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Speaker 1: This feels strongly like a therapy session, and I hope

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Speaker 2: Hey, your Nick, how are you doing this?

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Speaker 1: Great?

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Speaker 2: Fantastic You and I have been playing tennis we have,

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Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, So now you've seen the soul of the

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Speaker 2: publisher of rack of magazine, and I've seen the caliber

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, it's called ten thousand ounce of what

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Speaker 4: I did prior to you doing it. What I like

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Speaker 2: We're talking to one of the sort of famously most

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Speaker 4: Indeed, I would say she's the most introspective, most interesting,

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Speaker 3: But so well read.

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Speaker 4: Loves filling her brain with the most interesting anecdotes, the

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Speaker 4: she's absolutely one of my friends, one of my best friends,

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Speaker 2: She actually kind of connects our worlds. You know, I'm

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Speaker 4: Therefore you have published now two of her stories in

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Speaker 2: Exactly right, issue number two and are current issue number six.

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Speaker 2: And I'm a decent tennis player I played in college. Indeed,

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm Andre Petkovich. I'm thirty years old, I'm a

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Speaker 1: That's my my go to what's my go to British accent?

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Speaker 2: Why where did you learn German? How did you learn German?

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Speaker 3: All that is not a good story.

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Speaker 3: Is that true?

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Speaker 5: So you want to say I'm good in bed or

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Speaker 4: I want to I want you to explain that whole theory.

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Speaker 6: And I really never thought about it.

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Speaker 1: There are just a few writers that would that I

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Speaker 4: I just have to stop you here. She asked you

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Speaker 4: What did you just you she talked about and you

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Speaker 1: That's exactly my point. And I would still put my

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Speaker 5: I think he would be better than Hemingway.

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Speaker 2: There's zero chance that's true.

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Speaker 1: You know, the tortured soul kind of thing has something

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Speaker 4: Very satisfy, to live up to your standards.

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Speaker 5: There you go, None of you know my standards. They

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Speaker 3: This is very true, This is very true.

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Speaker 2: But seriously, let's talk about writers and writing.

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Speaker 2: You had actually a couple of ideas. It seemed like

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Speaker 3: And one of the things that obviously you're really.

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Speaker 2: And articulating your thoughts and expressing yourself. And she was

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Speaker 5: We know it.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's why you're a rarity because you do

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Speaker 2: I think you have, thank you very much, an empathy

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Speaker 4: bit as well, and you kind of find your little

448
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Speaker 4: niche group to hang out with the tour.

449
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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that's that's very true.

450
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Speaker 1: And especially a lot of people ask me, a lot

451
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Speaker 1: of journalists ask me what an interview is like, Andrea,

452
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:34,119
Speaker 1: do you have friends?

453
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Speaker 5: Do you have real friends on tour?

454
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Speaker 1: And I say, yeah, of course, we have real friends,

455
00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:38,880
Speaker 1: and then they go like, but you have.

456
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Speaker 5: Nothing in common? What do you even talk about?

457
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Speaker 1: And then I always go like, well, these friendships are

458
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Speaker 1: actually somehow stronger or more like different than friendships you

459
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Speaker 1: actually pick by interest and by maybe common interests, because

460
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Speaker 1: those friendships are like people.

461
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Speaker 5: That you know from school, right, that you grew up with.

462
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,000
Speaker 1: Maybe you have totally different lives now, but it's like

463
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,239
Speaker 1: family when you see them, right, And that's what you

464
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 1: have with tennis players, because you go through the same emotions,

465
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,679
Speaker 1: you go through the same troubles, through the same problems.

466
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Speaker 5: And that forms a bond if you want it or not.

467
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Speaker 1: And you might have totally different you might have totally

468
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Speaker 1: different interests, but there is something that connects you on

469
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Speaker 1: a deeper level, and.

470
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Speaker 5: That's a bond that can be denied.

471
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Speaker 1: And so I'm always there and I always say, yeah,

472
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Speaker 1: I definitely have real friends on tour, even if we

473
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Speaker 1: talk about I don't know the notebook for an hour

474
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Speaker 1: or so, I have not seen the notebook.

475
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Speaker 5: I just guess it's the Ryan Gosling.

476
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right, right, right, right, pack up.

477
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Speaker 4: I think one of the greatest moments on tour that

478
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Speaker 4: we get is those moments in rain delays at Wimbledon.

479
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Speaker 4: Can you give us a little insight because I know

480
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Speaker 4: I've been there with you in the locker room at

481
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Speaker 4: Wimbledon when it rains, because it's the moment where sort

482
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Speaker 4: of everyone's at the highest of highest of highest performance areas.

483
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Speaker 3: Right, You're at Wimbledon, at.

484
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Speaker 4: A Grand Slam and it rains. Everybody, you know, is

485
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Speaker 4: all in the locker room. Everyone's on a match, going

486
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Speaker 4: to a match, or is sitting there waiting for a match,

487
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 4: like and it could be five to ten hours before

488
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Speaker 4: you get on court.

489
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Speaker 2: And I can't imagine it's very bigger. People are still

490
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Speaker 2: on top of each other.

491
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean at that stage because everybody is in

492
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Speaker 4: the locker room at the same time, right, So because

493
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Speaker 4: everyone comes in and you get that moment where it's

494
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Speaker 4: a heavy deluge and the loud speaker comes on and says,

495
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 4: ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, the rain forecast is crap.

496
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Speaker 4: And we they don't say that at Wonoland, but you know,

497
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Speaker 4: you can imagine it's like it it seems that are

498
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Speaker 4: we going to have hours of rain? So everybody in

499
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Speaker 4: the locker room, all the players have this moment where

500
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Speaker 4: they have this physical and emotional like downturn where they're

501
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 4: not switched on. So now the natural sort of personalities

502
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 4: come out and everybody because now it's entertaining time, right,

503
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Speaker 4: So Andrea.

504
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Speaker 3: Is quite good in those moments.

505
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Speaker 4: Petko, tell us a little bit about those moments and

506
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 4: nose because I've been there with you, and explain that

507
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 4: because people have no idea what goes on in the locker.

508
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 4: Remember I thinks everyone's just a bitch and no one

509
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 4: talks to one another.

510
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 3: But explain those moments.

511
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Speaker 1: Obviously, when people are focused and concentrated on their match,

512
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Speaker 1: they might be more introverted and just more for themselves.

513
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 1: But as you said, when the tension sort of goes

514
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:25,959
Speaker 1: away for a brief second, the true colors show, and

515
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 1: then actress Andrea comes upon comes upon us all, and

516
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Speaker 1: I like.

517
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Speaker 5: To tell stories.

518
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Speaker 1: I'm a storyteller, I guess, and so I start to

519
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 1: tell stories about well, we all have those stories a

520
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 1: rotus lives and matches and whatnot. And then everybody starts

521
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Speaker 1: to tell their stories. And it's always a lot of fun.

522
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Speaker 1: But sometimes when it gets too long. I think, Renee,

523
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Speaker 1: you've seen me in Wimbledon, I think was two years

524
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Speaker 1: ago when it didn't stop raining and you came in

525
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Speaker 1: from your broadcasting and I was in I was like,

526
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Speaker 1: I'm just thinking if I should hang myself in the

527
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Speaker 1: bathroom or I'm from court eighteen on my head, it's

528
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: actually happened to kill myself.

529
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was with the actual exact words.

530
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Speaker 4: Well, it was because you were waiting to play mixed

531
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Speaker 4: doubles or was it doubles at that stage.

532
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was so bad, and we got canceled literally

533
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,360
Speaker 1: every day for five days in a row, and I

534
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: was just sitting and we would be scheduled the first

535
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Speaker 1: match on at eleven thirty, so I was on site

536
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Speaker 1: at ten and then we got canceled at like six pm.

537
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Speaker 1: And I have and for people who don't know it,

538
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 1: the locker room and wimbledoness in the basement, so you

539
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 1: have no daylight.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I was just sitting in the basement for like

542
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Speaker 1: five days, eight hours a day.

543
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Speaker 4: But it also explained the nature of maybe not wanting

544
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Speaker 4: to play tennis sometimes when you're done with it emotionally,

545
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Speaker 4: mentally at the end of the year.

546
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Speaker 1: I don't want to say it's like every other job,

547
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Speaker 1: because there are a lot of emotions involved when you

548
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Speaker 1: play tennis, and I think some people underestimate what emotions

549
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Speaker 1: do to people and when you have this whole year

550
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Speaker 1: where you constantly go through highs and lows, and even

551
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Speaker 1: if it's a great year year, sometimes a great year

552
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: can take.

553
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 5: Away more energy from you than a bad.

554
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Speaker 1: Year because you're on a constant high and no brain

555
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: can really take being on a constant hid.

556
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Speaker 5: It's like being on drugs.

557
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Speaker 3: For sept Sirene, she can handle it.

558
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 5: For yeah, she can have.

559
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Speaker 1: But she was born She's different, you know, she was

560
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: born to do that sort of and I think the

561
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: highs don't necessarily feel as high for her as maybe

562
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Speaker 1: for us for us mortals.

563
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Speaker 4: Of speaking of mortals, I mean, you're top for the

564
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Speaker 4: top ten right semi finals of the French Open, and

565
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Speaker 4: you rock up.

566
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Speaker 3: Where are you this week?

567
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 4: Explain to people what happens when sometimes you have to

568
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 4: claw your way back into that top thirty stratosphere and

569
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 4: what you have to do on weeks like this, And

570
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 4: explain who you were supposed to play yesterday, who also

571
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Speaker 4: is going through the same thing that you are in

572
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Speaker 4: some respects. I mean, how difficult and how interesting what

573
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 4: people don't know about what happens on the tour.

574
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Speaker 3: Where are you?

575
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Speaker 5: Well, Well, I'm in the south of France.

576
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 2: Well, that's so south of can we hear your franchise?

577
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 2: Actually the response with.

578
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:28,239
Speaker 5: Missus bonsou and this is what all French people do.

579
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 3: I feel that's what you do when you're drunk.

580
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 2: It sounds a lot like my drunk French acse that

581
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 2: actually go on.

582
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 5: That's actually true.

583
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Speaker 1: So I'm in the south of France in a little

584
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Speaker 1: village called Canye Surer, which is actually beautiful. I'm playing

585
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand, so I opted to play a smaller

586
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 1: tournament this week to have a few matches and get

587
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Speaker 1: back on track and get my confidence back on track.

588
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: And on first round I draw Ginny Bouchard, who also.

589
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Speaker 5: Had a wildcat. Yeah, I got a wildcard and she

590
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 5: got a wild card.

591
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Speaker 1: And we do each other, which is fun because we

592
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: both opted to play this tournament to have matches, and

593
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: then we were supposed to play each other. Genie got

594
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 1: injured so she had to pull out. But you know,

595
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: sometimes it's just not in your hands.

596
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 3: Explain the difference of this tournament.

597
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: Well, well, the difference is basically, we practice four people

598
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 1: on the court. We get half an hour of practice

599
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: sessions a day. We get only three balls and no

600
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 1: new balls. There is no water anywhere. Yeah, there is

601
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: no water. You have to either buy even so you

602
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: have to either buy your own or you have to

603
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: bag at the tournament office to give you. I speak French,

604
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 1: so i'm and i'm I can be charming if I

605
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: want to. I can only be charming in French, unfortunately,

606
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: so it has never worked for me in any other

607
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: language and any other country.

608
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 5: But so that's what you know. It's just it's just different.

609
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: You the courts are obviously they only had three cords,

610
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: so when when qualities and matches start, there is no

611
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: no practice at all, and it's just very different obviously,

612
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: but I actually enjoy it.

613
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 5: It's back to the roots.

614
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: It reminds me of where I started and where I

615
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 1: came from, and it really captures the essence of tennis.

616
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: Everybody is fighting for their life and literally fighting for

617
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: their life because you don't get paid as well obviously

618
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: as on the WTA tournament. And if you don't do well,

619
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: you cannot pay your coach, you cannot pay your expenses,

620
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: and you lose money day by day. So it's it's

621
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: really well, it's true, and it's really a different type

622
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: of tennis. When you when you when you see it,

623
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Speaker 1: and it has been very interesting for me to watch,

624
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: and actually it's been it's been good for me to

625
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: be part of this way.

626
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: Is it actually more intent on the court? Are the

627
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: points more are people? Is it very cognizant that people

628
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: are scrapping harder than maybe a first round at a

629
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Speaker 2: Grand Slam or or something like that, Like, can you

630
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 2: is it palpable?

631
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: Well, the thing is it's at the same time more

632
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: and less professional, if that makes sense. So what I

633
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: mean by less professional?

634
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: Just like the three balls?

635
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 5: Do you have bull kids only on center court? Wow?

636
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:11,479
Speaker 3: Okay, so there's another one.

637
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, so they are less professional?

638
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: I mean exactly those things like having a massage after

639
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: the matches, stretching, training, working out like off the court.

640
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: A lot of players I see here don't work as

641
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,479
Speaker 1: much out off the court as the w as like

642
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: the higher ranked players.

643
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 5: Right.

644
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: For example, just one example yesterday, when Ginnie pulled out,

645
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: the lucky losers that could have been could have gotten

646
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: her spot forgot to sign, so there was no lucky

647
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: loser to get in and that's why I.

648
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Speaker 4: Got Well, they saw they were going to play you,

649
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 4: that's why.

650
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 3: So they said, what's the point.

651
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 5: I don't know if that's true, but you know.

652
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: But then on the other hand, when you watch the

653
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: matches on court, the girls are fighting their hearts out.

654
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: There is crying, they are throwing themselves into the clay.

655
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Speaker 5: It's really amazing to watch the intensity.

656
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: It's so much different because you know, the thing on

657
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: the water is you get paid good money even if

658
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: you lose, and if it's not your day, you're kind

659
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: of like, a fuck, this is not my day. I'm

660
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Speaker 1: going to try next week and I might do better.

661
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,479
Speaker 1: It's not that life depending right, but here it is.

662
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: So everybody is working so hard and fighting so hard,

663
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Speaker 1: and the intensity is really palpable. It's it's very different.

664
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Speaker 1: I think it's very different. I mean the same thing

665
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Speaker 1: when you go around Grand Slam's qualities.

666
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Speaker 5: If you have ever watched this, it's.

667
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Speaker 1: Very different energy and very different atmosphere than once you

668
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Speaker 1: get to the main draws.

669
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Speaker 4: I think it's kind of perfect for you, actually, because

670
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Speaker 4: that's kind of you who you are. I think, switch

671
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 4: the brain off and become doggedly determined, clail over you,

672
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 4: you know, the whole thing. So this could be I

673
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 4: feel like this is your tournament.

674
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Speaker 5: From your mouth to God's ears.

675
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Speaker 3: I believe in it. I believe in you all the

676
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Speaker 3: way over here.

677
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Speaker 2: Okay, So now we're going to sort of do We're

678
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Speaker 2: going to try out a segment that we're going to

679
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: call I don't know what we're going to call it.

680
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 2: Stubs you. No, I'm not going to be going to

681
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: say that out loud. We're going to sort of ask

682
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Speaker 2: the same people the same couple of questions with the

683
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Speaker 2: idea that we're going to try to get to some

684
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: philosophical ponderings and one of the best ones. And I'm

685
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 2: going to ask it because it's Renee's question. The way

686
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: she would phrase it is, there's a good lane and

687
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: a bad lane on a tennis court. I think we

688
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: all know what happens when you're in the good lane,

689
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 2: But what do you, in particular do when you're in

690
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: the bad lane? What's your response?

691
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 4: What's your default mechanism, default mechanism that's not.

692
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 5: Good when things are going badly? Yeah?

693
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Speaker 4: I like, basically, when you're on the court and you

694
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 4: know things are getting tough, what's your bad trait that

695
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Speaker 4: you have to stay away from?

696
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: Well, except for crying and praying to God to help

697
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: me out of the situation. I think the worst part

698
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: that I do, or that works least for me, is

699
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: I get really into my head because I feel like

700
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: I can control things with my thoughts, so I really

701
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: think about what I like, literally think about what I

702
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: would have to do, which is the worst thing you

703
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: can do in tennis, because you have to sort of

704
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: go with the flow and feel it and just get

705
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: free of thought and be in the moment. And I

706
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: think that's something that I do, like, I really think

707
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: about what I could do better, and that's that's not

708
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Speaker 1: good in my experience. I don't know what's your experience, Renee.

709
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 4: Well, mine was to get a little bit crazy and

710
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 4: sort of blame you know, the umpire or the book

711
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 4: if somebody in the crowd made a noise or you know,

712
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 4: I'd have an excuse or there would be a reason

713
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 4: for me to have lost, you know, and so rather

714
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 4: than sort of just let it go and just move

715
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 4: on to the next point, I was similar to you,

716
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 4: but mine came out. My reactions were outwardly, you know,

717
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 4: obvious to everybody. Yours is not obvious to people because

718
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,719
Speaker 4: you were introspective. You're going inside your brain and I

719
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 4: was going outside.

720
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Speaker 3: Of my brain.

721
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Speaker 4: So so how do you change that? Like, what's an

722
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 4: optimum place for you on a tennis court?

723
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Speaker 1: Well, the optimum place And this is really difficult because,

724
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: especially for somebody that is as intense as I am

725
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: on the court. I tried to find a good balance

726
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Speaker 1: between being powered up and intense but still sort of calm,

727
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Speaker 1: so kind of like an intense relaxation if that makes sense,

728
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Speaker 1: because I get if I get too intense, my muscles

729
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: tighten up and I get really short, and my swings

730
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: and my strokes and my ball tends to land flat

731
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: and short into the court. And when I'm too relaxed,

732
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: I sort of have no focus and no intensity and

733
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Speaker 1: I play And the way I play is I have

734
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: to grind somebody out point by point. So if I

735
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: keep my level up for every point, eventually the others

736
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: will will break down. That was my strategy how I

737
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Speaker 1: win matches.

738
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Speaker 5: And if I'm too.

739
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: Relaxed, gift one point there, I play one mistake there,

740
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: then I play a fine point. But that's not who

741
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: I am. So this is the most difficult part for

742
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Speaker 1: me to find the exact middle ground of intensity and relaxation.

743
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I see, I think, I think I find you

744
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 4: so interesting because you have such a creative mind. So, yeah,

745
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 4: you're a very pragmatic person. So the worst place for

746
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 4: you to be is overthinking on the court. Yes, but

747
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 4: yet then the creativity sort of bored human being.

748
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 2: Well no, because if you're a smart person, you want variety.

749
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you like all of a sudden, your brain

750
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 4: starts clicking over because you're actually thinking about other things

751
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 4: and not really what you should be thinking about on

752
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 4: the court, which is actually to stay loose. So it's

753
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 4: like you have this like dichotomy on the court with

754
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 4: your own brain, whereas one is overthinking and the other

755
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 4: one is over creative, whereas you almost need to I

756
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 4: always say to you, take your head off your shoulders

757
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 4: and just throw it away for about a couple hours

758
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 4: and just play with your physicality.

759
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: Right?

760
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 2: Does that ever work? Do people listen when you give

761
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 2: them that sort of advice?

762
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 3: Most do, but you know I never do. Pat Co

763
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 3: is a little bit of a tough one to get.

764
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna let you off the hook. Related question,

765
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 2: do you think people sort of philosophically show you who

766
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 2: they are when they play? Oh yeah, like their personality,

767
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 2: their core being for sure? What can you tell by

768
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 2: somebody's playing stuff?

769
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 3: And give us an example.

770
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: Oh, you can tell so much. Well, my favorite thing

771
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: is when you can tell most by Now it's a

772
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: little different on the professional tour, everybody has a poker

773
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: face on, but you can tell the most about the

774
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: person that you just met. If they have never played

775
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: tennis and you take them to a tennis court, you

776
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: can tell so much.

777
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 5: You can tell how determined they are, how.

778
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: Proud they are, because pride shows a lot when you

779
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: get Tennis is a difficult sport. Rarely every ever, somebody

780
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: just picks it up and plays well. Right, So it's

781
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: a very difficult sport for beginners, and you can tell

782
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: so much. It's like the most fun I have when

783
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: I meet a person to bring them on the tennis

784
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: court for the first time.

785
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 4: Have you played tennis with Caitlin?

786
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: Where's this going?

787
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 5: I have not know.

788
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: I saw her play with Dave, But what type of

789
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: person is she on the tennis court?

790
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 7: I'm just going to say a little, a little, a

791
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 7: little hectic, okay, a little very aggressive, wanting to come

792
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 7: into the net, which is, you know, great as far

793
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 7: as I'm concerned, because that was my gig but listens

794
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 7: very well, takes information in very well.

795
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: Well, she's will sounds, but that sounds like a real

796
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: New Yorker. She's a neurotic freak that wants to learn

797
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: and evolve. So that's like basically New Yorker on a

798
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: tennis court.

799
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just wants to get better.

800
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

801
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 4: I think that's such a great I agree with you

802
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 4: one hundred percent. You take if you're a professional like

803
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 4: you are and like I was, and you take somebody

804
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 4: who has never been a professional, and you take them

805
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 4: onto the tennis court. In half an hour, I can

806
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 4: tell you exactly what their traits are.

807
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what, should we do.

808
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 3: That for dating? Should we do that for dating?

809
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 4: Like take the prospective part.

810
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 2: Sounds allowed to date? I'm going to say, this is

811
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: the only married person in this conversation. Neither of you

812
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: are allowed to date anyone without first striking a few

813
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 2: tennis balls across the net. That is going to be

814
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 2: your proervisit? Can you handle that? Both of you? Ladies?

815
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 1: Well, I was just going to say the most interesting

816
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: part for me is when you take a man to

817
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: the tennis court for the first time and they play,

818
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: and you really see even like the guys that I

819
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: go for that unnecessary necessarily, like the typically a well

820
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: not the like typical matcho manly guys, but the like

821
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: the masculinity comes out in them, they get they are

822
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: super proud.

823
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 5: And they get pissed off if they can't.

824
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: Do it, you know, and then the man comes out

825
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: and I always laugh at them.

826
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 5: I'm like, dude, you look like a twelve year old girl.

827
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 5: Why are you behaving like a man right now?

828
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 2: And then you keep dating him after that? Or is

829
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 2: that like end of course of course.

830
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,760
Speaker 5: For four to six weeks, four to six weeks.

831
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 4: Well, your German article that you released apparently says that

832
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 4: you're not dating at all, so we feel sorry for you.

833
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 3: Can you want to go?

834
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 4: Do you want to just you know, tap out the

835
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 4: end of this little conversation by telling everybody that you

836
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 4: have no problem meeting.

837
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 6: People after Well, I'm wait.

838
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: Back up a second. You are now a pretty well

839
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: known columnist in Germany. Yes, you're writing for one of

840
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 2: the biggest newspapers. How what is the gig? What are

841
00:37:58,840 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 2: you doing?

842
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: Well, this newspaper approach approached me and asked me if

843
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: I wanted to write a column or actually they asked

844
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: me if I wanted to talk to one of their

845
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: reporters every week and he would write something down for me.

846
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 5: And I was like, wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on,

847
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 5: hold on on, do you know who I know?

848
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm published.

849
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 6: Who are you talking to right now?

850
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 5: Wait?

851
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 1: And so I told them, let me write this thing,

852
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: and I said, so, I sent them a few like

853
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: text boom we call it in Germany, where it's like

854
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: just a few test drives, and they looked at it

855
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: and they were like, Okay, we're going to take this.

856
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: And so they decided that they wanted me to talk

857
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: about myself and pop culture, so, which.

858
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 5: Is a really weird sort of.

859
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: It's difficult to describe because the column is about so much.

860
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: It's mostly about traveling, hotels and bars and how pop

861
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: culture saved your life when you're alone all the time.

862
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 2: Right, It's a good premise.

863
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, And so it's supposed to be every column.

864
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: The anchor of the column is a film that I

865
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: talk about in the beginning, and then I sort of

866
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: make a connection to my own life and the introduction

867
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: to the column. I was supposed to write an introduction

868
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: to the column, and it was supposed to be like,

869
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: why films? Right, So I was supposed to explain, because

870
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: people know me as a tennis player, why would I

871
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: write about films.

872
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 5: All of the sudden.

873
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: I'm not a film expert, right, So the road I

874
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: went down was like, well, it's not always easy as

875
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 1: a tennis player, and we need and every person needs

876
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: an escape strategy, and my escape strategy is films. So

877
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 1: the original sentence that I wrote was following, So it's

878
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: not always easy for tennis players with escape strategies because

879
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: alcohol is not an option because recovery gets slowed down.

880
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: Then drugs is not an option because we are under

881
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: strict jopping controls. And sex, well, sex technically is an option,

882
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: but it's actually not that easy to get to as

883
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: people might think on the road. I think that was

884
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: the original sentence.

885
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 5: So this huge.

886
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: Gossip magazine took out that sentence and they made it

887
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 1: into and the headline was Andrea Petkovic has no sex.

888
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 5: And literally, in the first three.

889
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: Hours after the headline appeared, my Instagram exploded into freaking

890
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: maniacs writing me direct messages like I have no sex either,

891
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Speaker 1: maybe we should get together. And you know what the

892
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: worst part about this is in my native idealism.

893
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 5: I thought, well, look at this, people really like.

894
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 8: My column until my press guy sent me a screenshot

895
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,760
Speaker 8: of the headline of this huge newspaper that had featured

896
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 8: the quote, and then I.

897
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 5: Was like, well, off you go, Idealism. It was not

898
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 5: my column.

899
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: It was just one sentence that I accidentally put in there.

900
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: And that's how my life got destroyed and went down

901
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: the drain in the course of two hours.

902
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 4: In the course of two hours, or maybe let's say

903
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 4: a day, you got just take a ballpark figure of

904
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 4: how many guys fifty tried to no, no, no, no

905
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 4: said no no, tell.

906
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 2: Us, no, no, tell us.

907
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: Okay, So I had I turned off my phone because

908
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: it got so bad for two hours, and when I

909
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: turned it back on, I had nineteen nine plus direct messages,

910
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: so they couldn't even count it anymore. So I just

911
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: blocked all and then I called Renee to rant about

912
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: this fucking newspaper and how they destroyed my social media

913
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: for the next five days, and we talked for thirteen minutes.

914
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 5: I have it on record.

915
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 1: We talked for thirteen minutes, and in those thirteen minutes,

916
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: I had eighty six new messages on my Instagram.

917
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 4: So basically you are now officially like as far as

918
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 4: match dot com or bumble or Tinder or rya celebrity whatever.

919
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 4: Bottom line, I don't even know about it. You don't

920
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 4: need it. You just need to write an article in Germany.

921
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 4: And you apparently could get laid every day for the

922
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 4: rest of your life by these guys.

923
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: Oh, every day, every day. If I wanted to, I

924
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: just have to. I just have to respond to go

925
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: on my Yeah, I just have to go on my

926
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: direct messages and pick one, just like throw an arrow

927
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: and pick the first one that comes out and be like, hey,

928
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: do you want to get together because we both have

929
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: no sex?

930
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 5: And then he would they would be like, OK, okay.

931
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 4: For the record, for the record, you know, because I

932
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 4: know you've wanted to square this away. But for the record,

933
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 4: have you had enough sex that we don't need to

934
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 4: worry about you.

935
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 5: I just want to say I'm fine. I just want

936
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 5: to say it.

937
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: I'm not lacking in any aspect of my life. But

938
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: I also want to say the funniest thing is when

939
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: I told the sentence the original sentence to Renee, her

940
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: first reaction was.

941
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 6: Like, that's not even true. You do two of the

942
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 6: three things.

943
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 5: Every time you listen, like Rene, it's a okay.

944
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 3: You don't do the drugs part.

945
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 4: I know that for a factist because you can. But

946
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 4: as far as the alcohol and the extracurric extra curriculum

947
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 4: activities with the opposite sex, I can attest for fact

948
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 4: that you are completely fine.

949
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 2: Now she's never going to come on our podcast again,

950
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:14,959
Speaker 2: Yes she will, she will.

951
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: You know what the worst part is people were like

952
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 1: pitying me, you know, they were like, ah, poor you.

953
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 5: You just can you?

954
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:30,479
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, okay, I'm doing fine, don't

955
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: worry about me. But no, this feels strongly like a

956
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: therapy session. And I hope you don't charge me for this.

957
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 4: No, no, no, not not considering you have pretty much

958
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 4: given me therapy for about five months.

959
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 3: That's that's far.

960
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 4: But we won't get into that right now.

961
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 2: Well, listen, Andrea, good luck this week in the south

962
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 2: of France. I can't wait to speak some French with

963
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 2: you drunken or not.

964
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 4: Hopefully leave me out of the French conversation.

965
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 2: You can speak German, and please come back on our show,

966
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,919
Speaker 2: because we didn't even get to what you've promised both

967
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 2: of us which is that you're going to be our

968
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 2: fashion correspondent.

969
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 5: Can I please be a fashion actually give.

970
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 2: Us like your best met Gala outfits?

971
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 4: I have a good one, but go ahead, but I'm

972
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 4: very curious to hear your thoughts.

973
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 5: Well, I really like Blake Lively. I have to say,

974
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 5: she always nails it, doesn't.

975
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 2: She and I just you have gone immediately into fashion

976
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 2: fashion contra She's like, well, let me let me actually

977
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 2: just start. Yeah.

978
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 6: Well, on the men's side, cha Chadwick Boast what's his name?

979
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 5: I cannot Chadwick?

980
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 2: Those men he looked amazing.

981
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 5: He looked amazing.

982
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: I really appreciated his book, and also I liked how

983
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:41,479
Speaker 1: Rihanna really went full on with the Catholic Heavenly Bodies team.

984
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: And I also have to say that I found the

985
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: theme to be quite controversy controverse, controverse, controversial, controversial, that

986
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: is the word catholic. I mean really nowadays.

987
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 4: Mine was Lena Waite. Of course he wore a big

988
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 4: rainbow flag to speaking of not being a man, you

989
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 4: got to get up.

990
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, she gate it up, like have you seen her picture?

991
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 2: She gate it up.

992
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 3: She gate it up.

993
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 4: Was like a big, big, big rainbow blanket over.

994
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 3: I thought it was great.

995
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 2: Well, we haven't talked about my favorite because I'm a

996
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 2: child of nineteen eighty and my so called life. Jared Letto.

997
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 5: Oh really, Oh my god. He looked like Jesus Christ.

998
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 2: I mean he definitely has a Jesus Christ.

999
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 4: Well, he kind of does look like Jesus, but he

1000
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 4: looked amazing.

1001
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 2: He's bringing a gold crown. He sort of looked like

1002
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 2: very regal.

1003
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 5: I mean, he went full on, full on Jesus Christ.

1004
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: He was like, sorry, I didn't bring my mother Maria

1005
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: Magdalena to this.

1006
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 4: I did love Tom Brady and Giselle Bungcheon of course,

1007
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 4: Like I mean those two.

1008
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 5: Uh, I don't know they should respect that.

1009
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 4: They just they just want to put themselves on top

1010
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 4: of that trophy, don't they.

1011
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: They're so gross.

1012
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're grossest his slick back hair.

1013
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 5: I don't want people that's perfect in my life.

1014
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 4: You're talking to two of them, Caitlyn and I took

1015
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 4: such offense to that comment.

1016
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 2: Okay. And then lastly, this is sort of unrelated, but

1017
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 2: it is on the fashion tip. Did you see the

1018
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 2: female members of the con jury and how they immaculately

1019
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 2: they were dressed it's Leah se Do, Kate Blanchet.

1020
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 9: Okay, oh, I saw that, Kirstin Stewart, Kirsten Stewart, ganay,

1021
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 9: and I believe singer whose name I don't know, yea,

1022
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 9: and then some men and like the fact that the

1023
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 9: men were such an aftertho and not even in the

1024
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 9: pictures kind of makes it because those women looked amazing.

1025
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 4: Well, Kate Blanchett, they looked amazing.

1026
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 5: Well, they are just twenty minutes from me.

1027
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: They are twenty minutes away from me, and can can

1028
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: is so can write.

1029
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 2: Very apparently yes, yeah, yeah, well they look amazing.

1030
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: But I know I wanted to be like a weekly

1031
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: feature on the podcast as a fashion expert. Fine, but

1032
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: I just want the people to know that Caitlyn didn't

1033
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: want me to be that person. And so that's all

1034
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: I'm going to say about it and my emotions, my

1035
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: feelings were maybe.

1036
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 2: Editing all of this out because it's not true. I

1037
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 2: accidentally sent you a text to my best friend. You

1038
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 2: interpreted that as I don't want you to talk about fashion,

1039
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 2: when the reality is I want nothing more than for

1040
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 2: you to talk about fashion every week. Now we're going

1041
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: to talk fashion because you have to say in that

1042
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,240
Speaker 2: German way fashion fashion.

1043
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 4: We haven't told this story, but we have to get

1044
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 4: this in there some way. But Andrea, when you are

1045
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 4: stopped at you know, the border control of any country

1046
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 4: in the world, and someone says to you, what do

1047
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 4: you do for a living? What do you answer them?

1048
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 4: You know, because and now my question. When I played,

1049
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 4: I would say, I'm a professional tennis player. I'm here

1050
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 4: to play an event, blah blah blah. Now it's I'm

1051
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 4: a TV commentator, an analyst. I work for ESPN, blah

1052
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 4: blah blah. Caitlin would say, you know, I'm a publisher,

1053
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,919
Speaker 4: I'm a writer, I'm smart, I'm like, you know, I've

1054
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 4: got great feet. I've got great feet. What do you

1055
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 4: say when someone asks you, why are you in New York?

1056
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: Well, the guy that asked me this year, yes, like,

1057
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: what's the purpose of your visit?

1058
00:47:58,560 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 5: And I said, I played?

1059
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,919
Speaker 1: And then he laughed at me, and I said, that's

1060
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 1: a real job, sir, and then he said, whatever you say, man,

1061
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: and I just went on my business.

1062
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,919
Speaker 4: So Petko doesn't say I'm a professional tennis player, which

1063
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 4: is what you should say. She says, I play well, I.

1064
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 5: Do, and I have glorious eyebrow.

1065
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 2: We know, Andrea. Thank you for joining us on our

1066
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 2: inaugural episode, ay, and thank you in advance for being

1067
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 2: our weekly fashion correspondent.

1068
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,919
Speaker 4: Fashion correspondent, and I would like to say to you

1069
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 4: feelin dunk, mina friend, Mina Freud, Freud, no friend, and.

1070
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 2: Let's get her present. See if you can pull this off, Dunk.

1071
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 2: And that's it for this episode of the Racket Magazine podcast.

1072
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. Our host is Renee Stubbs. Our co

1073
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 2: host and producer is me Caitlin Thompson. Music by internationally

1074
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 2: renowned DJ Stretch Armstrong. Thanks to Tim Or, Jerry Taylor

1075
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 2: Dalton and the team at ACAF. Find us at racketmag

1076
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 2: dot com, slash podcast, and subscribe to us at any

1077
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 2: of your favorite podcatchers