.

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Speaker 1: I love my Gator friends, as you can tell. I

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Speaker 1: only love them almost as much as I love my

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Speaker 1: domer friends. But I'll get to them in a minute.

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Speaker 1: But the point of this is so Rubio is is

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Speaker 1: clearly uncomfortable with what to me he is signaling. Look,

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Speaker 1: this isn't my deal. This is one of these crazy

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Speaker 1: ass wit cough deals who got essentially once again, you know,

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Speaker 1: taken in by the Russians and he just plays stenographer

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Speaker 1: for whatever the Russians want. He's done this multiple times,

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Speaker 1: which is how he ended up with that ridiculous summit

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Speaker 1: where Trump got nothing out of it and it allowed

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Speaker 1: Putin to sort of try to reteach history. I should

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Speaker 1: read another Rubio tweet from a couple of days ago,

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Speaker 1: when this peace deal was circulating and he was trying

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Speaker 1: to show that he was supportive of the idea if

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Speaker 1: even if he wasn't supportive of the deal, He writes this,

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Speaker 1: ending a complex and deadly war such as the one

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Speaker 1: in Ukraine requires an extensive exchange of serious and realistic ideas,

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Speaker 1: and achieving a durable piece will require both sides to

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Speaker 1: agree to difficult but necessary concessions. That is why we

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Speaker 1: are and will continue to develop a list of potential

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Speaker 1: ideas for ending this war based on input from both

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Speaker 1: sides of this conflict. Again, Rubio is very careful here.

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Speaker 1: He is not trying to go up against the President,

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Speaker 1: but he's clearly trying to rain him in on this.

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Speaker 1: He is clearly want trying to get make it clear

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Speaker 1: this is a deal that the US did not author

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Speaker 1: It was actually the US may have taken dictation from

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Speaker 1: a Russian in order to put this on paper, but

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Speaker 1: that this was not necessarily based on any contributions, certainly

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Speaker 1: from the Secretary of State or the National Security Advisor. Wait,

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Speaker 1: it is the same person, it is. I do think

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Speaker 1: the fact that it looks like, you know, Trump put

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Speaker 1: this Thanksgiving deadline on here. I think if you're Zelensky,

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Speaker 1: you realize you still have a majority of Congress that

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Speaker 1: supports you over what Trump is trying to shove down

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Speaker 1: your throat. I think he feels I think he's managed

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Speaker 1: this smartly, which is he's not in the greatest position

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Speaker 1: these days because of this corruption scandal that he's been

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Speaker 1: dealing with, but he knows it's better to work with

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Speaker 1: Trump than to try to work against him publicly. He

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Speaker 1: may work against them buying the scenes, but he can't

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Speaker 1: work against him publicly. But as you can see, I

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Speaker 1: think I think we're going to see two more weeks, right,

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Speaker 1: We're going to get you know how, Donald Trump's got

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Speaker 1: a habit of when he wants to punch something, he's

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Speaker 1: going to buy himself two more weeks, which could mean

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Speaker 1: two days or two months, but it doesn't. But it

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Speaker 1: never means it's two more weeks. But you could see

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Speaker 1: something going here. Finally, before we get to write Thompson,

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Speaker 1: I just want to flag something for you. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to talk more about it in my next episode, but

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Speaker 1: I did an interview with Mike Turner for Newsphere. Please

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Speaker 1: go check it out, I promise you. This is from

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Speaker 1: my episode of Sunday Night with Chuck Todd on Newsphere.

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Speaker 1: Mike Turner, former House Intel Committee. We talk extensively about

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Speaker 1: this deal. Look, he is somebody that is he's a

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Speaker 1: former mayor. He was a former mayor of Dayton, Ohio.

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Speaker 1: So we actually talk a little bit about sort of

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Speaker 1: how do we depolarize why are mayors less partisan figures

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Speaker 1: than any other political figure in America. We get into

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Speaker 1: that conversation a little bit, but I want to I

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Speaker 1: do want to highlight the interaction we have over Venezuela

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Speaker 1: and whether Congress has been informed or not, and what's missing,

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Speaker 1: and whether whether there is whether the president whether what

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Speaker 1: he's doing is legal. Look, if you read the transcript,

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Speaker 1: Mike Turner didn't say anything counter to the president. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: you have to watch an interview. You got to absorb

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Speaker 1: an interview. You've got to see the pauses, the awkward pauses,

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Speaker 1: you've got to hear the responses to certain follow ups

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Speaker 1: that I have to try to try to understand where

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Speaker 1: he's going. Put it this way, it is painfully obvious

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Speaker 1: to me that this administration has not made the case

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Speaker 1: to Congress that what they're doing in Venezuela off the coast,

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Speaker 1: is legal, that what is happening here is quite dangerous,

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Speaker 1: that it may be counterproductive. I'm not saying I'm not

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Speaker 1: putting words in Mike Turner's mouth. I don't want that

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Speaker 1: to come across here. I want you to watch it

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Speaker 1: on your own. I'm just telling you what I took

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Speaker 1: away from it. I can match that with my own

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Speaker 1: reporting from different members of Congress who have certainly said

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Speaker 1: similar things to me. And we've seen much in the

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Speaker 1: public about this. But he's done a But the president

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Speaker 1: that has not made the case to the American public

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Speaker 1: at all. You saw some CBS polling indicating just as

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Speaker 1: much these extra judicial killings. To me, the great misstep

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Speaker 1: in this is the risk and this is what I'm

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Speaker 1: really concerned about, the risk of somehow galvanizing Venezuelan's behind

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Speaker 1: Maduro and if this ridiculously laid out policy that has

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Speaker 1: just not been well thought out leads to that talk

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Speaker 1: about counterproductive, setting us back in this region fifty years.

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Speaker 1: If we end up with an outcome like that, which

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Speaker 1: is certainly the way we are operating is that is

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Speaker 1: not a zero percent chance of a possibility, and it's

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Speaker 1: not even in the single digits. The way we're operating

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Speaker 1: here could galvanize pieces of the Latin American, of Latin America,

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Speaker 1: of South American countries against us in ways that we

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Speaker 1: will regret, and frankly, in ways that we have mismanaged

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Speaker 1: the hemisphere pretty much since the since arguably even before

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Speaker 1: the Spanish American War. But we never get this region right.

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Speaker 1: We always play colonists in some sort or imperialist in

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Speaker 1: some ways, and every time we do it, it backfires.

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Speaker 1: But I do think you've got to understand, Mike Turner

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Speaker 1: is no softy, he's no Trump hater. He may not

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Speaker 1: ideologically align with him on foreign policy, but you can

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Speaker 1: just see the lack of I mean, there's been total

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Speaker 1: disregard for the role of Congress in whatever the hell

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Speaker 1: is happening down on the coast, off the coast of Venezuela.

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Speaker 1: But it's pretty clear not a lot of people think

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Speaker 1: what's happening is legal, and this is something that Congress

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Speaker 1: ought to ought to be a bit more united on.

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Speaker 1: There should be a bipartisan anger about this, and unfortunately

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Speaker 1: has only been a blip because we've got so many

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Speaker 1: other things that we have to do in our crazy

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Speaker 1: political theater of the day. All Right, that was a

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Speaker 1: longer intro than I planned, I will admit that, but

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Speaker 1: we did hit. Like I said, I think this Marjorie

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Speaker 1: Taylor Green thing is a big deal because I do

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Speaker 1: think we haven't heard the last of her. She has

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Speaker 1: put herself in a position to be potentially the real

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Speaker 1: heir to the America First, non Trump aligned America First movement.

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Speaker 1: Different from what Tucker Carlson is doing. I think he's

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Speaker 1: kind of clown. He's a clown. He's not a serious guy,

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Speaker 1: and he gets exposed to being an unseerious guy all

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Speaker 1: the time. Weirdly enough, a person like Marjorie Tayl Green

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Speaker 1: has a lot more credibility to that movement than the

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Speaker 1: clown that is tougher Carlson. And with that, let me

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Speaker 1: sneak at a break and when we come back, a

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Speaker 1: We're going to go into the toodcast time machine. Let's

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Speaker 1: see where we're going. You know, I always I always

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Speaker 1: what I'm That's that's a move I'm trying to go

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Speaker 1: for here. So we're gonna go all the way back

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Speaker 1: to nineteen thirty nine. It's Thanksgiving Week and I thought

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Speaker 1: made references to it before. But for a few years

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Speaker 1: we had two Thanksgivings. And how did we end up

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Speaker 1: with two Thanksgivings? Well, it was the year FDR chose

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Speaker 1: to move Thanksgiving and guess what, it nearly tore America

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Speaker 1: in half. Let me tell you the story. So we

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Speaker 1: are it's it is Thanksgiving week, and by the way,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of a late version of Thanksgiving, right, Thanksgiving

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Speaker 1: is gonna be the twenty eighth this year, closer, you know,

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Speaker 1: and that what does that really mean? If you're a

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Speaker 1: essentially one less week to sell Christmas presents. Right. You

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Speaker 1: bit nervous about the shortened Thanksgiving to Christmas window this year.

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Speaker 1: Because I don't know about you, but I guess we've

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Speaker 1: all agreed. Black Friday now starts the Friday before Thanksgiving

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Speaker 1: because it was Black Friday week. We are already discussed

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Speaker 1: last time that now college has sent all their students

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Speaker 1: home the Friday before Thanksgiving. There's nobres short week at all.

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Speaker 1: No more Tuesday and Wednesday being the crappy time at

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Speaker 1: tell you Friday night we will each went there once

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Speaker 1: and it was a madhouse at National. So clearly now

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Speaker 1: And we now have decided to make Black Friday a week.

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Speaker 1: It is no longer a day, it is a week.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps it's a state of mind, right. So part of that,

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Speaker 1: retailers want to stretch, including Amazon, want to stretch the

855
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: whole calendar backward. But of course, this isn't the first

856
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 1: time that America has faced a late Thanksgiving and retail anxiety.

857
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: And there was one year when a president tried to

858
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: solve it himself. That's right, a president tried to move

859
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,959
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving and Americans reacted as if he'd committed a crime

860
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 1: against Turkey and tradition. So today we're going to get

861
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:33,280
Speaker 1: back into the time machine and we're going to revisit

862
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty nine. It's the year Franklin Roosevelt changed the

863
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: date of Thanksgiving and accidentally triggered a culture war. But

864
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: to understand why it blew up, we should understand a

865
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: little something about what most Americans have forgotten, and that

866
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: is that Thanksgiving wasn't always on a fixed date or

867
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: even a fixed week. In fact, presidents used to move

868
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: it all the time. Thanksgiving before FDR, for most of

869
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: you as history, Thanksgiving was not a settled holiday. Before Lincoln,

870
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: we had thirteen states, thirteen different dates. Each governor used

871
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: to pick their own day of Thanksgiving, usually somewhere between

872
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: October and early December, and it would move constantly. There

873
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 1: was no national standard. Then, in eighteen sixty three, in

874
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: the middle of the Civil War, Abraham Lincoln proclaimed a

875
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 1: single national Thanksgiving on the last Thursday in November, hoping

876
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: it would unify the country during, of course, what was

877
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: unimaginable division. But here's the part that people forget. From

878
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three through nineteen thirty eight, every president issued

879
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 1: a new Proclamation each year declaring the specific date of Thanksgiving.

880
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: We didn't do it. We didn't have a standard method.

881
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: Each year a president essentially would decide, So Thanksgiving wasn't

882
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: always a statutory holiday. It existed entirely at the whim

883
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: of the White House when the president wanted to have

884
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: the holiday, and presidents tweaked it. Ulysses S. Grant, he

885
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: moved it twice eighteen seventy one. In November twenty third,

886
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: he moved it for harvest and travel reasons. The eighteen

887
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: seventy harvest was late and early snowstorms hit the Northern

888
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: States hard, so governors and clergy petitioned Grant, saying that

889
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,280
Speaker 1: a late November date made travel dangerous and excluded rural families.

890
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: Grant decided to move Thanksgiving up a week to help

891
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: travelers and farmers. Then in eighteen seventy five he moved

892
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: it back. Newspapers, especially in New England, complained that Grant

893
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: had disrupted tradition and commerce, So four years later Grant

894
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: restored it to the last Thursday of November, which is

895
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: of course the original Lincoln Proclamation. Two moves to do

896
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: different reasons, both of more more logistical than cultural right.

897
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: Then came Grover Cleveland. He adjusted again. In eighteen eighty five,

898
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: Cleveland shifted Thanksgiving slightly earlier for two reasons, their economic jitters.

899
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: After the Panic of eighteen eighty four, merchants wanted a

900
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: steadier December, so in a symbolic reset, Cleveland wanted a

901
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: recast Thanksgiving as more secular, forward looking national holiday, not

902
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: as a war remembrance. So again he changed it slightly

903
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 1: more to create a little bit more unity, but again

904
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: it had to do with commerce. Then, in eighteen ninety nine,

905
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: William McKinley tweaks it. The Spanish American War just ended.

906
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: Troops were slowly returning from Cuba, and the Philippines Veterans

907
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: Group asked the White House to push Thanksgiving later so

908
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: that more soldiers could actually get home in time. So

909
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: McKinley obliged, and he actually picked a date that gave

910
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: returning servicemen a chance to join their families. He moved

911
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: it later. Across all these shifts, one theme would stand out.

912
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: Presidents had moved Thanksgiving before, but always for weather, harvest, travel,

913
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: or wartime logistics. It was never specifically for economic intervention.

914
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: It was never specifically for retail sales, and it was

915
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: never specifically for the shopping season. That's what made FDR's

916
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: decision in nineteen thirty nine different and politically a bit explosive.

917
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,720
Speaker 1: So in nineteen thirty nine, and we had a retail

918
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: panic over a short shopping season, why that year, Thanksgiving

919
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 1: was scheduled for November thirtieth, right, as basically as late

920
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: as it can go. Right, when the fourth Thursday can

921
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: be that late, it's possible. Right, it's as late as

922
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: it can go. Here we were in nineteen thirty nine.

923
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: The US is still trying to clocks weight out of

924
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: the Great Depression. Unemployment is still high, retailers are anxious.

925
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,479
Speaker 1: So retailers won the White House at a very short

926
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: shopping season will tank Christmas sales and tank the economy overall.

927
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: So Roosevelt, ever, the economic stinker. Right in many ways,

928
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: this is exactly something Trump would do. Don't let's not

929
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: pretend he wouldn't even the believer that government could nudge

930
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 1: consumer behavior. Hint, he decides to help. So he moves

931
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving up one week to November twenty third, And just

932
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 1: like that, there was no consultation or snow Congressional vote,

933
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: just simply a presidential proclamation. Well, guess what happened. FDR's

934
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: opponents dubbed it Frank's Giving, right, get it, Franklin Dell

935
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 1: and a Rosa Franksgiving, So we have Franksgiving. The reaction

936
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: became immediate, so families complained that school calendars didn't line up,

937
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: Churches complained that the holiday schedules were thrown off. College

938
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 1: football coaches even came out against it because rivalry games

939
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: were being messed up for years were based on the

940
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: last Thursday. So you had small business complaints. Governors complained,

941
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: radio commentators were mocking the president for Franksgiving. Republicans accused

942
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: Roosevelt of behaving like a monarch hint hint. Alf Landon,

943
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: in the GOP nominee just three years earlier, declares, this

944
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: is another illustration of the confusion which has characterized this administration.

945
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: All of this is nineteen thirty nine. People are calling

946
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: Roosevelt authoritarian over this Thanksgiving proclamation, and then the states

947
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,959
Speaker 1: get involved. We end up with two Americas and two Thanksgivings.

948
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: States were not required to follow the president's proclamation, so

949
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: guess what many did not In nineteen thirty nine, the

950
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: country ended up with twenty three states celebrating FDR Early

951
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving or show we call it Franksgiving, twenty two states

952
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:09,320
Speaker 1: refusing and sticking with November thirtieth at three states decided

953
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: to have two Thanksgivings. God love those three states. The

954
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 1: three states in case you're wondering, Colorado and Texas, and

955
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: I say potentially Mississippi because it is unclear whether they

956
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: put out a second proclamation or not. Definitely, it's clear

957
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: that Texas and Colorado were two states that decided to

958
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: have the two Thanksgivings, but Mississippi is the other one

959
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: that didn't seem to also have proclamations for either. So

960
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: either way, imagine having two Thanksgivings. You know, in some ways,

961
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: if you have two giant families and the in laws

962
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,959
Speaker 1: don't get along. You know, I'm somebody who I remember

963
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: as a kid, my parents didn't want to say no

964
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: to either one of their sets of parents. So I

965
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: think I had Thanksgiving lunch with my father's side of

966
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: the family and Thanksgiving dinner with my mother's side of

967
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: the family. We were early, right, you know, And that

968
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: happens when you're on there, when you have kids early

969
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: and you're in you're in your twenties, still you don't

970
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: You're you feared disappointing your parents, so you end up

971
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: trying to make everybody happy. By the way, this didn't

972
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,760
Speaker 1: last one year nineteen thirty nine. This ended up lasting

973
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: in nineteen forty and we became a nation divided over Turkey.

974
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 1: So by nineteen forty one, Congress finally decides to step in,

975
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: so we had the war looming. Of course, Congress decided

976
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: that Thanksgiving chaos needed to end, and they passed the

977
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 1: resolution that we live with today, Thanksgiving as the fourth

978
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: Thursday of November. It's not the last Thursday of November.

979
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: That was a you know, it is the fourth Thursday

980
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: of November. Roosevelt signs it into law December twenty sixth,

981
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: nineteen forty one, and that is why Thanksgiving floats the

982
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: way it does today. But wow, how about that? Huh?

983
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: That the fact that we had these two Thanksgivings it

984
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: split us on political lines. Look at how familiar that feels.

985
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: And I also bring it up because this was also

986
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: so sort of This was late in the second term

987
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,879
Speaker 1: of Roosevelt, right he's getting ready to looks like run

988
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: for a third term. That exhaustion was in anyway, the

989
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: point being is that there's so many similarities to the

990
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: times we're in now and where we are right especially

991
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: with this year's Thanksgiving. It's late, the shopping windows tight.

992
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: By the way, consumer sentiment sucks right now, We're a

993
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: decade low in consumer sentiment. Retailers are very nervous, just

994
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: like they weren't thirty nine. So that may explain why

995
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: they've taken matters in their own hands. And now we

996
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: have Black Friday month, or Black Friday Week or Black Friday,

997
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: which may begin I think with I think it begins

998
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: sometime on the fourth of July, you know, maybe just

999
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: after the fireworks, that that's the official kickoff for Black

1000
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: for the Black Friday season. Kind of half kidding, but

1001
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: you see where this is going. Anyway, It's an interesting story.

1002
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: It's a reminder sort of how some you know, wait

1003
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: all I tell you the story of Red Santa Claus.

1004
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: That's that, and how sometimes when you find out some

1005
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: of the sources of where it's a little it's a

1006
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 1: little bit of a bummer that it wasn't just this collective. No,

1007
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: we rose above partisanship in some ways because I think

1008
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving is our best holiday. It's the one time that

1009
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,919
Speaker 1: Americans try to be their best versions of themselves, more

1010
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: so than in any other holiday. I think, more so

1011
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: than the than the religious holidays in the winter. I'm

1012
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: not saying people don't get holiday spirit and all that stuff,

1013
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: but there's Thanksgiving is because it's not because it's secular.

1014
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: It feels as if it's the most inclusive of all

1015
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: the holidays. I think first gen Americans dig it just

1016
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: as much as as fifth and sixth generation Americans. It

1017
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: is it is a very American thing to do so,

1018
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: but like everything that we that we may think of

1019
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: as traditional now, at some point it was a political controversy,

1020
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 1: all right. So with that, let me dig into a

1021
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: couple of questions before I get in my college football

1022
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: stick for the week, ask Chuck ah. These are some

1023
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: well timed questions. Thank you very much producer Lisa for

1024
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: making sure I answered this question because it's something I

1025
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: didn't discuss in the open. First question comes from Mel

1026
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: and asks, Hey, can we please get your hot take

1027
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: on Trump falling head over heels in love with New

1028
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: York City mayor Mom, Donnie, this is one hundred and

1029
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: eighty degree change. What magic does Mom Donnie have Trump

1030
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: was spint and why, well, a few things. I think. Look,

1031
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: Trump wants to be associated with winners. That's number one. Two.

1032
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: When somebody it gets good press for being Trump like,

1033
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: he wants to find a way to to say nice things.

1034
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 1: Look what he does with Bernie Sanders, right, he knows

1035
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 1: many of sanders voters ended up with him. He My

1036
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 1: guess is, Mom Donnie came armed with letting him know, hey,

1037
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: some of my voter, some of your voters voted for

1038
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: me in twenty five, who voted for you in twenty four?

1039
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: And you know Trump is you know, last person that

1040
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: whispers something in his ears is what he ends up

1041
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: spewing out. So you know, look, everybody we already learned.

1042
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: Mom Donnie called other governors and mayors who have dealt

1043
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: with Trump, including Mayor Bowser, I think Governor Wes Moore,

1044
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: who confirmed with me he had that conversation with Mom Donnie.

1045
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: Apparently Shapiro and Whitmer as well. How do you manage Trump?

1046
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: What's you know what some advice at dealing with them?

1047
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: And uh, it wasn't in either one of their interests

1048
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: personally to get into a feud, especially in this moment,

1049
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: Trump's in a bad place, right. He can't get on

1050
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 1: the wrong side of somebody that just won on the economy.

1051
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: So I think I think that that was a motivator.

1052
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: But you know, anybody that is compared to him favorably,

1053
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: he is going to find a way. I mean, for

1054
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: the same reason he can't help himself with Putin right,

1055
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: Whenever Putin says nice things, he loves it. Why these

1056
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 1: dictators will say nice things and he and he melts. So,

1057
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: you know, Mam Donnie's no different than anybody else that

1058
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 1: works Trump from overseas as well. So I thought it

1059
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: was fascinating that he said out words are words Trump.

1060
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: You know, I know where I spent a lot of

1061
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 1: time saying off in Trump Bullshit's the American public. He does.

1062
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: One place where he's telling the truth is it is

1063
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: where he's telling the truth is when he says, oh,

1064
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Speaker 1: that's just campaign talk right right when he was helping

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Speaker 1: Mam donnie, Oh, don't answer that question. They just you know,

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Speaker 1: about whether he's a fascist or a despot or a communist. Right,

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01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: Trump views all of that, He had views it all's

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Speaker 1: fair during the campaign, and then he wants if you're

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Speaker 1: willing to put aside things and just say, oh, we're

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01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: just falling around. Then he is. Look, I can just

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Speaker 1: tell you my own interactions with him when he's when

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Speaker 1: he's come after, when he came after me in some

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01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: really harsh ways. You know. I'd say, you know, mister president,

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01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: you know when you called me a son of a bitch.

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Speaker 1: My daughter saw it first. She's fifteen. I'm not crazy

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01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 1: about that. He goes, well, you can tell her I

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01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: don't really mean it, you know, I don't say these

1078
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 1: things about reporters. I don't like I say things about

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01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 1: the reporters that matter to me, you know, And that

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01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: you know, he sort of he thinks it's all part

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Speaker 1: of the game, and that I'm playing a role and

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Speaker 1: he's playing a role. And I think he's always playing

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01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 1: a role. I think there's there's and he wants us

1084
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: all to play the role a certain role too. And

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01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: I think that that's where some of this sister, where

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01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: he views the theater as the theater. And then he's

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Speaker 1: also somebody that says he'll talk with anybody, and if

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01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 1: you're wanting to talk with anybody overseas, then you should

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01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: be able to want him to talk with anybody that

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Speaker 1: you politically disagree with. It is strange, though, that he

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Speaker 1: seems to have a warmer relationship already with Mom Donnie

1092
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Speaker 1: than he has with either Schumberg Jeffres and he's made

1093
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: a choice not to have a relationship with Schumer jeffres or. Moreover,

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01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 1: it's possible that his own staff as kept Schumer and

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01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:05,959
Speaker 1: Jeffreys away from Trump for fear he may cut deals

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01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 1: with them, which is not which is not an uh,

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01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 1: which is not a which is not something that those

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Speaker 1: who don't want to see deal scott with them. And

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Speaker 1: it's there's a reasonable likelihood of that anyway. So I

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01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 1: at first was I surprised by it? I was was

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01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 1: I shocked by it? I wasn't by the way he

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01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: really let imagine you're at least stephonic, right, you came

1103
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: up as a fast rising star of Paul Ryan's and

1104
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: Mett Romney's Republican Party. You decide I'm gonna go a

1105
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 1: maggots to sort of replace Liz Cheney in the leadership. Right,

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01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take advantage of this moment and and and

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01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 1: just suck up to Trump sort of be something I'm

1108
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 1: not And pretend I'm this, and so she does and

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01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: becomes this sort of maga transforms and like kind of

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01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 1: like we see Lindsey Graham and his sort of pathetic

1111
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 1: heel turn that he's done and now he's all, you know,

1112
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: mister magnet, because he felt like it was the only

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01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 1: way he could stay relevant and that's all he cares

1114
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 1: about is relevancy. But it's kind of for those of

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01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 1: us that thought there was something more to him than

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01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 1: just staying relevant, you know, And it's always amusing to me.

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Speaker 1: People need to remember that the reason that Steele Dosi

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01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: I got credibility is because of Lindsey Graham. Lindsay Graham

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01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 1: is literally the person that handed the steal dos out

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Speaker 1: to about half the reporters that ended up taking a

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Speaker 1: look at it. So never nobody should ever forget that fact.

1122
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 1: And he has been running away from that fact ever

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Speaker 1: since he did that flip. But you're at least dephonic.

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Speaker 1: You did. You sold your own your ideology out, you

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01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: sold your own soul out, all to quickly move up

1126
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 1: thinking it was going to work. And what has it gotten.

1127
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 1: You got the leadership position for a period of time,

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01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: so you got to replace Liz Cheney. Let's see, did

1129
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: you end up ambassador you in Nope, that got yanked

1130
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: from you. How's that governor campaign? Gonna know? You're trying

1131
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 1: to literally use mom Donnie to to hang uh and

1132
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: use Mom Donnie to defeat Hokal? And what does Trump

1133
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 1: do literally pulls the rhetorical rugout from under you on

1134
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: this because now anything she says about Mom Donnie, you say,

1135
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: but President Trump, she tried to clean it up. She

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01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: tried she put out it. You know, I I don't

1137
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 1: know what he sees. I still see this and he's

1138
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 1: a communist and he's this, this and this, and it's like, oh, well,

1139
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 1: but one thing Donald Trump did do is it really

1140
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: did expose at least Stephonic and she just is you

1141
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: know again, this is why if you're a Republican and

1142
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: you're and you're trying to figure out how to navigate Trump,

1143
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: when you when you when you flip your who you are,

1144
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 1: when you completely try to change your identity, just know

1145
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 1: when you get exposed, you'll have no clothes on. Right.

1146
01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 1: It is the literally she is politically naked now, and

1147
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 1: it is you know, it is likely an unfixable situation

1148
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 1: for her at this point. Next question comes from Austin.

1149
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 1: From Austin, It's just you gotta love that, right, Austin

1150
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 1: from Austin, I'm hoping for a question from Orlando. From Orlando,

1151
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 1: that would be nice. We could get that, that would

1152
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 1: be That would be fantastic. He goes. I know you're

1153
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 1: a journalists not a politician. You've made clear you want

1154
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 1: to contribute from your current platform. But given your name recognition,

1155
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 1: trust with the public, and ability to communicate across the

1156
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: out without ego or spin, I can't help, but wonder

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01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 1: is it totally out of the question for you to

1158
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 1: run for office some day? You check a lot of boxes.

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01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 1: People say they want a leader, deep knowledge of policy,

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Speaker 1: respect for institutions, genuine desire for unity, Even if it's

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Speaker 1: a long shot, I think the question's worth asking, Austin.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the question. I have gotten a few inquiries

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Speaker 1: from a variety of places. I just I really think

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01:06:54,360 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: it would. I care about the institution of the media enough,

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01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 1: you know. I go back to something when Jay Carney

1166
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: made the decision to become go from being bureau chief

1167
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 1: of Time magazine a spokesperson for Vice President Biden, I

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01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 1: understood the decision he had to make, and he was

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01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 1: making for his family. Time was he said, you know, look,

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01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 1: this was he was sort of the beer chief for

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01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: when time had relevancy and it was quickly fading away.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, his he had to look, he

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01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 1: decided he had to pivot careers. And I understand it,

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01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 1: and I understand it from his point of view, but

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Speaker 1: his decision hurt all of us. It hurt the entire

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Speaker 1: political media community because there are those of us who

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Speaker 1: just you know, aren't political actors. And he just called

1178
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 1: making the decision he made called, you know, only reinforced

1179
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 1: this belief those in the right that all mainstream media is,

1180
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 1: you know, if given a choice, is always going to

1181
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 1: pick one side of the aisle. And of course it

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01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 1: called into question the reporting itself for a period of time.

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01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 1: It's why, that's why so many journalists are just outraged

1184
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 1: by this Olivia News. I cannot believe Vanity Fair is

1185
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 1: employing anybody that trades sex for scoops. If that's what

1186
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 1: this is, certainly what it looks like, right, It's it's

1187
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:19,599
Speaker 1: wrong on any number of levels, But your credibility as

1188
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 1: a journalist should matter. You know, if I ever did run,

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01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: I would never run with either of the two parties.

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01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 1: It would be some sort of you know, nonpartisan or independent.

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01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 1: But I just the only the only office that would

1192
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: intrigue me would be would be some sort of mayor position.

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Speaker 1: If I ever did it. To be fully, you know,

1194
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to be here and be one of these,

1195
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 1: I'd never do it. I'm pretty sure i'd never do it.

1196
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 1: But if I thought I could help my community where

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01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,959
Speaker 1: I lived in as a as some sort of county

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Speaker 1: or you know, or mayor in a way that might

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Speaker 1: you know, to help solve problems. If I thought I

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Speaker 1: could do that, I would not go and be in

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01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:06,560
Speaker 1: the legislature of any kind, not under these circums. I

1202
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 1: just not the way these legislatures are working these days,

1203
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: there would be no chance on something like that. So

1204
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 1: it is seriously unlikely at all. And like I said,

1205
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:21,440
Speaker 1: the thing that the only elected officials I've come across

1206
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: who have gotten satisfaction out of the job are mayors

1207
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 1: and governors and obviously presidents. I'm not even remotely putting

1208
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 1: myself in that category. But that's why it's sort of

1209
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 1: Mayor feels like the most credible place that someone like

1210
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 1: me can end up all right. One last question and

1211
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 1: then I want to do my college football. This comes

1212
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 1: from Greg from Peoria. I always love to find out

1213
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 1: how it's playing in Peoria. You mentioned we're now more

1214
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 1: of a You're now more of a policy want than

1215
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 1: a political one. What led to that shift? I think

1216
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 1: I've always been both for what it's worth and how

1217
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,720
Speaker 1: do you track evolving policies across administrations, especially when some

1218
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 1: change constantly or barely exist out. My son and I

1219
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 1: are both Notre Dame fans. He's die hard, I'm fair weather.

1220
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 1: He got fired up when you defended Miami and down

1221
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 1: played Notre Dame wins. He swears teams are never one

1222
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 1: hundred percent, so please don't tempt him into researching resting starters.

1223
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 1: It'll tank his GPA. Greg for purious is ps, love

1224
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 1: the election coverage, Watch the whole night. Thank you well man.

1225
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 1: It turns out our numbers were even bigger than I thought.

1226
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 1: I've now heard some estimates that we might have even

1227
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 1: crossed over a million combined when you count our X

1228
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:30,640
Speaker 1: and our various youtubes. I'm still trying to figure out

1229
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 1: the references on that. It's I guess the argument I

1230
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 1: would make is I've always been I think that, and

1231
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:41,640
Speaker 1: this is true of most people that cover politics I

1232
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 1: think for a long period of time, is that there's

1233
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 1: always an issuer too that you're very passionate about that

1234
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 1: sort of gets you interested in getting involved or reading

1235
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 1: about politics. And then, yes, political reporting can be very much,

1236
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:58,680
Speaker 1: very campaign focused, and certainly the first fifteen years of

1237
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 1: my career were much about the business of getting people elected.

1238
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:04,600
Speaker 1: That's what I did for a living. I ran the

1239
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 1: trade publication that just focused on that, so that's what

1240
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:10,640
Speaker 1: I had to be an expert on. The great thing

1241
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 1: about shifting over to NBC is that is that it

1242
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 1: was like I had one foot in both camps and

1243
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 1: I got to finally showcase a little bit more of

1244
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,720
Speaker 1: the policy chops. And that's what made why I Meet

1245
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 1: the Press was sort of the perfect job, you know,

1246
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 1: perfect job in reporting, you know, and for the night

1247
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: and it's it just was and it was great, and

1248
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 1: I'm glad I had my nine year run. I don't

1249
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 1: think i'd want to go back, and I you know,

1250
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 1: I want to just create the stuff I liked the

1251
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:40,719
Speaker 1: best about it and try to build a better version

1252
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:43,919
Speaker 1: of it here. So the longer conversations and the ability

1253
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 1: to do both policy and politics. So it's not really

1254
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 1: that it's one over the other. It's just my career

1255
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,640
Speaker 1: was focused on the business of campaigns and elections for

1256
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:56,679
Speaker 1: fifteen years. That was my job. That was the profit

1257
01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: motivator of the publication. Even you know, there would be

1258
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:02,760
Speaker 1: policy stuff that I'd read about, but we didn't have

1259
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:06,599
Speaker 1: a place to cover it. That's obviously was different than

1260
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:08,639
Speaker 1: the last twenty years of my career here where I've

1261
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 1: been in that mode. And now that's the beauty of

1262
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:13,759
Speaker 1: this podcast that essentially I get to do a little

1263
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 1: bit of both. All right, I'm gonna put a button

1264
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 1: in that for this week we will do. I will

1265
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 1: do a lot more questions later this week, I promise,

1266
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 1: But let me give you what you know. Look, I'm

1267
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 1: gonna be honest. I don't think this was this weekend

1268
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:40,719
Speaker 1: could have gone better for Miami's chances in the college

1269
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 1: football playoff. I was my producer, who's listening right now,

1270
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:48,679
Speaker 1: one of my producers who's listening right now, Lauren Gardner.

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01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 1: It's a big Utah youth fan. Let's just say I

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01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 1: was a big Kansas State fan. This weekend and how

1273
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 1: the hell did you tah end up winning that game.

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01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:58,360
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to figure out Kansas State had that

1275
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 1: game in the bag. I was hoping at least one

1276
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:04,759
Speaker 1: team that was unfairly ranked above Miami. I don't accept

1277
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 1: the premise of Miami should be ranked as low as

1278
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 1: they were, but I wanted at least one team ranked

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01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 1: ahead of them to lose, and that didn't happen. I

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01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna you know, at this point, it's a

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01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 1: moot question. My son and I disagreed on whether we

1282
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 1: needed whether USC win over Oregon would be good for

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01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 1: Miami or bad for Miami. He thought it would be

1284
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 1: bad for Miami because that USC would then leapfrog Miami. Maybe,

1285
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 1: but then I think Oregon. I kind of think both

1286
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 1: Oregon and USC are gonna lose next week. Oregon's gonna

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01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 1: lose to Washington. I'm just convinced of it. That game's

1288
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 1: in Washington, it's in Seattle. It's going to be weird

1289
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 1: that weird weather. Yes, I know, Organs, you said weird weather.

1290
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:47,640
Speaker 1: But that's a real rivalry game. And Washington's not a

1291
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 1: bad team, and Jed Fish a great coach, and so

1292
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 1: and or I'm not convinced Oregans to certainly they don't.

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01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 1: I don't not convince their top five team. I get

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01:13:57,439 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 1: that they're right, you are what your record says you are,

1295
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 1: as the great Bill Parcels said, But I just don't

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01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 1: buy that they're a top five team. They just they

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01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 1: just I smell an upset there. And if you told

1298
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:14,559
Speaker 1: me you UCLABTSC, that wouldn't shock anybody. Right. In Factuy,

1299
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 1: I'll never forget one of my favorite Miami games of

1300
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 1: all times, a game where Miami actually was part of

1301
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:23,479
Speaker 1: one of their worst years they ever had. It was

1302
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:30,679
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety eight, I believe, and it was Miami

1303
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 1: had Miami played UCLA in the last game of the Sea.

1304
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:35,560
Speaker 1: It was sort of like in the in the first December,

1305
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 1: and it was a game that was actually supposed to

1306
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 1: be the first week of the season. It got postponed

1307
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:42,600
Speaker 1: because of a hurricane, so ended up getting moved to

1308
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 1: the last game of the season. Well, UCLA, Kansas State,

1309
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 1: and Tennessee all entered that weekend rank number one. Kansas

1310
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 1: State I think lost. This was a stranger. I think

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01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 1: Kansas State lost in the Big twelve title game. I

1312
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:57,640
Speaker 1: think they lost to Texas. Florida ends up losing I

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01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 1: think in the SEC game title game. I think, if

1314
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, but they were ranked number one and

1315
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 1: UCLA was number one and some boards, and they lost

1316
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:08,680
Speaker 1: in one of the craziest games where Edgerrin James, who

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01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:11,240
Speaker 1: would go on to be an NFL I think he's gotten.

1318
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 1: I think he's in the Hall of Fame. If he's not,

1319
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 1: he will be. But he was sort of the you know,

1320
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,640
Speaker 1: one of the big three for the initial run of

1321
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 1: Peyton Mannings Colts right Edgrid James ran for over three

1322
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 1: hundred yards against UCLA. Okay, ran for over three hundred yards.

1323
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 1: It was one of these crazy games that just went

1324
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 1: back and forth and buy me somehow hung on totally

1325
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 1: ruined UCLA season, cost them a shot at the national title.

1326
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 1: But that day everybody lost, and I think Florida and

1327
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 1: Florida State ended up playing a rematch for the national title.

1328
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 1: One of the worst outcomes, but it's what the computers

1329
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 1: came up with somehow. I think everybody loses. Florida State

1330
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 1: had already lost. I think to to I think it

1331
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 1: was Florida or I know what it was. That's the

1332
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 1: and then Florida State, Tennessee. That's what it was. Tennessee

1333
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:56,600
Speaker 1: ends up in the national title game and this is

1334
01:15:57,040 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 1: t Martin's Tennessee volunteers who ended up facing I think

1335
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 1: a third or a four strength Florida State quarterback due

1336
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 1: to injuries, and we had it. But what I remember

1337
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:10,639
Speaker 1: is that that last weekend was crazy. You had because

1338
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 1: of the crazy BCS rankings. There were three different number

1339
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:16,679
Speaker 1: one teams depending on which poll computer you were looking at.

1340
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 1: Tennis floor, I think it was probably was Tennessee, Tennessee,

1341
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 1: Kansas State, and UCLA. They all three lose, but then

1342
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:26,600
Speaker 1: somehow it's Tennessee and Florida State in the matchup. So

1343
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:30,640
Speaker 1: point being, I'm expecting real chaos next week, but that

1344
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 1: preview is coming, I do an undo. So let's talk

1345
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 1: about Miami's went in Virginia Tech. It was a bit

1346
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 1: frustrating that Miami didn't have more points because they dominated

1347
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 1: the game. Game was never in doubt, just like the

1348
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 1: Miami Notre Dame game. People are really forgetting how actually

1349
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 1: that game played out, and it's driving me crazy. Notre

1350
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 1: Dame lost by three points in the scoreboard, but that

1351
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:53,559
Speaker 1: was not the game. Miami controlled the game throughout, had

1352
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 1: a double digit lead throughout, and it was just you know,

1353
01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 1: a late, sort of cheap touchdown because Mario Crystal does

1354
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 1: what he does and sort of playing prevent rather than

1355
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 1: just sort of smothering a team, which of course he

1356
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:11,640
Speaker 1: slightly learned the lesson differently and actually went ahead and

1357
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 1: scored a cheap late touchdown pat Miami's lead here in

1358
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:18,639
Speaker 1: this Virginia Tech game. But we were playing a team

1359
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 1: that cared, right, It's clear, you know, this is now

1360
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 1: third week in a row where Notre Dame has not

1361
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 1: played a team that really cared about the game. You

1362
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 1: had pitted. Clearly, now we know the difference between pitt

1363
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 1: caring about a game they beat Georgia Tech save players

1364
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 1: didn't play against. Again, Notre Dame should not get much

1365
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 1: credit for that game, for that pit win, nor should

1366
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 1: they get much credit for the Navy win. And I,

1367
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 1: you know, sorry to my friends in Peoria, but that

1368
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 1: should matter. You and I both know if Miami ended

1369
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 1: up in a situation like that, they sure as hell

1370
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 1: hold that against Miami. But I'm not gonna sit here

1371
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 1: and say, hey, seventy points is seventy points, right, And

1372
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:57,679
Speaker 1: obviously they had all those pick sixes from the lacrosse

1373
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:01,599
Speaker 1: player who didn't know how to throw football. God love them all. Right,

1374
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 1: Miami could also put up seventy against a lacrosse player.

1375
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 1: I don't think we faced the lacrosse player for what

1376
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 1: it's worth. But I digress. I'm not going to sit

1377
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:10,599
Speaker 1: here downplay their win. It was a great win. Good

1378
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 1: for them for putting seventy points on the board. Trust me,

1379
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 1: if we had put seventy points on the board, I'd

1380
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:18,640
Speaker 1: be going, hey, we put seventy points on the board.

1381
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:21,439
Speaker 1: But I will say this, I do not only does

1382
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:24,360
Speaker 1: Miami need to be pitt next week on Saturday, a

1383
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 1: game that I my daughter is pushing me really hard

1384
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 1: to do as a day trip. It's only a four

1385
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:30,559
Speaker 1: hour drive. So let's just say we're contemplating here at

1386
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:36,760
Speaker 1: the Todd household, certainly would like to see Miami win

1387
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 1: by more than twenty one points, which I believe is

1388
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:44,680
Speaker 1: the I believe Notre Dame one thirty five seventeen in

1389
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 1: that game. I want to say it is I think

1390
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 1: that's what they want by or was it thirty seven

1391
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 1: to fifteen something like that. Either way, if Miami can

1392
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:52,719
Speaker 1: be pitt by more than Notre Dame. That may matter.

1393
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 1: There is a chance, right the path to Miami getting

1394
01:18:56,240 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 1: the SEC title game is simpler now, meaning if Miami

1395
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 1: beats Pitt, Virginias is a Virginia Tech I think, and

1396
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 1: SMU wins. I think it's Miami and SMU in the

1397
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:11,680
Speaker 1: for essentially a rematch for the AC title, which is

1398
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:14,280
Speaker 1: probably would be the matchup of the two of the

1399
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:17,640
Speaker 1: two currently best teams in the ACC, and frankly, they

1400
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:19,719
Speaker 1: may be the best teams in the ACC, or Miami

1401
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 1: in SMU, which arguably were the two best teams in

1402
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 1: the ACC last year when SMU got the invite, but

1403
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 1: but Miami did not because frankly, Mimmy screwed up that

1404
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 1: last game against Syracuse. So it's not an unrealistic path.

1405
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 1: Will Virginia Tech get up for the Virginia game. It

1406
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:40,759
Speaker 1: is an in state rivalry game, I hope, so James

1407
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 1: Franklin being I wish James Franklin being introduced as coach

1408
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:45,640
Speaker 1: next week, not this past week. I think it gave

1409
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 1: him a little extra juice, which is why we got

1410
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 1: a pretty good effort out of them. But I think

1411
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 1: if you watch the game, you realized Miami's one of

1412
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:53,920
Speaker 1: the ten best teams in the country. They have easily

1413
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 1: one of the two or three best defenses in the country.

1414
01:19:57,439 --> 01:19:59,760
Speaker 1: It is if Miami's ten and two, I don't know

1415
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 1: how you leave them out if you want the if

1416
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 1: you're trying to find the ten best teams plus you know,

1417
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 1: the app plus those that have to get put in,

1418
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:11,839
Speaker 1: I don't know how you don't include Miami. I'm i am.

1419
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:15,240
Speaker 1: I accept the premise that Miami will get in with

1420
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:17,559
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Miami isn't going to get in instead of

1421
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Should they? Of course, if the idea that

1422
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:23,559
Speaker 1: you don't use head to head and more and more

1423
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 1: of the college football media world realizes how ridiculous that

1424
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 1: sounds that somebody that literally a head to head isn't

1425
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 1: going to matter, which is just asinine and makes college

1426
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:37,960
Speaker 1: football look like the WWE. Okay, this is what wrestling does.

1427
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:40,800
Speaker 1: It just decides who they want. It is not a

1428
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 1: real sport, and why college football wants to be more

1429
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:45,760
Speaker 1: like the WWE. But of course ESPN, now in bed

1430
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 1: with the WWE, now wants to manufacture competition, fake competition,

1431
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:55,679
Speaker 1: like they're doing with the ESPN Invitational I've watched Oklahoma

1432
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 1: play football. I know they may be ten and two.

1433
01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 1: This is not a top ten football team, folks. This

1434
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,720
Speaker 1: is not a team that is gonna I don't know.

1435
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 1: They took all those turnovers by Alabama for them to

1436
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:10,759
Speaker 1: lose for Oklahoma to win. They have a good defense,

1437
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 1: but man, that offense is futrid. I watched every I

1438
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,680
Speaker 1: had it on my multi box at Missouri Oklahoma game

1439
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 1: because obviously I wanted to just get Oklahoma out of

1440
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 1: the way. I can't believe they're ranked ahead, if the

1441
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 1: teams are ranked ahead of at all, I just don't

1442
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 1: get it. So LSU do something, you know, take let's

1443
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 1: put Oklahoma out out of its misery, because that's a

1444
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:35,400
Speaker 1: team that's going nowhere in the playoff anyway. Sorry to

1445
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 1: my Sooner fans, but not this team. It is just it.

1446
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 1: I don't see it. I don't get it. I don't

1447
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 1: see it. I'm going to stop chirping about BYU. All

1448
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 1: they do is show up and win football games. This

1449
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:51,559
Speaker 1: they went on the road and did it again. You know,

1450
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:55,719
Speaker 1: I think they're in and I think the Big twelve.

1451
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 1: I think if they lose to Texas Tech a second time,

1452
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 1: they probably won't get invited losing to the same team twice.

1453
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 1: But if BYU wins and and lose it and Texas

1454
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 1: Tech loses, I think you have a case of two

1455
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 1: teams from the Big twelve going and only one from

1456
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 1: the ACC. So I am I am not going to

1457
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 1: sit here and be upset. If at eleven and two

1458
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 1: bo Yu gets in over at ten into Miami, just

1459
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 1: like an eleven and two SMU got in over at

1460
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 1: ten into Miami, I think that is fair. Utah should

1461
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:25,679
Speaker 1: not be ranked ahead of Miami. Sorry, Lauren, I don't

1462
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 1: see it. I don't get it. And you know, if

1463
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:32,800
Speaker 1: there's a chance Vanderbilt, I saw that one of the

1464
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 1: polls Vanderbilts behind Miami and the College Football Playoff poll,

1465
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:40,280
Speaker 1: I think they've now been ranked ahead of Miami on that. Yeah,

1466
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:42,679
Speaker 1: if you just want an SEC Invitational, you would take

1467
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:45,160
Speaker 1: more of these, you know, SEC teams that may or

1468
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 1: may not be probably not as good as Miami. But

1469
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 1: I you know the headquarters of the SECS in Nashville.

1470
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 1: Don't think I'm not nervous about that one. And look,

1471
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:00,559
Speaker 1: if Michigan be to Ohio State, I know, I know

1472
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:03,679
Speaker 1: Miami a ten and two Michigan that beats Ohio State's

1473
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:07,799
Speaker 1: getting in ahead of ahead of a ten and two Miami.

1474
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:12,559
Speaker 1: So a I am not naive on that one. So

1475
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:15,280
Speaker 1: let's just say I have to be a big Ohio

1476
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:19,760
Speaker 1: State fan because we don't need any more ten and

1477
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 1: two teams, nine and three Michigans. No nine and three

1478
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 1: teams getting in without a conference title, not with this

1479
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 1: many ten and two teams floating around. So I don't

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01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 1: think it was the best week for Miami's at large

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01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 1: big chances. I do see that the college football press

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01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 1: is now on Miami side. I think people realize ignoring

1483
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:43,400
Speaker 1: a head to head is a dangerous precedent to set.

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01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 1: I think the ACC it's pretty pretty fair that this

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01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 1: specific committee, this ESPN run committee has gone out of

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01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 1: their way to screw the ACC three straight years legitimately

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01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 1: so but really badly with the Florida State year, and

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01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:05,439
Speaker 1: they're setting this one up here. But ultimately I think

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01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 1: this they are. My guess is they are hoping against

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01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 1: hope that Miami gets into that ACC title game so

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01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:14,400
Speaker 1: that there is no question about it. And if Miami

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01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:16,919
Speaker 1: loses in that title game, they not getting an invite

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01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:19,360
Speaker 1: and they can just chalk it up to a third loss,

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01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 1: and if Miami wins, they're automatically in and maybe we'll

1495
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 1: get to do a rematch with Notre Dame and once

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01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 1: again defeat Notre Dame and make it clear that they

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01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:29,640
Speaker 1: don't belong. By the way, if you want to sit

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01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:31,120
Speaker 1: here and talk about the teams that are ahead of

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01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:35,880
Speaker 1: Miami in this college football rankings, you know there is

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01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 1: a I would argue they have a real problem in

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01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 1: how they've done this with these rankings because you've got

1502
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 1: Alabama ranked out of Miami, and if you compare them

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01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 1: one to one, Miami defeated the team that defeated Alabama.

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01:24:56,840 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 1: For those that were entertaining the idea of Texas being

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01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 1: ahead of Miami, Florida, b Texas Miami be Florida. So

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01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:05,640
Speaker 1: that's a tough one to overcome on that one. And

1507
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:07,720
Speaker 1: of course, the head to head with Notre Dame. So

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01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:12,599
Speaker 1: never mind that Ole miss struggled with a Florida team

1509
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:15,040
Speaker 1: that we beat the crap out of Does that matter? Right?

1510
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:17,320
Speaker 1: And now they're they're a one loss team, right they

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01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 1: I think they probably survive a loss to the Mississippi State,

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01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 1: But I do think this Lane Kiff and drama. You know,

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01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 1: doesn't don't we don't isn't this all like? Isn't the

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01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 1: correct narrative going to be? Lane Kiff and Lee's old

1515
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:39,800
Speaker 1: miss costs them, you know, teams distracted, they lose the

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01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 1: egg Bowl and he goes to LSU. Is that the

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01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 1: Is that the turn of events that we see this weekend?

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01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 1: If that is, does Ole Miss not even get an

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01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 1: invite to the playoff? If that's what happens anyway, I

1520
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:55,880
Speaker 1: just have a feeling we're we're heading for some chaos.

1521
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:59,559
Speaker 1: But bottom line, not a great I thought Miami played

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01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:02,200
Speaker 1: well on thee I wish we had more points to

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01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 1: show for it, but they played really well on the field.

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01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:06,960
Speaker 1: I think reminding people that they are one of the

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01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:09,360
Speaker 1: ten best teams in the country, and you want to

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01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 1: it's not a complete playoff bracket if you're not including

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01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:15,439
Speaker 1: Miami this year. If you're not gonna include the best

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01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 1: team in the ACC, you're not. You don't have a

1529
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:23,879
Speaker 1: complete playoff bracket. But hey, on this one, I'm quite biased,

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01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 1: all right with that. I'm going to take a break

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Speaker 1: for forty eight hours, but I will see you on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.