WEBVTT - Draft Show: Senior Bowl Standouts 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:05.400 The following. Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:13.480 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club Cowboys. This is the 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:18.639 Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room for 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:22.760 insider news and trapped analysis from deep within the confines 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:29.040 of Cowboys headquarters at the Star in for school and 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:35.720 now your hosts Brian brought us, Jeff Cavanaugh, Kyle Yeomans, 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:43.280 and David Hellman. It is Tuesday, February eighth. Welcome board, guys. 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:46.240 It feels like it's been a lifetime. I think that'll 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:49.319 happen when you disappear to the Senior Bowl and then 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:52.960 there there's a snowstorm. In reality, it's only been a 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:55.280 week since we've been together. Welcome back to the Draft Show. 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:59.279 I'm David Hellman. I'm joined by Jeff Kavanaugh, Brian brought us, 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:04.160 and the newly engaged Kyle Yeoman. Yeah. I saw the picture. 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:07.720 It looks like she said yes she did. Yeah, thank you. 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:10.440 That would have been awkward. I just will take you 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:13.559 behind the curtain. I just I'm glad this all worked 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:15.720 out for you, man, because the whole time we were 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:19.480 in Mobile, I think we had four flight changes and 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:21.520 had to change cities to get the hell out of 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:24.319 there with all the weather in Dallas, and the whole time, 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:27.080 Kyle was like, slung as I'm back by Sunday morning, 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:31.280 just I have an important obligation on Sunday, a thing. 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:33.399 I'm sitting there like, I just want to go drink 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:35.840 with Jeff. Yeah. We pulled that off on Sunday. Yeah, 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:38.440 so glad it worked out for y'all. You were making 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:41.480 life altering decisions. We were having some Miller lights, which 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:43.080 that's good. The Draft Show is brought to you by 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:47.280 Miller Light. But congratulations, Kyle, that's awesome than you. And 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:49.720 now I'll do my best Brian impression, say yo, yeah, yo, 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:52.440 let's let's get to the draft. Get along. No, did 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:54.840 anybody trying to talk you out of it? No? No, 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:58.800 not ye Brian, don't don't, don't, don't do it now, 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:01.360 don't do it, Brian. He's got a bit where it's 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:03.960 everybody's best friend's job to tell them not to get married, 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:07.960 and it's you let the man be happy for a second. No, 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:10.160 I mean you have to as a friend, you have 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:12.799 to say just to ask, right, you have to ask, 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:15.200 because that's a definition of a true friend. Again, another 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:17.760 true friend will not ask another one to help him move. Yeah, 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:21.240 that's another fuddy, the older I get the truer that rings. Yeah, 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:25.120 my back can't congratulations, I asked him. I asked him, Well, 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:26.840 thank you. We're good. Yeah, we were. We had a 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:28.799 lot of fun. It was a great day and got 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:31.120 to celebrate which with a bunch of people afterwards. So 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:35.120 lots of fun. She's happy, I'm happy. Everybody's happy. And yeah, 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:36.840 nobody tried to talk me out of it. So maybe 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:38.360 I don't have any for you don't have any friends, 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:40.440 And well maybe that's the case, so you have to 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:43.799 ask Jeff. Yeah, well maybe just a man just figured 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:45.440 out he doesn't have any friend, don't have any friends. 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:47.760 I guess he's different kinds of friends. Maybe we just 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:50.639 maybe no, maybe everybody just feels that good about this. 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:53.959 I'm hoping that's probably that's what it is. That well, 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:56.240 we're all very happy for you. Thank you. Enough of 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:59.200 this sentimental Yeah, let's talk draft. Let's get to the 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:01.799 Senior Bowl. We're all back. Kyle and I were there. 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:04.880 You guys had a front row seat on NFL Network 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:07.000 just like everybody else. So I just want to do 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.400 this first segment. We kind of previewed it. We had 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:11.200 some guys we wanted to keep an eye on, just 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:15.360 go around big impressions obviously. I mean there's gonna be 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:18.480 risers and followers. Guy Faller is follower a work guys 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:20.640 that stood out to you, Brian, I want to start 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:24.239 with you, because again I'm always fixated on the Cowboys, 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:28.800 and so honestly, these quarterbacks I did. Yeah, they don't 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:30.480 mean anything to me because I know none of them 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:33.160 are going to wear a Cowboys uniform. But with as 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:36.320 many first round prospects as we're there, I do think 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:38.560 it's worth talking about just in the sense of that 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:40.800 is going to help shape the first round. And I'm 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:43.640 curious for your thoughts. Yeah, No, I actually thought that 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:47.560 when you watch these quarterbacks play, you know, and I'm 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:50.560 one of these guys that I understand what Korl is 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:55.280 from Mississippi. I like willis, you know, from Liberty. Those 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:58.040 are like my top two guys and then I'm kind 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:01.680 of trying to sort out with what how and pick 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:04.680 it and Strong and Ritter And I think the Senior 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:06.800 Bowl did a really good job at two with with 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:10.120 Zappy there as well, that they you know that you 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:12.920 got to see these guys throw the ball live in practice. 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:15.040 You got to see him actually playing the game. You know, 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:17.480 they divide it up you depending on how many reps 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:19.960 and stuff you get. But I really do feel like 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:23.240 the how kid from North Carolina helped himself in this game, 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:24.960 I really do. I think there's a lot of people 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:28.080 sleeping on him right now, but if you watch the 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:31.200 way that he played, and in this league, we all 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:34.200 watched the game, so we understand that the mobility of 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:37.000 the quarterback is important, and I thought with him, he 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:41.000 did a great job of avoiding the rush, keeping eyes downfield, 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:43.520 making good throws. You know, those are the types of 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:45.520 things that I think that you can you could take 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:48.080 from this and say, oh, okay, this is why this 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:51.000 kid is this. And you know the thing I'll go 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:54.359 back with with a guy like Zappy say, you know, 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:57.560 from him, you can see if you watch the Western 0:04:57.680 --> 0:04:59.960 Kentucky tape, as good as he was throwing the foot 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:02.560 ball and how accurate he is, he doesn't have the 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:05.160 arm strength of the other guys. You can clearly see 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.600 that watching him playing. I'm not talking about the final play, 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:11.640 the Hail Mary and all that stuff like that, but overall, 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:14.000 when you watch him throw the ball, it is clearly 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:17.239 different than the other quarterbacks. So I think, overall, though, 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:19.560 you kind of got a good idea of how some 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:22.080 of these guys are gonna look and how they're gonna play, 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:25.320 how they're gonna take to pro coaching through the practices, 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:27.279 and then what you saw with the game. So the 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:30.640 line coming out of Mobile is that And this is 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:33.719 just a general statement, but the overall vibe I'm getting 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:37.440 is that people view Kenny Pickett as maybe the safest 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:39.839 guy that was there. Do you think that's fair or 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:41.919 do you think it's howell? You know what? To me? 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:44.320 Pick It probably in a lot of people's minds. I 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:46.800 just think that going in there was a lot of 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:49.960 people that thought very highly of how and then the 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:53.760 season at North Carolina didn't go like it was supposed to. 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:57.240 But all of a sudden, no, you're in a situation where, 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:00.880 you know, if you watch his tape of North Carolina 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.120 and you watch all his throws and stuff like that, 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:07.080 I mean, you see a guy that's got the arm talent, 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:08.680 that could stand on the left hash, throw it all 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:11.920 the way to the right sideline, make plays, mobility, all 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:14.039 those things. I just feel like that he was a 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:17.039 guy that people kind of forgot about and now he's 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:19.440 kind of back in the picture. But Picket's a guy 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:22.160 too that I mean again, it just we always talk 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:24.960 about the ice cream, you know, it's just the flavor. 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:28.360 You like me personally, though, I think I wish Corral 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:30.640 wouldn't have gotten hurt at the in the Bowl game 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:32.200 because I think he would have been at the Senior 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:34.600 Bowl and you've got to seeing him as well. And 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:37.599 and but the quarterbacks had got the opportunity to participate, 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.240 I thought, I thought held up very very well. I 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:42.720 think there was and I completely agree with the fact 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:46.479 on Sam how kind of elevating himself through the game 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:49.160 through practices, I felt like he kind of got lost 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:51.560 in the shofle with some of the ooze and the 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:54.039 awes of Malik Willis and what he was able to 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:56.760 do because his arm strength was on full display, because 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:59.479 he's always been known for that mobility, that running a type. 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:02.280 He had some zip on the ball. Every time it 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:05.279 left his hands, it was it was on point. He 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:08.520 had the accuracy. Sam How never had that same kind 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:11.840 of moxie to him in practice, but then he came 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:15.280 to the game and just dealed in the middle of Saturday. 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:18.640 He's when you watch him throw in Again, we're getting 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:21.240 into quarterbacks here and stuff to me, but you watched 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:23.480 the way he stands in the pocket and throws. It's 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:27.240 really an overhand throwing motion. I mean it's not you know, 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:29.440 these quarterbacks in day and age, we've seen the ones 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:32.320 we've evaluated. They're all can sling it around guys and 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:35.480 stuff like that. This isn't over the top thrower is 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:37.960 what this guy is. And you know, I've always kind 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:39.840 of felt like him not getting to watch a lot 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:42.280 of North Carolina practice and stuff. I'm sure if you 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:44.520 were scouting and you went to Chapel Hill and you 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:46.880 sat down and said, oh, Okay, maybe he's not a 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.280 great practice player, maybe he's not this or that or 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:51.440 the other. But I think when you watch him play 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:53.720 in the game, I mean, all these quarterbacks have those 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:56.680 has traits that you're kind of like, Okay, if I 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:59.600 draft this guy, this is what I'm gonna get. And 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:02.680 I think it was a good week for all these guys. 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:04.760 I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you, I'm worried 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:08.080 about Strong's knee. You know, the kid from out there 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:10.320 out and we're always such a bummer with the medicals. 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:13.960 Well I'm but but that's yeah, but that's something to 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:18.560 dislocated thumb. Thumb? Did he have to picket with his 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:22.520 gloves too? Right? Yeah? Yeah, the gloves And now can 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:24.680 you hold a ball like this? It's hard. I don't know. 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:26.840 He does a pretty good job of it, but yeah, 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:29.320 I mean to the heisman ceremony that way. Yeah, that's true. 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:31.560 I think I think the thing was strong. I think 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:35.160 when you really really dig in on him, that knee 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:37.720 is going to be a problem. And he talked about 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:39.640 it at the at the at the game that it's 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:43.720 something that where he has detached cartilage and from the 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:46.280 bone and stuff like that, and he's you know, he 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:48.520 didn't wear a brace, and you know, there's a lot 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:51.320 I mean, there's people that if you like him, you're 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:53.280 gonna have to kind of put some of the medical 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:56.600 stuff aside for him as well real quick, because there's 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:58.120 plenty of other guys we want to get to. But 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:00.880 I feel like I talked too long about But that's 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:04.080 it's fascinating to me because the idea going into Senior 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:07.640 Bowl week was like these quarterbacks are like mid round 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:11.120 picks and even then you might be overdrafting. Reminds me 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:13.920 of Mac Jones, Like he wasn't a consensus first rounder 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.280 when he got to Mobile. Then there's smoke that he's 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:18.480 going to go as high as two. Then he settles 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:22.319 into fifteen. So did any of these guys change that outlook? 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:25.880 I mean, I can just I can imagine how really 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:28.480 climbing up the draft boards. I the only one I 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:31.520 have in the first round is Corral, and then point 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:34.640 on it's willis how pick it? And then even lower 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:37.640 than that strong ritter and then Zappie. That's kind of 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:39.880 the order that I had them right now. But Corral 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:43.600 is my only top first round type of the one 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:47.319 guy we didn't see this week. You know, Jeffrey, what happened? 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:49.800 What else stood out to you from Senior Bowl week? 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:52.679 Who'd you like? Who didn't you like? Uh? Okay, I'm 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:56.520 gonna those guys I like, and one of them is 0:09:56.720 --> 0:10:01.040 Roger McCreary, the cornerback from Auburn. Because I like to 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:04.040 pay attention when they do the measurements because I know 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:06.440 what NFL teams do, and so there's gonna be NFL 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:09.320 teams that don't like Roger McCreary, the cornerback from Auburn. 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:11.480 Why because he's got tiny arms. He's got the t 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:13.880 Rex thing going on, so his arms are like twenty 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:16.520 nine in chains. So he won't be here. Yeah, he 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:20.080 won't be here. But first mentioning a good Yeah, he 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:23.400 goes to a big school. True. But because I had 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:27.280 watched his tape like right after the measurements, and I 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:28.720 was like, all right, let's see what this tiny arm 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:31.160 guy is about. And what the tiny arm guys about 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:33.680 is being better at covering than anyone else in the class. Ye, 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:35.560 It's like you can't get away from him. He's the 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:37.840 sticky cover guy that plays press man with his twenty 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:41.080 nine inch arms in the SEC on the outside. And 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:44.280 Roger McCreary's a baller. I would not be surprised if 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:46.560 he goes in the first round. I would not hate 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:48.840 if he were a cowboy. But I know how the 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:50.480 NFL works, and I think there's a lot of teams 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:52.200 are gonna look at him just be like Nope, not 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:55.720 for us, because he's a sub six foot, short armed guy. 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:59.320 But just throwing that name out there, Roger McCreary's a baller. 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:01.520 I'll tell you what this got. This kid nailed, and 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:03.079 I'll tell you what's even more impressed. And I don't 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:05.240 let Kyle get into this as well. This kid, when 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:07.319 you watch him play in the red zone, he doesn't 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:11.320 give up anything in the red zone. And I watched Alabama, Georgia, Kentucky, LSU. 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:14.560 He's not giving up anything to these guys. And I 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:16.800 think that's the thing. You could talk about short arms 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:18.760 and all that, but where he has short arms, he 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:21.160 has really good feet, almost great feet, you know, the 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:23.719 way he's able to move and react and things like that. 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.840 So yeah, if he if you talk about fourth first 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:29.960 round corners, he's right there in that mix with our 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:33.640 guy at Cincinnati, LSU and Auburn. I think he's right 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:36.000 in that mix with those guys. I like him a 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:37.520 lot too. I had him as in like an early 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:41.439 early second round grade. But he's probably my number three 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:44.760 corner on my list of guys that I've watched so far. 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:47.000 I watched that LSU game, but the Alabama game was 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:48.680 the one that I really was impressed with because he 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.080 was going up against Williams on one play and then 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:54.720 met Gie on the other play, and every single time 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:57.760 he was traveling. He was not stuck on one side 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:00.679 of the field. He traveled. He has versatility to play outside, 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:03.160 he can play in the slot, and like Jeff said, 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:06.360 he is so sticky. He's in the hip pocket of 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:09.520 every single receiver no matter what the route tree has 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:11.720 to deal with. And he's so fluid and doing so. 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:13.960 You mentioned footwork. That was one of the things that 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:17.040 I had I had bolded was his footwork is almost phenomenal. 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:19.080 You can't be a sticky man cover player if you 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:21.480 don't have great feet. No, you just can't. You can't 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:23.760 have slow feet, you can't react. I mean, your feet 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:25.400 can get you out of a lot of a lot 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:28.240 of problems. And again, I think both these guys got 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:32.080 the player absolutely right. The overall theme of the week 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:35.120 seems to be that the defensive line talent and mobile 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:39.520 was otherworldly, and I think I agree. I mean, Jermaine 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.080 Johnson kind of speaks for himself. Y'all talk about it 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:44.520 if you want. I mean, he he took Thursday off. 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:47.440 I just think that that that basically says everything you 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:49.600 need to know. He whooped everybody so bad that he 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.199 was like, I think I'm done here. I don't I 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:55.640 don't think Jermaine Johnson and I'm only speaking for me, 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:59.240 like I don't think his tape was overwhelming. Yeah, I 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:01.360 didn't have him as a first round guy watching him 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:03.360 on tape, and then you go to the Senior Bowl 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:06.760 and you know, my, how high do you think he 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:08.679 climbed with this? Or how much do you think he 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:11.840 helped himselves? Teens or twenties? Okay, yeah, and I think 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.000 watching him, I was like, okay, like that's a nice 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:17.000 built dude. But most of the times, if you're gonna 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:19.120 ask about his sack production, and when he made his 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:21.400 best plays, it was rushing people down the middle as 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:24.720 a two hundred and sixty pounder like straight arm or 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:29.439 through the chest or I managed to swipe hands and 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:33.040 run around. But like, he's not a bendy guy, but 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:37.000 he's a pretty strong run player whose pass rush plan 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:41.600 is pretty much swat hands and run and not bend 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:44.520 but swat hands and run or run down the middle. 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:47.720 And like that's not a very diverse rush plan. So 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:49.679 I'm like, okay, that's like a second round d n 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:52.439 see what he turns into. And then the Senior Bowl, 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:54.959 it's like, wait, he has eighty three pass rush moves, 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:58.760 and yeah, he can bend and he's quicker than everybody else. 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:00.640 There was one drill where they were going in the 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:04.640 rectangle with the pads uptight, and he was the last 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:06.120 one to go out of the edge rushers and I 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:08.760 was like, okay, it's a smart playing. Yeah, we're making 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.800 mental notes, and he just kind of rolling and then 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:14.440 he went and I swear if I would have had 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:16.800 a stop watch, it would have been twice as fast. 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:20.400 And the form, the footwork, the moves. You mentioned that 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:22.680 he somehow added to his arsenal in the four weeks 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:25.320 where he wasn't playing football at the collegiate level. But 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:28.760 he looks like a bottom half first round talent show. 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:31.880 We all love we all love the yeah, exactly. We 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:36.120 all love these Georgia defensive linemen. Right, this kid was 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:38.880 part of the Georgia defensive lineman. He was part of 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:40.960 that group, so they were kind of buried on the 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:42.640 depth chart. Yeah, and then he said, well, I'll go 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:45.080 to Florida State and I'll be their best defensive players 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:47.040 in Florida States. Had a lot of issues there, but 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:49.560 you know, I'll see you something about the kid. Jeff 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:52.560 talked about the pass rush stuff. He's really plays the 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:54.560 run very very well. There was times in the North 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:56.520 Carolina game where they tried to double team him and 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:58.920 he's like, nah, I'm not having any of this. You know, 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:01.960 able to kind of get through those and get in 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:03.880 on the ball and stuff like that. That's tough when 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:07.160 you have a player that's playing that hard every single 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:09.760 week and they're getting beat but you consistently see him 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:11.960 throughout the game and he doesn't look like he's beat 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:14.840 down by the whole scoreboard and all that. It just 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:16.720 reminds me of a guy like Ron Leary when I 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:18.840 watched him play that, Like you know, when he was 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:23.000 when in Memphis. He was getting just beat down every 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:26.240 single game and played hard. And you know there's something 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:28.200 about that for a kid when it's not great on 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:30.480 the scoreboard and they're still out there busting their ass. 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:33.480 Can I take you another place with the defensive line? Yeah, 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:35.840 hell yeah, there's there. We're not gonna get to all 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:38.040 of them. There's like ten of them because so many 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:41.880 of the defensive tackles stood out well, I think numb. Sorry, 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:43.640 if you're not going to bring him up, I at 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:46.720 least just need to say the name Perry on Winfrey, like, Yeah, 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:50.880 he just dominated Senior Bowl MVP two sacks. Kyle wrote 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:52.840 about him. You can go read it on the site. 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:56.080 Just dominated the Wednesday practice. Another guy who's I figured 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:57.960 that's who you weren't gonna bring up. Well, I was 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:03.080 just gonna more even as an overarching Cowboys topic, because 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:04.400 what I would like to get out there with the 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:09.120 draft is on this team right now, you probably need 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:11.840 a nose tackle one technique, a big boy space eatery 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:16.440 more than you need the free technique athlete tech pass. Yeah, 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:19.360 and so like a guy like Travis Jones jumped out 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:22.400 at me Connecticut seven pounds, this is going to be 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:25.760 an interesting study. And he's a good player on tape 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:28.000 two like he is. He's a space eater that can 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:30.520 stay in there versus double teams and verse single teams. 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:34.480 He's gonna walk into the quarterback m I thought he 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:37.280 was a Day two guy on tape and he helped 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:41.040 himself in mobile. So he probably goes in the second round. Wow, 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:44.680 Guys like um and I could be crazy because aga, 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:47.480 I think I'm not staring at everybody's rankings. If I'm 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:50.080 I'm telling you what I saw, and if I'm wrong. Whatever, 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:52.960 I've got a chance to be really wrong about this guy. 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:55.760 Don't like him. No, the problem I have. And maybe 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:58.600 I was having a bad day watching tape. Yeah it's 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:01.360 your fault. Maybe Sometimes it was like maybe one thirty 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:03.720 in the morning and I was still watching tape. I 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:06.959 to me, and only two games I had were Yale 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:10.800 and Houston. And for some reason, I'm like, I didn't 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:13.600 think that blockers had a very difficult time with him. 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:16.359 I had a Clemson game. I can send you, Okay, 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:18.040 was he all over the place in the Clemson game 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:20.040 because you have a problem with any of their blocks, see, 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.359 But that, to me, it was one of those things 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:25.240 where like, you know, the ball went by him in 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:28.280 the running game several times, and I was and I 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:30.919 was really surprised to hear how well he was playing 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:33.400 at the Senior Bowl. And I'm like, man, I wonder 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:35.720 if this is the same guy because he's a you know, 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:37.680 when the numbers you say he's a six four or 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:40.439 three hundred and thirty pound guy. But you know, I 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:44.040 mean there was I didn't see nearly enough where I mean, 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:46.520 we've seen some of these big defensive linements. Okay, I 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:49.800 watched this Neil Farrell from LSU, and I'm watching Neil 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:53.359 Farrell basically the same height weight and he's moving around 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:56.000 all over the place and getting in the backfield and stuff. 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:58.639 So maybe I need to watch the Clemson game, but 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:01.600 I didn't. I was glad to hear that Travis Jones 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:04.479 at least had a really good week of practice, because 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:07.480 I didn't feel like the tape that I watched was 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:09.720 good enough for him to make me feel like, oh wow, 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:12.119 if you need a one technique, you know, and by 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:15.280 the way, your guy from Oklahoma who plays as that 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:21.000 head up knows they're gonna look at him as a three. Yeah, yeah, 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:22.800 well that's and I didn't think his tape was good, 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:24.959 but I thought he is today three guy. And then 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:27.160 he destroyed the Senior Bowl and I'm like, okay, what 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:28.800 do I do? Like how far can you move a 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:31.800 guy up based on a week of practices? And the 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:35.120 answer for me was I moved him up pretty significantly. Yeah. See, 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:38.520 there's there's a couple of these guys, like I say him, Jones, 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:41.159 you know, I mean you're gonna you're gonna have to 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:43.239 go back and dig on some tape. I mean, you're 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:44.840 gonna have to find it and you're not gonna make 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:48.040 stuff up, like, oh, I'm now making this up. You know, 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:49.760 if you see the guy will for what he is, 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:51.800 he is probably what he is. Your first look at 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:54.200 him is probably what he is. And I wanted to 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:56.640 touch on another thing, like that's the big boys, which 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:59.160 I think is the bigger cowboy need. But the other 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:01.240 thing I would want to get out there is, don't 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:04.240 think three technique should be off the table now because 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:07.199