WEBVTT - Episode 37: Derek Deminsky 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:01.160 The guys from paying. 0:00:01.320 --> 0:00:03.880 They've kind of showed me how much the equipment matters. 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:06.000 I just love that I can hit any shot. I 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:06.600 kind of want. 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:08.520 We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:10.640 what goes on here to help golfers play better golf. 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:14.480 Welcome back to the Ping Proving Grounds podcast. I'm Shane Bacon. 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:18.520 That is Marty Jertson, my man in somewhat matching purple? 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:20.919 Is that fair to say? Derek Dominski joins us. Now, 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:21.759 how are you doing, buddy? 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:22.239 I'm great? 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:25.000 How are you doing great? Excited for this podcast? We 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:26.599 mean it to have you on for a bit. I 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:28.720 know you guys have known each other for a long 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:32.000 long time. I've been following you for a good amount 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:33.519 of time on social media, but as we know, its 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:36.120 social media, I've never met you in human form till today. 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:39.159 It's felt like we've played a few rounds, gone out 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:41.120 a few times, but it's beneficial today. 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:44.600 Here we go, Marty, I would like you to start 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:47.040 the pod by giving us a breakdown of Derek's golf 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:49.280 game start to finish. I know you've seen it up 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:50.360 close over the years. 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:55.840 Off the tee. He's got a fade every single time, 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:59.720 one hundred percent of the time, reliable, reliable with the 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:04.680 metal iron game is solid and trending. Shipping needs improvement 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:06.840 or what shipping is this little weak spot? But his 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:09.399 ball striking so good he hardly ever needs it on 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:09.839 the course. 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:13.600 Is it is it weird to go? 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:14.040 Well? 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:17.320 Is it weird to go from like a good player 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:20.679 that you know, lives in Arizona and competes to becoming 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:23.080 this like internet guy that people know of because of 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:25.760 their short game. What has that been like to see 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:27.160 random people come up to you and talk to you 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:29.360 about chipping and pitching at an airport or something. 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:33.280 Yeah, so it hasn't come to that, I guess, thankfully. 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:35.520 But I've known Marty for a long time. We've become 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:38.440 good friends. He's roped me into ping, which is what 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:40.160 I wanted the whole time. I was like, oh no, 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:42.240 don't don't help me out with paying I can lead 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:43.480 me to this, no please now. 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:46.240 But I'm just a golf junkie. 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:48.680 So that's I remember the first time we met was 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:52.760 at the Gallery North Course and it was I think 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:54.800 for the PPC or so, and you were just out 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:57.160 there grinding. It's super hot. Marty's out there on the 0:01:57.160 --> 0:01:59.000 back of the range. I'm like, you know, I know 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:01.120 he works with paying. I want to introduce myself. I've 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:03.400 seen him on TV. He's like, you know, major championship guy, 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:07.200 and then we start talking like mac O Grady and 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:09.320 he's just I'm like, this is my guy right here, 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:11.360 and I think you played well the next day? Yeah 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:15.799 I did not, but we had great times. And here 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:16.280 we are now. 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:20.120 Yeah, at the bird, Marty, this is an unbelievable If 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:22.040 you're watching this on YouTube, by the way, you've looked 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:24.520 behind us and you see why they issue teams are 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:27.000 as good as they are. I mean, I have been 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:28.680 dreaming of the moment I get to go out there 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:30.520 and hit some pitch shots here in a little bit. 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:33.200 This is the real deal. So shout out to ASU 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:35.560 for letting us use this and Papa go a place. 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:37.200 I played a lot of golf, Marty, you played a. 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:37.680 Lot of golf. 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:40.400 Annoyingly, you take like six months off of golf and 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:42.519 then play in the Papago Monday game and shoot like 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:43.079 sixty five. 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:46.280 I'm gone of yourmo It is fun. I you know, 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:48.800 I get Mondays off with the day job, so you know, 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:51.720 New Year's Memorial Day, Labor Day, my three days. I 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:53.079 played the Monday Skins game here. 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:56.360 It's it's is it is it the best Skins game 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:57.080 in it in Phoenix. 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:59.560 It's still and it's the I think it's the longest standing. 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:02.960 It's been going on for a long time. So yeah, 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:04.320 it is fun, it's reliable. 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:06.200 Derek. Have you spent a lot of time in Phoenix 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:06.840 playing golf? 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:07.560 Yeah? 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:09.840 I come up here quite a bit, some for instruction, 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:13.520 but we both play and essentially every Southwest Section event, 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:16.080 so I'm up here quite a bit. And when I 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:18.720 can team with this guy, I'm not saying we've gone undefeated, 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:21.880 but the record books would show that. So it's a 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:23.959 lot of fun playing with a tour player and I 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:27.080 just ride them and make a few chips and punts. 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:29.960 Can you just kind of walk us through your journey 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:31.880 to this point, because again, I mean, you've got a 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:33.560 great social media following. It's a lot of fun to 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:37.120 kind of follow what you do. I learned stuff from 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:39.080 your social media, which is something I don't think. I 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:40.960 say a lot about a lot of social media's out there, 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:44.040 but you know, I mean you've kind of established yourself 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:47.080 as this thing online and Now, obviously you've got a 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:49.040 great relationship with Ping, So can you just kind of 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:51.480 walk us through your journey through golf at this point? 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:54.000 Yeah, for sure. So I grew up in Minnesota. It's 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:56.680 where I'm born and raised. Family's there, and I grew 0:03:56.720 --> 0:04:00.120 up with a golfing family. My brother, my dad, my 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:03.320 mom all played and we grew up in Elkriver, Minnesota. 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:07.160 The team was extremely competitive, so we'd have like a 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:09.000 hundred kids try out. 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:10.200 For the golf in Minnesota. 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:14.120 Yeah, so if you couldn't shoot like upper seventies, you 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:15.120 couldn't make varsity. 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:17.359 Like the JV team was shooting like low eighties. 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:20.880 So after always being the shortest hid in basketball, even 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:24.040 though I loved it, after skateboarding and then not really 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:30.479 being that successful, went into golf and started to shoot 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:33.800 kind of low nineties, upper eighties. This is about in 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:36.280 the eighth grade when I got the first golf book 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:38.640 I ever got in eighth grade, the DELV the dath 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:41.960 Pels Short Game Bible. So not a quick read. It 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:44.080 was more of a more of a Bible than maybe 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:45.240 the Bible, I guess you could say. 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:46.880 But I got really. 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:48.640 Into it and what I found is, you know, it 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:52.920 wasn't the biggest guy besides my looks now, so I 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:55.520 didn't hit it that far, and I knew I had 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:59.279 to find a way to score better. So reading that 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:02.480 book and getting in short game and then really seeing 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:04.839 for me, we would play these nine hoole matches and 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:08.040 I would miss every green and sometimes still do, but 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:09.839 I would I could get up and down nine times 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:11.680 to shoot like even parts is incredible. 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:13.760 It was kind of the short game guy a. 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:16.600 Little bit then, so it's always had a special place 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:20.040 in my heart. Got into the golf business, golf industry, 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:24.000 and then as I started teaching again, I teach all areas, 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:26.599 but short game definitely has a special place, and that's 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:29.240 kind of why it is so special to me. 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:32.320 I guess, Derek, what about your You know, some of 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:34.760 the funnest things is to watch it in person, and 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:39.279 I've experienced this, others have seen online. What is your 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:43.480 fa When did your fascination begin with spinning the ball? 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:46.240 One of the things that you can do that I 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:50.200 were still trying to figure out, quite frankly, is how 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:55.120 much you can spin some certain shots, especially very shots 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:57.400 that fly very short. Yeah, which is a hard thing 0:05:57.400 --> 0:05:59.799 to do. I can outspin you with a full gap wedge, 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:03.239 but I can't do it with some of these shots 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:06.120 you hit around the green. When did your fascination with 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:06.719 spin begin. 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:09.839 Yeah, that's interesting, I think, you know, like back in 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:13.159 the day. I remember it was all you'd see it 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:14.520 on TV, and that was kind of back in the 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:17.200 late nineties when when they were playing like you know. 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:19.279 The Ballatta balls. Oh, I want to do that on 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:19.840 a full swing. 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:22.400 Even so, I got my snake eyes wedge, and you know, 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:25.039 I looked for that titleist DT spin ball. It said 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:27.360 DT Spin so you know it had to spot. It's 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:28.960 in the name, right, So then you know, it's like 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:31.120 ninety yards out. We find a day it's like blowing 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:33.159 thirty into me and I'm like, man, I'm just gonna 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:34.520 I want to spin this so bad. 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:37.080 So we kind of like explore that way. 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:40.479 Never really did anything with it, And then as I 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:42.440 started to kind of teaching it in a short game, 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:45.239 I just started to kind of hit some shots because 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:47.480 I really used to not spin the ball. So it's 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:50.240 not like I've always just been the spin guy. I 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:52.080 was kind of grew up in that. Dave Pel's somewhat 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:55.560 Phil Mickelson hingein hold, not that that can't spin it, 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:57.839 but to kind of use my hands like I currently do. 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:00.960 Was kind of this process where I started hitting some shots. 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:07.239 I recorded a video that's on my website maybe eight. 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:09.720 Years ago or so, and I could kind of make 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:11.800 it stop and I was like, oh, this is so 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:13.200 so cool. 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:17.600 But then after that, really what made it take off 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:20.840 was when I saw Tigers shot at the valspar. There 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:24.000 was this video that went viral online and it was 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:27.440 Tiger at about thirty yards out hits this high shot. 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:29.440 It's like, okay, cool, like it's going to be hind stop, 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:32.800 but it like checks and spins right in back and. 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:35.120 I was like, no way, this is crazy. 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:38.800 So I reach out to a ton of people and 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:40.800 a lot of them were like, oh, it's easy, you 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:42.000 just do this, and we. 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:44.160 Are you like emailing people calling people. 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:46.760 Social media at this point, right, So social media I 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:49.160 probably started in maybe ten years ago or just just 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:53.080 short of up and that's where the only one person 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:57.239 took me seriously, Chris Como. So then at that point 0:07:57.280 --> 0:07:59.880 in twenty twenty is when we kind of had this 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:03.080 back and forth talking about this shot, and then I 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:07.160 just took it on as a challenge to really just 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:10.920 see what there was, and that's it'd be waking up 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:13.200 in the middle of the night trying stuff like all 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:17.120 crazy golfers do. And at some point it kind of 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:19.160 worked out and I'm sitting on country. 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:19.520 With the guys. 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:22.800 So Derek, this is the shot Tiger hit. He hit 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:25.360 and he's in the gallery, right, Is that the one 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:25.760 they know? 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:27.240 So the first one was. 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:31.000 At the Vallisbourgna practice around I think when he finished 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:35.560 second to maybe Paul Casey, yeah, I think. And then 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:37.360 the one I think you're referring to, he hit another 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:39.240 one like in the Zozo. I think it might've even 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:40.839 been before he won, But. 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:41.720 It's in the Zozo. 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:44.439 He's putting on this clinic and you could probably YouTube 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:45.520 this is Zozo clinic. 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:47.160 I mean, this is super nerdy. I think I watched 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:48.120 this shot yesterday just. 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:50.760 In all these like oohs and ahs, like he's fighting 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:52.960 all these shots. But the first shot he hit, he 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:57.560 taps this ball out there fifteen yards, brings a ball 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:00.439 and hits this high shot that spins, spins like all 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:04.160 like hits the ball and everyone's like whoa, and it 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:05.520 just sounds incredible. 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:07.840 So you mentioned Tiger a couple of times. Who are 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:09.480 your kind of spin idols if you will? 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:11.000 Yees, So Tiger Woods is number one. 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:15.360 When I do my shots, I use the bridge Stone ball, 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:17.240 Tiger's ball, but it has to be the one that 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:19.199 says Tiger on it where he's on the cover, because 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:22.280 it just motivates me. I guess, so I would say 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:23.839 he's number I would say he's number one. 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:25.760 You throw the ball back to your assistant if they 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:27.719 give you a non Tiger ball, just give you the 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:28.200 right ball. 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:28.760 What are you doing? 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:30.600 I tape up my fingers. 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:34.040 No, I don't, but I use that ball and it 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.200 doesn't make a lot of sense, but that ball is, like, 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:39.079 you know, the spinniest ball. And Marty's helped me as 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:41.679 well as Eric and all of ping. Right, So I 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:44.400 think that's kind of why we're such a great partnership 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:48.880 as well, is we have these questions that you, Eric, 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:51.440 the whole staff are actually interested in. Right when I 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:53.560 reached out to all these people, they're like, oh, it's 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:54.120 just easy. 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:55.760 He plays this and he does this. 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:57.520 And I reach out to a lot of great, shortky 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:00.160 people even and they kind of dismissed it. I'm like, no, 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:05.439 I think there's something here, yeah, and Coma was like, let's. 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:08.040 Go, let's have a combo. Yeah, all right, So Tiger's one. 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:09.800 Who else do you have on your list of the 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:12.000 maybe not even the people you look up to in 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:15.480 terms of spin, but like modern day golfers that you're 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:18.120 impressed by with the way they can kind of manipulate 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:19.680 spin and loft and things like that. 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:24.000 Geezus, just a ton of players, right, So I would 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:28.040 say to some amount like Tiger's protege, like Justin Thomas, 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:31.000 just and any of the shots, right. 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:32.880 The one that joking Neeman hit. 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:35.160 My buddy Matt Everie was on the call and he 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:37.240 was like, whoa you know, I think you might have 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:38.560 been on that live with them. 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:40.280 JT. 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:44.000 It's funny because I'm a huge fan of like Steve Stricker, 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:45.600 who kind of does some of the opposite stuff. 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:47.800 He can still spin it, yeah, but he's like a 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:49.040 short game idol. 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:52.120 Just all these you know, as I've taught and started 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:55.000 to learn maybe why certain players can do things and 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:57.640 really started to understand more than just a model, but. 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:01.360 Like, why does Steve stricker stuff work? Why does Sergio Garcia' 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:04.679 stuff work? Why does these certain shots work. It's just 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:05.880 kind of helped me, I guess overall. 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:08.720 So it's it's almost more about studying process than player. 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:11.000 It's almost more like how are they able to do X, 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:11.440 Y and Z. 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:14.680 Yeah, I think that's where I've gotten to where I am. 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:18.160 It's it's learning and I've had some great resources, but 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.080 also just seeing like why does Luke Donald do this? 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:24.199 Why does a Brett Rumford do this? Why does Steve 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:26.400 Stricker move this way? Why does certain people who do 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:29.000 certain things, you know, have certain body movements? And then 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:32.640 what are they trying to accomplish? So it's it's it's 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:35.800 an interesting puzzle that I just I just love so much. 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:38.160 Derek. One of the things I think I admire about 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:40.920 you is is you know you talked about Stricker chipping 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:44.600 with a certain technique. It's different than Tiger and JT 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:47.600 and some of the other players out there. How have 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:51.520 you distilled what the tour players do, They're different techniques. 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:54.560 I think I've seen you use the term long arc, 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:59.840 short arc right, and how do you take those in 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.080 teach your every day your club golfers. You know, your 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:04.840 your mid to high handicaps. 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:08.120 I think where that has really helped me is just 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:13.240 understanding when someone has a certain pattern what their struggles 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:15.680 would tend to be. I e. When people are told 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:19.280 to be wide and shallow in general, they're going to 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:22.720 be underplane. The whole club, the whole system is moving 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.360 so far off, and I'll be like, well are you 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:27.160 are you hitting it fat and thin a bunch like oh, 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:29.439 how do you know? So just kind of knowing what 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:33.080 their tendencies might might be, and then we can help 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:34.480 improve them, just just with. 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:35.520 A shot or a skill. 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:39.040 Right, So if they're super wide, low and inside, we 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:41.640 can somewhat quantify it. And it's not quite the simple, 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:43.600 but it can be. It's like, hey, I need you 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:45.480 to use some amount of wrists and hit me like 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:49.600 a risty slice. That can tend to neutralize them. Contact improves, 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:53.240 they can see a quick improvement more than hey, let's 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:54.040 shorten that arc. 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:56.520 Let's let's increase this. You can make it real simple 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:56.880 that way. 0:12:57.120 --> 0:12:57.760 Okay, cool? 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:02.040 What are some misconceptions about Because I was chatting with 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:03.840 you earlier out here kind of like messing around with 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:07.040 some wedges and stuff, and like I think every day 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:09.560 people get taught that lower on the face spins more. 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:11.920 You've got to hit it high, to spin the golf ball, 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:15.960 Like what are you figuring out running into solving the 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:19.600 problems of about spin that maybe you thought one way, 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:21.439 Yeah that now you think the total opposite. 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:24.240 Yeah, so that would all those questions go to Eric 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:27.880 Hendrickson and everyone, because even me, I'm learning new stuff 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:31.000 all the time, right, and I'm sure you know I've 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:33.600 got bad information out there. Right, It's like, oh, okay, 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:35.559 well this is kind of calm and knowledge. We think 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:38.120 that maybe this produces this. It's like, okay, I've kind 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:41.280 of seen that. And then also there'll be things that 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:44.720 I can take to Eric and Marty or it's like, hey, 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:46.400 I can hit on this part of the club. This 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:48.600 tends to do this and they can explain why. It's 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:51.480 like at this point, again they're so smart. It's like, 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:54.400 here's what I'm seeing. You tell me why, Like I 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:56.720 don't really know, but I can do this. I don't 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:58.400 know really how, but you guys. 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:02.560 Know, I yeah, I think And what why Derek and 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:05.440 Chris the rest of our ambassadors do and our players 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:08.760 they you know, we had Joe Mayo on a while back. 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:12.960 Is that push? They're pushing us a lot, and when 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:15.680 we don't know the answers. It means they're observing something 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:17.560 in real life. We need to try to figure out 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:20.320 and then try to feed that big back into just 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:23.640 that understanding of golf physics. And Derek brought up a 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:26.040 good point that, hey, maybe I have bad information out there, 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:29.880 you know, in the scientific world. It's kind of you 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:32.760 could say that, you know, facts have a half life 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:35.200 because you can level up your NOL. 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:38.680 Absolutely, I mean, and and maybe golf is the biggest 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:41.120 sport about that, right, Yeah, because you think about the 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:43.440 stuff you and I've talked about on this podcast that 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:44.600 was true ten years ago. 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:48.480 That is the good opposite these distance versus accuracy and 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:50.840 hitlo on the face and things of that nature. So 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:53.720 this has been great to have Derek on on board 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:57.200 to push us come in and help do some of 0:14:57.200 --> 0:15:00.120 those fun projects, try to crack the code on those 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:00.880 spin shots. 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:03.480 Yeah, and also the fact that you guys have the 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:06.000 spinniest wedge makes me look pretty good. 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:07.680 Can we call that science friction? 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:10.960 Science friction? Lots of compliance? If you know what I'm saying. 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.560 How did the relationship start with Ping? Like, how did 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:14.880 that conversation begin? 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:15.600 Always? 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:19.640 You know, Marty's always helped me out, like doing some 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:21.680 driver fittings, like he would always take care of me 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:25.120 super nice. Every time I had an experience of it paying, 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.680 it was like incredible they got you know, it's like 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:29.320 I'm hitting driver bad and they're like, we'll try this. 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:31.480 I'm like, wow, I didn't. I didn't know I could 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:34.720 hit it a little better and further. So Marty was 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:37.400 just helping me send it. And then at that point 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:43.000 working with Chris qualifying for that Shriner's event, kind of 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:46.000 this perfect storm and then being up the road and 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:48.320 I know what paying stands for and everything, so it 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:51.440 is I'm just kind of like, oh no, don't don't 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:54.120 help me out, or you know, like sure, I guess 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:57.200 I'll go hang out at bing. So it really was 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:01.160 this hope, hope that it would work God, and yeah, 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:02.280 it's it's it's great. 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:05.240 Derek was a good case study shame. We've talked about 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:09.600 that on drivers. There's a relationship between distance and accuracy. 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:13.400 Derek drives it very straight straight, but he's self admitted 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:16.400 not the longest player out there. So what we did 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:18.680 with him is we put him in our Ulti cb 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:23.960 X flex Cheft Super Counterbalance right up to the forty 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:26.800 six inch limit. So that's a case where we actually 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:30.160 went longer because he drives it so straight and put 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:31.640 a premium on getting more well. 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:34.720 Remember the first time though it was forty eight, Oh, 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:36.720 it was over when it was When it was to 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:38.920 forty I'm like, Marty, give it to give it as 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:39.520 long as I can. 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:40.880 I don't, I don't care. 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:41.400 It doesn't matter. 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:42.960 And then what I do. I put it right in 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:44.720 the back. You're like, you don't have to play this. 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:47.000 It was like at week up, I'm like, Marty's going 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:47.480 straight in. 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:50.840 Yeah, It's like it's like there's no there's no barrier, 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:52.000 it's super easy. 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:54.280 Yeah, it's like, of course this is going straight in. 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:58.200 It's great, Derek to you know, your your interest on 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:00.760 social media has led you to I'm assuming some doors 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:04.080 you probably didn't know you'd be knocking on or walking through. 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:07.080 Tour players have come to you for advice, collegiate players, 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:10.920 LPGA players. Who was the first tour player to reach 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:13.640