WEBVTT - #106 - D Smoke 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.480 Yo, It's the Buelet Cap Podcast Buelet Cap Show Special 0:00:02.520 --> 0:00:07.560 guests d Smoke, Yes, sir, welcome, Hey, congrats on this album. 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:13.440 Warren Wonders. First of all, the cover is incredible, The 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:16.400 artwork is incredible. You're always so good when it comes 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:19.040 to details. I always tell everybody like you got the 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:23.159 best videos, the best coloring, the best concepts, Like you know, 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:25.440 I know you put so much into just the details 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:29.520 of what you do. Absolutely give me why the name, 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:32.120 Warren Wonders, what's the what's the background behind that kind 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:35.680 of dive into the story of the artwork. Warren wonders, 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:39.000 is that project that's about showing the world the two 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:41.880 sides of what it means to be a youngster from 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:45.839 Inglewood who is pushing the line on both fronts. You 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:49.120 know what I'm saying. On one side, I got a 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:51.440 heart for the streets. You know, my big brother grew 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:53.680 up in the street element a little bit more than 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:56.040 we did, and we were we were there. But by 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:58.200 the time we were coming up as teenagers, you know, 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:00.840 Pops was in the house a little kids. My Pops 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:03.440 was locked up, so we was fighting, doing the whole nine. 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:07.040 He come home, We're more so, like a little bit 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:09.680 more straight and narrow, but still you know, parents can't 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:12.640 afford to drive you everywhere, so he's still catching the bus. 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:17.640 We in the actual streets of Inglewood. So warre on 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:23.120 wonders is that we're familiar with this, but it's you know, 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:26.000 for the sake of arriving at that place where you 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:27.720 can look around and be proud of where you are, 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:30.920 what you've gotten. So you can't experience the wonders in 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:34.120 life if you're not willing to confront and experience the war, 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:36.880 you know. So it's just that duality of being d 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:39.160 smoke that I wanted to share. And then what about 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:41.240 the cover because the cover seems like there's a big 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:44.920 message behind the coverage as well. Yeah, absolutely so. Of course, 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:48.760 one of my main values is other than family, is community, 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:52.720 you know what I'm saying. So that picture represents the 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:56.040 community that puts you all the different elements like you know, 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:59.120 from the girl with her hair wrapped with the rollers 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:01.320 in their hair blowing the bus to the girl with 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:04.440 the booty short song too. You know howmies with the 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:08.520 wave cap do rags, flip flops, the bottle, the speaker, 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:11.720 the lo lo bike, is just like we get some 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:14.639 of everything in the community that all contributes to who 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:17.400 you are as a person, and that's lifting me up 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:20.480 to you know, uh, to be able to you know, 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:24.680 the symbolism of breaking that chain and it's an actual 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:26.480 gold chain that's kind of shaped like a new So 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:30.560 it's just all those symbolism that represent all the people 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:32.919 that it really takes for any one person to be free. 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:35.480 You feel me? Do you feel like because I feel like, 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:36.720 you know, like when you listen to the album, like 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:39.679 you talk about like you know, game, banging over turf 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.200 that you don't own, or dirt you don't own, right, 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:45.200 do you feel like that that was like those kind 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:48.800 of messages weren't being presented to your generation, for the 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:51.840 kids who were from where you were from, Like, and 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:53.440 like maybe you're kind of setting a new because I 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:55.920 feel like there's so much game and a lot of 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:58.639 the shit you're saying. There's so many lines and I'm like, man, 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:01.200 this is a real grown man, Like hell shit, but 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:03.560 like that line, like how important is that for you 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:06.440 to kind of you know when it comes to you 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:08.600 You're from Inglewood, you know what I'm saying. And obviously 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:12.520 when you're from La. Gang culture is on the present, 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:15.600 even if you're not in it, when you're in Hollywood, 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:18.760 when you're in downtown, everywhere, everywhere, one hundred percent right, So, 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:22.600 like you know, there's it's it's it's hard to be 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:24.320 the guy to be like, hey, you should a gang 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:28.440 bang because you don't know the story behind Hey did 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:30.880 someone lose a brother or a cousin or whatever. But 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:33.000 at the same time, like there's there's got to be 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:35.760 a middle ground where you know absolutely well, let me, 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:39.560 I put it this way, gang banging isn't being a 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:42.280 member of a gang. Let's say that isn't wrong, you 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:45.160 know what I'm saying. It's the it's the culture, not 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:48.720 the overall culture. It's the activity, it's how it's done. 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:52.360 It's the lack of connection between the big homies who 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:56.120 know better and the young homies who got something to prove, 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:59.400 you know. And and that's just not a gang. It's 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:01.480 not just a gang banging thing, because outside of gang 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:03.680 banging in other cities we still find the violence, we 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:07.240 still find of course the same problems. It's just a 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:12.560 community thing, a culture thing. First and then so I 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:14.440 have I have a heart for people like I feel 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:18.520 like it's human instinct to connect, to build, to form 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:22.400 organizations to or you know, outside of gang banging. In Africa, 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:25.000 we had tribes, you know what I'm saying, And one 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:27.040 tribe over here might not get along with a tribe 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:29.279 over here. So it's not me preaching against gang banging. 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:34.680 It's more so preaching against the ignorance that makes us organizing, 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:38.599 uh them versus us type thing. You know what I'm saying, 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:42.440 Like why I'm not I'm not a gang member, but 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:45.000 why do I feel the need to keep a pistol 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:46.400 on me? You know what I'm saying. Or you said 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:48.560 that you have a five mile you go through five 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:51.359 different neighborhoods on your commute commute. Yeah, and the kids 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:53.680 and the kids who you're teaching don't realize that you 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:55.359 you got you gotta you got a peace on you 0:04:55.440 --> 0:05:01.279 come on period period. True story, you know. And that's 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:04.400 because like I taught, I taught on well, I taught 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:07.000 several places. One I was teaching close to home when 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:09.440 I taught at Inglewood High then I taw at Westchester 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:11.200 and that of course you head in west You're not 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:13.800 passing through too many hoods like that. Outside of Inglewood. 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:17.480 And then but it was when I taught on Vermont 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:22.360 and sixtieth coming from Century and Lebrea, that it's like, okay, 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:25.719 I'm out of this neighborhood in Inglewood through these other 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:28.920 three neighborhoods in Inglewood, through you know what I'm saying, 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:32.200 you know, the a trade through the you know, it's 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:34.240 like all these different hoods, for forbid, you have to 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:37.039 stop and get gas. Come on, now, you be getting 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:40.240 gas on our side right before you get in there, 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:44.520 you know. And and and then of course that's an 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:46.720 exception to every world. I've stopped to get gas in 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:50.159 another hood, you know. And you you kind of hope 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:52.279 that somebody ain't having a bad enough day to where 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:54.880 they not listening to reason, or they or to where 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:57.200 they don't ask no questions at all, you know, because 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.159 that happens. It had been times where it was like 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:02.040 they just pulled up a start busting. That's tragic, you know. 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:05.159 But then there's been times where I'd am impressed and 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:06.919 I could tell he looking at me like waiting for 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:08.920 me to say the wrong thing, and I could tell 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:10.880 he got a gun on him, like hand all tucked 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:13.119 and everything, and I'm like you know what I'm saying, 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:15.560 And it's just a matter of you know, have you 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:17.640 mastered yourself enough to be to look him in the 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:20.200 eyes and be like, I'm solid, bro, I hope all 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:22.560 is well, which you know, and just let him make 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:24.719 that decision to be like I want to do do 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:26.400 I want to do a good human being harm. And 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:30.480 I think even behind all the gang stuff, there's there's 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:33.040 this People have to be triggered and pushed over that 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:36.880 little edge, and sometimes fear pushes Being scary will push 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:40.520 people over the edge, you know, it'll trigger that up, 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:44.320 that instinct, that predatory instinct if you look like, oh 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:46.960 two shitah, I got it, got it. Whereas if it's 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:50.000 like now all is well, bro, God bless you, you know, 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:51.880 but it's direct. It's like I'm not scared of you, 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:55.200 but I'm looking into you like I know what you got. 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:57.000 You know what I'm saying, And if you're gonna do it, 0:06:57.320 --> 0:06:59.240 you're gonna have to live with the fact that you 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.120 did it in the wrong situation. You know, because fear 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:04.480 tales on a lot of people. Some people are afraid 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:07.000 because they know they might be on the bad side 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:09.600 of some well deserved krmer they might have done something 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:12.440 similar out there. You know, that's not my story. So 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:15.000 if you're gonna pull up, if you're gonna pull up 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:17.000 and bust on d Smoke, you're gonna bust on somebody 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:20.000 that's proud of what he did, then done right by 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:22.680 his family and his business partners. And I'm gonna look 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:25.760 you in your eyes like, damn, is this that? Because 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.000 we all got our day? You feel me like, and 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:29.920 I don't. It's not that I want to go, but 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:34.080 it's like I've seen, I've been in those situations where 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:36.680 it could have been that you know so, and and 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:38.840 a lot of so much as outside your control. So 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:43.960 like you're referring to, uh, find my way, you know, 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:48.320 in so many ways, it's like we're all navigating. As 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:52.480 a teacher, I'm still navigating. I'm navigating, like like the 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:56.480 law one. You know what I'm saying, California is an 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:59.840 you know what I'm saying, I'm navigating the law. I'm navigating. Uh, 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:03.520 you know, going in there wanting to be effective with 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:05.200 the kids, but I'm in the middle of the hood 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:07.440 and it's a lot working against me. Just they mindsets, 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:11.280 you know. So, So yeah, this this album kind of 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:14.760 shows shows both of that and and it shows love 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:17.480 to the people. It's like people got to forgive theyself, 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:20.160 like they be hard on theyself, like, man, I ain't 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:22.400 got to figure it out. But and that's okay. So 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:24.320 that's the thing, by my way, It's like we all 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:27.040 out here trying to find find our way, and once 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:30.120 we think we found it, we still navigate. That's real shit. 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:32.320 You said some ill shit. You had a line where 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:34.920 you said that your wife drove you to sanity. Uh huh. 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:37.000 My wife came in my life drove me to sanity, 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:40.040 which I think is dope because again I'm married. But 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:42.320 I feel like we don't hear enough about you know, 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:46.680 the benefits of having a solid woman behind you. Absolutely, 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:50.480 it's how much honesty are people willing to give, you know, 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:55.080 and not just honesty, vulnerability, you know, because what was 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:57.240 that it was a Superman movie or was it a 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:00.600 Superman movie or somebody referred to a Superman saying, you know, 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:03.160 leave Clark kenn at home, don't bring Lois Lane into 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:05.680 the workplace. You know what I'm saying, Because that's what 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:09.600 people Predators will exploit, you know what I'm saying. They 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:11.680 see the strong chest and they're like, oh, I can't 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:15.240 penetrate that armor, but I could grab her and make 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:19.440 you been the knee to you know what I'm saying, 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:21.360 to save somebody that you care about. And in the 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:23.920 same sense, I feel like rap has that tendency. We 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:27.640 show up with our strongest self, you know what I'm saying, Yeah, 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:31.679 and then lo and behold, we got somebody that's loving 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:34.080 us into strength, you know what I'm saying in all honesty. 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:37.839 So but yeah, I said my life. My wife came 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:40.559 in my life, drove me to sanity, distinguished between the 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:43.720 sweetest in vanities, coffee, no cream of killing me softly. 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:45.599 I need an energy. Call me your fashion. But in 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:49.320 the canopy I'll be getting what these whole promises can't deliver. 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:52.800 Ain't got no canvas, won't paint a picture, Ain't got 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:54.720 no time for they faint attempts. My little house is straight, 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:56.560 made the bricks, climbed the mountain, and then made the river. 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:59.040 You know. So it's like it's just the truth of it, 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:01.880 and not that I'm imposing that view on anybody. Like 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:03.560 if you ain't found that person, don't try to make 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:06.440 their own person. That for sure. That's a huge mistake. 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:08.960 Don't do that, you know what I'm saying, like, don't 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:12.720 do that ship, Yeah, you know. And and I think 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:15.080 even prior to finding her, I think we're all a 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:17.079 little bit guilty of like because we got our hopes 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:21.959 up that we got somebody, you know. But but yeah, 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:24.560 so that's that's a little bit of like straight honesty. 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:27.000 We're like, like, you know, there's something to be said 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:33.160 about like being in a relationship where it's not taxing 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:37.400 on your mental And I can only imagine with where 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:40.080 you are in your career right being on the road 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:42.760 or I don't know, the pandemic kind of probably halted 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:44.480 a lot of your travel. But you do go to Africa, right, 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:47.160 I did? I did go to I mean, in your 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:49.160 your profile is a lot more higher. And I'm just 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:54.839 I mean, in any relationship, your specific set of circumstances 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:58.360 might make you know, any relationship a little bit more 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:00.719 difficult at times. So it takes it's a special kind 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:05.520 of woman to not add any bullshit to your plate 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:09.720 while you're trying to be de smoke. Absolutely, absolutely, some 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:15.320 of that comes from just confidence, you know, like and 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:19.559 and confidence doesn't negate that a woman's need to be reassured. 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:22.000 You know what I'm saying, any woman is gonna because 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:25.760 the reassurance is not in It's not just in her 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:30.840 being reassured in herself, it's reassured in your intent, how 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:34.800 present you are, and your feelings. You know, the fact 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:37.000 that your feelings haven't changed. You have to reassure them 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:40.839 of that, you know what I'm saying. So, but when 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:43.120 you have to, But when somebody needs reassurance of who 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:45.840 they are, it's different. Then they've put you in a 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:49.840 position that you nobody deserves to be in. Because you 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:51.800 can say all the things in the world, but if 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:53.800 you're not happy with you, it don't matter from you. 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:59.200 It gotta come from you. So but but yeah, you 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:02.520 you definitely need somebody that's confident, that is shutting himself 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:08.920 and bold enough to be honest when it's not it's real, 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:10.840 you know, and that's you got to be that too, 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:14.520 you know, the responsibilities on both sides. There's additional work 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:18.440 on my part and on my wife's part to maintain 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:22.800 something that that is true and strong and can withstand 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:26.240 little stuff. You know what I'm saying that It's it's 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:29.760 no secret that women on the internet are gonna be like, 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:32.599 that's my husband that never met me, you know what 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:34.720 I'm saying. And you got to just brush that off, 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.520 you know. Yeah, No, I mean I feel like, yeah, 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:40.120 because especially when you were when the show first came out, 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:44.520 there was bitches was I mean, respectful young ladies, we're 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:48.240 loving you. They're going crazy. No, it was going crazy. 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:50.360 It went ut. I mean, bitch is in the most 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:57.559 respectable way possible. We know what you mean. Beautiful, independent, yes, timely, yeah, 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:06.000 you know, creative. Yeah right, I'm just kidding, just kidd kidding, 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:12.480 shouts all the bitches and dumb shouts, all of them. 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:15.320 You know you you just announced the tour right before 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:17.520 you got here, right, I did. How many dates is it? 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:21.280 It's it's like twenty two man, that's big too, And 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:23.200 I know that I wanted to be thirty three. But 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:25.120 there had to have been a Black Habits tour that 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:28.560 was supposed to happen. It was cooked. We actually we 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:31.480 had those dates reserved for the Black Habits, not these 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:34.280 exact days now, but we had those all of those 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:36.959 venues already lined up, and then the pandemic just fucked 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:42.080 everything up. We literally, you know, Cordat hit me up 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:44.719 because even before we released Black Habits, all I had 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:47.280 was Inglewood High, right, but we had that moment in 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.280 a strong following and the songs from Rhythm and Flow, 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.079 and he was like, bro, come on tour with me, 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:57.160 the Lost tour, Yes, yeh. And he did some dates 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:00.560 in January, so it was he hit me into December 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:03.120 like top of the year, you hopping out? And I 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:06.120 was like, bro, I'd love to, but we're closing out 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:08.680 a project right now. He was like say, lets I understand, 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:12.760 you know, and you know, we still put out Black Habits, 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:14.720 and Black Habits did what it did, you know, so 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:18.000 there's no regrets here. But it's like, damn, is there 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:20.800 any world where we still put it out? And because 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:23.000 the world exactly because the world's about to shut down, 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:26.680 we go outside, like all right, we only got one 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:30.240 money to hop out pot especially you know with cored 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:34.080 eight incredible artists that I respect, like how he approaches 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:38.520 you know, creativity, his music himself. He's one of the 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:42.160 best man, one of the greatest way way early like 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:44.080 to be his age and to be doing it like that, 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.760 it's like it's dope to watch who like who else 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:51.040 is another artist or two that are your peers that 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:53.760 inspire you. Man. I'm not talking about the ogs because 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:55.920 it's easy to say Snoop or Dre or who. I mean, like, 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:59.520 you know your peers man, just a couple man, just 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:02.920 because I I don't distinguish between like singing and rapping 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:07.840 and stuff like right of course, like the Sminos, you know, 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:12.080 the Saba is crazy. You know, uh Masago is crazy. 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:14.640 Those are my guys. And then I'm from Cali, so 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:16.880 I'm just I like hood Ship too, So you know 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:18.920 what I'm saying, Gee, Perico to Homie, I always look 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:21.760 out for way he's in the video. Yeah, go to Homie. 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:24.560 You know. You know what I'm saying. R J he 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:26.840 in the video too. Then my dogs, but when they 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.760 put something out, I'm listening because they got the thumb 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:31.680 on the on the pulse of the streets. You know. 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.320 But but it's just you know, and then it's just 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:38.720 music that I'm just you know, I love I love 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:41.720 like soul for Ship like alex I, you know what 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:46.760 I'm saying. So but yeah, do you feel like I 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:50.200 feel like on this album, like as as as lyrical 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:52.200 as a genius you are, I think you really pressed 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:55.160 pressed the pedal down on on just wrapping your ass 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:59.040 off on this project. Like, what was your approach this 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:01.720 being your sophomore album, Like we talked a little bit earlier, 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:04.320 I think definitively it's better than Black Habits. Black Habits. 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:06.360 We'll get to the Grammy nomination, which was a big deal. 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:11.000 But what was your approach your mind state going into 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:14.040 recording this album that was different from Black Habits because 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:17.000 Black Habits, like you said, the show Happens, you already 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:20.400 had Englewood High was already out right, that's your first 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:23.680 project coming out off the TV show, you know, and 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:26.520 now you're established, you got through a pandemic. You know, 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:29.280 what was your mind state recording this one? This one? 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:33.280 It's just a lot of real life, frustrated energy in 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:36.120 this one, and I think that makes for good art, 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:40.320 you know, Like I was, really, I'm pushing myself because 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:45.040 I want to translate the turmoil that's happening inside. Plus 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:48.120 it's still the joy of where I'm fortunate enough to 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:50.360 be in life, what I've been able to accomplish in 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:53.160 a short amount of time after a long amount of time, 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:54.520 you know what I'm saying. I've been at it for 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:57.240 a long time, but then these two years two and 0:16:57.240 --> 0:17:01.320 a half years are crazy, you know, so so, but 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:05.920 it's like the inner turmoil is like, damn, why would 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:08.200 I have this big, this big opportunity. You know what 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:10.960 I'm saying. I got faith. I come from a god 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:13.080 fairing household, so it's like, God, why You're gonna give 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.200 me all this and shut the world down, Like let 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:17.960 me go outside, you know what I'm saying. So for 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:22.800 that to happen, It's like some of them, some of 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:26.160 those songs come from that energy, but it's like you frustrated, 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:27.720 but you still know who you are, so you're gonna 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:30.280 give them that energy back. It's like in Inglewood, like 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:33.119 before I had a group of money, I still knew 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:37.520 that inside it was something that distinguished me from what 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:40.800 was outside. So I wasn't gonna let nothing run over me, 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:43.080 you know. And in the same sense, that energy gotta 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:46.199 be in the music otherwise people will applaud it a 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:49.000 little bit, you know what I'm saying, like, oh, good stuff, cool, 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:52.880 you know, but they're not gonna champion it because it's 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:55.639 when you show them, when you show them both sides 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:59.800 of yourself, the angry side, the upset side the vulnerable. 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:01.879 When you show them all of that, then people feel 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:04.320 like he doing it for us because they know that, 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:06.200 don't You don't stumble on that. You got to push 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:10.280 to that, you know. So the way the album came about, 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:13.800 like right when they announced that the tour wasn't gonna 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.920 happen and we no longer prepping for tourists, like I'm 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:20.200 at home, bro, Like right, it's a weird moment for 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:22.199 all of us. I'm at home. Yeah, Like hey man, 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:25.240 Simmy beach, bro, yeah, Simmy Beach. And the first song 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:29.959 I did off on one Wonders, is shame on you? 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:32.080 Oh wow? You know what I'm saying. Summer in the 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:35.520 winter time. So it's February, it's just after no, it's March, 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:38.680 the month after Black Habits was done. Somemer in the 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:40.760 winter time. Smoke back on this beat, act like it's 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:43.440 dinner time, full packs, no receipting, no LoJack on my 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:45.160 heat in case I have to throw that in the river. 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:48.040 After Seneta, I'm good, I'm good, I swear I'm good. 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:50.440 I ain't losing no sleep, I'm hood, I'm wood, I'm well. 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:52.320 I want to be see no defeat. I pull that 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:53.879 off the hip, to shoot the shit, to piss the 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:55.919 voltures off the coaches in good hands. God damn, that 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:57.760 man is so and sick. You know what I'm saying, 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:01.720 just like talking my shit here, like I'm here. Give 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:04.679 a fuck if we can't go on tour, if you 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:07.520 know what I'm saying, if we reached we hit what 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:10.720 we think is like a goal, and then we find 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:14.119 another like detour that we got attack. I'm still here. 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:17.200 So some of this music is shit. I gotta tell myself, like, hey, man, 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:20.080 talk yo shit, smoke, you know, because I remember listening 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:22.440 to early jay Z, not early jay Z like midted 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:27.280 away jay Z and uh. From the outside critics were saying, 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:29.560 oh he braggedocious this and that and the other. But 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:32.119 I was at the time when I'm seventeen listening to it. 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:34.240 It's like, that's the shit I need to say about 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:36.719 myself when I'm walking through the city to feel how 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:39.399 I need to feel to get past all this. You 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:42.920 know what I'm saying, I can't humility, don't get you passed. 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:46.080 You know what I'm saying, your immediate circumstances. It's that 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:51.879 sometimes irrational sense of heightened self that'll have you you know, 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:55.000 confront challenges head on and overcome the motherfuckers. You know 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:58.520 what I'm saying. So that's why, like I don't apologize. 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:00.920 People know I'm a humble person based on my interaction 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:05.400 with them and in the music too. They're very intentional 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:08.159 moments where you give people just lessons. I'm a teacher, 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:11.920 but in order for them to care about those at all, 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:15.440 you gotta just take the gloves off. And sometimes, hey, man, 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:17.840 I always say this is like the greats, Like, you know, 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:20.600 if we think of Kendrick right, think about that control freestyle, 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:22.960 I shouldn't. I don't even think that shit came out 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:25.960 on the Control verse. Rather wasn't even a freestyle. But 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:28.200 I don't think that song ever officially came out. It's 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:32.400 just like leaked on the blogs. And he would never 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:35.639 think about that moment how important that was where he 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:40.200 was like, Yo, nobody's fucking with me. Sometimes you gotta, hey, 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:44.320 smoking on your top five. This is the most low 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:49.080 profile motherfucker in the game, period and out of nowhere 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:52.160 smoking on your top five. Like sometimes you gotta hit 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:57.040 motherfuckers in their mouth so they respect you, period period. Nah, 0:20:57.080 --> 0:21:01.040 for sure, man, that that's great. So you know, I 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:05.240 feel like I saw the video, right, you shot a 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:08.399 lot of that when you were in Africa? Absolutely Legos? 0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:12.280 Where where wash? Like? Time wise, when when did you 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:16.919 go to Africa? I want to say Marchbruary this year, 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:20.080 Fabruary of twenty twenty one, right, yes, So talk about 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:22.760 that trip because that's kind of an interesting time or 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:26.160 kind of like mentally feels like we're over the pandemic 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:28.120 even though it shit's still hot, you know what I'm saying. 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:32.679 But how was that trip? Man? That trip was, by 0:21:32.680 --> 0:21:35.960 the way, first time there. No, that was my second time, okay, Jerry. 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:39.800 I had been to Abuja, Okay, which is the capital. 0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:41.840 I hadn't been to Legos, which is like the old 0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:44.680 capitol where it's way more history and stuff, way more 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:51.000 people in Legos. That trip was interesting, man, because one 0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:55.640 traveling during you know, pandemic time or whatever we want 0:21:55.680 --> 0:22:00.480 to call this era. It's just it's a heavy lift, 0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:04.240 you know that. Like literally the airport experience is a 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:07.520 whole different experience when you enter in another country during 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:10.919 that time. So it's damn near traumatic because it's like, 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:15.080 you know, you're getting stopped a million times. I got threatened, 0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:18.720 like within the first but in the first fifteen minutes 0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:21.240 I got threatened to get arrested because my mask wasn't 0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:23.520 over my nose, you know what I'm saying, Oh my god, 0:22:23.560 --> 0:22:25.879 it was below my nose. And she's like, lift your 0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:28.600 mask above your nose. I was like, okay, for sure, 0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:31.119 haphass Lee and I'm talking though, so I'm talking and 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:33.560 my mouth is opening up and down like a yeah, Shanks, 0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:35.280 we got this and that and the other, discussing where 0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:38.680 we're going, what the plan is it? Come back down. 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:40.119 I got two bags in my hand, so I'm not 0:22:40.160 --> 0:22:42.160 thinking about it. She's like, if I have to tell 0:22:42.200 --> 0:22:44.080 you this again, I am going to have you arrested. 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:48.960 And I was like, I was like, down, Smoky, down, 0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:52.560 like I want to You're not it. Yeah. I wanted 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:53.959 to be like, man, I don't want to have to 0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:56.080 sock on those security guards if you don't have me 0:22:56.160 --> 0:22:59.040 arrest and make sure the real police come because it's 0:22:59.040 --> 0:23:02.919 too early. The plane ride was too long, like we 0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:05.000 had already gotten stopped so many times that I was 0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:07.760 it had to be connecting flight right, oh, absolutely what 0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:12.040 we might have flown through London or something and so, 0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:14.960 but of course that was all going on in my head. 0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:18.200 I pulled up my mask and was like, and it 0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:21.720 just what gets me is they always got like they 0:23:21.720 --> 0:23:24.399 always got the black people policing the black people. You 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:26.119 know what I'm saying. They got somebody looked like my 0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:29.040 auntie telling me pull up your mask, you know what 0:23:29.080 --> 0:23:31.400 I'm saying. And I know she's just doing her job, 0:23:31.440 --> 0:23:35.880 but you know, it just ends up and me feeling violated. 0:23:36.000 --> 0:23:40.000 Like listen, the world is going, it's fucking crazy. The 0:23:40.040 --> 0:23:43.560 world is fucking crazy, dude. And I'm vaccinated, right, but 0:23:43.680 --> 0:23:47.080 like a lot of the shaming and like the I 0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:50.280 like to call it caring shit going on against people 0:23:50.280 --> 0:23:54.439 who aren't vaccinated, it's so fucking ridiculous. Absolutely, it like 0:23:54.520 --> 0:23:56.240 makes me sick. Like when I see people the way 0:23:56.560 --> 0:23:59.159 talking about Kyrie Irving and shit, I'm like, yo, like 0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:01.840 not like people have the freedom to do what they 0:24:01.880 --> 0:24:05.080 want with their body. They want to do whatever the fuck. 0:24:05.200 --> 0:24:07.959 And I'm vaccinated, and I get the run me the booster, 0:24:08.040 --> 0:24:09.879 run me all the shots. Fuck it. You know, I 0:24:09.920 --> 0:24:12.080 already got a fucking Michael trip in my pocket everywhere 0:24:12.080 --> 0:24:13.320 I go, you know where the fuck I'm at, I 0:24:13.359 --> 0:24:16.080 got I got two phones right, you got kids, yeah, 0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:20.800 for sure. But this this, this, the world is going crazy, bro, 0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:25.439 like definitively like crazy, like motherfuckers are. So you know 0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:28.600 it's crazy because as much as Trump divided us, it's 0:24:28.640 --> 0:24:34.120 COVID shit. Oh it might be worse. Oh easy, it's easy. 0:24:34.480 --> 0:24:36.600 It's wild, bro. I feel like we're in a movie. 0:24:36.600 --> 0:24:40.760 Bro as wild. It's it's a whole different planet. It 0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:44.240 seems like it's it's just if you read there. They 0:24:44.280 --> 0:24:47.679 are books that were written long before this time that 0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:57.160 talk about the the dangers of of information, like information 0:24:57.280 --> 0:25:01.880 being controlled by one central entity, the way people view 0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:05.280 one or two right, the way people view the world, 0:25:05.359 --> 0:25:10.280 the way our opinions are so fed and you know, 0:25:10.320 --> 0:25:13.600 it's so built into our daily schedule, whether it's TV, 0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:18.200 whether it's Instagram, that we're not even aware that our 0:25:18.280 --> 0:25:22.680 opinions are being regurgitated. Is what we heard, and we're 0:25:22.760 --> 0:25:24.440 kind of told to believe, you know what I'm saying. 0:25:24.440 --> 0:25:26.600 And people feel so strongly about them, like they came 0:25:26.680 --> 0:25:28.919 up with it, you know what I'm saying. So I 0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:31.720 came up in a time where critical thinking was encouraged. 0:25:31.760 --> 0:25:35.560 Just something that's good, like ask questions because it's only 0:25:35.600 --> 0:25:38.760 gonna either get you closer to the truth or give 0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:41.280 you a better understanding of something that you didn't already know. 0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:44.719 But now now we're in a time where the people 0:25:44.760 --> 0:25:51.919 who ask questions are made to seem like dangerous, like 0:25:52.160 --> 0:25:56.200 the literal word dangerous. You're dangerous, I mean you, it's 0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:59.560 dangerous Nikki. And I saw what Nikki like all this stuff, 0:25:59.640 --> 0:26:02.359 Nikki to it and people acted like she killed a 0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:06.159 baby on the internet, and I was like, am I 0:26:06.240 --> 0:26:09.200 missing something here? Did she not say she'd get vaccinated 0:26:09.200 --> 0:26:11.960 if she had to to go on tour? Like? What 0:26:12.000 --> 0:26:16.000 the fuck is going on? Right? Right? No, the narrative 0:26:16.119 --> 0:26:21.919 is that they, whoever the fuck they are, would like 0:26:22.000 --> 0:26:29.199 for people to believe that that by having choosing to 0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:33.920 exercise your ownership of your own body in a way 0:26:33.920 --> 0:26:37.320 that says no, or let me ask some questions here 0:26:38.800 --> 0:26:41.080 or or at the at the end of the day, 0:26:41.119 --> 0:26:45.560 it's the no that bothers people like no, it's you know, yeah, 0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:47.600 you know, I mean the question. I mean, the questions 0:26:47.760 --> 0:26:52.000 are are deemed as problematic as well, because you know, 0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:56.159 ultimately you want people to to be able to be 0:26:56.200 --> 0:26:58.560 told to do But we're getting too far into that 0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:02.600 ship like the reaction. The world is fucking weird, so 0:27:02.760 --> 0:27:08.000 we should people should feel comfortable being honest. And we 0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:10.200 talk about shaming when it comes to women. We talk 0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:13.320 about shaming when it comes to you know what I'm saying, 0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:15.080 We don't want to talk about it when it comes 0:27:15.119 --> 0:27:18.919 to people who say I disagree. I feel like like 0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:22.200 we are in an era where everyone is shamed if 0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:25.360 they don't go for the status quo for anything socially right. 0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:28.360 And it's like, you know, you can't have any independent 0:27:28.400 --> 0:27:33.640 thoughts without being boxed into one one world. Like it's like, hey, 0:27:33.680 --> 0:27:36.119 if you you either think and agree with me on 0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:40.880 every issue, or you're this, or you're dangerous, or you're dangerous, 0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:43.480 or you're a piece of shit or you're whatever the 0:27:43.480 --> 0:27:45.800 fuck it is where it's like what happened? But the 0:27:45.920 --> 0:27:49.280 powerful part is I come from a school where as 0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:51.119 soon as people start trying to make you out to 0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:55.120 be something like I, I you know, what's that song 0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:59.480 I be? That be all that I'm dangerous? Let's you 0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:02.840 know what I'm saying. The time, you know ex, I 0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:05.520 was like she was mad at something I did, and 0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:07.760 and and it was just it was like a brief 0:28:08.119 --> 0:28:10.800 like a brief little relationship. We was trying something. It 0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:13.400 didn't work, you know, And in my book, I'm like, hey, 0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:15.720 it didn't work. We can be cool because we're grown 0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:18.800 and it's respect. But she started calling me on my 0:28:18.920 --> 0:28:22.120 name like you this, you this. I was like, hey, 0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:24.679 you know, I'm not sure what you used to, but 0:28:25.560 --> 0:28:28.119 once you think that about me, you're you're free to 0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:30.640 walk away. You don't have to call me names. Just 0:28:30.840 --> 0:28:32.880 don't call me, you know what I'm saying. And then 0:28:33.000 --> 0:28:35.720 she kept calling me names, but calling me to call 0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:38.680 me names. So I was like, how about this, I'm him, 0:28:39.160 --> 0:28:41.000 I'm that guy. You know what I'm saying. If you 0:28:41.040 --> 0:28:43.600 want to call me fuck nigga. You want to call 0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:48.320 me something, I'm him now exactly save me as that 0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:50.640 in your phone. So if you ever pick up the 0:28:50.640 --> 0:28:53.400 phone to call me, know that you're calling him. And 0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:55.640 you got to feel some kind of way about that. Yeah, 0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:58.280 we talked about you, you know, having a gun illegally 0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:02.240 and and and like the gun thing or or semi. 0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:04.560 I don't know the complications of having a gun a 0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:08.160 legal owner of a firearm. I mean when you were 0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:11.160 talking about moving, I don't know. Yeah, well, we're talked 0:29:11.160 --> 0:29:13.840 about the complications of being a legal firearm owner here 0:29:13.840 --> 0:29:16.480 in California. In California, we gotta have the fucking clip 0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:21.239 in the trunk ship by the time you fucking go 0:29:21.240 --> 0:29:25.080 get through dangerous. Well, what's crazy is like my whole 0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:27.760 life I been I wouldn't say an anti gun person, 0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:31.280 but I never gravitated towards guns. But I never really understood, 0:29:31.320 --> 0:29:33.640 Like I kind of have evolved on the issue since 0:29:33.640 --> 0:29:36.680 I moved here because I'm like, yo, it's low key 0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:40.040 really hard to protect yourself out here. It's like and 0:29:40.640 --> 0:29:42.200 what we talked about earlier, like when I say that 0:29:42.240 --> 0:29:44.520 to certain people, they look at me like I'm a 0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:48.160 fucking maga person or something, because I'm like, yeah, I 0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:52.320 think we should be able to have guns like period, period. 0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:55.440 And its the assumption on one person's part that that 0:29:55.520 --> 0:29:59.120 makes you automatically more powerful than the next. It I 0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:02.320 think in a certain way, because I think in a 0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:08.360 certain way it gives people. It just levels the plan field, right, 0:30:08.440 --> 0:30:10.880 And I also believe in if you if you're a 0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:13.440 gun owner, you also need to be ready and willing 0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:17.240 to remove yourself from a situation. Still exit, of course, 0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:21.520 still of course, being very very well tempered and mannered. 0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:23.600 Just because you have a gun, that's that does not 0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:25.160 give you a reason to react any differently than you 0:30:25.160 --> 0:30:27.000 would react to any other situation. I also think you 0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:28.920 should go through a background check to make sure it's 0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:31.720 some crazy motherfucker. But the just don't make you bullying 0:30:32.560 --> 0:30:34.960 undred but I do. I'm like, you know what we 0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:38.560 think about, Like you know, on this side of LA 0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:41.240 right now, like you know, West Hollywood, Melrose, shit is 0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:43.200 hot out here. 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Talk 0:32:25.720 --> 0:32:28.200 about getting nominated for Best Rap Album of the Year 0:32:28.240 --> 0:32:30.040 and Best New Artist of the Year, which I even 0:32:30.080 --> 0:32:32.440 think is a bigger deal because that's a much harder 0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:37.200 category to crack, right as a rapper. What was your like, 0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:39.960 tell me, like, just your you know, obviously that's a 0:32:40.240 --> 0:32:42.720 life changing moment to gives that when you wake up 0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:44.080 in the morning, you know, I know how those Grammy 0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:46.520 mornings are. When they announced the nominations super fucking early, 0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:49.120 it's East Coast time, Like, what was that? Like? Man, 0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:52.560 we were going to the gun range. Ironically enough, we 0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:56.400 were going to the outdoor gun range where you know, 0:32:56.920 --> 0:32:59.320 you can have multiple people in our section. We are 0:32:59.360 --> 0:33:03.840 shooting down, you know, down the lane, and my mama 0:33:03.880 --> 0:33:05.720 was gonna come all kind of people. It was. It 0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:09.640 was just a hot day and I'm actually in the 0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:12.520 car and we get the call it's like you nominated, 0:33:12.560 --> 0:33:16.120 And we we had grown accustomed to being up for consideration, 0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:19.120 so I'm like, I'm like, okay, nominated, Like we got 0:33:19.160 --> 0:33:22.240 the actual nomination or like we're in consideration for the 0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:25.080 next stage event considered it like no, you have a 0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:30.120 Grammy nomination. You're like, you're gonna be at the Grammys, 0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:32.200 Like what's you mean, right, you know? And then I'm like, 0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:35.800 oh shit, like that, like so it hit us. We 0:33:35.840 --> 0:33:40.520 got excited and and it kind of that's another time 0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:43.280 where our little plans had got derailed because we already 0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:45.600 had what we thought was gonna be a project. It 0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:48.840 wasn't called War and Wonders at the time. We're planning 0:33:48.840 --> 0:33:52.200 on dropping something late twenty twenty, you know, like we're 0:33:52.200 --> 0:33:54.200 gonna hit him in February. We're gonna hit him again, 0:33:54.760 --> 0:33:57.400 you know. And then that happened. So it's like, okay, 0:33:57.480 --> 0:33:59.720 well until the Grammys happened, this is it is still 0:33:59.720 --> 0:34:05.280 Black Habits season, you know. And but so getting getting 0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:10.319 nominated for Best Rap Album, I think it speaks a 0:34:10.360 --> 0:34:14.680 lot to two for Early for early project, for me 0:34:14.760 --> 0:34:17.920 to my storytelling ability, for it being a cohesive body 0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:23.880 of work, and for having a very clear identity among 0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:28.120 the rap albums that came out then. I think for 0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:30.880 Best New Artists, of course it spoke to the body 0:34:30.880 --> 0:34:34.560 of work, but that spoke to my my my new 0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:37.160 presence in this world. You know what I stand for. 0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:39.600 How I show up, the music that I put out, 0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:43.120 the visuals behind it. I think it's just like people 0:34:43.280 --> 0:34:46.719 saw saw me as somebody that came in and fell 0:34:46.800 --> 0:34:49.239 a void, not just on the musical front, but on 0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:51.960 the like you know I come from. You know, I 0:34:51.960 --> 0:34:54.640 grew up in the nineties, so we had Tupac out 0:34:54.640 --> 0:34:58.279 there being vocal across different boundaries. It was, you know, 0:34:58.320 --> 0:35:00.440 I was a Tupac fan more when I was a 0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:03.319 Tupac music fan, you know what I'm saying. Like when 0:35:03.360 --> 0:35:05.400 Tupac was in a movie, it was it was dope, 0:35:05.800 --> 0:35:08.719 more impactful movie. When Tupac spoke about it issue, you 0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:11.600 wanted to listen. And then when you put out something, 0:35:11.640 --> 0:35:13.400 you know you wanted to learn it too. You know, 0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:15.480 your body is banging, baby, y'all. Let the way you 0:35:15.560 --> 0:35:17.360 flownded time to give it to Daddy Sugar and to 0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:18.799 tell me how you you know what I'm saying, like 0:35:19.120 --> 0:35:21.520 you feel that like because you believe them, you know. 0:35:21.560 --> 0:35:23.760 And I think when we put our music, people believe 0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:27.040 like what I say and where I'm coming from, and 0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:29.319 they want to know more. So I think that worked 0:35:29.360 --> 0:35:31.799 to our advantage. If you ask me, I'm putting out 0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:34.640 better music right now, I agree, you know, better music. 0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:37.880 I love Black Habits, but you know, we were learning. 0:35:37.920 --> 0:35:39.719 We're learning in front of the world, and that's cool. 0:35:39.719 --> 0:35:42.360 I love when that happens, you know. I want the 0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:45.560 world to see me grow. So everything is going how 0:35:45.680 --> 0:35:49.319 supposed to. But I was a little surprised to keep 0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:51.040 it one hundred. I was giving myself to the third 0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:54.920 project because I made Black Habits to tell a very 0:35:54.960 --> 0:35:58.120 specific story. This is my family story in the project. 0:35:58.160 --> 0:36:00.399 When they go back to my first album, I want 0:36:00.440 --> 0:36:03.960 them to find Black Habits about Jackie Ron and their 0:36:04.000 --> 0:36:06.640 three sons, Ron getting locked up, big Bro being from 0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:09.600 families but looking out for his young younger bros. I 0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:11.880 want that story to be what they find, you know, 0:36:11.920 --> 0:36:15.239 and Pops coming home and being a great father. I 0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:19.040 want them to find that whole narrative. So with that 0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:21.880 being like the introduction to a long essay or to 0:36:21.920 --> 0:36:24.280 a novel, I didn't expect, you know what I'm saying 0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:28.359 to get recognized that way. If it was, I kind 0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:30.279 of expect to be et to be the ones you 0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:34.279 know what I'm saying, Like, Hey, lyrics of the years exactly. Yeah, 0:36:34.320 --> 0:36:38.840 I feel like they had categories for that. But it 0:36:38.960 --> 0:36:41.279 kind of speaks to because the Grammys, it's not just 0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:45.560 the black community voting. It speaks to the crossover appeal 0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:48.560 of my story and what I represent when I stand 0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:53.080 up and and either rap speak or just show up, 0:36:53.280 --> 0:36:55.960 you know. And I was proud to have that moment. 0:36:56.000 --> 0:36:58.560 But as you can see, what's more important to me 0:36:58.800 --> 0:37:01.319 is we're here to stay. And they got to see 0:37:01.320 --> 0:37:04.200 that every time we put some out it's worth being respected, 0:37:04.560 --> 0:37:09.799 it's enjoyable, and were pushing boundaries so well were I mean, obviously, 0:37:10.160 --> 0:37:12.319 you know I always say this, I do think that 0:37:12.600 --> 0:37:19.480 the pandemic did help people enjoy lyricism again because there 0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:22.920 wasn't no clubs to be standing on couches. Was all 0:37:22.960 --> 0:37:25.239 that shit was out the door. Motherfuckers was listening at 0:37:25.239 --> 0:37:28.600 home in their headphones or in their car or running 0:37:28.719 --> 0:37:30.840 or whatever. People were listening to music a lot differently, 0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:33.600 and I think that the Best Rap Album nominations really 0:37:33.640 --> 0:37:39.040 reflected a scope of music that was like kind of 0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:41.399 like showed us where we were for the last year. 0:37:41.520 --> 0:37:48.000 People were listening differently Black, Like I can imagine doing 0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:50.560 an album that's like all talking my shit, you know 0:37:50.600 --> 0:37:53.080 what I'm saying, and a time like that to kind 0:37:53.080 --> 0:37:57.560 of bite you in the ass, like people would get mad. 0:37:57.640 --> 0:37:59.960 It's like we're dealing with realer stuff. I think it's 0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:03.839 season even a casual listener to want just a little 0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:06.920 bit more, you know, Yeah, yeah, for sure, man. But 0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:10.400 of course I enjoy all kinds of music, so even 0:38:11.000 --> 0:38:13.480 even from like who people understand is like the somewhat 0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:17.960 conscious educator dude. It's like, man, music serves multiple purposes, 0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:20.840 so I don't know none of it. But twenty twenty 0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:23.920 was a time where they were like, Okay, who's actually 0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:26.759 able to speak to what's going on? And if not 0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:29.520 speak to what's going on, say something that that at 0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:36.279 least has some semblance of truth and honesty and real storytelling. 0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:41.600 If you think of the nominees, it was Alfredo Black Habits, Royce. 0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:46.920 Shout out to Royce for finally getting one King's disease, 0:38:47.239 --> 0:38:50.640 I'm missing one Chica, Oh yeah, j Electronic Chica was 0:38:50.880 --> 0:38:53.880 best Electronic. And it was like, Yo, these are all 0:38:53.960 --> 0:38:57.319 like this is all bars lyricism straight up, And it 0:38:57.400 --> 0:38:59.160 was just like, Yo, whoever wins, it's like a win 0:38:59.200 --> 0:39:01.840 for the culture. I knew it was going to be Nas. 0:39:02.320 --> 0:39:05.640 I told her. I was like, it better and I'm nominated, 0:39:05.640 --> 0:39:07.120 but I'm like, all right, if I take it home. 0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:09.440 I knew I was gonna feel some kind of way, like, 0:39:09.480 --> 0:39:13.560 oh shit, because I one. Because it's like you ever 0:39:13.600 --> 0:39:17.359 seen a boxing match where two fighters bang it out 0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:21.560 and one is famous or real famous, and he kind 0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:24.640 of gets whooped a little bit, but you know, he 0:39:24.719 --> 0:39:26.920 smiles and raises his hand after the fight too, like 0:39:27.040 --> 0:39:28.920 yeah I won, and we're like, no, the fuck you did? 0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:33.440 And then they announced, uh this dude, you know, the 0:39:34.040 --> 0:39:38.160 popular one wins. You know, they look on their face 0:39:38.200 --> 0:39:41.480 always tells the story like yeah, thanks, but it's like, damn. 0:39:41.640 --> 0:39:43.439 You know I loved King's Disease. I din't. I didn't 0:39:43.440 --> 0:39:45.719 think it was the best album in that category, but 0:39:45.960 --> 0:39:48.600 I knew he would win because Nas has never won 0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:51.200 a Grammy. It's his time. It's his time, man, he 0:39:51.520 --> 0:39:55.000 deserves I wish they should could retroactively give Nomadic and 0:39:55.560 --> 0:39:57.160 it was written and you know all that. So I 0:39:57.200 --> 0:39:59.080 was like, yo, like, now's the time for them to 0:39:59.080 --> 0:40:01.440 do right by Nas, Like it's kind of like all 0:40:01.440 --> 0:40:04.719 that time. Leonardo DiCaprio never had an Oscar and then 0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:06.239 he got one for the Revenant, and it was like, 0:40:06.880 --> 0:40:09.400 there's other roles he probably should have gotten, but he 0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:12.000 deserves Just give him a fucking He's Leo, he deserves 0:40:12.000 --> 0:40:15.040 a fucking Oscar. Nas Knee is a Grammy Absolutely who 0:40:15.040 --> 0:40:18.480 won Best New Artists? I don't uh make the Stallion 0:40:18.880 --> 0:40:24.240 shout out to Megan Meg had a fucking year for sure, man, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:40:24.280 --> 0:40:28.000 If you had to pick a winner outside of Black 0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:31.560 Habits for in your opinion, what was the best album? Now? 0:40:31.560 --> 0:40:34.120 Who deserved to win? Like? You know, obviously we can 0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:36.080 say Nas. You know it was a good look for 0:40:36.120 --> 0:40:38.160 NOAs to get it. Who I like? I like? I 0:40:38.239 --> 0:40:42.520 did like King's Disease a lot. I also like, Uh, 0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:46.719 I also like, what is that not the algorithm? Uh? 0:40:47.320 --> 0:40:52.520 You're talking about the Royce shiit? The allegory is allegory. Yeah, yeah, 0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:55.760 I'm saying algorithm allegory. Yeah, he killed that as Furo 0:40:57.080 --> 0:40:58.920 was tight as hell, And I'm just talking about like 0:40:59.120 --> 0:41:03.480 Royce is a beast. It flowed, he wrapped his motherfucking 0:41:03.520 --> 0:41:05.200 ass off. You know what I'm saying. I can't I 0:41:05.200 --> 0:41:08.000 said algorithm, but allegory was hard. It was fire. I 0:41:08.000 --> 0:41:11.080 put it on and ran. When I was living downtown 0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:13.200 couldn't do much, but I can put it on and 0:41:13.360 --> 0:41:15.920 ran and was just gone. It was just good to 0:41:15.960 --> 0:41:18.120 see him get that nomination too, man, because he's one 0:41:18.120 --> 0:41:22.080 of the all time greats like lyrics, lyrically, he's your 0:41:22.120 --> 0:41:25.680 rapper's favorite rapp top tier. I feel like him Loope. 0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:28.960 There's like a few guys who are like absolute master 0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:31.360 level alien mcs who just don't get the respect and 0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:34.520 like and Royce is one of those guys. Absolutely shout 0:41:34.520 --> 0:41:38.680 out to Royce. So with this project, you have John 0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:42.000 Legends on the album, your Brother's on the album, Boogie's 0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:47.719 on the album, marsham Broch is on the album. Uh not? 0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:50.160 I mean really, I want to say, outside of Boogie, 0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:55.439 was that the sole hip hop feature? Uh? Toby Okay? Yeah, 0:41:56.120 --> 0:42:00.600 he's incredible, incredible, Yeah, genius, He's I fucking that dude, 0:42:00.880 --> 0:42:05.160 A true artist. Yeah, his visual just everything about his aesthetic, 0:42:05.680 --> 0:42:08.080 the should he be saying it is so ill and 0:42:08.080 --> 0:42:12.200 it's just and it's so direct and like, yeah, why 0:42:12.239 --> 0:42:16.080 has nobody ever said this like this before? Period? And 0:42:16.239 --> 0:42:21.600 unapologetics from Houston? Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Houston Niger boy, 0:42:21.680 --> 0:42:24.319 he said some ship, Like what was that recor? He said, 0:42:24.480 --> 0:42:27.759 because I throw hands? What the fuck is Yeah, try Jesus. 0:42:28.040 --> 0:42:31.920 Don't try me because I thrown hands, Like, come on, bro, 0:42:32.520 --> 0:42:34.839 the why is no one ever said that? Come on 0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:38.879 try Jesus, not me, Like, you know, Toby's on there, 0:42:39.000 --> 0:42:42.640 so we're very selective and it's like Toby's the one 0:42:42.840 --> 0:42:45.440 one rapper because that's just my bro. I feel like 0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:50.560 our position in life is so similar. Both college graduates, 0:42:50.600 --> 0:42:53.759 family men that are just like have this strong sense 0:42:53.760 --> 0:42:56.160 of responsibility to our family and a place where we're 0:42:56.200 --> 0:43:00.640 from too, you know, to be lyrical, to chatallenge what 0:43:00.719 --> 0:43:03.200 it means to be at the top, because you know, 0:43:03.239 --> 0:43:05.239 he rapped like he going for the top seed, you 0:43:05.239 --> 0:43:08.640 know what I'm saying. And but he's still he does 0:43:08.680 --> 0:43:13.160 so without compromising himself. There's a lot of mutual respect there. 0:43:13.640 --> 0:43:16.680 And then and then west Side Bugie is just like 0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:21.279 he that's the man like on my underrated list of 0:43:21.440 --> 0:43:24.120 like and I didn't say him because he's on the album, 0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:27.880 but on my list of underrated rappers and artists. You know, 0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:31.400 I saw him perform before the world really knew about him. 0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:35.200 It was an event at the Adida Store in Hollywood, 0:43:35.960 --> 0:43:38.600 and this is Sir performed there too. So I'm back 0:43:38.600 --> 0:43:42.200 there supporting Sir on a song. And so the world 0:43:42.200 --> 0:43:44.960 don't even really know what songs I have where I'm 0:43:45.000 --> 0:43:47.200 featured on the Surf song because it's on the early 0:43:47.239 --> 0:43:51.000 evenings and stuff. But I'm performing that with him, and 0:43:51.320 --> 0:43:54.200 then Buggie get up and rip it, and you got 0:43:54.239 --> 0:43:56.880 the you know, the signs of like, oh there's some 0:43:56.960 --> 0:43:59.160 gang bang street ship. But I'm like, oh shit, he's 0:43:59.160 --> 0:44:04.000 a lyricist. Oh shit, he telling stories like like Bugie's dope. 0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:07.520 You know. So we're being selected. I got all kind 0:44:07.560 --> 0:44:10.600 of voices and singers and stuff like that. But when 0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:13.840 it comes to and musicians really like my boy Marcus 0:44:13.840 --> 0:44:18.160 Paul playing the horns on several songs. But when it 0:44:18.200 --> 0:44:19.840 came to rappers, it was like, we're gonna have a 0:44:19.920 --> 0:44:22.759 couple of moments. You know. I did reach out to 0:44:22.920 --> 0:44:26.600 YG you know what I'm saying. We connected on you know, 0:44:26.800 --> 0:44:29.440 on several things from a community van. We keep just 0:44:29.480 --> 0:44:32.480 running into each other, but for this project it didn't happen. 0:44:32.560 --> 0:44:36.040 So you know, we went ahead and move forward. Tell 0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:38.400 me if this is right or wrong? I don't know 0:44:38.480 --> 0:44:40.360 why I keep hearing focal or you having a record 0:44:40.400 --> 0:44:47.960 with Cardi b tucked no comment. Okay, in my opinion, 0:44:48.000 --> 0:44:51.719 that means yes, I'm gonna say no comment because if 0:44:51.760 --> 0:44:53.759 I say no. If I say no, I'm also saying 0:44:53.800 --> 0:44:57.440 it's not supposed to happen. That's fair. Okay. It could be. 0:44:57.520 --> 0:44:58.960 It could be a yes, it could be a no, 0:44:59.160 --> 0:45:02.440 but I'm gonna say no comment. I look forward to 0:45:02.440 --> 0:45:05.160 to reconnecting with Cardi, though, you know what I'm saying, 0:45:05.280 --> 0:45:08.680 it's been a minute since we we got in you know. Well, 0:45:08.719 --> 0:45:10.799 I mean there, that's another thing. Rhythm and Flow season 0:45:10.800 --> 0:45:13.680 two was gonna happen, and then the pandemic happened, and 0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:15.839 I'm sure you would have made an appearance in some capacity. Yeah. 0:45:15.800 --> 0:45:17.600 I would have sure showed up and be like, hey, 0:45:17.920 --> 0:45:19.400 you would have been like a guest. I guess I 0:45:19.440 --> 0:45:22.839 guess Judge for an episode or something like the LA episode, Like, yeah, 0:45:22.840 --> 0:45:26.160 we got guess Judge, right, I remember when I was there, 0:45:26.440 --> 0:45:29.600 you know. But no, you know, if they need me, 0:45:29.600 --> 0:45:32.080 when they when they pulling up, I'll show up for them. 0:45:32.080 --> 0:45:34.600 But I don't know when and if that's going to happen, 0:45:34.680 --> 0:45:38.560 so in a different time. You know, how how hard 0:45:38.640 --> 0:45:41.760 is it to find people who can make your visuals 0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:45.279 come to life? You've done a good job of finding 0:45:45.280 --> 0:45:46.799 those people, I like to point out, but man, like 0:45:46.880 --> 0:45:51.319 your your videos are so amazing, Like, I think that 0:45:51.440 --> 0:45:56.760 the the bigger question is what is the real effort? 0:45:56.960 --> 0:45:59.239 What role does the artist play and making sure their 0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:02.759 videos come out how they want? You know, you look 0:46:02.800 --> 0:46:05.160 at people's work and you see it's like do they 0:46:05.200 --> 0:46:08.000 have a certain quality a caliber of it. Then you 0:46:08.040 --> 0:46:12.560 add your vision and your attention to detail to their 0:46:12.680 --> 0:46:16.000 experience and capabilities, and then you're gonna have your video. 0:46:16.520 --> 0:46:20.799 It's just I don't think a lot of artists know 0:46:20.960 --> 0:46:26.680 what it means to be be very active in that process, 0:46:27.040 --> 0:46:30.319 you know, from from looking at the small details of 0:46:30.320 --> 0:46:34.480 what the shot list is in the treatment, like like Noah, 0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:36.160 I don't want to do this, and I say no 0:46:36.280 --> 0:46:38.520 a lot, but I'm not gonna just be like hell no, 0:46:38.640 --> 0:46:41.040 I'm gonna be like no, what about this, Let's try 0:46:41.040 --> 0:46:46.160 this and so, And working with like Sergia, who's incredible, 0:46:46.160 --> 0:46:48.360 who did all the nip stuff, it's like we have 0:46:48.680 --> 0:46:53.040 developed a chemistry where it's like he we communicate it 0:46:53.160 --> 0:46:55.400 like expecting both of us to have feedback, you know, 0:46:55.440 --> 0:47:01.480 because I'll shoot a video director a a an idea 0:47:01.840 --> 0:47:04.120 that's super underdeveloped, but it'll give them a sense of 0:47:04.160 --> 0:47:06.480 direction on the okay, where to go treatment, you know 0:47:06.560 --> 0:47:08.600 what I'm saying. For example, when I work with Child 0:47:08.680 --> 0:47:11.960 on the Honeyjack video, great video. I love that video 0:47:12.000 --> 0:47:15.080 and so my favorite one. It's so good. It's a 0:47:15.080 --> 0:47:17.560 little movie, you know. I told her I want to 0:47:17.600 --> 0:47:20.120 do jazz club and it's in the twenties or you know, 0:47:20.239 --> 0:47:24.080 thirties or something, and uh, and then I told her 0:47:24.160 --> 0:47:25.960 I want to be like working in the club and 0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:29.600 drinking and by the end I step up drunk. Every 0:47:29.680 --> 0:47:32.919 detail in between, like from the bus to this, like, yeah, 0:47:33.080 --> 0:47:37.200 where do you find that bus? She did? She Child 0:47:37.239 --> 0:47:39.480 is a genius and their whole team is dope, you know, 0:47:39.640 --> 0:47:43.320 Child and nasty and and so it's always a pleasure 0:47:43.320 --> 0:47:47.120 to work with them. But but yeah, so it just 0:47:47.160 --> 0:47:50.480 depends on it. It's like the artist having an idea 0:47:50.480 --> 0:47:52.399 of what they want to do and how they want 0:47:52.440 --> 0:47:55.960 to be portrayed, you know, Like I know we would 0:47:56.080 --> 0:47:58.759 we had talked before how you were reinvesting a lot 0:47:58.760 --> 0:48:00.880 of the early money you were getting after the show, 0:48:01.000 --> 0:48:03.800 into the into your videos, like into your into the project, 0:48:03.840 --> 0:48:06.600 into your own ship. Right, absolutely, I'm assuming you know 0:48:06.680 --> 0:48:09.880 this is prior. You may be true. I don't know 0:48:09.920 --> 0:48:12.280 when I know you. You ended up getting with Empire 0:48:12.400 --> 0:48:16.240 relatively soon after the show. Yeah, we we shot that video. 0:48:17.480 --> 0:48:21.000 We shot that the first video, and another video on 0:48:21.040 --> 0:48:22.960 our own dollar. So we shot no Commas on our 0:48:22.960 --> 0:48:28.520 own dollar. We shot uh uh Honeyjack on our own dollar, 0:48:28.960 --> 0:48:33.080 you know, and put together other materials around the rollout 0:48:33.400 --> 0:48:35.800 prior to getting with Empire. So by the time Empire 0:48:35.840 --> 0:48:38.080 came along, we had a lot of it already ready 0:48:38.080 --> 0:48:41.319 to go. It was yeah, we had stuff ready to go, 0:48:41.440 --> 0:48:45.400 and that was that was key because we were we 0:48:45.400 --> 0:48:48.040 were negotiations. We didn't just talk to Empire. We talked 0:48:48.080 --> 0:48:50.960 to you know what I'm saying. We talked to Columbia, 0:48:51.080 --> 0:48:55.480 we talked to death Jam. I think we talked to Moldtown. 0:48:55.560 --> 0:48:57.520 I'm sure everybody, I mean everybody was trying to sign you. Yeah, 0:48:57.520 --> 0:49:00.080 they were trying to sign us for sure, but you 0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:02.040 know it was it was too early for them to 0:49:02.080 --> 0:49:04.200 sign us to what we wanted to be signed to. Right, 0:49:04.239 --> 0:49:06.920 You're not going to give up. I always tell everybody, 0:49:07.040 --> 0:49:09.000 don't never signed too fucking early, man, because then you 0:49:09.040 --> 0:49:11.040 end up with the shitty terms. You might have an advance, 0:49:11.080 --> 0:49:13.120 but you better make that shit last because you ain't 0:49:13.120 --> 0:49:15.719 getting no money out of your music. E exactly hell 0:49:15.760 --> 0:49:18.319 of a business person, Well smart man. I mean I 0:49:18.320 --> 0:49:20.359 think that that's something too. Like what I was gonna say, 0:49:20.360 --> 0:49:23.160 it was like you investing in your own ship and 0:49:23.200 --> 0:49:25.920 making sure your visuals were topped here before you had 0:49:27.320 --> 0:49:30.040 you know, all of this. I wouldn't say you added 0:49:30.040 --> 0:49:32.040 some notoriety based off the show, but as far as 0:49:32.080 --> 0:49:35.600 having like respect, respect and all that, like, you know, 0:49:35.640 --> 0:49:37.120 a lot of artists wouldn't do that. You know a 0:49:37.160 --> 0:49:39.080 lot of artists might go get a rover or something 0:49:39.239 --> 0:49:42.600 or or or you know, put their money anywhere outside 0:49:42.880 --> 0:49:50.960 of themselves and their craft. Bentley, Yeah, cash, cash, afford. 0:49:51.640 --> 0:49:53.400 So you took the money from winning the show and 0:49:53.440 --> 0:49:56.000 pretty much just parlayed that into your own ship, right, 0:49:56.160 --> 0:49:59.880 absolutely absolutely, and you know said put something to this 0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:03.040 all right, you know, but the rest of it we invested, 0:50:03.760 --> 0:50:06.800 chipped off my team, chipped off my mom and pops. 0:50:06.840 --> 0:50:09.520 You know what I'm saying. You know, like here kicked 0:50:09.560 --> 0:50:13.879 back a little bit and we just kept working. Would 0:50:13.920 --> 0:50:16.759 you and your brother ever do a joint project together? Yeah, 0:50:16.960 --> 0:50:19.600 hell yeah, we look forward to it. That's got to happen, 0:50:19.800 --> 0:50:23.400 look forward to has that? Has it been discussed? Absolutely, 0:50:23.400 --> 0:50:27.239 We've had some conversations. We've had some conversations. Just got 0:50:27.280 --> 0:50:28.600 to get Top Dog the sign off on it. I'm 0:50:28.600 --> 0:50:30.600 sure I'll do that, no problem. Oh yeah, Top I 0:50:30.600 --> 0:50:36.160 mean Top is he's he's not one to stifle creativity 0:50:36.239 --> 0:50:39.120 or ideas. He's like, how can we make app you 0:50:39.200 --> 0:50:41.520 know what I'm saying. So yeah, that wouldn't even be 0:50:42.040 --> 0:50:44.200 I know, you had gone on the road with your 0:50:44.239 --> 0:50:48.640 brother before and obviously him being a part of one 0:50:48.640 --> 0:50:50.920 of the biggest operations in hip hop TD. Like, what 0:50:51.239 --> 0:50:56.120 are some things that you saw as a spectator kind 0:50:56.120 --> 0:50:58.880 of behind the curtain of what TD does that you've 0:50:59.000 --> 0:51:01.920 learned in kind of a play to d smoke. Absolutely, 0:51:04.080 --> 0:51:09.400 TDE employees don't give nobody no passes, Like if it's 0:51:09.520 --> 0:51:11.719 not right, they own it. And I'm talking about these 0:51:11.760 --> 0:51:14.960 are nice people, you know what I'm saying. TD got 0:51:15.000 --> 0:51:17.239 some gangsters and then they got some scholars. They got 0:51:17.280 --> 0:51:20.080 you know, people see top You know what I'm saying, 0:51:20.640 --> 0:51:25.040 but they got employees from different backgrounds. But the culture 0:51:25.080 --> 0:51:28.000 of it is if it's not right, you're not accepting it, 0:51:28.400 --> 0:51:32.200 you know. And so you know, coming from like the 0:51:32.280 --> 0:51:34.760 regular workplace, whether it be a school where you're a teacher, 0:51:34.760 --> 0:51:37.799 it's like, I want to be the agreeable person. So 0:51:37.800 --> 0:51:40.439 it's like, no will be flexible. I understand. There's none 0:51:40.440 --> 0:51:43.160 of that. There's none of that because when you show up, 0:51:43.600 --> 0:51:46.520 if you make it a habit, or if you have 0:51:46.560 --> 0:51:49.920 a tendency to give people passes, like whether it be 0:51:49.960 --> 0:51:52.600 the hotel stuff ain't right, or you're just not treating 0:51:52.680 --> 0:51:55.160 us right. You don't make a habit of giving people 0:51:55.200 --> 0:51:57.520 money that ain't doing you right. And but when they 0:51:57.600 --> 0:51:59.120 treat you right and they take good care of you, 0:51:59.480 --> 0:52:01.560 then you have a contact for a long period of 0:52:01.560 --> 0:52:04.600 time and you go back to that business and they 0:52:04.640 --> 0:52:06.200 take care of the people that take care of them 0:52:06.560 --> 0:52:08.680 if you're giving them, if you disrespecting them because you 0:52:08.719 --> 0:52:12.160 think we just some rappers showing up, like not that 0:52:12.200 --> 0:52:15.080 they're gonna go big, but they might go big in 0:52:15.120 --> 0:52:18.480 a very professional way, like Okay, we're not having the 0:52:18.560 --> 0:52:21.640 right conversation with the right person. Let's talk to somebody else. 0:52:21.760 --> 0:52:24.399 Oh you that person. Okay, well, since you're the top person, 0:52:24.440 --> 0:52:26.200 I want you to talk to my guy. You know 0:52:26.239 --> 0:52:28.640 what I'm saying, who's the legal person, right, because I'm 0:52:28.640 --> 0:52:31.719 feeling real disrespected right now. You know however it is 0:52:32.239 --> 0:52:35.359 And when that starts happening, things start to get real 0:52:35.480 --> 0:52:38.160 tight around your organization. And then you show up with 0:52:38.200 --> 0:52:43.040 a different level of confidence because people your reputation is 0:52:43.040 --> 0:52:46.640 that your expectation, because your expectation of yourself is high, 0:52:46.880 --> 0:52:49.160 your expectation of how people deal with you is high, 0:52:49.360 --> 0:52:51.680 and if they meet that, then y'all all good. You know, 0:52:52.040 --> 0:52:54.920 there's no problems. It's not like we looking for problems. 0:52:55.040 --> 0:52:57.520 Were just looking for perfection, you know what I'm saying. 0:52:57.560 --> 0:53:01.680 So being on tour with them me that it taught 0:53:01.719 --> 0:53:04.239 me that it's all hands on deck. It taught me that. 0:53:04.920 --> 0:53:08.879 It taught me business structure, right, because there's top dog, 0:53:09.120 --> 0:53:12.040 but each artist has their own day to day one 0:53:12.120 --> 0:53:15.359 or two people. Then as a company, they have people 0:53:15.440 --> 0:53:18.160 who are on multiple teams. You got somebody who might 0:53:18.160 --> 0:53:22.520 be on tour with Isaiah one one group of months, 0:53:22.880 --> 0:53:25.399 and if Isaiah's out off cycle, they'll be helping out 0:53:25.400 --> 0:53:26.960 with the serf stuff. You know what I'm saying, Because 0:53:26.960 --> 0:53:33.040 I saw there was a part where Matt you know Max, Yeah, 0:53:33.640 --> 0:53:38.000 Isaiah's guy. Yes, yeah, Matt came on tour with us, 0:53:38.040 --> 0:53:41.160 and because for some reason Edgar you know, couldn't do 0:53:41.239 --> 0:53:44.239 a certain couple of days, and so then you just 0:53:44.239 --> 0:53:47.200 see these people picking up slacks. So now it's like, Okay, 0:53:47.680 --> 0:53:50.560 I want to structure myself like the winning teams. You 0:53:50.600 --> 0:53:52.640 know what I'm saying. If if I'm in a race, 0:53:53.080 --> 0:53:57.080 I gotta have an engine that the same winning car had. Otherwise, 0:53:57.560 --> 0:54:02.120 you know, I'm already I'm already handycams. So it just 0:54:02.160 --> 0:54:04.360 taught me that ethic. It taught me to be gangster 0:54:04.400 --> 0:54:08.520 about your shit, you know, and not not not unnecessarily 0:54:08.520 --> 0:54:11.799 not that you know, projecting acting tough gangster shit. It's 0:54:11.800 --> 0:54:14.600 none of that, because it's that calm like respect. Treat 0:54:14.600 --> 0:54:18.280 people with respect. But any time people are like careless 0:54:18.280 --> 0:54:21.040 in how they deal with you, it's addressed, you know, 0:54:21.080 --> 0:54:23.960 and corrected if possible. And if they correct their self, 0:54:24.040 --> 0:54:26.600 then you right back home, right boy, Like oh cool, 0:54:26.640 --> 0:54:29.000 See I knew we handle that, you know. So what 0:54:29.160 --> 0:54:32.560 was a lot? I mean, obviously going with Empire where 0:54:32.560 --> 0:54:35.439 you're essentially still independent, You're still in your masters, You're 0:54:35.480 --> 0:54:38.440 you know, you're in a great situation. You know, Empire 0:54:38.480 --> 0:54:41.520 had two other five Rap Album of the Year nominations. 0:54:41.719 --> 0:54:45.799 You know what I'm saying. It's a major indie, you know, 0:54:45.880 --> 0:54:48.080 working closely with Gazi and Nima. What's that like? Because 0:54:48.120 --> 0:54:51.600 I think Gazi and Nima are still somehow underappreciated in 0:54:51.640 --> 0:54:55.760 the music industry for what we're doing. Gazi and Nima 0:54:55.880 --> 0:54:59.400 are extremely supportive, but they're supportive in a sense that 0:54:59.480 --> 0:55:04.880 they as as very independent businessmen. They can see where 0:55:04.920 --> 0:55:07.640 their help is needed or not. So they kind of 0:55:07.680 --> 0:55:09.880 just give us the green light to go our go 0:55:10.040 --> 0:55:13.200 to guy at Empire to really rally people. Is Gentry 0:55:13.600 --> 0:55:16.640 to our gentry? Yes, so Gentry is like riverside Gentry, 0:55:16.800 --> 0:55:23.160 Yes the way, Gentry out the way, buddy. But no, 0:55:23.320 --> 0:55:25.960 Gentry is our go to guy. Gentry travels with us. 0:55:26.360 --> 0:55:28.960 You know what I'm saying, Gentry is there. He's a strategist. 0:55:29.320 --> 0:55:31.680 You know what I'm saying, Gentry. If the energy in 0:55:31.719 --> 0:55:34.760 the building ain't right, Gentry's like, hey, y'all liked smoke? 0:55:34.920 --> 0:55:38.000 Is still that motherfucker? Like the music? He's putting out 0:55:38.000 --> 0:55:40.160 and turning in stuff that he's not putting on. The 0:55:40.200 --> 0:55:44.200 project is still at this at this level, and they 0:55:44.239 --> 0:55:48.880 know I'm gonna do my footwork. You know what I'm saying. This, 0:55:48.880 --> 0:55:51.040 This rap shuit ain't easy, you know what I'm saying. 0:55:51.080 --> 0:55:53.759 So just to show up, just to keep showing up, 0:55:53.920 --> 0:55:57.319 is a decision. But to me, there's no there's no 0:55:57.440 --> 0:55:59.680 alternate decision. So when they put some on the table 0:55:59.680 --> 0:56:02.319 that's going and put us in the room, I'm gonna 0:56:02.320 --> 0:56:05.560 show up, you know. And it might be a hard night, 0:56:05.640 --> 0:56:08.400 it might be a long studio session prior to and 0:56:08.440 --> 0:56:10.560 I might collapse when I lead a room, But when 0:56:10.600 --> 0:56:12.799 I walk in there, they gonna think like, I'm gonna 0:56:12.800 --> 0:56:15.200 be fully present. Yep, you know so, And that's the 0:56:15.280 --> 0:56:19.200 confidence that they have in me, that that that if 0:56:19.239 --> 0:56:20.880 if Gentry has to go back to the people and 0:56:20.920 --> 0:56:23.680 be like, look, let's let's put some energy into this. 0:56:23.800 --> 0:56:28.080 Let's we need the room around this, you know, because 0:56:28.560 --> 0:56:31.319 just because you're signed doesn't mean there's a certain level 0:56:31.320 --> 0:56:33.640 of investment on all the people's parts. It's a lot 0:56:33.640 --> 0:56:37.280 of moving pieces. There's a lot of resources at Empire, 0:56:37.320 --> 0:56:40.279 and it's real powerful when they feel invested in it 0:56:40.640 --> 0:56:43.000 and they rally around something. And they've done that for 0:56:43.040 --> 0:56:46.319 me last time and this time. So you know, our 0:56:46.360 --> 0:56:48.879 first our first agreement was for one project, and then 0:56:49.400 --> 0:56:50.799 based on how that was doing, it was like, hey, 0:56:50.840 --> 0:56:52.399 y'all want to do this again. We was like, let's 0:56:52.400 --> 0:56:54.520 go whilere we going first one did great. You know 0:56:54.560 --> 0:56:56.120 what I'm saying. We got a Grammy nom We got 0:56:56.160 --> 0:56:58.560 two Grammy nominations. And it's a win win. It's a 0:56:58.600 --> 0:57:01.200 win win because they left me with an enough to uh, 0:57:02.200 --> 0:57:04.359 they left me with enough to be able to, uh, 0:57:06.280 --> 0:57:08.479 you know, to make money off of what I'm doing 0:57:08.840 --> 0:57:11.560 and have the freedom but still have that support to 0:57:11.600 --> 0:57:13.719 be like, bro, we're not gonna have you out here 0:57:13.920 --> 0:57:16.200 just spending your money as it comes in all the time. 0:57:16.200 --> 0:57:18.600 We're gonna back you and we're gonna put something together 0:57:18.640 --> 0:57:21.880 that's mutually beneficial. You can still look yourself in the 0:57:21.880 --> 0:57:24.560 mirror and be like, I'm a man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:57:24.600 --> 0:57:29.560 not all contracts. That's important, man, so important. How long 0:57:29.560 --> 0:57:31.640 are we gonna have to wait for the next album, 0:57:31.640 --> 0:57:33.640 because I know you said that there's gonna be one 0:57:33.720 --> 0:57:35.919 almost right after Black Habits. We're like, we're gonna drop 0:57:35.920 --> 0:57:37.720 this and then Hip upside the Head and then you know, 0:57:37.800 --> 0:57:40.680 so so shoot, shoot. It all depends on what the 0:57:40.720 --> 0:57:43.120 next album is. You know, we got a lot of music, 0:57:43.680 --> 0:57:47.120 and so it's crazy making music you love that don't 0:57:47.120 --> 0:57:48.680 make the playlist. You want to put it out just 0:57:48.680 --> 0:57:50.760 because it's like, I don't want to hold it from you. 0:57:51.120 --> 0:57:53.240 But then when you also make working on a body 0:57:53.280 --> 0:57:56.120 of work, if it don't fit in the track list, 0:57:56.160 --> 0:57:58.160 you're like, okay, well maybe we hold onto this or 0:57:58.200 --> 0:58:00.440 you know, or pitch it for a movie, you know what. 0:58:00.480 --> 0:58:02.640 I'm maybe in five years we get De Smoke's Lost 0:58:02.640 --> 0:58:05.720 Tapes his version of Lost Tapes just keep collecting, or 0:58:05.800 --> 0:58:09.680 Kendrick you know where Kendrick's untitled you know stuff. Yeahs 0:58:10.120 --> 0:58:12.680 oh my god, n titled had get top on the 0:58:12.960 --> 0:58:15.479 come on Lost Tapes was fucking the first Lost Tapes 0:58:15.560 --> 0:58:19.880 was crazy. Oh Blaze of fifty exactly. Well, listen, man, 0:58:19.880 --> 0:58:23.240 the album is out, go get it. I'm sure you 0:58:23.280 --> 0:58:25.520 can be rolling out some more visuals soon. Absolutely, we 0:58:25.640 --> 0:58:29.000 already own it and anything else that you got going 0:58:29.040 --> 0:58:32.360 on you want to plug man, any we're going on tour, 0:58:32.720 --> 0:58:35.080 of course, the tour coming to a city near you, 0:58:35.120 --> 0:58:37.720 coming to a city near you. Just announced it right 0:58:37.720 --> 0:58:40.760 before you pull up. On the go get your tickets, man, 0:58:40.800 --> 0:58:42.880 all right, go buy some merch. I like the I 0:58:42.960 --> 0:58:46.160 like the hoodie. Is this a purchasable hoodies? This is 0:58:46.200 --> 0:58:49.120 not purchase. It's one on one. Well there's that. I 0:58:49.160 --> 0:58:51.720 got to ride one on one. But we got some stuff. 0:58:51.760 --> 0:58:53.560 All right, man, We'll go support the Homi D smoke 0:58:53.680 --> 0:58:54.680 appreciate perfect