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<v Speaker 1>This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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<v Speaker 1>Lazar and Alex bar Blazar and Lazarren.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, everybody nailed it. He joined us always by our.

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<v Speaker 1>Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Barr better like on

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<v Speaker 1>what relative to what?

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<v Speaker 2>To them? If you said, who's a better baseball player?

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<v Speaker 1>Show?

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<v Speaker 2>Baby, I'm telling the show who's a better baseball player?

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<v Speaker 1>Babe? Ruth Bob at Dolbeck.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Patriots fan cat begins at the top of the show.

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<v Speaker 2>We got those out of the way, We're gonna get

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<v Speaker 2>right into it. We did get into a conversation that

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<v Speaker 2>Alice is dying to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>Should not believe the take? He says he'll give it

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<v Speaker 1>next week, So I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta scandalous, bar, I gotta watch a little bit more. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, So full disclosure. I didn't want to do

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<v Speaker 2>this at the top. I was gonna tease this at

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<v Speaker 2>the end, but might as well because now everybody's just

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be like, well, I'm not gonna listen to this show.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna wait till next week. So my bye

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<v Speaker 2>week project is that I am going to watch as

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<v Speaker 2>many of the top guys at the top of the

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<v Speaker 2>draft as I possibly can, because I know people on

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<v Speaker 2>our show, they listen to our show for our draft takes.

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<v Speaker 2>You're obviously always ahead of me at this point of

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<v Speaker 2>the season, and they want to hear what I have

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<v Speaker 2>to say about the top of the draft. So today

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<v Speaker 2>it's a monumental day. It's it's really this is right

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<v Speaker 2>in the heart of Catch twenty two. So I got

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<v Speaker 2>to bring this up. It's a monumental day. When I

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<v Speaker 2>go on my computer and I make the folder on

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<v Speaker 2>my desktop twenty twenty five NFL Show and get it right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like it's literally, you know, you should really you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of feel like in Cristification when he goes

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<v Speaker 2>and he plugs the lights in, they do the drum roll,

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's exactly what it feels like for me when

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<v Speaker 2>the draft not only the older on the desktop, but

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<v Speaker 2>then he got the spreadsheet and everything starts rolling. So

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<v Speaker 2>today and we can get to the take maybe at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the show if we have time. I

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<v Speaker 2>downloaded the very first game of LSU.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say, don't say who it is, save that.

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<v Speaker 2>To LSU's offense to watch one Will Campbell and start

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<v Speaker 2>this thing off a little bit here. We gotta get

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<v Speaker 2>it rolling, and it's a little disappointing I think all

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<v Speaker 2>of us just to segue this right into the not

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<v Speaker 2>Will Campbell is just clear, no, no, but to get

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<v Speaker 2>to segue this into what's currently happening with the Patriots.

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<v Speaker 2>It is definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>Sad that now, for what the last at least two years,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, I mean twenty two they had his

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<v Speaker 1>football season, so I wouldn't say twenty two counts, but

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<v Speaker 1>for the last two years.

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<v Speaker 2>Last year I watched the very first Drake May tape

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<v Speaker 2>was the Pittsburgh game that Thursday night, Pittsburgh game. I

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<v Speaker 2>watched the very first Drake May tape on Thursday before

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<v Speaker 2>the game. So that's what I believe.

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<v Speaker 1>Was Week fourteen, I want to say, yeah, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>right for Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're right, we're right in the same area Week thirteen, Week.

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<v Speaker 1>Four you know, it was the week of Army Navy

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<v Speaker 1>because's why they're playing on Thursday night. So first week

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<v Speaker 1>in December.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so we're right in the same area that I

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<v Speaker 2>started watching draft.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you watch Drake before you watch Jane Daniels?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh No, I watched him in order. I watched Caleb

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<v Speaker 2>Jayden Drake. I thank and so.

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<v Speaker 1>You'd already started that, Yeah, yeah, and uh, you know

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<v Speaker 1>it's not it's not what I want to be doing.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the draft. Well, we both love the drafts.

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<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't say it like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I'd much rather be focused on the

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<v Speaker 2>NEP and what's happening with the Patriots right now. I

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely would, and unfortunately we're just not in that place

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<v Speaker 2>right now as a team. But before we get into

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<v Speaker 2>all of that, I do want to say a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of things here off the top about today's show. So

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<v Speaker 2>we're all on for an hour. Because of Thanksgiving on Thursday,

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<v Speaker 2>the whole week has kind of been flipped upside down

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<v Speaker 2>this week here, so they're trying to cram a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of things in so that everybody can take the day

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<v Speaker 2>off on Thursday, as we should. So we're here for

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<v Speaker 2>an hour. We're gonna try to take maybe some calls

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<v Speaker 2>at the end, but I'm gonna tell you right now,

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<v Speaker 2>we might not get the calls. So I just want

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<v Speaker 2>the show, just talking about this game against the Dolphins.

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<v Speaker 2>Has lost to Miami down in Miami, and I can't

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<v Speaker 2>say that defensively, Alex, I'm all that surprised that they

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't stop the Dolphins offense. Said it all last week,

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<v Speaker 2>we talked about it on this show. Just didn't really

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<v Speaker 2>seem like on paper they sized up very well against Miami.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of you know, issues in the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>the field, particularly, I felt like linebackers, safety's speed for

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<v Speaker 2>the Dolphins scheme. I mean, those things all kind of

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<v Speaker 2>came to Roost. I think the biggest thing though, that

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<v Speaker 2>came to Roost is this offensive line, and we've talked

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<v Speaker 2>about it. I've gassed up a little bit how they've

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<v Speaker 2>been able to hold this thing together with duct tape

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<v Speaker 2>for a while here with Drake May and at least

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<v Speaker 2>mitigate by coaching around it. Obviously, with Drake having him

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<v Speaker 2>back there changes a lot ball comes out quicker, more

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<v Speaker 2>athletic quarterback. But with all that being said, the Chickens

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<v Speaker 2>came home to roost on Sunday with the penalties, the

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<v Speaker 2>execution forty two percent pressure rate on May in this game.

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<v Speaker 2>And I want to get into some of the nitty

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<v Speaker 2>gritty details about how the Dolphins did it, but just

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<v Speaker 2>in general, this felt like one of those games where

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<v Speaker 2>we knew that this was a team that was far

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<v Speaker 2>away and all the issues that we know exist all

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<v Speaker 2>kind of came to play in one game.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and a lot of the Dolphins strengths match up

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<v Speaker 1>with the Patriots weaknesses. I mean you look right there

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<v Speaker 1>on the line and Chop Robinson, who's was one of

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<v Speaker 1>their top draft picks and has been a good player

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<v Speaker 1>for them this year, going up against the Patriots weakness

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<v Speaker 1>it a tackle. The Dolphins have these great wide receivers.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked last week about the depth at the secondary

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<v Speaker 1>being a question and that got exposed again on Sunday. So, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>tough matchup. You know, it hurts because so much of

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<v Speaker 1>would beat them last week against the Rams came back

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<v Speaker 1>to haunt them. You thought you might see a wrinkler

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<v Speaker 1>or two to adjust. It's it's a you know again,

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<v Speaker 1>a system they just in. Drod Mayo talked about this

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<v Speaker 1>after the game. Similar system to the one that just

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<v Speaker 1>beat them. It's also a team they're familiar with, Like

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<v Speaker 1>this is the same Dolphins team that you know. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a new coaching staff, but these guys on the defensive

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<v Speaker 1>side of the ball have been preparing for for pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much or however long they've been here. Right, McDaniel's been

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<v Speaker 1>there since what twenty two, I think it was his

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<v Speaker 1>first year twenty one, twenty two, I want to say

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one. Yeah, so it's been a few years now,

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<v Speaker 1>where like you kind of have an idea of what

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<v Speaker 1>this offense is for Miami. So just from just about

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<v Speaker 1>any angle you want to look at it not what

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking for. I'd say, you know, Christian bar I

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<v Speaker 1>almost feel bad because, like Christian Barmore sacked, that's an

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<v Speaker 1>incredible achievement for a guy that was told that he

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<v Speaker 1>might never play again to come back just within months

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<v Speaker 1>and get a sack. I wish it game in a

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<v Speaker 1>better game. You're right, so it could get to McDaniel,

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<v Speaker 1>it could get a little more applause. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>outside of that, just really not what you're looking for.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think all of us would like to just

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<v Speaker 2>see this team on an upward trajectory, not necessarily even

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<v Speaker 2>wins and losses, almost just eye tests and just feel

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<v Speaker 2>for how this team looks. And it felt like for

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<v Speaker 2>the last month or so, you know, going back to

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<v Speaker 2>that win against the Jets, but you have the Jets,

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<v Speaker 2>you have an overtime loss to the Titans, you have

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<v Speaker 2>a nice win there in Chicago, and then a competitive

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<v Speaker 2>loss I would call it against the Rams. It felt

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<v Speaker 2>like they were at least playing competitive, competent football in

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<v Speaker 2>those weeks. For the most part, we certainly broke down

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<v Speaker 2>some coaching miscues in Tennessee, mainly, I would say with

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<v Speaker 2>the wind and you know, all that kind of stuff

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<v Speaker 2>like that wasn't a great performance down in Nashville, but

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<v Speaker 2>at least they got it the overtime and it was

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<v Speaker 2>competitive and Drake May had his moments. All we're looking

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<v Speaker 2>for is that upward trajectory and that feeling that they're

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<v Speaker 2>making progress and they're getting better. And this certainly felt

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<v Speaker 2>like a Category five hurricane down in Miami where all

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<v Speaker 2>of that just went out the door with all the

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<v Speaker 2>different issues. But I think the football minutia that I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to talk about one of the biggest things that

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<v Speaker 2>I took away from this game. And I get the

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<v Speaker 2>penalties on the offensive line, you can't just throw that out.

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<v Speaker 2>We were just talking about this actually with Campbell and

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<v Speaker 2>how much we care about the false starts that he's

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<v Speaker 2>been called for. The penalty is you can't just throw

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<v Speaker 2>out like that's part of the equation, that's part of details,

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<v Speaker 2>that's part of being buttoned up and being ready to go.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, I do want to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the actual execution once the ball was properly snapped

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<v Speaker 2>and they weren't false starting or whatever the case may be.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the big things that I've seen on

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<v Speaker 2>film over the last two weeks and some of this

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<v Speaker 2>is I would say, from a Rams perspective, this is

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<v Speaker 2>just sort of how they play off a defense like this.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't say that what they did against the Patriots

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<v Speaker 2>was all that surprising, and that to me is why

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<v Speaker 2>when the Rams blitzed Drake May, we had a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of really positive clips to show from that game of

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<v Speaker 2>Drake May beating the Blitz. Obviously, the crosser to Pop

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<v Speaker 2>Douglas was probably the number one throw against the blitz,

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<v Speaker 2>but it felt like in that game they were prepared

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<v Speaker 2>to see the Blitz and they prepared for this exotic,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, aggressive Rams defense with a really great pass rush.

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<v Speaker 2>And we praised a VP last week for their plan

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<v Speaker 2>to get the ball out of Drake's hands and how

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<v Speaker 2>to beat that pressure and all that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of felt like this week against Miami that

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<v Speaker 2>it took them by surprise how much they they tried

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<v Speaker 2>to heat up Drake and tried to blitz him, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't necessarily know if that was what they anticipated

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<v Speaker 2>on the game plan. So this sort of goes back

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<v Speaker 2>to one of the coaching things that we talk about

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<v Speaker 2>a lot, adjusting. You know, during the game, you know

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<v Speaker 2>when you see that this is how they were going

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<v Speaker 2>to try to play him. They blitzed him fear teen

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<v Speaker 2>times in this game, and they had a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>success with it. So if you see that this is

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<v Speaker 2>what they're doing and this is sort of their plan

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<v Speaker 2>once that game declares, then you need to adjust to

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<v Speaker 2>it and adjust quickly. But the problem was and coinciding

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<v Speaker 2>with the fact that I think they got taken a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit by surprise by the aggressiveness of the Dolphins defense.

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<v Speaker 2>You give up twenty four straight points in the second

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<v Speaker 2>quarter and then it's blouses, right, So even if they

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<v Speaker 2>go into halftime and make adjustments, it's kind of too

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<v Speaker 2>late at that point. But just starting there with the blitzes,

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<v Speaker 2>then I want to break down some of the things

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<v Speaker 2>I saw in the film with why they struggled against it.

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<v Speaker 2>To me, it's just another thing with this coaching staff

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<v Speaker 2>that I have noticed, and that is when they go

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<v Speaker 2>into games and they have a good plan and they

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<v Speaker 2>sort of get what they're expecting and what they practice

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<v Speaker 2>against all week. You see some good things from this

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<v Speaker 2>team on both sides of the ball, but when they

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<v Speaker 2>go into a game with a bad game plan, it

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of it's just going to be a bad game.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no adjustments and there's no real you know, counter

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<v Speaker 2>punch er plan B when things don't go right.

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<v Speaker 1>And specifically when it comes to those blitz az Drake

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<v Speaker 1>May talked about this this morning, was blitzing from blitzing corners,

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<v Speaker 1>blitzing safeties, blitzing from the second third level. And to

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<v Speaker 1>your point, there were a couple times in the first

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<v Speaker 1>half corners came in and I know there was one

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<v Speaker 1>earlier one where Jalen Ramsey came in unblocked. Nobody counted

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<v Speaker 1>for him, nobody saw it, and I think Drake May

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<v Speaker 1>threw it away, maybe he took the sack whatever. Ramsey

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<v Speaker 1>then comes in on a very similar look unblocked later

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<v Speaker 1>in the game, which is the play that leads to

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<v Speaker 1>the interception. Yeah, so that's it. And again Drake talked

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<v Speaker 1>about it this morning that he's seeing more of that now.

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<v Speaker 1>Teams are trying to get him to throw hot. Teams

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<v Speaker 1>are blitzing from unorthodox places in order to try to

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<v Speaker 1>catch him off guard, and that's something that you know

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<v Speaker 1>usually you look at, Okay, they're starting to bring corners,

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<v Speaker 1>let's leave the back end, let's be aware of this,

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<v Speaker 1>and that wasn't there. And you see that in real time,

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<v Speaker 1>you see it angibly where it leads to a turnover

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<v Speaker 1>because Jalen Ramsey on a look that had already beat

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<v Speaker 1>them once is allowed to replicate that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so this is gonna You're gonna love this because

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<v Speaker 2>this is exactly one of the besides the clock management,

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<v Speaker 2>game management stuff. Uh, this to me is exactly one

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<v Speaker 2>of your your critiques about these types of offenses, these

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<v Speaker 2>West Coast offenses. So I've gone a lot around the

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<v Speaker 2>locker room today actually and was asking around to guys

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<v Speaker 2>on the offensive side of the ball, like, how do

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<v Speaker 2>you guys handle blitz pressure because everybody does it a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit differently in terms of systems, right Like some

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<v Speaker 2>systems do it one way, other systems do it in another.

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<v Speaker 2>So I've seen a lot of this, and I myself

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<v Speaker 2>included hand up. I thought the same thing about, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>the throw over the middle of the field to pop

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<v Speaker 2>Douglas that that drake through behind Douglas. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people watch that and say, well, shouldn't Douglas settle here right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't he stop his route and settle down and kind

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<v Speaker 2>of sit down right there in the middle of the

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<v Speaker 2>of the field instead of continuing running the slant. There

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<v Speaker 2>was another play later on in the game where they

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<v Speaker 2>blitz two guys from the field, including the star, including

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<v Speaker 2>the nickel slot corner and Hunter. Henry has a crossing

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<v Speaker 2>route and he just runs the crossing route. So in

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<v Speaker 2>some offenses they would site adjust right, so like when

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<v Speaker 2>that blitz comes, the receiver there on that side of

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<v Speaker 2>the field, if you're lined up like just let's say

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<v Speaker 2>you're lined up in the slot and the slot corner blitzes,

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<v Speaker 2>you would just pop right up for the quarterback and

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<v Speaker 2>make yourself availableright.

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<v Speaker 1>Because you want to give him a chance. You want

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<v Speaker 1>to replace the blitz right exactly. So some offenses, like

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<v Speaker 1>the Patriots offenses of yesteryear with Josh McDaniels and Bill O'Brien,

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<v Speaker 1>would have programmed sight adjustments into those concepts that they

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<v Speaker 1>run to adjust the route to the pressure. In this offense,

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<v Speaker 1>they have one route that's predetermined before the ball is

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<v Speaker 1>even snapped based off the concept that is the quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote hot route, right, So it doesn't adjust, is my point.

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<v Speaker 2>So they don't run quite as much conversion side adjustment

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<v Speaker 2>or like option style plays like that where you might

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<v Speaker 2>see that in the Josh McDaniels, Bill O'Brien, Charlie Weiss

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<v Speaker 2>offense to Patriots don't do that anymore in this West

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<v Speaker 2>Coast system. So to kind of unpack that even further

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<v Speaker 2>last year in the Super Bowl, because this isn't just

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<v Speaker 2>about like the Patriots and Drake May and Alex Van

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<v Speaker 2>Pelt and you're gonna love this. Last year in the

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<v Speaker 2>Super Bowl, Steve Spagnolo blitz the crap out of rock Party,

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<v Speaker 2>right like that was sort of the game plan from

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<v Speaker 2>Kansas City was to just heat up Purty and just

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<v Speaker 2>blitz blitz splitz. And the reason why Spagnolo did that

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<v Speaker 2>is because he knew that Kyle Shanahan in this offense,

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<v Speaker 2>they were just gonna run the play. They weren't going

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<v Speaker 2>they weren't gonna audible, they weren't gonna be sight adjustments.

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<v Speaker 2>There weren't gonna be any changes they were just going

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<v Speaker 2>to run the play. And so what Spagnolo did, which

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<v Speaker 2>is exactly what Miami did in this game, is they

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<v Speaker 2>blitz from the second and third level of the defense

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<v Speaker 2>to make the quarterback hot, and then they were dropping

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<v Speaker 2>players off the line of scrimmage into those hot zones

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<v Speaker 2>right where you just are expecting and anticipating that that's

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<v Speaker 2>where the designated, predetermined hot route is going to be.

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<v Speaker 2>So as we get into you know this with this

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<v Speaker 2>Alex Van Pelt offense, it's the same thing in the

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<v Speaker 2>Super Bowl last year of why the Niners offense struggled

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<v Speaker 2>against the Chiefs defense was because Purdy is just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of left without a real answer against pressure. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>one way of doing it. I think in this offense,

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<v Speaker 2>the key for most of them is that they want

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<v Speaker 2>to set the protection pre snap so that you're not hot.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's obviously not always going to happen. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>one guy said to me, you know when you're caught

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<v Speaker 2>with your pants down because you try to you set

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<v Speaker 2>the protection, but they bring too many guys and you're

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<v Speaker 2>just you're hot. You know the blitz is coming. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we have one predetermined route that Drake is supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>throw hot to this player right now, There's always different

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<v Speaker 2>ways to do things, and this system in this West

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<v Speaker 2>Coast offense, it's been around since the eighties for a reason, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's been successful in the NFL. So it's not

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<v Speaker 2>to sit here and say that it can't be successful.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do think, you know, in terms of you

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<v Speaker 2>guys listening and also myself, like we need to change

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<v Speaker 2>our perception of you know, oh well this guy should

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<v Speaker 2>be changing this route right because that doesn't necessarily exist.

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<v Speaker 1>So then let me ask you this, how do you

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<v Speaker 1>use a quarterback or use an offense beat that when

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<v Speaker 1>when they're covering up that hot route and still blitzing elsewhere?

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<v Speaker 1>How do you beat it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a fair question, and I think it's one

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<v Speaker 2>that certainly Shanahan and I think other guys in this

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<v Speaker 2>tree have had trouble with, right of finding those answers.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, when you see that pressure, like you're not

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<v Speaker 2>in this offense, you're not supposed to like completely audible

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<v Speaker 2>and change the play. You're not supposed to side adjust,

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<v Speaker 2>So like how do you beat those things? This is

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, probably the biggest flaw in this type

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<v Speaker 2>of offense in the way that they run things.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, so can I can I answer my own question

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<v Speaker 1>in partant? Yeah, skill, like you just have to have

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<v Speaker 1>guys that are right. Your hot receiver's not gonna be open.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have another guy that can just is winning

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<v Speaker 1>quickly one on one on another route? Yeah, And that's

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<v Speaker 1>obviously you know when you talk about the Patriots, it's

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<v Speaker 1>something that's a net.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So you know you look at the one over

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<v Speaker 2>the middle, just to go back and give examples, like

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<v Speaker 2>the one over the middle of the Pop Douglas, he

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<v Speaker 2>has a slant like it's he's running a slant, and

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<v Speaker 2>so they move the back over right because again, remember

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<v Speaker 2>if they recognize blitz threats, like they want to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure at all costs that they are doing everything they

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<v Speaker 2>can to make sure that the quarterback is not hot. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't want the defense to be able to make

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<v Speaker 2>the quarterback hot.

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<v Speaker 1>And what that means is just to unblocked blitzer. And

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<v Speaker 1>I know that kind of sounds why wouldn't you block

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<v Speaker 1>the blitzer? Well, if you recognize that there's a six

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<v Speaker 1>man rush coming and you're supposed to have five guys

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<v Speaker 1>in the pattern and you only have five blocking. Now

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<v Speaker 1>somebody's hot or seven if you leave one in seven

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<v Speaker 1>on six things right.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is why I wanted to bring this up

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<v Speaker 2>because there's a lot of heat right now on the

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<v Speaker 2>offensive line. Yeah, and understandably, so you brought up Chop

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<v Speaker 2>Robinson earlier, who had eleven quarterback pressures in this game.

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<v Speaker 2>Nine of them we're on Trey Jacobs.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was schemed glittering.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, we're talking about one on one wins when we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about that. But I think a lot of these

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<v Speaker 2>pressures came unblocked, like you were talking about free runners

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<v Speaker 2>at the quarterback.

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<v Speaker 1>And specifically defensive backs.

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<v Speaker 2>So on the play to Douglas on the slant, which

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<v Speaker 2>I think is being talked about a lot, Yeah, Drake

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<v Speaker 2>may actually moves Remandre over from left to right. So

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<v Speaker 2>he goes from you know, next to Drake and the

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<v Speaker 2>gun on the left to next to Drake on the

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<v Speaker 2>gun on the right. Because they see that they're three,

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<v Speaker 2>that they're three over two on the right hand side

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<v Speaker 2>of the offensive line. So now they're three on three.

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<v Speaker 2>But if that extra dB blitzes, now they're four to

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<v Speaker 2>over three. So now they're hot, right, and it's on

0:21:19.298 --> 0:21:23.618
<v Speaker 2>the quarterback to get the ball out at that point. Basically,

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<v Speaker 2>to think about it this way, the extra rusher is

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<v Speaker 2>the quarterback's responsibility.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you ready to put it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not the it's not the blockers responsibility. So when

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<v Speaker 2>you see these guys running free through the line of scrimmage,

0:21:35.658 --> 0:21:37.618
<v Speaker 2>don't play the offensive line all the time for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes they just don't have the numbers to block these people.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's going to happen in any offense. Yeah, So

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan Poyer comes right and he blitzes, and then Pop

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<v Speaker 2>Douglass is just running a slant. That's he's not supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to sit right like, He's just supposed to run the slant,

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<v Speaker 2>and Drake's under pressure the free runners coming right at him,

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<v Speaker 2>and unfortunately he just misses the throw. Right, He just

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<v Speaker 2>missed the throw And he said it after the game.

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<v Speaker 2>I missed him like he just he wore it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what happens with pressure, you're less accurate.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a lot of people think that that he was

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<v Speaker 2>falling on the sword for his teammate, but I genuinely

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<v Speaker 2>don't think he was.

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<v Speaker 1>After talking to the guys, I think he was more

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<v Speaker 1>last week talking about the interception than he was in

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<v Speaker 1>this one. There's a bad throw. Yeah, So that was

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<v Speaker 1>a big problem for them in this game. How they

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<v Speaker 1>move forward, I think is a really good question for

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<v Speaker 1>Alex van Pelt, because look, if teams see things on

0:22:32.698 --> 0:22:35.338
<v Speaker 1>film that are successful, you know, they're gonna just replicate

0:22:35.418 --> 0:22:37.858
<v Speaker 1>those things. They're just gonna keep doing it until the

0:22:37.898 --> 0:22:41.658
<v Speaker 1>Patriots proved that they can answer it. And this Colts

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<v Speaker 1>defense that they play this week, which I do want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about the Colts a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>They are a zone based defense. They good old Gus

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<v Speaker 2>Bradley just still sticking to the Seattle three ten years later,

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<v Speaker 2>right like he has not changed his stripes at all.

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<v Speaker 2>So they don't blitz a ton. So my expectation is

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<v Speaker 2>based off of just the film and the numbers and

0:23:02.658 --> 0:23:05.818
<v Speaker 2>stuff that we all dive into. They're not probably not

0:23:05.938 --> 0:23:07.738
<v Speaker 2>going to look at this game plan and say, we're

0:23:07.738 --> 0:23:10.058
<v Speaker 2>gonna expect a lot of blitz pressure. Well, if they

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<v Speaker 2>run a bunch of fire zone on Sunday, you know,

0:23:12.498 --> 0:23:14.978
<v Speaker 2>blitz zone, then the Patriots have got to be ready

0:23:14.978 --> 0:23:16.698
<v Speaker 2>for that, and they have to have better answers to

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<v Speaker 2>what they were given last week against Miami, who did

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<v Speaker 2>run a lot about what I would call fire zone

0:23:22.418 --> 0:23:25.458
<v Speaker 2>or blit zone. So that's the offense. Like, to me,

0:23:25.578 --> 0:23:28.778
<v Speaker 2>that was the game for the offense. Penalties was obviously

0:23:29.138 --> 0:23:35.058
<v Speaker 2>number one. Number two was finding answers to pressure and

0:23:35.098 --> 0:23:38.018
<v Speaker 2>to blitz pressure in particular. You know that third down

0:23:38.018 --> 0:23:40.538
<v Speaker 2>play to Pop Douglas. That was kind of the game

0:23:40.578 --> 0:23:42.858
<v Speaker 2>in a lot of ways because the defense wasn't stopping

0:23:43.138 --> 0:23:46.578
<v Speaker 2>Miami and once they gave up that when once they

0:23:46.618 --> 0:23:49.618
<v Speaker 2>missed that opportunity, and if you see it on the film,

0:23:49.658 --> 0:23:51.778
<v Speaker 2>like if he hits Pob Douglas in stride there, then

0:23:51.858 --> 0:23:53.978
<v Speaker 2>that is a house call. Like there's you know, the

0:23:54.018 --> 0:23:56.898
<v Speaker 2>safeties are widening, it's split safety there. They're going out

0:23:56.938 --> 0:23:59.818
<v Speaker 2>like this. The middle of the field is wide af open,

0:24:00.058 --> 0:24:01.978
<v Speaker 2>and if he just hits them in stride like it's

0:24:02.098 --> 0:24:04.738
<v Speaker 2>that's a huge, huge play. That's that was sort of

0:24:04.738 --> 0:24:06.378
<v Speaker 2>the game right there. It felt like to me at

0:24:06.418 --> 0:24:07.258
<v Speaker 2>that moment, I do I.

0:24:07.578 --> 0:24:09.898
<v Speaker 1>Get why you want to bring up schematically issues with

0:24:09.938 --> 0:24:12.138
<v Speaker 1>the pressures, but I do think it is worth talking

0:24:12.138 --> 0:24:14.778
<v Speaker 1>about the offensive line too. Yeah, and the issues oh yeah,

0:24:14.898 --> 0:24:18.858
<v Speaker 1>specifically the tackles. Look, penalties aren't excusable, especially the pre

0:24:18.938 --> 0:24:21.938
<v Speaker 1>snap penalties. I mean that's you can't have that. You

0:24:21.978 --> 0:24:24.258
<v Speaker 1>can't what was it four or five fall starts between

0:24:24.258 --> 0:24:27.498
<v Speaker 1>the two of them, Yeah, just too many. And that's

0:24:27.538 --> 0:24:29.338
<v Speaker 1>why I know you don't want to do the draft

0:24:29.378 --> 0:24:30.458
<v Speaker 1>so we don't have to go all the way down

0:24:30.498 --> 0:24:33.298
<v Speaker 1>this road. But I think I texted you during the game, like,

0:24:33.618 --> 0:24:36.658
<v Speaker 1>get over Ted McMillan, because this game is a reminder

0:24:36.698 --> 0:24:38.418
<v Speaker 1>that tackle is their biggest need. I know some people

0:24:38.458 --> 0:24:40.978
<v Speaker 1>had gotten caught up in what Vederian Lowe had done

0:24:41.378 --> 0:24:43.338
<v Speaker 1>through the past couple of weeks, and he had been decent,

0:24:43.458 --> 0:24:45.938
<v Speaker 1>but he was kind of punching above his weight there,

0:24:45.978 --> 0:24:48.058
<v Speaker 1>and I think that was the continuity of the offensive

0:24:48.058 --> 0:24:49.778
<v Speaker 1>line helping out. I think some of it was the

0:24:49.778 --> 0:24:52.858
<v Speaker 1>opponents as well, But you kind of see where that

0:24:52.898 --> 0:24:55.498
<v Speaker 1>floor is, and that floor is not a starting caliber tackle.

0:24:55.898 --> 0:24:59.898
<v Speaker 1>So right tackle Jantary Jacobs obviously wasn't great either. I

0:24:59.898 --> 0:25:02.218
<v Speaker 1>think over there you kind of hope Caden Walls shows

0:25:02.258 --> 0:25:03.938
<v Speaker 1>you something. We'll see when he gets back. He wasn't

0:25:03.978 --> 0:25:06.698
<v Speaker 1>at practice today, but if they can get him back

0:25:07.058 --> 0:25:09.778
<v Speaker 1>and he shows you something, you go into next year

0:25:09.818 --> 0:25:12.498
<v Speaker 1>with him as kind of your hopeful starting right tackle.

0:25:12.538 --> 0:25:16.258
<v Speaker 1>But left tackle issue number one because there really isn't

0:25:16.298 --> 0:25:19.338
<v Speaker 1>anybody else in the pipeline either, and between the penalties,

0:25:19.858 --> 0:25:22.898
<v Speaker 1>the not just pressure, but I mean blowbys. And I

0:25:22.938 --> 0:25:24.778
<v Speaker 1>don't know if that's a technical term, it's what I

0:25:24.898 --> 0:25:27.657
<v Speaker 1>use it basically. I mean it's it's what it sounds like.

0:25:27.658 --> 0:25:30.418
<v Speaker 1>Does the defensive lineman blow by you a non competitive

0:25:30.498 --> 0:25:33.418
<v Speaker 1>rep where it's you know, not even al right, he

0:25:33.458 --> 0:25:34.978
<v Speaker 1>beat me, but it was after a second or two,

0:25:35.018 --> 0:25:36.858
<v Speaker 1>so I had a chance. And I mean it wasn't

0:25:36.898 --> 0:25:38.738
<v Speaker 1>just on pass plays. The first run play of the game,

0:25:38.778 --> 0:25:41.498
<v Speaker 1>and I know it's designed where where we're lows sort

0:25:41.498 --> 0:25:43.698
<v Speaker 1>of pulling, but the guy sort of hits him on

0:25:43.698 --> 0:25:46.538
<v Speaker 1>the side and he doesn't do much to react. And

0:25:46.578 --> 0:25:48.618
<v Speaker 1>we see them run that drill at practice where they

0:25:48.658 --> 0:25:50.778
<v Speaker 1>hit the blocking sled from the side. Yeah, and I've

0:25:50.778 --> 0:25:52.858
<v Speaker 1>always kind of thought that's an interesting drill. I'm like,

0:25:52.858 --> 0:25:55.058
<v Speaker 1>how often does this come up first play the game?

0:25:55.338 --> 0:25:58.178
<v Speaker 1>That's exactly what that looked like. And no resistance and

0:25:59.298 --> 0:26:02.778
<v Speaker 1>you know Jacobs too obviously either really quick wins or

0:26:02.818 --> 0:26:07.818
<v Speaker 1>just outright blowbys by John Robinson, and it was it's

0:26:07.898 --> 0:26:10.378
<v Speaker 1>just a reminder that this is It was good for

0:26:10.418 --> 0:26:13.858
<v Speaker 1>a few weeks. I think that was more the exception.

0:26:14.658 --> 0:26:17.778
<v Speaker 1>I think when we saw Sunday, if they were to

0:26:17.858 --> 0:26:19.418
<v Speaker 1>run it back in another year with either these guys are

0:26:19.458 --> 0:26:22.458
<v Speaker 1>both these guys like Sunday, I think is more would

0:26:22.498 --> 0:26:23.378
<v Speaker 1>would you can expect?

0:26:23.538 --> 0:26:25.978
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you know, just quickly maybe not quite that bad,

0:26:26.138 --> 0:26:29.498
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, just like quickly on the actual evaluating the

0:26:29.538 --> 0:26:32.778
<v Speaker 2>actual play on the field from Sunday, I thought Jacobs

0:26:33.458 --> 0:26:36.898
<v Speaker 2>was much worse when the ball was snapped. Like Lowe's

0:26:36.978 --> 0:26:39.658
<v Speaker 2>problems were mostly the penalties. He had a couple of

0:26:39.698 --> 0:26:42.538
<v Speaker 2>pressures allowed in this game, and I digged him for

0:26:42.578 --> 0:26:44.818
<v Speaker 2>a few run blocks, but like it wasn't they didn't really.

0:26:44.818 --> 0:26:46.938
<v Speaker 1>Run the ball. The run blocking to me with him

0:26:46.978 --> 0:26:48.258
<v Speaker 1>was worse than the pass blockers.

0:26:48.338 --> 0:26:50.898
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe I didn't run the ball a ton traditionally

0:26:50.978 --> 0:26:54.538
<v Speaker 2>because of the score, So I don't. I didn't really

0:26:54.618 --> 0:26:57.578
<v Speaker 2>like overanalyze some of the run blocking in this game,

0:26:58.138 --> 0:27:01.098
<v Speaker 2>but obviously on the other side at right tackle, Like

0:27:01.098 --> 0:27:04.018
<v Speaker 2>to me, Jacobs his bigger issue.

0:27:03.738 --> 0:27:05.858
<v Speaker 1>Was actually executing blocks in the past game.

0:27:05.938 --> 0:27:07.538
<v Speaker 2>And I think the biggest thing that you see with

0:27:07.618 --> 0:27:10.618
<v Speaker 2>him is he just plays with a really really short

0:27:10.658 --> 0:27:13.218
<v Speaker 2>corner because he doesn't get out of his stance really quickly.

0:27:13.778 --> 0:27:16.498
<v Speaker 2>He just not doesn't really get a lot of initial

0:27:16.618 --> 0:27:19.738
<v Speaker 2>kick out of his jump set, and that causes him

0:27:19.778 --> 0:27:22.658
<v Speaker 2>to give up the edge in a hurry. And when

0:27:22.698 --> 0:27:25.937
<v Speaker 2>you face dynamic rushers like Chop Robinson who have that

0:27:26.058 --> 0:27:29.938
<v Speaker 2>speed and that explosiveness off the line of scrimmage every week,

0:27:29.978 --> 0:27:33.578
<v Speaker 2>that's just huge mismatch for Trey Jacobs. Whenever there's a

0:27:33.618 --> 0:27:36.378
<v Speaker 2>player like that that's a screamer off the edge, I'd

0:27:36.458 --> 0:27:39.858
<v Speaker 2>much rather him play like a bull rusher, you know,

0:27:39.938 --> 0:27:42.498
<v Speaker 2>because those guys aren't gonna threaten his corner as much

0:27:42.738 --> 0:27:45.738
<v Speaker 2>when you play somebody like a Chop Robinson. When you

0:27:45.738 --> 0:27:48.538
<v Speaker 2>play someone like this week, if if they you know,

0:27:48.618 --> 0:27:50.858
<v Speaker 2>he rushes over the left tackle most of the time,

0:27:50.898 --> 0:27:53.538
<v Speaker 2>but if they flip Blay two Latu this week for

0:27:53.618 --> 0:27:56.498
<v Speaker 2>Indianapolis and they put him over Trade Jacobs, like, that's

0:27:56.538 --> 0:27:59.298
<v Speaker 2>another one of those, you know, young screamers coming off

0:27:59.338 --> 0:28:02.618
<v Speaker 2>the edge, that was gonna give him problems. So I

0:28:02.698 --> 0:28:05.018
<v Speaker 2>don't The reason why I don't get too caught up,

0:28:05.058 --> 0:28:06.938
<v Speaker 2>I guess, like, and why I got more into the

0:28:06.978 --> 0:28:10.218
<v Speaker 2>scheme with the offensive line is because I just don't

0:28:10.258 --> 0:28:11.338
<v Speaker 2>expect these guys to.

0:28:11.258 --> 0:28:13.338
<v Speaker 1>Be back in these spots next year. Well, I think,

0:28:13.338 --> 0:28:16.938
<v Speaker 1>you know, people had started more so Low because with Jacobs,

0:28:16.978 --> 0:28:19.738
<v Speaker 1>like Kane Wallace is still here. I think with Low

0:28:19.818 --> 0:28:23.778
<v Speaker 1>because people get so enticed by traps Hunter, Ted McMillan,

0:28:23.938 --> 0:28:27.858
<v Speaker 1>Will Johnson, Carter, serviceable and right. They had started talking

0:28:27.898 --> 0:28:30.698
<v Speaker 1>themselves into that, and it's like, this is a good

0:28:30.698 --> 0:28:33.018
<v Speaker 1>reminder of well there will be games like this if

0:28:33.058 --> 0:28:35.018
<v Speaker 1>you stick with him, you can't have that. And you know,

0:28:35.058 --> 0:28:36.818
<v Speaker 1>I start to worry about here what it's going to

0:28:36.858 --> 0:28:38.698
<v Speaker 1>look like over the last the last five weeks. I

0:28:38.738 --> 0:28:42.218
<v Speaker 1>know you roll your eyes at this, Yeah, but is like,

0:28:42.258 --> 0:28:45.298
<v Speaker 1>we'll get to Drake is he gonna start developing bad

0:28:45.298 --> 0:28:48.218
<v Speaker 1>habits because he had to change the way he played

0:28:48.578 --> 0:28:51.458
<v Speaker 1>because of the tackle play and honestly, the play calling

0:28:51.498 --> 0:28:54.098
<v Speaker 1>it felt like to me because we saw this in September.

0:28:54.138 --> 0:28:55.338
<v Speaker 1>We hadn't seen it in a while, but we saw

0:28:55.378 --> 0:28:58.938
<v Speaker 1>it in September. The play calling was impacted by the

0:28:58.978 --> 0:29:01.258
<v Speaker 1>tackle play, and I think the play calling got overly

0:29:01.258 --> 0:29:06.818
<v Speaker 1>conservative at times out of a out of a reason,

0:29:06.858 --> 0:29:09.378
<v Speaker 1>out of necessity to protect Drake by because the line

0:29:09.418 --> 0:29:13.138
<v Speaker 1>wasn't doing it. So that was just you know, I

0:29:13.178 --> 0:29:16.058
<v Speaker 1>came in last week after the Rams game, saying, if

0:29:16.378 --> 0:29:19.378
<v Speaker 1>you're somebody wants Patriots to take Will Johnson or take

0:29:19.458 --> 0:29:21.578
<v Speaker 1>Travis Hunter as a corner, like, this is your week

0:29:21.618 --> 0:29:23.178
<v Speaker 1>to be loud, this is your week to speak up.

0:29:23.178 --> 0:29:25.418
<v Speaker 1>That's what that looked like on the field. I hope

0:29:25.458 --> 0:29:28.658
<v Speaker 1>you took advantage last week because this week was back

0:29:28.698 --> 0:29:30.458
<v Speaker 1>to reality in terms of what their biggest need is

0:29:30.498 --> 0:29:30.898
<v Speaker 1>actually his.

0:29:31.138 --> 0:29:34.218
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I guess, you know, just to piggyback off that,

0:29:34.338 --> 0:29:39.538
<v Speaker 2>I just don't necessarily feel like harping on or kind

0:29:39.538 --> 0:29:43.498
<v Speaker 2>of killing the current tackles is like worth it, because yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:29:43.498 --> 0:29:45.378
<v Speaker 2>I'm not like saying that's what you're doing. I just like,

0:29:46.058 --> 0:29:48.218
<v Speaker 2>these guys are just not gonna be there next year.

0:29:48.858 --> 0:29:51.978
<v Speaker 2>I think I feel pretty comfortable saying that they're not

0:29:52.058 --> 0:29:54.618
<v Speaker 2>going to go into the season week one expecting Vederian

0:29:54.658 --> 0:29:57.258
<v Speaker 2>Low to be their starting enough tackle. You they've had

0:29:57.258 --> 0:30:00.618
<v Speaker 2>some terrible luck. And I'm not saying that to excuse

0:30:00.658 --> 0:30:04.498
<v Speaker 2>the personnel department, but obviously, like we got to this

0:30:04.658 --> 0:30:07.498
<v Speaker 2>point with Vederian Low being the starting left tackle, so

0:30:07.578 --> 0:30:11.498
<v Speaker 2>anything could happen, like injuries, you know, chooks, the core

0:30:11.578 --> 0:30:14.658
<v Speaker 2>for quitting, like whatever the case may be, Like we

0:30:14.738 --> 0:30:16.538
<v Speaker 2>got here, you know, this year. So I'm not gonna

0:30:16.538 --> 0:30:19.338
<v Speaker 2>say it's totally impossible to get there next year. But

0:30:19.858 --> 0:30:24.938
<v Speaker 2>I would assume that you're drafting a left tackle, maybe

0:30:24.978 --> 0:30:27.858
<v Speaker 2>Caden Wallace is you give him some leash at right tack.

0:30:28.498 --> 0:30:30.058
<v Speaker 1>A top one hundred pick on him. You got it.

0:30:30.098 --> 0:30:32.218
<v Speaker 1>You gotta see it. And that's why hopefully he gets back.

0:30:32.938 --> 0:30:35.018
<v Speaker 1>Drawd Mayo said today, will be back soon. Hopefully he

0:30:35.058 --> 0:30:37.578
<v Speaker 1>gets back sooner, rasing later, so you can get I

0:30:37.618 --> 0:30:40.098
<v Speaker 1>mean they got five games left, right, four games, five games,

0:30:40.098 --> 0:30:42.698
<v Speaker 1>say that's a decent enough sample size we're going in

0:30:42.698 --> 0:30:45.378
<v Speaker 1>the next year. You should at the very least, I

0:30:45.418 --> 0:30:49.738
<v Speaker 1>think you'll know if he's totally not it in five games.

0:30:49.898 --> 0:30:51.418
<v Speaker 1>You may not know for sure that he's a long

0:30:51.498 --> 0:30:53.338
<v Speaker 1>term answer, but I think you can say enough see

0:30:53.458 --> 0:30:55.178
<v Speaker 1>enough in five games to say, all right, it's worth

0:30:55.218 --> 0:30:56.978
<v Speaker 1>going into the season and seeing what we have in him,

0:30:56.978 --> 0:31:00.098
<v Speaker 1>and then maybe you get you know. Matt Dolff brought

0:31:00.138 --> 0:31:01.098
<v Speaker 1>this up to me. I thought it was a good

0:31:01.138 --> 0:31:03.778
<v Speaker 1>way to put it, Like the Austin Hooper of tackles

0:31:04.138 --> 0:31:06.338
<v Speaker 1>in free agency, who can just kind of be there.

0:31:07.258 --> 0:31:09.018
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna he's a young guy, you're gonna have a

0:31:09.018 --> 0:31:10.578
<v Speaker 1>young guy on the left side to just kind of

0:31:10.578 --> 0:31:13.138
<v Speaker 1>be available to fill in where he's needing.

0:31:13.218 --> 0:31:14.978
<v Speaker 2>That's sort of where I was gonna go with the

0:31:15.018 --> 0:31:16.858
<v Speaker 2>next It's a good way to put it. I think

0:31:16.898 --> 0:31:20.658
<v Speaker 2>we're back into sign one draft Soto Baby. I appreciate

0:31:20.698 --> 0:31:22.978
<v Speaker 2>everybody who tweeted that at me. Yeah that was two

0:31:23.098 --> 0:31:25.338
<v Speaker 2>years ago, right, No, I think that was last year.

0:31:25.458 --> 0:31:27.338
<v Speaker 2>I think it was two years two years ago with that,

0:31:27.578 --> 0:31:30.178
<v Speaker 2>like mcglinchy McGarry.

0:31:29.978 --> 0:31:32.738
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it was that that class. And then who

0:31:32.858 --> 0:31:37.338
<v Speaker 1>was it from Georgia? Uh, who's the guy the Steelers

0:31:37.418 --> 0:31:44.018
<v Speaker 1>talk Proderick Jones. Yeah, Broderick Jones and Dewan Jones and

0:31:44.098 --> 0:31:47.218
<v Speaker 1>so honestly, it was cool seeing so many people. I

0:31:47.258 --> 0:31:49.378
<v Speaker 1>had reminder as would have been two years ago, you

0:31:49.378 --> 0:31:50.658
<v Speaker 1>guys still remember. I appreciate that.

0:31:50.938 --> 0:31:54.738
<v Speaker 2>I definitely think we're back in that territory. And to

0:31:55.258 --> 0:31:58.378
<v Speaker 2>Matt's point, it's not necessarily to go out there and

0:31:58.418 --> 0:31:59.258
<v Speaker 2>get a franchise.

0:31:59.698 --> 0:32:02.058
<v Speaker 1>That was more about getting two starters. So it's a

0:32:02.058 --> 0:32:02.458
<v Speaker 1>little ye.

0:32:02.698 --> 0:32:05.378
<v Speaker 2>So, you know, can we get a starting tackle and

0:32:05.498 --> 0:32:09.298
<v Speaker 2>free agency and then get the guy you know probably

0:32:09.338 --> 0:32:11.858
<v Speaker 2>at left tackle in the in the draft uh to

0:32:12.098 --> 0:32:14.298
<v Speaker 2>uh to rind up this line, and then I would

0:32:14.298 --> 0:32:16.698
<v Speaker 2>also expect, you know, just based off of what the

0:32:16.778 --> 0:32:20.178
<v Speaker 2>coaching staff has said about him, you know, Cole Strange

0:32:20.178 --> 0:32:22.138
<v Speaker 2>I think is gonna be a factor in the interior

0:32:22.258 --> 0:32:25.578
<v Speaker 2>next year. David Andrews will be back, yeah uh, and

0:32:25.618 --> 0:32:27.858
<v Speaker 2>then Mike on Wenny will obviously still be here. So

0:32:28.138 --> 0:32:30.098
<v Speaker 2>like when you really think about it, on when it

0:32:30.218 --> 0:32:32.378
<v Speaker 2>was probably the only guy on this offensive line that

0:32:32.418 --> 0:32:34.698
<v Speaker 2>should be starting for this team next year in Week one,

0:32:34.738 --> 0:32:36.538
<v Speaker 2>And that's my expectation.

0:32:35.978 --> 0:32:38.338
<v Speaker 1>On this like currently right the play right, Well, I

0:32:38.938 --> 0:32:41.818
<v Speaker 1>think we're gonna see cool Strange soon, especially because Michael

0:32:41.858 --> 0:32:43.858
<v Speaker 1>Jordan had a rough game and we talked about this

0:32:43.938 --> 0:32:46.498
<v Speaker 1>last week, Michael Jordan, Ben Brown, Who's gonna lose their job?

0:32:47.058 --> 0:32:47.578
<v Speaker 2>Ben Brown?

0:32:47.738 --> 0:32:49.498
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't think you're gonna put the tape

0:32:49.498 --> 0:32:51.778
<v Speaker 1>from Ben Brown in the Hall of Fame. But he

0:32:52.178 --> 0:32:55.098
<v Speaker 1>was fine, Michael Jordan was not. So you look at

0:32:55.098 --> 0:32:55.978
<v Speaker 1>that and it's just.

0:32:55.898 --> 0:32:57.738
<v Speaker 2>So much easier. And I'm not trying to take away

0:32:57.738 --> 0:33:00.738
<v Speaker 2>from the great centers like David Andrews and Jason Kelcey

0:33:00.778 --> 0:33:02.818
<v Speaker 2>and those guys, but like it's so much easier to

0:33:02.858 --> 0:33:04.258
<v Speaker 2>scheme around a center.

0:33:04.298 --> 0:33:07.498
<v Speaker 1>It is, but but looking at that game, who's getting

0:33:07.538 --> 0:33:10.298
<v Speaker 1>pulled for cole Strange factoring into the no that's that's

0:33:10.298 --> 0:33:12.538
<v Speaker 1>sort of my point, Like if you're gonna have a

0:33:12.578 --> 0:33:15.818
<v Speaker 1>guy that is kind of a weak link, so to speak,

0:33:15.858 --> 0:33:18.538
<v Speaker 1>and I'm not ready to pronounce that cole Strange is

0:33:18.578 --> 0:33:21.418
<v Speaker 1>not one of those guys, but just saying like, if

0:33:21.458 --> 0:33:23.298
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna have a guy that is a weak link,

0:33:23.698 --> 0:33:25.338
<v Speaker 1>then I'd much rather be at center.

0:33:25.498 --> 0:33:27.618
<v Speaker 2>Like at center, you can help, you can ship. Like

0:33:27.658 --> 0:33:30.658
<v Speaker 2>not a lot of teams line up guys like over

0:33:30.778 --> 0:33:34.418
<v Speaker 2>the center, Like it's usually shaded into one of the

0:33:34.458 --> 0:33:37.378
<v Speaker 2>gaps in the A gap, So like at that point

0:33:37.418 --> 0:33:39.138
<v Speaker 2>you have the guard that can like give him a

0:33:39.178 --> 0:33:43.538
<v Speaker 2>bump or like something right side the protection that direction,

0:33:43.698 --> 0:33:46.578
<v Speaker 2>so the center sliding out to the A gap or whatever.

0:33:46.898 --> 0:33:49.378
<v Speaker 2>Like there's so many ways to make life easier on

0:33:49.418 --> 0:33:52.658
<v Speaker 2>a center versus guards that can you know, and tackles

0:33:52.658 --> 0:33:56.418
<v Speaker 2>that can really get more isolated and more targeted by teams.

0:33:56.418 --> 0:33:59.818
<v Speaker 2>And with Michael Jordan, you just see like he can't

0:33:59.858 --> 0:34:02.458
<v Speaker 2>pick up postline movement, like every time they run his

0:34:02.538 --> 0:34:05.018
<v Speaker 2>stunt over his side of the line of scrimmage on

0:34:05.058 --> 0:34:07.178
<v Speaker 2>the left hand side. He's just not picking it up,

0:34:07.218 --> 0:34:09.017
<v Speaker 2>like his eyes are not picking it up, and he's

0:34:09.018 --> 0:34:11.777
<v Speaker 2>not you know, passing it off with Vederian low like

0:34:11.817 --> 0:34:15.498
<v Speaker 2>he should be. And even the strip sack, I felt

0:34:15.538 --> 0:34:18.538
<v Speaker 2>like Michael Jordan I wasn't really sure what he was

0:34:18.538 --> 0:34:21.178
<v Speaker 2>doing on that play either. You know, he goes with

0:34:21.658 --> 0:34:25.058
<v Speaker 2>what the blitzer, so does Remondre Stevenson, and they leave

0:34:25.138 --> 0:34:28.378
<v Speaker 2>Vederian Lowe with a guy that shaded inside his inside

0:34:28.418 --> 0:34:31.058
<v Speaker 2>shoulder trying to leverage that blot Like, good luck with

0:34:31.098 --> 0:34:32.738
<v Speaker 2>that right you know, you're not gonna be able to

0:34:32.777 --> 0:34:36.098
<v Speaker 2>get that that blocked that way. So I was surprised.

0:34:37.058 --> 0:34:39.338
<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised about that a little bit with Jordan, just

0:34:39.338 --> 0:34:41.658
<v Speaker 2>because he has played in the league. Here's a fifth

0:34:41.698 --> 0:34:43.578
<v Speaker 2>year guy, like he's played some NFL.

0:34:43.378 --> 0:34:44.898
<v Speaker 1>P we talked about in kenn He's like one of

0:34:44.938 --> 0:34:46.738
<v Speaker 1>the most experienced linemen ins.

0:34:47.018 --> 0:34:50.337
<v Speaker 2>And yet when it comes to like line movement or

0:34:50.418 --> 0:34:53.578
<v Speaker 2>or post snap movement by defensive lines, uh, he just

0:34:53.658 --> 0:34:56.138
<v Speaker 2>can't pick it up for whatever reason, he just doesn't

0:34:56.138 --> 0:34:58.698
<v Speaker 2>see it coming. So uh yeah, you know, like the

0:34:58.738 --> 0:35:01.578
<v Speaker 2>offensive line we've known as a problem. I I still

0:35:01.618 --> 0:35:03.738
<v Speaker 2>think that a big part of this game plan though,

0:35:03.778 --> 0:35:07.138
<v Speaker 2>And this, this issue with this offense on Sunday had

0:35:07.178 --> 0:35:10.058
<v Speaker 2>to do with their adjustments and their answers to pressure,

0:35:10.458 --> 0:35:12.817
<v Speaker 2>which were kind of non existent for most of this game.

0:35:12.858 --> 0:35:15.337
<v Speaker 2>And uh, this is this is a feather in your

0:35:15.378 --> 0:35:17.538
<v Speaker 2>cap for these types of offenses, my friend, like, this

0:35:17.618 --> 0:35:19.938
<v Speaker 2>is not I trying to tell you. This is what

0:35:19.978 --> 0:35:22.777
<v Speaker 2>they do against against the West Coast Tree.

0:35:22.938 --> 0:35:24.058
<v Speaker 1>I've been trying to tell you.

0:35:24.458 --> 0:35:26.418
<v Speaker 2>I think the one guy that's like solved it, and

0:35:26.458 --> 0:35:29.058
<v Speaker 2>I would you know, maybe this is an off season thing,

0:35:29.098 --> 0:35:31.338
<v Speaker 2>but like Andy Reid's kind of solved it.

0:35:31.418 --> 0:35:32.738
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's had twenty something.

0:35:33.098 --> 0:35:35.538
<v Speaker 2>Maybe maybe you had quarterbacks.

0:35:35.138 --> 0:35:36.538
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, he said Patrick Mahomes.

0:35:36.618 --> 0:35:38.897
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so maybe that helps. I don't know, but he's

0:35:38.898 --> 0:35:41.178
<v Speaker 2>one guy that that seems to figured out. Let's flip

0:35:41.218 --> 0:35:43.018
<v Speaker 2>over to the defense. Do you have ups and downs?

0:35:43.018 --> 0:35:44.018
<v Speaker 2>He told me you didn't do that.

0:35:44.058 --> 0:35:45.858
<v Speaker 1>Well. I usually do them on Tuesday and I just

0:35:46.258 --> 0:35:48.418
<v Speaker 1>have I mean I can do them off top my Yeah.

0:35:48.378 --> 0:35:52.978
<v Speaker 2>It's unprepared per usual marine Like God, at one time,

0:35:53.018 --> 0:35:54.258
<v Speaker 2>can you prepare one time?

0:35:55.658 --> 0:35:57.778
<v Speaker 1>I'm literally usually what time is it's like four o'clock.

0:35:57.778 --> 0:35:59.978
<v Speaker 1>I'm literally usually doing them right now on Tuesday.

0:36:00.058 --> 0:36:03.538
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well we'll get to that in a second. But defensively,

0:36:04.698 --> 0:36:09.818
<v Speaker 2>look right now, defensive is scary, and it's scaring me

0:36:09.978 --> 0:36:14.538
<v Speaker 2>because they still have some major, major holes to fill

0:36:14.578 --> 0:36:17.458
<v Speaker 2>on the offensive side of the football, holes that are

0:36:17.498 --> 0:36:21.138
<v Speaker 2>gonna take high end resources to fill. Like you just

0:36:21.178 --> 0:36:24.418
<v Speaker 2>don't pluck left tackles and wide receiver ones out of

0:36:24.458 --> 0:36:27.018
<v Speaker 2>thin air, like you have to go and invest in

0:36:27.098 --> 0:36:27.858
<v Speaker 2>those types.

0:36:27.658 --> 0:36:29.698
<v Speaker 1>Of players, maybe both.

0:36:30.538 --> 0:36:32.498
<v Speaker 2>So now all of a sudden that we're starting to

0:36:32.538 --> 0:36:36.258
<v Speaker 2>see some significant holes on the defensive side of the football,

0:36:36.778 --> 0:36:38.978
<v Speaker 2>you start to think to yourself, well, where are they

0:36:38.978 --> 0:36:41.618
<v Speaker 2>going to get all these guys right? So I do

0:36:41.698 --> 0:36:45.458
<v Speaker 2>think the one benefit that they have looking at this defense.

0:36:46.298 --> 0:36:49.458
<v Speaker 2>I came away from this game kind of down on

0:36:49.498 --> 0:36:51.618
<v Speaker 2>Marcus Jones because he obviously gave up a lot of

0:36:51.698 --> 0:36:54.538
<v Speaker 2>yards in this game to Jalen and Waddle. But when

0:36:54.578 --> 0:36:57.297
<v Speaker 2>I watched the game back on film, I actually thought

0:36:57.338 --> 0:36:59.578
<v Speaker 2>the middle of the field was a much bigger problem.

0:36:59.818 --> 0:37:02.258
<v Speaker 2>Like Marcus Jones has his limitations. He's always going to

0:37:02.338 --> 0:37:04.538
<v Speaker 2>be five foot eight, right, it's always going to be he's.

0:37:04.458 --> 0:37:06.777
<v Speaker 1>A slot corner, like that was my I thought he

0:37:06.898 --> 0:37:10.058
<v Speaker 1>was in the right spot more often than the numbers

0:37:10.098 --> 0:37:13.978
<v Speaker 1>would indicate. Yeah, like there there were two three plays

0:37:13.978 --> 0:37:16.538
<v Speaker 1>where he's right there and Jalen Wall just climbs the

0:37:16.578 --> 0:37:18.698
<v Speaker 1>ladder and goes against the football. Yeah right, I say

0:37:18.738 --> 0:37:20.337
<v Speaker 1>this all the time. At a certain point five eighths,

0:37:20.378 --> 0:37:23.178
<v Speaker 1>five eight, you can't coach II, right. I think he's

0:37:23.178 --> 0:37:25.018
<v Speaker 1>a slot corner. I think he's a good slot corner.

0:37:25.298 --> 0:37:27.297
<v Speaker 1>But I think he's a slot corner. And for two

0:37:27.418 --> 0:37:29.938
<v Speaker 1>years now, they've been two non consecutive years. I guess

0:37:30.058 --> 0:37:32.498
<v Speaker 1>they've been trying to play him on the boundary to

0:37:33.138 --> 0:37:38.218
<v Speaker 1>hetch their death at a necessity, but not even And

0:37:38.818 --> 0:37:40.898
<v Speaker 1>maybe this game is a bad example because the Dolphins

0:37:40.938 --> 0:37:42.817
<v Speaker 1>have so much speed. But I talked about this last week.

0:37:43.218 --> 0:37:46.458
<v Speaker 1>Alex Austin has the size to play on the boundary.

0:37:46.618 --> 0:37:49.218
<v Speaker 1>Isaiah Bolden maybe doesn't have the and and Austin made

0:37:49.258 --> 0:37:51.138
<v Speaker 1>plays down the stretch last year. Yeah, Like, we know

0:37:51.218 --> 0:37:54.138
<v Speaker 1>he's a capable NFL corner. He's not an All Pro,

0:37:54.218 --> 0:37:57.218
<v Speaker 1>but he's capable NFL corner. Isaiah Bolden we haven't seen,

0:37:57.578 --> 0:37:59.857
<v Speaker 1>so there's the experience thing. But this is a guy

0:37:59.898 --> 0:38:03.898
<v Speaker 1>that has athleticism, has size. At what point, like how

0:38:03.898 --> 0:38:06.178
<v Speaker 1>many times do you have to see Marcus Jones get lost?

0:38:06.778 --> 0:38:08.618
<v Speaker 1>And it's not against Marcus Jones. I think he's been

0:38:08.658 --> 0:38:11.298
<v Speaker 1>put in a bad spot. Yeah, to be all right,

0:38:11.338 --> 0:38:13.018
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna give Bolden a shot, or we're gonna give

0:38:13.018 --> 0:38:13.658
<v Speaker 1>Austin a shot.

0:38:13.898 --> 0:38:15.778
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So the way I looked at it with Marcus

0:38:15.898 --> 0:38:17.858
<v Speaker 2>Jones too is, you know, as the game were on,

0:38:17.978 --> 0:38:19.418
<v Speaker 2>and I know some of it came in the second

0:38:19.458 --> 0:38:22.417
<v Speaker 2>half when most people would probably say it was garbage time,

0:38:22.498 --> 0:38:25.498
<v Speaker 2>but he gave up some plays and then he made

0:38:25.498 --> 0:38:27.738
<v Speaker 2>some plays on the ball too. He competes, Yeah, so

0:38:27.778 --> 0:38:30.337
<v Speaker 2>he competes. I had no problem really in this game

0:38:31.018 --> 0:38:34.418
<v Speaker 2>on the whole with what Marcus Jones did, and I

0:38:34.418 --> 0:38:36.777
<v Speaker 2>had no problems with what Christian Gonzales did either. I

0:38:36.778 --> 0:38:39.018
<v Speaker 2>thought he's a stud, yeah, but I thought he you know,

0:38:39.058 --> 0:38:44.258
<v Speaker 2>those two guys at corner, we were competitive throughout the game.

0:38:45.018 --> 0:38:47.458
<v Speaker 2>The big issue that they had in this game was,

0:38:47.818 --> 0:38:50.378
<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't know what's going on with Kyle Duggar.

0:38:50.658 --> 0:38:51.058
<v Speaker 2>You know that.

0:38:51.178 --> 0:38:52.698
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you hope it's just the ankle.

0:38:52.858 --> 0:38:55.538
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have no idea what's going on with him mentally.

0:38:56.138 --> 0:38:58.378
<v Speaker 2>His eyes were in the wrong place this entire game.

0:38:58.818 --> 0:39:02.058
<v Speaker 2>His head was spinning. He had no idea where which

0:39:02.058 --> 0:39:04.978
<v Speaker 2>way was up right, like it was a bizarre Kyle.

0:39:05.298 --> 0:39:07.978
<v Speaker 1>So what you hope is you'll hear this guy sometimes

0:39:08.018 --> 0:39:10.258
<v Speaker 1>talk about this. When you have a lower body injury,

0:39:10.338 --> 0:39:14.098
<v Speaker 1>something that's gonna impact your ability to move to pop,

0:39:14.258 --> 0:39:19.777
<v Speaker 1>explode right, get change direction. You start overthinking the anticipation

0:39:19.898 --> 0:39:22.658
<v Speaker 1>because you can't read and react in the same speed

0:39:22.658 --> 0:39:24.858
<v Speaker 1>you normally do, so you try to get ahead of things,

0:39:25.058 --> 0:39:27.138
<v Speaker 1>and then to do that you have to gamble and

0:39:27.258 --> 0:39:29.817
<v Speaker 1>that can cost you big time. So you hope that's

0:39:29.818 --> 0:39:32.538
<v Speaker 1>what is Kyle Just his ankle's not one hundred percent,

0:39:32.898 --> 0:39:36.258
<v Speaker 1>He's he's jumping the gun and the reads aren't right, like,

0:39:36.298 --> 0:39:39.618
<v Speaker 1>that's what you hope. If if it's just too complex

0:39:39.658 --> 0:39:42.218
<v Speaker 1>for him, which he's you go back a couple of years,

0:39:42.298 --> 0:39:44.818
<v Speaker 1>very instinctive player, which is why it's so surprising. But

0:39:45.298 --> 0:39:47.858
<v Speaker 1>if it's if his ankle really is limiting him that much,

0:39:48.498 --> 0:39:50.378
<v Speaker 1>maybe he's out there. Because again I had of necessity,

0:39:50.378 --> 0:39:52.777
<v Speaker 1>they're so banged up, But that was that was my

0:39:52.858 --> 0:39:55.658
<v Speaker 1>first thought. It just felt like he was maybe pressing

0:39:55.658 --> 0:39:58.337
<v Speaker 1>a bit much to try to compensate for for maybe

0:39:58.378 --> 0:39:59.698
<v Speaker 1>not being one hundred percent physically.

0:39:59.818 --> 0:40:01.738
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I had him for I think seventy six

0:40:01.898 --> 0:40:04.778
<v Speaker 2>yards allowed in coverage, and I felt like he was

0:40:04.858 --> 0:40:07.818
<v Speaker 2>responsible or at least had a hand in all four

0:40:07.858 --> 0:40:11.578
<v Speaker 2>touchdowns that the Dolphins scored in this game. So his

0:40:11.618 --> 0:40:14.498
<v Speaker 2>head was spinning in it. And it wasn't just plays

0:40:14.538 --> 0:40:17.058
<v Speaker 2>where he was actually the primary target either. It was

0:40:17.098 --> 0:40:20.178
<v Speaker 2>plays where he was playing zones over the middle or

0:40:20.258 --> 0:40:22.258
<v Speaker 2>help defense over the middle of the field, and he

0:40:22.418 --> 0:40:24.297
<v Speaker 2>just wasn't in the right place as the entire game.

0:40:24.338 --> 0:40:27.858
<v Speaker 2>And then you also go back to the fact continually

0:40:28.058 --> 0:40:31.418
<v Speaker 2>still that they have issues at line and coverage. And

0:40:31.458 --> 0:40:34.018
<v Speaker 2>we've talked about this for how many years going back now,

0:40:34.258 --> 0:40:36.297
<v Speaker 2>you know, probably since we started covering this team, right

0:40:36.658 --> 0:40:38.178
<v Speaker 2>that their linebackers.

0:40:37.658 --> 0:40:39.938
<v Speaker 1>Aren't good in space and miss Mackills.

0:40:39.498 --> 0:40:42.418
<v Speaker 2>Don't don't cover well. Uh so, you know, Jelani taviz

0:40:42.738 --> 0:40:45.817
<v Speaker 2>Ony Taki Taki, Christian Ellis, you know, they put these

0:40:45.818 --> 0:40:49.058
<v Speaker 2>guys on the field and these teams, you know, guys

0:40:49.058 --> 0:40:51.698
<v Speaker 2>that these teams are smart. They are just stretching those

0:40:51.738 --> 0:40:54.578
<v Speaker 2>guys out and they're just attacking them in the middle

0:40:54.618 --> 0:40:57.337
<v Speaker 2>of the numbers, right between the numbers. So you look

0:40:57.338 --> 0:40:59.458
<v Speaker 2>at this game from Tua. He he did it like

0:40:59.498 --> 0:41:01.338
<v Speaker 2>that was where he did most of his damage. It

0:41:01.418 --> 0:41:04.258
<v Speaker 2>wasn't on the corners right like it was a lot

0:41:04.258 --> 0:41:07.297
<v Speaker 2>of it was on linebackers and safeties. And so now

0:41:07.338 --> 0:41:10.538
<v Speaker 2>we just add that into the mix of you know,

0:41:10.578 --> 0:41:15.138
<v Speaker 2>they probably do need a true second boundary or outside corner.

0:41:15.658 --> 0:41:18.018
<v Speaker 1>Oh that was Matt's take. He wasn't tackles the Austin

0:41:18.058 --> 0:41:18.898
<v Speaker 1>Hooper corners.

0:41:18.978 --> 0:41:21.098
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well that's also true now, that.

0:41:21.338 --> 0:41:23.658
<v Speaker 1>To which I said Jason mccordy twenty nineteen.

0:41:23.498 --> 0:41:26.578
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that I think you can find in free agency legitimately,

0:41:26.658 --> 0:41:28.658
<v Speaker 2>you know, like they'll be guys available. I don't know

0:41:28.618 --> 0:41:31.178
<v Speaker 2>if all of them will hit free agency by you know,

0:41:31.378 --> 0:41:35.658
<v Speaker 2>DJ Reed, Javarius Ward, Carlton Davis, Like they have the

0:41:35.698 --> 0:41:37.138
<v Speaker 2>money to go out and pay one of those.

0:41:37.138 --> 0:41:39.337
<v Speaker 1>Carlon Davis a great and he's I was a big

0:41:39.378 --> 0:41:42.418
<v Speaker 1>fan of Carlton Davis when Brady was in Tampa. You know,

0:41:42.618 --> 0:41:46.498
<v Speaker 1>I thought he was like gonna break out, really physical guy,

0:41:46.778 --> 0:41:51.018
<v Speaker 1>not quite the player he was, but opposite Gonzales, I

0:41:51.018 --> 0:41:52.018
<v Speaker 1>think would give you enough.

0:41:52.298 --> 0:41:55.618
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they have him, uh or they have that need,

0:41:56.298 --> 0:41:59.298
<v Speaker 2>then they have what I would just call in general,

0:41:59.338 --> 0:42:01.458
<v Speaker 2>and I were talking about this on on PU a

0:42:01.498 --> 0:42:04.498
<v Speaker 2>little bit. It's like a philosophical need as much as

0:42:04.498 --> 0:42:06.338
<v Speaker 2>it is a personnel need to me, Like, how do

0:42:06.418 --> 0:42:09.658
<v Speaker 2>you want, Like what's a Patriot linebacker now? Like, as

0:42:09.698 --> 0:42:12.618
<v Speaker 2>a Patriot linebacker now still going to be Jilani Tava,

0:42:12.738 --> 0:42:16.418
<v Speaker 2>Juan Bentley, you know, two fifty two fifty five. Well,

0:42:16.458 --> 0:42:18.578
<v Speaker 2>the weird thing is that is that what we're still doing.

0:42:18.658 --> 0:42:22.178
<v Speaker 1>Bentley just got good at covering guys at two sixty.

0:42:22.458 --> 0:42:25.857
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, his instincts and like his reads and stuff like that.

0:42:25.938 --> 0:42:29.297
<v Speaker 1>Really, you're probably not gonna just find that, like you're

0:42:29.298 --> 0:42:31.738
<v Speaker 1>gonna that that's something you have to develop. Now. This

0:42:31.858 --> 0:42:33.578
<v Speaker 1>is I know you said you don't want to go

0:42:33.618 --> 0:42:34.778
<v Speaker 1>back to the draft, and I keep going back to

0:42:34.818 --> 0:42:37.018
<v Speaker 1>the draft. I think there's a really good linebacker class,

0:42:37.098 --> 0:42:39.377
<v Speaker 1>especially with these kind of guys. So maybe they find

0:42:39.418 --> 0:42:41.378
<v Speaker 1>that guy, but like that's the I think the guy

0:42:41.418 --> 0:42:43.298
<v Speaker 1>they want is a two hundred fifty pound guy that

0:42:43.378 --> 0:42:46.538
<v Speaker 1>can cover those guys aren't falling off trees. Yeah, like

0:42:46.578 --> 0:42:49.297
<v Speaker 1>you gotta even if you feel like Fred Warner, right,

0:42:49.378 --> 0:42:51.658
<v Speaker 1>Fred Warner, but he's only like two thirty, right, right,

0:42:51.698 --> 0:42:53.218
<v Speaker 1>He's not set two forty five.

0:42:53.258 --> 0:42:56.418
<v Speaker 2>He's not that big relatively speaking, like obviously he's an

0:42:56.538 --> 0:42:59.418
<v Speaker 2>NFL linebackers. I'm not saying he's a small guy. But

0:42:59.618 --> 0:43:03.738
<v Speaker 2>like where Fred Warner is, like, you know, a unique specimen.

0:43:03.898 --> 0:43:06.178
<v Speaker 1>I thought he was much thirty.

0:43:06.338 --> 0:43:09.418
<v Speaker 2>No, yeah, he's got that. He's he's just a freak, right,

0:43:09.458 --> 0:43:11.978
<v Speaker 2>And so you look at that, and I just think

0:43:11.978 --> 0:43:15.098
<v Speaker 2>this is a big question. You know, not well, I

0:43:15.138 --> 0:43:17.817
<v Speaker 2>think it's important for us to push things forward as

0:43:17.898 --> 0:43:20.978
<v Speaker 2>always and uh and look ahead with this team, especially

0:43:21.018 --> 0:43:24.018
<v Speaker 2>in the state they're in right now. I just wonder

0:43:24.898 --> 0:43:28.578
<v Speaker 2>from an evaluation standpoint, like when Gerad goes to Elliott

0:43:28.618 --> 0:43:30.658
<v Speaker 2>Wolfe and says, like this is what I need, Like,

0:43:31.018 --> 0:43:34.498
<v Speaker 2>you know, are we still going with the Belichick prototypes?

0:43:34.538 --> 0:43:38.578
<v Speaker 2>Because what I see defensively, and I'm willing to chalk

0:43:38.658 --> 0:43:41.218
<v Speaker 2>the Dugger game up to one really bad game for now,

0:43:42.458 --> 0:43:45.498
<v Speaker 2>but just in general, what I'm seeing with with with

0:43:45.538 --> 0:43:48.618
<v Speaker 2>the defense is that all these tweeers, like all these

0:43:48.738 --> 0:43:54.898
<v Speaker 2>hybrid type players to buy Dugger Mapu, even who I

0:43:54.938 --> 0:43:57.298
<v Speaker 2>think could be a useful player if you used correctly,

0:43:57.338 --> 0:44:00.698
<v Speaker 2>but you still you're still banging the table Fornaer.

0:44:01.218 --> 0:44:05.377
<v Speaker 1>But like all these players that that Belichick brought in

0:44:05.898 --> 0:44:08.817
<v Speaker 1>that he kind of had that secret sauce of like

0:44:09.178 --> 0:44:12.018
<v Speaker 1>I know exactly how to use Jolani Tova right, Like

0:44:12.258 --> 0:44:14.498
<v Speaker 1>I know exactly what he is, I know what his

0:44:14.578 --> 0:44:17.218
<v Speaker 1>weaknesses are. I know exactly how we're going to cover

0:44:17.338 --> 0:44:17.698
<v Speaker 1>him up.

0:44:18.018 --> 0:44:20.818
<v Speaker 2>Like I don't know if they have that kind of

0:44:20.818 --> 0:44:24.378
<v Speaker 2>coaching anymore, and they might need guys that are more

0:44:24.778 --> 0:44:28.058
<v Speaker 2>not Belichick system fits, which is like his own thing,

0:44:28.458 --> 0:44:30.978
<v Speaker 2>but like just traditional system fits and the type of.

0:44:30.978 --> 0:44:34.578
<v Speaker 1>Sit I on that just well rounded because what they

0:44:34.578 --> 0:44:36.857
<v Speaker 1>would do Jilani Tavai kyle Vin Noy is a great

0:44:36.898 --> 0:44:39.458
<v Speaker 1>example of this. Juan Bentley early in his career. Again,

0:44:39.498 --> 0:44:41.258
<v Speaker 1>he's he rounded his game out the last year, so

0:44:41.298 --> 0:44:42.498
<v Speaker 1>he just starts a ton of credit for that. But

0:44:43.018 --> 0:44:46.138
<v Speaker 1>like a lot of the Belichick linebacker things, it felt

0:44:46.178 --> 0:44:48.698
<v Speaker 1>like was predicated on because they would keep a ton

0:44:48.738 --> 0:44:50.858
<v Speaker 1>of linebackers on the roster. Nose, I'm gonna ask you

0:44:50.898 --> 0:44:52.858
<v Speaker 1>to do one thing. You get like, all right, this

0:44:52.938 --> 0:44:55.018
<v Speaker 1>guy can't cover, but he can shoot a gap, or

0:44:55.498 --> 0:44:57.817
<v Speaker 1>this guy you know, can't shoot a gap, but he's

0:44:57.858 --> 0:44:59.538
<v Speaker 1>really good on the edge or whatever, and it's like

0:44:59.658 --> 0:45:01.338
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna have you do this one thing, and it

0:45:01.618 --> 0:45:03.777
<v Speaker 1>maybe some of it is just personnel, they're so banged up,

0:45:03.818 --> 0:45:06.938
<v Speaker 1>but it feels like they now are asking linebackers to

0:45:07.018 --> 0:45:09.658
<v Speaker 1>have a more comprehensive role, and you need a different

0:45:09.738 --> 0:45:11.818
<v Speaker 1>kind of player for that. You need a guy. Maybe

0:45:11.818 --> 0:45:14.857
<v Speaker 1>you can't get a guy that's elite at one thing.

0:45:15.178 --> 0:45:17.138
<v Speaker 1>You gotta take a little bit less from the one

0:45:17.218 --> 0:45:18.978
<v Speaker 1>trait and find a guy that's more of a well

0:45:19.058 --> 0:45:22.458
<v Speaker 1>rounded player. The thing is, those well rounded players are

0:45:22.618 --> 0:45:24.218
<v Speaker 1>usually a little bit on the smaller side. So if

0:45:24.218 --> 0:45:26.098
<v Speaker 1>you still want that two hundred and fifty five pounds

0:45:26.138 --> 0:45:29.098
<v Speaker 1>in a linebacker, that guy's probably gonna be lacking in coverage.

0:45:29.178 --> 0:45:30.897
<v Speaker 1>So okay, you want to go find the two hundred

0:45:30.898 --> 0:45:33.058
<v Speaker 1>and thirty pound linebacker to spell him in coverage. You

0:45:33.098 --> 0:45:34.857
<v Speaker 1>want to go find mac Wilson. You can do that,

0:45:35.258 --> 0:45:37.178
<v Speaker 1>but then you have to be willing to make those

0:45:37.218 --> 0:45:41.098
<v Speaker 1>substitutions and have those different packages, which again, it just

0:45:41.138 --> 0:45:42.578
<v Speaker 1>feels like this year, and maybe it's just because they

0:45:42.578 --> 0:45:46.058
<v Speaker 1>have no bodies, but this year it feels more like

0:45:46.098 --> 0:45:48.498
<v Speaker 1>they're at like asking Jolani to vie to cover. He

0:45:48.538 --> 0:45:50.098
<v Speaker 1>wasn't asked to do that the last few years. People

0:45:50.098 --> 0:45:52.258
<v Speaker 1>say How why did Jelanie Devi get so much worse

0:45:52.538 --> 0:45:54.817
<v Speaker 1>in one season. I don't think he got worse. He's

0:45:54.898 --> 0:45:57.298
<v Speaker 1>just being asked to do things he wasn't asked to

0:45:57.338 --> 0:45:59.738
<v Speaker 1>do the last two years, and they're not strengths of

0:45:59.778 --> 0:46:02.018
<v Speaker 1>his and he's doing less of the things that are strengths.

0:46:02.098 --> 0:46:04.578
<v Speaker 1>But they maybe need him doing it because when Bentley

0:46:04.578 --> 0:46:06.538
<v Speaker 1>goes down, who else is playing off the ball? They

0:46:06.578 --> 0:46:09.258
<v Speaker 1>tried McMillan, he wasn't playing well. You know, They've moved

0:46:09.298 --> 0:46:12.218
<v Speaker 1>on to Christian Ellis and that's work to an extent.

0:46:12.338 --> 0:46:16.338
<v Speaker 1>He's been better than Tavia was. But maybe it's not necessarily.

0:46:16.338 --> 0:46:20.417
<v Speaker 1>Maybe the prototype is just the well rounded guy. It's

0:46:20.498 --> 0:46:21.698
<v Speaker 1>not a specialist.

0:46:21.978 --> 0:46:23.778
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think it's a good way of putting it.

0:46:23.858 --> 0:46:26.818
<v Speaker 2>And it's just something that I've been thinking about with

0:46:26.818 --> 0:46:30.377
<v Speaker 2>with Mayo, DeMarcus Covington, you know, assuming that that cover

0:46:30.818 --> 0:46:34.458
<v Speaker 2>who look, I'll say this about the entire coaching staff.

0:46:34.978 --> 0:46:37.777
<v Speaker 2>Girodmeo needs to go into this offseason with his eyes

0:46:37.818 --> 0:46:40.938
<v Speaker 2>wide open about his coaching staff. I remember back and

0:46:41.058 --> 0:46:42.978
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you probably remember this at the list a

0:46:43.018 --> 0:46:46.258
<v Speaker 2>little bit when they hired their coaches. One of the

0:46:46.298 --> 0:46:48.938
<v Speaker 2>first things that he said at his press conference when

0:46:48.938 --> 0:46:52.777
<v Speaker 2>he introduced the coordinators was that he might not get

0:46:52.778 --> 0:46:54.978
<v Speaker 2>it right on the first try, right, like there might

0:46:55.018 --> 0:46:56.938
<v Speaker 2>be some coaches where he didn't get it right on

0:46:56.978 --> 0:46:59.258
<v Speaker 2>the first try. And I just look at that across

0:46:59.258 --> 0:47:01.258
<v Speaker 2>the board, like I'm not trying to single anybody out.

0:47:01.338 --> 0:47:03.258
<v Speaker 2>I look at it across the board on the staff

0:47:03.498 --> 0:47:06.178
<v Speaker 2>like it just might not be the answer, right, And

0:47:06.218 --> 0:47:09.218
<v Speaker 2>you have to move on quickly in this league, because really,

0:47:09.578 --> 0:47:11.578
<v Speaker 2>I would say after the year that they've had this year,

0:47:11.618 --> 0:47:14.258
<v Speaker 2>assuming that they don't go and rattle off five straight wins,

0:47:14.258 --> 0:47:17.738
<v Speaker 2>which I think we can all safely assume they have

0:47:17.818 --> 0:47:21.298
<v Speaker 2>one more year before it really starts to get testy

0:47:21.458 --> 0:47:24.338
<v Speaker 2>with your odd mao, right, like he's got one more season.

0:47:24.458 --> 0:47:26.858
<v Speaker 2>Next year, they're gonna draft high, they're gonna spend a

0:47:26.858 --> 0:47:29.258
<v Speaker 2>bunch of money on players, and then they have to

0:47:29.298 --> 0:47:31.498
<v Speaker 2>start having some results here and they have to start

0:47:31.538 --> 0:47:34.538
<v Speaker 2>winning some games. So if you're girod Mayo, you don't

0:47:34.538 --> 0:47:39.258
<v Speaker 2>have all this leash to carry DeMarcus Covington because he's

0:47:39.578 --> 0:47:41.777
<v Speaker 2>a guy you liked with Bill and he's your guy

0:47:41.818 --> 0:47:43.538
<v Speaker 2>and you kind of game up together and this that

0:47:43.618 --> 0:47:45.738
<v Speaker 2>and the other thing. If he's not getting the job done,

0:47:45.738 --> 0:47:48.658
<v Speaker 2>then you got to move on because your job's on

0:47:48.698 --> 0:47:52.498
<v Speaker 2>the line too. And I look at them philosophically defensively,

0:47:52.818 --> 0:47:55.698
<v Speaker 2>and I do think they need to answer that difficult

0:47:55.738 --> 0:47:59.538
<v Speaker 2>question going into next offseason and have this conversation between

0:48:00.018 --> 0:48:04.378
<v Speaker 2>Gerard and Elliott Wolfe specifically of you know, how do

0:48:04.458 --> 0:48:08.178
<v Speaker 2>we want to build this defense? And you might have

0:48:08.258 --> 0:48:10.738
<v Speaker 2>to be a little bit more systemic, like it might

0:48:10.818 --> 0:48:14.938
<v Speaker 2>not be an amoeba game plan defense where everything changes

0:48:15.098 --> 0:48:18.098
<v Speaker 2>constantly week to week, and these guys are hybrids and

0:48:18.138 --> 0:48:20.458
<v Speaker 2>this guy's adjuster as they like to used to call

0:48:20.538 --> 0:48:23.338
<v Speaker 2>Jelani Tavai, you know, like you have to be You

0:48:23.418 --> 0:48:25.898
<v Speaker 2>might have to have, you know, like some of these

0:48:25.938 --> 0:48:29.857
<v Speaker 2>other coaches and these other trees, you know, the Fangio Tree,

0:48:29.858 --> 0:48:32.938
<v Speaker 2>the Seattle three guys, like that's just the system and

0:48:32.978 --> 0:48:34.898
<v Speaker 2>they just run it. They'll have their little game plan

0:48:35.018 --> 0:48:37.818
<v Speaker 2>wrinkles here and there, but they have their types of players,

0:48:37.858 --> 0:48:41.058
<v Speaker 2>they have their system and they stick to that and

0:48:41.098 --> 0:48:44.258
<v Speaker 2>they just try to get really really good and really

0:48:44.298 --> 0:48:47.817
<v Speaker 2>really good personnel for what they want to do defensively

0:48:47.858 --> 0:48:51.258
<v Speaker 2>instead of just being the Belichick defense, Like, well Bill's

0:48:51.298 --> 0:48:54.418
<v Speaker 2>not here, anymore. So you're not the Belichick defense anymore.

0:48:54.018 --> 0:48:56.378
<v Speaker 1>And that means maybe redefining players. So while you're watching

0:48:56.498 --> 0:48:59.538
<v Speaker 1>LSU Harold Perkins linebacker.

0:48:59.218 --> 0:49:02.538
<v Speaker 2>Of course, gotta gotta make it watch the draft, gotta

0:49:02.578 --> 0:49:05.937
<v Speaker 2>make it about the draw it all right. A couple

0:49:06.018 --> 0:49:07.618
<v Speaker 2>of more things that I just got to get off

0:49:07.698 --> 0:49:10.178
<v Speaker 2>my chest is I'm sorry for you know, the abbreviated

0:49:10.218 --> 0:49:12.658
<v Speaker 2>show here today. So we were running out of time.

0:49:13.138 --> 0:49:15.578
<v Speaker 2>So I'm just gonna stick with this game from Sunday

0:49:15.578 --> 0:49:18.377
<v Speaker 2>against Miami for the most part, and maybe we'll throw

0:49:18.418 --> 0:49:20.058
<v Speaker 2>some ups and downs in there. Yeah you have you

0:49:20.098 --> 0:49:22.258
<v Speaker 2>can hear that. But I have one more thing I

0:49:22.258 --> 0:49:25.377
<v Speaker 2>want to get off my chest. So the last thing,

0:49:25.538 --> 0:49:28.778
<v Speaker 2>just because you know, I already took down their entire

0:49:29.498 --> 0:49:32.698
<v Speaker 2>you know, hot system an answer to pressure, because that

0:49:32.538 --> 0:49:35.618
<v Speaker 2>that Miami took it down, so I didn't do it first, right.

0:49:35.658 --> 0:49:38.857
<v Speaker 2>The other thing that really has irked me all season long,

0:49:38.858 --> 0:49:40.978
<v Speaker 2>and I feel like a broken record talking about this,

0:49:41.818 --> 0:49:46.138
<v Speaker 2>their play action concepts do not work, and their play

0:49:46.178 --> 0:49:51.818
<v Speaker 2>action game it does not marry this. The run actions

0:49:51.858 --> 0:49:54.698
<v Speaker 2>do not marry to the routes. Okay, so I'll give

0:49:54.698 --> 0:49:58.498
<v Speaker 2>you an example. They ran a play action play from pistol,

0:49:58.858 --> 0:50:01.378
<v Speaker 2>which I was there. We go. This is what I've

0:50:01.378 --> 0:50:04.458
<v Speaker 2>been waiting to see. They pulled the guard from pistol

0:50:05.178 --> 0:50:07.818
<v Speaker 2>and they get the linebackers to bite. They get the

0:50:07.818 --> 0:50:10.978
<v Speaker 2>linebackers up into the line of scrimmage, and then they

0:50:11.058 --> 0:50:15.218
<v Speaker 2>run two routes on the outside off of that run.

0:50:15.498 --> 0:50:18.458
<v Speaker 2>So think about it this way. When you run that

0:50:18.618 --> 0:50:21.498
<v Speaker 2>guard pole right, you're trying to get the linebackers up

0:50:21.778 --> 0:50:24.018
<v Speaker 2>vacate the middle. So you're trying to vacate the middle

0:50:24.018 --> 0:50:26.058
<v Speaker 2>of the field. They don't run a single route into

0:50:26.138 --> 0:50:30.178
<v Speaker 2>the middle of the field. Nothing Brittain, no crosser, no seam,

0:50:30.658 --> 0:50:36.498
<v Speaker 2>no post, no slant, no nothing. So Miami runs the

0:50:36.858 --> 0:50:41.098
<v Speaker 2>exact same concept two in the pistol, pull the guard

0:50:41.418 --> 0:50:44.138
<v Speaker 2>and they hit John Newsmith on a little shallow crosser

0:50:44.178 --> 0:50:47.178
<v Speaker 2>going across the middle. And you just see that juxtaposition

0:50:47.298 --> 0:50:50.578
<v Speaker 2>of like what it looks like when it's designed correctly

0:50:50.618 --> 0:50:52.458
<v Speaker 2>and what it looks like when the Patriots run it.

0:50:52.818 --> 0:50:55.618
<v Speaker 2>And the Patriots are running it with an out and

0:50:55.858 --> 0:50:59.738
<v Speaker 2>a nine stop outside the numbers, Like, I, how does that?

0:51:00.218 --> 0:51:05.297
<v Speaker 2>You're trying to you're trying to displace linebackers and then

0:51:05.338 --> 0:51:07.938
<v Speaker 2>you're throwing at corners right, Like that just doesn't make

0:51:07.938 --> 0:51:10.578
<v Speaker 2>any sense. And Drake May you know, hits the top

0:51:10.618 --> 0:51:13.618
<v Speaker 2>of his drop and is just like where am I

0:51:13.658 --> 0:51:15.058
<v Speaker 2>supposed to go with this football?

0:51:15.138 --> 0:51:15.297
<v Speaker 1>Right?

0:51:15.338 --> 0:51:18.218
<v Speaker 2>Like the corners, they don't have any run pass conflict,

0:51:18.538 --> 0:51:20.817
<v Speaker 2>so they're looking at they're just covering their guys, right,

0:51:20.858 --> 0:51:23.618
<v Speaker 2>there's no poll, there's no conflict in the defense.

0:51:24.018 --> 0:51:26.578
<v Speaker 1>So the past the play action pass game just has

0:51:26.618 --> 0:51:29.378
<v Speaker 1>not married up all season long, and it feels like

0:51:29.418 --> 0:51:32.058
<v Speaker 1>they're just leaving yard on the field because of that,

0:51:32.258 --> 0:51:33.858
<v Speaker 1>and it just.

0:51:33.858 --> 0:51:35.818
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't make much sense. Like how many times did we

0:51:35.858 --> 0:51:38.538
<v Speaker 2>see I talk about this every week, and he's gonna

0:51:38.538 --> 0:51:41.018
<v Speaker 2>be in here at some point this afternoon, so I'll

0:51:41.018 --> 0:51:44.417
<v Speaker 2>bring him up. How many times did we see pull

0:51:44.458 --> 0:51:48.178
<v Speaker 2>the guard, play action pass, gronk up the seam? Like

0:51:48.578 --> 0:51:52.178
<v Speaker 2>that was a Patriots staple for a decade, Right, how

0:51:52.178 --> 0:51:56.218
<v Speaker 2>many times do we see that in this offense? Never? Never,

0:51:56.338 --> 0:51:59.058
<v Speaker 2>because they don't run those types of concepts. They have

0:51:59.138 --> 0:52:02.338
<v Speaker 2>two tight ends that are capable receivers, like, they have

0:52:02.418 --> 0:52:04.298
<v Speaker 2>two tight ends that have been good.

0:52:04.098 --> 0:52:05.898
<v Speaker 1>First time in a while, Like this is one of

0:52:05.898 --> 0:52:08.018
<v Speaker 1>the best Patriots. This is probably the best Patriots tight

0:52:08.058 --> 0:52:09.298
<v Speaker 1>end year since Gronk retired.

0:52:09.618 --> 0:52:14.337
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just that piece of it is really has

0:52:14.378 --> 0:52:17.898
<v Speaker 2>infuriated me to no end. And the last thing just

0:52:18.258 --> 0:52:20.058
<v Speaker 2>to go on the defense and make this just the

0:52:20.098 --> 0:52:23.498
<v Speaker 2>whole you know, s Sandwich. I can talk special teams

0:52:23.498 --> 0:52:25.498
<v Speaker 2>after you, and I'll let you finish with the special

0:52:25.538 --> 0:52:31.098
<v Speaker 2>teams once again. They're playing Miami, who's probably I would

0:52:31.138 --> 0:52:33.018
<v Speaker 2>say Miami is probably the fastest.

0:52:32.618 --> 0:52:33.578
<v Speaker 1>Offense in the NFL.

0:52:33.618 --> 0:52:37.018
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, guess how many snaps and base defense the

0:52:37.018 --> 0:52:38.218
<v Speaker 2>Patriots played in this game.

0:52:39.338 --> 0:52:41.417
<v Speaker 1>Probably around I'm gonna guess around forty percent.

0:52:41.898 --> 0:52:44.178
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, twenty five snaps in based defense.

0:52:43.938 --> 0:52:45.058
<v Speaker 1>Out of what like sixty plays.

0:52:45.138 --> 0:52:47.138
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, against Miami.

0:52:47.738 --> 0:52:51.698
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, against these receivers, against old friend Johnny Smith, who,

0:52:51.858 --> 0:52:54.258
<v Speaker 1>for all of his faults with the Patriots is an athletic,

0:52:54.578 --> 0:52:56.938
<v Speaker 1>you know, explosive tight end. I think we're kind of

0:52:57.018 --> 0:53:00.578
<v Speaker 1>learning what went wrong between the Patriots and John new Smith.

0:53:00.698 --> 0:53:04.178
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they they keep rolling based defense out there,

0:53:04.858 --> 0:53:08.018
<v Speaker 2>and that goes back to me to like this philosophy

0:53:08.058 --> 0:53:10.138
<v Speaker 2>thing that you know, every time we've asked the Marcus

0:53:10.138 --> 0:53:12.938
<v Speaker 2>Comington about this, they want to stop the run like

0:53:13.018 --> 0:53:15.818
<v Speaker 2>it's a phil philistophigs, which they did do to stop

0:53:15.858 --> 0:53:17.218
<v Speaker 2>the run. It was the one thing they did well

0:53:17.218 --> 0:53:19.658
<v Speaker 2>in this game two point seven yards per carry foram. Yeah,

0:53:19.778 --> 0:53:22.458
<v Speaker 2>that they stopped to run, But you can stop to

0:53:22.538 --> 0:53:25.498
<v Speaker 2>run all day long. If your linebackers can't cover, then

0:53:25.498 --> 0:53:27.698
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna just get you in base defense and they're

0:53:27.738 --> 0:53:29.178
<v Speaker 2>just gonna throw the ball into your base da.

0:53:29.418 --> 0:53:30.857
<v Speaker 1>It goes back to what we were just talkingalking about.

0:53:30.898 --> 0:53:32.578
<v Speaker 1>If this is what you want your identity to be,

0:53:33.538 --> 0:53:37.178
<v Speaker 1>you need smaller, more athletic linebackers. Yeah, like fit like smaller.

0:53:37.218 --> 0:53:41.658
<v Speaker 1>When I say smaller, that sounds counter intuitive to stopping

0:53:41.658 --> 0:53:44.098
<v Speaker 1>the run. I guess the better way to phrase it'd be,

0:53:44.258 --> 0:53:46.418
<v Speaker 1>if this one you want your identity to be, We're

0:53:46.458 --> 0:53:48.738
<v Speaker 1>gonna play a lot of bass, so we're stout up front.

0:53:48.898 --> 0:53:52.218
<v Speaker 1>You can't run on us. Then you need quicker linebackers

0:53:52.218 --> 0:53:54.218
<v Speaker 1>because teams are gonna try to throw at that look,

0:53:54.418 --> 0:53:56.498
<v Speaker 1>and you need linebackers that can hold up in coverage.

0:53:56.578 --> 0:53:58.777
<v Speaker 1>So the linebackers that can hold up in coverage are

0:53:58.858 --> 0:54:02.338
<v Speaker 1>usually smaller. So you need guys that are overly physical

0:54:02.618 --> 0:54:05.418
<v Speaker 1>and play above their size. So maybe that's the new

0:54:05.418 --> 0:54:08.498
<v Speaker 1>Patriots linebacker. Now what I just described is a very

0:54:08.578 --> 0:54:11.378
<v Speaker 1>very very good play like, yeah, everybody, Oh yeah, this

0:54:11.418 --> 0:54:13.898
<v Speaker 1>guy's really quick and he plays physically like I just

0:54:14.018 --> 0:54:16.058
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's a great player. Those guys aren't easy

0:54:16.098 --> 0:54:18.258
<v Speaker 1>to find, and it's probably as much a developmental thing

0:54:18.378 --> 0:54:21.298
<v Speaker 1>is just drafting them. But if they want to play bass,

0:54:21.298 --> 0:54:24.178
<v Speaker 1>like again, you need guys that can hold their own coverage.

0:54:24.258 --> 0:54:25.938
<v Speaker 2>Okay, take us home with special teams.

0:54:26.058 --> 0:54:28.618
<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, this was not a great special teams game.

0:54:28.898 --> 0:54:31.418
<v Speaker 1>They set up Joey Sli for a forty five yard

0:54:31.418 --> 0:54:35.258
<v Speaker 1>field goal. He jinks that you had a chank ish

0:54:35.578 --> 0:54:40.738
<v Speaker 1>from Bryce Beringer after they watched another end of half situation.

0:54:41.858 --> 0:54:45.098
<v Speaker 1>And I still don't know what happened on that first

0:54:45.098 --> 0:54:48.978
<v Speaker 1>punt where Malik Washington it's not a fair catch. He's

0:54:49.018 --> 0:54:51.458
<v Speaker 1>just telling people to get away and schoolers like standing

0:54:51.538 --> 0:54:55.578
<v Speaker 1>right next to him. It doesn't tackle him. Yeah yeah, yeah,

0:54:55.898 --> 0:55:01.538
<v Speaker 1>just no massive f ups. But there were enough hiccups

0:55:01.538 --> 0:55:02.218
<v Speaker 1>that had stood out.

0:55:02.338 --> 0:55:05.018
<v Speaker 2>So basically what we're saying is that this entire game

0:55:05.138 --> 0:55:06.418
<v Speaker 2>was let's just burn the tame.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've been using the Jets game, the first Jets game,

0:55:10.578 --> 0:55:13.258
<v Speaker 1>as a barometer for especially when it comes to the

0:55:13.298 --> 0:55:15.418
<v Speaker 1>coaching staff, as like the worst game of the year,

0:55:16.058 --> 0:55:18.377
<v Speaker 1>and I think they've passed that because the Jets game.

0:55:18.418 --> 0:55:20.178
<v Speaker 1>Not to make excuses, but it was a short week

0:55:20.218 --> 0:55:21.978
<v Speaker 1>and we talked about that. Yeah, it's gonna be tough

0:55:21.978 --> 0:55:23.978
<v Speaker 1>with the coaching staff on their first ever short week.

0:55:24.178 --> 0:55:26.178
<v Speaker 1>You had a full week against a team you're used

0:55:26.218 --> 0:55:28.218
<v Speaker 1>to playing, you know what to expect. You aready played

0:55:28.258 --> 0:55:32.018
<v Speaker 1>him once this year and to come out looking at unprepared.

0:55:32.578 --> 0:55:34.817
<v Speaker 1>Rod Meyos talked about a lack of focus, which Tom

0:55:34.858 --> 0:55:38.658
<v Speaker 1>he goes back to preparation. There's no excuse for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm gonna rattle off my ups and downs because

0:55:41.138 --> 0:55:42.618
<v Speaker 2>you didn't do them, so we can just.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I know what they are written down.

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<v Speaker 2>So, uh my number I did one offense in one

0:55:49.098 --> 0:55:52.578
<v Speaker 2>defense because I wasn't giving them three for ups. Okay,

0:55:53.218 --> 0:55:55.138
<v Speaker 2>My number one up in this game on offense was

0:55:55.178 --> 0:55:57.538
<v Speaker 2>Mike on Winnu. I thought he was the only offensive

0:55:57.578 --> 0:55:59.978
<v Speaker 2>lineman that that had a good game in this game. Really,

0:56:00.018 --> 0:56:01.938
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, Ben Brown was fine, but they didn't

0:56:02.018 --> 0:56:04.938
<v Speaker 2>challenge him much. But I had Mike on Wnu.

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<v Speaker 1>With a hurry.

0:56:05.818 --> 0:56:07.858
<v Speaker 2>He did a call for a hold. That was his

0:56:07.938 --> 0:56:10.138
<v Speaker 2>one blemish I would say in this game. But he

0:56:10.178 --> 0:56:12.978
<v Speaker 2>had four standout run blocks. Like early on they actually

0:56:12.978 --> 0:56:15.538
<v Speaker 2>had some run game success. They just couldn't run the

0:56:15.578 --> 0:56:17.658
<v Speaker 2>ball because of the score and on when it was

0:56:17.698 --> 0:56:21.138
<v Speaker 2>moving people and it was doing some really standout work

0:56:21.698 --> 0:56:24.418
<v Speaker 2>in the run game. I thought last week was better.

0:56:24.898 --> 0:56:27.698
<v Speaker 2>This week was better again. So now that he's settled

0:56:27.738 --> 0:56:30.098
<v Speaker 2>back in at right guard, I think we're starting to

0:56:30.658 --> 0:56:32.698
<v Speaker 2>to go on a little bit of an upward trajectory

0:56:32.738 --> 0:56:34.458
<v Speaker 2>with big Mic, which is good to see.

0:56:34.898 --> 0:56:37.218
<v Speaker 1>I'll throw Ramondra Stevenson in there is an up Like

0:56:37.218 --> 0:56:40.738
<v Speaker 1>you said, they didn't run a ton, but he wasn't

0:56:40.818 --> 0:56:43.538
<v Speaker 1>running this way. He wasn't running this physically coming off

0:56:43.618 --> 0:56:46.297
<v Speaker 1>that foot injury. In the last two games, I think

0:56:46.298 --> 0:56:49.658
<v Speaker 1>he's gotten much back, much more in a form. He's

0:56:49.658 --> 0:56:51.418
<v Speaker 1>looking like the guy he looked like in September.

0:56:52.498 --> 0:56:54.978
<v Speaker 2>You so my number one up for the defense. My

0:56:55.058 --> 0:56:58.018
<v Speaker 2>only up for the defense, Anthony Jennings. They're One good

0:56:58.018 --> 0:56:59.578
<v Speaker 2>thing that they did in this game was stop the

0:56:59.618 --> 0:57:02.098
<v Speaker 2>run on either side of the football. I had him

0:57:02.138 --> 0:57:04.738
<v Speaker 2>for three stuffs in this game. Set the edge against

0:57:04.738 --> 0:57:06.498
<v Speaker 2>the team that wants to get to the edge in

0:57:06.538 --> 0:57:09.297
<v Speaker 2>the run game. Did a really nice job. Can't block

0:57:09.378 --> 0:57:10.858
<v Speaker 2>him with a tight end in the run game. They

0:57:10.898 --> 0:57:12.498
<v Speaker 2>tried to do that a couple times. It did not

0:57:12.578 --> 0:57:16.578
<v Speaker 2>go well for Miami. So even though he's another one

0:57:16.578 --> 0:57:18.818
<v Speaker 2>of these guys like we were talking about earlier, like

0:57:18.858 --> 0:57:21.818
<v Speaker 2>he's a role specific player. You don't want him on

0:57:21.858 --> 0:57:24.458
<v Speaker 2>the field on third down if you have a really

0:57:24.498 --> 0:57:27.578
<v Speaker 2>good pass rush. But in his role first and second

0:57:27.658 --> 0:57:29.698
<v Speaker 2>down defense, he's been.

0:57:29.698 --> 0:57:32.738
<v Speaker 1>Very good and among the best in the league at that. Yeah,

0:57:33.138 --> 0:57:36.178
<v Speaker 1>I'll go Christian Barmore. I kind of talked about it before.

0:57:36.258 --> 0:57:38.378
<v Speaker 1>Just having the sack, getting back to that point, I

0:57:38.378 --> 0:57:42.418
<v Speaker 1>think is an incredible accomplishment by him, by the medical

0:57:42.418 --> 0:57:46.378
<v Speaker 1>staff here, and you know, again I wish it. It

0:57:46.418 --> 0:57:48.258
<v Speaker 1>actually kind of came to a big ish moment in

0:57:48.298 --> 0:57:50.498
<v Speaker 1>the game because they get that stop that's at the

0:57:50.498 --> 0:57:52.218
<v Speaker 1>start of the half, and it's like, all right, you're

0:57:52.258 --> 0:57:54.778
<v Speaker 1>only down three scores, can you get a quick touchdown?

0:57:54.938 --> 0:57:58.618
<v Speaker 1>Didn't play out that way, but good for him forgetting

0:57:58.618 --> 0:57:59.978
<v Speaker 1>the sack. There are a couple of other times where he

0:58:00.018 --> 0:58:02.298
<v Speaker 1>sort of popped, like starting to win. He talked last

0:58:02.338 --> 0:58:04.458
<v Speaker 1>week after the game back needing to get back into

0:58:04.498 --> 0:58:07.378
<v Speaker 1>football shape, which takes a couple of weeks. I thought

0:58:07.418 --> 0:58:12.178
<v Speaker 1>he looked just like physically athletically, there was a big

0:58:12.258 --> 0:58:14.818
<v Speaker 1>jump from last week to this week, which is encouraging

0:58:14.858 --> 0:58:17.218
<v Speaker 1>because you know he's that much closer to getting back.

0:58:17.378 --> 0:58:19.098
<v Speaker 1>I don't think he's at one hundred percent right now.

0:58:19.218 --> 0:58:20.898
<v Speaker 1>I would expect him to be a one hundred percent,

0:58:21.258 --> 0:58:23.898
<v Speaker 1>but I think I don't know if you agree. I

0:58:23.938 --> 0:58:26.138
<v Speaker 1>think that there was a noticeable jump from last week

0:58:26.178 --> 0:58:26.898
<v Speaker 1>to this week.

0:58:26.818 --> 0:58:28.978
<v Speaker 2>Maybe a little bit in terms of his motor and

0:58:29.058 --> 0:58:32.978
<v Speaker 2>like his activity. I still don't see like the explosiveness

0:58:32.978 --> 0:58:36.018
<v Speaker 2>and power that we're used to seeing with Christian Barmore,

0:58:36.218 --> 0:58:40.258
<v Speaker 2>Like we're used to seeing Christian Barmore snap reaction right

0:58:40.258 --> 0:58:43.938
<v Speaker 2>into guys and just denting them. But it looked last week.

0:58:43.738 --> 0:58:45.978
<v Speaker 1>I guess like after each snap it looked like he'd

0:58:45.978 --> 0:58:47.818
<v Speaker 1>been on the field for forty and this week it

0:58:47.858 --> 0:58:49.698
<v Speaker 1>felt like a motor is a good way to put it.

0:58:49.778 --> 0:58:52.338
<v Speaker 1>Like snap to snap there was he was more competitive.

0:58:52.418 --> 0:58:55.498
<v Speaker 2>Okay, to the downs, that's all you get for ups. Yeah,

0:58:55.498 --> 0:58:58.138
<v Speaker 2>to the downs. Obviously, Kyle Duger was was number one.

0:58:59.018 --> 0:59:03.178
<v Speaker 2>We've already gone over that. Number two for me was

0:59:04.538 --> 0:59:06.738
<v Speaker 2>I really couldn't like I couldn't talk. I could have

0:59:06.738 --> 0:59:07.698
<v Speaker 2>abandoned this a whole list.

0:59:08.218 --> 0:59:10.578
<v Speaker 1>Sorry to go back. Christian zalz deserves. I mean, he

0:59:10.658 --> 0:59:11.138
<v Speaker 1>was really good.

0:59:11.338 --> 0:59:13.138
<v Speaker 2>He was really good. He was good.

0:59:13.378 --> 0:59:16.938
<v Speaker 1>He remember last year, Remember last year we had we

0:59:17.018 --> 0:59:18.778
<v Speaker 1>kind of just took Barmore out of ups and downs

0:59:18.778 --> 0:59:21.098
<v Speaker 1>because he was just every week. I think Christian Zalez

0:59:21.298 --> 0:59:23.858
<v Speaker 1>is just like we're putting him in the Yeah, he

0:59:23.898 --> 0:59:24.498
<v Speaker 1>was really good.

0:59:24.818 --> 0:59:27.218
<v Speaker 2>You know, they obviously threw away from him, and teams

0:59:27.258 --> 0:59:28.698
<v Speaker 2>are just gonna continue to do that.

0:59:28.858 --> 0:59:30.818
<v Speaker 1>And why would you Why would you.

0:59:30.818 --> 0:59:33.218
<v Speaker 2>Test Christian Gonzales when you could just test a linebacker

0:59:33.378 --> 0:59:37.018
<v Speaker 2>right exactly safety on this Patriots defense. So Kyle Dugger

0:59:37.178 --> 0:59:41.858
<v Speaker 2>was number one down. Number two down was the mantre

0:59:41.978 --> 0:59:44.058
<v Speaker 2>Jacobs Vederien Lowe and Michael Jordan.

0:59:44.098 --> 0:59:45.898
<v Speaker 1>You're ready for these two numbers.

0:59:46.338 --> 0:59:50.178
<v Speaker 2>The three of those Patriots offensive lineman allowed five sacks

0:59:50.258 --> 0:59:55.938
<v Speaker 2>and sixteen quarterback pressures in this game combined sixteen one

0:59:56.098 --> 0:59:59.978
<v Speaker 2>six between three guys on the offensive line. All three

1:00:00.018 --> 1:00:04.498
<v Speaker 2>of them struggled bigly in this game with different things,

1:00:04.858 --> 1:00:08.098
<v Speaker 2>and so I put all three of them together on

1:00:08.138 --> 1:00:08.858
<v Speaker 2>the downs list.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would have had the tackles. I guess you

1:00:11.738 --> 1:00:13.578
<v Speaker 1>want to throw Jordan in there too. But that was

1:00:14.938 --> 1:00:16.818
<v Speaker 1>as bad tackle play as you're going to see, is

1:00:16.818 --> 1:00:18.218
<v Speaker 1>that right up there? I mean, we'll all remember that

1:00:18.258 --> 1:00:20.338
<v Speaker 1>Eagles practice, right, that's kind of what we saw at

1:00:20.338 --> 1:00:21.258
<v Speaker 1>the Eagles practice. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even include the nine penalties on the offensive

1:00:24.098 --> 1:00:26.738
<v Speaker 2>line too. I probably the penalties probably could.

1:00:26.578 --> 1:00:28.858
<v Speaker 1>Have and how about it, And it wasn't on the

1:00:28.858 --> 1:00:32.018
<v Speaker 1>offensive line, an offensive off sides or offensive neutral zone

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<v Speaker 1>in fraction. Yeah, Like that's when you know, like and

1:00:34.498 --> 1:00:36.538
<v Speaker 1>that's on coaching again, but that's when you know you're

1:00:36.578 --> 1:00:37.498
<v Speaker 1>just not ready to play.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, really quickly because we got we got a rail here. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>number three down for me this one. I don't feel

1:00:44.178 --> 1:00:48.218
<v Speaker 2>like we're not talking about enough. Kishon Boody ran, that's

1:00:48.258 --> 1:00:50.538
<v Speaker 2>a good one. Ran thirty four routes in this game

1:00:50.578 --> 1:00:52.258
<v Speaker 2>and caught one pass for six yards.

1:00:52.378 --> 1:00:55.498
<v Speaker 1>He has fallen off the last couple of weeks. It

1:00:55.578 --> 1:00:57.538
<v Speaker 1>was nice to see him get going. And I'm not

1:00:57.578 --> 1:00:59.898
<v Speaker 1>saying he can't get back to it. But this was

1:00:59.938 --> 1:01:02.018
<v Speaker 1>his big problem going back to when he got here

1:01:02.098 --> 1:01:04.898
<v Speaker 1>last year. In his first training camp consistency. He would

1:01:04.938 --> 1:01:07.698
<v Speaker 1>flash for windows and then he would disappear for windows.

1:01:07.738 --> 1:01:10.098
<v Speaker 1>Now he had about as long six stay and success

1:01:10.098 --> 1:01:13.218
<v Speaker 1>as we've seen from him, but we're starting to see

1:01:13.258 --> 1:01:15.298
<v Speaker 1>him fade back the other way and you see the

1:01:15.338 --> 1:01:17.858
<v Speaker 1>impact on the offense. Drake May has had some of

1:01:17.858 --> 1:01:19.178
<v Speaker 1>his lowest average depth to target.

1:01:19.258 --> 1:01:21.338
<v Speaker 2>They don't. They don't have an X receiver like they don't.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to go down the field.

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<v Speaker 2>He's literally their starting X receiver and they get no

1:01:26.498 --> 1:01:27.538
<v Speaker 2>production out of that spot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that might be tie. I know we've has

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<v Speaker 1>not like a broken record with so it might be

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<v Speaker 1>time to give Chavon Baker more of a look. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think that's gonna happen, but it might be time.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So that's gonna do it for this week's

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<v Speaker 2>show and next week on Thursday of next week, back

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<v Speaker 2>to normal time, the full two hours, and I got

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<v Speaker 2>some homework to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you're excited, so these tweet at it. He

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't think Ursery is worth watching for just the first

1:01:51.498 --> 1:01:54.618
<v Speaker 1>round discussion. It's a fifth guy. I'm asking you to

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<v Speaker 1>watch a fifth guy. You watch him against Penn State,

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<v Speaker 1>and you also get to watch a little ailing there.

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<v Speaker 2>I have. I can't spend my entire bye week watching film.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta take a little bit of a break. I

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<v Speaker 2>could give you a list of ten guys one guy

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<v Speaker 2>some time off during the bye week, so I am

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<v Speaker 2>going to watch a handful of guys. I've already started

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<v Speaker 2>Will Campbell today, who was just terrific. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have time to go unpack it, but this

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<v Speaker 2>was the take from the beginning of the show with

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<v Speaker 2>that guy is just excellent. Like if his arms are

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<v Speaker 2>thirty three inches plus, I'm running the car up, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>running the Dane card up. That guy was phenomenal, phenomenal player.

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<v Speaker 1>Campbell, Banks, Ersery, McMillan, Hunter.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So next Thursday, since we don't have a game

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about that they're going to be playing in

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<v Speaker 2>that week, we will discuss my preliminary list, my wish

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<v Speaker 2>list for the Patriots in the first round of the

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<v Speaker 2>NFL Draft. Love it, love it. So we'll see you

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<v Speaker 2>guys then. Signing off Alex bart Evan Lazarre, Happy Thanksgiving everybody,

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