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Speaker 2: I feel like our son abandoned us he refuses to

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Speaker 3: Let the bird free, let him flap his wings.

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Speaker 2: I have a fifty six female and I live with

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Speaker 2: my husband, sixty four male. We only have one son,

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Speaker 2: thirty three male, who currently lives abroad, and we see

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Speaker 2: each other once a year as it's very far away

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Speaker 2: and expensive to go. By the way, this comes from loving.

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Speaker 3: Mom twelve so sweet.

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Speaker 2: We live in a small town. He moved away when

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Speaker 2: he was eighteen for college and never came back. We

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Speaker 2: expected him to move back after he graduated, but he

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Speaker 2: decided to stay where he was since he already had

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Speaker 2: a job and a girlfriend there. They got married. Our

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Speaker 2: town is close to our state's capital, where his his

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Speaker 2: work field is very strong. Ever since his senior in college,

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Speaker 2: I've been trying to convince him to move closer for

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Speaker 2: a better career and to stay close to his family.

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Speaker 2: He never showed interest, which I find odd, especially since

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Speaker 2: his wife also works in the same field today. I

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Speaker 2: never told anything besides let them know me and his

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Speaker 2: father are always here if they needed us. Until recently,

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Speaker 2: things were fine mine. I miss him a lot. We

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Speaker 2: text every day, but we don't get to speak to

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Speaker 2: each other often. The problem is my father eighty four male,

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Speaker 2: whose health took a dive and is very fragile, and

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Speaker 2: with my son living so far away, he's missing precious

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Speaker 2: time he could be spending right here. His granddad is

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Speaker 2: not likely to live many years from now. I told

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Speaker 2: and he came to see us and left a week ago.

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Speaker 2: I was honest with him. I said, his grandfather will

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Speaker 2: not stay with us for so long, and since he

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Speaker 2: lives very far away, he will who's the opportunity to

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Speaker 2: stay close and enjoy the time he has left. He

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Speaker 2: was not happy about me touching on this matter. He

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Speaker 2: said I was trying to guilt him into moving back,

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Speaker 2: which is true. I asked him why he was doing

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Speaker 2: this to me, Oh, could you Why doesn't he miss man?

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Speaker 4: His dad?

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Speaker 2: We are getting old and he's only seeing us once

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Speaker 2: or twice a year. It's cruel to us.

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Speaker 3: Well, she's going harder and harder ramping.

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Speaker 5: Mama just wants her baby bird back.

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Speaker 2: He said he missed us, but he's happy where he

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Speaker 2: is and does not plan on moving back, and he

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Speaker 2: and his wife are already making plans on buying a

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Speaker 3: I wonder, I wonder where a broad they're living.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I couldn't take it, and I

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Speaker 2: burst out crying. I told him I felt abandoned, that

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Speaker 2: he didn't seem to care for us, and he should

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Speaker 2: enjoy his family while he can, because we will. We

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Speaker 2: will not be here forever. I asked, what makes him

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Speaker 2: The few days after this were very awkward, and after

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Speaker 2: being very short on his text.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday his wife called and said my son was feeling

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Speaker 2: to be closer to me. They are the a hole

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Speaker 2: for abandoning family okay, am I including her as well,

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Speaker 2: since she did the same. I talked to her mother often,

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Speaker 3: Her mother agrees with me. I am right, I must

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize we could edit the original post. I

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Speaker 2: just want to add some information. I'm not asking my

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Speaker 2: I just can't see why he needed to be so

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Speaker 2: up my life to become his mother, and that's not true.

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Speaker 2: I retired six years ago. I realized there is a

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Speaker 2: my husband already talked about this, and unless my son

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Speaker 2: of us. Just to clarify, I'm not Indian. While I

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Speaker 2: I just want to clarify I'm South American. My son

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Speaker 2: currently lives in North America. And there is another edit

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Speaker 2: which we'll also read. I think I'm getting it. It's

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Speaker 2: really cultural. Most people here seem to be from the US,

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Speaker 2: and I understand it's really normal for families to be

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Speaker 2: other just once a year at Christmas or Thanksgiving, for example.

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Speaker 2: I was raised to believe family should stick together. I

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Speaker 2: expected him to keep this tradition. But he's broken it.

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Speaker 2: It's not his fault, but I will never understand this decision.

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Speaker 2: This will probably be the last time I'm editing the post.

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Speaker 2: I realized that I will never understand my son's motivation

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Speaker 2: he broke free from our culture of family closeness. No,

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Speaker 2: I am completely una, No, I am completely unable to

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Speaker 2: see the world how he does. And I just have

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Speaker 2: to accept it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, dang, I am.

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Speaker 2: Still feeling abandoned, neglected, and I'm resenting his decisions. I

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Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa, it's a mama Bird's a mamma vulte.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy how much she like, she recognizes that she's like.

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Speaker 3: He seems like she has a lot of self awareness. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: she sees the other possibility of like understanding his worldview,

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Speaker 3: and she's like, I'm good him. I'm tak him out

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Speaker 2: You're taking him out of the will.

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Speaker 3: It's wild that said.

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Speaker 2: I have to accept he had opted a new culture

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Speaker 2: I'm rethinking my will because why should I leave everything

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Speaker 3: I don't like it's really messed up we have thinking.

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Speaker 2: His cousins are all nearby and they help us when

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Speaker 2: he gets to live where he wants, far away from us,

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Speaker 2: and I get to choose whoever goes on my will choices. Right,

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Speaker 2: he's so vidious.

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Speaker 6: And there is another edit.

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Speaker 3: I've four out of Edit twenty every edit it. This

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Speaker 2: Edit, but but I've rethought my will.

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Speaker 3: And he's out of it again.

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Speaker 2: Edit four. I'm not writing him off my will. I

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Speaker 2: was angry, frustrated, and sad when I wrote that. My God,

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Speaker 2: I never expected him to give up his life for me.

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Speaker 2: All I want is my son to be close to

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Speaker 2: difficult for you people to see my points. Poor woman,

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Speaker 2: my son has everything he could possibly need to be successful,

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Speaker 2: I'm proud he is a good professional, a good husband,

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Speaker 2: and I'm happy to have helped him pave this road.

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Speaker 2: I still think he's a horrible person.

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Speaker 3: For choosing self who I feel like that's the she

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so like back and forth with everything. Yeah, he's like, Okay,

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Speaker 5: you compliment him, and then you're like, all right, But

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Speaker 5: I'm so upset.

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Speaker 3: And he's a horrible person, literally calling him a whole.

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Speaker 5: I love my son so much. I just want him home,

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Speaker 2: To be honest, he didn't even need to live right

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Speaker 2: next to us. He could have three hours away. This way,

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Speaker 2: activities together. All you people say is his life, his choices.

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Speaker 2: I get it, But how is it so easy for

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Speaker 3: He's not feeling seen, He's feeling along Vier's side and no.

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Speaker 2: Reddits attacking her. Yes, I am assuming he did that

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Speaker 2: justice stay away from us, which makes him a horrible son.

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Speaker 2: As clingy as I may be, I come from a place.

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Speaker 3: Of love and control and manipulation and guilt and shame.

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Speaker 2: I've always let him know I love him, and I've

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Speaker 2: He never starts conversations. I'm the one who sends the text.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't ask how am I supposed to not feel abandoned? Seriously,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what else to say. There's a lot

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Speaker 2: of edits, lots of comments asking why don't I move

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Speaker 2: closer to him? Instead? I will not do to my

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Speaker 3: I'm not a monster.

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Speaker 2: Even if I didn't have my parents, I'm unable to

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Speaker 3: Does that mean no more edits?

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Speaker 2: Uh? They're probably more out it, damn it. But we

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Speaker 5: Doubt.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, I don't think it's working.

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Speaker 2: Comment one. You're the a hole, not for feeling sad

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Speaker 2: that your son lives far away, but for constantly trying

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Speaker 2: to guilt him into moving back when he has made

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Speaker 2: clear that it is not going to happen. Adults get

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Speaker 2: move close to you. Comment two. I've lived in a

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Speaker 2: and was reminded why I left. I love my family,

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Speaker 2: but I love them a lot more when they're not

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Speaker 2: in the same country. Update. Whoa, we got an update,

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Speaker 2: not an edit.

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Speaker 6: Hello.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to provide you all with an update since

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Speaker 2: my original post gained a lot of attention and sparked

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Speaker 2: various discussions, some were unfortunately rude and disrespectful. Since my

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Speaker 2: last post, I improved my relationship with my son and

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Speaker 2: his wife. Okay, switch therapist, started treatment for my anxiety

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Speaker 2: and depression, lost my father.

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Speaker 3: I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 2: Things started to turn around when I decided to change

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Speaker 3: I prayed every day they reconcile, but I accepted their adults,

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Speaker 3: Kurt and I were also very disappointed with June and

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Speaker 3: comply with Ruth's ultimatum. Thank you to everyone for commiserating

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Speaker 3: Ruth left Adam because it just wasn't working. He was

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Speaker 3: within her rights not to understand. No one can or

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Speaker 2: This is not the cutting off is like, it's not

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Speaker 3: It's also not the mom's responsibility has nothing to do

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Speaker 3: Once we cut him off, we risk losing June and

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Speaker 3: What is this wild?

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Speaker 2: The thing is I think they're going with Ruth's ultimatum

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Speaker 2: It's like no Opie's whole thing is that she doesn't

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Speaker 3: And she doesn't have to. Yeah, is to be corroborating

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Speaker 3: Not disowning June doesn't mean I chose to be her

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Speaker 3: Ruth has thanked us for our support in the past.

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Speaker 3: She said she was fine with how we'd arrange things

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Some saying she's should have cut us off years ago

441
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 3: for still loving June. Who says that, don't say that.

442
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 3: She said many times her goal isn't to cut us off.

443
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 3: She loves us and wants us to be involved with

444
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,199
Speaker 3: a child, but that she can't stand June or her

445
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,480
Speaker 3: baby getting the same love and care from us because

446
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 3: she thinks she doesn't deserve it. I want to add

447
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 3: that if Adam had ever abused her, Cheetah on Ruth.

448
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 3: We certainly would have gone no contact or at least

449
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 3: low contact with them. That's not what happened, and both

450
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,639
Speaker 3: girls used to repeatedly tell us that what happened between

451
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 3: them had nothing to do with us. I don't regret it,

452
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 3: because as heartbreaking as this is, willingly cutting off either

453
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 3: of them outside of the circumstances I mentioned is unfathomable

454
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Speaker 3: to me or their father. Thank you again everyone for

455
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 3: their good wishes and for suggesting family therapy.

456
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

457
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Speaker 3: I think that's a good option that I will try

458
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,399
Speaker 3: and bring it up with Ruth and my husband. We

459
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 3: suggested it when things initially happened, but dropped it when

460
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 3: she said no update.

461
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,399
Speaker 2: Oh I need that update. I need this family to

462
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 2: find the therapist in South America.

463
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 3: Yes, seriously, like right now. Hello again, thank you for

464
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:58,879
Speaker 3: all the support and advice on my first posts. A

465
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 3: Lot's happened, so I think I sh to provide an update.

466
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 3: I'm sensing a happy ending.

467
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 2: I think Ruth is going to realize that she's being

468
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 2: crazy and she could come around.

469
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 3: A Lot's happened, so I think I should provide an update.

470
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Speaker 3: We follow the device and told Ruth that if she

471
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 3: decided to go no contact. We would comply, but we

472
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 3: could never willingly cut off either of them. We again

473
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 3: begged her to reconsider and reiterated that we were willing

474
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 3: to go to family therapy, that we would do all

475
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,119
Speaker 3: we could to keep her in June apart anything to

476
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 3: make it work. She said she still wasn't happy Dune

477
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 3: and her baby would stay in our lives, but she

478
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 3: would think about it. Kurt and I also looked into

479
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 3: opening and account for Ruth's child, but didn't go through

480
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,719
Speaker 3: with it yet, in hopes that things could turn around.

481
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,159
Speaker 3: Days went by, we didn't hear back from Ruth. It

482
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,679
Speaker 3: was agony. Then we got a call from June. She

483
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,199
Speaker 3: got in wind of what was happening through mutual family.

484
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 3: She drove to Ruth herself. No one put her up

485
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 3: to this. She was prepared for Ruth to kick her

486
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 3: out anyway. Once she was there, she apologized again and

487
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,360
Speaker 3: begged her not to do this. She said she could

488
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 3: accept Ruth wanting nothing to do with her, but not

489
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 3: to punish us because of it, especially since they both

490
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 3: knew that cutting us off would cost her child loving grandparents. Talkingly,

491
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 3: Ruth didn't.

492
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 6: Kick her out.

493
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 3: Whoa come back come back. He let her in and

494
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 3: they both had a long, tearful argument, class fight. They

495
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 3: even hugged a few times.

496
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Speaker 2: Year it's a new year, Yeah.

497
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 3: New toxicity levels going down or something like that. I

498
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:30,719
Speaker 3: don't know.

499
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 2: The radiation after the atom bomb is slowly. What's the thing.

500
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 2: It's like every it's like the half life, half life,

501
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 2: the half life is being halved.

502
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 3: It's been halved, it's going down. I'm foggy on details.

503
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 3: Do I suspect pregnancy hormones played a huge role here.

504
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 3: I didn't consider that. That's that makes sense.

505
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 2: That is a good point. I don't think anyone brought

506
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 2: that up in the chat.

507
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 3: I can't tell you how panicked I was hearing the

508
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 3: story because it could have been so risky for them both.

509
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 3: They haven't exactly made up, and Ruth didn't forgive June,

510
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 3: but she admitted to her that her husband, Owen, has

511
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,479
Speaker 3: actually been trying to convince her to go to couples

512
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 3: counseling and individual therapy as well. So she's not just

513
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 3: contextually crazy, she's globally crazy.

514
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: It's globally crazy.

515
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 3: I take back calling her crazy. Apparently, since Ruth's pregnancy,

516
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 3: some troubling qualities that he was able to deal with

517
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 3: previously were exacerbated. She was being controlling and paranoid, and

518
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,439
Speaker 3: he was pleading with her to get help so they

519
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 3: could be in a good place once the baby was born.

520
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 3: June's visit was the final straw, and Ruth broke down

521
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 3: and agreed. And we want you to agree to joining

522
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 3: us live on YouTube every Facebook blah blah blah every

523
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 3: weekday a three PMPSC just aff her profile. We're probably

524
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 3: live right now, so tap it, good check, let's discuss.

525
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 3: Do you have anything to that? I said, we just

526
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 3: go into it.

527
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 2: I yeah, no. I think that this is another wonderful

528
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 2: turnaround for the books.

529
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 3: Another turnaround, another comeback is looking great good.

530
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 2: It's looking good. That's too happy. Story is who never

531
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 2: say that?

532
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 3: You never get wh wh whoa wha whoa whoa whoa.

533
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 3: You can't see me. I'm knocking on wood. It's not

534
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,439
Speaker 3: completed yet, all right, Ruth called us later. She corroborated

535
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 3: June's story and accepted our therapy. Offero, let's go. She

536
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 3: still has one condition. Oh no, the conditions he wants

537
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 3: owen there if June has to attend any sessions, and

538
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 3: she doesn't want Adam president at all. That's okay, fair,

539
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,679
Speaker 3: that's fair. Fair, we all agreed. The first session is

540
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 3: in a few days. I could barely keep it together.

541
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 3: That I'll see both my babies in the same room

542
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 3: for the time for real.

543
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 2: That's been five years.

544
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really sweet. It's been so stressful, but I

545
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 3: can finally see some light. I haven't lost my daughters.

546
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 3: Kurt and I are going to put everything into keeping

547
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 3: our families together. I'm not going to be naive and

548
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 3: assume everything will be fine, but I'm hopeful. I want

549
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 3: to thank everyone again for all the comfort and help

550
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 3: to those who sent kind dms sharing their similar situations.

551
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 3: I truly appreciate your solidarity. Okay, so we don't have

552
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 3: the ending, but I'm gonna count this as a happy.

553
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 2: I'm counting as happy. The teachers aid over stepped her

554
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 2: boundaries regarding my parenting, so I reported her fire. Get

555
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 2: her fired. Yes, Karen, So this just happened about three

556
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 2: hours ago, and I'm still flummixed about it. Today, being Halloween,

557
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 2: my kids' school sent out a notice that kids can

558
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 2: wear their Halloween costumes to school. I have two children,

559
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 2: my son eight and my daughter six. By the way,

560
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 2: this comes from Violinist number twenty nine to sixty one

561
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 2: and on the Okay Storytime separate it. So my son

562
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 2: is the type to get involved with the school activities

563
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 2: i e. Dress up days, et cetera. My daughter is

564
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 2: more reserved and will sometimes participate if she feels inclined.

565
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 2: I don't force them to do the activities. I'll ask

566
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,479
Speaker 2: if they want to and take it from there. Today

567
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 2: was no different. My son wanted to wear his costume,

568
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 2: no problem. My daughter wanted to initially but decided not

569
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 2: to this morning. I only asked her why and she said,

570
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 2: just want to be me today.

571
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 3: That's sweet.

572
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: Again, no problem. I plod her self awareness. My girl

573
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 2: knows what she likes and doesn't and doesn't like. Well.

574
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 2: I don't let them have free reign on important decisions.

575
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 2: I do let them speak for themselves on things like this.

576
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 2: I auson dropped them off at school before heading to work,

577
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: and I pick them up. As I get to the gate,

578
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 2: the teacher's aide, who is someone I know personally, daughter

579
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 2: of a friend of my mom, came up to me

580
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 2: and started questioning why I didn't let my daughter participate

581
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 2: in dressing up. I told her that it was my

582
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 2: daughter's decision. He then gave me this skeptical look and said, well,

583
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 2: it's clear that you don't know what your daughter wants,

584
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:48,360
Speaker 2: and the favoritism shows whoa implying I favor my oldest. Now,

585
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 2: I'm not one to take a calm approach when it

586
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 2: comes to even the slightest attack to my kids, but

587
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 2: I tried for a calm tone when I responded, excuse.

588
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 5: That.

589
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 2: What makes you think that I favor one kid over

590
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 2: the other and makes you an expert on what my

591
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 2: daughter wants. She responded by saying, well, it's obvious you

592
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 2: allow your sign up participate, but not her. You singled

593
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: her out by not letting her dress up. She was

594
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 2: sad seeing the other kids in costume. By this time,

595
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 2: I was fuming. My kids were playing with friends while

596
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 2: we were talking. I called my daughter over and asked

597
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 2: her why didn't she wear a costume today? And she

598
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 2: said the same thing she told me this morning, then

599
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 2: skipped away to go play.

600
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.

601
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 2: I looked back at the aid and said, hmmm, seems

602
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 2: you're misguided. Assumptions on me and my kids are wrong.

603
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 2: Stop thinking you know my daughter better than I do,

604
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: and mind your business. Mind your dang business. I initially

605
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: wanted to just let it go, but I was still

606
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: upset that I called the school to speak to my

607
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 2: daughter's actual teacher to ask how my daughter was throughout

608
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 2: the day. You told me that nothing was a miss

609
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: and my daughter had an awesome day. I then explained

610
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 2: about the interaction with the AID and my displeasure about it.

611
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 2: My daughter's teacher is a gem. She's exactly what any

612
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: parent wants in a teacher for their kids, and she

613
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 2: was mortified. He told me she would handle it and

614
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 2: we'd go from there. My mom called and asked what

615
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: happened because the AID went crying to her mom about it.

616
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: I told my mom the story and she was pissed.

617
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 2: While her friend is a sweet lady, her daughter is not.

618
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 2: She likes to create issues and twist tails to fit

619
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: her narrative. Mom's friend was apologetic, but feels like I

620
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 2: should apologize for saying what I said because now her

621
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 2: daughter is upset because the school put her on probation

622
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: for her actions. WHOA I told her no, she shouldn't

623
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,719
Speaker 2: have crossed a line and overstepped your boundaries as an

624
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 2: AID don't get me wrong. I do feel that teachers

625
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 2: slash aides need to speak up if there are clear

626
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 2: signs of abuse on a child, But to insinuate something

627
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: like this is not cool. My mom backed me up,

628
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 2: and I told her friend that she knows her daughter

629
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: butts into people's lives and creates issues.

630
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 3: Dang, it's a pattern.

631
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, She's like, oh, that's my daughter. Now. I don't

632
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 2: regret my words, but I'm starting to feel a bit

633
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 2: guilty about calling the teacher and basically blabbing to her

634
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 2: about the aid. Am I the a whole and quick update.

635
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: Hi everyone, Thank you so much for the responses. I

636
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: wanted to just drop in real quick and provide a

637
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 2: mini update. The teacher called me and wanted to say

638
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 2: thank you for informing her about what happened. As someone stated,

639
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: it wasn't the first time someone spoke up about her overstepping.

640
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 3: So not only is it a pattern in her life,

641
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 3: it's a pattern in her professional Yeah.

642
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 2: Apparently she was worn before and this was addressed immediately,

643
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 2: which makes sense because I mean, normally this wouldn't be

644
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: a probation if it was like, you know, the first time. Yeah,

645
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: but that clearly this has happened with other people.

646
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 3: The woman is shoving herself into other people's lives and busy.

647
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's been moved to a different location, not within

648
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 2: a cash classroom, but an office type deal. Now, I

649
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: gotta get back to trick or treating and there is

650
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 2: an up date. Hi everybody. First, I want to say

651
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,719
Speaker 2: thank you to everyone who commented or reached out. I

652
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 2: appreciate all the replies. A lot of you gave me

653
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 2: some things to think about this after this happened, and

654
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 2: I'm very grateful. I wasn't sure I was going to

655
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 2: update on this, but this past weekend leading up to

656
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: yesterday has been a bit of a whirlwind, so I

657
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 2: apologize for the length. To start, how my mom found

658
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Speaker 2: out her friend was actually at her house when the

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Speaker 2: aid called her crying in hysterics that she'd been put

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Speaker 2: on probation. The aid didn't know her mom was at

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Speaker 2: with mine at the time. When her mom told her

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Speaker 2: she would be over at her house in a little

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Speaker 2: while because she was at my mom's, the aid said

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Speaker 2: something along the lines of it's her daughter's fault and

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Speaker 2: hung up.

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Speaker 5: What my mom and her.

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Speaker 2: Friend were undoubtedly confused, which is when the conversation happened

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Speaker 2: the update. My mom's friend Abby has a sister Beth

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Speaker 2: that's quite honestly ahot. She's a bit eccentric in some ways,

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Speaker 2: but is a firecracker when wronged. This woman loves my family,

671
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Speaker 2: especially my kids. She is the bonus aunt they never had.

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Speaker 2: My husband and I only have brothers, and they live

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Speaker 2: long distance from us with their partners. Beth was livid

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Speaker 2: after hearing what happened and went into full KEYI mode. Okay,

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Speaker 2: what is she trying to find?

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Speaker 8: Date?

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Speaker 2: Beth and the aid Kathy never really got along. I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure about the history there. I don't ask questions

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Speaker 2: because it really isn't any of my business. I didn't

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00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 2: know what Beth was up to until around Sunday afternoon,

681
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: when she called me, giving no names. She was able

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Speaker 2: to find out that the other times Kathy crossed personal

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Speaker 2: boundaries with a parent was with people she knew personally. Ooh,

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Speaker 2: so herms to do so with people she has a

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Speaker 2: personal relationship with. So because Opie's mom is friends with

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Speaker 2: her mom, she thought maybe she could get away with it.

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Speaker 2: In Beth's word, she thinks because she knows you, she

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Speaker 2: can say whatever she wants. You guys were right on

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Speaker 2: that one. Well, one parent wasn't having it and reported

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Speaker 2: it to the school, which is when Kathy was first warned.

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Speaker 2: My report was the last straw. On Monday, my daughter's

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Speaker 2: teacher called and asked to be condmean after school. I

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Speaker 2: said yes, and thankfully my husband had the day off

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Speaker 2: so he could go with me. The teacher and vice

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Speaker 2: principal wanted me to recount what happened. After I gave

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Speaker 2: my side, I was informed that Kathy has been placed

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Speaker 2: on administrative leave pending investigation.

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Speaker 3: Whoa last straw, I guess yeah.

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Speaker 2: The reason some other parents came forward about Kathy's behavior. Oh,

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Speaker 2: I don't have details, but since she already had at

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Speaker 2: least two complaints, they were forced into more action. My

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Speaker 2: guess is the other parents found out about her being

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Speaker 2: reported and came forward with their own. Of course, the

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Speaker 2: VP and teacher couldn't give me details, so it's all

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Speaker 2: up to speculation at this point. Yesterday, my mom called

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Speaker 2: and told me Kathy resigned from her job. According to

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Speaker 2: what Abby had said, Kathy told her that the whole

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Speaker 2: town is against her and she can't take it out anymore.

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Speaker 2: Maybe do your job better if we think about that,

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Speaker 2: you know what I think about Yes, you guys can

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Speaker 2: listen to full episodes with stories like this. Just go

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Speaker 2: search Okay storytime. The school administration apologized to me and

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Speaker 2: my husband for what happened and thanked us for being

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Speaker 2: cooperative with everything. Abby even apologized because after finding out

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Speaker 2: more details from Detective Best, she was horrified about Kathy's

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Speaker 2: behavior and entitlement. Kathy felt she had rights to speak

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Speaker 2: up because she knew she knows everyone personally and it

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Speaker 2: was her duty to say something. So there you have

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Speaker 2: it again. Thank you all for commenting and easing my

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Speaker 2: mind on it all. I doubt I'll update again on this,

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Speaker 2: but we'll see. And there is one comment. I used

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Speaker 2: to work in the public school system as a teacher

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Speaker 2: and then as a crisis counselor. I worked with some

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Speaker 2: excellent aids, but I've also seen a couple of pretty

726
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 2: bad ones. I've definitely seen the problem when an aide

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Speaker 2: tries to reach beyond the scope of what they're supposed

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Speaker 2: to be doing. I've even had an AID get inappropriately

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Speaker 2: involved with talk about a child's mental health issues with

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Speaker 2: family members of the child that they should not be

731
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Speaker 2: discussing those things with this aid took her uninformed opinion

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Speaker 2: about your daughter and her experience and took it in

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Speaker 2: an inappropriate direction. She took it so far that you

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Speaker 2: have preference of one over the other based on something small.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying I've never seen preference among kids. I'm

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Speaker 2: saying this was a big leap and was an inappropriate

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Speaker 2: one at that she messed up.

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Speaker 3: Not you.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like you handled it well and went to

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Speaker 2: the correct person to report it. I'm glad your daughter

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Speaker 2: has such a good teacher and that the teacher is

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Speaker 2: willing to do things that might make her uncomfortable but

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Speaker 2: that are to benefit the children in her care. Good

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Speaker 2: job mom, Good job teacher. I'm glad that action was taken.

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Speaker 2: And that's the end of that story.

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Speaker 8: My mother controlled my wedding, so I left her after it.

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Speaker 3: Good good.

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Speaker 8: I was twenty one at the time and they were

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Speaker 8: twenty five. We'll call them Jesse. Both of us were

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Speaker 8: super shy, so mutually friends of ours helped us start

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Speaker 8: talking and getting to know each other. By the way,

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Speaker 8: this comes from a Taco's Life one oh one in

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Speaker 8: the r slash Okay storytime cebread it. When my mom

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Speaker 8: found out, she forced me to move back home so

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Speaker 8: I wouldn't be tempted to sin. Kept chatting at work,

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Speaker 8: and finally planned to see a movie. My mom found

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Speaker 8: out and took my phone. She texted Jesse from my

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Speaker 8: phone and arranged me to meet at a restaurant for lunch.

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Speaker 8: She took my stepdad and left me a home while

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Speaker 8: they ambushed Jesse over tacos. Where's Taco Tuesday of Jesse's life.

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Speaker 8: Before they left, they would only allow us to see

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Speaker 8: each other if Jesse planned on marrying me. WHOA, so

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Speaker 8: you got you gotta lock in right now or never?

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Speaker 1: That's crazy locking unlocked.

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Speaker 8: Jesse said that was what they were trying to figure

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Speaker 8: out while seeing me and left it at that. Fast

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Speaker 8: forward all the details and trust me, that in itself

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Speaker 8: is another story. We got engaged and decided to have

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Speaker 8: a year long engagement before getting married. I didn't mind

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Speaker 8: getting married married sooner, but Jesse didn't want people to

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Speaker 8: think we were having a pew pew wedding. Here is

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Speaker 8: where things started to get but ugly. We didn't have

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Speaker 8: a lot of money, so we were trying to keep

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Speaker 8: it low key slash cheap. We booked a local church

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Speaker 8: that Jesse went to as a kid and decided to

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Speaker 8: do a potluck and make the invitations ourselves, which, dude,

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Speaker 8: if I had my wedding in North Carolina, that is

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Speaker 8: what I am doing. That is exactly what I'm doing.

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Speaker 8: A potlot do my grandma bringing her freaking gumbo and

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00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 8: my mom bringing like her best pumpkin pound cake. Dude,

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Speaker 8: John is gonna be there. If I didn't have so

785
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 8: many dang brothers, you'd be one of them. I'm the oldest,

786
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Speaker 8: so I'm the first kid to get married. So my

787
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Speaker 8: mom threw herself into trying to take over my wedding planning.

788
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 8: My mom and I argued over the guest list so

789
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Speaker 8: much that I stopped wedding planning for several months because

790
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 8: I couldn't handle the anxiety of her yelling and trying

791
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 8: to manipulate me for not wanting to invite certain people.

792
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Speaker 8: Time was running out to send the invitations, but before

793
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Speaker 8: we could send them out, we ran into a problem.

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Speaker 8: The church we booked for our wedding triple booked.

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Speaker 5: How do you triple books?

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Speaker 6: What?

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Speaker 5: Double booking is one thing, but triple booking.

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Speaker 8: Astor had a hard time saying no, okay, there we go.

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Speaker 8: So even though it was marked, he still decided to

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Speaker 8: take on the other two weddings. One was for a

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Speaker 8: vow renewal service of a couple we invited to our

802
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,479
Speaker 8: own wedding. We didn't have another option because everything else

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Speaker 8: was already booked, so my mom said we could use

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Speaker 8: her yard and could rent a tint instead. She said

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Speaker 8: she would cover it, so we agreed because we didn't

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Speaker 8: have anything else. But that was a huge mistake. Oh,

807
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Speaker 8: I can't even like fathom what this mom's about to do.

808
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 8: A tint in the backyard is not a bad idea.

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00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 8: The family wedding is gonna be one to be low key.

810
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,959
Speaker 8: No one's really want to dance. They're just gonna say, hey,

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Speaker 8: hang out and all that friend wedding. Though she had

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00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 8: the power to control us to get her away, she

813
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 8: started saying we were going to need to rent tables

814
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Speaker 8: and chairs too, but she was going to cover that.

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Speaker 8: I was surprised by was when we got there. She

816
00:39:55,320 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 8: was also renting out tablecloths, napkins, plates, glasses, glassware, and

817
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Speaker 8: a few other unnecessary things. Dude, she is running up

818
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Speaker 8: a bill for you right now. My plan was just

819
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Speaker 8: buying things cheap because again, funds were limited, but my

820
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Speaker 8: mom had a hold on me. I was at first

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Speaker 8: allowed to have bridesmaids, and the plan I did have

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Speaker 8: for them was to let them pick out their own

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Speaker 8: dresses in shades of the color that they like that

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Speaker 8: fit my theme. I wanted them to have a dress

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Speaker 8: they liked so they would wear it more than once.

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Speaker 8: My mom said no because it would look awful and

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Speaker 8: kept forcing me to find a single dress for all

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Speaker 8: body types and in brown. I kept pushing back until

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Speaker 8: my mom said, either you cancel your bridesmaids or you

830
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Speaker 8: can't have your wedding here. But dude, that is why

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Speaker 8: why is she doing this? What is she getting out

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Speaker 8: of this? Like, she just likes power, and that's what.

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Speaker 5: She's going She likes control, control, power.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, power makes sense.

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Speaker 8: Golee.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 8: Was allowed to have a maid of honor, but I

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Speaker 8: had to cancel the rest. By the way, my mom

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Speaker 8: hated who I picked for my maid of honor and

840
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Speaker 8: kept telling me to change it because she wasn't making

841
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Speaker 8: me her priority. She was in college at the time.

842
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 8: One day, my mom dragged me to wedding dress shop

843
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Speaker 8: to choose address. I tried the one I picked out,

844
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Speaker 8: and my mom went on about how big I looked,

845
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Speaker 8: how ugly I was, and why how it made my

846
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Speaker 8: teeth look yellow, and how why it made my acne

847
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 8: look even more ugly and sadly like, ope, he doesn't

848
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Speaker 8: have the finances to say no. Isn't there someone else

849
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Speaker 8: with a big yard that you could get a tent for.

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Speaker 8: I'm just like, assuming you live in like the South

851
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Speaker 8: where there's land or we start slanging.

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Speaker 6: Ooh, we start slanging something, get some bread boom.

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Speaker 8: Wedding I tried on, I tried it on her. I

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00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 8: tried on her pick and she couldn't stop praising herself

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Speaker 8: for picking out there the right dress that hit all

856
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Speaker 8: of my flaws. How the off white made my teeth

857
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Speaker 8: look yet less noticeable, how the dress made me look

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Speaker 8: thinner than I was. She decided that was my dress,

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Speaker 8: and then decided she was going to order herself a

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Speaker 8: custom made red Mother of the Bride dress Red again

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Speaker 8: two for two.

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Speaker 6: Two for two back to back story. We did just

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Speaker 6: have it.

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Speaker 8: Bro Drake was right back to back. By the way,

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Speaker 8: the altercations were so horrible. Not only did my mom

866
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Speaker 8: keep telling me how big I was, but the lady

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Speaker 8: working on my dress did two The lady working on

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Speaker 8: the dress do they not get tips of this? I

869
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 8: had so much dress and anxiety that I passed out

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Speaker 8: at work one day and was in the er. Oh,

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Speaker 8: I couldn't work now, so I couldn't escape my mom

872
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 8: and her wedding. I just kind of gave up at

873
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Speaker 8: that point. She planned a caterer playing in my cake

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Speaker 8: and even invited all her neighbors. Jesse kept wanting to

875
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 8: say something, but I held them back because at the

876
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 8: end of the day, I was getting married and escaping

877
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 8: this toxic place.

878
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: I think, I'm not sure, but I think no, But

879
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, you're paying so much for the dress, Yeah,

880
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: might as well be it.

881
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 6: Typically you know, you know what I mean.

882
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 8: Like the day before the wedding, I was helping set up,

883
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 8: but my mom was nowhere to be found. I had

884
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 8: a last minute appointment to get my nails done and

885
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 8: it was getting down to the wire. Most nails places

886
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 8: close around five here and it was after four and

887
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 8: my mom still hadn't shown up. My maid of honor

888
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 8: and a friend convinced me to leave now or I

889
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 8: wasn't going to be able to get them done. My

890
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 8: mom showed up as me and my maid of honor

891
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 8: were going out the door. My mom was furious I

892
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 8: was leaving to get my nails done and how selfish

893
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 8: I was behaving by letting everyone else set up while

894
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 8: I go get pampered, even though she had gotten back

895
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 8: after leaving at eight a m. That day with a

896
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 8: friend for a day at a spa and getting her

897
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 8: nails done while everyone else. She had some old ladies

898
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 8: from her church helping her set up. After she cried,

899
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 8: saying I was being unreasonable and leaving it to her

900
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 8: to do and decide set up after everyone else set up,

901
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 8: my maid of honor told my mom, I can't talk

902
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,959
Speaker 8: to you when you are like this. When you act

903
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 8: like an adult, we can talk. Then she took my hand,

904
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 8: dragging me away with my mom's jaw on the floor, sputtering, yeah,

905
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 8: I understand you're getting married to get away from this

906
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 8: and you'll be like I'll be away from this toxic place.

907
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 8: But not without a humiliating act being done first, her

908
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 8: mom's humiliating her.

909
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 2: You look so bad, ohbi, you can't wear that. You

910
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 2: have to do this or.

911
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 6: That like girh.

912
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 8: I was getting ready with my maid of honor and friend,

913
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 8: trying to figure out how to do my makeup. I

914
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 8: was struggling because I don't know how to put it on,

915
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 8: and due to my mom, I didn't know you could

916
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 8: learn how to put makeup on with the help of

917
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 8: the internet. When I was done, I realized that I

918
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 8: hadn't seen my photographer around. Oh no, I see you.

919
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 6: Like at all.

920
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,760
Speaker 8: Come to find out, she was with my mom taking

921
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 8: the pictures of her getting ready. I didn't want my

922
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 8: stepdad to walk me down the aisle, but again I

923
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 8: had no choice. As we were walking down, he stops,

924
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 8: which surprised me. Then he proceeded to pray while we

925
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 8: stand there with everyone looking at us. I had no

926
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 8: idea praying. I was too shocked to do anything. I

927
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 8: had to marry Jesse without too much after that. But

928
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 8: after the reception, my mom was told by an old

929
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 8: lady that I need a cup of tea because she

930
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 8: was too upset to eat. My mom pushed a cup

931
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 8: of watery tea and said, you know, so everyone here

932
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 8: is thinking of you leaving here and going to have

933
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 8: spicy sleep. They all know you aren't going to be

934
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 8: a pure spicy sleep person anymore. Isn't it funny how

935
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 8: you got shark week day today? It's like God, it's

936
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 8: punishing you. You know why she said that is because

937
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 8: this because a moment of Opie's time was about her

938
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 8: and not her mother.

939
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: One one millisecond wasn't all about her.

940
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 6: Couldn't give it to op So we have to what

941
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 6: do we have to do?

942
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: We have to if a millisecond, a shred of a

943
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: second isn't about me, we have to destroy Opie to feel.

944
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 6: Good about ourselves. Right, That's how that works.

945
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 8: Spy all that I was married, but it wasn't my wedding.

946
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 8: My mom loved having all the attention on her, and

947
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 8: if it wasn't, she would make it so it was.

948
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 8: But if you want more attention for your faces and

949
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 8: ear holds, please go to your favorite podcast platforms and

950
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 8: what are those?

951
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 1: John Spotify, Apple Podcasts or insert favorite pod app.

952
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 8: Here, And when you go there, search what John okay

953
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 8: storytime and what will they receive?

954
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 6: Okay, story time.

955
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 8: A plethora of dude, you were right, she.

956
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: We just need to get her out of like. This

957
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: is a low contact scenario of like, listen, low contact

958
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: unless well to be to clarify, to clarify, unless you

959
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: are being wheeled into the er.

960
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 6: I don't want to hear about it.

961
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 8: My poor partner got the monster mother in law, while

962
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 8: I got well, I gained incredible in laws. They all

963
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 8: told me that when my mom walked down the aisle,

964
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 8: they couldn't believe the dress she was wearing. It was

965
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 8: a casual outside wedding, but she was dressed like it

966
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:59,240
Speaker 8: was five star resort wedding. They knew from that dress

967
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 8: what kind of than she is and refused to have

968
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 8: any kind of communication with her. I hope one day

969
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 8: I can have a vow renewal, but how I want it,

970
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 8: or at least try on a wedding dress that I

971
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 8: picked and have people who love me tell me how

972
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 8: they honestly feel. Sorry if it was too long ago,

973
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 8: you were okay, your mother.

974
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 6: Is good crazy Wow?

975
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: I mean, oh, you see a lot of crazy moms,

976
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: A lot of crazy Karen moms. My manipulative mother has

977
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: financial demands, so I decided petty was it.

978
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 4: You took all of her petty cash Ooh, I like that.

979
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 6: I like that.

980
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: I thirty five female, have had a difficult relationship with

981
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: my mom fifty nine female for several years, especially since

982
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: I started therapy alone and began healing from some family trauma.

983
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: By the way, it comes from okay quit thirty four

984
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: to twenty two and you consenting your story to our shash.

985
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: So we've tried therapy together, and while it worked for

986
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: a while, the positive effects.

987
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:56,879
Speaker 6: Didn't last long.

988
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: Once we stopped, she reverted back to behaviors that can

989
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: treat to the rift in the first place. She seems

990
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: to want me to be the people pleaser. I once

991
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: was the person who didn't share my feelings and sacrifice

992
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: my time and happiness for everyone else. Thanks to therapy,

993
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: I'm not that person anymore. All I have asked of

994
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: her is for her to respect my boundaries, take no

995
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: for an answer the first time. She's very pushy and

996
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: acknowledge or validate my feelings. She often ignores me when

997
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 1: I open up to her, pretending like she didn't receive

998
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: my messages, except I know I did. When your mom

999
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: leaves you on red she continues to act as though

1000
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: everything is fine when it isn't. She also constantly acts

1001
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: like she's the only victim in a situation and refuses

1002
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: to take any accountability for her actions. We've had many

1003
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: conversations about this over the years, but nothing ever changes.

1004
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: She has put me through a lot of emotional slash

1005
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: psychological abuse, turning our other family members against me and

1006
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: acting like the victim. I am still hoping the good

1007
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: in her would show itself again, but I've begun to

1008
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: realize that it won't unless she feels like I'm basically

1009
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: complying with her demands. She has repeated the same patterns

1010
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: in the last few days, ignoring my feelings and repeatedly

1011
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: claiming she's open minded and willing to continue and willing

1012
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: to welcome me with open arms, bragging about herself for

1013
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: doing things a parent should providing food, shelter, attending school functions,

1014
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera.

1015
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 6: You know the usual.

1016
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 9: She's like, I was such an overachiever. I fed my kid,

1017
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 9: I gave you food. Remember slop, I think she'll love slop.

1018
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 9: Remember when I had that trench that you would just

1019
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 9: she was so ridiculous that I stopped responding. Here is

1020
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 9: the kicker. She messaged me today wanting me off of

1021
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 9: her checking account and demanding that I meet her this week.

1022
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 9: I'm on the checking account. It was her idea a

1023
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 9: few years ago when we were.

1024
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: On good terms, just in case in of an emergency,

1025
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: and now she wants me off so she can open

1026
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: a line of credit under her name. Did I mention

1027
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: that she already has several credit cards and other debts

1028
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: she can't afford. She already asked me for money once

1029
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: this year, after treating me like complete crap. I told her, no,

1030
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: not my circus, not my monkey. So maybe it is

1031
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: her checking account. I guess we'll see. She wants me off,

1032
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: fine by me. She claimed that she wanted to also

1033
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: close it so that quote unquote I could be rid

1034
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: of her. She always has to be the victim, telling

1035
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: me how I'm trying to get rid of her. When

1036
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: she blocked me on Facebook, Wow, that sucks. We only

1037
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: communicate via traditional text now. The last phone call with

1038
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: her was an exhausting three and a half hours of

1039
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: my life and I will never get back. The bank

1040
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: said that her other option would be for her to

1041
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: close the account and get a new one with just her.

1042
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: I told her repeatedly that I'm working and that I

1043
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: get back to her about scheduling. Her demands continued. I

1044
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: told her one final time and she agreed. However, part

1045
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: of me doesn't want to meet her. Part of me

1046
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: wants to be a little petty and give her a

1047
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: taste of her own medicine if she messages me any

1048
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: more demands, so would I be the a hole. I'm

1049
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: willing to share screen shots if necessary, to accept any judgment.

1050
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: So I think what OPI's saying here is basically my

1051
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: understanding of this right now is Mom has this like

1052
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: emergency checking account that OP had access to.

1053
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 6: It's like, oh, if you run into money or whatever,

1054
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 6: you can have.

1055
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: Access to this, which, in fairness, not everyone gets an

1056
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: emergency account from mama.

1057
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 9: That is true, You're not doing yourself any fas you're

1058
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 9: wasting your own energy.

1059
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 3: Your Mom's not gonna change update.

1060
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: I have now talked with two representatives from the bank

1061
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: that the joint account is through. They told me that

1062
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: the only account where they can remove a joint owner

1063
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: via phone slash online is a minor's account, and that

1064
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: all other account types that are joint have to be closed,

1065
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: and if she wants an account and just her name,

1066
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: she'll have to close that joint account and open a

1067
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,280
Speaker 1: new one, or one of us can go in person

1068
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: to remove me from the account and they confirm that

1069
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: we both don't don't have to be there. I can

1070
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 1: go up there by myself and take myself off the account,

1071
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: which I can probably do tomorrow. On my life. She's

1072
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: still arguing with me and freaking out. I'm as cool

1073
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: as a cucumber because she hates to be inconvenienced, and

1074
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: I'm giggling. Kih picture Phoebe's evil as from the show Friends.

1075
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 6: Haha, I don't know I fight.

1076
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 4: I don't know it either, that right, so oh boy?

1077
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1078
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: Update number two, she threw an absolute tantrum that I'll

1079
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: supposedly be able to remove myself from her account without

1080
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 1: seeing her. Apparently her goal was to try and use

1081
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: the bank account thing as an excuse to see me.

1082
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 1: I haven't seen her in ten months before. I refuse

1083
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: to give in too rantics anymore. You would think she

1084
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: was putting on a one woman play with how dramatic

1085
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 1: she was. She demanded to know which location I was

1086
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: going to and at what time When I told her

1087
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 1: I would just take care of it alone, she yet

1088
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 1: again played the victim card and accused me of trying

1089
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: to avoid seeing her. And then she told me that

1090
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: she spoke to four different bankrupts for my benefit.

1091
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 2: Excuse ball.

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00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 1: I reiterated that she did that for herself, since it's

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00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: her account.

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00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 4: You ourshol are trying to avoid your mom though this

1095
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 4: is true.

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00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 9: So like her being like, you're trying to avoid me,

1097
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 9: and you being like, shut up, it's like.

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00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: Well, she's right, yeah, maybe if anything, maybe you're like, hey,

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00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,439
Speaker 1: I understand that you want to meet, but I don't

1100
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: want to meet because of why. I reiterated that she

1101
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 1: did that to herself, since it's her account, she continued.

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00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: I told her I was done with this conversation for

1103
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: the night and stopped responding to her. She continued to

1104
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,959
Speaker 1: respond like a petty teenager, and I ignored it. I'm

1105
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: used to her acting like a mean girl by now.

1106
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: When she gets angry, she acts very childishly like a teenager, petty, vindictive, immature,

1107
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: and over dramatic. I'm going to remove myself from her

1108
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,959
Speaker 1: bank account tomorrow if I'm able to wish me luck.

1109
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: I do believe that the mom is probably a hot

1110
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 1: mess to deal with and like not good mom, but

1111
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: I think that OP is kind of quick to reta

1112
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 1: hallie eate with the same. I have to have her

1113
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: with me physically in person to get my name off

1114
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: the account.

1115
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 6: There you go.

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00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,399
Speaker 1: I'm so frustrated that I'm crying because I just wanted

1117
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 1: to get this over with. She has been horrible to

1118
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: me over the last few days, and I'm mentally exhausted

1119
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: and frustrated, and we were told multiple things from multiple

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00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 1: different bankrupts. I guess I'll have to arrange to meet

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00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: her at one of the bank locations. I'll update later

1122
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 1: and we don't have to wait long because this is

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00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 1: update number four.

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00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 6: I am now offer account like she wanted. Okay, Sochu's done.

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00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,240
Speaker 3: Everything's good now right.

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00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 1: She messaged me last minute today and told me that

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00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,240
Speaker 1: she was going to be there about fifteen minutes after

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00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: the agreed upon time.

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00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 6: Mind you, she had.

1130
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,919
Speaker 1: Asked yesterday whish location, and I had sent her both

1131
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 1: the address and the Google map. I told her that

1132
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: I would be there at our agreed upon time because

1133
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: I had a meeting later in the afternoon. She's almost

1134
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: always light, so I wish I could say that her

1135
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,280
Speaker 1: lateness surprised me, but she isn't respectful of people's times,

1136
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: and if she didn't plan ahead, that's on her here

1137
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: irrespons Her irresponsibility does not equate to my responsibility. She

1138
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: kept awkwardly looking at me and around the bank the

1139
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: entire time I started. I stared fixedly at the counter

1140
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 1: because I didn't even want to look at her. I'm

1141
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: still so upset with her for her lack of accountability, respect,

1142
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: and many other things. When it was finished and we

1143
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: went to leave, she asked if she could give me

1144
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,760
Speaker 1: a hug, and we exchanged a very awkward, barely their hug,

1145
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 1: and she told me to have a merry Christmas.

1146
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 9: Now seeing a lot of holly, Nor am I seeing

1147
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 9: a lot of jolly. I'm seeing a lot of like, eh,

1148
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 9: That's what I'm seeing.

1149
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: A lot of She doesn't get my big bear hugs

1150
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: with how she's behaved towards me. Those are reserved for

1151
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 1: people that don't treat me like crap, and for people

1152
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: that actually own up for their mistakes. And the fact

1153
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: that she tried to act like I wanted to be

1154
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: rid of her is ironic and ridiculous. Considering she blocked

1155
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: me on Facebook at least twice this year. Wow, that

1156
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: dang mom. I don't really know how to feel. I

1157
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: feel sad and numb at the same time. And Chrismas

1158
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 1: is next week. I definitely won't be seeing her, and

1159
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: I don't feel like we can have a relationship at

1160
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 1: this point until she shows genuine remorse slash genuine change

1161
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 1: for her toxic behaviors. My partner and I will be

1162
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 1: starting our own family soon, and we might get married

1163
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:14,879
Speaker 1: sooner rather than later.

1164
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 6: Later.

1165
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: I'm still not sure if I'll want my mom there

1166
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: or not. I'm grieving a living person. Not ideal, but

1167
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: it's the only way for now to stop the drama

1168
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: and abuse, the mental stress and the situation. By the way,

1169
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: if you want to stop your mental stress at any

1170
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: time of any day for ten thousand hours straight, boy,

1171
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Speaker 2: I think my mom's manipulating me, guys.

1176
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 6: No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I disagree, guys,

1177
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 6: I'm just kidding. My brain is.

1178
00:57:56,520 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 9: My brain is like the the goop at the bottom

1179
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 9: of a bottle of kombucha.

1180
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 5: So the booch.

1181
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 6: I didn't want it to come to this.

1182
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: No child that's the strange from their parents ever wants

1183
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: it to come to the point of cutting contact or

1184
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: reducing contact. We don't do it because we want to.

1185
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: We do it because we feel like we have to

1186
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: in order to protect ourselves. I didn't want it to

1187
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,919
Speaker 1: come to this, but it's almost not okay to keep

1188
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: putting with.

1189
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 6: But it's also not okay to.

1190
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: Keep putting up with the hurtful comments or snide remarks,

1191
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: or her crossing major boundaries, or not being respectful of

1192
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: my time and not taking no for an answer the

1193
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: first time, et cetera. I'm tired, just tired. Hopefully this

1194
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: will be my last step day and low and behold

1195
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: it is.

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Speaker 3: With the a'm tar boss.

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Speaker 6: It is tired of this.

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Speaker 3: That seems a little backwards.

1203
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: Right about a year ago, my twenty five male best

1204
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:14,959
Speaker 1: friend twenty six female I believe, let's call her Kara

1205
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: got married to her fiance twenty six male let's call

1206
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: him John, whoa don't at me bro. For a bit

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Speaker 1: of background, Kara was an only child and grew up

1208
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: facing a lot of judgment from her mother. By the way,

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Speaker 1: Her mother, Karen, was very vain and described herself as

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Speaker 1: the best of the best. Karen would constantly compare herself

1213
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 1: to Kara and would judge on her appearance, grades, achievements,

1214
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. Kara, being the absolute queen that

1215
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 1: she was, does not let her mother's constant judgment put

1216
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: her down in any way.

1217
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 3: What a queen.

1218
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: She knew her goals and worked very hard in order

1219
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: to achieve them. Whenever Kara had a setback, her dad

1220
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: would always be there to comfort and support her, while

1221
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: her mother scoffed and rolled her eyes. This behavior led

1222
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: to Kara slowly distancing herself from her mother over the years,

1223
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: so that she wouldn't have to be bombarded with her

1224
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: mother's judgment. When we graduated and went to college, they

1225
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: rarely spoke unless it was during the holidays. Fast forward

1226
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: a couple of years and the pandemic hit. With social

1227
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: distancing regulations, my friends couldn't have been happier. Eventually, after

1228
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 1: restrictions loosened, Kara and a few others went to a

1229
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,439
Speaker 1: nice restaurant to chat and catch up. As dinner ended,

1230
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: the waiter informed us that the bill had been covered

1231
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: by someone else.

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01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 6: Oh who could it.

1233
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 4: Be a little mystery?

1234
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: We were all shocked and confused as who paid our bill.

1235
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: Turns out it was my friend's coworker, John, who was

1236
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: there with his friends that night, and he had noticed her.

1237
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 3: Dude that.

1238
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: I actually have an okay storytime and Riley's literally gonna

1239
01:00:56,440 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: spank me. Oh yeah, the story you're gonna be like what.

1240
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: Turns out it was my friend's coworker, John, who was

1241
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 1: there that night with his friends, and he had noticed her.

1242
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: She had collaborated with him on a project for the

1243
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: company that worked at and got to know him quite

1244
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 1: a bit. We all thanked John for his kind gesture,

1245
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: you're freaking welcome and Kara actually exchanged numbers with him.

1246
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: Soon they began talking more and more frequently. They began

1247
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 1: dating almost a month after that dinner and really connected

1248
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: with each other. They had shared many common interests, rom comms, animals,

1249
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: and grew closer and closer each day. When Kara introduced

1250
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: John to her family, everyone loved him, including her mother,

1251
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: which seemed quite odd considering she judged anyone or anything

1252
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 1: that came her way. Karen seemed to be really interested

1253
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 1: in John I see you and would interact with him

1254
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: whenever she got the chance.

1255
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 6: Again, really fishy.

1256
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: Fortunately, Kara told John about Karen's constant judgment, so when

1257
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: Karen started running her mouth about how perfect she was,

1258
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: Kara and John would have eventually get engaged. And when

1259
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 1: she broke the news to her mother again, surprisingly she

1260
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 1: was thrilled. My friend invited me to be the man

1261
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: of honor, to which I gladly accepted. Throughout the wedding planning,

1262
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: Karen was very critical of Kara's Kara for the wedding,

1263
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 1: as if it was her own wedding. To Karen, it

1264
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: was either the color scheme was too tacky or the

1265
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: seating chart was all messed up. Even the roles in

1266
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: the wedding were all wrong.

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01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 4: And how has nobody been like, Oh my god, Karen,

1268
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 4: is this your wedding?

1269
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 3: Is this your wedding?

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01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 2: Karen?

1271
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 6: No, can I speak to the manager of this wedding?

1272
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 4: Oh is whose wedding is it? Though?

1273
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 6: Karen? Oh, it's it's it's my daughter's.

1274
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 4: Oh so it's not yours?

1275
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 6: Is my daughter?

1276
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 2: The manager?

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01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: Obie says nothing ever seemed up to evil mother in

1278
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: law Karen standards. Even when Kara was trying on wedding dresses,

1279
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: her mom had something to say about each one.

1280
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 6: Karen at this.

1281
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: Point was barely tolerating Karen and was just so fed up.

1282
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: Karen commented on one dress, saying that the dress would

1283
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: look better on her than on Kara because it was meant.

1284
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 6: For a much more appealing woman. Oh oh, I.

1285
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 2: Wouldn't even know what to say.

1286
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 3: I'd be speechless.

1287
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 6: Oh well, we're not doing this.

1288
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 1: I was fed up with her to that at that

1289
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 1: point that I asked her if anything appealing would ever

1290
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: come out of her mouth, because me and everyone else

1291
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: were done listening to her bowl crap.

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01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, thank you fine.

1293
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 10: I was about to be like, where is the person

1294
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 10: who goes what get out of here?

1295
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 3: Thinking that you can say that talk.

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01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 1: Finally, after she received many bad stairs and side eyes

1297
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 1: from the wedding party, even the people at the dress

1298
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:41,919
Speaker 1: shop were side eyeing Karen, my friend found a dress

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01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: that looked absolutely amazing on her. Right then and there,

1300
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 1: she knew that that was the one Kara protested complaining

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01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 1: about the dress, to which Kara.

1302
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 6: Just told her to shut up. Beautiful.

1303
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: Fast forward to the wedding and everything is in place

1304
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: and people begin to file in for the ceremony. We're

1305
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 1: literally there at the day of ladies and gentlemen. Note

1306
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: that the color scheme for the wedding was ocean blue

1307
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 1: and turquoise. Karen shows up in a.

1308
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 10: Tight race car red dress, of course, not how are

1309
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 10: you gonna wear a red dress to someone's wet Hello,

1310
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 10: do you know what a red dress does?

1311
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 1: About fifteen minutes before the ceremony, people are wondering where

1312
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 1: the groom is when all of the sudden, someone very

1313
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 1: loudly yells for Para's in laws. Kara's dad rush over

1314
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: to where the noise is coming from. It was from

1315
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 1: behind a lock door. We unlocked it to see Karen

1316
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: topless trying to kiss. Oh no, did you tell her

1317
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 1: you have this scenario?

1318
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,479
Speaker 6: This is my brother, John.

1319
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: I got a wife frye John, I got a wife fry.

1320
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 1: He called for help because Karen was chasing him around

1321
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 1: trying to seduce him. I was shocked and gagged. The

1322
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 1: in laws were disgusted, and Kara's father was furious. Karen

1323
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 1: rushed again reclosed while Kara's father was screaming at her,

1324
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: asking what in the heck happened. I helped John back

1325
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 1: into the ceremony, and the in laws called for your

1326
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: security to.

1327
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 6: Have Karen removed.

1328
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 1: Well, long story short, she was removed while Kara's father

1329
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: was yelling at Karen, calling her a cheater and saying

1330
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: that they were getting divorced. The ceremony had finally begun.

1331
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: The groom had a smile on his face and Kara's

1332
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 1: father had calmed down. The ceremony went well, and the

1333
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 1: reception was a blast. We partied, we ate, and we

1334
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 1: had the time of our lives. After the wedding, John

1335
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 1: and Kara's father explained to Kara what had happened before

1336
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: the ceremony. By the time they were telling her this,

1337
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 1: Karen had already moved in with a relative of hers

1338
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 1: whoa the venue had sent the father the security camera

1339
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 1: footage of poor John being chased around by the topless bansheet.

1340
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 1: Kara was livid, called her mom and screamed at her

1341
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 1: for the constant judgment over the course of her life,

1342
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: calling her shameless and cruel. After that, Kara's father filed

1343
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: for divorce. He kept the house while Karen kept a

1344
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 1: few personal items.

1345
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 6: That's what we love to see.

1346
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 1: Even with Karen's protests, there wasn't really much that she

1347
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 1: could get due to the security cam footage. Ever since then,

1348
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 1: Kara cut off her mother and her and John have

1349
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 1: lived happily in wedded bliss. They've invited me and a

1350
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 1: few other people to celebrate the happiness and the downfall

1351
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 1: of a witch.

1352
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 9: I mean, I'm feeling good. I mean, I feel like

1353
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 9: getting the closure afterwards is like, you know, which at

1354
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 9: this point, you know, this person's like so it's so

1355
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 9: cartoonishly like evil what she was trying to do to

1356
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 9: her own daughter. It's like, clearly, you don't you know,

1357
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 9: you're justified in cutting this person out of your life,

1358
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 9: and you know, I'm sorry you had to reckon with

1359
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 9: that edits.

1360
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 1: I just wanted to add that when John and Kara's

1361
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 1: dad told her that Karen did it, it was also

1362
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 1: after their honeymoon. A week after the web I have

1363
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 1: an update on my friend Kara, whose mother Karen tried

1364
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 1: to seduce her husband John at their wedding. I've gotten

1365
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 1: permission from Karen and John to Sarah this, so sit

1366
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 1: back and grab your snacks to recap. My friend Kara

1367
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 1: got married a bit over a year ago to her

1368
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 1: husband John. Kara has been no contact with her mother,

1369
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 1: Karen due to the stunt she pulled at their wedding

1370
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 1: until a week ago, Kara got a message on Facebook

1371
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: from her mother. Her mother created a new account and

1372
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 1: said that she wanted to talk, and at first Kara

1373
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 1: ignored the message, but curiosity got the better of her.

1374
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 6: She asked John what she should do.

1375
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 1: He said that she could do whatever she liked as

1376
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: long as he did not have to go near Karen Kara.

1377
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 1: Kara also asked her father what she should do since

1378
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 1: he has also been no contact with Karen as well,

1379
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: remember they divorced. He said that if she were to

1380
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: meet up with Karen, she should be cautious and be

1381
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 1: prepared for anything. After that, Kara responded to her mother,

1382
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 1: agreeing to meet at a cafe nearby. Since Kara didn't

1383
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 1: want to go alone, she asked me to ac come here.

1384
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 1: When we arrived at the cafe, Karen was delighted to

1385
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 1: see her. When she saw me with Kara, she got

1386
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 1: all tearry, saying how lonely she had been and how

1387
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 1: she missed Kara. I smelled something fishy, but I kept

1388
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 1: my mouth shut for the time being. As we sat down,

1389
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 1: Karen began asking Kara how she had been and other

1390
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 1: casual questions. Then came the part I was expecting. Karen

1391
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 1: had asked if she could have dinner with her and John.

1392
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:29,799
Speaker 3: That's what are you freaking doing? Karen?

1393
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 6: Was wrong with you?

1394
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 3: She trying to get a party of three.

1395
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 1: She said she wanted to clear the misunderstanding that happened

1396
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 1: at the wedding and that she wanted to reconnect with John.

1397
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 1: What kind of connection are we talking about? I almost

1398
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: spat out my drink. Kara said that under no circumstances

1399
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: would she be seeing or talking to John, since he

1400
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 1: especially didn't want anything to do with Karen. Karen complained

1401
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: that it was unfair and that and that what she

1402
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,680
Speaker 1: did was a moment of weakness and that Karen, she

1403
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 1: just get over it at this point, just get over it.

1404
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 1: Fuming and I asked Karen if she was crazy. Karen

1405
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 1: said that I should just mind my own business and

1406
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 1: to keep quiet. I snapped, saying that she should be

1407
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 1: grateful that Kara at least met her, considering the fact

1408
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 1: that she has been downright cruel to Kara. Karen sobbed again,

1409
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 1: asking Kara if she was going to let this be

1410
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 1: like me speak to her.

1411
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 6: Like that way.

1412
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 1: Kara said, she agreed with me. That's right, freakin' mama,

1413
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 1: you take them freaking freakin' apples. Mom?

1414
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 9: Did did you forget that we caught you topless with

1415
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 9: my husband at my wedding?

1416
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 3: Did you forget?

1417
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 2: Are you stupid?

1418
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 1: Are you a freaking stupid because you sure acting like it.

1419
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 1: Kara said she agreed with me and that the meeting

1420
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 1: was over and a stay out of her life. As

1421
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 1: we left, Karen started screaming at me and Kara, calling

1422
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,720
Speaker 1: us every name of the book, saying that she'll see

1423
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: John one way or another. When we got to Kara's car,

1424
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 1: she broke down, saying that she really thought her mother changed.

1425
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 1: So I said that Karen didn't deserve to have a

1426
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:05,639
Speaker 1: daughter like her because she was kind and a sweet

1427
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:09,680
Speaker 1: person who treated people with respect. And Kara dropped me

1428
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 1: off at my place, and I thought this would be

1429
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 1: the end of things. Not even a day later, Karen

1430
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:20,679
Speaker 1: was banging on Kara's jars, screaming for Kara to get

1431
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 1: old herself.

1432
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 6: And forgive her, forgive me.

1433
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 1: She was going on and on and on about how

1434
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:27,599
Speaker 1: she couldn't hide John forever.

1435
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 4: Hey, Karen, I think your technique needs some work there.

1436
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 9: When you want people to forgive you, you don't go bang

1437
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 9: bang bang, open up.

1438
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 6: You crazy. You're crazy. If you don't forget me, you're so.

1439
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 6: She was going on about how she couldn't hide John forever.

1440
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 6: Gross right.

1441
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 1: Funny thing is Kara's dad, let's call let's call him

1442
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:48,599
Speaker 1: Bruce was over that day along with me and our

1443
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 1: friend let's call her Leah. When Bruce opened the door,

1444
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 1: Karen was flustered. She told Bruce to move out of

1445
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 1: the way and she was coming in. He blocked the

1446
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 1: entrance while Kara, John, and Leo were in the kitchen.

1447
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,679
Speaker 1: Bruce then continued to rip Karen a new one, saying

1448
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 1: that her giant ego had driven her insane the membrane

1449
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 1: and that he was glad that they had gotten divorced.

1450
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 4: Hecky, dude, cute the tears.

1451
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 6: Karen was crying and saying that she wanted her daughter back.

1452
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 7: Please no, I promise, I won't no, I say him

1453
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 7: at the wedding new.

1454
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 1: But you know what, you don't have to cry. I

1455
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 1: know you don't have to worry, you don't have to

1456
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:40,919
Speaker 1: spill tears, you don't have to feel sadness because my friends,

1457
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 1: you could spend like ten thousand hours with us with

1458
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1459
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1460
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1461
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 1: almost at the end of this crazy song. H what

1462
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 1: do you think about what's happening.

1463
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 9: I'd be right behind Bruce saying go Dad, go yeah,

1464
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:07,639
Speaker 9: go Dad.

1465
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 6: Gitter gitter do it so bad? There might be a

1466
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 6: bruise like high.

1467
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 3: Key if this this is such an.

1468
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 9: Ultimate betrayal, Like I don't know if I could even

1469
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 9: look at this person as my mom again.

1470
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 6: Like that's how bad that that is?

1471
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 1: I mean so It's literally it's not only uh, trying

1472
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 1: to sleep with your your your husband, not only ruining

1473
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 1: the wedding, but it's trying to sleep with your husband

1474
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 1: at your wedding. It's just the worst, the two worst

1475
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 1: imaginable things combined into one, and it and then and

1476
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:46,639
Speaker 1: then afterwards too.

1477
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 3: She comes back around being like, I'm so sorry.

1478
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 2: I just look.

1479
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 8: Are you gonna let your.

1480
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 3: Friend talk to me like that?

1481
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:52,599
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1482
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 3: I am Hello. Do you not remember what you did?

1483
01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 4: You know what?

1484
01:12:58,120 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 3: You know? What?

1485
01:12:58,560 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 6: You know?

1486
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 4: How swivel around? You can't shake me around like that?

1487
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 2: No?

1488
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 8: I was like, I was like intins of how I

1489
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:05,680
Speaker 8: was adding to.

1490
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 10: It emphasis imphasis, emphasis emphastist.

1491
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:11,640
Speaker 6: None of us were having any of it.

1492
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 1: Karen tried barging her way through, but Bruce kept her back.

1493
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:17,719
Speaker 1: While me and Leah stood in front of Kara and John,

1494
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 1: Bruce threatened to call the cops boo boo, to which

1495
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 1: Karen finally took the hint and left. After that, we

1496
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:26,719
Speaker 1: ordered some pizza. Karen John made the choice to file

1497
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 1: a restraining order.

1498
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 2: Oh.

1499
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:31,679
Speaker 6: Karen's act reaction wasn't a surprise. At this time.

1500
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:34,760
Speaker 1: She tried to contact John, this time begging him to

1501
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 1: lift it.

1502
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 6: He didn't even bother to respond and blocks her altogether.

1503
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 1: Kara and John haven't heard from her in about two

1504
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 1: days and are still happy. Our friend group is supposed

1505
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:45,560
Speaker 1: to meet up this weekend to go out for a

1506
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 1: nice dinner. I'll let you all know if Karen tries

1507
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:51,600
Speaker 1: to pull anything else. Okay, I'm just going to enjoy.

1508
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 6: The silent, the silence, and that's that.

1509
01:13:56,400 --> 01:14:01,679
Speaker 1: That is another Dakota Dare I say another satisfying ending.

1510
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 6: To his story.

1511
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 3: We're good.

1512
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 6: We're going a lot of those.

1513
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 4: There's just a little chef's kiss of an ending.