1 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: Loka to A Radio is a radiophonic novella. 2 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 2: Which is just a very extra way of saying a podcast. 3 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 1: I'm diosa m. 4 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 2: And I am Mala Munjos. 5 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: Lokatra Radio is yr Brima's favorite podcast, hosted by us 6 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: Mala and Viosa. 7 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: We're two ig friends turned podcast partners, breaking down pop culture, feminism, 8 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: sexual wellness, and offering fresh takes on trending topics through 9 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 2: nuanced interviews with up and coming LATINX creatives. 10 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: Known as Las Lokatas, Las Mammis of Myth and Bullshit 11 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: and Las bocas Prosas. We were podcasting independently since twenty sixteen, 12 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: but joined iHeartMedia's Microtura network in twenty twenty two. 13 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 2: This year, we're continuing to share stories from the LATINX community. 14 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 2: Barto el Mundo. 15 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to season eight. Are you listening? O Lao la 16 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: Loka Motives. Welcome to season eight of Loka Tora Radio. 17 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: I'm Diosa and I Am Mala. You're tuning in to 18 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: Capitolosis one sixty six. 19 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 2: Over the years, we have created segments and series to 20 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 2: diversify the type of episodes that we produce over here. 21 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 2: At Loca Tora Radio. 22 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: Like latinas and politics, loc epistemologies, goddess sours show, fem defense, 23 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. 24 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 2: This season, we're bringing you a brand new series called Me, 25 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: My Mental Health and I. 26 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: So far we've interviewed actress and mental health advocate Danny 27 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: Fernandez and licensed therapist Adriana Alejandre. 28 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 2: This is our third episode of this mini series, and 29 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: we're talking about our favorite girl, the sad Girl. 30 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: We are lifelong sad girls. We have a lot of feelings. 31 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: We feel a lot, we think a lot, we obviously 32 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: talk a lot. 33 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: I've been a sad girl on aim, on MySpace, on Tumblr, 34 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: on Twitter, especially. 35 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 1: Oh the Tumblr sad girl was like my truest form. 36 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:20,399 Speaker 1: But there's also something about Twitter pre elon that lent 37 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: itself to sad girl convos. 38 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 2: Oh, and we're not alone in that. I've seen so 39 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 2: many tweets about hot girl walks and searching for that 40 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 2: serotonin boost. And as a fellow sad girl, something that 41 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 2: I do is smokeweed, roller skate and take in as 42 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 2: much cinema and comedy as I can, especially if I 43 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 2: can weep beautifully in a dark theater. 44 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: I used to tweet about my sad girl days also, 45 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: and then I started running, and now I'm a sad 46 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: girl that's literally running after endorphins. 47 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 2: And personally, I love a sad girl meme like the 48 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 2: one with the little girls sitting in her car scene 49 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 2: and she has glitter smeared all over her face but 50 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 2: she just looks like inspired but tragic. 51 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: That one is so so good. I think one of 52 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: my favorites is that meme of that little penguin that's 53 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: aggressively putting glitter on a card. Like I always feel 54 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: that way when I have to do like really anything 55 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: self care related, like the real shit, right, not like 56 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: the face mask, not like the runs, but like the 57 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: deep shit where you have to talk in therapy. You 58 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: got a journal, and it's like, all right, I guess 59 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: I'll do this for my silly little brain. Why not totally? 60 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 2: And again, it's not just us. A lot of Latinas 61 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 2: are sad girls. I mean, there's just a lot of feeling, 62 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 2: a lot of emotion in our cultures, whether it be 63 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 2: music like Mariacci or Bolero, there's this sad girl element 64 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 2: to all of it. Everyone is just sobbing on the 65 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 2: inside and a lot of Senora jams are also sad 66 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:04,559 Speaker 2: girls soft. I mean, give us anything by Rossillo Durga, 67 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: I mean devastating. 68 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: Yeaha like let me just weep to that, weep to 69 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: that beautifully, as you said, like I will cry a 70 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: good cry to that song. And also I feel like 71 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: delenovelas are so hyperbolic that they're like sad girl adjacent. 72 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,559 Speaker 1: You're going to cry to your favorite delenovela without a doubt. 73 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 2: They're crying on screen, We're crying at home. Everyone is 74 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 2: in tears, and that's how we like it. There's so 75 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: many examples, and being online has led to a lot 76 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 2: of information sharing about self care, mental health, and community care. 77 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: This is obviously incredible, necessary, we love it. We do 78 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 1: it too, But there's also so much misinformation out there. 79 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like one time I saw this tweet where someone 80 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 2: claimed that if you read a lot as a child, 81 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 2: then you were dissociating. 82 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: I mean maybe, but like not everybody, You're right. 83 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 2: Right, I don't think so, and I think most licensed 84 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 2: therapists would agree with us. And that's part of the problem. 85 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 2: So much is shared online and we're grateful for that 86 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 2: that the digital space has provided a public forum for 87 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 2: people to contribute their ideas with the world, but we 88 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 2: also want our listeners who are consumers of content, to 89 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 2: be mindful of the mental health content that they do 90 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 2: consume and make sure that it is healthy. 91 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: So today we're talking to two licensed social workers, Media 92 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: Huadis and Sasha Roblez, creators of Homegirl Gonzerjos. This new 93 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: project aims to create space for homegirls to unpack the 94 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: bullshit and exchange Gonzejos. 95 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 2: Like us, Sasha and Medium have been very online, so 96 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 2: we want to talk to them about sad girl culture 97 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: and the internet. Yes, we have Sasha and Medium here 98 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 2: and studio from Homegrowth Gonzejos can YouTube. Please say hello 99 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 2: to our audience and introduce yourselves. 100 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 3: Hi. 101 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 4: I'm Sasha and I'm Median and we make the halves 102 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 4: of Homegrowl Gonzejos. We're both licensed clinical social workers that 103 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 4: created Homegrowl Gonzejos out of just our experiences as homegirls 104 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 4: and just kind of wanting to build community within the 105 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 4: Latino kind of space. 106 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think something that means a lot to 107 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 3: us is that we were both really raised. 108 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 5: By women in our family, and you know, I think. 109 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 3: Part of the Gonejos is that we've always received just 110 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 3: a lot of advice from the women, and I think 111 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 3: that's something that. 112 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 5: We both respect a lot. 113 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 3: So we really wanted to create a space where it's 114 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 3: not so clinical, it doesn't feel like a therapy room. 115 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 3: We do recognize that sometimes therapy is not always accessible 116 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 3: as we want it to be. You know, we talk 117 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 3: about how mental health is important, but we really wanted 118 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 3: to create something that we can bring to the community 119 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 3: and it's not as scary given that mental health is 120 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 3: a very taboo subject within our communities. 121 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: I love that, and I just want to get right 122 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: into it because I love one of your taglines, Barracciona's 123 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: chinonas and everything in between. And you're talking about bringing 124 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: your work into the community, and I know that y'all 125 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: have been doing pop ups and doing workshops with Belladonna 126 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: our friends over there, and so I just want to 127 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: ask you about like bringing that into the community and 128 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: what that's been like for you. 129 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 4: I feel like it's been very like validating in with 130 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 4: kind of creating this because obviously it came from like 131 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 4: the inception of an idea of like we want to 132 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 4: build something, Like Midian said, like that is very kind 133 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 4: of you know, focused on feeling accessible. So then when 134 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 4: we were approached by La La to kind of do 135 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 4: these workshops and like having people actually come out, we 136 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 4: saw like there is that need right especially within like 137 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 4: women and is right where there is kind of like 138 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 4: this feeling of wanting to know mental health and not 139 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 4: knowing where to start and having it be less scary 140 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 4: in that environment of it being an open space and 141 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 4: open dialogue. 142 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 143 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 3: And I think we met La La when we were 144 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 3: back in grad school and we kind of kept in 145 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 3: touch a little bit, and I remember when she had 146 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 3: well she's had her space, right, but she kind of 147 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 3: shared that she wanted to kind of open it up 148 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 3: to the community. And the thing about Pa and La 149 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 3: is that like it's really about like homegirls putting on 150 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 3: homegirls that I think homegrowk and Saleles like really stands 151 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 3: behind too. 152 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 5: Because when Sasha and I met. 153 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 3: In grad school, like we met and for a whole 154 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 3: year we did not really talk, Like we literally sat 155 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 3: right in front of each other and like we just 156 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 3: looked at each other whenever we had to roll our 157 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 3: eyes at someone. But it was like we knew right, 158 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 3: And so after we vetted each. 159 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 5: Other for a year. 160 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 3: Like that's really when we started connecting, and I think 161 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 3: that solidified our friendship because like we were about the 162 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 3: same thing and I think both going to USC like 163 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 3: you either get that or you don't. 164 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 5: In your classes. 165 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 3: You know, like you really have to find your community. 166 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 3: So when we started working with Laala, I think that 167 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 3: really helped us like find just other girls and women 168 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 3: who wanted to do the work on themselves and like 169 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 3: build with community, which I think it's been really helpful. 170 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 2: Now we found you guys online on Instagram. That's I 171 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 2: think where we stumbled across Homegirl Concijans. Do you find 172 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 2: that a lot of sad girls are very very very 173 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 2: much online in your experience, totally. 174 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. 175 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 3: Think we were like talking a little bit about that 176 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 3: and how like it's it's like a double edged sword 177 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 3: because I think the online community and the internet is 178 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 3: definitely a place where sad girls go to find community, 179 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 3: find validation sometimes that we don't always get outside. 180 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 5: But then at the same. 181 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 3: Time, it could be where we like over identify with 182 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 3: a lot of stuff that's online, which could be good 183 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 3: and bad. Right, I think it's really about what we 184 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 3: do after that, But it's definitely something that is there. 185 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 3: And I think that's why, you know, there's a lot 186 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 3: of girls that kind of can relate to what we're 187 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 3: talking about, you know, because a lot of us have 188 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 3: lived it different experiences, but we've lived it. 189 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: Can you tell me more about this over identifying with 190 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: the sad girl. 191 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like there's so much that kind of 192 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 4: goes into it because I feel like sad girl. It's 193 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 4: like the sad girl aesthetic, the sad girl lifestyle right 194 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 4: where it's like I feel like now because of like 195 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 4: social media, but then also like be more kind of 196 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 4: opening of like mental health and those discussions of mental health. 197 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 4: I feel like a lot of people are learning dialogue 198 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 4: and just kind of like sometimes like applying that to 199 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 4: themselves right where they think, oh, yeah, that's me right, 200 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 4: and so they like overly like identify with it where 201 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 4: they say, hey, yeah, that's how I feel when I 202 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 4: kind of go through things, right, where like that is 203 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 4: that sad girl kind of feeling that I get. So 204 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 4: I feel like sometimes it like media and said, it's 205 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 4: like that double edged sword where sometimes we can kind 206 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 4: of become enveloped in that. 207 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think it's it's not necessarily a 208 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 3: bad thing, because I think having it being part of 209 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 3: your identity is like a way of really like taking 210 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 3: ownership of that, you know. And I think that's something 211 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 3: that like we don't always have that power where you 212 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 3: you know, and something we were talking about is like 213 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 3: being called like lazy or like you know where like 214 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 3: nasus now that you know, like I remember summer breaks 215 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 3: when I was in school, like and running at three 216 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 3: o'clock cause my mom's getting home from work. 217 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 5: I gotta do. 218 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 3: Something, I show anything to show. 219 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 5: My worth for the day, you know. 220 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 3: And so definitely that validation and identification with a sad girl, 221 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 3: it brings power to you, right because it's not like 222 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 3: something is wrong with you, Like these are my experiences. 223 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 3: But I think where I see that is like now what, right, 224 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 3: Like what do I do with it? Like it's good 225 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 3: to have that community, and I think it's necessary. But 226 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,599 Speaker 3: then it's taking accountability as well. And it's not to 227 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,719 Speaker 3: say that it's all on us, because there's definitely a 228 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 3: lot of factors at play, but then just when do 229 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 3: I take accountability for it to bring to bring a 230 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 3: change for me? 231 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like am I your and I'm just sad? Forever. 232 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 2: Just I'm just you know, I'm mobi or am I 233 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 2: l Woods? After her breakup and I go to Harvard? 234 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 4: Yeah? 235 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 2: Exactly what do I do with my sadness? 236 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 4: Yeah? And I think it's also like the definite, like 237 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 4: what definitions you want to attribute to like sad girl, 238 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 4: because I feel like there's a lot of versions of 239 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 4: the sad girl aesthetic, right, There's like the white. 240 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:36,839 Speaker 5: Versions, a lot of. 241 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 2: Googles, cigarettes, yeah, cigarettes, black coffee, glitter exactly. 242 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 4: But it's like when I think about, like when I 243 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 4: was introduced to sad girl aesthetic, I'm thinking like maybe 244 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 4: the local sad girl, you know. So I'm just like, 245 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 4: what is this other version of sad girl? 246 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: Right? 247 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 4: Because my version of sad girl is a woman who 248 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 4: has had hardships, right, who has had these lived experiences, 249 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 4: and kind of because of those hardships, obviously it shapes 250 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 4: their perspective and shapes kind of like how they walk 251 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 4: within their world. While versus like the Lona del Rey, 252 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 4: like sad girl is more kind of like what you 253 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 4: were sharing, right, So it's like really just defining what 254 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 4: that means for you and having it be okay, is 255 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 4: this an active resistance of me? Acknowledging. Hey, this is 256 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 4: you know, me acknowledging my mental health, me acknowledging right, 257 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 4: like my experience and how that's affecting me. Or is 258 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 4: this like no, I'm just kind of going for the 259 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 4: aesthetic of like I just want to be sad. 260 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: Manic pixie girl. 261 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 4: Yes, exactly, Like what is it like girl interrupted that 262 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 4: type of a thing where it's like it's really kind 263 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 4: of depending on where you kind of want to kind 264 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:42,239 Speaker 4: of put that definition. 265 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 2: I'm wondering, in your experiences and doing workshops and connecting 266 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 2: with other women, why are sad girls so sad? 267 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 3: You know? 268 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 2: Why? 269 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 4: What is making us sad? 270 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 3: I think like one thing that's so important is that, 271 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 3: like it's not new, right, Like when I think of 272 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 3: sad girls, like I also like think back to like 273 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 3: I have a prima who's older than me, who has 274 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 3: always like been known as sad girl, you know, like 275 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 3: that's just been her name, and I just thought it 276 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 3: was something like I never thought twice about it. Right 277 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 3: then you have like that tumbler era of sad girls 278 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 3: that I think is super important to like the Internet 279 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 3: and our formation exactly, you know that, I think it's 280 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 3: definitely a way to kind of like find support and 281 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 3: find community because yeah, a lot of like the conversations 282 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 3: that can happen in our communities are not necessarily like 283 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 3: geared to make us feel like supported or to make 284 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 3: us or to hold space for what our experiences are. Yeah, 285 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 3: because the reality is that maybe our experiences like aren't 286 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 3: as bad as like our parents, right, whatever that means. 287 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 3: But I think it's different. It's like about perspectives, so 288 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 3: we might not always get that support and validation from 289 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 3: like our communities and families the. 290 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 5: Way that we need it. 291 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 3: So I think that is one of the biggest reasons 292 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 3: that I think the Internet has like come in and 293 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 3: like supported us, you know. So even if it's an 294 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 3: over identification, I think there's definitely like a lot of 295 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 3: pros to that as to like finding community and being 296 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 3: able to relate, right, because I think we were sad 297 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 3: girls in part in grad school, and like that's something 298 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 3: that connected us, right, So I don't think that like 299 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 3: you're ever not a sad girl, but there's waves in 300 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 3: you know, life is life. 301 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think most of our grandma's probably display strong 302 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 2: sad girl. They love to be sad, they loved like 303 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 2: my grandma loves to talk about like her deepest trauma, 304 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 2: like over breakfast kind of. 305 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 4: Comes out to fly like drinking coffee. 306 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: Casually because they've never been to therapy, so they just like, yeah, totally. 307 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you because you mentioned this in particular, 308 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: and I wanted to some common myths that we maybe 309 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: have heard in our families have been told to us. 310 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: I know that growing up, like my dad always tell me, like, 311 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: you're too young to be tired, You're too young to 312 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: be sad, and that definitely was not how I was 313 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: feeling at like sixteen fifteen even younger, like no I 314 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: was sad or no, I was tired because your little 315 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: body is experiencing so much, right, But it wasn't allowed 316 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: or appropriate to be sad, to be tired to lay 317 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: in bed. So I wanted to ask both of you, 318 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: you know, like, how can we like bust that myth 319 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: that like you're too young to experience some type of feeling. 320 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like I. We definitely had to deal 321 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 4: with a lot of this with like family members that 322 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 4: we were dealing with with clients where parents just couldn't 323 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 4: understand like they have food, right, they have a house 324 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 4: over their head, like they have a family, like why 325 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 4: are they sad? When it's like there's it goes deeper 326 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 4: than that, right, And I think again it kind of 327 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 4: goes back to that survival thing that met him was sharing, 328 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 4: Like a lot of times our families, our parents are 329 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 4: living in that survival space because they're doing what they 330 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 4: need to do in order to kind of like survive 331 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 4: and thrive right in our society right now with everything 332 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 4: kind of going on. So it's like it's hard sometimes 333 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 4: for them to kind of put those two and two 334 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 4: together that your child or you're like, your your sibling 335 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 4: or whoever that is. They have emotions, they have right, 336 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 4: Like they have feelings, So these things are going to 337 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 4: affect them, right, And I think it's it's really hard 338 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 4: to kind of dispell in like our community sometimes because 339 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 4: like mental health doesn't always is not always accepted as 340 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 4: being real, right, where it's like that's not a real thing, right, 341 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 4: you either get up, you do your thing. That's going 342 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 4: to help you feel better, right, yeah, Levy like clean, right, 343 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 4: Like that makes me feel better. And it's like, well, no, 344 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 4: it goes deeper than that, right. There's literally that chemical 345 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 4: kind of imbalance that can be happening, there's kind of 346 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 4: those societal things that like can be kind of affecting you. 347 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 4: So it's like there are other pressures that can be 348 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 4: happening that are going to kind of trigger someone into 349 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 4: that kind of like sad girl or that sadness. 350 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think, I don't know, I think like 351 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 3: going back to like being in survival mode, I think 352 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 3: I mean coming from like a family from with immigrant parents, right. 353 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 5: I think it's hard. 354 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 3: It's like it's hard to understand them because you're like 355 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 3: you can like feel for them, but at the same time, 356 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 3: you're like it's your experience, right, and you're trying to 357 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 3: understand both. 358 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 5: But I think it's being able to. 359 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 3: Understand that, like a lot of the time, our parents 360 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 3: are literally still trying to survive, you know, and that 361 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily change because they are in a safe home. 362 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 3: It's literally like they are in flight or fight the 363 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 3: entire time, you know. And for parents, or for I 364 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 3: guess older generations, the way that they've coped is literally 365 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 3: like going to work because they had to, right, having 366 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 3: two jobs because they had to. And it's not a 367 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 3: matter of like can I do it, It's it's I 368 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 3: literally have to help my family survive. Right, So it's 369 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 3: this learned way of coping with what you're feeling and 370 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,239 Speaker 3: not having to feel it because you're just having your 371 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 3: attention to what your responsibilities are, right And so from 372 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 3: like a parent's perspective or like older generations, like it's 373 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 3: a privilege to not have to go to work. It's 374 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 3: a privilege to say you're feeling sad, right, But like 375 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 3: is it though, because yeah, like I don't have to 376 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 3: work two jobs. But like to a teenager, to someone 377 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 3: who's young and experiencing that, like their world is literally 378 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 3: crashing because of grades, because of bullying, because a boyfriend girlfriend, right, 379 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,719 Speaker 3: like that is their entire world. So telling them something 380 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 3: like nothing, like what are you stressed about? Like they 381 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 3: don't understand right, just the way parents might not understand kids, right, 382 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 3: and so like to me, I feel like having conversations 383 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 3: is the way that you debunk that, right, like with 384 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 3: parents and not coming from a place of like teaching them, 385 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 3: because I think in working with parents, Sasha and I 386 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 3: have kind of learned that, like you can't just like 387 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 3: teach them, right, Like, I think it's about learning where 388 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 3: they're coming from and like using whatever their experiences are 389 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 3: to put things into perspective. Right. So one thing that 390 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 3: I think like is like a good comparison when like, 391 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 3: especially working with kids that are like about to go 392 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 3: to college, right, Like that first gen struggles that a 393 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 3: lot of the times, like our parents do so much 394 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 3: to support us but don't quite understand like what the 395 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 3: stress is about. And you know, like coming from parents 396 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 3: that might have immigrated at a very young age, like 397 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 3: that is an insane level of stress I can imagine, right, 398 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 3: And so even though going to college might not be 399 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 3: the same stress, it's still embarking on something new, right, 400 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 3: So being able to like support them and understanding based 401 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 3: on their experiences and putting things into perspective. Right. But 402 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 3: I think that's part of why Homegirl Home secos is 403 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 3: like really special to us because it's not just for 404 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 3: like adults, it could be for teenagers, it could be 405 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 3: for moms, right, and like having these conversations in a 406 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 3: way that is like relatable and not like sitting in 407 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 3: an office learning how to like cope, right, It's a 408 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 3: little bit more like we're bringing it to community and 409 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 3: like catering it to a way that we all understand. 410 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we've definitely even had like mother daughters 411 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 4: show up to our workshops and then them kind of 412 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 4: like having that experience together, or even like after the fact, 413 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 4: like having you know, attendees come up to us and 414 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 4: like saying, have you thought about doing this for like. 415 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 3: Moms, Yeah, because they've requested like a mom daughter type 416 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 3: of workshop. 417 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 4: Because I think it hits home because a lot of 418 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 4: the times we are covering these things where it's like recognizing, 419 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 4: like we can be understanding of our parents' struggle right, 420 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 4: understanding of where they're coming from, because, like Median said, 421 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,239 Speaker 4: it is a privilege to learn these things, right, it 422 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 4: is a privilege to learn, you know, emotional maturity, to 423 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 4: have that emotional intelligence. So it's like recognizing that sometimes 424 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 4: like a parent's bandwidth isn't there, Not obviously excusing some 425 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 4: of these behaviors, but recognizing, hey, like what are those 426 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 4: limitations and how can we try to kind of work 427 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 4: with them to like have them try at least to 428 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 4: understand it to some degree for themselves. 429 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like there's something really interesting here. Like parents, 430 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 2: grandparents obviously have had tremendous struggle or not, you know, 431 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 2: depending on your family and where you're coming from and 432 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 2: your history. But there's something like about you know, back 433 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 2: in our like our my mom went to USC and 434 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 2: she did all her papers on a typewriter, Like they 435 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 2: were literally using typewriters at USC right when my mom 436 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 2: was in school. And I feel like back in the day, 437 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 2: you're not connected to the internet and you're not seeing 438 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 2: every horrible thing that has ever happened like in the world, 439 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 2: you know, all at once. So maybe there was this 440 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 2: perspective where back in the day, your problems were the world, 441 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 2: and those were all the problems. Is what's happening right here, 442 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 2: you know? And then like us, we're so inundated with 443 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 2: every tastrophe and massacre and horrible thing. And I think 444 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 2: we also are in an era where we each feel 445 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 2: a sense of responsibility to act and to help with 446 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 2: those things. So it's like we're not just coping with 447 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,640 Speaker 2: our own realities and what we see and live with. 448 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 2: It's like it's like so much in our minds because 449 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 2: of what we take in, it seems so much bigger. 450 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe that's why we're so sad. 451 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 4: No, that makes a lot of snuff, because yeah, we 452 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 4: are literally in an age where social media is our 453 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 4: form of like information, right, we like think TikTok. You 454 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 4: are gaining like information in such a like short span 455 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,479 Speaker 4: of time, like a sixty second video, and it's like 456 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 4: all these bad news in sixty seconds, right where it's 457 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 4: like and you're just swiping and swiping and swiping. That's 458 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 4: kind of like what your feet is. So it's like, yeah, 459 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 4: you there's almost like this existential like dread that can 460 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 4: kind of be coming over you because you're like, look 461 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 4: at everything that's kind of happening. The world is on fire. Right, 462 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,959 Speaker 4: So it's like all of those factors kind of like 463 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 4: amounted onto one person on top of my day to day, right, 464 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 4: like what are my struggles day to day? And I 465 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 4: think also to adding the layers of like the like 466 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 4: oppressive kind of systems that are also affecting these people, right, 467 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 4: So thinking about the communities that we work in, right, 468 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 4: obviously the predominant Latino a lot of it, A lot 469 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 4: of them like first gen or just like immigrated over here. 470 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 4: So it's like there's so many kind of like compounding 471 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 4: factors that's like of course these kids are going to 472 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 4: feel this way, or of course we're going to be 473 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 4: feeling this way, there's so much kind of happening at once. 474 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: I want to ask you both about TikTok specifically, like 475 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 1: not trying to be an old head, I show my aim. 476 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: I have a TikTok account, I watch tiktoks like the 477 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,479 Speaker 1: rest of us I do. I'm also, though, like super 478 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: cautious and mindful of the mental health information that's shared 479 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: on there. Specifically, I've seen like terms used that don't apply. 480 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: I'm not a therapist either, right, but I'm a therapy user, 481 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: and I'm sometimes questioning like is that accurate? Should you 482 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: be using that? Should we be calling everything gaslighting? Should 483 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:13,959 Speaker 1: you be calling everything trauma trauma, trauma, dumping? Like all 484 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: those different therapy words, right, And I don't know if 485 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: they're always used correctly by the right people. So I'm curious, like, 486 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: in y'all as professionals, how you navigate that, How you 487 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: navigate maybe clients bringing you like a TikTok diagnosis or something, right, Like, 488 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 1: how are you navigating all of that? 489 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 4: Yeah? I think it's like I love TikTok because like 490 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 4: there's great information, but then there's not the best information 491 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 4: because I feel like the same thing I'm on TikTok, 492 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 4: Like I'm on the mental health side of TikTok, and 493 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 4: how there's just so many people who are assigning this 494 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 4: like mental health expert to themselves without actually having that 495 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 4: like educational background right where it's like, yeah, lived experience 496 00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 4: is important, but you also aren't kind of like equipped 497 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 4: to be sharing these things. And that's when like there's 498 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 4: a lot of misinformation. But I think also too, because 499 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 4: mental health is such a prevalent topic right now, everyone 500 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 4: is learning the language, right. I hear gaslight all the time, right, 501 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 4: trauma dumping, trauma bonding, right, So it's like all these 502 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 4: words are getting tossed around when it's like, wait, we're 503 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 4: like misusing it, right, And I think again, it's kind 504 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,400 Speaker 4: of like that overidentification that's happening. Also, Like I'm glad 505 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 4: to hear people are having mental health conversations but also 506 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 4: being mindful of like the definitions and like the words 507 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 4: that we're using, because yeah, sometimes I'm hearing things and 508 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 4: I'm like, that's not what that means, or like the 509 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 4: whole kind of thing with like boundaries right where it's 510 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 4: like that's not a boundary, right, Like that's a demand, right, 511 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 4: So like understanding these things and thinking about like how 512 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 4: sometimes mental health language can be kind of like weaponized 513 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 4: in some ways where it's like that's not what its 514 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 4: purpose is for. But it's that's kind of where it's 515 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 4: starting to kind of like snowball into which I'm recognizing 516 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 4: where it's like, oh, now we're kind of giving this 517 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 4: language to people where it's like now they're misusing it 518 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 4: or kind of using it and not in a way 519 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 4: that it's intended. 520 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: It's almost and I hate to say this, but it's 521 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: almost like too accessible, you know, because the access to 522 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: therapy still isn't there, but the language is what's too accessible. 523 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 3: I think that's the issue, right, because I feel like 524 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 3: if the accessibility was there, then like you could have 525 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 3: these conversations after with your therapist, right. And I was 526 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 3: kind of late to TikTok, Like I was very resistant 527 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 3: and then I joined. But I think surprisingly I'm not 528 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 3: on mental health TikTok and maybe it was because I 529 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 3: was late and I just having gotten there. But like 530 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 3: everyone has ADHD at this point, yeah, you know, like 531 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,479 Speaker 3: we have all self diagnosed with ADHD, and I and 532 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 3: even in my own sessions, like I have so many 533 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 3: clients that are like I think I have ADHD, right, 534 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 3: and then it's like, okay, tell me why. But the 535 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 3: reality is that so many diagnoses like overlap, you know, 536 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 3: and one thing or like symptoms can like across the 537 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 3: board seem similar, right, but the root of it is 538 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 3: specific to you and your experiences, and I think, like 539 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 3: you wouldn't be able to do that work outside of therapy, 540 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 3: you know, which. I think it's great to have these 541 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 3: conversations and bring awareness, but then like, now what you know? 542 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 2: It reminds me of this term that has been so 543 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 2: huge in POC communities online, and this is now it's 544 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 2: escaping me when you're imposter syndrome. 545 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody had imposter syndrome. 546 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 5: Everyone. 547 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 2: Everyone who's ever gone to college or any type of 548 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 2: higher ed has felt like an impostor, I guess. And 549 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 2: but what's fascinating is that it's tied with this word syndrome, 550 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 2: and like a syndrome is a thing, but you have 551 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 2: to be diagnosed with a syndrome. 552 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 5: I don't. 553 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 2: And is imposter syndrome an actual syndrome or is it 554 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 2: just a thing that we say, you know what I mean, 555 00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 2: it is, but we. 556 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 3: Don't like die ignoes that you know, within like the 557 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 3: DSM within our practice, right. And it's funny because we 558 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 3: actually had a workshop with that, and part of that 559 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 3: workshop is like, why is it not okay to just 560 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 3: self label as having imposter syndrome? 561 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 2: Right? 562 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 5: Because that's that's too easy. 563 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 3: It takes so much responsibility away from what's happening in 564 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 3: the world and around you. 565 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 5: And it's not just on the person. 566 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, not everyone has it exactly. It's like 567 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 4: taking away that like, oh, this is an individual problem, 568 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 4: and I think that's like what we talked on. It's 569 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 4: like it's also looking at like the societal kind of 570 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 4: like constructs that are like creating that feeling. Right. So 571 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 4: this is like the imposter syndrome is a lot of 572 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 4: the times, like in these big transitions of like going 573 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 4: to higher ed right, going to college, landing that job 574 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 4: right where it's like a lot of the times these 575 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 4: are spaces that maybe as POC individuals like are entering. 576 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 4: It's like that's not you know, historically a space that 577 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 4: they are kind of supposed to be in or we're 578 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 4: allowed to be in, right, So it's like that's kind 579 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 4: of where that it's like a construct that is created, 580 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 4: but it's like forced to have it be Oh, but 581 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 4: that's you, Like that's how you're feeling. 582 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 2: It's like, no, no, no, no, I don't have a syndrome. 583 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 2: I'm just noticing. 584 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 5: Yeah I'm nervous. 585 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, because I'm the only woman in here exactly 586 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 2: or whatever. 587 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 3: Or there's racism in the office, or there's microaggressions, right, 588 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 3: Like that's totally different than like I have imposter syndrome. 589 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: Absolutely. I remember when I was either applying to grad 590 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: school or I was already in grad school and I 591 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: had a session with my therapist and I raised that 592 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: concern to her. I said something like, I don't know 593 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: if I'm feeling imposter syndrome. 594 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 2: Or X y Z. 595 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: And she goes, maybe you're just nervous, Like why does 596 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: it have to be imposter syndrome? And I was like, 597 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: you're right. And that's like we and she and Mala 598 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: and I have started having this conversation amongst ourselves for 599 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: several years now, like is it imposter syndrome or is 600 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: it just that we're the first ones in the room 601 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: that's the that's the problem. It's not us. We didn't 602 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: do anything. Again, going back to what you said, Sasha, 603 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: it's the systems in place that have created the structure 604 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: where you're maybe you're the first or the only one exactly. 605 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,239 Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's I think that's kind of like think 606 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 4: movie Shaid, Like that's the form of gaslighting. 607 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: Right. 608 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 4: We're like we're entering these spaces and it's like made 609 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 4: to make me feel like I'm the one when it's 610 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 4: like no, like this is just everything around me. That's 611 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 4: kind of creating me to feel this way an imposter 612 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 4: foster exactly. 613 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: So, I mean, but keeping up with that conversation of 614 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: like over identifying and maybe self diagnosing, Like, what advice 615 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: would you give to listeners that want to follow mental 616 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: health content and want to keep up with it? How 617 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: do can they stay like mentally healthy while also like 618 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: viewing all of this content. 619 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's also like recognizing like what type 620 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 4: of content you're taking in, right, because I think there's 621 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 4: like the mental health content where it's like you're gaining 622 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 4: it from kind of like life professionals, right, who are 623 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 4: taught to kind of know how to like you know, 624 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 4: diagnose these things, versus going with a person who is 625 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 4: just kind of going off of like their own lived 626 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 4: experience right, there's like differences not to say that like 627 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 4: the lived experience, like I said, isn't important, but more 628 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 4: so like recognizing that like we want to get information 629 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 4: that's coming from a source that we know kind of 630 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 4: is it's valid or backed, right, So but also limiting 631 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 4: kind of like that maybe sometimes that's sad girl content, right, 632 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 4: because one thing that always kind of pops into my 633 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 4: mind is like nowadays seeing a lot of people posting 634 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 4: themselves like crying, right, or posting yeah, or posting these 635 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 4: videos of like it's just like just overall sadness, right, 636 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 4: And it's like if you were allowing the algorithm to 637 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 4: like feed that to you, it's going to impact, right, 638 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 4: like how you're feeling because now you're thinking, oh my god, 639 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 4: everyone else is sad and I'm sad too, right. So 640 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 4: I think it's like trying to find that balance within 641 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 4: yourself of like, Okay, I want to kind of continue 642 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 4: to gain this mental health like understanding but recognizing what 643 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 4: kind of sources I'm going to, but then also like 644 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 4: balancing that with like community of like what communities kind 645 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 4: of tap into that are empowering and encouraging. 646 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 5: Me to like recognize my mental health. 647 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,479 Speaker 4: But also like do the work to kind of like 648 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 4: get myself to a place where I feel good and happy. 649 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I kind of think too, it's like the 650 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 3: way that we wouldn't like Google like medical issues WebMD, 651 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 3: Like you don't want to do that for like mental 652 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 3: health stuff too, rite And I think it goes the 653 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 3: same as like doing an ig search or TikTok. Right, 654 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 3: I think that is equivalent to what Google searching is. 655 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 3: And although like you can have good information, like it's 656 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 3: not not that it's not accurate, but it's not catered 657 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 3: to you, you know, so even though like yeah, finding 658 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 3: a professional online might be better than not the information 659 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 3: that like even we put out with homegrowk and salhes, like, 660 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:01,239 Speaker 3: it's not it's not necessarily everyone's experience, you know, like 661 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 3: our workshops, even though we are there having conversations with them, 662 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,479 Speaker 3: it's not everyone's experiences. And so I think just being 663 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 3: careful about that because even when we meet with girls 664 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 3: at our workshops, like we're pretty clear and saying like 665 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 3: this isn't therapy, right, and if you do feel like 666 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 3: you need for their support, like meet up with us after, right, 667 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 3: And I know that it's it's difficult because like we 668 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 3: talk about how mental health is important, but the reality 669 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,439 Speaker 3: it's that it's not as accessible as. 670 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 5: It needs to be. 671 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 3: So I think just also finding different ways, like she said, 672 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 3: to connect with community, whether that is with a counselor right, 673 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 3: even though like services might not always be available, like 674 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 3: long term finding centers that can offer like either short 675 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 3: term support or groups. Right, Like, that's a really good 676 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 3: way to kind of have support in a way that 677 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 3: like is feels legitimate and you feel like you're actually 678 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 3: in a group where you're being validated and supported too. 679 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: I love that. Tell me more about the workshops that 680 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,280 Speaker 1: y'all have hosted and ho to host in the future. 681 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 3: So a lot of the workshops that we've done are 682 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 3: what we feel like are the basic mental health one 683 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 3: O one, you know, like little starter kit through like 684 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 3: for people who are interested in learning more about mental health, 685 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 3: who maybe want to like embark on a journey of 686 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 3: like self healing working on themselves, or maybe are already 687 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,720 Speaker 3: there and they just want to continue to do that work. 688 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 3: So the first series of workshops that we had were 689 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 3: last year, we did like a mental health one on one, 690 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 3: and then our second one was like a self love 691 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 3: which was like more so looking at within. And then 692 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 3: the third one was healthy relationships. So like in a 693 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,879 Speaker 3: way that to us was like the basic starter kit, 694 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 3: right because the foundation. Yeah, and I think we really 695 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 3: love that because I felt like, you know, everyone can 696 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 3: relate to that, whatever your experiences are, wherever you're at 697 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 3: in your healing journey, it's very relatable and I think 698 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 3: it's a good place to start. And then our second 699 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 3: round of workshops really kind of were about like leveling 700 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 3: up and like how do you kind of move forward 701 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 3: if you are already doing this work. 702 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 5: So I don't know if Social wants to add a little. 703 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 4: Bit more about that, Yeah, so we did. We actually 704 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 4: did a whole workshop on imposter syndrome and like learning 705 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 4: how to kind of combat that and like that internalize 706 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 4: like oh, this is like the meat problem like that 707 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 4: we talked about, and then kind of like really trying 708 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 4: to kind of build on those foundation pieces of like, Okay, 709 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 4: now that I'm kind of at this place where I'm 710 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 4: ready to heal, like what are those skills that I 711 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,439 Speaker 4: can implement within myself or around me or tapping into 712 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,360 Speaker 4: community to help me kind of continue like the growth. 713 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 4: So I think for us, like we are wanting these 714 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 4: workshops to obviously be as accessible to like community members, 715 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 4: but also utilizing language that doesn't feel too kind of 716 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 4: like jarring right, Like Mediaan said, we want we don't 717 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 4: want to be clinical. We want to use words that 718 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 4: feel like more like understanding, like where people can kind 719 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,440 Speaker 4: of create those connections and then from their move on 720 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 4: to like hey, maybe I am I am needing to 721 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 4: go into individual therapy or maybe hey, group therapy is 722 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 4: where I need to be at right now. So I 723 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,280 Speaker 4: think we definitely are wanting to expand it to be warm. 724 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 4: I know we've had talks about wanting to do school 725 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 4: kind of workshops to kind of like let it kind 726 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,799 Speaker 4: of come out to like high schools, middle schools, because 727 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 4: I feel like there is a really big need in 728 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,399 Speaker 4: like teaching like the younger generation on like mental health. 729 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 4: They're already kind of doing an amazing job and like 730 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 4: understanding it, but kind of really giving them the like 731 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 4: knowledge and the language so they can kind of like 732 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 4: do that work themselves or begin to start to try 733 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 4: to do. 734 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 2: That work beautiful, And where can our listeners keep up 735 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 2: with you and follow you and maybe catch a future workshop. 736 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,279 Speaker 3: So we're on Instagram right now Homegirl con Tejos and 737 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 3: we are hoping to continue more virtual workshops because we 738 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 3: do get just girls around that are not necessarily from 739 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 3: California that are interested in just having these conversations. 740 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 5: And one of the. 741 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,319 Speaker 3: Workshops that we did was like a virtual one and 742 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 3: it was intended to be like a one hour We're 743 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 3: like check in coping skills, how are we doing? 744 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 5: And that turned out to be like an over two 745 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 5: hour thing. 746 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 3: So we do envision like Homegirls to also be like 747 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,319 Speaker 3: a way of having like a support system and a network. Ideally, 748 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 3: we want to kind of create like an accountability community 749 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 3: where everyone's doing their own stuff, right, and maybe you 750 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 3: don't necessarily need therapy right now, or maybe you are 751 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 3: doing your own therapy, but this is just another like 752 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 3: way where you can find people that are interested in 753 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,359 Speaker 3: supporting each other from afar and just like celebrating your 754 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 3: wins as well. So yeah, we are on Instagram for now, 755 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,400 Speaker 3: and I think that is where we're primarily really like 756 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 3: creating this community. And I think it's great because whenever 757 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 3: we like post just how are people doing? 758 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 5: Check ins? Right, I think it's like the dms are. 759 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 3: Flooding, because like the are not okay, yeahs are sadding. 760 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 2: For babies. 761 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 4: Sometimes it's like checking in, how's everybody doing? And then 762 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 4: it's like twenty like girl and going through it. I'm like, oh, girl, 763 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:02,359 Speaker 4: me too. 764 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. A lot of reality is that, Like we are 765 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,919 Speaker 3: definitely going through it a lot of the time, right, 766 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,840 Speaker 3: so we're still trying to figure out how to like 767 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 3: continue having momentum with homegrowl on ce Hols. But yeah, 768 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 3: whenever we do like kind of check back in, everyone's 769 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 3: like a girl. So I think Homegrow on HOS is 770 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 3: kind of like support for us too. 771 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 5: You know, it's like a parallel process. 772 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 3: It is a lot of the workshops we do, we're 773 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 3: like I should be doing this. 774 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 4: Like should I be sitting in the crowd or should 775 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:33,280 Speaker 4: I be presented? 776 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:34,800 Speaker 5: For sure? 777 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 1: I love that's been like our experience dum being. 778 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's very real. I mean, you know, 779 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:44,840 Speaker 2: therapists and service providers across the board are human beings. 780 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 2: And I also think that probably makes you guys even 781 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 2: better at what you do, is like your ability to 782 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 2: acknowledge like we go through things too, you know, like 783 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 2: there's that human element there, which I think is important 784 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 2: for listeners to hear too, you know, like you guys 785 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,839 Speaker 2: are like not like the therapists that you see in 786 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 2: like tweet jackets and a monocle, you know. 787 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,400 Speaker 3: And I am not afraid to admit that, Like, and 788 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 3: I always tell people, you know, like I have been 789 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,280 Speaker 3: in therapy for like three years now, and I'm. 790 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 4: Like, I just started therapy again today just hearing this. 791 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 5: Please don't ever break up with me. It is a 792 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:25,840 Speaker 5: parallel process, you know. 793 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 3: And I think like just the way that like people 794 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 3: learn from some of the conversations we have, I think 795 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,800 Speaker 3: we're continuing to learn from our community and that makes 796 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 3: us better at our job too, you know, just because 797 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,400 Speaker 3: I think in therapy, even though like it shouldn't be 798 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 3: this way, Like I think there's always this like power 799 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,920 Speaker 3: dynamic in the room that like if a therapist is 800 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,239 Speaker 3: not conscious of it or like intentionally trying to like 801 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,880 Speaker 3: dismantle that, it's going to be there, you know. 802 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:54,480 Speaker 5: And I think that's what I really love. 803 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,520 Speaker 3: About like our workshops is that like it's very much 804 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,400 Speaker 3: discussion based. Like at first we had our first workshop, 805 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,719 Speaker 3: like the chairs were like facing us, and like we 806 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 3: hated that, like we're like, no, this is not gonna. 807 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:05,799 Speaker 5: Work, you know. 808 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,840 Speaker 3: It was it felt like people were just like in 809 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 3: a lecture. And so after that we started kind of 810 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,759 Speaker 3: like facing the chairs in like doing more like group groups, right, 811 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 3: and that like it was crazy what that did to 812 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 3: the like dynamic in the room, you know. So just 813 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,319 Speaker 3: little things like that that I think like it just 814 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 3: allows for better conversations and for people to open up 815 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 3: more exactly. 816 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 1: I love that. Well, thank you so much, Homegrown, Sasha 817 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,240 Speaker 1: and Median for joining us. You're always welcome at Loca Radio. 818 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:34,719 Speaker 1: We've loved having you. 819 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 2: Thank you, and this has been another episode. Thank you 820 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 2: for tuning in. Lok Radio. 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