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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio, and.

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Speaker 2: We are back with Isaac Wishaup, founder of Illuminati Watcher

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Speaker 2: dot com, host of the Occult Symbolism and pop culture podcast,

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Speaker 2: author of The Dark Path, Aliens UFOs and The Occult

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Speaker 2: Kubrick's Code, the Star Wars Conspiracy. We were talking about

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Speaker 2: pop culture as mass ritual events. So let's talk about

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Speaker 2: the Grammys. For example, I'm as a casual observer of

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Speaker 2: the Grammys, I've noticed, not fully understanding what's going on

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Speaker 2: on the surface, would seemed like some pretty bizarre, cryptic

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Speaker 2: on stage performances. And we'll also talk about the halftime

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Speaker 2: show at the Super Bowl where we see the same thing.

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Speaker 2: Let's dial it back to the this year's Grammy Grammys.

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Speaker 2: What did you What did you see that kind of

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Speaker 2: stood out as as you know, in terms of occult symbolism.

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Speaker 3: So at the latest Grammys, it was actually the sixty

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Speaker 3: six Grammys. But what the reason we bring out is

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Speaker 3: because when you study synchro mysticism and how, you know,

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Speaker 3: how all these secret societies sort of view the world

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Speaker 3: through numerology and things like this, the numbers and the

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Speaker 3: dates of rituals kind of it matters to them. So

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Speaker 3: the sixty six Grammys is interesting because of in Kabbalah,

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Speaker 3: there's sixty six fallen angels on what they call the

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Speaker 3: dark side of the Tree of Life. And it's again

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Speaker 3: this idea of a sort of we talked about earlier

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Speaker 3: about how we suppress the shadow or the darkness, and

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Speaker 3: a lot of occultists are all about trying to sort

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Speaker 3: of embrace the darkness. So it's just kind of a

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Speaker 3: play on that we could start out with. But the

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Speaker 3: first performance was dual lipa, and when you watch a performance,

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Speaker 3: when you know what to look for, you can see

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Speaker 3: these things that she was in a red and black

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Speaker 3: cube and then she was on top of what was

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Speaker 3: a flattened hexagram, like a six sided a hexagram, but

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Speaker 3: a hextagram is actually a flattened three dimensional cube if

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Speaker 3: you look at it correctly. So when we see the

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Speaker 3: symbolism of Saturn show up, they're you know, threefold there

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Speaker 3: with the colors and the two cubes. That tells me

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Speaker 3: this is a little bit more of that sort of

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Speaker 3: embracing the adversary or the antinomianism thing. Because this goes

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Speaker 3: back to you know, I don't want to go too

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Speaker 3: deep on it, but this goes back to the ideas

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Speaker 3: of the creation of the universe and the occult concepts,

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Speaker 3: which was like they looked at the world as the

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Speaker 3: Sun versus Saturn in a way, and Saturn at the

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Speaker 3: time was the furthest planet they could see, so it

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Speaker 3: was considered sort of like the darkness, the outcast, the

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Speaker 3: adversary planet. So they utilize a lot of symbolism of Saturn.

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Speaker 3: There's a variety of explanations for it. You know, oftentimes

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Speaker 3: you'll see the black cube. But there's there's a whole

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Speaker 3: fraternal organizations of ritual magic, you know, like the Brotherhood

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Speaker 3: of Saturn, and they incorporate a lot of free Masonic

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Speaker 3: ideas and things like that, but the whole idea of

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Speaker 3: the Brotherhood of Saturn is the same, the same concept

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Speaker 3: of you know, you need darkness. They say that darkness

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Speaker 3: precedes light to provide a matrix for the manifestation of

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Speaker 3: light in the Brotherhood of Saturn. And that's kind of why,

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Speaker 3: you know, am I saying Dua Lipa is practicing ritual

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Speaker 3: magic now? But I am saying that a lot of

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Speaker 3: people that put together these sets. They are aware of

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Speaker 3: how they can charge up symbols and sigils by getting

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Speaker 3: all of these people to watch this event. And and

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Speaker 3: you know, Carl Young did some studies on this stuff,

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Speaker 3: and there's he he had this view that the the mind,

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Speaker 3: there's three parts of the mind, the conscious, the personal unconscious,

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Speaker 3: and the collective unconscious. And he believed that the group mind,

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Speaker 3: this collective unconscious that we all share, there's certain archetypes

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Speaker 3: and symbols that we all connect with, whether we know

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Speaker 3: it or not. So these rituals that they conduct, they

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Speaker 3: actually do something on a subconscious level on the mass.

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Speaker 3: And so we're all focusing on this concept of Saturn,

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Speaker 3: which in the occult it represents chaos and things like this.

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Speaker 3: So and again we're talking about ritual magic. They do

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Speaker 3: this because they want to charge up the sigil of Saturn.

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Speaker 3: They want to charge up chaos. So the to what ends?

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Speaker 2: To what end?

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Speaker 3: It's always about it's always about having a global A

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Speaker 3: global government is where that's where it all ends. It's

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Speaker 3: it's this establishment of a universal regime, the empire over

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Speaker 3: the whole world. Manley pee Hall talked about this, and

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Speaker 3: he's said, you read some of his lectures, he says that,

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Speaker 3: we man the p hall, we meaning the elites, the occultists,

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Speaker 3: the illuminati, whoever you want to say that they should

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Speaker 3: govern us like we're the sheep, right like in free

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Speaker 3: Masonry they have the apron with the sheep's wool, because

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Speaker 3: the Free Masons, when you get up high enough, allegedly

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Speaker 3: they say that that's their true sort of viewpoint of us,

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Speaker 3: We're here to be the slave shall serve. As Alistair

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Speaker 3: Crowley once said, it's kind of their attitude towards us.

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Speaker 2: So if that's the endgame. And again the the artists

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Speaker 2: isn't necessarily aware. They're just told, what, okay, we've built

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Speaker 2: this set. We want you to stand here, we want

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Speaker 2: you to move your arms this way. We want you to,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, make the sign the symbol of a

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Speaker 2: pyramid with your fingers and put it over your eye

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Speaker 2: and flash these illumine signs. So the and this is

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Speaker 2: the this is the prerequisite for the artists to i know,

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Speaker 2: climb the ladder to success. They have to play along

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Speaker 2: with with this scheme.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, you got it. That's exactly how That's

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Speaker 3: how I view it from researching this for thirteen years now.

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Speaker 3: That's how a lot of serious discussed this. Even even

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Speaker 3: Dave Chappelle talks about it. Not on that level, but

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Speaker 3: Dave Chappelle talked about how the people that were running

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Speaker 3: Hollywood when he was having his issues, you know, they

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Speaker 3: he refused to do so, and he implies that something

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Speaker 3: He kind of he kind of talked about it in

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Speaker 3: one of the stand up specials. And then Kat Williams

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Speaker 3: this year recently he had a big show on what

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Speaker 3: do you call it? Club and he said the same

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Speaker 3: exact thing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, these wear a dress to humiliate. Is that

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Speaker 2: what you call a humiliation ritual?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Right, yeah, And that's again it's a bit of

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Speaker 3: antinomianism in there with the idea of breaking the cultural

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Speaker 3: and the idea that they, the the elites want these

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Speaker 3: artists to know that they will be, you know, doing

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Speaker 3: whatever it is that they're told to do whether they

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Speaker 3: like it or not, because they you know, these are

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Speaker 3: gatekeepers to take them to the next level. And that's

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Speaker 3: why Kat Williams was saying Kevin Hart and I like

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Speaker 3: all these guys. I'm not I'm not talking trash. I'm

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Speaker 3: just repeating what Kat Williams claimed. Kat Williams was saying

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Speaker 2: I have to be careful with this one because she

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Speaker 2: has her followers are legion at Taylor Swift and you'll

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Speaker 2: tell us how she got you banned from YouTube here

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Speaker 2: in a moment. Taylor Swift, you know, I'm no arguing

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Speaker 2: but who cares. She seems to be involved with some numerology.

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Speaker 2: Talk to me about about numerology and Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I stually had the same opinion as you.

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Speaker 3: I find her song it's pretty catchy. It's not my

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Speaker 3: with Taylor Swift or her music. But I have had

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Speaker 3: my troubles with Taylor Swift's management team in the past.

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Speaker 3: I've gotten canceled off of YouTube because I, you know,

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Speaker 3: I was pointing out symbolism that you could find in

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Speaker 3: her music videos and there was a problem with that apparently.

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Speaker 3: So the yeah, she recently her big thing is the

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Speaker 3: number thirteen. She says that thirteen is a her lucky number.

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Speaker 3: She had recently at that sixty Sift Grammys. Ironically, we

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Speaker 3: book called Occult Holidays and Sabots, the number thirteen. They

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Speaker 3: consider it divine by the occultists because in the Bible,

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Speaker 3: thirteen apparently means rebellion against constituted authority, and it represents

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Speaker 3: the depravity that calls satan to rebel against God. And

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Speaker 3: they also talk about how in the occult numerology they

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Speaker 3: assigned six to represent the number of man and the

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Speaker 3: number seven to represent the number of define perfection, and

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Speaker 3: a person who would climb what they called Jacob's ladder

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Speaker 3: towards self perfection. You know, you do six plus seventy,

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Speaker 3: he was thirteen, all right.

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Speaker 2: And none of this is to suggest that Taylor Swift

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Speaker 2: is a Satanist. It's I mean, what are we saying here, Well, it's.

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Speaker 3: Don't I don't think she's People say that she looks

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Speaker 3: identical to Anton Levet's daughter. She actually does, but I

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Speaker 3: don't believe that that's really I don't believe their father

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Speaker 3: is Anton Lavay. But I do think that the handlers, right,

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Speaker 3: the people kind of running her business. They probably say,

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Speaker 3: these politicians and stuff, they're really into these occult practices

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Speaker 3: and politicians will introduce certain legislation on certain dates based

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Speaker 3: they do think that these kinds of ideas hold weight.

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Speaker 3: So I would argue that the people her management team

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Speaker 3: are aware of all this numerology, like, for instance, she

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Speaker 3: stuff like this. But I do think that it's no

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Speaker 3: great day to try to really, you know, make that

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Speaker 3: and then then they manifested and then it happens. Right.

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Speaker 3: I think it's no different. I think Taylor Swift is

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Speaker 2: Though, how much of the artists participation, let's go back

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, that's that's one of those million dollar questions,

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Speaker 3: because I do think both of those things happened. I

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Speaker 3: called Do Without Wilt, and the whole thing was dedicated

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Speaker 3: to Alistair Crowley, and he seemed very much to be

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Speaker 3: So it's really hard to tell. But I think ultimately

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Speaker 3: for an image, I think there's still a line and

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Speaker 3: you know, making that sort of faustian bargain in some ways,

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Speaker 3: I think you got to be careful with that kind

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Speaker 3: of stuff, you know. And speaking of Ice or Not,

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Speaker 3: Taylor Swift, she was hanging out you're talking about people

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Speaker 3: just doing the cymbals on TV. She was in the

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Speaker 3: press box with Ice Spice, another rapper during the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 3: and there was this sort of famous viral video of

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Speaker 3: Ice Pikes wearing this inverted cross necklace and she acted

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Speaker 3: and you know, here's it's a great example because the.

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Speaker 4: Super Bowl is like the most washed event of the year,

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Speaker 4: and you have all these people focusing their energy on it,

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Speaker 4: right and you know, you're focusing your energy on an

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, and take from that what you will,

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Speaker 3: what people want to believe in. But I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I do question. And then she makes the sign of

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Speaker 3: the devil horns, you know, like the rock and roll

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Speaker 3: cornudo hands they call that. So I don't know a

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Speaker 3: lot of stuff I think leads down dark roads, is

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Speaker 2: When we talk about the super Bowl halftime, I don't

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Speaker 2: know how many hundreds of millions, maybe a billion. I

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Speaker 2: don't know what the ratings are. But you know, not

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Speaker 2: only the people there live, but people around the world

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Speaker 2: watching the halftime show of the super Bowl and they're

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Speaker 2: performing perhaps these rituals on stage, whether the artist is

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Speaker 2: aware or what have you. When you have that many

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Speaker 2: eyes focused on something, does it can it manifest something?

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Speaker 2: And what are they trying to manifest?

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Speaker 3: I think the stats were for a thirty second commercial

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Speaker 3: this year the super Bowl, it was upwards seven million

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Speaker 3: dollars and The reason these companies would spend that amount

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Speaker 3: of money is because they know that it's worth it

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Speaker 3: in the end for their product. Right. And it's it's

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Speaker 3: a form of alchemy. It's a form of converting energy

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Speaker 3: into money. Right. It's no different than the alchemists who

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Speaker 3: are trying to turn lead into gold. Uh. They know

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Speaker 3: what they're doing and and you know the exact science

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Speaker 3: of it. Like if you if you say, you said, okay, okay,

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Speaker 3: I think mister smart guy proved this. We're going to

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Speaker 3: give you a thirty second Super Bowl commercial and you

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Speaker 3: find a way to manifest seven million dollars out of that.

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Speaker 3: I would know how to do that exactly. But but

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Speaker 3: you know, these these people aren't they're they're not stupid.

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Speaker 3: They understand marketing. They understand how we as the masses,

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Speaker 3: how we think. And you know, they know that planting these.

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Speaker 5: Symbols of their products, their logos, they put a lot

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Speaker 5: of thought into these logos. They know to plant these

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Speaker 5: logos into our subconscious or the collective unconscious, it's it's

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Speaker 5: worth it. It's worth that seven million dollar price tag.

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