WEBVTT - Will Justice Be Served?

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wika EPI Daily with

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<v Speaker 1>Meet your Girl Danielle Moody once again recording from the

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<v Speaker 1>Brooklyn Bunker. Folks, it is now the second week of

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<v Speaker 1>January that we are entering into day ten of the

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<v Speaker 1>new year, and like I reported at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>last week or at least the middle of last week

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<v Speaker 1>with our friend doctor Jonathan Metzel, the mainstream news has

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<v Speaker 1>decided to start reporting on the same thing, which is

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<v Speaker 1>the variant that we said last week was discovered in

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<v Speaker 1>Greece referred to as what delta cron, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>combo effect of the delta variant and omicron. Now, initially

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<v Speaker 1>there was one case that was reported in Israel, is

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<v Speaker 1>the same place that reported the first case of flu rona.

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<v Speaker 1>Israel is also the place where they are beginning to

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<v Speaker 1>administer the fourth booster shot, where many of the world,

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<v Speaker 1>much of the world. You have to remember, as we

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<v Speaker 1>are talking about booster shots and vaccine rollouts and all

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<v Speaker 1>of these things, that Israel is on its fourth shot,

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<v Speaker 1>where many parts of the world still haven't received their first.

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<v Speaker 1>That is how imbalanced, how unjust the vaccine rollout has

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<v Speaker 1>been around the world. I digress though, because here we

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<v Speaker 1>are now just a couple of days pasted our conversation

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<v Speaker 1>that we had with Jonathan where we brought up these

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<v Speaker 1>two new words that I said that I did not

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<v Speaker 1>want to learn, delta con and fleur rona. And now

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<v Speaker 1>we have cases of fleur rona since that initial reporting

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<v Speaker 1>that have been discovered in the United States. And now

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<v Speaker 1>we have more cases of deltacron which has now been

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<v Speaker 1>discovered in Greece on the island of Cyprus. Now why

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<v Speaker 1>does this matter? Because the reality is that we are

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<v Speaker 1>very far. If you're listening to all of the doctors

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<v Speaker 1>for the last couple of weeks, as the beginning of

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<v Speaker 1>this surge has come, and we are we don't even

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<v Speaker 1>know where we are. I mean, that's the reality is that, folks.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta tell you, Like, first of all, I'm wearing

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<v Speaker 1>no makeup today because I have a allergy that I

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<v Speaker 1>have developed to my makeup. And maybe it's just COVID

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that I haven't worn makeup in such a

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<v Speaker 1>long time when we were in lockdown that now when

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<v Speaker 1>I do, my skin starts to break out if I

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<v Speaker 1>don't take it off immediately right after I put it on.

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<v Speaker 1>Very odd. Nonetheless, why do I say all these things?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I just have to take a pause as I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking about these two new variants, and some days, I

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<v Speaker 1>got to tell you, some days feel more normal than others.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I think that it's important to name

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<v Speaker 1>these things because we all keep being forced, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>by the virtue of work, by the virtue of capitalism,

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<v Speaker 1>by the virtue of you know, the CDC that is

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<v Speaker 1>not really about protecting our public health but really about

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<v Speaker 1>getting people back in the workplace or making sure that

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<v Speaker 1>they never leave. To really wrap our minds around what's

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<v Speaker 1>happening right now and what what what the fuck is

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<v Speaker 1>really happening. What's happening is that we are living in

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<v Speaker 1>a global health pandemic that the world has not that

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<v Speaker 1>our world governments have not gotten a fucking hold of

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<v Speaker 1>that because of coming out of the gate and making

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<v Speaker 1>this a political issue, whether it was attacking the Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>like the Trump administration did, and whether or not the

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese government is at fault for how soon they flag

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<v Speaker 1>the initial alpha variant back in twenty twenty to the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows and at this point, who fucking cares? Right,

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<v Speaker 1>because we have mutated, we have had so many other

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<v Speaker 1>variants since then. And here we are at the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of December. We just learned about amicron. We are in

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<v Speaker 1>week two, just beginning week two of twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 1>and we are talking about not one, but two new variants.

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<v Speaker 1>Now for the mainstream media, who is doing not the

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<v Speaker 1>best fucking job of one keeping people's anxiety down and

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<v Speaker 1>two weaving through the bullshit in a way that makes

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<v Speaker 1>people feel like they can come to you for information.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact is we are very fa are from COVID

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<v Speaker 1>becoming endemic, meaning that more people will become infected, more

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<v Speaker 1>people will sadly die right before this becomes like the

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<v Speaker 1>common cold or the flu. Right. And the fact is

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<v Speaker 1>what is keeping me up and the reason why I

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<v Speaker 1>am back in the Brooklyn bunker, and I recognize this.

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<v Speaker 1>I was having this conversation the other day with a

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<v Speaker 1>friend of mine, and I said, New York is very

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<v Speaker 1>different in terms of how New Yorkers, and I think,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly people in the city, which are very different than

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<v Speaker 1>the fucking people that I grew up with on Long Island. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So New York City was the epicenter in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>for COVID, Right, We're the epicenter for omicron, Right, We're

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<v Speaker 1>the epicenter for everything by virtue of the millions of

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<v Speaker 1>millions of people that live here in such a small space, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So things that will come are going to come here

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<v Speaker 1>because of our international and transit community as well as

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<v Speaker 1>those you know, the cramped spaces in terms of like

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<v Speaker 1>there's not a lot of landmasks and there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people, and so things are going to a communicable disease, right,

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<v Speaker 1>is going to spread like fucking gangbusters in an area

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<v Speaker 1>as densely populated as New York City. And so I

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<v Speaker 1>say that to say that there is a deep post

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<v Speaker 1>traumatic stress from twenty twenty of the early days of lockdown,

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<v Speaker 1>when all you heard on the streets of New York

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<v Speaker 1>City were sirens, were ambulances there. Every business was closed down,

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<v Speaker 1>everything was shut down. All the iconic areas that you're

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<v Speaker 1>used to seeing in movies and on television that are

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<v Speaker 1>you know, runam up with tourists and New York as alike,

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<v Speaker 1>were eerily quiet, right empty. And so I can always

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<v Speaker 1>tell how things are trending with the virus by virtue

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<v Speaker 1>of just being in New York over the summer right

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<v Speaker 1>in spring and summer of twenty twenty one, there was

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<v Speaker 1>this feeling we had become newly vaccinated. There was this

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<v Speaker 1>feeling that life was beginning to return to the city,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean life had continued to churn. Right, There

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<v Speaker 1>are millions of people that are here. There are thousands

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<v Speaker 1>that left, right, The wealthy left, and they left for

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<v Speaker 1>their summer homes or their winter homes and got rid

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<v Speaker 1>of their New York City homes. And then there was

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<v Speaker 1>this like small little bubble, and now right, rent is

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<v Speaker 1>back skyrocketing, as well as mortgages and all of these things.

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<v Speaker 1>But you can always tell how things are trending when

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<v Speaker 1>I walk out of my apartment, when I'm walking around

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<v Speaker 1>my neighborhood. In the spring and summer, there was this

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<v Speaker 1>sense that we were going to be able to return

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<v Speaker 1>to a new normal, right, a new abnormal where you

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<v Speaker 1>could walk into a restaurant and now not only did

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<v Speaker 1>you need to have reservations, but you also need to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to show proof of vaccination, and that you

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<v Speaker 1>were only going to be able to eat inside and

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<v Speaker 1>go to the gym, and go get your haircut and

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<v Speaker 1>go to certain places if in fact, you had proof

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<v Speaker 1>of vaccination in other places obviously, like the supermarket, pharmacies

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<v Speaker 1>and what have you. Doesn't matter, you're not sitting down

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<v Speaker 1>at a table, opening up, taking off your mask and

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<v Speaker 1>having droplets everywhere. But I had noticed that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we had gotten to a place where New York City's

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<v Speaker 1>vaccination rates were so high that folks felt like they

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<v Speaker 1>could take off their mass when they were walking down

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<v Speaker 1>the street and kind of like not scoot to the

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<v Speaker 1>other side of the sidewalk, which is really fucking difficult

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<v Speaker 1>to do in some very busy parts of the Burrows.

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<v Speaker 1>But as as like this this surge as winter began

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<v Speaker 1>to come, as the seasons began to change, and we

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<v Speaker 1>went from summer into fall, and then in early winter,

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<v Speaker 1>it was like I started to see people wearing their

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<v Speaker 1>masks again. Outside. I started to see the outdoor dining

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<v Speaker 1>places still really full, right, but then now starting to

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<v Speaker 1>weed out one because it's colder, but because two people

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<v Speaker 1>in New York are self are putting together a self

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<v Speaker 1>imposed lockdown for the privilege that we're supposed to return

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<v Speaker 1>to work or their jobs completely changed, and now they're

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<v Speaker 1>just totally remote, right, Like they're just staying home and

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<v Speaker 1>you're seeing as you're walking around. You know, the regular

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<v Speaker 1>shops are open obviously, but like the restaurants aren't as full,

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<v Speaker 1>and people are back to wearing their full masks on

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<v Speaker 1>the street and giving each other space right as you're walking.

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<v Speaker 1>That to me tells us this is far from being

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<v Speaker 1>fucking endemic. Right now. We have these seasons of death

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<v Speaker 1>in this country, and that's just something that is so

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<v Speaker 1>mind boggling that for the past two years we've been

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<v Speaker 1>turning on cable news and watching a death ticker. Just

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<v Speaker 1>think about that for a fucking moment, right And the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that it has become so normalized that we just

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<v Speaker 1>talk about, well, fifteen hundred people died today or six

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<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand people are infected today. The things that have

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<v Speaker 1>become normalized in the last two years are so goddamn

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<v Speaker 1>unsettling that there are some days and moments like this

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<v Speaker 1>past weekend, where I just sit back and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>what the fuck does the end look like? Right? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>can we even begin to imagine what the end could

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<v Speaker 1>possibly look like? When we are smack dab in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of an incredible surge where everybody wants to continue

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<v Speaker 1>to tell us that you know, don't worry. The symptoms

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<v Speaker 1>are mild and blah blah. Yet our hospitals are at

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<v Speaker 1>a breaking point, some are breaking right. And now we

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<v Speaker 1>have two new goddamn variants, Delta cron and flew RONA.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm just like, is this how we all go out? Like?

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a comment, It's not Aliens right like it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not the movie The Day After Tomorrow when there's

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<v Speaker 1>the flood and the storm and everything and it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>perfect chaos at one time? Is it? This? Is it

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<v Speaker 1>that we're just all sitting around back, you know, self

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<v Speaker 1>sheltered on pins and needles, waiting for them to make

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<v Speaker 1>the announcement that oh, here's the super of super variants

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<v Speaker 1>that now evades all the fucking vaccines, all of the boosters.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't touch shit, you can't go outside, and like

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<v Speaker 1>this is it? I just, you know, sometimes I really

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<v Speaker 1>look around. I look around my own apartment, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think about how much life has changed. I think about

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<v Speaker 1>how normal it is now to you know, instead of

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<v Speaker 1>make phone calls, you're on face time with people, right like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just hop on a zoom And how having folks

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<v Speaker 1>in your home much like you guys are right now

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<v Speaker 1>in my living room has become the norm. I remember

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<v Speaker 1>watching sci fi movies and seeing people. You know, we

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<v Speaker 1>don't have the holograms, that's not popping up in our homes.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you look at technology, when you look at

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<v Speaker 1>the way that this pandemic has changed the way that

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<v Speaker 1>we fundamentally relate with one another, right, Like when you

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<v Speaker 1>can say, hey, friend, do you want to do a

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<v Speaker 1>happy hour? And they're like ooh, virtual or in person?

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<v Speaker 1>Like we were not saying that in twenty nineteen, twenty eighteen. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>we move into the twenty twenties, into this new decade,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is a new It's like one new crisis

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<v Speaker 1>after the other. And I think sometime we're just trying

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<v Speaker 1>our best to get by, to make do that it's

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<v Speaker 1>even too much for us to allow our minds to

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<v Speaker 1>think about how drastically fucking different everything is now, And

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<v Speaker 1>I say take a pause because it's overwhelming. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, damn, today is January tenth, It is ten

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<v Speaker 1>days into this new year, and we have two new variants?

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<v Speaker 1>What the fuck is it going to look like in

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<v Speaker 1>the spring? Now? The good news, right, the good news

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<v Speaker 1>is this is that what I believe. And I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>a doctor or a scientist, and I don't pretend to

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<v Speaker 1>be one. I just pretend to be somebody that, like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, analyzes the world and looks at it through

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<v Speaker 1>a multiple of different perspectives. And what I am seeing,

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<v Speaker 1>at least, what the last two years is showing us, right,

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<v Speaker 1>is that we are going to have these seasons of

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<v Speaker 1>death where life is going to feel somewhat renewed and

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<v Speaker 1>refreshed and normal, right, And I use heavy quotations with that,

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<v Speaker 1>and normal for a couple of months, right, roughly probably

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<v Speaker 1>from April until you know, until the beginning of the

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<v Speaker 1>Thanksgiving Christmas holiday mash up. So you'll have April, May, June, July, August, September, October,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll have, right roughly like half the year that seems

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<v Speaker 1>relatively normal. You'll go out to eat, you'll you know,

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<v Speaker 1>eat outside, you'll see more people, and then we will

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<v Speaker 1>have these seasons where for three to four months, for

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<v Speaker 1>those of us who genuinely follow science and believe doctors

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, and want to preserve as much as

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<v Speaker 1>we can our own physical emotional health and wellbeing will

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<v Speaker 1>probably self sequester for those months right where it's you're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to go out, You're not going to go

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<v Speaker 1>to the new restaurant and eat indoors. And it is

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<v Speaker 1>fundamentally shifted how we engage, how we show up with people,

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<v Speaker 1>how we create community with people, but how we engage

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<v Speaker 1>on a day to day. And sometimes I'm just like,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to just fucking take a pause, take a beat,

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<v Speaker 1>and give ourselves credit for how adaptable we have been

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<v Speaker 1>to fucking crazy this. It is nuts. I walk out

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<v Speaker 1>of my apartment and I'm looking around and some days

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like the security that I feel that there are

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<v Speaker 1>people that at least live in my immediate community who

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<v Speaker 1>were all massed up. And of course now the other

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<v Speaker 1>thing too, is that all the masks have changed. Right

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<v Speaker 1>where we all thought we were going to be cute,

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<v Speaker 1>show parts of our personality, you know, try and add

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<v Speaker 1>some you know, bit of flare to a situation that

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<v Speaker 1>seems so dire. Well, now we're all just in K

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<v Speaker 1>ninety five mass if in fact you can afford it

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<v Speaker 1>or find them and they're not counterfeit. But it's just,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I want us to give ourselves credit for

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<v Speaker 1>how much we are adapting to times that are so

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<v Speaker 1>completely and totally out of our control, that we are

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<v Speaker 1>still going to work right where there is no relief

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<v Speaker 1>and mental health days and time to really just like gather,

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<v Speaker 1>I saw this meme and this is what prompted today's

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<v Speaker 1>show opening, you know, and it was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's supposed to be funny, right, like lighthearted, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was like, you know, the difference between you know, our

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<v Speaker 1>two cells. It's like pre twenty twenty, I used to

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<v Speaker 1>feel and this is the meme mashed up, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>like I used to be able to go to work

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<v Speaker 1>for you know, eight to nine hours, go out for

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<v Speaker 1>drinks with friends, go to a work event, circle back

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<v Speaker 1>to work the next the next day, do it all

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<v Speaker 1>over again, have commitments on the weekends, like just we

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<v Speaker 1>were moving right, we were doing things, and then they're

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<v Speaker 1>like and me today, it's like a struggle just to

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<v Speaker 1>get through, like just eight hours of work and you're

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<v Speaker 1>working from home. And while like the meme in and

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<v Speaker 1>of itself is supposed to be funny, like how much

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<v Speaker 1>we were doing versus how much we can do. But

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<v Speaker 1>what's lost in the in between of that and of

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<v Speaker 1>that translation is the fact that the weight of everything

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<v Speaker 1>has become so much right, Like we are on edge,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't think that we fully consciously are aware

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<v Speaker 1>of what that anxiety and what that stress is doing

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<v Speaker 1>to our bodies. Right. Like, sure people want to talk about, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>the COVID nineteen, talking about like weight that they have

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<v Speaker 1>put on and this, that and the other thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>weight is like not even half of it. I'm talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the emotional weight. I'm talking about some days not

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to get out of bed, not wanting to get

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<v Speaker 1>off of the couch, to go to the kitchen or

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<v Speaker 1>to go into your office or your basement or wherever

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<v Speaker 1>to go and do work, that it's so difficult to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to function and focus on rudimentary task like

0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:08.040
<v Speaker 1>everything is normal. Meanwhile, you're also glued to the headlines

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<v Speaker 1>in Twitter to make sure that we didn't go to

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<v Speaker 1>war today, to make sure that there isn't a new

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<v Speaker 1>variant that you missed, or a CDC guideline that seems

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<v Speaker 1>like bullshit, or like some far right attack or another

0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:23.640
<v Speaker 1>person being killed that you video that is circulating, or

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<v Speaker 1>some other disaster that is impending. It's all of the

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<v Speaker 1>impending doom of it all that makes us feel like

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<v Speaker 1>holy shit, just answering an email, clearing out an inbox, right,

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<v Speaker 1>getting done with one or two tasks a week now

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<v Speaker 1>feels like something we need to applaud, and frankly, we

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<v Speaker 1>fucking should because if you were to go back in time,

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<v Speaker 1>and let me tell you, I started watching this terrible

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<v Speaker 1>show on Amazon Prime and maybe you all have finished

0:19:57.320 --> 0:20:01.280
<v Speaker 1>it called Solos, and it's like a sigh by, you know,

0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:06.000
<v Speaker 1>futuristic show where each of the characters and each of

0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:10.840
<v Speaker 1>the actors it's just them for the entire episode. So

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<v Speaker 1>think about the movie Castaway with Tom Hanks and it

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<v Speaker 1>just being him and Wilson the fucking ball. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a similar type thing, but it's like very meta. Anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>I say that to say that in one of the

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<v Speaker 1>episodes that Anne Hathaway was in, she was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>jump to the future, right. She wanted to get out

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<v Speaker 1>of the present situation of her life that had her

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<v Speaker 1>mother dying and excruciating death, that had her just so

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<v Speaker 1>stressed out and depressed and miserable, and so she just

0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:47.639
<v Speaker 1>wanted to project literally come up with this coding and

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<v Speaker 1>algorithm to get herself to the future so that this

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<v Speaker 1>current reality she was existing in wouldn't be real that

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<v Speaker 1>the alternate dimension her her in the future could fix

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<v Speaker 1>her currently and that and all I kept thinking about

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<v Speaker 1>to myself is that I have those moments. I have

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<v Speaker 1>those moments nowadays where I am just like I want

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<v Speaker 1>to be projected into the future, but the future just

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't seem that bright. But I want to be projected

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<v Speaker 1>into the ending of all of this madness. And what

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<v Speaker 1>troubles me, folks, and I don't mean to start your

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<v Speaker 1>week out like this, but what troubles me is that

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if this Sometimes things don't always get better,

0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:38.000
<v Speaker 1>or sometimes better is not necessarily what we're hoping for,

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<v Speaker 1>Like we're hoping for just blanket relief and going back

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<v Speaker 1>to normal. And I don't think that we ever go

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<v Speaker 1>back to pre COVID days, right Like I even think

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<v Speaker 1>that even if things were done tomorrow, I think the scars,

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<v Speaker 1>the emotional scars of what we have all been through,

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<v Speaker 1>will persist, and we'll have forever changed. The way that

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<v Speaker 1>we interact with each other, the way that we see

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<v Speaker 1>each other, the way that we interact with work, our environment.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's forever changing, and it's changing so rapidly,

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<v Speaker 1>And so I just offered that if you feel unstable

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<v Speaker 1>some days, Like you feel goodish on a Monday, but

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<v Speaker 1>by Friday you're like, what, Like, what is this I'm

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<v Speaker 1>living in? Understand that you are not alone, that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes I do feel like we are living inside some

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<v Speaker 1>fucked up matrix right where it's like we're just all

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to pretend that everything is kumbaya, that all is well,

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<v Speaker 1>and that if you draw attention to the things that

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<v Speaker 1>are at fault or that are crazy, then you're the

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<v Speaker 1>one that's labeled. Right, Like, that's what the right is

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<v Speaker 1>doing right now with their collective gaslight of the country.

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<v Speaker 1>One six didn't happen. COVID is blown out of control,

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing wrong with the environment, the economy is solid,

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<v Speaker 1>like all is well. Right, Meanwhile they're staging a fucking

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<v Speaker 1>fascist authoritarian coup every single day, right. The stress is real.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just say to you, you know, as I

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<v Speaker 1>will remind myself to give yourself daily grace, meditate, prey, garden, walk, yoga,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it is that allows you in positive ways. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>I love cocktails. Everybody who knows me knows that I

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<v Speaker 1>am trying on a regular basis for that not to

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<v Speaker 1>be my go to exhale, which is why I have

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<v Speaker 1>a regular meditation practice, which is why I need you know.

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<v Speaker 1>This week is starting me back on my daily exercise regimen,

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<v Speaker 1>and just because it takes a lot these days to

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<v Speaker 1>keep it all together, and so it's okay when we

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<v Speaker 1>fall off, when we decide that we're not getting up

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<v Speaker 1>that day, that is fine too. I just want folks

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<v Speaker 1>to know that you are not alone in trying to

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<v Speaker 1>make sense of insanity, and that they're just sometimes you

0:24:23.840 --> 0:24:26.639
<v Speaker 1>just can't make sense of it. All you can do

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<v Speaker 1>is do what you can do to keep yourself safe,

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<v Speaker 1>those around you that you love safe and healthy, and

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<v Speaker 1>that be the success of the day, of what the

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<v Speaker 1>daily successes look like. I think that not only do

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<v Speaker 1>we need to get rid of this idea that we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be able to quote go back to normal,

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<v Speaker 1>but I also think that we need to get rid

0:24:50.000 --> 0:24:59.720
<v Speaker 1>of these predefined ideals of what success looks like, because success,

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<v Speaker 1>what success looked like for you in twenty nineteen, is

0:25:03.040 --> 0:25:05.040
<v Speaker 1>not going to be the same thing that success looks

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<v Speaker 1>like in twenty twenty two. And I think that if

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<v Speaker 1>we're honest with ourselves and the people around us about that,

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<v Speaker 1>then we'll be able to maneuver, be nimble in ways

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<v Speaker 1>that help us to not only deal with this moment,

0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:19.879
<v Speaker 1>but to find ways to thrive in it as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up next, folks, is my conversation with our good,

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<v Speaker 1>good friend Glenn Kirshner, MSNBC legal analysts and the host

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<v Speaker 1>of Justice Matters. We are going to delve into the

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<v Speaker 1>current sentences that were released for some of the seven

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<v Speaker 1>hundred plus insurrectionists that have been picked up Merritt Garland's

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<v Speaker 1>speech and what Glenn thought about that and whether not

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<v Speaker 1>this is signaling that the Justice Department actually has a

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<v Speaker 1>spine and is going to do something and much much more. Folks,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that I have been dying for my first

0:25:56.680 --> 0:26:00.679
<v Speaker 1>conversation with our next guest in the new year, Len Kirshner,

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<v Speaker 1>MSNBC analyst and the host of Justice Matters. Glenn, the

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<v Speaker 1>only person that I wanted to talk to following a g.

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<v Speaker 1>Merritt Garland's press conference on January fifth, was you. I

0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:17.160
<v Speaker 1>have been dying to hear your thoughts. I tweeted mine.

0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:22.160
<v Speaker 1>I have shared mine in many different ways. It's been

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<v Speaker 1>how many months since we've heard from Merritt Garland and

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<v Speaker 1>his Justice Department many and you know, we were anticipating

0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:35.000
<v Speaker 1>I at least was anticipating some actual news. What were

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<v Speaker 1>your thoughts on his presser, So, Danielle, Happy New Year.

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<v Speaker 1>On the one hand, I think anything short of him

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<v Speaker 1>parading Donald Trump across the stage and cuffs was going

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<v Speaker 1>to feel like a little bit of a letdown. But

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<v Speaker 1>there were three things that he said that I was

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<v Speaker 1>really happy he did say. I was I was really

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<v Speaker 1>concerned that if we out nothing more than we will

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<v Speaker 1>follow the evidence in the law wherever it leads us.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that's like saying we will breathe in and

0:27:07.800 --> 0:27:11.119
<v Speaker 1>then we will breathe out. Yet we know that. But

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<v Speaker 1>here here are the three things that he said that

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it. One, we will hold January six perpetrators

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<v Speaker 1>accountable at any level, because thus far they've been pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>We can definitely talk about some of the lenient sentences,

0:27:28.320 --> 0:27:31.760
<v Speaker 1>but they've been pretty good. Holding the folks at the

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<v Speaker 1>lowest level, on the bottom rung of the criminal ladder,

0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:40.119
<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump's foot soldiers of the insurrection. They've been holding

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<v Speaker 1>them accountable by the hundreds, but they haven't held anybody

0:27:43.880 --> 0:27:46.760
<v Speaker 1>accountable in the middle level or in the upper level

0:27:47.200 --> 0:27:51.399
<v Speaker 1>of of the criminal ladder. So I'm glad we heard

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<v Speaker 1>we will hold people accountable at any level. I'm also

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<v Speaker 1>glad I heard that we will hold people accountable whether

0:27:58.280 --> 0:28:02.120
<v Speaker 1>they were at the capitol that day or not, because

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<v Speaker 1>we know some of the criminals, at least on the

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<v Speaker 1>sort of middle rung of the criminal ladder, the Bannons,

0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:14.000
<v Speaker 1>the Juliani's, they were enjoying the cushy environs of the

0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:19.200
<v Speaker 1>Willard Hotel planning and plotting democracy's demise. They weren't at

0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:22.680
<v Speaker 1>the Capitol on January sixth. We know that there were

0:28:23.000 --> 0:28:28.960
<v Speaker 1>corrupt and treasonist lawyers like John Eastman and Jeffrey Clark

0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:31.960
<v Speaker 1>who were not at the capitol, but they are just

0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:37.160
<v Speaker 1>as responsible for the concerted effort, the conspiracy to try

0:28:37.200 --> 0:28:40.720
<v Speaker 1>to overthrow our democracy. So the fact that he said,

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<v Speaker 1>and this was a little bit of a show of

0:28:43.520 --> 0:28:47.040
<v Speaker 1>the investigative cards, we're going to hold people accountable whether

0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:49.600
<v Speaker 1>they were at the Capitol that day or not. And

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<v Speaker 1>then the third thing that I thought he said that

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't He didn't go as far as I would have liked.

0:28:55.440 --> 0:29:00.720
<v Speaker 1>He used the w word watergate, and he didn't use

0:29:00.720 --> 0:29:05.719
<v Speaker 1>it for the factual proposition that Nixon's Watergate is a

0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:11.920
<v Speaker 1>lot like Trump's insurrection, and it is. I think the

0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:16.080
<v Speaker 1>most important distinction is that Richard Nixon wasn't trying to

0:29:16.120 --> 0:29:19.600
<v Speaker 1>bring democracy to an end and Donald Trump is. But

0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:23.840
<v Speaker 1>there are certainly some parallels, right the burglars of the

0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Watergate scandal were held accountable earlier than the folks who

0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:31.960
<v Speaker 1>were higher up on the criminal food chain. There's a

0:29:32.040 --> 0:29:37.320
<v Speaker 1>rough parallel there, the burglars of Watergate to the soldiers

0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:40.600
<v Speaker 1>of the insurrection. But what he what he referred to

0:29:40.640 --> 0:29:47.160
<v Speaker 1>Watergate as a vehicle to argue, is that we learned

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<v Speaker 1>from the lessons of Watergate that there can be but

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<v Speaker 1>one set of rules for the powerless and the power fault.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I think those three things in combination in

0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:04.120
<v Speaker 1>three different ways. He said, we will hold the powerful accountable.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was happy to hear that. I would have

0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:13.760
<v Speaker 1>liked to have heard some more concrete discussion of domestic terrorism,

0:30:14.000 --> 0:30:18.240
<v Speaker 1>because that's what this was. I knew he wasn't gonna say.

0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:20.960
<v Speaker 1>I predicted he wouldn't even utter Donald Trump's name, which

0:30:20.960 --> 0:30:25.200
<v Speaker 1>of course he didn't, and he shouldn't divulge who he's

0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:30.040
<v Speaker 1>indicting tomorrow who the grand jury is criminally investigating a

0:30:30.520 --> 0:30:33.160
<v Speaker 1>thirty year prosecutor. I never talked about who I was

0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:36.040
<v Speaker 1>investigating or who I intended to indict tomorrow, so I

0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:39.560
<v Speaker 1>knew we wouldn't get any of that. But I think

0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:42.960
<v Speaker 1>what we got from Merrick Garland two days ago, I

0:30:43.000 --> 0:30:46.400
<v Speaker 1>think needs to be viewed in combination with what we

0:30:46.520 --> 0:30:51.520
<v Speaker 1>got from Vice President Harris and President Biden yesterday, because

0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 1>I see some justice synergy going on here. And I'm

0:30:56.160 --> 0:31:02.480
<v Speaker 1>telling you, when Vice President Harris opened by combining, by

0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:08.960
<v Speaker 1>bundling together three dates, she said December seventh, nineteen forty one,

0:31:09.280 --> 0:31:15.200
<v Speaker 1>September eleventh, two thousand and one, January sixth twenty twenty one,

0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:17.560
<v Speaker 1>she didn't have to say what those three dates are.

0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:20.400
<v Speaker 1>Those are three dates that will live in in to me.

0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:22.920
<v Speaker 1>And she opened with that, and she set the right tone.

0:31:23.280 --> 0:31:26.720
<v Speaker 1>And of course the dramatic difference is the first two

0:31:26.880 --> 0:31:32.800
<v Speaker 1>Pearl Harbor and the Iffact on the Bingo, they were

0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:37.560
<v Speaker 1>attacks from without by foreign enemies. The third, I'm sorry,

0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:42.200
<v Speaker 1>is the most dangerous of all, attack from within, directed

0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:47.760
<v Speaker 1>by a defeated president who was looking to unconstitutionally retain power.

0:31:48.240 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 1>So I was thrilled. I know her comments were brief

0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:53.440
<v Speaker 1>and it was something of an introduction of President Biden,

0:31:53.840 --> 0:31:57.080
<v Speaker 1>but the fact that she started with that, she was

0:31:57.160 --> 0:32:00.440
<v Speaker 1>breathing fire. And then Joe Biden stepped up and talked

0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:04.800
<v Speaker 1>as forcefully about the insurrection as he could have spoken.

0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:08.880
<v Speaker 1>And listen when the President of the United States, first

0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:12.800
<v Speaker 1>of all, calls out a former president and just mf's

0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:16.000
<v Speaker 1>him based on the evidence up and down right. But

0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:21.320
<v Speaker 1>then he said, and I quote, this was an armed insurrection.

0:32:22.960 --> 0:32:27.080
<v Speaker 1>You know, we've got something to handle armed insurrections because

0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:30.920
<v Speaker 1>he quoted the crime in this big, ugly blue book

0:32:30.920 --> 0:32:34.320
<v Speaker 1>of federal crimes, the United States Code. So when you

0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:38.360
<v Speaker 1>take what Merrick Garland said two days ago, what Vice

0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:42.280
<v Speaker 1>President Harris from President Biden said yesterday, you also view

0:32:42.280 --> 0:32:45.640
<v Speaker 1>it through the lens of the House Select Committee, saying

0:32:45.680 --> 0:32:50.360
<v Speaker 1>in recent days both Chairman Thompson and Vice Chair Cheney,

0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:54.200
<v Speaker 1>we will be hearing, we expect to hear from the

0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:57.280
<v Speaker 1>vice former Vice President Mike Pence, and we look forward

0:32:57.320 --> 0:33:03.320
<v Speaker 1>to his cooperation and his team is already enthusiastically assisting us.

0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:07.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm telling you it feels like there is justice synergy.

0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:09.800
<v Speaker 1>I know I always see the glasses half full, and

0:33:09.880 --> 0:33:14.480
<v Speaker 1>yet I'm always thirsty. I don't know what that means.

0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:19.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm yeah, it means, it means something, you know. Yeah,

0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:22.200
<v Speaker 1>I think we're headed in the right direction. I really did.

0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:27.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, whenever we think about Watergate and we think

0:33:27.680 --> 0:33:30.200
<v Speaker 1>about the fact that it was what was it, two

0:33:30.280 --> 0:33:36.000
<v Speaker 1>hundred and eighteen days right until justice was kind of

0:33:36.080 --> 0:33:40.920
<v Speaker 1>laid down, I still Glenn. I guess my frustration is

0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:45.040
<v Speaker 1>when I thought about the Garland and Press there I was.

0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:47.640
<v Speaker 1>I was under the impression that he was going to

0:33:47.760 --> 0:33:51.560
<v Speaker 1>announce and we're going to have an independent council, and

0:33:51.920 --> 0:33:56.520
<v Speaker 1>like this is and this investigation, you know is, you know,

0:33:56.640 --> 0:33:58.600
<v Speaker 1>these are the steps that we are taking, this is

0:33:58.640 --> 0:34:00.640
<v Speaker 1>what we have done. I thought that we would get

0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:05.280
<v Speaker 1>more of a layout of what has happened. I appreciated

0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:08.719
<v Speaker 1>the fact that he's talking about the fifteen terabytes of information,

0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:11.440
<v Speaker 1>talking about the thousands of people that have called in

0:34:11.480 --> 0:34:14.480
<v Speaker 1>with tips, talking about the hundreds of people that have

0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:17.920
<v Speaker 1>been arrested, but they've all really been low level sentencing.

0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:20.200
<v Speaker 1>I think, what is the longest sentence that has been

0:34:20.239 --> 0:34:22.360
<v Speaker 1>laid out right now? Is it been for the QAnon

0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:26.200
<v Speaker 1>shaman right for five or six years, then they probably

0:34:26.239 --> 0:34:29.879
<v Speaker 1>won't serve that entire thing. And I just you know,

0:34:30.520 --> 0:34:33.880
<v Speaker 1>the question that I have for you is when Garland said,

0:34:35.200 --> 0:34:39.200
<v Speaker 1>initial charges are always lower, right, and then we build

0:34:39.239 --> 0:34:42.560
<v Speaker 1>from there. And I think to myself, how do you

0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:47.600
<v Speaker 1>not send a message though, with these initial with these

0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:53.520
<v Speaker 1>initial accounts that you broke into the halls of democracy.

0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:58.319
<v Speaker 1>I was happy when Biden said they defecated in these halls, right,

0:34:58.360 --> 0:35:02.279
<v Speaker 1>like I needed him to bring forth the visual in

0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:06.200
<v Speaker 1>the way that it was. It was necessary, in the

0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:08.080
<v Speaker 1>way that the New York Times had laid it out

0:35:08.640 --> 0:35:13.759
<v Speaker 1>earlier in the week, with all of the injuries, both emotional, physical,

0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:18.680
<v Speaker 1>the brokenness, the suicides, I wanted them to lay that out.

0:35:18.760 --> 0:35:22.640
<v Speaker 1>But I said, why wouldn't you send a direct message

0:35:22.719 --> 0:35:27.040
<v Speaker 1>you broke into these halls the minimum sentence that we're

0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:30.960
<v Speaker 1>giving out for everyone ten years? How was that not?

0:35:31.440 --> 0:35:34.160
<v Speaker 1>And and again it's always to me and I have

0:35:34.280 --> 0:35:36.760
<v Speaker 1>to I look through everything with the lens that America

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:39.960
<v Speaker 1>looks through everything, which is a racial one. I know,

0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:43.560
<v Speaker 1>and we know we've talked about it. If these were

0:35:43.719 --> 0:35:46.680
<v Speaker 1>black people, if these were Latin X people, if these

0:35:46.760 --> 0:35:52.440
<v Speaker 1>were Muslim Americans. Would we be waiting around for a

0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:55.799
<v Speaker 1>whole year for these like sentences to be to be

0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:58.160
<v Speaker 1>put down, or saying that we need to dot more

0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:01.680
<v Speaker 1>eyes and cross more teas. But we have never treated

0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:07.239
<v Speaker 1>our minority brothers and sisters fairly equitably on par with

0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:10.480
<v Speaker 1>white America. We never have, and I'm not going to

0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:13.879
<v Speaker 1>say we never will because that is our fight, right,

0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:16.719
<v Speaker 1>That is not a destination. That is a daily fight

0:36:16.920 --> 0:36:19.800
<v Speaker 1>that you and I and others will be fighting every

0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:22.080
<v Speaker 1>day for the rest of our lives. Then our children

0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:24.360
<v Speaker 1>will be fighting it, then our grandchildren will be fighting it.

0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:27.400
<v Speaker 1>Let's not fool ourselves. We'll make progress. The arc of

0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:30.760
<v Speaker 1>the moral universe continues to bend in the right direction.

0:36:31.080 --> 0:36:33.799
<v Speaker 1>I think there's been a kink in that arc that

0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:36.319
<v Speaker 1>we are trying desperately to straighten out, so it will

0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:39.080
<v Speaker 1>continue to bend in the right direction. But I have

0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:41.760
<v Speaker 1>faith that it will continue to bend in the right direction.

0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:47.120
<v Speaker 1>But you're absolutely right. There are two standards. There are

0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:51.800
<v Speaker 1>two systems of justice in policing, in the court system,

0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:57.920
<v Speaker 1>in politics, in the business community. And that is our

0:36:57.960 --> 0:37:01.319
<v Speaker 1>fight and it will always remain our fight. But when

0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:05.360
<v Speaker 1>Merrick Garland said and I'm with you, because, yes, the

0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:09.440
<v Speaker 1>way the Department of Justice investigates is from the bottom up.

0:37:09.480 --> 0:37:11.680
<v Speaker 1>It's the way I did it when I was investigating

0:37:11.719 --> 0:37:16.840
<v Speaker 1>gang cases, rico cases, conspiracy cases. The problem is, this

0:37:17.040 --> 0:37:23.040
<v Speaker 1>circumstance is unlike every run of the mill gang or

0:37:23.160 --> 0:37:29.560
<v Speaker 1>rico investigation, and it calls for different action, dramatic action,

0:37:29.840 --> 0:37:34.960
<v Speaker 1>action that will both immediately protect our society and our

0:37:35.000 --> 0:37:40.640
<v Speaker 1>democracy in a way that you know reflects the danger

0:37:41.000 --> 0:37:43.760
<v Speaker 1>of what we just went through and what we're still facing.

0:37:44.040 --> 0:37:47.600
<v Speaker 1>So that's the part that upsets me. Don't tell me

0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:52.600
<v Speaker 1>you're treating this like every other investigation. We investigate from

0:37:52.640 --> 0:37:54.759
<v Speaker 1>the ground up. We go after the smaller fish. We've

0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:57.200
<v Speaker 1>flipped them against the medium fish. We try to get

0:37:57.200 --> 0:38:01.160
<v Speaker 1>the big fish. All bets should be off, right, I

0:38:01.200 --> 0:38:04.960
<v Speaker 1>believe right, you should make a dang statement, lock up

0:38:05.000 --> 0:38:08.520
<v Speaker 1>at least the medium level ficient, bid to flip them,

0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:14.560
<v Speaker 1>do something different because in every other investigation, democracy's future

0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:17.520
<v Speaker 1>is not hanging in the balance. So and I am

0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:19.799
<v Speaker 1>a believe me. I've been a vocal critic of Merrick

0:38:19.960 --> 0:38:22.840
<v Speaker 1>Arland and the Department of Justice. He got the Aging

0:38:22.960 --> 0:38:27.839
<v Speaker 1>Carold decision wrong. You know, there are any number of

0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:30.880
<v Speaker 1>things that they have done that I disagree with. I

0:38:30.960 --> 0:38:34.200
<v Speaker 1>don't like the pace that they've set. I don't like

0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:36.520
<v Speaker 1>the fact that they're treating this the way they treat

0:38:36.520 --> 0:38:39.560
<v Speaker 1>every other investigation. Now, I do appreciate that he said,

0:38:39.600 --> 0:38:44.680
<v Speaker 1>we will investigate, we will hold people accountable at every level,

0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:49.640
<v Speaker 1>whether there or not one standard of rules. And he

0:38:49.800 --> 0:38:52.919
<v Speaker 1>also said something that actually is really important. He said,

0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:58.040
<v Speaker 1>we will do it all consistent with the Constitution and

0:38:58.160 --> 0:39:02.439
<v Speaker 1>the civil rights of all people. That and I take

0:39:02.520 --> 0:39:06.000
<v Speaker 1>him at his word when he says that, because regardless

0:39:06.000 --> 0:39:11.960
<v Speaker 1>of how aggressively or how unconventionally you go after the insurrection,

0:39:12.840 --> 0:39:15.279
<v Speaker 1>you still need to honor the Constitution in the civil

0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:18.080
<v Speaker 1>rights of all people. But you know what you're talking

0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:21.400
<v Speaker 1>to talk, how about we start walking the walk. You know,

0:39:22.440 --> 0:39:27.120
<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump was supposed to give a speech on January sixth,

0:39:27.800 --> 0:39:33.960
<v Speaker 1>and you know, because of Republicans pushback, Steve Bannon gave

0:39:34.000 --> 0:39:36.279
<v Speaker 1>it instead. And Donald Trump is going to give this

0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:39.600
<v Speaker 1>speech whatever he was going to say on January fifteenth,

0:39:39.600 --> 0:39:44.879
<v Speaker 1>as if the dates actually matter. But the fact to

0:39:44.920 --> 0:39:50.360
<v Speaker 1>me is that Steve Bannon is free. He's still walking

0:39:50.400 --> 0:39:54.919
<v Speaker 1>around and able to give speeches when We know what

0:39:55.000 --> 0:39:57.080
<v Speaker 1>he was a part of, and I don't even consider

0:39:57.160 --> 0:40:01.320
<v Speaker 1>him a medium level person, and he's still walking around free.

0:40:01.400 --> 0:40:08.839
<v Speaker 1>Peter Navarro was on MSNBC literally saying that there were

0:40:09.000 --> 0:40:14.560
<v Speaker 1>one hundred Republicans that were on board. How is it

0:40:14.600 --> 0:40:19.440
<v Speaker 1>that these people are still presiding over our country, still

0:40:19.560 --> 0:40:24.640
<v Speaker 1>voting or not voting, obstructing policy, and are not in cuffs.

0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:29.799
<v Speaker 1>Somewhere we have Democratic members that right now are retiring

0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:35.279
<v Speaker 1>in droves, and one of the foundational reasons for that

0:40:35.719 --> 0:40:39.440
<v Speaker 1>they are scared to work alongside their colleagues. There are

0:40:39.520 --> 0:40:44.840
<v Speaker 1>still metal detectors up, not for possible insurrection and threat

0:40:44.880 --> 0:40:49.399
<v Speaker 1>from the outside, but from threat from the inside. So

0:40:49.440 --> 0:40:55.040
<v Speaker 1>this has already fundamentally changed the way that our government works,

0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:59.080
<v Speaker 1>and yet these people are I would imagine that if

0:40:59.120 --> 0:41:02.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm a member of Congress and I was scared for

0:41:02.400 --> 0:41:05.759
<v Speaker 1>my life on the floor of the House that day,

0:41:05.920 --> 0:41:10.120
<v Speaker 1>and these members are still walking around free, and I

0:41:10.200 --> 0:41:12.279
<v Speaker 1>know that they were on calls, I know that they

0:41:12.280 --> 0:41:16.320
<v Speaker 1>were messaging. What message does that say to them about

0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:24.560
<v Speaker 1>their safety? So absent accountability by way of criminal charges

0:41:24.640 --> 0:41:30.680
<v Speaker 1>for the middle level players and the top dogs of

0:41:30.719 --> 0:41:35.880
<v Speaker 1>the insurrection, absent accountability our democracy doesn't have a chance.

0:41:36.520 --> 0:41:43.040
<v Speaker 1>With accountability, our democracy has a chance. It's still not

0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:46.759
<v Speaker 1>a foregone conclusion that we survived this, even once we

0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:52.280
<v Speaker 1>start locking up the Navarros, the Bannons, the Juliani's, the

0:41:52.360 --> 0:41:56.840
<v Speaker 1>Don Don Trump seniors, the Don Trump juniors, the Eastman's,

0:41:56.880 --> 0:42:01.120
<v Speaker 1>the Clarks, all of them, the Mark Meadows. They I

0:42:01.200 --> 0:42:04.400
<v Speaker 1>do believe they will be charged in one big old conspiracy.

0:42:04.400 --> 0:42:06.520
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's what the Department of Justice is

0:42:06.560 --> 0:42:10.320
<v Speaker 1>working toward. Watergate took as much as two and a

0:42:10.360 --> 0:42:14.400
<v Speaker 1>half years to finally convict the top rung criminals, and

0:42:14.480 --> 0:42:19.120
<v Speaker 1>of course, horrifically, Richard Nixon got away with it because

0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:22.400
<v Speaker 1>of an ill advised presidential pardon, which set the stage

0:42:22.960 --> 0:42:25.600
<v Speaker 1>for Donald Trump. Don't don't think for a minute Donald

0:42:25.600 --> 0:42:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Trump didn't look at Richard Nixon and say, whoa, whoa, whoa.

0:42:29.320 --> 0:42:31.440
<v Speaker 1>If I can get myself elected, I can commit all

0:42:31.440 --> 0:42:35.560
<v Speaker 1>the crime I want, and while in office, I get

0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:38.839
<v Speaker 1>to hold up the presidency as a shield against prosecution

0:42:39.239 --> 0:42:42.759
<v Speaker 1>because my underlings at the Department of Justice say that

0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:45.919
<v Speaker 1>you can't indict a sitting criminal president. And then once

0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:49.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm out, I'm probably not going to get prosecuted. And

0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:51.160
<v Speaker 1>if I am I'm going to get pardoned, where do

0:42:51.239 --> 0:42:56.440
<v Speaker 1>I sign up? I mean, I hope we've learned that

0:42:56.800 --> 0:43:00.680
<v Speaker 1>lesson from Watergate, and I think if we didn't learn it,

0:43:00.719 --> 0:43:04.240
<v Speaker 1>and shame on us, we don't deserve to continue forward.

0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:08.840
<v Speaker 1>We don't. You know, we have but a handful of months.

0:43:08.840 --> 0:43:10.440
<v Speaker 1>And this is the last question I want to ask you.

0:43:10.520 --> 0:43:13.560
<v Speaker 1>We have a handful of months until midterms. Midterms is

0:43:13.600 --> 0:43:17.360
<v Speaker 1>in November. Right. We already have members of the House

0:43:18.200 --> 0:43:21.560
<v Speaker 1>Republican Party saying that they are going to pursue impeachment

0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:24.759
<v Speaker 1>of Joe Biden. Right, this is a this is a

0:43:24.800 --> 0:43:26.600
<v Speaker 1>tip for taft that they're doing. We're going to go

0:43:26.640 --> 0:43:31.200
<v Speaker 1>after you. It is not looking good that Democrats will

0:43:31.239 --> 0:43:35.239
<v Speaker 1>hold on to the Senate or the House, right And

0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:37.920
<v Speaker 1>I know that again, I know that the Department of

0:43:37.960 --> 0:43:41.120
<v Speaker 1>Justice is supposed to be separate. But how do you

0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:44.960
<v Speaker 1>foresee a way for them to continue to power through

0:43:45.880 --> 0:43:50.360
<v Speaker 1>with Republicans who are most certainly, most certainly going to

0:43:50.440 --> 0:43:54.000
<v Speaker 1>be hauling Merrick Garland, hauling members of the Department of

0:43:54.040 --> 0:43:56.520
<v Speaker 1>Justice in as soon as they're able to get the

0:43:56.520 --> 0:44:00.560
<v Speaker 1>gavels back, and asking them to just to slow down,

0:44:00.719 --> 0:44:03.080
<v Speaker 1>come up the process and make it look like a

0:44:03.160 --> 0:44:06.600
<v Speaker 1>partisan side show. How do they navigate through that? So

0:44:06.840 --> 0:44:10.200
<v Speaker 1>articles of impeachment and I hate to even articulate this

0:44:10.360 --> 0:44:13.759
<v Speaker 1>as a foregone conclusion, but articles of impeachment will be

0:44:13.880 --> 0:44:18.120
<v Speaker 1>drafted up by a Republican controlled House for Joe Biden,

0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:22.600
<v Speaker 1>for Merrick Garland. They will start issuing frivolous obstructionists sub

0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:25.359
<v Speaker 1>poenis to everybody at the Department of Justice, as you say,

0:44:25.560 --> 0:44:28.239
<v Speaker 1>trying to come up the works. They will hold draconian

0:44:28.360 --> 0:44:32.319
<v Speaker 1>oversight hearings, They will defund DOJ to the extent it

0:44:32.360 --> 0:44:38.560
<v Speaker 1>will help them interfere corruptly in ongoing criminal investigations and prosecutions.

0:44:38.719 --> 0:44:44.600
<v Speaker 1>That's why criminal charges need to come now, in the

0:44:44.680 --> 0:44:48.719
<v Speaker 1>coming weeks or in the next couple of months. I

0:44:48.880 --> 0:44:53.640
<v Speaker 1>believe Merrick Garland, and I hear rumblings. I mean that

0:44:53.800 --> 0:44:58.960
<v Speaker 1>statement that he made was also to assuage the concerns

0:44:59.000 --> 0:45:01.440
<v Speaker 1>of many, many men, any of the people inside the

0:45:01.440 --> 0:45:05.880
<v Speaker 1>Department of Justice who want to start charging corrupt high

0:45:05.920 --> 0:45:10.040
<v Speaker 1>government and former high government officials. I believe it's going

0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:12.799
<v Speaker 1>to happen, and if it doesn't happen, we're done. If

0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:15.719
<v Speaker 1>it does happen. I think that will go a long

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<v Speaker 1>way to tamping down the idiots who run around continuing

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<v Speaker 1>to spout off the big life because they've seen nobody's

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<v Speaker 1>been held accountable for it. It will change the narrative,

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<v Speaker 1>and it will change it dramatically once indictments start to drop.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't see how they don't ask the Grand Jury

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<v Speaker 1>to return the mother of all conspiracy indictments against Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump and everybody who tried to assist him in overthrowing

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<v Speaker 1>our government, in overturning the results of the presidential election.

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<v Speaker 1>Those indictments have to come. That is not a guarantee

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<v Speaker 1>that we survive, but boy, it goes a long way

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<v Speaker 1>to helping us survive. I think it does as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And Glenn, I just I appreciate you. I'm so happy

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<v Speaker 1>to have you back in this New Years just a

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<v Speaker 1>few days in to twenty twenty two, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>that we are in for a ride, and I appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>you always being one of our guides on that ride.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much, See you next week. That is

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<v Speaker 1>it for me. Dear friends today on this woke a

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<v Speaker 1>f daily, please do give yourselves grace, give yourselves peace,

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<v Speaker 1>find joy each and every single day as always. Power

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<v Speaker 1>to the people and to all the people. Power, get

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<v Speaker 1>woke and stay woke as fuck.