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Speaker 1: now your hosts Brian brought us, Jeff Cavanaugh, Kyle Yeomans,
Speaker 1: and David Hellman. It is Tuesday, February eighth. Welcome board, guys.
Speaker 1: It feels like it's been a lifetime. I think that'll
Speaker 1: happen when you disappear to the Senior Bowl and then
Speaker 1: there there's a snowstorm. In reality, it's only been a
Speaker 1: week since we've been together. Welcome back to the Draft Show.
Speaker 1: I'm David Hellman. I'm joined by Jeff Kavanaugh, Brian brought us,
Speaker 1: and the newly engaged Kyle Yeoman. Yeah. I saw the picture.
Speaker 1: It looks like she said yes she did. Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1: That would have been awkward. I just will take you
Speaker 1: behind the curtain. I just I'm glad this all worked
Speaker 1: out for you, man, because the whole time we were
Speaker 1: in Mobile, I think we had four flight changes and
Speaker 1: had to change cities to get the hell out of
Speaker 1: there with all the weather in Dallas, and the whole time,
Speaker 1: Kyle was like, slung as I'm back by Sunday morning,
Speaker 1: just I have an important obligation on Sunday, a thing.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there like, I just want to go drink
Speaker 1: with Jeff. Yeah. We pulled that off on Sunday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so glad it worked out for y'all. You were making
Speaker 1: life altering decisions. We were having some Miller lights, which
Speaker 1: that's good. The Draft Show is brought to you by
Speaker 1: Miller Light. But congratulations, Kyle, that's awesome than you. And
Speaker 1: now I'll do my best Brian impression, say yo, yeah, yo,
Speaker 1: let's let's get to the draft. Get along. No, did
Speaker 1: anybody trying to talk you out of it? No? No,
Speaker 1: not ye Brian, don't don't, don't, don't do it now,
Speaker 1: don't do it, Brian. He's got a bit where it's
Speaker 1: everybody's best friend's job to tell them not to get married,
Speaker 1: and it's you let the man be happy for a second. No,
Speaker 1: I mean you have to as a friend, you have
Speaker 1: to say just to ask, right, you have to ask,
Speaker 1: because that's a definition of a true friend. Again, another
Speaker 1: true friend will not ask another one to help him move. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's another fuddy, the older I get the truer that rings. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my back can't congratulations, I asked him. I asked him, Well,
Speaker 1: thank you. We're good. Yeah, we were. We had a
Speaker 1: lot of fun. It was a great day and got
Speaker 1: to celebrate which with a bunch of people afterwards. So
Speaker 1: lots of fun. She's happy, I'm happy. Everybody's happy. And yeah,
Speaker 1: nobody tried to talk me out of it. So maybe
Speaker 1: I don't have any for you don't have any friends,
Speaker 1: And well maybe that's the case, so you have to
Speaker 1: ask Jeff. Yeah, well maybe just a man just figured
Speaker 1: out he doesn't have any friend, don't have any friends.
Speaker 1: I guess he's different kinds of friends. Maybe we just
Speaker 1: maybe no, maybe everybody just feels that good about this.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that's probably that's what it is. That well,
Speaker 1: we're all very happy for you. Thank you. Enough of
Speaker 1: this sentimental Yeah, let's talk draft. Let's get to the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. We're all back. Kyle and I were there.
Speaker 1: You guys had a front row seat on NFL Network
Speaker 1: just like everybody else. So I just want to do
Speaker 1: this first segment. We kind of previewed it. We had
Speaker 1: some guys we wanted to keep an eye on, just
Speaker 1: go around big impressions obviously. I mean there's gonna be
Speaker 1: risers and followers. Guy Faller is follower a work guys
Speaker 1: that stood out to you, Brian, I want to start
Speaker 1: with you, because again I'm always fixated on the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and so honestly, these quarterbacks I did. Yeah, they don't
Speaker 1: mean anything to me because I know none of them
Speaker 1: are going to wear a Cowboys uniform. But with as
Speaker 1: many first round prospects as we're there, I do think
Speaker 1: it's worth talking about just in the sense of that
Speaker 1: is going to help shape the first round. And I'm
Speaker 1: curious for your thoughts. Yeah, No, I actually thought that
Speaker 1: when you watch these quarterbacks play, you know, and I'm
Speaker 1: one of these guys that I understand what Korl is
Speaker 1: from Mississippi. I like willis, you know, from Liberty. Those
Speaker 1: are like my top two guys and then I'm kind
Speaker 1: of trying to sort out with what how and pick
Speaker 1: it and Strong and Ritter And I think the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl did a really good job at two with with
Speaker 1: Zappy there as well, that they you know that you
Speaker 1: got to see these guys throw the ball live in practice.
Speaker 1: You got to see him actually playing the game. You know,
Speaker 1: they divide it up you depending on how many reps
Speaker 1: and stuff you get. But I really do feel like
Speaker 1: the how kid from North Carolina helped himself in this game,
Speaker 1: I really do. I think there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: sleeping on him right now, but if you watch the
Speaker 1: way that he played, and in this league, we all
Speaker 1: watched the game, so we understand that the mobility of
Speaker 1: the quarterback is important, and I thought with him, he
Speaker 1: did a great job of avoiding the rush, keeping eyes downfield,
Speaker 1: making good throws. You know, those are the types of
Speaker 1: things that I think that you can you could take
Speaker 1: from this and say, oh, okay, this is why this
Speaker 1: kid is this. And you know the thing I'll go
Speaker 1: back with with a guy like Zappy say, you know,
Speaker 1: from him, you can see if you watch the Western
Speaker 1: Kentucky tape, as good as he was throwing the foot
Speaker 1: ball and how accurate he is, he doesn't have the
Speaker 1: arm strength of the other guys. You can clearly see
Speaker 1: that watching him playing. I'm not talking about the final play,
Speaker 1: the Hail Mary and all that stuff like that, but overall,
Speaker 1: when you watch him throw the ball, it is clearly
Speaker 1: different than the other quarterbacks. So I think, overall, though,
Speaker 1: you kind of got a good idea of how some
Speaker 1: of these guys are gonna look and how they're gonna play,
Speaker 1: how they're gonna take to pro coaching through the practices,
Speaker 1: and then what you saw with the game. So the
Speaker 1: line coming out of Mobile is that And this is
Speaker 1: just a general statement, but the overall vibe I'm getting
Speaker 1: is that people view Kenny Pickett as maybe the safest
Speaker 1: guy that was there. Do you think that's fair or
Speaker 1: do you think it's howell? You know what? To me?
Speaker 1: Pick It probably in a lot of people's minds. I
Speaker 1: just think that going in there was a lot of
Speaker 1: people that thought very highly of how and then the
Speaker 1: season at North Carolina didn't go like it was supposed to.
Speaker 1: But all of a sudden, no, you're in a situation where,
Speaker 1: you know, if you watch his tape of North Carolina
Speaker 1: and you watch all his throws and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: I mean, you see a guy that's got the arm talent,
Speaker 1: that could stand on the left hash, throw it all
Speaker 1: the way to the right sideline, make plays, mobility, all
Speaker 1: those things. I just feel like that he was a
Speaker 1: guy that people kind of forgot about and now he's
Speaker 1: kind of back in the picture. But Picket's a guy
Speaker 1: too that I mean again, it just we always talk
Speaker 1: about the ice cream, you know, it's just the flavor.
Speaker 1: You like me personally, though, I think I wish Corral
Speaker 1: wouldn't have gotten hurt at the in the Bowl game
Speaker 1: because I think he would have been at the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl and you've got to seeing him as well. And
Speaker 1: and but the quarterbacks had got the opportunity to participate,
Speaker 1: I thought, I thought held up very very well. I
Speaker 1: think there was and I completely agree with the fact
Speaker 1: on Sam how kind of elevating himself through the game
Speaker 1: through practices, I felt like he kind of got lost
Speaker 1: in the shofle with some of the ooze and the
Speaker 1: awes of Malik Willis and what he was able to
Speaker 1: do because his arm strength was on full display, because
Speaker 1: he's always been known for that mobility, that running a type.
Speaker 1: He had some zip on the ball. Every time it
Speaker 1: left his hands, it was it was on point. He
Speaker 1: had the accuracy. Sam How never had that same kind
Speaker 1: of moxie to him in practice, but then he came
Speaker 1: to the game and just dealed in the middle of Saturday.
Speaker 1: He's when you watch him throw in Again, we're getting
Speaker 1: into quarterbacks here and stuff to me, but you watched
Speaker 1: the way he stands in the pocket and throws. It's
Speaker 1: really an overhand throwing motion. I mean it's not you know,
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks in day and age, we've seen the ones
Speaker 1: we've evaluated. They're all can sling it around guys and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. This isn't over the top thrower is
Speaker 1: what this guy is. And you know, I've always kind
Speaker 1: of felt like him not getting to watch a lot
Speaker 1: of North Carolina practice and stuff. I'm sure if you
Speaker 1: were scouting and you went to Chapel Hill and you
Speaker 1: sat down and said, oh, Okay, maybe he's not a
Speaker 1: great practice player, maybe he's not this or that or
Speaker 1: the other. But I think when you watch him play
Speaker 1: in the game, I mean, all these quarterbacks have those
Speaker 1: has traits that you're kind of like, Okay, if I
Speaker 1: draft this guy, this is what I'm gonna get. And
Speaker 1: I think it was a good week for all these guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you, I'm worried
Speaker 1: about Strong's knee. You know, the kid from out there
Speaker 1: out and we're always such a bummer with the medicals.
Speaker 1: Well I'm but but that's yeah, but that's something to
Speaker 1: dislocated thumb. Thumb? Did he have to picket with his
Speaker 1: gloves too? Right? Yeah? Yeah, the gloves And now can
Speaker 1: you hold a ball like this? It's hard. I don't know.
Speaker 1: He does a pretty good job of it, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean to the heisman ceremony that way. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: I think I think the thing was strong. I think
Speaker 1: when you really really dig in on him, that knee
Speaker 1: is going to be a problem. And he talked about
Speaker 1: it at the at the at the game that it's
Speaker 1: something that where he has detached cartilage and from the
Speaker 1: bone and stuff like that, and he's you know, he
Speaker 1: didn't wear a brace, and you know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: I mean, there's people that if you like him, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to kind of put some of the medical
Speaker 1: stuff aside for him as well real quick, because there's
Speaker 1: plenty of other guys we want to get to. But
Speaker 1: I feel like I talked too long about But that's
Speaker 1: it's fascinating to me because the idea going into Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl week was like these quarterbacks are like mid round
Speaker 1: picks and even then you might be overdrafting. Reminds me
Speaker 1: of Mac Jones, Like he wasn't a consensus first rounder
Speaker 1: when he got to Mobile. Then there's smoke that he's
Speaker 1: going to go as high as two. Then he settles
Speaker 1: into fifteen. So did any of these guys change that outlook?
Speaker 1: I mean, I can just I can imagine how really
Speaker 1: climbing up the draft boards. I the only one I
Speaker 1: have in the first round is Corral, and then point
Speaker 1: on it's willis how pick it? And then even lower
Speaker 1: than that strong ritter and then Zappie. That's kind of
Speaker 1: the order that I had them right now. But Corral
Speaker 1: is my only top first round type of the one
Speaker 1: guy we didn't see this week. You know, Jeffrey, what happened?
Speaker 1: What else stood out to you from Senior Bowl week?
Speaker 1: Who'd you like? Who didn't you like? Uh? Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna those guys I like, and one of them is
Speaker 1: Roger McCreary, the cornerback from Auburn. Because I like to
Speaker 1: pay attention when they do the measurements because I know
Speaker 1: what NFL teams do, and so there's gonna be NFL
Speaker 1: teams that don't like Roger McCreary, the cornerback from Auburn.
Speaker 1: Why because he's got tiny arms. He's got the t
Speaker 1: Rex thing going on, so his arms are like twenty
Speaker 1: nine in chains. So he won't be here. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: won't be here. But first mentioning a good Yeah, he
Speaker 1: goes to a big school. True. But because I had
Speaker 1: watched his tape like right after the measurements, and I
Speaker 1: was like, all right, let's see what this tiny arm
Speaker 1: guy is about. And what the tiny arm guys about
Speaker 1: is being better at covering than anyone else in the class. Ye,
Speaker 1: It's like you can't get away from him. He's the
Speaker 1: sticky cover guy that plays press man with his twenty
Speaker 1: nine inch arms in the SEC on the outside. And
Speaker 1: Roger McCreary's a baller. I would not be surprised if
Speaker 1: he goes in the first round. I would not hate
Speaker 1: if he were a cowboy. But I know how the
Speaker 1: NFL works, and I think there's a lot of teams
Speaker 1: are gonna look at him just be like Nope, not
Speaker 1: for us, because he's a sub six foot, short armed guy.
Speaker 1: But just throwing that name out there, Roger McCreary's a baller.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what this got. This kid nailed, and
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what's even more impressed. And I don't
Speaker 1: let Kyle get into this as well. This kid, when
Speaker 1: you watch him play in the red zone, he doesn't
Speaker 1: give up anything in the red zone. And I watched Alabama, Georgia, Kentucky, LSU.
Speaker 1: He's not giving up anything to these guys. And I
Speaker 1: think that's the thing. You could talk about short arms
Speaker 1: and all that, but where he has short arms, he
Speaker 1: has really good feet, almost great feet, you know, the
Speaker 1: way he's able to move and react and things like that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, if he if you talk about fourth first
Speaker 1: round corners, he's right there in that mix with our
Speaker 1: guy at Cincinnati, LSU and Auburn. I think he's right
Speaker 1: in that mix with those guys. I like him a
Speaker 1: lot too. I had him as in like an early
Speaker 1: early second round grade. But he's probably my number three
Speaker 1: corner on my list of guys that I've watched so far.
Speaker 1: I watched that LSU game, but the Alabama game was
Speaker 1: the one that I really was impressed with because he
Speaker 1: was going up against Williams on one play and then
Speaker 1: met Gie on the other play, and every single time
Speaker 1: he was traveling. He was not stuck on one side
Speaker 1: of the field. He traveled. He has versatility to play outside,
Speaker 1: he can play in the slot, and like Jeff said,
Speaker 1: he is so sticky. He's in the hip pocket of
Speaker 1: every single receiver no matter what the route tree has
Speaker 1: to deal with. And he's so fluid and doing so.
Speaker 1: You mentioned footwork. That was one of the things that
Speaker 1: I had I had bolded was his footwork is almost phenomenal.
Speaker 1: You can't be a sticky man cover player if you
Speaker 1: don't have great feet. No, you just can't. You can't
Speaker 1: have slow feet, you can't react. I mean, your feet
Speaker 1: can get you out of a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of problems. And again, I think both these guys got
Speaker 1: the player absolutely right. The overall theme of the week
Speaker 1: seems to be that the defensive line talent and mobile
Speaker 1: was otherworldly, and I think I agree. I mean, Jermaine
Speaker 1: Johnson kind of speaks for himself. Y'all talk about it
Speaker 1: if you want. I mean, he he took Thursday off.
Speaker 1: I just think that that that basically says everything you
Speaker 1: need to know. He whooped everybody so bad that he
Speaker 1: was like, I think I'm done here. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't think Jermaine Johnson and I'm only speaking for me,
Speaker 1: like I don't think his tape was overwhelming. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't have him as a first round guy watching him
Speaker 1: on tape, and then you go to the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: and you know, my, how high do you think he
Speaker 1: climbed with this? Or how much do you think he
Speaker 1: helped himselves? Teens or twenties? Okay, yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: watching him, I was like, okay, like that's a nice
Speaker 1: built dude. But most of the times, if you're gonna
Speaker 1: ask about his sack production, and when he made his
Speaker 1: best plays, it was rushing people down the middle as
Speaker 1: a two hundred and sixty pounder like straight arm or
Speaker 1: through the chest or I managed to swipe hands and
Speaker 1: run around. But like, he's not a bendy guy, but
Speaker 1: he's a pretty strong run player whose pass rush plan
Speaker 1: is pretty much swat hands and run and not bend
Speaker 1: but swat hands and run or run down the middle.
Speaker 1: And like that's not a very diverse rush plan. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, that's like a second round d n
Speaker 1: see what he turns into. And then the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: it's like, wait, he has eighty three pass rush moves,
Speaker 1: and yeah, he can bend and he's quicker than everybody else.
Speaker 1: There was one drill where they were going in the
Speaker 1: rectangle with the pads uptight, and he was the last
Speaker 1: one to go out of the edge rushers and I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, it's a smart playing. Yeah, we're making
Speaker 1: mental notes, and he just kind of rolling and then
Speaker 1: he went and I swear if I would have had
Speaker 1: a stop watch, it would have been twice as fast.
Speaker 1: And the form, the footwork, the moves. You mentioned that
Speaker 1: he somehow added to his arsenal in the four weeks
Speaker 1: where he wasn't playing football at the collegiate level. But
Speaker 1: he looks like a bottom half first round talent show.
Speaker 1: We all love we all love the yeah, exactly. We
Speaker 1: all love these Georgia defensive linemen. Right, this kid was
Speaker 1: part of the Georgia defensive lineman. He was part of
Speaker 1: that group, so they were kind of buried on the
Speaker 1: depth chart. Yeah, and then he said, well, I'll go
Speaker 1: to Florida State and I'll be their best defensive players
Speaker 1: in Florida States. Had a lot of issues there, but
Speaker 1: you know, I'll see you something about the kid. Jeff
Speaker 1: talked about the pass rush stuff. He's really plays the
Speaker 1: run very very well. There was times in the North
Speaker 1: Carolina game where they tried to double team him and
Speaker 1: he's like, nah, I'm not having any of this. You know,
Speaker 1: able to kind of get through those and get in
Speaker 1: on the ball and stuff like that. That's tough when
Speaker 1: you have a player that's playing that hard every single
Speaker 1: week and they're getting beat but you consistently see him
Speaker 1: throughout the game and he doesn't look like he's beat
Speaker 1: down by the whole scoreboard and all that. It just
Speaker 1: reminds me of a guy like Ron Leary when I
Speaker 1: watched him play that, Like you know, when he was
Speaker 1: when in Memphis. He was getting just beat down every
Speaker 1: single game and played hard. And you know there's something
Speaker 1: about that for a kid when it's not great on
Speaker 1: the scoreboard and they're still out there busting their ass.
Speaker 1: Can I take you another place with the defensive line? Yeah,
Speaker 1: hell yeah, there's there. We're not gonna get to all
Speaker 1: of them. There's like ten of them because so many
Speaker 1: of the defensive tackles stood out well, I think numb. Sorry,
Speaker 1: if you're not going to bring him up, I at
Speaker 1: least just need to say the name Perry on Winfrey, like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he just dominated Senior Bowl MVP two sacks. Kyle wrote
Speaker 1: about him. You can go read it on the site.
Speaker 1: Just dominated the Wednesday practice. Another guy who's I figured
Speaker 1: that's who you weren't gonna bring up. Well, I was
Speaker 1: just gonna more even as an overarching Cowboys topic, because
Speaker 1: what I would like to get out there with the
Speaker 1: draft is on this team right now, you probably need
Speaker 1: a nose tackle one technique, a big boy space eatery
Speaker 1: more than you need the free technique athlete tech pass. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so like a guy like Travis Jones jumped out
Speaker 1: at me Connecticut seven pounds, this is going to be
Speaker 1: an interesting study. And he's a good player on tape
Speaker 1: two like he is. He's a space eater that can
Speaker 1: stay in there versus double teams and verse single teams.
Speaker 1: He's gonna walk into the quarterback m I thought he
Speaker 1: was a Day two guy on tape and he helped
Speaker 1: himself in mobile. So he probably goes in the second round. Wow,
Speaker 1: Guys like um and I could be crazy because aga,
Speaker 1: I think I'm not staring at everybody's rankings. If I'm
Speaker 1: I'm telling you what I saw, and if I'm wrong. Whatever,
Speaker 1: I've got a chance to be really wrong about this guy.
Speaker 1: Don't like him. No, the problem I have. And maybe
Speaker 1: I was having a bad day watching tape. Yeah it's
Speaker 1: your fault. Maybe Sometimes it was like maybe one thirty
Speaker 1: in the morning and I was still watching tape. I
Speaker 1: to me, and only two games I had were Yale
Speaker 1: and Houston. And for some reason, I'm like, I didn't
Speaker 1: think that blockers had a very difficult time with him.
Speaker 1: I had a Clemson game. I can send you, Okay,
Speaker 1: was he all over the place in the Clemson game
Speaker 1: because you have a problem with any of their blocks, see,
Speaker 1: But that, to me, it was one of those things
Speaker 1: where like, you know, the ball went by him in
Speaker 1: the running game several times, and I was and I
Speaker 1: was really surprised to hear how well he was playing
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. And I'm like, man, I wonder
Speaker 1: if this is the same guy because he's a you know,
Speaker 1: when the numbers you say he's a six four or
Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty pound guy. But you know, I
Speaker 1: mean there was I didn't see nearly enough where I mean,
Speaker 1: we've seen some of these big defensive linements. Okay, I
Speaker 1: watched this Neil Farrell from LSU, and I'm watching Neil
Speaker 1: Farrell basically the same height weight and he's moving around
Speaker 1: all over the place and getting in the backfield and stuff.
Speaker 1: So maybe I need to watch the Clemson game, but
Speaker 1: I didn't. I was glad to hear that Travis Jones
Speaker 1: at least had a really good week of practice, because
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like the tape that I watched was
Speaker 1: good enough for him to make me feel like, oh wow,
Speaker 1: if you need a one technique, you know, and by
Speaker 1: the way, your guy from Oklahoma who plays as that
Speaker 1: head up knows they're gonna look at him as a three. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's and I didn't think his tape was good,
Speaker 1: but I thought he is today three guy. And then
Speaker 1: he destroyed the Senior Bowl and I'm like, okay, what
Speaker 1: do I do? Like how far can you move a
Speaker 1: guy up based on a week of practices? And the
Speaker 1: answer for me was I moved him up pretty significantly. Yeah. See,
Speaker 1: there's there's a couple of these guys, like I say him, Jones,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean you're gonna you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: go back and dig on some tape. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to find it and you're not gonna make
Speaker 1: stuff up, like, oh, I'm now making this up. You know,
Speaker 1: if you see the guy will for what he is,
Speaker 1: he is probably what he is. Your first look at
Speaker 1: him is probably what he is. And I wanted to
Speaker 1: touch on another thing, like that's the big boys, which
Speaker 1: I think is the bigger cowboy need. But the other
Speaker 1: thing I would want to get out there is, don't
Speaker 1: think three technique should be off the table now because
Speaker 1: like the Bengals, he's not what he was. But like
Speaker 1: when they had Gino Atkins Chris Jones for the Chiefs, like,
Speaker 1: those are your three techniques, those are your game changers.
Speaker 1: We get I think cowboy fans and us you get
Speaker 1: so familiar with this roster that you're like, oh Osa
Speaker 1: did some nice things. Yeah, and oh man Neville Gallimore
Speaker 1: not bad, He's okay. Yeah. If you think that, say
Speaker 1: DeVante Wyatt, Georgia. That's so I was going to get
Speaker 1: off the draft class at you tackle if you think
Speaker 1: he can be a real life difference maker. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter that you have Tristan Hill Devil Gallimore, which well,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up Wyatt because to me when
Speaker 1: you start talking about you watch Georgia play and it's clear.
Speaker 1: I mean, and I know Jordan Davis is a big
Speaker 1: man and all that, but man, it's like whyat is
Speaker 1: off the ball like all those guys, all those defensive
Speaker 1: linemen for Georgia come off the ball. But I mean,
Speaker 1: he's like the first one with the initial quickness and stuff,
Speaker 1: and that's that's what helps him. I mean, he the movement,
Speaker 1: the way, the initial quickness they use him on, twist
Speaker 1: stunts and things like that. There's a lot of things
Speaker 1: that you can do with Wyatt from Georgia to help
Speaker 1: your to help your scheme before we go to break,
Speaker 1: I did, did y'all have a chance to watch my
Speaker 1: If I have a pet cat coming out of Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl week? As long as we're on this topic, it's
Speaker 1: probably a Tito Obonia out of UCLA. I thought he
Speaker 1: was really impressive and like along in the line of
Speaker 1: what y'all are talking about with Travis Jones, he's massive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's six three three twenty six and I think he
Speaker 1: could play both positions like I mean, he he gave
Speaker 1: your boy's eye on Johnson all he could handle. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying a couple guys gave Zion Johnson that then,
Speaker 1: oh you mean the offensive lineman of the week from
Speaker 1: his team. Yeah, kind of you guys are saying, no,
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, actually get beat up. I did want
Speaker 1: he I thought I thought he built as the week
Speaker 1: went along, Like I texted you, he was on the
Speaker 1: ground a lot on Tuesday and as the week when there.
Speaker 1: As the week went along, I thought he got better.
Speaker 1: There's got a there's got to be like at least
Speaker 1: six d tackles that really help themselves out last week.
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Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to the Draft Show segment too. You know what
Speaker 1: that means? Twitter Twitter beam on that he was ready
Speaker 1: on Q we are rounding into form here last Tuesday
Speaker 1: when we filled out, we are we are rounding into
Speaker 1: form here. I'm excited about it. Let's just get right
Speaker 1: into it. Uh my buddy, Joe, Hey Joe, how you doing? Uh?
Speaker 1: A lot of talk about left guard at pick twenty four.
Speaker 1: I think, going back to the first segment, the two
Speaker 1: names we've heard the most of Kenyon Green out of
Speaker 1: Texas and m Zion Johnson out of Boston College. Obviously
Speaker 1: probably early to know if both of those guys are
Speaker 1: right for that range, but he wants a comparison between
Speaker 1: the two. How you feel about those guys. I think
Speaker 1: Green at A and M to me is a higher
Speaker 1: ceiling guy. And Brian hates these words. He's not sure
Speaker 1: what they mean. I'm not sure what you're talking about now,
Speaker 1: but Green between the flexibility like another conversation. But with
Speaker 1: Kenyan Green, the A and M guy, he's my number
Speaker 1: one guard. One of the things that jumps out immediately
Speaker 1: is literally his stance, like he is so comfortable for
Speaker 1: a three hundred and twenty pound or whatever guy with
Speaker 1: knee bend and with using that to generate power. So like,
Speaker 1: I think Kenyan Green is the more powerful player that
Speaker 1: might have the better tools. And I think Zion Johnson
Speaker 1: is like everything in my notes is just good, good, good, good, good,
Speaker 1: good good good, and it's just like that's him. He's
Speaker 1: just a rock solid player. They both played multiple positions,
Speaker 1: so I think both of them are stepping starters at guard.
Speaker 1: And I'm a big Zion Johnson fan. I would not
Speaker 1: have a problem at twenty four picking him. Kenyan Green
Speaker 1: I'd be excited to pick at twenty four. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think Jeff has got the players right. I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what I think with Kenyon Green, you have a guy
Speaker 1: that's a little bit more confident on sitting down on
Speaker 1: his guy when he when he has to deal with
Speaker 1: a power player. And I think that's something Jeff hit
Speaker 1: it with the knee bin and the balance and the
Speaker 1: strength and all that. The thing I worry about Zion
Speaker 1: Johnson a little bit. I don't think he completely trust
Speaker 1: himself just to sit down on his guy. And I
Speaker 1: mean because he's just a really if you had to
Speaker 1: tell me, I think Johnson's actually a better athlete, and
Speaker 1: I think Green's a better power player. Yes, when I
Speaker 1: look at the two and if you said, I can
Speaker 1: you're a cowboy fans screaming for the better power player
Speaker 1: right now. Well, if you're Pion, Johnson's the best sustainer
Speaker 1: I've seen it Guarden years hands on someone. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: doesn't he does not fall off. Yeah, I mean they
Speaker 1: didn't happen. They both mean. I'm not seeing it. Zion
Speaker 1: Johnson doesn't have power because you could see in the
Speaker 1: running game he'll get some movement. But I think that
Speaker 1: I think that Kenyon Green is the guy that that
Speaker 1: because one of my favorite things is like he plays
Speaker 1: to the echo of the whistle like theyre's still like
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, they've blown the whistle and he's
Speaker 1: still like driving a guy over a pile or something
Speaker 1: like that. And I want I kind of like that
Speaker 1: about him, I really really do. And and but nothing
Speaker 1: against Johnson. I just think that Green's a more powerful player,
Speaker 1: and I think Johnson's a little bit better athlete. You
Speaker 1: guys are spot on because you you bring up the
Speaker 1: strength of Green and his lower body is just nuts
Speaker 1: to me. I mean, I think his his balance is
Speaker 1: not need though you're noticed him on the side he
Speaker 1: turns his knees turn in just a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're kind of like, I go, man's a funny
Speaker 1: lower body there. Yeah, but it's strong. But he is strong.
Speaker 1: He's strong, and he's really thick in the lower body.
Speaker 1: The thing about Zion Johnson that I think will be
Speaker 1: evaluated over and over again that I really like is one,
Speaker 1: like you said, the confidence level. This is a guy
Speaker 1: who got to Boston College after playing at Davidson. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was playing with a press box that's no bigger
Speaker 1: than what the podcast studio is it that we're in
Speaker 1: right now, Brown's House in the end zone. I don't
Speaker 1: even know if they could that guy at Golden State. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. They found that guy from Stephan Curry from Davidson. True,
Speaker 1: but he played three seasons there, got to Boston College
Speaker 1: and immediately was a starter, immediately played really well and
Speaker 1: was the best offensive guard potentially in the ACC, maybe
Speaker 1: in the country. And if that's not enough for me
Speaker 1: to build his confidence, I don't know what could be.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just the thought. Again, that's just my
Speaker 1: thought of Like I said, I think that the guy.
Speaker 1: I think he's got enough strength and enough power. I
Speaker 1: just don't know. I mean, to me, I thought this
Speaker 1: guy was going to come out last year, and then
Speaker 1: he went back and then and I was kind of like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: he played better. He played better. He sure did. I'll
Speaker 1: be honest, I went into this question assuming I would
Speaker 1: come out of it and just like, yeah, Green is
Speaker 1: the much better option. But I'm hearing a lot of
Speaker 1: zion love. It's an ice cream thing. I honestly, I
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't these guys, right, I don't think
Speaker 1: you could go wrong with either one of these guys.
Speaker 1: I really really don't. I think that if you plug
Speaker 1: them in and play, you're going to be really happy.
Speaker 1: And I know that the things that Jerry Jones covets
Speaker 1: when he starts talking about protecting the front of that pocket,
Speaker 1: both these guys can do that. But I think Green
Speaker 1: would be a little bit better at it than Johnson was.
Speaker 1: Real quickly, sorry, Dave, Is there any question on the
Speaker 1: scheme fit for both of these guys? Because I feel
Speaker 1: like Green could fit into any scheme he's placed into
Speaker 1: and can play both guard positions, potentially could work out
Speaker 1: to right tackle, whereas Johnson, on the other hand, I
Speaker 1: think is pretty limited. And they tried him at center,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if that's going to be a
Speaker 1: long term answer. Do you feel that way anyway as
Speaker 1: long as you're playing. If you're talking about playing them
Speaker 1: both at guard, then I don't think either one has
Speaker 1: any limitation. So I don't think both of them are
Speaker 1: really good zone blockers Zion. Johnson's great on the move
Speaker 1: left or right. I love how he gets to the
Speaker 1: second level. Yeah, so I think no, I think both
Speaker 1: of them fit fine. Kenyan Green the bonuses. If somebody
Speaker 1: quits your team or something and it's like, hey, we
Speaker 1: need a insert offensive line position, he'd go, I've played that. Ye,
Speaker 1: there you go. Yeah, he played left tackle against Alabama
Speaker 1: and it wasn't bad. Yeah, right tackle against Kent State.
Speaker 1: That's fun to watch. Yeah, all I need to know,
Speaker 1: all right, Bob, Bob, Bob Bliss wants to know you
Speaker 1: feel better losing Randy Gregory if you have George Karloftis
Speaker 1: out of Purdue, David Dajabo out of Michigan, or Jermaine
Speaker 1: Johnson out of Florida State. If you if you come
Speaker 1: away from the first round with one of those guys,
Speaker 1: can you tolerate losing Randy gregor give me Karloftis. If
Speaker 1: you're going to pick a guy, why, I kind of
Speaker 1: feel like to me with him, he could play him
Speaker 1: at really at both spots. And again, this whole thing
Speaker 1: with position flex, I'm I've had enough of it. But
Speaker 1: this guy will, I mean, because what he can do
Speaker 1: is he's super impressive with the way I mean, the
Speaker 1: technique that he plays with because he is going to
Speaker 1: not he's going to rush to the level of the
Speaker 1: quarterback there's a lot of these guys, these young rushers,
Speaker 1: that they get way too deep. He goes flying by
Speaker 1: the guy. He never gets a hand. He always seems
Speaker 1: to like the swat, the swim, the rip, the pull.
Speaker 1: All that stuff is getting him to the level of
Speaker 1: the quarterback. And when you get to the right spot,
Speaker 1: you're going to find a way to make a lot
Speaker 1: of plays. And this guy's got to burst and he
Speaker 1: can redirect. I mean, there's a lot of positive things
Speaker 1: about him. I talk about the double team blocks a
Speaker 1: lot of times. He he's going to see his share
Speaker 1: of those, and they but they were they knew where
Speaker 1: he was. I mean Notre Dame in Iowa. When I
Speaker 1: was watching those games. They knew where he was on
Speaker 1: the field, and they tried to double teammate and this
Speaker 1: guy was still making plays because of his smarts and
Speaker 1: the technique. I would be totally on board having a
Speaker 1: rusher like this guy. Yeah, Randy Gregory's staying so I agree.
Speaker 1: I'm totally down with drafting another one. I agree with you.
Speaker 1: But that wasn't the question. Maybe it won't be maybe
Speaker 1: it'll be somebody else that's not here. Well, don't ask
Speaker 1: that question. Gregory's gonna be here now. Maybe you are
Speaker 1: missing a different edge guy for some reason, and you
Speaker 1: could use an edge guy. Hate this conversation, but um yeah,
Speaker 1: of course you would feel better if you had a
Speaker 1: first round caliber player to replace them. So do you
Speaker 1: have a do you have a preference on those three?
Speaker 1: I have not studied Ojabo yet. Karloftis over Johnson pretty
Speaker 1: comfortably for me. Yeah, I wentfis is just one of
Speaker 1: those heavy handed, can't stop, won't stop offensive lineman. Just
Speaker 1: can't sustain on him because he's just BAM. I feel like,
Speaker 1: from what I know about him that that would almost
Speaker 1: be like a coup to get in that range of
Speaker 1: the draft, you know, like something would have well, but
Speaker 1: he can kind of feel if I'm wrong, really you
Speaker 1: could have Hutchinson. He's not like Tho and Trayvon Walker.
Speaker 1: And maybe somebody takes Jermaine Johnson. Maybe he's a fifth
Speaker 1: edge off to Ando Jabo. Maybe he's a sixth edge.
Speaker 1: He's not like a freak a zoid bendy guy though, right, No,
Speaker 1: he will not test grate And that's that's kind of
Speaker 1: my point. Man. I just watched a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: I disagree. I mean, I think, yeah, to me, this
Speaker 1: I just kind of when you watch him play, whether
Speaker 1: he's a bendy guy or not, the way I have
Speaker 1: it is Thibodeau, Hutchinson and him. That's how I have
Speaker 1: it right that those are my three right there. And
Speaker 1: if you want to throw Walker in there and a
Speaker 1: Jabo and Jermaine Johnson, but that's okay. But Thibodeau and Hutchinson,
Speaker 1: Oregon and Michigan yea. For those of you keeping score,
Speaker 1: they're widely seen as like top five to top ten picks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're out of there. How far below Carl? Like, how
Speaker 1: how much of a drop is Carloft? Do he to me?
Speaker 1: Anywhere between twelve and sixteen? Okay, that's kind of where
Speaker 1: I have him. Edge Rushers get picked, That's what they do.
Speaker 1: One thing about the edge rusher spot. And if I
Speaker 1: know you said you hate this conversation, and I think
Speaker 1: we may try and push this too later in the week,
Speaker 1: but I think replacing an edge rusher in the second
Speaker 1: round would be more likely than replacing another position of need.
Speaker 1: That's one we're gonna just just to let you know,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to pick that guy in the first round.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a lot of edge rushers there that
Speaker 1: are really intriguing. Whenever, how many how many edge rushers
Speaker 1: drafted outside the top, like fifteen make a quick impact.
Speaker 1: It's not easy to do wide receivers is what we
Speaker 1: get in second. Don't tweet me about t J Watt.
Speaker 1: I know, um, all right, Well, we can tap dance
Speaker 1: around this a little bit more. I do. Look, I
Speaker 1: want to do a segment word coming out of mobile.
Speaker 1: It's been discussed in the in cowboys Land all week
Speaker 1: about the potential of the ambiguous futures of DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: and a MARII Cooper. We can get into a whole
Speaker 1: segment about that for the time being, Selven wants to know,
Speaker 1: on the off chance of Mari Cooper's not here, how
Speaker 1: big of a need does wide receiver become huge for
Speaker 1: me if that were to happen. I think it's need one.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you can't assume that, right. I think
Speaker 1: it's need one. It's tied because technically you only have
Speaker 1: one safety on the roster as well, So like well,
Speaker 1: I feel more I feel more confident about figured out.
Speaker 1: I feel more confident about at least getting like Kazy
Speaker 1: and Hooker back in the fold. Then yeah, well if
Speaker 1: Gallar's gone, you don't you know, Okay, you don't think
Speaker 1: they would. I don't know, okay. And and I love
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup. We all love Michael Gallup. But through that
Speaker 1: man a pizza party, you're talking about him not being
Speaker 1: back from his rehab until potentially like after training camp. Like,
Speaker 1: that's not a guy that you can count on to
Speaker 1: be good to go to start your season. Probably, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we can find wide receivers though, but yeah it becomes
Speaker 1: a huge need. Yeah, I Famari's not here, and then
Speaker 1: obviously it depends what you do in free agency, but
Speaker 1: the receiver room at that point in Ceedee Lamb and
Speaker 1: Semi Fioko, that's the room guy. So yeah, you need
Speaker 1: most is such not a fun class to be needing
Speaker 1: a wide receiver clapping, it's not a fun class year
Speaker 1: again or something. It's not a fun class to need
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. One. It's a fun class to need
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. At least you've got a Jeff can
Speaker 1: always get excited about, as Jeff what he thinks about
Speaker 1: everybody being hurt at receiver? Though, do you have to
Speaker 1: evaluate all these receivers, the two Alabama kids, the USC
Speaker 1: people get hurt, don't care? Yeah, is is Drake London
Speaker 1: dealing with an injury? Oh yeah, that flew under my radar. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how is significant? Well that's where he's been. He probably
Speaker 1: be ready for workouts and stuff like that. But there's
Speaker 1: people that're gonna have to look at his I think
Speaker 1: it was an ankle that he was he dealt with.
Speaker 1: But man, that guy you talk about thirteen fourteen targets
Speaker 1: a game, catching eleven of him every single time. That's fun,
Speaker 1: fun tape to watch their course. Yeah, sure is. How
Speaker 1: do we feel about the kid out of Arkansas? I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what, man, that that is one of those
Speaker 1: guys that it's almost like watching. You know, Jeff told
Speaker 1: you a long time ago about Deebo. Yeah, Dennis Ramener. God,
Speaker 1: I just I did it broad us right there. I'm
Speaker 1: very sorry. Treylon Burks is who I'm talking about Arkansas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just see it's heart I like to I just
Speaker 1: want to make sure that even somebody who knows nothing
Speaker 1: about the draft. Yeah, actually forget going. It's just like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, the Arkansas guy Burks. But Burke's the thing.
Speaker 1: With him is and Jeff told you a long time
Speaker 1: ago about Deebo Samuel coming out of South Carolina. This kid,
Speaker 1: they line him up at a lot of different spots.
Speaker 1: They hand him the ball, they give him the jet sweeps,
Speaker 1: they throw him screens, they throw it down the field.
Speaker 1: He's one of the best players at Arkansas. Arkansas ranked
Speaker 1: in the top ten for a long time until they
Speaker 1: went to Georgia, you know, and then had a little
Speaker 1: bit of a bad stretch. But this guy was one
Speaker 1: of the best players in the SEC receiver wise. When
Speaker 1: you talk about all the Alabama kids and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: you watch this, Do you watch this kid from Arkansas
Speaker 1: Burks play. I go, you will be super impressed with
Speaker 1: him and how tough he is. So you don't, Jeff,
Speaker 1: you don't think this would be a good year to
Speaker 1: want a receiver at twenty four. I could take a
Speaker 1: receiver at twenty four. He'll take the Alabama kid, which Williams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would take in order Garrett Wilson at Ohio State
Speaker 1: at number twenty four if I could, Wow, he's your
Speaker 1: number one, uh, I would take Trailing Burke's the Arkansas
Speaker 1: wide receiver at number twenty four. And I would be
Speaker 1: willing to take Jamison Williams the Alabama Speedster at number
Speaker 1: twenty four. So yeah, I got three different guys that
Speaker 1: I could take there, and Garrett Wilson just a brief
Speaker 1: scouting report because he has my wide receiver one. I
Speaker 1: just think the NFL right now, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: different things that are really important at wide receiver, but
Speaker 1: to me, some of the most important are can you separate?
Speaker 1: And what do you do after the catch? And Garrett
Speaker 1: Wilson's just got the explosive movement skills to separate at
Speaker 1: the top of routes and then he's almost punt returner
Speaker 1: ish with enough power that he's hell after the catch too.
Speaker 1: So Garrett Wilson is my wide receiver one and also
Speaker 1: the one I trust the most. Like Trailing Burks, I
Speaker 1: really like Traylon Burks doesn't really separate. Trailing Burks is
Speaker 1: more of screen game and down the field. Was a
Speaker 1: great route runner, right It's more, he's not even good
Speaker 1: at getting himself in position for deep balls. It's seen.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter, he realized because he's a power forward,
Speaker 1: because physicality and athletics. I had a feeling if you
Speaker 1: put him with a really good quarterback, you might see
Speaker 1: a different player. I really do. Yeah, they got an
Speaker 1: offensive tackle playing quarterback there and Arks. Yeah that doesn't help.
Speaker 1: That doesn't help. But I mean just in terms of
Speaker 1: if you compare him to both Ohio State, can okay,
Speaker 1: can I get any love for love love? Chris Football
Speaker 1: looks so easy to that dude. I know he looked crazy.
Speaker 1: He's the smoothest football player like ever. Doesn't give you
Speaker 1: any pause. The fact that the one game that they
Speaker 1: didn't play in Jackson Smith and Jigbo went for four hunds.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say he's the best one. James Jamison
Speaker 1: Williams left Ohio State because he couldn't get on the field.
Speaker 1: They got Wilson and Olave coming out this year, and
Speaker 1: the kid that can't go pro set every Rose Bowl
Speaker 1: record in the world to all. Tell it to the
Speaker 1: Georgian defensive tackles. Georgia might have two defensive tackles go
Speaker 1: in the first round and the best one isn't draft eligible.
Speaker 1: Jaylen Carter's better than next year Jordan Davis already, Yes,
Speaker 1: all right, I will trade both Ohio State receivers and
Speaker 1: both Georgia d tackles for the next Georgia D tack.
Speaker 1: Glad you're learning about this scouting stuff. Yeah, That's that's
Speaker 1: always how it goes. Every time you turn on these games,
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, have a look at the true sophomore.
Speaker 1: Who's that number who's that number nine playing defense? Oh?
Speaker 1: I don't worry. Okay, keep that in mind. All right,
Speaker 1: We're gonna wrap this up with a question from Brian
Speaker 1: with an eye. Um. We we've talked a lot about
Speaker 1: Tyler Linderbaum. He's kind of on that shortlist the Iowa center.
Speaker 1: I know you would draft him. That's That's not the
Speaker 1: question Brian wants to know. Is it a luxury to
Speaker 1: spend a pick like that on a center, given that
Speaker 1: you've already sunk two seasons of starting into Tyler Biotish.
Speaker 1: I guess basically the question is is Beyondish that much
Speaker 1: of a liability that it's worth drafting a replacement that
Speaker 1: highly Because if you draft Tyler Linderbaum, he's starting, like
Speaker 1: he's not gonna sit behind Tyler Beiottish. When you drafted
Speaker 1: Tyler Bottish in the fourth round, late in the fourth round,
Speaker 1: did you expect him to be your long term see,
Speaker 1: And I'm glad you said that because I think I
Speaker 1: think Remington Award winner and Wisconsin coming right after Travis Frederick,
Speaker 1: I think it was unrealistic. Getting getting drafted to this
Speaker 1: team didn't do Tyler any favors because people expect him
Speaker 1: to be Travis and he's not right, he never will be,
Speaker 1: and he well, he was never projected to be or
Speaker 1: he'll be better than Travis. I just don't appreciate the
Speaker 1: doubting over here for this guy, you know, just like
Speaker 1: Tyler person. If anything, I think we're getting Tyler a
Speaker 1: vote of confidence exactly. And he never he was not
Speaker 1: put in a position, I agree, from draft day forward
Speaker 1: to have the right expectations. They never were there because
Speaker 1: immediately he was the guy, and then this year he
Speaker 1: was the only guy because Joe Looney wasn't even on
Speaker 1: the roster, and your next best center as the guy
Speaker 1: that was playing next to him who had never played
Speaker 1: center in his life, and that was Connor Williams, who's
Speaker 1: not on the team any longer. So now it's just Tyler,
Speaker 1: be honest. So I don't think it's a luxury. I
Speaker 1: think it's a pretty hard need. If you have a
Speaker 1: chance at Linderbomb, you pick him because when you don't
Speaker 1: pick the best player, eventually you look back and be like,
Speaker 1: what are we stupid? Yeah, like if you at twenty
Speaker 1: four had him available and you pick a different position
Speaker 1: that you don't think is as good a player, but
Speaker 1: it's like him Wilson, but we need it more under Bamba. Um,
Speaker 1: even if what if Cooper's not here? Just go way
Speaker 1: off the rails, bam, because otherwise you look back at
Speaker 1: it and you have massive regrets because you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: we did correctly identify that that guy was going to
Speaker 1: play a bunch of Pro Bowls, but we got a
Speaker 1: decent starting receiver because we quote needed it. Screw that.
Speaker 1: Pick the player that's the best player and you won't
Speaker 1: regret the pick. Is there a player that at twenty
Speaker 1: four that would take you off Linder bamb You tried
Speaker 1: to do this to him a week or so. I
Speaker 1: think I'm just curious. I'm just curious, Yeah, Aiden Hutchinson, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what that was his answer a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Cavon Thibodeau, maybe Evan Neil, maybe Equanu. The other thing
Speaker 1: that makes locked in, Yeah, the thing that makes me
Speaker 1: so locked in on Linder bamb Is, it's him perfect,
Speaker 1: and then it's a bunch of guards. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: it's like Donovan West is my next highest graded center.
Speaker 1: Well that's the even have you seen I've seen Alec
Speaker 1: Windstrom from Boston College. I have watched and they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: do you want us to help you make some money
Speaker 1: if you can do this? Well, you like those Boston
Speaker 1: College interiors. I'll tell you what, Boston College has put
Speaker 1: a lot of offensive linemen in this league. Not wrong,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's a fair question. Like I
Speaker 1: I don't think Tyler is as bad as people give
Speaker 1: him credit for. But I do think Linder Bomb seems
Speaker 1: to be good enough that if you have that opportunity
Speaker 1: the least the least amount of holes in a player
Speaker 1: Lindon Bomb, maybe yes, in the first round or just
Speaker 1: in the Cowboys range of in the whole first round. Geez, yes,
Speaker 1: would you say the lack of weight then, right, doesn't
Speaker 1: bother me? Kind of bothers me. I'm beyond under three hundred. Yeah,
Speaker 1: A lot of people think, but I don't think there's
Speaker 1: twelve starting centers in the league that are under this team.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't this team won a Super Bowl with a research
Speaker 1: step basketball play. Yeah. Jason Kelsey was two eighty when
Speaker 1: he came in the league. Oh yeah, all right, give
Speaker 1: me better, Kelsey. I feel a lot better. All right,
Speaker 1: thanks guys. All right, I mean we got to four questions.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not it's not our best, but it's
Speaker 1: not our worst. We're going to get to ten. We
Speaker 1: will try to improve. I just made you write down.
Speaker 1: I like to have margin for er. I wrote down eight.
Speaker 1: We got to four. It's fine. You can answer them Thursday.
Speaker 1: A lot better than writing down three. When we come
Speaker 1: you can get to four. When we come back from
Speaker 1: this break, we will dive back into the Senior Bowl.
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Speaker 1: Oh did you? Yeah? Right, Well at least he was
Speaker 1: at work today and not somewhere a little more nefarious. Yeah,
Speaker 1: get rowdy for their wedding as a ring. Yeah, dude, No,
Speaker 1: I want rowdy at the crawfish boil on. Yeah all right,
Speaker 1: imagine meating. No, you'd have to take off the gloves.
Speaker 1: I want him to eat it with the hands on.
Speaker 1: I wish like put it in the smiley. We got
Speaker 1: photo op for all occasions. We got an auction off.
Speaker 1: We got an auction off, like a tape session with
Speaker 1: you and rowdy. No, well, if Rowdy wants to come,
Speaker 1: that's fine. But I just wish. I wish our listeners
Speaker 1: could have the opportunity to watch tape with Brian because
Speaker 1: he'll tell you. He'll tell you all about a guy's
Speaker 1: footwork and then simultaneously be like, oh my god, look
Speaker 1: at the mascot. Look, yeah that's Corso one was the best.
Speaker 1: I was watching tape the other day and I took
Speaker 1: a screenshot of it. It was Georgia, and he was right,
Speaker 1: there is Georgia Clemson the first game season opener, and
Speaker 1: I clicked it I said, Jeff Corso. Corso, He'll just
Speaker 1: he'll be like, oh my god, the ball girl got
Speaker 1: knocked into the kicking net. There was a there was
Speaker 1: a Florida State ball boys. The Florida stated lightning. That's
Speaker 1: what it was. Yeah, all right, the thing I mean,
Speaker 1: Brian or Jeff, you brought it up. Like the thing
Speaker 1: I love about this show is I had a whole
Speaker 1: third segment planned, but we talked about so few Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl prospects that I feel like we should get that
Speaker 1: out of the way while in the right fresh doing
Speaker 1: the right thing. All right, So what we covered? What
Speaker 1: we covered? Defensive line, a little bit, offensive line, quarterback?
Speaker 1: What else from the Senior Bowl? Who else caught your eye?
Speaker 1: I want I wanted you to talk about Jalen Petrie
Speaker 1: since you were so curious about this coverage. Okay, Ryan's
Speaker 1: got Petree opinion that I'm gonna let him deliver. But
Speaker 1: I'll tell you when I was watching, Jalen Petrie is
Speaker 1: a Baylor safety. He'll line up as kind of their nickel,
Speaker 1: but he'll rush off the edge a bunch. He plays
Speaker 1: forward a ton, They play a bunch of zone. But
Speaker 1: you can tell watching tape that Jalen Petrie is the
Speaker 1: ringleader of that defense, and he sets a tone that
Speaker 1: is unreal. Everyone on that Baylor defense wants to hurt you, everyone,
Speaker 1: and it starts with him, I miss you, Dave Randa
Speaker 1: and so exactly. So I'm in my notes there and
Speaker 1: I'm like, gosh, I just I have no clue if
Speaker 1: this dude can cover none because he's just kind of
Speaker 1: floating out there in his zones and you can tell
Speaker 1: he's a smart player. And then the Senior Bowl stuff.
Speaker 1: Every time that I saw, and you guys would have
Speaker 1: seen more than I did, but everything I saw on TV,
Speaker 1: it was like, Oh, this dude's blanketing people. If Jalen
Speaker 1: Petrie is a good cover guy, Jalen Petrie's a top
Speaker 1: fifty pick, and so like, I think Jaalen Petrie helped
Speaker 1: himself a ton and became a name that I'm now
Speaker 1: intrigued by. If you could get to the Cowboy's second
Speaker 1: round pick, ye, I'll tell you what, man, man eighty
Speaker 1: eight years figured out how to scout Brian. Come on,
Speaker 1: damn it, that is awesome. You're eight got it. I'm tired.
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear that. I want to hear
Speaker 1: you like mf his opinion, Like this is Tyron Matthew
Speaker 1: whoa okay, well that's a first round This is when
Speaker 1: Tyron was like pick sixty eight. Yeah, but if you
Speaker 1: know he is no, no, this is this is this
Speaker 1: is Tyren Matthew. Is I am I am listening? Yeah,
Speaker 1: this guy is a hybrid linebacker safety. He's sneaky. I
Speaker 1: mean he'll shoot gaps. I mean he has a you
Speaker 1: talk about a high football IQ, this kid right here
Speaker 1: has it. Could you watch him play? He communicates. It's
Speaker 1: like he's talking to the corner. He's down low on
Speaker 1: the right side of the formation and he's talking to
Speaker 1: the left corner about a crosser. You could tell he's
Speaker 1: like pointing and he's pointing on the other side of
Speaker 1: the field like this guy's gonna drag this thing. Get ready,
Speaker 1: you know. And so I mean the aware, the instincts,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's you know, he could play the ball.
Speaker 1: I mean you're right about the coverage stuff. I mean
Speaker 1: you were kind of thinking, oh, well, you know, how
Speaker 1: is he going to play? But the quickness, the change
Speaker 1: of direction. I'm serious, I will I will if if
Speaker 1: you told me I could draft a kid that like
Speaker 1: you pet cat kids and stuff. This is a kid
Speaker 1: right here. He loves to play football and he's really
Speaker 1: really good at it. You know what's exciting for me
Speaker 1: about that is I actually have faith that this staff
Speaker 1: might draft a guy like that well because for so
Speaker 1: many years, for so many years, that type of player
Speaker 1: felt like he was off the table. Here. I have
Speaker 1: a vivid memory somebody, somebody safeties as a linebacker exactly.
Speaker 1: That's so something. Whatever year he was drafted, Remember how
Speaker 1: much we loved Buddha Baker. Sure, we loved that guy.
Speaker 1: And what I kept hearing from that side of the
Speaker 1: building was where do you play him? Yeah? And I
Speaker 1: just remember being like, keep playing him on the field.
Speaker 1: I don't care. It's one of the eleven. It's one
Speaker 1: of the eleven that go out there and try and
Speaker 1: make play. And I feel I have confidence that dan
Speaker 1: Quinn might actually do that too, especially with the versatility
Speaker 1: that he has. Now, this is fun because this is
Speaker 1: my third year scouting with you guys, right and I
Speaker 1: feel like this might be one of those guys that
Speaker 1: I disagree on leheartedly coming from a Baylor fan. That's
Speaker 1: the thing is, I've been known to ride for the
Speaker 1: guys that I know play well for my team, right,
Speaker 1: I mean go back to Jayalen Darden last year with
Speaker 1: North Texas, and I mean some of the guys early on.
Speaker 1: I agree with you in terms of the physicality and
Speaker 1: the versatility. With Jayleen Petre, He's gonna go all over
Speaker 1: the place. He's gonna play anywhere. He's a physical player
Speaker 1: when he wants to play. He takes a lot of
Speaker 1: plays off for me, he brother in law's these guys.
Speaker 1: He takes a lot of plays off. He doesn't play
Speaker 1: to the whistle. Ultimately, one of the things with him
Speaker 1: that I kind of saw as the Baylor side of
Speaker 1: things is once he got the reputation as being the
Speaker 1: ring leader, he wasn't the ring leader anymore. It was
Speaker 1: Terrell Bernard, the linebacker, who was also a Senior Bowl guy.
Speaker 1: By the way. It was those two guys that were
Speaker 1: kind of trading places in the big games. Petrie wanted
Speaker 1: to step up and play in the Iowa States, in
Speaker 1: the Kansas States games, in the Oklahoma State the first
Speaker 1: one not necessarily the second one in the Big Twelve
Speaker 1: championship game. He was just kind of there. He wasn't
Speaker 1: a impact player. I still think he's a second round talent.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's going to fall out of the
Speaker 1: second and that you shouldn't take him on day two.
Speaker 1: And if he doesn't fall to you, or if he
Speaker 1: does fall to you a fifty eight, that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: you shouldn't take him. He's a good player, but I
Speaker 1: do have my reserves about him, even as a guy
Speaker 1: who's watched him play for four years. Is ultimately ultimately
Speaker 1: my case. I don't think I would put him as
Speaker 1: high regard as a Tyran Matthew at that remark or
Speaker 1: at that point, but I do like the idea behind
Speaker 1: his versatility and what he could do on a defense.
Speaker 1: I like when Brian said better, it got me, got
Speaker 1: me more excited, just brought you right back down. Kyle
Speaker 1: said better. I like. I like a little bit a
Speaker 1: little disagreement hate. I did a little hate and going
Speaker 1: one know about his own guy, made him said he
Speaker 1: doesn't like his own guy. Petrie hates football. I wrote
Speaker 1: that down, so I'll have that. I don't know that
Speaker 1: he hates football, but he getting he only would you
Speaker 1: draft a guy in the second round you hate that
Speaker 1: hates football? No, Okay, then then then you're analysis, then
Speaker 1: you should not have him in the second round. Giddy. No, No,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's true. If you don't think that
Speaker 1: the guy can if you don't think the guy can
Speaker 1: make plays, or it takes plays off or is lazy
Speaker 1: and all that, don't put him in the second round.
Speaker 1: Let me say it this way then, chie Richie Grant
Speaker 1: last year UCF. Yeah, who ended up going two picks
Speaker 1: three picks before the Cowboys were on the board and
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy slammed the table because of it. That that
Speaker 1: guy I would be doing backflips over instead of Petrie. Okay,
Speaker 1: at the same spot. But I'm just I'm just saying, though,
Speaker 1: if you're if you're going to evaluate these guys, then
Speaker 1: don't don't have him as one of the top fifty players. Sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, to me if if you came
Speaker 1: out I would have more respect for you if you
Speaker 1: came out and said that he was I don't see
Speaker 1: this guy's the second round player. I understand it that
Speaker 1: if you disagree with him about the Tyron Matthews, and
Speaker 1: that's fine. I don't have a problem with that, but
Speaker 1: don't tell me all those things. And then when I
Speaker 1: get with you in a discussion that you still have
Speaker 1: him in the second round. I have that. That's that's
Speaker 1: that to me does nothing for me. I appreciate, I
Speaker 1: appreciate the fact that you are passionate about the player,
Speaker 1: that you've seen the player, that you don't think he
Speaker 1: could do that. But if you say, hey, this guy's
Speaker 1: a fourth, fifth round guy, then I'm like, okay, he's
Speaker 1: committed to that, which you don't sound committed to the guy.
Speaker 1: I want him a back half, second round guy. I
Speaker 1: think that you know you you you killed the kid.
Speaker 1: You didn't think? You said he doesn't he doesn't play
Speaker 1: all the time. I want to divorce this. Did he did?
Speaker 1: He say he didn't play off? The man? I'm spectating,
Speaker 1: I got no, no, I'm asking a question of the
Speaker 1: plays off? So what did the other seventies? That's outside
Speaker 1: of the topic. So I want to then put him
Speaker 1: there before we kill this guy too quickly, who none
Speaker 1: of us have ever met. Not specific to Petrie, but
Speaker 1: you as a scout, if you get that vibe about
Speaker 1: a guy, how much does that ding him? He doesn't?
Speaker 1: Does he doesn't like foot? If he takes plays off
Speaker 1: or if his tape is inconsistent. Like if he's literally
Speaker 1: got the talent, yeah, but I mean the thing he's
Speaker 1: got inconsistent tape. If you watch the tape and he's
Speaker 1: not making plays, and he's standing around, and he's not
Speaker 1: in the pile, and he's not doing all those things,
Speaker 1: you put him where you think, Okay, it's it's not
Speaker 1: about the talent. You could say all the things you want,
Speaker 1: and about the talent, you're like, hey, this guy can run,
Speaker 1: he at times is physical. You got to put him
Speaker 1: if he's not making plays. See the thing about the
Speaker 1: reason I would say that this guy is Tyrn Matthews
Speaker 1: because he does make plays. You know, he is in piles.
Speaker 1: He isn't he sees him a different way, that's cool,
Speaker 1: But mean to me, the thing about it is, I
Speaker 1: look at this. If he's not doing those things, this
Speaker 1: guy loves football. I could tell he loves football the
Speaker 1: way he plays. Now, if he sees him a different way,
Speaker 1: that's cool. You know, I'm here for this, But that
Speaker 1: that if if I see a guy that has all
Speaker 1: the talent in the world that doesn't love football. We
Speaker 1: had a guy that was a tackle way back in
Speaker 1: the day named Ben Coleman, to play it at wake Forest.
Speaker 1: Ben Coleman was at Jacksonville with us. Ben Coleman only
Speaker 1: cared about making money to start the cold Stone Creamery
Speaker 1: ice cream. That's the only thing he cared about. He
Speaker 1: didn't care about He just played football to do that.
Speaker 1: He was a super super talented player. But you know,
Speaker 1: you knew in your heart, you're like, this guy doesn't
Speaker 1: care about football, So put him where you think that
Speaker 1: like that he's like where he if he if you
Speaker 1: feel like he's not that type of a player, that
Speaker 1: he really is not going to be a great fit
Speaker 1: for you and not play hard all the time, you
Speaker 1: gotta put him down there. And if he ends up
Speaker 1: being an All Pro and all that, then that's that's fine.
Speaker 1: When you say down there, fourth round, like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I had the guy in the top fifty. Yeah, my
Speaker 1: friend here does not. Well, he said he did, but
Speaker 1: then he's crawfish on there right now, said there's a chance,
Speaker 1: and to it, I am. I think he's outside the
Speaker 1: top sixty. I think he's a bottom half second round player. Okay,
Speaker 1: And that's kind of where it is. If he described him,
Speaker 1: but you described him as a guy that nobody should want.
Speaker 1: I described him as a guy that wasn't Tyron Matthew.
Speaker 1: That's ultimately my decision making there. I didn't want to
Speaker 1: kill the guy as he doesn't love football. I just
Speaker 1: don't think he plays up to his ceiling. He has
Speaker 1: a high ceiling. He has that versatility, the athleticism, the
Speaker 1: hitting ability. He comes up and plugs the run I have,
Speaker 1: will come down, lay ahead at the line of shirtmage
Speaker 1: and takes great angles to the football, which he does
Speaker 1: on tape every single time. However, when he decides to
Speaker 1: take a play off, he sits there, kind of hangs out,
Speaker 1: DAPs up the guy on the other line of scrimmage,
Speaker 1: and it's it's not necessarily plays that are like run,
Speaker 1: plays of the opposite direction. Fourth round, No, okay, early,
Speaker 1: I mean late second, early third. I'm excited. I'm taking
Speaker 1: notes when we disagree about players because to this point,
Speaker 1: if he mostly, if he's if he's a bust, I'll
Speaker 1: be the first one to admit it. I mean, I
Speaker 1: do I think this. I think this kid's got some
Speaker 1: special irony. I really do the irony, Like we did
Speaker 1: this extra segment to get two more players, and we've
Speaker 1: gotten from the one. What do you got, Brian, give
Speaker 1: me give me a guy who would you like? Well, no,
Speaker 1: go ahead, I know I'm asking you what for another
Speaker 1: guy from the Senior Bowl that you thought was that
Speaker 1: you always impressive or you like their tape. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what. To me, I was. I was on board
Speaker 1: because we were just talking about this kid, and I
Speaker 1: like what he did to finish out the game with
Speaker 1: the peatree thing and all that. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: that's what Jeff was talking about with you saw the
Speaker 1: cover skills, you know, those were the things that I
Speaker 1: think to me in the way that he was able
Speaker 1: to make the last play in the game, you know,
Speaker 1: the interception to seal this thing up, I think that
Speaker 1: was I think that's something you have to be happy about.
Speaker 1: I'll steal Brian's time and give you another guy. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Jayalen Toilbert, South Alabama wide receiver, Yeah about him. I
Speaker 1: just saw a little bit of the stuff he was
Speaker 1: doing at the Senior Bowl and it was about the
Speaker 1: same time. I want say I saw him in one
Speaker 1: practice and then watched his tape that night. Jaylen Tilbert,
Speaker 1: South Alabama receiver is a really good player. Obviously, the
Speaker 1: level of competition isn't great for a lot of the
Speaker 1: games that he played, but he played Tennessee too, and
Speaker 1: he hung up like seven for a buck fifteen a touchdown,
Speaker 1: And it's nuance. It's knowing how to play wide receiver
Speaker 1: where you can sort of change speeds in a route.
Speaker 1: You can kind of manipulate where is a corner and
Speaker 1: where do you think I'm going and where am I
Speaker 1: going to end up? So Jaylen Tilbert South Alabama, I
Speaker 1: think is a really well rounded good player that is
Speaker 1: potentially top fifty, top sixty pick. That's a South Alabama
Speaker 1: wide receiver that I think that highly of. You're not
Speaker 1: the first person I've heard say that, And it's so
Speaker 1: easy to evaluate receivers at these events, but I did
Speaker 1: think that there were a lot of guys that stood out.
Speaker 1: I mentioned him in the break and again, like I'll
Speaker 1: just be selfish and bring up a guy that I
Speaker 1: really liked, but Stan Watson out of North Dakota State.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's easy to fall in love with a
Speaker 1: big receiver, but I just like his skill set. I
Speaker 1: like his physicality. He's versatile, like he can play in
Speaker 1: the slot at six to four, which is fantastic, especially
Speaker 1: as a team that might be looking for a guy
Speaker 1: that can do stuff like that. I thought he was
Speaker 1: really impressive. Made a great diving catch in the game
Speaker 1: on Saturday afternoon. Uh. It's ironic because I think we
Speaker 1: know the Cowboys don't like these small school guys. I
Speaker 1: mean they'll they'll tell you they do, but they never
Speaker 1: draft him. There are a lot of small school guys
Speaker 1: down there that I really liked, Like, yeah, let me
Speaker 1: ask you this and practice. Did the kid Abraham Smith
Speaker 1: from Baylor had a really good game? Did you notice
Speaker 1: him at all a practice during the week to do
Speaker 1: with you? So he just showed up as a gamer,
Speaker 1: then is what happened to him? Yeah? How is he
Speaker 1: as a player? Then? I mean how is he as
Speaker 1: a as a running back? This was his first year
Speaker 1: as a running back? Oh? Really? Ye had sixteen hundred yards.
Speaker 1: He was a linebacker his first three years of Baylor
Speaker 1: that switched to running back. Had sixteen hundred yards. Was
Speaker 1: the best running back on the team. Very physically. Yeah,
Speaker 1: bowling just as I knew. You would sit just sit
Speaker 1: over there and be quiet. And he was not stand
Speaker 1: out in terms of the practices. I thought DeVante Price
Speaker 1: from fi you had a better week of practice. Uh
Speaker 1: my top running back, bring up your Florida guy. Yeah
Speaker 1: it was. Uh was Damian Pierce. Okay, I thought he
Speaker 1: had the best week out of anybody as in terms
Speaker 1: of a tailback. But I like Abram Smith a lot.
Speaker 1: He's good runners, amazing. He showed up if you watched
Speaker 1: the game, though. He showed up in the game the
Speaker 1: way he carried the ball and stuff, like I thought.
Speaker 1: I mean, if there's a position that's harder to evaluate
Speaker 1: than not that it's hard to evaluate evaluate receiver, but
Speaker 1: it's just easy to see them stand out. Yeah, Rashad
Speaker 1: White out of Arizona State, every time he got the
Speaker 1: ball in practice, he jumped out to me, he's a
Speaker 1: he's a big boy. It's so hard because there's so
Speaker 1: many rotations and you're you're trying to evaluate the offensive line.
Speaker 1: But even against you in front, you do this enough,
Speaker 1: you can kind of tell even it's a running back,
Speaker 1: but even even in a non contact setting, you can tell, like, okay,
Speaker 1: that run would have popped even even if it was contact.
Speaker 1: And it felt like Pierce and Arizona State, White had
Speaker 1: a lot of those where I was like, holy crap,
Speaker 1: he's passed the safety before anybody can even get a
Speaker 1: hand on him. So he's a long runner like big strides.
Speaker 1: I mean he runs he runs tall too, like he's
Speaker 1: got a very straight up stature. All Right, we sort
Speaker 1: of covered some more ground on the Senior Bowl. But hey,
Speaker 1: we got first fight. We got nine oh, Jalen Petrie.
Speaker 1: Jalen Petrie is circled in the notes not not not
Speaker 1: a fight. But I'm just I'm glad We've got some
Speaker 1: guys we can look back on and say, hey, you
Speaker 1: were really right about that guy, or probably you're an idiot.
Speaker 1: All Right, guys, we got plenty more weeks to sort
Speaker 1: this out. We got plenty more Senior Bowl and non
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl guys to get to. We will see you Thursday.
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