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Speaker 1: On September eighteenth, twenty twenty three, the story hit the press.

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Speaker 1: The headline read baby Mama drama. Bachelor Clayton Eckerds x

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Speaker 1: fling demands he take paternity test in court case after

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Speaker 1: she becomes pregnant with twins.

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Speaker 2: My name is Diana Cooper and I am a former

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Speaker 2: reporter with the US Son and back in twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 2: I broke the story of Laura Owens and Clayton Eckered,

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Speaker 2: eliging that she was pregnant with his twins.

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Speaker 1: Diana received a tip an email from a woman in

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Speaker 1: Arizona with a shocking claim.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people on our team were like, is

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Speaker 2: it real? Like when you have to question something, it's

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Speaker 2: kind of like, Okay, maybe readers are going to be

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Speaker 2: just as interested as we are.

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Speaker 1: The readers were very interested. Under the headline, the Son

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Speaker 1: posted multiple pictures of Clayton from his time on The Bachelor.

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Speaker 1: You can imagine what this felt like for him. He

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Speaker 1: was trying to leave his Bachelor passed by. Now he

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Speaker 1: was in the spotlight again and not in a good way.

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Speaker 1: As soon as he saw.

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Speaker 3: The article, I put my hands on my head and

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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my gosh, this is gonna be such

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Speaker 3: a mess.

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Speaker 1: Clayton's phone started blowing up with texts and dms.

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Speaker 3: It was nerve wracking at the time because I assume

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Speaker 3: most of these damns were going to be negative.

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Speaker 1: But they weren't all negative. One of them turned out

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Speaker 1: to be extremely important.

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Speaker 3: So I was just scrolling through my Instagram dms and

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, I see this message from a

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Speaker 3: woman named Ashley.

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Speaker 1: The message came in just twenty four hours after the

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Speaker 1: story broke, and this is what it said.

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Speaker 3: Hey, you need to look into this court case. You're

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Speaker 3: not the only one. Look up Owen's versus Gillespie and

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Speaker 3: the Azy court docs. Two plus years ago. She accused

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Speaker 3: my boyfriend of getting her pregnant with twins.

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Speaker 1: I'm Stephanie Young and this is love trapped.

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Speaker 4: There's no way.

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Speaker 5: You'd better be.

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Speaker 1: I'll be raising Holy.

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Speaker 6: Helmes if you ever, ever, ever ever try to.

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Speaker 1: The day the news broke, Clayton was actually on his

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Speaker 1: first day of a new job, a hosting gig for

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Speaker 1: a local TV show called Pickleball Paddle Battle.

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Speaker 3: The thing is, I don't even play pickleball, but when

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Speaker 3: the opportunity came through, I figured, hey, why not, like

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Speaker 3: it'll be a fun gig, We'll have a good time

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Speaker 1: The day before filming started, he posted on social media

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Speaker 1: saying he'd be on set that week, and then he

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Speaker 1: got an email, the kind of email he'd been getting

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Speaker 1: all summer. It was from Laura Owens. He'd come to

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Speaker 1: expect them, but he hadn't gotten used to them.

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Speaker 3: And she said, look, I'm going public if I don't

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Speaker 3: hear back from you. I've given you enough chances, but

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Speaker 3: now it's time for this story to be heard and

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Speaker 3: for people to find out who you really are.

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Speaker 1: He'd been issued this ultimatum a few times before, Laura

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Speaker 1: demanding he engaged with her and threatening to go public

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Speaker 1: if he didn't. Clayton ignored her message, but this time

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Speaker 1: Laura wasn't bluffing.

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Speaker 2: Laura sent us a tip to The Sun's tip line email.

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Speaker 1: That's Diana Cooper again, the one who broke the story.

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Speaker 1: At the time, she was writing nearly a story a

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Speaker 1: day for The Sun, mostly about the Bachelor when she

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Speaker 1: got the tip email from Laura Owens. It had a

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Speaker 1: lot of attachments like court documents, police reports and photos.

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Speaker 1: It looked legit.

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Speaker 2: In the beginning, I was convinced. I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: she had all these dates, she had proof and email.

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Speaker 1: Is getting ready for his first day of filming when

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Speaker 1: he got an email from Diana Cooper.

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Speaker 3: She wrote, Hey, I've been talking with Laura Owens and

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Speaker 3: we're going to release a story today.

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Speaker 1: At this time, Diana needed his response within the next

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Speaker 3: I hopped on a phone call and I said, this

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Speaker 3: is a complete lie. This woman is lying out her teeth.

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Speaker 3: She has no evidence.

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Speaker 1: But Laura provided the tabloid with court documents and a

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Speaker 1: very compelling narrative. It was enough for the Sun to

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Speaker 1: run with. Diana published it that evening, and she sent

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Speaker 1: Clayton the link. He was on set in between filming.

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Speaker 1: When he opened the.

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Speaker 3: Article, I'm like, oh my gosh, what do I do.

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Speaker 3: First thing I think, I'm like, I gotta go tell

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Speaker 3: the pickleball paddle battle. I got to tell these people

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Speaker 3: like it's day one. They've all literally just met me,

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Speaker 3: and I've got to explain what's going on. I can't

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Speaker 3: just like breeze over this. This is going to get

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Speaker 3: right in front of him.

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Speaker 1: He went to the show producers to explain the situation

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Speaker 1: and tell them his side of things. They held a

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Speaker 1: closed door discussion about how to move forward. When they

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Speaker 1: called him back in, they said.

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Speaker 3: We believe you, so let's just keep it rolling. And

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Speaker 3: that meant a lot to me, you know, Like I

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Speaker 3: remember just being like, well, I can't believe it. These

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Speaker 3: people just met me and they're going to roll with me.

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Speaker 1: So Clayton went back to filming all the while his

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Speaker 1: phone was in his locker buzzing NonStop with text messages

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Speaker 1: and calls.

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Speaker 3: One thing I'm really good at is compartmentalization. Unfortunately I

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Speaker 3: did it on The Bachelor. I learned it through football.

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Speaker 1: Well, Clayton was in compartmentalization mode. His friends and family

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Speaker 1: were all sending around the article Here's how it starts.

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Speaker 1: Bachelor Clayton Eckerds x fling has demanded he take a

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Speaker 1: paternity test in court documents exclusively obtained by the US Sun.

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Speaker 1: When Clayton got a chance to sit down and read it,

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Speaker 1: he was surprised to see that Laura hadn't used her

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Speaker 1: own name. She'd asked The Sun not to publish her name.

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Speaker 1: Here's Diana.

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Speaker 2: She said she was a podcast host, she gave ted

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Speaker 2: talks and She wanted me to include that information. We

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Speaker 2: use her age and where she's from, Arizona.

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Speaker 4: She just didn't want her name used.

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Speaker 1: Even though the tabloid didn't print her name, the clues

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Speaker 1: Laura provided were enough for the Internet to identify her

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Speaker 1: within minutes.

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Speaker 7: Female podcaster has a TEDx Talk lives in Scottsdale.

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Speaker 4: Sorry too much information.

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Speaker 7: They know your street address within a moment, like welcome

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Speaker 7: to the Internet.

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Speaker 1: That's Dave Neil. He's a stand up comedian and host

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Speaker 1: of the popular daily podcast The Rush Hour, where he

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Speaker 1: covers pop culture and bachelor news.

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Speaker 7: Good morning, everybody, Happy Thursday to you. I got all

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Speaker 7: your news for your rush hour ride to work.

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Speaker 1: His show has been going for almost six years, and

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Speaker 1: it's earned him an extremely loyal following. Was one of

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Speaker 1: the first people to pick up the story about Clayton.

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Speaker 7: My audience is so piped in that usually I'll get

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Speaker 4: When there's a story like.

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Speaker 1: This, Dave wasn't alone. He called Reality Steve, who'd also

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Speaker 1: been covering bachelor news for years. They'd seen a lot

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Speaker 1: of drama before, but nothing quite like this.

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Speaker 5: Immediately, Dave Neil and I contacted each other and we

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Speaker 5: were like, oh my gosh, this is crazy covering Bachelor Nation.

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Speaker 5: I just hadn't seen anybody involved in a paternity scandal

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Speaker 5: like this, so I was like, Dave, this is huge,

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Speaker 5: and Dave's like, absolutely, we got to cover this.

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Speaker 1: At first, they weren't sure what to make of it.

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Speaker 7: This is either the craziest story of a Bachelor villain

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Speaker 7: or the biggest scam is happening.

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Speaker 4: It's one or the other.

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Speaker 1: For Dave. In reality, Steve, the piece in the sun

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Speaker 1: was jaw dropping. It's just not the kind of thing

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Speaker 1: you read every day. In it, Clayton is adamant about

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Speaker 1: his side of things. He told old the tabloid. My

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Speaker 1: response is in the court documents. I'm not giving it

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Speaker 1: the time of day because it's baseless. We did not

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Speaker 1: have sexual intercourse that caught Dave Neil's attention.

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Speaker 4: I'm looking at this going this does not pass the

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Speaker 4: sniff test.

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Speaker 1: In the article, Laura doesn't provide any medical documentation like

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Speaker 1: ultrasounds or scans, but she does provide multiple text exchanges

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Speaker 1: with Clayton. She openly expresses that she wants to try

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Speaker 1: dating him. For Dave Neil. In reality, Steve Laura's apparent

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Speaker 1: infatuation with Clayton was an immediate red flag.

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Speaker 4: It read like fan fiction. It didn't make sense.

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Speaker 5: Something doesn't seem right with this story.

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Speaker 7: The red flags for me is when someone wants to

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Speaker 7: share information, but not all the information.

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Speaker 4: We knew early on. She cherry picked the hell out

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Speaker 4: of things, so they.

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Speaker 1: Started investigating Laura's claims.

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Speaker 7: I have to take these claims seriously for the sake

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Speaker 4: Initially, it's a FactFinder mission.

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Speaker 1: Within a few days of the article coming out, reality

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Speaker 1: Steve tried to fill in some of the blanks by

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Speaker 1: reaching out to Clayton directly.

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Speaker 5: I got a hold of Clayton. We had about a

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Speaker 5: ninety minute conversation, and I believed every word of what

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Speaker 5: he told me. And it had nothing to do with oh,

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Speaker 5: just gonna side with the guy, because if Clayton seemed

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Speaker 5: have called him out for it. He didn't. He told

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Speaker 5: me so many details that I'm like, there's no way

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Speaker 5: this guy's that good of a liar.

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Speaker 1: Dave Neil believed him too.

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Speaker 7: The reason I believe Clayton is his biggest issue on

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Speaker 7: his season was that he was too honest.

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Speaker 1: I heard this from so many people, including Clayton's own family.

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Speaker 1: One of his defining characteristics is candor, maybe even to

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Speaker 1: a fault. Here's Dave Neil again for.

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Speaker 7: Him to say, hey, no, this isn't true. That immediately,

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Speaker 7: you know, was like game on. Now we have a

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Speaker 7: story because he said, she said, which, by the way,

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Speaker 7: is the most provable thing in the world. Either she's

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Speaker 7: having these kids in their yours or they're not. Why

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Speaker 7: would anybody lie about that when you could prove it

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Speaker 7: The next.

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Speaker 1: Day, Dave was right, this should be a very simple

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Speaker 1: thing to prove. By this point, the Internet was going crazy.

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Speaker 1: The story was blowing up on Reddit, in the Bachelor

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Speaker 1: and Bachelor Nation subreddits.

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Speaker 6: I can't believe. I started to feel bad for Clayton

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Speaker 6: for all the hate that he got. Well that's gone.

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Speaker 1: If he didn't want children, he should have worn a condom.

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Speaker 1: For anyone defending Clayton in here, go okay.

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Speaker 8: I hope Y'll get full custody and child support.

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Speaker 1: It's confirmed that Clayton is a piece of garbage. I

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Speaker 1: feel for those poor babies.

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Speaker 4: I never liked him, and I guess my gut feeling was.

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Speaker 1: Right At first. Everyone is asumed Clayton was the bad guy.

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I did too. I remember seeing the

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Speaker 1: headline and thinking sounds about right. His reputation from The

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Speaker 1: Bachelor preceded him. Plus, we've worked hard as a society

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Speaker 1: to air towards believing women when they say they've been victimized.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to believe Laura, but the way she presented

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Speaker 1: her side of the story and the sun was just off.

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Speaker 1: People on Reddit were picking up on that too.

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Speaker 3: This isn't a good way to start motherhood.

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Speaker 9: If you want anonymity, then let it get settled in court.

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Speaker 4: Posting Clayton's text without including your own in the full

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Speaker 4: conversation suggest you're hiding something.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like this isn't really about your pregnancy, This

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Speaker 1: is about your unrequited feelings for him.

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Speaker 1: The cracks and Laura's story were showing. It only took

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Speaker 12: I am the anonymous woman in the Clayton scandal. Here's

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Speaker 1: By this point, the Internet had already figured out Laura's name.

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Speaker 7: The fact that she was so brazen in sharing evidence

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Speaker 1: The story was becoming an Internet sensation, taking on a

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Speaker 3: I have been through so much shit. I was publicly

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Speaker 3: So I post a story and I said, hey, guys,

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Speaker 3: She's sending like all caps emails and so she's like,

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Speaker 1: Clayton wasn't afraid of bad press. He'd been through it before.

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Speaker 1: Now that the story was out, his goal was to

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Speaker 13: Got so please bye.

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Speaker 14: My name is Laura Owens.

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Speaker 6: I am out of town right now.

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Speaker 14: I'm out of Arizona, but I'm trying to get an

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Speaker 14: and is very publicly posting for people to look up

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Speaker 12: I'm out in town.

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Speaker 1: The Scottsdale Police followed up with Clayton.

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Speaker 1: His name was Greg Gillespie. Greg had experienced a remarkably

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Speaker 3: It almost didn't feel real. Talking to Greg was the

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Speaker 1: Hearing Greg Gillespie's story lit a fire under Clayton. Suddenly

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Speaker 1: The person who initially messaged Clayton, Ashley, was actually Greg

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Speaker 1: the results came back saying there was little to no

442
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Speaker 1: fetal DNA present. It could mean there was an issue

443
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 1: with the sample, or it could mean there was no pregnancy.

444
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: So Clayton asked the lab if they could prove that

445
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 1: Laura wasn't pregnant.

446
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 3: He goes, well, you can't really with this. In a

447
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 3: case like this, what happens is we have to retest her.

448
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 3: Here I go, and what happens if it comes back

449
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 3: little to fetal DNA again? He goes, then won't retest

450
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 3: her a third time.

451
00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: Clayton was becoming frustrated and he wanted proof, but Ravgen

452
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: couldn't provide it.

453
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 3: He goes, well, after the third test, we would tell

454
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Speaker 3: her to go to her doctor. Her doctor would conduct

455
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Speaker 3: an exam.

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00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: The problem was Laura wasn't allowing Clayton to participate in

457
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 1: any of the doctor's appointments. She said she'd made. Actually

458
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: to get technical here. A few months prior, Laura told

459
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Speaker 1: Clayton she'd had an ultrasound done and she said she

460
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 1: had the image, but that she would only show it

461
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: to him if he met her in person. He didn't

462
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: want any further communication with her, and he definitely didn't

463
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: want to see her in person. Clayton felt like he

464
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 1: was out of options. The paternity test wasn't the definitive

465
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 1: end that he expected it to be. He couldn't prove

466
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: that Laura wasn't pregnant, but he was desperate to bring

467
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: this scandal to an end. Clayton decided to take to

468
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 1: social media and announce the ravgen results that there was

469
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 1: little to no fetal DNA found in Laura's sample.

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Speaker 3: I can't say she's not pregnant because I was like,

471
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 3: that would technically be a lie based on what I

472
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 3: was just told. I'm going to say it in a

473
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 3: way that sounds so confident that like it's over. That

474
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 3: was the whole point. I'm going online and I'm going

475
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 3: on with everything that I got.

476
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Speaker 1: At this point, he was desperate, rabbit even for the

477
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: public to believe him. Here's what he posted.

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Speaker 16: Listen, it's Friday, and you know what we need on

479
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 16: a Friday.

480
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 3: We need some good news. And who's got the good

481
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 3: news today? I got the good news.

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Speaker 16: What's that good news, Clayton? Well, test results came back

483
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 16: early and they said little to no fetal DNA presence.

484
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Speaker 3: Let's go, baby. We knew. I knew that was going

485
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Speaker 3: to happen. Thankfully, five months of torture can finally be

486
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 3: put to rest.

487
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Speaker 1: Clayton's celebratory tone here may seem off putting. I asked

488
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: him why he sounded almost enthusiastic in this VI because

489
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: it's my impression that he was at a breaking point.

490
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: He told me that it was an intentional performance. He'd

491
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: given himself this pep talk before filming the video.

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Speaker 3: You need to make this seem like you are one

493
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 3: thousand percent confident that it's done. It's over. Hey, thanks

494
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 3: everybody for falling along. Glad we got this put to rest.

495
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 3: Everyone have a great day. We're done.

496
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Speaker 1: For a moment, it seems like the video worked.

497
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 3: Everybody was like, congratulations, I'm so happy this is over with,

498
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 3: like I won and the public eye it's over.

499
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: But if you've learned anything about Laura by now, you

500
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: know this was far from over. Her response to the

501
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 1: video was quick. First, she filed a restraining order, and,

502
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: unlike Clayton's, hers was immediately granted. A hearing was set

503
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: for the next month. Now she and Clayton had dueling

504
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: restraining orders, but hers had been given urgency status, likely

505
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: due to the very real precedent of women needing emergency

506
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: protection in cases of domestic violence. Then, Laura demanded that

507
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: Clayton removed the video under threat of a lawsuit. She

508
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: followed that up with another call to the Scottsdale.

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00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 3: Police Scots Please, Hi, my name is Owens.

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00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 13: I got an order for tectis granted a couple of

511
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 13: hours ago, and the person's already violated the order. The

512
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 13: judge that I could call is okay.

513
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 17: Well, it only happens once they've been served. Have they

514
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 17: been served?

515
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 6: No?

516
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 13: But he he said that I could call before and

517
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 13: if I had a copy of it, and I do

518
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 13: have a copy, but.

519
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 17: It doesn't it doesn't go into effect and till that

520
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 17: person's been served the order.

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00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 6: Oh okay.

522
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,360
Speaker 1: Even though she'd just filed for an order of protection.

523
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: Laura began contacting Clayton again the same day she made

524
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: that call to the police. She sent him more than

525
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: ten emails. One of them was particular gularly notable. It

526
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: contained a video of an ultrasound. This was something Clayton

527
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: had been asking her to send for months. Then a

528
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: few days later, Laura sent a photo of another ultrasound,

529
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: but the photo looked strikingly different from the video. Most notably,

530
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: the photo shows a pregnancy with a single baby. The

531
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: video shows a twin pregnancy. This is where things get confusing.

532
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: Even though these were the first ultrasounds Laura had sent

533
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: him directly, it wasn't the first one Clayton had seen

534
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: a few months earlier, he'd been on a zoom call

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00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: with Laura's attorney, who was sharing her screen. Clayton took

536
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: a screenshot of the page that supposedly showed Laura's six

537
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: week ultrasound of twins. It was the only image he

538
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: had until these new ones showed up in his inbox.

539
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: There's something else about these ultrasound images. Clayton and his

540
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: lawyers weren't the only ones to receive them. By this point,

541
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: Laura was in constant contact with content creators like Reality

542
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: Steve and Dave Neil. Laura was aggressively refuting their coverage

543
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: and sending them what she claimed was proof. Here's Reality Steve.

544
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 5: Here are three reasons I'm going to prove to you

545
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 5: that I'm pregnant. One was a note from her neurologist.

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00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 5: Neurologist last ill, my check. Neurologists don't deliver babies. The

547
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 5: second thing was an ultrasound, and then the third thing

548
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 5: was a picture of her in the mirror with a

549
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 5: baby bump.

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00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: Laura sent the video ultrasound evidence to Reality Steve, an

551
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: audio only podcaster, yet notably bypassed Dave Neil, one of

552
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: the creators who actually specializes in video content. Dave Neil

553
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:56,719
Speaker 1: is going to pick up the story.

554
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 7: Steve and I we go way back, and then of

555
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,959
Speaker 7: course your boy gets a copy of it and we

556
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 7: analyze it.

557
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,239
Speaker 4: And this ultrasound. I would have believed this was a

558
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 4: real ultrasound.

559
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 7: It was the nurses, the professionals in our community when

560
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 7: we shared the ultrasound that said, oh no, no, no, no,

561
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 7: the header is all off. She messed her name up right.

562
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 7: It didn't say Owen's Comma Laura. It said Laura Owens.

563
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 7: That was a gigantic red flag. The one thing we

564
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 7: can all agree on is that in the medical world,

565
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 7: it's all standardized. Now, there might be different brands of ultrasounds,

566
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 7: different medical equipment, but she sent us a video of

567
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 7: an ultrasound and the timecode wasn't moving, so in her

568
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 7: I don't know, photoshopping, she was able to insert her name.

569
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 7: So technically, the pixels, the color, the font, perfect replicas.

570
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 4: The flaws come in from user error.

571
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: Dave's audience knows what they're doing. They were the first

572
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: online sluice on this case. They traced Laura's ultrasound video

573
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: back to its original source video posted six years prior

574
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: by an ultrasound company for everyone following the case online.

575
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: This discovery was a bombshell, but they hardly had time

576
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: to process it because Laura was sending even more quote

577
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: unquote proof of her pregnancy to content creators like Dave Neil.

578
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 7: I have a video of what Laura claims is her

579
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 7: father in a hospital bed, in a hospital gown, rubbing

580
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 7: Laura's belly.

581
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 4: This ends the conversation. If it's real.

582
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: This video clearly shows Laura's father, Ron Owens. I've seen

583
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: a copy of it. Ron is a public figure. He's recognizable.

584
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: But to Dave, several things about the video seemed off.

585
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 7: It is a video with no sound, which, first of all,

586
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 7: is a super red flag. When was the last time

587
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 7: you recorded an iPhone video and turned the sound off?

588
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: Laura sent the same video to Clayton again after she'd

589
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: filed the risk training order against him.

590
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 3: It was blatantly obvious that it's not her because the

591
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 3: videos lily cut off so you can't see above the neck.

592
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 3: That was what was so odd about it and why

593
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 3: it instantly flagged me, and I'm like, this isn't you.

594
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 3: This is ridiculous, Like I can't believe you just sent

595
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 3: this to me.

596
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: As Dave and his audience did more digging, they developed

597
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: a theory that could explain the hospital room video.

598
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 7: I find out that last year Laura's sister was pregnant,

599
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 7: and then my alarms go full siren mode. It's my

600
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 7: belief she's faking a pregnancy and using her sister's real

601
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 7: pregnancy as cover.

602
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: Dave even reached out to Laura's sister, Sarah to try

603
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: to set the record straight.

604
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 7: I've received no comment. Nobody in that inner circle would talk.

605
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: Laura could no longer control the narrative when she initially

606
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: reached out to the tabloids asking them to cover her story.

607
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: I don't think she anticipated that she herself would be

608
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: scrutinized in the public eye. I don't think she imagined

609
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: that the online sleuths would analyze her videos frame by frame.

610
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: But what had begun as an online discourse was about

611
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: to enter.

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00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 6: The courtroom, and how that along are you are you figure?

613
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 3: Today?

614
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 6: In the perspective pregnancy?

615
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 9: I am twenty four weeks long.

616
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: By October, Clayton and Laura both had filed restraining orders

617
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: against the other. Technically, Clayton filed an injunction against harassment,

618
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: which is what you file when it's a stranger harassing you.

619
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: And yes, he said he did that to be petty,

620
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: but it functions nearly the same as a restraining order.

621
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: Over a period of a week, they would both be

622
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Speaker 1: in court for their restraining order hearings.

623
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Speaker 3: All right, thank you, maybe peta.

624
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,719
Speaker 1: Laura attended the first hearing virtually with her lawyer present

625
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: in the courtroom. Clayton appeared pro sae, meaning he represented himself.

626
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: He didn't have the cash on hand to hire Woodnik,

627
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: the lawyer he'd been connected with.

628
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 3: I walk in there and I have my briefcase. I

629
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 3: printed off all these documents and I'm like, this is

630
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:21,439
Speaker 3: my time.

631
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: Laura was on zoom, standing up in front of the camera.

632
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: She looked very pregnant. She told the court she was

633
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 1: six months long. In the video of this hearing, it

634
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: looks like she's wearing a nude, long sleeved body suit

635
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: underneath her tank top. It was widely speculated online that

636
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: she could be wearing a fake pregnant belly.

637
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 3: For hearing the matter of Clayton Eckhart.

638
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 17: Ecker Sorry versus Our Ellen sisus CB two zero two

639
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 17: three zero five three nine five two will begin by

640
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 17: having alone state their name, Jack, if your name.

641
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: Once the hearing got underway, Clayton quickly realized he might

642
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: be in over his head.

643
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 3: I have no idea like how the court runs. So

644
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 3: I'm over here and I'm raising my hand at points.

645
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 3: The judge is like, very kind to me. I'm like, Jade,

646
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 3: what are you doing here without a lawyer.

647
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: Ultimately, Clayton did a pretty good job of representing himself,

648
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 1: but there was one small problem.

649
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 7: Dave Neil explains, Laura's attorney tried to hand Clayton a

650
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 7: USB drive of information and Clayton goes, I don't have

651
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 7: a laptop with me. I wasn't prepared for this, and

652
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 7: the judge gave Clayton the best gift in the world.

653
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 7: The judge said, We're gonna pause this and we'll come

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00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 7: back a week later.

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Speaker 1: And as the judge was looking for a date on

656
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Speaker 1: the calendar to continue the hearing, Laura piped in over zoom.

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00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: What you're about to hear is the courtroom audio from

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Speaker 1: this moment.

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Speaker 9: Your honor.

660
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 10: Is it possible for me to show Clayton that I

661
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Speaker 10: am in fact pregnant because he hasn't seen me.

662
00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: No Laura had been showing the camera her belly the

663
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Speaker 1: whole time.

664
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Speaker 7: When you kind of really read between the lines, see

665
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 7: that she's standing for ninety minutes, she's I got a

666
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 7: standing desk. She continues to reframe things so that it

667
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 7: shows to belly.

668
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: Right after the hearing was adjourned.

669
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 3: I get a text from Dave Neil and he's like, hey,

670
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 3: you do good there, And I was like what.

671
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 4: He's like, wait, you were in there, and I was like, bubba,

672
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 4: we all were in there.

673
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: Clayton didn't realize it, but this hearing had been live streamed.

674
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: Thousands of strangers who'd become interested in this case had

675
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: been watching it live.

676
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 7: That was the most watched family court case in that

677
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 7: county's history.

678
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 1: Probably word of the live stream had reached Reddit, where

679
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 1: the links circulated rapidly, drawing a massive crowd of eager viewers.

680
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 4: So was at that moment where I said, Clayton, we

681
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 4: got to help you.

682
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: The help Clayton needed was legal representation, but at the

683
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: time he couldn't afford it. Dave and his online community

684
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: were ready to jump in.

685
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 7: I said to Clayton, let me know when I can

686
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 7: turn on this GoFundMe everyone wants to support you, and

687
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 7: Clayton had a lot of pride.

688
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 4: He didn't want to ask for help he needed it.

689
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: After some back and forth, Clayton agreed to let Dave

690
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: Neil crowd fund for his legal fees. Overnight, they raised

691
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: enough money to cover the rest of his proceedings. But

692
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: things were moving faster than Clayton could keep up with,

693
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: because the very next day he and Laura were both

694
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: doing court again for Laura's restraining order hearing against Clayton.

695
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: Since it had been less than twenty four hours, Clayton

696
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 1: was still representing himself, and this time Laura appeared in person.

697
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: She wore a black and white striped sweater that highlighted

698
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: her visible pregnancy. The central point during this hearing was

699
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: a specific photograph of Laura that had surfaced on Reddit.

700
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: A photo of her had been turned in to one

701
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: of those Halloween costume memes, and Laura was offended by

702
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: it again. This is audio from their hearing. It starts

703
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: with Laura talking.

704
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 18: So Exhibit eleven is a screen grab of a Reddit

705
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 18: thread saying how to win the Scariest costume Contest? And

706
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 18: it's me turned showing my stomach and it's me holding

707
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 18: a sonogram of our son.

708
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 9: That only he had possession of.

709
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 10: So he clearly made this up of me, which obviously

710
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 10: was offensive.

711
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: Whoever made this meme photoshopped the sonogram in as if

712
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: Laura was holding it. Laura testified that Clayton was the

713
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,479
Speaker 1: only recipient of the sonogram, implying he was the only

714
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: one who could have posted this meme. However, multiple sources

715
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: have told me they saw the sonogram in the drop

716
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: box folder of evidence Laura posted on rede it. I

717
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: can't confirm that because the link has since been deleted,

718
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 1: but Clayton denies that he posted the Halloween meme. Furthermore,

719
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: in my opinion, the possibility remained that Laura could have

720
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: fabricated the post herself. Despite these inconsistencies, the judge ultimately

721
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: ruled in Laura's favor.

722
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 19: She said, you're the only person that she sent it to.

723
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 19: I realize it's possible that she could have sent it

724
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 19: to somebody else who could have published it, and then

725
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 19: I have to decide which she really want to do

726
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 19: that because it's not the most flattering picture that obviously,

727
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 19: when a person's pregnant, you know their body changes and

728
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 19: It's something that I don't believe that she would have

729
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 19: wanted to share, and this depiction not only showed her,

730
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 19: but it was poking fun at her.

731
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: The judge claimed the photo of Laura was so unflattering

732
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: that she would not have sent it to anyone else

733
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: or posted it anywhere. It was mind blowing for me

734
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: to hear this from a judge, but that was his

735
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 1: final decision, and on October twenty fifth, twenty twenty three,

736
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 1: Laura was successfully granted an order of protection against Clayton.

737
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: As Clayton prepared for his follow uppearing the next week,

738
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: he utilized the funds from Dave Neil's audience to retain

739
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: professional legal representation.

740
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 7: We were hoping to get him the attorney that could

741
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 7: crack this thing. And of course that's Greg Woodnick. I

742
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 7: mean Greg Woodnick. He knew the game plan.

743
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: He knew the game plan because he had represented the

744
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: other victim of Laura Owens a couple years prior. But

745
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: because of what he knew, he wasn't immediately ready to

746
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: jump back in. Here's Woodnick.

747
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 15: I was feeling really bad because I knew what he

748
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 15: was about to go through. I was remembering what had

749
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 15: happened with greg. I was remembering what I had learned

750
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 15: at that point, and I didn't really want to get

751
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 15: involved with her again.

752
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 1: While the weight of the decision took a toll on him,

753
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 1: he was supported by the expertise of Deandra Arena, a

754
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: fellow family law attorney.

755
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 15: At some point, DeAndre walks into my office and she

756
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 15: says to me, are you sure you don't want to

757
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 15: help him?

758
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 3: I said, no, I'm not sure I.

759
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 15: Don't want to help him. I do, and I also

760
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 15: realize what is happening to him and how bad it is,

761
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 15: and I think at that point DeAndre said to me,

762
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 15: what if I help him? And I said seriously, and

763
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 15: she said yeah. She said, what if I just help

764
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 15: him with the balance of this protective order thing? We

765
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 15: just represent him kind of one and done. Let me

766
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 15: go in there and help him clean this mess up.

767
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: Here's Deandra.

768
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 11: I said, listen, I think we all know that she

769
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 11: needs to be cross examined by a woman who understands

770
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 11: the ins and outs of pregnancy. And I had been

771
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 11: recently pregnant, so I'm happy to do it.

772
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 4: I can do this.

773
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 3: We'll just do this.

774
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 11: One case, this one injunction against her ask me hearing

775
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 11: and will be.

776
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 15: Out and I said, have at it, and so I

777
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 15: think at that point DeAndre and I agreed to represent Clayton,

778
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 15: but DeAndre was going to handle the hearing and she

779
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 15: did did a wonderful job.

780
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: For their third hearing, Laura appeared virtually once again, though

781
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: this time her pregnancy was not visible on camera and

782
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: she wore a black turtleneck. Clayton appeared in the courtroom

783
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 1: with his new attorney, Deandra.

784
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 11: I remember thinking, how do I make this clear? Like,

785
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 11: what is the one point that I can make for

786
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 11: another woman or even a man who has had a

787
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 11: pregnant sister or wife, whatever, who's been through that process

788
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 11: to really understand this is weird.

789
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: When Laura got on the stand, Deandra wasted no time

790
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 1: immediately questioning Laura regarding the current status of her pregnancy and.

791
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 6: How that along are you as you stay here today

792
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 6: in the perspective pregnancy.

793
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 9: I am twenty four weeks a long.

794
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 1: Laura's testimony here would later become incredibly important.

795
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 6: Can you please provide us with your alleged duty.

796
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 9: February fourteenth, I've we.

797
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 6: Sit here today not a single DNA test had come

798
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 6: back indicating that Clayton's the father.

799
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 10: Correct, The samples were diluted, and I'm going back next month, is.

800
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 6: Answer, no question. It's a very simple question. I've leaved

801
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 6: it here today. You have no DNA test that indicates

802
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 6: that Clayton is the father, right.

803
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 10: The results the testing is ongoing, is what I was told,

804
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 10: as was Clayton.

805
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: In the video of this hearing, you can see Laura

806
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: visibly chugging a Monster Energy drink. If that was what

807
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: was actually in the can. It has one hundred and

808
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: sixty milligrams of caffeine. That stood out to Dave Neil.

809
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 4: My wife's pregnant.

810
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 7: I'm making my wife DCAF coffee at most a couple

811
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 7: milligrams here and there. You're not supposed to have caffeine.

812
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 7: It even says it on the label of Monster, like

813
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 7: don't drink this if you're pregnant.

814
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 1: The scope of this hearing was not to verify Laura's pregnancy. Rather,

815
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: the burden of proof rested on Clayton to demonstrate that

816
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: she had been harassing him. With this objective in mind,

817
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: Deandrew continued her cross examination.

818
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 6: Mister Eckert told you he didn't want you contacting him

819
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 6: anymore and then would block your telephone number.

820
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 9: Correct, but told me to email him.

821
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 6: Nick Owen either yes or no question. Isn't it true

822
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 6: that mister Eckert indicated he did not want me contacting

823
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 6: him anymore and then would block your telephone number.

824
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 9: Actually, that's incorrect.

825
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: It's slow going just getting Laura to acknowledge the messages

826
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: she sent to Clayton.

827
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 6: And here MTh Owens. On May twenty twenty three, Clayton

828
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 6: said to you, I'm debating buying a police report. Please

829
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 6: leave me alone.

830
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 9: Correct, The context needs to be stated.

831
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 10: He did not make I am at a dollar no question,

832
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 10: and he was founded by he will have a time

833
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 10: of ask.

834
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 6: Your question again this one. So just answer her question

835
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 6: and your attorney will ask an opportunity to question you again.

836
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: With every question, Laura's agitation becomes increasingly apparent. I ask

837
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: Deandra what it was like to cross examine Laura.

838
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 8: There are times where I remind her that these are

839
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 8: yes or no questions, and you can tell that you

840
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 8: know she's not an easy witness to cross examine candidly.

841
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: As the hearing continues, Laura is visibly rolling her eyes, sighing,

842
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: shaking her head laughing and throwing her head back.

843
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 11: I've done a lot of bench trials.

844
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:46,919
Speaker 8: I don't recall seeing her reaction like that more than

845
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 8: maybe one or two other times.

846
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: Then it came time for closing arguments. Here's Deandre's audio

847
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:55,280
Speaker 1: from the hearing.

848
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 6: She's not being truthful today, and my client was fearful

849
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 6: of what else she's capable of. He's asking that this

850
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 6: court recognized that he has done everything to handle this appropriately.

851
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 6: He has begged and pleaded with her to stop contacting him.

852
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 6: There is no reason for these two to have communication.

853
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 6: Despite what Miss Owens will say regarding his alleged pregnancy,

854
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 6: there is no proven pregnancy at this point. So we

855
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 6: are asking that this court finds that she has harassed

856
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 6: mister Eckert from May of twenty twenty three up until

857
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 6: today's date. And we're asking that the court finds that

858
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 6: the injunction against harassment needs to be ordered and maintained.

859
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: When the judge finally gave her ruling.

860
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 17: As I say that when we first started this hearing,

861
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 17: I'm not making a determination as to whether or not

862
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 17: she is pregnant or not. The communications that I have

863
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 17: a lot of concerns with are the ones where she's

864
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 17: trying to make offers to him to continue a relationship

865
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 17: that she is trying to facilitate if you do this

866
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 17: and I'll give you this. Those kinds of messages are

867
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 17: of the nature that are harassing and can be viewed

868
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 17: as annoying or harassing. There are a number of threats

869
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 17: to go to the media, which were other additional attempts

870
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 17: to try to use the media as manipulation or the

871
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 17: threat to go to the media as manipulation, and I

872
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 17: find those to be alarming, annoying, her harassing. So I

873
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 17: am going to grant the injunction at this time. Faction

874
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 17: is going to prevent any communication outside of the legal process.

875
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: As Clayton walked out of the courtroom, he repeatedly thanked

876
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: his lawyer Deandra.

877
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 3: We end up winning, she won for me, and she's like, Clayton,

878
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 3: hopefully this is like the end of it. Frenalogly, she's

879
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 3: not going to be able to bother you anymore. So

880
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 3: I was like, thank you. It should be quiet from

881
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 3: here now, and if it's not, she'll get arrested.

882
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: Given everything you've learned about Laura so far, you're probably

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Speaker 1: expecting her to continue her relentless pursuit of Clayton. Instead,

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Speaker 1: she felt uncharacteristically silent, a stillness that proved to be

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Speaker 1: even more unsettling than the noise. In the silence, this

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Speaker 1: scandal would take on a new dimension. Hundreds, even thousands

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Speaker 1: more strangers would get involved, and they would uncover so

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Speaker 1: much more about Laura Owens.

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Speaker 7: Good morning everybody in our featured story, bachelor Clayton eckered

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Speaker 7: and the lady that accused him of being the father

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Speaker 7: of her unborn twins.

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Speaker 1: Who would make this up? Well, Laura Owens, that's who

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Speaker 1: would make it up. My money was on U nine

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Speaker 1: one one phone call. She was going to be in

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Speaker 1: an ambulance on the way to the hospital, and I

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Speaker 1: was right.

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Speaker 7: I'm sent all of this from Reddit community, from people

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Speaker 7: in my audience. They find this stuff before I even can't.

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Speaker 9: This is the greatest program in the history of YouTube.

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Speaker 9: It was like the smoking gun of the entire case

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Speaker 9: discovered live.

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Speaker 4: Reddits were getting taken down.

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Speaker 13: She's so screwed because people are watching and they're not

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Speaker 13: going to allow it to happen.

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Speaker 7: And if he wasn't famous enough to have a Sun

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Speaker 7: article written about him, she would have gotten away with it.

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Speaker 4: A thousand percent tic.

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