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Speaker 2: They've kind of showed me how much the equipment matters.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about

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Speaker 1: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Ping Proving Grounds podcast. I'm Shane Bacon.

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Speaker 2: That is Marty Jertson, my man in somewhat matching purple?

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Speaker 2: Is that fair to say? Derek Dominski joins us. Now,

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Speaker 2: how are you doing, buddy?

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Speaker 3: I'm great?

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Speaker 2: How are you doing great? Excited for this podcast? We

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Speaker 2: mean it to have you on for a bit. I

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Speaker 2: know you guys have known each other for a long

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Speaker 2: long time. I've been following you for a good amount

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Speaker 2: of time on social media, but as we know, its

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Speaker 2: social media, I've never met you in human form till today.

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Speaker 4: It's felt like we've played a few rounds, gone out

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Speaker 2: Here we go, Marty, I would like you to start

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Speaker 2: the pod by giving us a breakdown of Derek's golf

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Speaker 2: game start to finish. I know you've seen it up

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Speaker 1: Off the tee. He's got a fade every single time,

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the time, reliable, reliable with the

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Speaker 1: metal iron game is solid and trending. Shipping needs improvement

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Speaker 1: or what shipping is this little weak spot? But his

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Speaker 2: Is it is it weird to go?

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Speaker 2: Is it weird to go from like a good player

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so it hasn't come to that, I guess, thankfully.

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Speaker 4: But I've known Marty for a long time. We've become

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Speaker 4: and I think you played well the next day? Yeah

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Speaker 2: Yeah, at the bird, Marty, this is an unbelievable If

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Speaker 2: I played a lot of golf, Marty, you played a.

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Speaker 2: Annoyingly, you take like six months off of golf and

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean, and and maybe golf is the biggest

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Speaker 1: That is the good opposite these distance versus accuracy and

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Speaker 4: You know, Marty's always helped me out, like doing some

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Speaker 3: I don't, I don't care.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I've worked with some like Tucson people in

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Speaker 4: don't like Max Homma, you're the problem. Let's be clear,

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Speaker 4: It's like teaching short game to really anyone, but like

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Speaker 2: I'm actually just in both of your thoughts on this.

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Speaker 2: I'll start with you, Derek. You know you we talk

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Speaker 2: But in theory, you're probably trying to get them to

441
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Speaker 2: similar spots, right, I mean in terms of contactor where

442
00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,240
Speaker 2: they hit the ball, the way they're they're moving it

443
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Speaker 2: through through impact. I mean, I'm assuming the end goal

444
00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,040
Speaker 2: might be the same, but the way you get there

445
00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:16,679
Speaker 2: might be different.

446
00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,360
Speaker 3: The tough thing is a tour player, you can give

447
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Speaker 3: them terrible info and they can probably make it work.

448
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Speaker 2: Okay, they're so skilled.

449
00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,399
Speaker 4: So talented that I could tell them to use the

450
00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,640
Speaker 4: opposite of the club. They're like, okay, yeah, I get

451
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Speaker 4: you know, depending on what their level is. But when

452
00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:34,840
Speaker 4: you get a player it comes in for a lesson.

453
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Speaker 4: They miss your hand, you know, trying to shake it.

454
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Speaker 4: It's like, okay, we're gonna try to get this club

455
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Speaker 4: on this ball. Let's be clear, I ain't gonna probably

456
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Speaker 4: go that well. So so knowing that, so then you

457
00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,400
Speaker 4: really have to dial in things that they can do,

458
00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,080
Speaker 4: what's reasonable, make it very clear.

459
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Speaker 3: So that they can have success.

460
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Speaker 4: So that's really kind of a sneaky fun challenge. It's like,

461
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Speaker 4: you know, if I can get this person short game

462
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Speaker 4: well not you know, with no disrespect to them, because

463
00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,640
Speaker 4: it's a challenging game, but it's like, man, that's that's

464
00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,359
Speaker 4: an accomplishment compared to these super high level players that

465
00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,960
Speaker 4: really can do anything, which is why they're where they're at.

466
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Speaker 1: The way i'd answer that one change from a from

467
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Speaker 1: a fitting standpoint would be that the high handicapped golfer,

468
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Speaker 1: we don't see them. They don't need to have as

469
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Speaker 1: much variation in their short game. They can have one

470
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Speaker 1: staple shot they rely on. Let's say ninety ninety five

471
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Speaker 1: percent of the time, and quite often they are not

472
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Speaker 1: comfortable opening the face right, So I want to flip

473
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Speaker 1: that your way here in a second, Derek. But then

474
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Speaker 1: then the more skilled golfer they need, they're going to

475
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Speaker 1: have more variety. They're gonna move the handle around, They're

476
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Speaker 1: gonna lean it back, lean it forward, raise the handle,

477
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Speaker 1: lower their hands for different shots. So we will put

478
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Speaker 1: them through a more advanced fitting protocol that stresses all

479
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Speaker 1: those areas and make sure it works for the shots

480
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Speaker 1: they need to hit on the course, Derek. For you,

481
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Speaker 1: what do you see with the high handicap player? Do

482
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Speaker 1: they do they fear opening the face? Can you give

483
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Speaker 1: them to open the face? Is that something you teach them.

484
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Speaker 1: I'm kind of curious to get your thoughts on it.

485
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Speaker 1: It's very case by case basis.

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Speaker 4: I get a lot something that I somewhat have a specialty,

487
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Speaker 4: and I guess is I'm a lot of people's last

488
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Speaker 4: resort when they have the yips.

489
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Speaker 3: So I've had people flying from all over They're like,

490
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 3: it's you or nothing. And You'll see some of these

491
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:25,399
Speaker 3: people and it's.

492
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Speaker 2: Like that's either a major compliment or a huge dig.

493
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Speaker 4: It's like, hey, you're my last resort, and you'll see

494
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 4: them hit some shots and I'm like, are you really playing?

495
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Speaker 3: Are you doing this in front of your buddy? Like

496
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Speaker 3: this is wow.

497
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Speaker 4: So when that's the case, it's just getting any way

498
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Speaker 4: that they can predict contact, getting comfortable with any any

499
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 4: style before we start moving up the chains, like okay,

500
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,400
Speaker 4: we got to make pretty good contact, then we got

501
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 4: to control it, and it's building this this kind of

502
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,919
Speaker 4: learning foundation of okay, well then we can start to

503
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Speaker 4: open the face. Same thing in bunkers. People have one

504
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 4: speed when they come to me, they're struggling. It's called

505
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,640
Speaker 4: panic speed. Get me out of here. They can give

506
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,159
Speaker 4: it full gas and this ball's going anywhere. It's so

507
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 4: it's very player to player in that regard.

508
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Speaker 2: I feel like teaching golf. I mean, you know, if

509
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Speaker 2: you were gonna compare it to like a road trip,

510
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,880
Speaker 2: there are you know, high handicapped players. Players you're talking

511
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Speaker 2: about last ers or type of players that the road

512
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Speaker 2: trip like to get them to a next level might

513
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 2: be another city. It might be driving from two soon

514
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,439
Speaker 2: the Phoenix or twoson del Passo. You're talking to a

515
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 2: tour player, it might literally just be trying to get

516
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 2: them to the next exit, you know where it's like,

517
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 2: it's not there's not that much you need to improve on.

518
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Speaker 2: But if I can get you a mile better on

519
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 2: this road trip, then it can be you know, it

520
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,439
Speaker 2: can be an enormous leap for you because it's just

521
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 2: so incremental in terms of getting better when you're that

522
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 2: that high of a level of golfer.

523
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Speaker 4: I think that's what's helped me out even in my coaching.

524
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Speaker 4: So I get a lot of players that see me

525
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 4: for spin right, they want to hit that spin shot.

526
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Speaker 3: So we don't necessarily have to change form, change technique,

527
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 3: change how they do anything.

528
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Speaker 4: It's like, hey, we can add these we can add

529
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 4: these skills to your toolbox and then head down the road.

530
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Speaker 1: Derek, Uh, what shot or let's say you're on the

531
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Speaker 1: golf course. What you you walk up to your ball?

532
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Speaker 1: What scenario and conditions get you very excited? Like you're

533
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Speaker 1: gonna be able to melt this golf ball. You're gonna

534
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Speaker 1: be able to show off with the shot on the course.

535
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Speaker 4: So I really like so if I had to set

536
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 4: the stage right so it's a perfect lieball sitting up right,

537
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 4: TPC Scott still is a perfect example one. So it's like, man,

538
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 4: how can I I'm just gonna spin this thing, and

539
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 4: then if I can go, I kind of like, you

540
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 4: know you can spin it.

541
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Speaker 3: You see guys spin it from like fifty sixty.

542
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 4: That's fine, but the one that opens eyes is when

543
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 4: you're close and you can spin it and people like

544
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Speaker 4: I haven't seen that.

545
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:52,679
Speaker 3: So if I get it right.

546
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Speaker 4: About my sweet spots, probably if it calls for it

547
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 4: right because in tournaments, I'm gonna try to be smart.

548
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 4: But if if it calls for it, you know, something

549
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 4: where it's a tight pin, maybe over something great lie,

550
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 4: maybe in that ten to twenty yard range where I

551
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 4: can just cut one up there.

552
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Speaker 2: So you're telling me you get excited about the shots

553
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Speaker 2: that we don't want to hit. That's what you're saying

554
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,679
Speaker 2: exactly the ones I'm like, I don't want anything to

555
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 2: do with this. All. I'm gonna pitch this twenty feet

556
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 2: by and maybe I'll make the putt.

557
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it, and we both know you guys can

558
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 4: both play, but it I think it does help somewhat

559
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 4: practicing those kind of unique shots because it's like, I

560
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 4: can go have fun with this, and I think something

561
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 4: that's helped me in events is I don't care how

562
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 4: I look or how I play, Like I can live

563
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 4: with any result. If I had a terrible shot, No

564
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 4: one's better at living with a bad result than me.

565
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 4: So I think that gives me a huge advantage because

566
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Speaker 4: I don't care how it turns out. So that helps

567
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 4: me free it up, put myself in that practice mode,

568
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 4: kind of lick my lips and be like watch this. Oh,

569
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 4: and then I mean, it's just fun.

570
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Speaker 3: It's just however it goes.

571
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Speaker 1: It's great.

572
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Speaker 2: When did social media become a part of all this,

573
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Speaker 2: because I mean, as I've mentioned, I mean the social

574
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Speaker 2: media side has grown. What's your relationship like right now

575
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Speaker 2: with the Instagram? Do you love it?

576
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 4: Is it?

577
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 2: Is it frustrating?

578
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 3: Yeah?

579
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Speaker 4: So the great thing for me is it's all fun.

580
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 4: It's I don't it's like an additional yeah, exactly. So

581
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Speaker 4: the greatest thing that has helped me do is meet

582
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 4: great people, great coaches, great players. I don't need to

583
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 4: make money off of it. If a video does well

584
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 4: or bad, it doesn't really matter to me. Again, I

585
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 4: think I started kind of eight or nine years ago,

586
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 4: and I was talking last night to Georgia Gankias his

587
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 4: good friend, and we were both at like a couple

588
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 4: like a thousand followers of two thousand followers, and I'm

589
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 4: seeing him and you knowble to watch him grow, and

590
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 4: so we were kind of early adopters, I guess in

591
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 4: the in the Instagram era, which I probably should have

592
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 4: done YouTube honestly, if I talk to my younger self

593
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 4: and be playing golf for fun for a lot of money,

594
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 4: and then it kind of Instagram changed, TikTok came out,

595
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 4: some of these other platforms. So like the algorithm or

596
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 4: whatever you want to call it has maybe adjusted somewhat,

597
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 4: but it doesn't matter. Like I'm still just putting out things.

598
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Speaker 1: I like.

599
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 4: Oftentimes I'll get asked to speak about goofy you not

600
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 4: goofy things, but like, you know, how do you build

601
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 4: how did you build your brand or how did you

602
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 4: It's like, Okay, I got on fiver and I got

603
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 4: my logo, you know, for fifteen bucks. You know, I

604
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 4: sent it to fifteen people, but yeah, exactly, so I

605
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 4: was like, we'll get fifteen options, you know, we'll do

606
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 4: it from there.

607
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 3: And then.

608
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 4: Again, just really being able to do it for fun,

609
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 4: I think it's really allowed me to have no pressure, right,

610
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 4: So I'd be doing the same thing if I had

611
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 4: zero followers, same thing if I had whatever followers. But

612
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 4: it's just because I love this game so much, and

613
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 4: it's just I love teaching it, I love playing it.

614
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 4: I think about it too much, and it's just like

615
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 4: an addiction.

616
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Speaker 2: Shait.

617
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Speaker 1: We did the Halloween edition scary Shots yep, and it

618
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Speaker 1: was like forty to seventy yard bunker shot. This guy

619
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Speaker 1: is probably the best I've ever seen at it.

620
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 2: What's I would actually agree?

621
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Speaker 1: I'm pretty good. Yeah, I'm real good.

622
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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna.

623
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 2: Though pretty Walk us through your process.

624
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 3: It's super easy. It's the easiest process.

625
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 2: Now you're going Phil Mickelson on us.

626
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 4: So here's but here's what I so when I have

627
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 4: to twur players come down or at these college kids.

628
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 3: And I'd ask you both of this.

629
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 4: So your highest lefted wedge out of out of normal

630
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 4: sand when you make a full swing, how far does it.

631
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 2: Fly out of a normal bunker shot?

632
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 3: How far? Give me a number?

633
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 2: Eight yards full swing? Oh, like I'm hitting.

634
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 3: A full like it's a full bunker blast. Oh thirty

635
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 3: yards exactly.

636
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 2: I have no idea.

637
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,719
Speaker 1: That's problem twenty twenty ish.

638
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 4: Okay, So in a tournament, mine flies thirty yards exactly.

639
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 2: Full bunker shot.

640
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, normal shot. So I know that I have all

641
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 3: my players calibrate that.

642
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 2: Okay.

643
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 3: So that's a knowledge thing.

644
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 4: So when I get to a green side bunker and

645
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 4: I pull out my laser and everyone's like, what's this

646
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 4: goofball doing, It's like.

647
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 3: I'm again, I don't care how I look. Right, We've

648
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 3: we've been clear about that.

649
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 4: I don't care at all. I'll laser the pin and

650
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 4: it's like, oh thirty, it's like the thirty one pin.

651
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 4: Oh this is full.

652
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: Does your laser measure that short?

653
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 2: Well?

654
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 3: So see most people don't even know that, yes it does.

655
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 4: So and then if I got forty yards, it's my

656
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 4: next wedge, it's my fifty five. At fifty yards, it's

657
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 4: my fifty degree. It's sixty yards, it's pitching lunch.

658
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 3: I had a shot this past summer it was like

659
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 3: seventy five to the pin. I just looked at me.

660
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 4: I've got my little matrix and I say, oh, this

661
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 4: is It was kind of sitting down, so I didn't

662
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 4: want to hit like a shot. I was like, I

663
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 4: just full nine iron blast. It was seventy seventy five yards.

664
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 4: I hit it to a fifteen feet because I just

665
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 4: I have a system that I just feel like, again,

666
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 4: I've never seen it hurt anyone to know those numbers,

667
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 4: because then it can give you confidence in events when

668
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 4: you need it. And I'm not trying to get closer

669
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 4: to the balls podcast. I'm not trying to do anything different.

670
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 4: It's like I love a forty five yard bunker shop

671
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 4: because it's just.

672
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 3: A it's a full, it's a full. Fifty five.

673
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: We played together at Phoenix Country Club the driveable number six.

674
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:57,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys were all up there.

675
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: I was back in the longer fact kind of kind

676
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: of number five. Yeah, it kind of wiped me. It

677
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: kind of didn't hit one.

678
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 3: I didn't make it over at any point.

679
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: Back I see him. It was like rain Man. He

680
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: got out this thing and doing all this stuff, and

681
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, I walk up by the

682
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: green and it hits up to like five feet. I

683
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: was like, okay, yeah, and then he hold about it

684
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: thirty five.

685
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

686
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 4: Well, hey, perfect for Bertie. We were coming back, Marty, Bertie.

687
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, we came back. We came back.

688
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: Beat the Amateurs, take take Down and take down the

689
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: I've never again. I mean, you think about how much

690
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: you focus on the game, and to think about never

691
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 2: knowing how far I hit a full bunker shot is

692
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: I've never I'm thirty nine. I never thought about it one.

693
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 3: So I've got. I've kind of developed these protocols things

694
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 3: I like every tour player to have.

695
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: I get.

696
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 4: I have a lot of high level, kind of D

697
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 4: one players that I help out to. I have these

698
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 4: certain metrics that I like you to know just because again,

699
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 4: like when I had that seventy five yard bunkers shot

700
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 4: in Minnesota ball sitting down, I had a solution to

701
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 4: the question the course asked. I didn't have to practice

702
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 4: it ever. I just like, Okay, this is the plan,

703
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 4: and then let's do.

704
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 2: What is the checklist? You asked the players that come

705
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: your way to have answered yeah.

706
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 4: So when it comes down to it, it's like having certain

707
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 4: shots and skills, right. We can simplify it and there's

708
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 4: much more to this, but it's like having a good

709
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 4: ball first skill in short gam having a good ground

710
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 4: for a short skill in short game out of the bunkers,

711
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 4: knowing certain numbers from thirty to one hundred, knowing certain

712
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 4: numbers again, even if you don't use them. So I

713
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 4: like my players to be more planned than the guy

714
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 4: or girl that they're going to play, and then it's

715
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 4: just like a cheat sheet when you're on the golf course.

716
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: Do you do any of that with putting as well?

717
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: Any any of that framework go to putting?

718
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 4: So I haven't yet, but I feel like there is

719
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 4: a need because if I teach someone and this is

720
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 4: what I found in teaching, it's my job to meet

721
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 4: them where they're at. If they don't want to practice,

722
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 4: I've got to figure out a solution for them. I

723
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 4: don't even to practice if they don't want to, that's

724
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 4: on me. So at that point, if someone comes to

725
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 4: me they say, I plan my annual work event, how do.

726
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 3: I hit a fifty foot putt? I should have a

727
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 3: solution to that.

728
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 4: So what we can do is we can start to

729
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 4: use their feet, spread them out and say, hey, if

730
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 4: we have a certain metronome number and we do a

731
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 4: certain stroke, I.

732
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 3: Think this is where you're gonna get close.

733
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 4: Or we can have them kind of measure three three

734
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 4: stands with because I've got to give them a solution. Again,

735
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 4: like I don't need them to practice if they don't

736
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:31,479
Speaker 4: want to, but I better give them a good solution explaining, Hey,

737
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 4: if you're not going to practice, you know, these maybe

738
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 4: goals you have are not attainable. But if you don't

739
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 4: want to practice, I better be able to give you

740
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 4: somewhat of an answer whether I want to or not.

741
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: You did that with my kids in putting. I remember,

742
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: I just they just took their normal stance. With my kids.

743
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: Are their putters going all over? So just to the

744
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: foot to the foot boom exactly? They're rolling the rocket.

745
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're rolling the pier.

746
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 2: I mean, what what a what a way to think

747
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 2: about it where it's really teaching per play, you know.

748
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 2: I mean we've talked a lot about that with different

749
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: instructors where it feels like the old school way was

750
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 2: here's my system, I'll match you to my system. Yeah,

751
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: and now it's a lot about I'm going to try

752
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: to figure out the best case scenario for you. And

753
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 2: I mean I've thought about it in terms of swing

754
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: and body type, and Mark Blackburn talks a lot about this.

755
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: I mean, you talk about matching who you are, you know,

756
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 2: to what you're capable of doing, what your body's cable doing.

757
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 2: But even even the commitment to time and ability to

758
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: practice and what your goals are at the end of

759
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: the day. I mean, it's so interesting to think about

760
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: it from that perspective. Yeah.

761
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 4: Again, I think that's where I've become a better instructor

762
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 4: is because you know, I'd be like, well, you got

763
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 4: to find not that I would ever say it, but like, well,

764
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 4: can't you find time to practice? And again, you guys

765
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 4: have you know, kids, family and all that. And then

766
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 4: also what you've realized after teaching for so long is

767
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 4: people who practice don't necessarily get any better, right, They

768
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 4: get vitamin D from the sun, they get sweaty, they

769
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 4: get frustrated, and that the time is spent doesn't equate

770
00:32:58,640 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 4: to better score.

771
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 3: So at that point, I don't want you to waste

772
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 3: your time. I'd rather you go play.

773
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 4: So if I teach a lot of working people and

774
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 4: I'm like, I want to give you easy solutions, and

775
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 4: I need you to go.

776
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 3: Play and have fun.

777
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 4: I don't want you to go beat balls at the

778
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 4: range again, where you're maybe doing something that we're not

779
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 4: working on. You're just you're maybe regressing or doing something poorly.

780
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 4: I want to give you good solutions.

781
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 3: You go play. You just have better.

782
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: Answers, Derek, what do you like more playing or teaching?

783
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 3: So what helps my teaching is I love playing the

784
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 3: game way more and I love to teach.

785
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: So you like them both when we love them both.

786
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 4: But playing so making my game in season, my game

787
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 4: is a priority. So someone's like, can you squeeze me?

788
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 4: And I'm like, no, I can't. I got a practice

789
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 4: or I got to play. So by doing that, though,

790
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 4: it shows your students, you know, the commitment when needed.

791
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 4: Also when you go and do playing lessons and hit shots,

792
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 4: you know when they I've never seen it be bad

793
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 4: for a coach to be able to hit great shots.

794
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 4: Not that you don't they have to write you don't

795
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 4: have to be a great player to coach well, but

796
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 4: I've never seen a student not you know, when you're

797
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 4: hitting some great shots and you know you're kind of

798
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 4: lighting up the green and it's looking pretty good for you.

799
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 4: I've never seen a student be like, mah, bummer.

800
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 3: You know this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

801
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 3: It just can can add value added.

802
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: It's only to be helpful. Can we talk about the

803
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 2: new edges, because I mean these the s one to

804
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 2: fifty nine's are so a beautiful I think that's what's

805
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 2: kind of blown me way the most. But it feels like,

806
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: and I don't think you're going out on a limb

807
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 2: to say this, they're the best wedges Ping has ever made.

808
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 2: And for somebody that's obsessed with spinning the golf ball

809
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 2: and in and around the greens, I'm sure when you

810
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 2: saw those for the first time, it was probably like

811
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 2: a bit of like a Christmas Birthday kind of combo.

812
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and again, Ping is so great in every area

813
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 4: wedges haven't done as well as.

814
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 3: Maybe you know peing Wood one.

815
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 4: I'm sure right, it's it's you know, well known to

816
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 4: some extent there. But now with the app, with the

817
00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 4: simplicity of the wedge lineup, with the look, with the op,

818
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 4: with the bounce options, and then having the again I'm

819
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 4: in the friction business, so it's like the spinniest club.

820
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 4: I see you back there, fiction man, it's the spinniest

821
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 4: club in a high friction environment, and then it's just

822
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 4: so much better in a low friction environment.

823
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 3: So for what I do, it's great.

824
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 4: But again, playing all the Ping stuff, right, Ping woods,

825
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 4: how well do they do? I mean you guys are

826
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 4: posting non staff guys playing pingas.

827
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: Day think it's I think it's a humbling thing. Would say,

828
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 2: very well.

829
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly right. So it's going very well. And then

830
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 4: I feel like now like again Ping has had but

831
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 4: like their their wedge lineup and product is so good.

832
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 4: And again, before I played in the Shriners, I had,

833
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 4: you know, another brand, and it was like, okay, you

834
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 4: probably don't want to switch that before you go in.

835
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 4: You gave me the wedges out of the bunkers. They

836
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 4: are incredible, and then off the ground, I'm like, these

837
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 4: are going straight in and it was just like from

838
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 4: day one they did everything I wanted end more. And

839
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 4: then being in the friction business, they make me look

840
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 4: better than I probably am.

841
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: What is your what is your typical kind of gapping?

842
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: How do you do your gapping on your your own wedges? There?

843
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 3: So I've always liked sixty fifty six, fifty two.

844
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 4: Forty, but now modernly it's sixty fifty five fifty.

845
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 3: And then forty five.

846
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, so, always been a four wedge guy, and

847
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 4: just Dave Pelis told.

848
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 2: Me, so, Marty, what's your gapping right now?

849
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: Sixty one? Then a fifty six at fifty five, fifty

850
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: at fifty and a half and then my and then

851
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: my blueprint s pitching wedg.

852
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 2: Okay, so you you've never have you gone four wedges before?

853
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously you're in the wedge out of the set,

854
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 2: like the four wedges and why the switch back, I

855
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 2: guess is what.

856
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 1: I Yeah, So yeah, the set wedge, the blueprint ass

857
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: pitching wedg. And I went to four wedges when I

858
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: went from Arizona to Colorado because then my apping just

859
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: exploded and I was like, you get up there in

860
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: Colorado and uh, you're driving it far and then you

861
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 1: have a lot of one hundred and twenty yard shots

862
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: had a huge gap. So I got the gaps kind

863
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 1: of dialed in and I've kept that ever since. I've

864
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: really I've really enjoyed that. It's a skill to be

865
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: able to develop, to be able to hit those tweeter wedges.

866
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: That's actually something I need to work on a little bit.

867
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: This year, we heard from Preston, who right here literally out.

868
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean what's our tea time.

869
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. When we did our podcast with Preston and he

870
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: did his like strengths and weakness analysis off of his

871
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: previous year. It was his number one thing he wanted

872
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: to work on was his wedge gapping. He's gotten not

873
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: a bad spot to work on it.

874
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is a it's a bit silly if

875
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 2: you if you can't see behind us, we'll probably show

876
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 2: it if you're watching the YouTube clip of this. But

877
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 2: at the bird you can basically tell everything within five

878
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 2: yards of every shot. I think up to one twenty

879
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 2: five or one thirty. So if you're not a great

880
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 2: wedge player while you're at ASU, it's your fault. I

881
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 2: think that's like Dare say, I can try to make

882
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 2: you better, but you probably have to put a little

883
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: time in.

884
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: Derek, what mistakes do you see some of your students

885
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: come in with in terms of their wedges or maybe

886
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: their lab wedge? First question and second question related to

887
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: that is do you like to teach your players to

888
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: use two wedges or do you want them to be

889
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: like Weird Tiger and Onica Hey sixty degree learn how

890
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: to use it from everywhere? Yep.

891
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 4: So for myself growing up, I've always used again, every

892
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 4: time I have a shot, you've seen it. Unfortunately, it's like,

893
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 4: why is this going to bring this whole bag up

894
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 4: to the shot. Well, I always bring my four wedges,

895
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 4: and I like my last wedge to be my w

896
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 4: I don't like playing like a forty eight there because

897
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 4: I want it to not spin. So I want it

898
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:43,959
Speaker 4: to be somewhat of a set wedge in a sense

899
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 4: that it won't check up when I want to hit

900
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 4: it lower and have it not spin. Based on that,

901
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 4: the question of what do you want a student to

902
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 4: do short term? If they don't have time to practice

903
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 4: and they like one club, I'm just gonna have them

904
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 4: wear that club out right. We can work on some

905
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 4: landing spots stuff, We can do some stuff like that.

906
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 4: But then I say, hey, maybe long term, here's where

907
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 4: you know, I feel like over time we can start

908
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 4: to put the odds in our favor as we start

909
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 4: to do less work. If I'm going to carry the

910
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 4: ball less, have it, you know, be more predictable with spin.

911
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,439
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm doing less than a lot of people. Again,

912
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 4: you see the social media stuff. When I play, I

913
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 4: try to remove spin to be a little bit more

914
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 4: predictable when I need to. So I feel like on

915
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 4: stock short game shots, I'm doing less than most people.

916
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 4: So I want that maybe for a long term college player, professional.

917
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 3: But it's whatever is working right.

918
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,919
Speaker 4: So if someone comes to me, they say, well, geez,

919
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 4: I don't really want to change this, And I say, well,

920
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 4: your stats say you're last, so you know, we can

921
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 4: kind of keep that in mind, but I wouldn't keep

922
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 4: anything you're doing right. Or maybe they're doing something where

923
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 4: the stats say, hey, the stats back this up, so

924
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 4: we're going to look at that before we, you know,

925
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 4: make too many decisions.

926
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 2: Marty. That is it's interesting you asked that question. I

927
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 2: feel like that's some and I struggle with a bit

928
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 2: of my game is I'll walk up to a shot

929
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: and I will almost allow myself too many options.

930
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's.

931
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 2: Like like an easy chip shot and it's like maybe

932
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 2: it's fifty six and it's kind of low with like

933
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: a little bit of spin, or maybe I get to

934
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 2: the fifty and do the same thing. And I've been

935
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: trying to lean a little bit more into just taking

936
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 2: the one club up to the green, Like if you're

937
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 2: riding a card or you're using your push card, you

938
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 2: get it over the side, it's like just take one,

939
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 2: so then you only have one option. Because I play

940
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 2: four wedges in I mean it is easy to kind

941
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 2: of get lost in the process as opposed to just

942
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 2: going up there and going I know I could make

943
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 2: this shot work with this club as long as I

944
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 2: completely believe in it.

945
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: I'm guilty of that. I'm guilty of that getting over

946
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: that chip shot. I'm about to hit it, and I

947
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: got my four clubs there, Ah, I swap it out.

948
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel right. Swap it out.

949
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: It goes back to it's always the first choice. It's

950
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 2: almost the right one to go with.

951
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, trust your instinct there a little biteah, and I

952
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: think for that right.

953
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 4: So when I bring up for my process would be

954
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 4: I'm kind of trying to find that flatish spot two

955
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 4: to three steps on the green or wherever's reasonable. If

956
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 4: there's no slopes or anything we can negate that. I'll

957
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 4: kind of find a spot and then just doing it

958
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 4: for so long, it's like Okay, then what what club

959
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 4: fits that window?

960
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 3: And then it's like, okay, there's my club choice.

961
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 4: So I'm kind of it's like I could land it

962
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 4: here there, but I'm kind of I've kind of trained

963
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,959
Speaker 4: myself to kind of see the same kind of spot

964
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 4: I want to land it and roll it out and

965
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 4: then it's pretty easy to decide from there. But I

966
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 4: can't understand like, well, I could do this, I could

967
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 4: do this, I could do this.

968
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 3: So at that.

969
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 4: Point, that's where the benefits of you know, one club

970
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 4: to just be like, hey, this is what you got

971
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 4: to do.

972
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: When you have college players or young professionals come to

973
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 2: you for advice around the greens, what do you feel

974
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: like as a shot that they consistently either struggle with

975
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 2: or they're trying to get answers for. Because when you

976
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: play golf with really good players, you know, a lot

977
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 2: of the standard shots are good at what's one that

978
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 2: maybe they all kind of ask you questions about?

979
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, short game is weird because some players will reach

980
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 4: out because they're like, hey, I'm feeling kind of yippie okay, right,

981
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 4: So at that point it's like, okay.

982
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 3: How do we solve that?

983
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 2: A lot of do you solve that?

984
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 4: So it's very it's it's very player based because I've

985
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 4: got some videos of some some yippers that you just

986
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 4: you couldn't believe. So it's very player based, but it's

987
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 4: essentially changing the way that they do things because usually

988
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 4: in my case, I've never found it to be just

989
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 4: mental it's this, it's a poor technical way to do

990
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 4: it that over time. If I had to do it

991
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 4: that way too, I'd be in a basket case as well.

992
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 4: You're not having success, how can you picture success like

993
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 4: you're seeing bad shots? I would be pretty negative too, right,

994
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 4: I mean we haven't seen any success. So the yips

995
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 4: are a little bit player to player. I get players

996
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 4: a lot of players for spin, right, so that's kind

997
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 4: of a forte of mine. But then I'll get a

998
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 4: lot of players who they're like, you know, things are okay,

999
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 4: but my stats don't back it up. So I've developed

1000
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 4: some ways that I like to see people practice with

1001
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 4: hitting some certain landing spots. I've got some metrics for

1002
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 4: if you have a certain shot with the landing zone

1003
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 4: should be, and that's where you know, Scott Fawcett's come

1004
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 4: down to do some work on that. So it's really

1005
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 4: you know, even in short game, it can be like, well,

1006
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 4: you know, I'm I'm hitting this shot, but it just

1007
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 4: kind of feels this way, right, So it's it's not

1008
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 4: quite full swing coach in that regards, but it can

1009
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 4: just be these almost weird requests at times where it's like, well,

1010
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 4: why does this do this, And so it's very can

1011
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 4: be general and it can be very specific.

1012
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Derek, let's talk a little bit about that marriage

1013
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: of teaching and fitting. We talked to Boyd Summer Hayes

1014
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: on the pod. He was like, if there's ever an

1015
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: issue with performance, I'm looking at the equipment first, right,

1016
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: Because he said, Tony and Preston they're they're kind of proud,

1017
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: they're not complainers. But quite often, hey, maybe it's if

1018
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 1: you're hitting your seven iron right, maybe the lion goes

1019
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: off or something. Right, what is that indication? If you

1020
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: get a player down there, everything's looking good mechanically, but

1021
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: they might not be in the right grind. What what

1022
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: do you see in the results? How do you diagnose that?

1023
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 1: How do you marry up the fitting the grind, fitting

1024
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: with instruction.

1025
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 4: So oftentimes, again if someone's struggling or just kind of

1026
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 4: you know, have some members at the club, because I

1027
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 4: teach a lot of high level players, and then at

1028
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 4: our club we have members from five handicaps to new golfers. Right,

1029
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:11,919
Speaker 4: So when they come in and I might just see

1030
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 4: a club and I'm like, man, that club's way older

1031
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 4: than me. They just stick it in the ground because

1032
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 4: it's like a knife. I don't even know if bounce

1033
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 4: was invented yet, So I'm like, man, congrats, like this

1034
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 4: is kind of what you should be doing. I'll let

1035
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 4: them try my club. I'll let them try some other things,

1036
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 4: like oh man, I didn't know that. Once you explain

1037
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 4: the technology, you know how to use maybe the bottom

1038
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 4: of the club if that's something they struggle with, and

1039
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 4: then from there giving them some different options, asking what

1040
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 4: type of terrain sand shots they like to play, so

1041
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 4: we can kind of further dive into and I think

1042
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 4: that's where you know, some of the new stuff with

1043
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 4: the with the ping fitting app is going to be special.

1044
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1045
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the app is sensational. It's just simple

1046
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 2: to simplify all this stuff down to questions golfers can

1047
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 2: actually answer. Is such a unique thing, Marty. I mean

1048
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: I tout this all the time. I Mean, the innovation

1049
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 2: around ping has just been so cool because it's so

1050
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 2: easy to not easy, but it's easy in theory to

1051
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 2: present new technology and say this stuff's the next best thing,

1052
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 2: But to explain to a golfer why they need it

1053
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 2: or if they're using it the right way. I always

1054
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 2: go back to the adjustable drivers. When they first came out,

1055
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 2: it was an amazing technology, but average golfers had no

1056
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: idea how to figure out even what to do with

1057
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 2: the driver until it was simplified to a way where

1058
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 2: you could actually go, Okay, if I click it open here,

1059
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 2: then that adds one degree or takes one degree off

1060
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 2: exactly Wedges. I mean, we've talked about it here, We've

1061
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: talked to some other of the short game geniuses around ping,

1062
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 2: and I feel like the grinds and all of the

1063
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 2: options around Wedges makes sense, but it's very hard for

1064
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 2: an every day golfer to understand which one they even

1065
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 2: need for the golf course they player, the area they

1066
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: live in.

1067
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think shaneing in Wedges people get

1068
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: paralyzed by what all the different grinds, all the different manufacturers.

1069
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: So the the big friction point or pain point we

1070
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: try to solve with that app is not only the

1071
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: grind get you in the right grind or down to

1072
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,760
Speaker 1: two you can then go demo, try out and chip,

1073
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: but also we see a big problem with the gapping.

1074
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: And that's why I asked Derek about gapping, is how

1075
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: do you gap your set? Because people we see it

1076
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: all the time, they don't have the right spacing in

1077
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,720
Speaker 1: their wedges and it's costing them a ton of shots.

1078
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: So the app kind of solves both those things.

1079
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 2: Derek, have you ever thought about going like seventy degree

1080
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 2: wedge or seventy five degree wedge? Just see what you

1081
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 2: can do with it.

1082
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 4: I would guess my dad, you know, he tends to

1083
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 4: get some of the infomercial clubs.

1084
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 3: He might have that option.

1085
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 4: All right, I've seen that, you know, the eighty degree

1086
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 4: wedge again at the hit you in the not at

1087
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 4: the club. You know, I've seen every late night TV

1088
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 4: golf club, you know, when they come up in their

1089
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 4: struggle at it's like, well, you know they've got this

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Speaker 4: club and this club.

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Speaker 1: And would there be any compliance on an eighty degree wedge?

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Speaker 1: That's my question for you.

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Speaker 4: You know what, if anyone who's going to make that

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Speaker 4: ball comply, it's gonna be me. It'd be you, But

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Speaker 4: Eric Hendrickson would probably say otherwise.

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Speaker 2: Well, Derek, fascinating to hear your story. I mean, one

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Speaker 2: of my favorite followers on Instagram, it's a tree teach

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Speaker 2: to meet you in in three D human form. It's

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Speaker 2: always nice when you get to do that with people.

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Speaker 2: But keep grinding because, like I said, it's cool to

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Speaker 2: have you as an ambassador, it's cool to have you

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Speaker 2: in and around the PING team, and it's just fun

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Speaker 2: to see what you're able to do, you know, with

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Speaker 2: the wedges, because not a lot of humans on planet

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Speaker 2: Earth can do what you do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's it's really a win win.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a bigger win for me than PING

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Speaker 4: because I get utilize their resources. It's like going to

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Speaker 4: a library and I'm you know, I'm excited to go there.

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Speaker 4: It's like, oh I got a bug. Eric. Well, I

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Speaker 4: think it's like a symbiotic relation. I'm kind of like, hey, Eric,

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Speaker 4: what do you doing? Tomuri Isaiah got all these things.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, could you want to hear me talk about

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Speaker 4: what I'm saying? Can you draw some cool drawings for me?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Marty's card catalog is just his laptop of design

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Speaker 2: features on the clubs. Yeah, it's like I said, it's

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Speaker 2: it's awesome to have you a part of it and me.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for your time.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Thanks guys.

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Speaker 2: This is the Ping Proving Grounds podcast

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