1 00:00:34,378 --> 00:00:37,738 Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan 2 00:00:37,818 --> 00:00:41,577 Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar Blazar and Lazarren. 3 00:00:41,658 --> 00:00:44,537 Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it. He joined us always by our. 4 00:00:48,617 --> 00:00:52,017 Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Barr better like on 5 00:00:52,138 --> 00:00:53,417 Speaker 1: what relative to what? 6 00:00:54,058 --> 00:00:56,778 Speaker 2: To them? If you said, who's a better baseball player? 7 00:00:56,818 --> 00:00:56,978 Speaker 1: Show? 8 00:00:57,818 --> 00:01:00,858 Speaker 2: Baby, I'm telling the show who's a better baseball player? 9 00:01:01,098 --> 00:01:02,978 Speaker 1: Babe? Ruth Bob at Dolbeck. 10 00:01:02,778 --> 00:01:11,337 Speaker 2: Hey, Patriots fan cat begins at the top of the show. 11 00:01:11,618 --> 00:01:13,738 Speaker 2: We got those out of the way, We're gonna get 12 00:01:13,858 --> 00:01:16,098 Speaker 2: right into it. We did get into a conversation that 13 00:01:16,178 --> 00:01:17,738 Speaker 2: Alice is dying to talk about. 14 00:01:18,738 --> 00:01:22,498 Speaker 1: Should not believe the take? He says he'll give it 15 00:01:22,497 --> 00:01:23,337 Speaker 1: next week, So I'm not. 16 00:01:23,978 --> 00:01:27,577 Speaker 2: I gotta scandalous, bar, I gotta watch a little bit more. Okay, 17 00:01:28,018 --> 00:01:30,337 Speaker 2: all right, So full disclosure. I didn't want to do 18 00:01:30,337 --> 00:01:31,938 Speaker 2: this at the top. I was gonna tease this at 19 00:01:31,937 --> 00:01:34,058 Speaker 2: the end, but might as well because now everybody's just 20 00:01:34,098 --> 00:01:35,458 Speaker 2: gonna be like, well, I'm not gonna listen to this show. 21 00:01:35,498 --> 00:01:38,137 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna wait till next week. So my bye 22 00:01:38,138 --> 00:01:41,418 Speaker 2: week project is that I am going to watch as 23 00:01:41,458 --> 00:01:43,697 Speaker 2: many of the top guys at the top of the 24 00:01:43,777 --> 00:01:46,578 Speaker 2: draft as I possibly can, because I know people on 25 00:01:46,618 --> 00:01:49,418 Speaker 2: our show, they listen to our show for our draft takes. 26 00:01:49,418 --> 00:01:51,738 Speaker 2: You're obviously always ahead of me at this point of 27 00:01:51,778 --> 00:01:54,258 Speaker 2: the season, and they want to hear what I have 28 00:01:54,298 --> 00:01:56,898 Speaker 2: to say about the top of the draft. So today 29 00:01:58,218 --> 00:02:01,578 Speaker 2: it's a monumental day. It's it's really this is right 30 00:02:01,618 --> 00:02:03,178 Speaker 2: in the heart of Catch twenty two. So I got 31 00:02:03,178 --> 00:02:07,458 Speaker 2: to bring this up. It's a monumental day. When I 32 00:02:07,538 --> 00:02:11,218 Speaker 2: go on my computer and I make the folder on 33 00:02:11,298 --> 00:02:15,178 Speaker 2: my desktop twenty twenty five NFL Show and get it right, 34 00:02:15,218 --> 00:02:19,178 Speaker 2: it's like it's literally, you know, you should really you know, 35 00:02:19,218 --> 00:02:22,778 Speaker 2: I kind of feel like in Cristification when he goes 36 00:02:22,817 --> 00:02:24,897 Speaker 2: and he plugs the lights in, they do the drum roll, 37 00:02:25,178 --> 00:02:28,377 Speaker 2: Like that's exactly what it feels like for me when 38 00:02:28,578 --> 00:02:31,858 Speaker 2: the draft not only the older on the desktop, but 39 00:02:31,898 --> 00:02:35,778 Speaker 2: then he got the spreadsheet and everything starts rolling. So 40 00:02:35,858 --> 00:02:38,058 Speaker 2: today and we can get to the take maybe at 41 00:02:38,058 --> 00:02:40,618 Speaker 2: the end of the show if we have time. I 42 00:02:40,698 --> 00:02:44,778 Speaker 2: downloaded the very first game of LSU. 43 00:02:44,858 --> 00:02:46,657 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, don't say who it is, save that. 44 00:02:46,578 --> 00:02:51,018 Speaker 2: To LSU's offense to watch one Will Campbell and start 45 00:02:51,058 --> 00:02:53,018 Speaker 2: this thing off a little bit here. We gotta get 46 00:02:53,018 --> 00:02:56,498 Speaker 2: it rolling, and it's a little disappointing I think all 47 00:02:56,538 --> 00:02:59,218 Speaker 2: of us just to segue this right into the not 48 00:02:59,458 --> 00:03:04,058 Speaker 2: Will Campbell is just clear, no, no, but to get 49 00:03:04,178 --> 00:03:07,778 Speaker 2: to segue this into what's currently happening with the Patriots. 50 00:03:08,538 --> 00:03:10,218 Speaker 2: It is definitely. 51 00:03:10,818 --> 00:03:15,418 Speaker 1: Sad that now, for what the last at least two years, 52 00:03:15,458 --> 00:03:17,298 Speaker 1: I would say, I mean twenty two they had his 53 00:03:17,377 --> 00:03:20,378 Speaker 1: football season, so I wouldn't say twenty two counts, but 54 00:03:20,498 --> 00:03:21,738 Speaker 1: for the last two years. 55 00:03:22,738 --> 00:03:27,618 Speaker 2: Last year I watched the very first Drake May tape 56 00:03:28,338 --> 00:03:34,578 Speaker 2: was the Pittsburgh game that Thursday night, Pittsburgh game. I 57 00:03:34,618 --> 00:03:37,538 Speaker 2: watched the very first Drake May tape on Thursday before 58 00:03:37,578 --> 00:03:39,538 Speaker 2: the game. So that's what I believe. 59 00:03:39,658 --> 00:03:42,418 Speaker 1: Was Week fourteen, I want to say, yeah, it's like 60 00:03:42,498 --> 00:03:43,338 Speaker 1: right for Christmas. 61 00:03:43,498 --> 00:03:47,098 Speaker 2: So we're right, we're right in the same area Week thirteen, Week. 62 00:03:46,938 --> 00:03:48,857 Speaker 1: Four you know, it was the week of Army Navy 63 00:03:48,858 --> 00:03:50,818 Speaker 1: because's why they're playing on Thursday night. So first week 64 00:03:50,818 --> 00:03:51,338 Speaker 1: in December. 65 00:03:51,418 --> 00:03:53,738 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're right in the same area that I 66 00:03:53,818 --> 00:03:54,898 Speaker 2: started watching draft. 67 00:03:54,938 --> 00:03:56,858 Speaker 1: Did you watch Drake before you watch Jane Daniels? 68 00:03:56,938 --> 00:03:59,498 Speaker 2: Uh No, I watched him in order. I watched Caleb 69 00:03:59,578 --> 00:04:01,978 Speaker 2: Jayden Drake. I thank and so. 70 00:04:01,938 --> 00:04:04,858 Speaker 1: You'd already started that, Yeah, yeah, and uh, you know 71 00:04:07,018 --> 00:04:09,018 Speaker 1: it's not it's not what I want to be doing. 72 00:04:09,378 --> 00:04:11,338 Speaker 1: I love the draft. Well, we both love the drafts. 73 00:04:11,338 --> 00:04:12,298 Speaker 1: I shouldn't say it like that. 74 00:04:12,458 --> 00:04:15,578 Speaker 2: I don't know. I'd much rather be focused on the 75 00:04:15,658 --> 00:04:18,177 Speaker 2: NEP and what's happening with the Patriots right now. I 76 00:04:18,498 --> 00:04:22,778 Speaker 2: absolutely would, and unfortunately we're just not in that place 77 00:04:23,418 --> 00:04:25,698 Speaker 2: right now as a team. But before we get into 78 00:04:25,738 --> 00:04:27,777 Speaker 2: all of that, I do want to say a couple 79 00:04:27,778 --> 00:04:30,058 Speaker 2: of things here off the top about today's show. So 80 00:04:30,097 --> 00:04:33,418 Speaker 2: we're all on for an hour. Because of Thanksgiving on Thursday, 81 00:04:33,858 --> 00:04:36,058 Speaker 2: the whole week has kind of been flipped upside down 82 00:04:36,097 --> 00:04:38,338 Speaker 2: this week here, so they're trying to cram a lot 83 00:04:38,337 --> 00:04:40,778 Speaker 2: of things in so that everybody can take the day 84 00:04:40,818 --> 00:04:43,657 Speaker 2: off on Thursday, as we should. So we're here for 85 00:04:43,738 --> 00:04:46,938 Speaker 2: an hour. We're gonna try to take maybe some calls 86 00:04:46,977 --> 00:04:48,698 Speaker 2: at the end, but I'm gonna tell you right now, 87 00:04:48,737 --> 00:04:50,657 Speaker 2: we might not get the calls. So I just want 88 00:04:50,658 --> 00:04:53,778 Speaker 2: to warn everybody off the bat right there. I'll be quick, 89 00:04:53,898 --> 00:04:56,618 Speaker 2: and we have a few ad reads that I want 90 00:04:56,658 --> 00:04:58,698 Speaker 2: to get to, just to get these out of the way, 91 00:04:58,818 --> 00:05:03,497 Speaker 2: So attention Pats Nation. The most nail biting action film. 92 00:05:03,498 --> 00:05:04,217 Speaker 1: Of the season. 93 00:05:04,337 --> 00:05:10,057 Speaker 2: Carry On, starring Tarn Egerton, Sophie Carson, and Jason Bateman. 94 00:05:10,097 --> 00:05:12,938 Speaker 2: I know Jason Bateman, good actor. 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Just didn't really 111 00:06:12,577 --> 00:06:15,898 Speaker 2: seem like on paper they sized up very well against Miami. 112 00:06:16,418 --> 00:06:18,978 Speaker 2: A lot of you know, issues in the middle of 113 00:06:18,977 --> 00:06:23,258 Speaker 2: the field, particularly, I felt like linebackers, safety's speed for 114 00:06:23,337 --> 00:06:25,858 Speaker 2: the Dolphins scheme. I mean, those things all kind of 115 00:06:25,977 --> 00:06:28,017 Speaker 2: came to Roost. I think the biggest thing though, that 116 00:06:28,097 --> 00:06:31,378 Speaker 2: came to Roost is this offensive line, and we've talked 117 00:06:31,418 --> 00:06:33,618 Speaker 2: about it. I've gassed up a little bit how they've 118 00:06:33,658 --> 00:06:36,657 Speaker 2: been able to hold this thing together with duct tape 119 00:06:36,698 --> 00:06:39,978 Speaker 2: for a while here with Drake May and at least 120 00:06:40,178 --> 00:06:44,818 Speaker 2: mitigate by coaching around it. Obviously, with Drake having him 121 00:06:44,857 --> 00:06:47,577 Speaker 2: back there changes a lot ball comes out quicker, more 122 00:06:47,618 --> 00:06:51,018 Speaker 2: athletic quarterback. But with all that being said, the Chickens 123 00:06:51,058 --> 00:06:54,978 Speaker 2: came home to roost on Sunday with the penalties, the 124 00:06:55,058 --> 00:06:58,778 Speaker 2: execution forty two percent pressure rate on May in this game. 125 00:06:58,818 --> 00:07:00,898 Speaker 2: And I want to get into some of the nitty 126 00:07:00,898 --> 00:07:03,938 Speaker 2: gritty details about how the Dolphins did it, but just 127 00:07:03,977 --> 00:07:06,458 Speaker 2: in general, this felt like one of those games where 128 00:07:07,097 --> 00:07:09,338 Speaker 2: we knew that this was a team that was far 129 00:07:09,378 --> 00:07:12,258 Speaker 2: away and all the issues that we know exist all 130 00:07:12,338 --> 00:07:13,778 Speaker 2: kind of came to play in one game. 131 00:07:13,938 --> 00:07:16,218 Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of the Dolphins strengths match up 132 00:07:16,258 --> 00:07:19,218 Speaker 1: with the Patriots weaknesses. I mean you look right there 133 00:07:19,258 --> 00:07:23,738 Speaker 1: on the line and Chop Robinson, who's was one of 134 00:07:23,737 --> 00:07:25,818 Speaker 1: their top draft picks and has been a good player 135 00:07:25,818 --> 00:07:27,898 Speaker 1: for them this year, going up against the Patriots weakness 136 00:07:28,058 --> 00:07:30,338 Speaker 1: it a tackle. The Dolphins have these great wide receivers. 137 00:07:30,538 --> 00:07:33,338 Speaker 1: We talked last week about the depth at the secondary 138 00:07:33,418 --> 00:07:37,138 Speaker 1: being a question and that got exposed again on Sunday. So, uh, 139 00:07:37,458 --> 00:07:40,338 Speaker 1: tough matchup. You know, it hurts because so much of 140 00:07:40,378 --> 00:07:43,658 Speaker 1: would beat them last week against the Rams came back 141 00:07:43,698 --> 00:07:45,378 Speaker 1: to haunt them. You thought you might see a wrinkler 142 00:07:45,418 --> 00:07:48,018 Speaker 1: or two to adjust. It's it's a you know again, 143 00:07:48,058 --> 00:07:50,378 Speaker 1: a system they just in. Drod Mayo talked about this 144 00:07:50,418 --> 00:07:52,218 Speaker 1: after the game. Similar system to the one that just 145 00:07:52,258 --> 00:07:54,658 Speaker 1: beat them. It's also a team they're familiar with, Like 146 00:07:54,737 --> 00:07:56,618 Speaker 1: this is the same Dolphins team that you know. It's 147 00:07:56,658 --> 00:07:58,497 Speaker 1: a new coaching staff, but these guys on the defensive 148 00:07:58,498 --> 00:08:01,617 Speaker 1: side of the ball have been preparing for for pretty 149 00:08:01,658 --> 00:08:03,778 Speaker 1: much or however long they've been here. Right, McDaniel's been 150 00:08:03,818 --> 00:08:05,698 Speaker 1: there since what twenty two, I think it was his 151 00:08:05,698 --> 00:08:07,498 Speaker 1: first year twenty one, twenty two, I want to say 152 00:08:07,498 --> 00:08:09,258 Speaker 1: twenty one. Yeah, so it's been a few years now, 153 00:08:09,298 --> 00:08:10,858 Speaker 1: where like you kind of have an idea of what 154 00:08:10,898 --> 00:08:15,218 Speaker 1: this offense is for Miami. So just from just about 155 00:08:15,218 --> 00:08:16,658 Speaker 1: any angle you want to look at it not what 156 00:08:16,698 --> 00:08:18,658 Speaker 1: you're looking for. I'd say, you know, Christian bar I 157 00:08:18,977 --> 00:08:21,338 Speaker 1: almost feel bad because, like Christian Barmore sacked, that's an 158 00:08:21,378 --> 00:08:24,338 Speaker 1: incredible achievement for a guy that was told that he 159 00:08:24,418 --> 00:08:27,258 Speaker 1: might never play again to come back just within months 160 00:08:27,458 --> 00:08:28,978 Speaker 1: and get a sack. I wish it game in a 161 00:08:28,977 --> 00:08:31,218 Speaker 1: better game. You're right, so it could get to McDaniel, 162 00:08:31,458 --> 00:08:34,218 Speaker 1: it could get a little more applause. But you know, 163 00:08:34,258 --> 00:08:36,618 Speaker 1: outside of that, just really not what you're looking for. 164 00:08:36,898 --> 00:08:38,738 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think all of us would like to just 165 00:08:38,818 --> 00:08:42,618 Speaker 2: see this team on an upward trajectory, not necessarily even 166 00:08:42,618 --> 00:08:45,578 Speaker 2: wins and losses, almost just eye tests and just feel 167 00:08:46,098 --> 00:08:49,218 Speaker 2: for how this team looks. And it felt like for 168 00:08:49,658 --> 00:08:51,778 Speaker 2: the last month or so, you know, going back to 169 00:08:51,818 --> 00:08:53,898 Speaker 2: that win against the Jets, but you have the Jets, 170 00:08:54,178 --> 00:08:56,977 Speaker 2: you have an overtime loss to the Titans, you have 171 00:08:57,418 --> 00:09:01,258 Speaker 2: a nice win there in Chicago, and then a competitive 172 00:09:01,258 --> 00:09:04,338 Speaker 2: loss I would call it against the Rams. It felt 173 00:09:04,377 --> 00:09:09,138 Speaker 2: like they were at least playing competitive, competent football in 174 00:09:09,218 --> 00:09:12,538 Speaker 2: those weeks. For the most part, we certainly broke down 175 00:09:12,977 --> 00:09:17,018 Speaker 2: some coaching miscues in Tennessee, mainly, I would say with 176 00:09:17,137 --> 00:09:19,497 Speaker 2: the wind and you know, all that kind of stuff 177 00:09:19,538 --> 00:09:22,978 Speaker 2: like that wasn't a great performance down in Nashville, but 178 00:09:23,017 --> 00:09:24,938 Speaker 2: at least they got it the overtime and it was 179 00:09:24,977 --> 00:09:28,418 Speaker 2: competitive and Drake May had his moments. All we're looking 180 00:09:28,458 --> 00:09:31,737 Speaker 2: for is that upward trajectory and that feeling that they're 181 00:09:31,737 --> 00:09:35,537 Speaker 2: making progress and they're getting better. And this certainly felt 182 00:09:35,538 --> 00:09:39,338 Speaker 2: like a Category five hurricane down in Miami where all 183 00:09:39,377 --> 00:09:41,698 Speaker 2: of that just went out the door with all the 184 00:09:41,778 --> 00:09:44,618 Speaker 2: different issues. But I think the football minutia that I 185 00:09:44,658 --> 00:09:47,857 Speaker 2: wanted to talk about one of the biggest things that 186 00:09:49,017 --> 00:09:52,297 Speaker 2: I took away from this game. And I get the 187 00:09:53,178 --> 00:09:57,138 Speaker 2: penalties on the offensive line, you can't just throw that out. 188 00:09:57,178 --> 00:09:59,618 Speaker 2: We were just talking about this actually with Campbell and 189 00:09:59,617 --> 00:10:02,017 Speaker 2: how much we care about the false starts that he's 190 00:10:02,058 --> 00:10:05,258 Speaker 2: been called for. The penalty is you can't just throw 191 00:10:05,298 --> 00:10:08,178 Speaker 2: out like that's part of the equation, that's part of details, 192 00:10:08,218 --> 00:10:11,098 Speaker 2: that's part of being buttoned up and being ready to go. 193 00:10:11,617 --> 00:10:13,778 Speaker 2: But at the same time, I do want to talk 194 00:10:13,778 --> 00:10:17,818 Speaker 2: about the actual execution once the ball was properly snapped 195 00:10:17,977 --> 00:10:20,858 Speaker 2: and they weren't false starting or whatever the case may be. 196 00:10:21,458 --> 00:10:23,898 Speaker 2: And one of the big things that I've seen on 197 00:10:24,017 --> 00:10:25,737 Speaker 2: film over the last two weeks and some of this 198 00:10:25,898 --> 00:10:29,618 Speaker 2: is I would say, from a Rams perspective, this is 199 00:10:29,698 --> 00:10:31,938 Speaker 2: just sort of how they play off a defense like this. 200 00:10:32,098 --> 00:10:34,418 Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that what they did against the Patriots 201 00:10:35,137 --> 00:10:38,578 Speaker 2: was all that surprising, and that to me is why 202 00:10:39,257 --> 00:10:41,778 Speaker 2: when the Rams blitzed Drake May, we had a lot 203 00:10:41,818 --> 00:10:45,538 Speaker 2: of really positive clips to show from that game of 204 00:10:45,617 --> 00:10:48,098 Speaker 2: Drake May beating the Blitz. Obviously, the crosser to Pop 205 00:10:48,137 --> 00:10:51,698 Speaker 2: Douglas was probably the number one throw against the blitz, 206 00:10:51,737 --> 00:10:54,258 Speaker 2: but it felt like in that game they were prepared 207 00:10:54,298 --> 00:10:57,538 Speaker 2: to see the Blitz and they prepared for this exotic, 208 00:10:57,658 --> 00:11:00,818 Speaker 2: you know, aggressive Rams defense with a really great pass rush. 209 00:11:00,977 --> 00:11:04,138 Speaker 2: And we praised a VP last week for their plan 210 00:11:04,578 --> 00:11:06,417 Speaker 2: to get the ball out of Drake's hands and how 211 00:11:06,418 --> 00:11:08,497 Speaker 2: to beat that pressure and all that kind of stuff. 212 00:11:08,977 --> 00:11:11,738 Speaker 2: I kind of felt like this week against Miami that 213 00:11:11,857 --> 00:11:14,698 Speaker 2: it took them by surprise how much they they tried 214 00:11:14,737 --> 00:11:17,218 Speaker 2: to heat up Drake and tried to blitz him, and 215 00:11:17,298 --> 00:11:20,338 Speaker 2: I don't necessarily know if that was what they anticipated 216 00:11:20,377 --> 00:11:22,257 Speaker 2: on the game plan. So this sort of goes back 217 00:11:22,298 --> 00:11:24,257 Speaker 2: to one of the coaching things that we talk about 218 00:11:24,298 --> 00:11:26,857 Speaker 2: a lot, adjusting. You know, during the game, you know 219 00:11:26,857 --> 00:11:28,857 Speaker 2: when you see that this is how they were going 220 00:11:28,898 --> 00:11:30,818 Speaker 2: to try to play him. They blitzed him fear teen 221 00:11:30,857 --> 00:11:32,818 Speaker 2: times in this game, and they had a lot of 222 00:11:32,818 --> 00:11:35,338 Speaker 2: success with it. So if you see that this is 223 00:11:35,377 --> 00:11:37,458 Speaker 2: what they're doing and this is sort of their plan 224 00:11:37,578 --> 00:11:40,938 Speaker 2: once that game declares, then you need to adjust to 225 00:11:40,977 --> 00:11:45,458 Speaker 2: it and adjust quickly. But the problem was and coinciding 226 00:11:45,497 --> 00:11:47,297 Speaker 2: with the fact that I think they got taken a 227 00:11:47,298 --> 00:11:51,178 Speaker 2: little bit by surprise by the aggressiveness of the Dolphins defense. 228 00:11:51,617 --> 00:11:53,617 Speaker 2: You give up twenty four straight points in the second 229 00:11:53,698 --> 00:11:56,698 Speaker 2: quarter and then it's blouses, right, So even if they 230 00:11:56,737 --> 00:11:58,898 Speaker 2: go into halftime and make adjustments, it's kind of too 231 00:11:58,977 --> 00:12:03,458 Speaker 2: late at that point. But just starting there with the blitzes, 232 00:12:03,458 --> 00:12:05,098 Speaker 2: then I want to break down some of the things 233 00:12:05,178 --> 00:12:08,858 Speaker 2: I saw in the film with why they struggled against it. 234 00:12:08,898 --> 00:12:11,377 Speaker 2: To me, it's just another thing with this coaching staff 235 00:12:11,458 --> 00:12:14,377 Speaker 2: that I have noticed, and that is when they go 236 00:12:14,458 --> 00:12:17,377 Speaker 2: into games and they have a good plan and they 237 00:12:17,418 --> 00:12:19,898 Speaker 2: sort of get what they're expecting and what they practice 238 00:12:19,938 --> 00:12:22,978 Speaker 2: against all week. You see some good things from this 239 00:12:23,058 --> 00:12:25,377 Speaker 2: team on both sides of the ball, but when they 240 00:12:25,377 --> 00:12:27,418 Speaker 2: go into a game with a bad game plan, it 241 00:12:27,578 --> 00:12:30,098 Speaker 2: just kind of it's just going to be a bad game. 242 00:12:30,298 --> 00:12:34,458 Speaker 2: There's no adjustments and there's no real you know, counter 243 00:12:34,538 --> 00:12:37,458 Speaker 2: punch er plan B when things don't go right. 244 00:12:37,458 --> 00:12:39,617 Speaker 1: And specifically when it comes to those blitz az Drake 245 00:12:39,658 --> 00:12:44,458 Speaker 1: May talked about this this morning, was blitzing from blitzing corners, 246 00:12:44,497 --> 00:12:48,658 Speaker 1: blitzing safeties, blitzing from the second third level. And to 247 00:12:48,698 --> 00:12:51,578 Speaker 1: your point, there were a couple times in the first 248 00:12:51,578 --> 00:12:53,298 Speaker 1: half corners came in and I know there was one 249 00:12:53,698 --> 00:12:56,338 Speaker 1: earlier one where Jalen Ramsey came in unblocked. Nobody counted 250 00:12:56,377 --> 00:12:58,297 Speaker 1: for him, nobody saw it, and I think Drake May 251 00:12:58,298 --> 00:13:02,058 Speaker 1: threw it away, maybe he took the sack whatever. Ramsey 252 00:13:02,137 --> 00:13:06,417 Speaker 1: then comes in on a very similar look unblocked later 253 00:13:06,458 --> 00:13:08,458 Speaker 1: in the game, which is the play that leads to 254 00:13:08,497 --> 00:13:11,737 Speaker 1: the interception. Yeah, so that's it. And again Drake talked 255 00:13:11,737 --> 00:13:13,898 Speaker 1: about it this morning that he's seeing more of that now. 256 00:13:14,098 --> 00:13:15,857 Speaker 1: Teams are trying to get him to throw hot. Teams 257 00:13:15,857 --> 00:13:18,938 Speaker 1: are blitzing from unorthodox places in order to try to 258 00:13:18,938 --> 00:13:22,258 Speaker 1: catch him off guard, and that's something that you know 259 00:13:22,377 --> 00:13:24,458 Speaker 1: usually you look at, Okay, they're starting to bring corners, 260 00:13:24,538 --> 00:13:26,497 Speaker 1: let's leave the back end, let's be aware of this, 261 00:13:27,098 --> 00:13:29,978 Speaker 1: and that wasn't there. And you see that in real time, 262 00:13:30,017 --> 00:13:32,497 Speaker 1: you see it angibly where it leads to a turnover 263 00:13:32,497 --> 00:13:34,578 Speaker 1: because Jalen Ramsey on a look that had already beat 264 00:13:34,617 --> 00:13:36,578 Speaker 1: them once is allowed to replicate that. 265 00:13:37,058 --> 00:13:40,458 Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is gonna You're gonna love this because 266 00:13:41,137 --> 00:13:45,298 Speaker 2: this is exactly one of the besides the clock management, 267 00:13:45,418 --> 00:13:48,618 Speaker 2: game management stuff. Uh, this to me is exactly one 268 00:13:48,617 --> 00:13:51,977 Speaker 2: of your your critiques about these types of offenses, these 269 00:13:51,977 --> 00:13:55,098 Speaker 2: West Coast offenses. So I've gone a lot around the 270 00:13:55,137 --> 00:13:58,698 Speaker 2: locker room today actually and was asking around to guys 271 00:13:58,698 --> 00:14:00,778 Speaker 2: on the offensive side of the ball, like, how do 272 00:14:00,898 --> 00:14:05,338 Speaker 2: you guys handle blitz pressure because everybody does it a 273 00:14:05,377 --> 00:14:09,297 Speaker 2: little bit differently in terms of systems, right Like some 274 00:14:09,338 --> 00:14:11,738 Speaker 2: systems do it one way, other systems do it in another. 275 00:14:11,857 --> 00:14:14,578 Speaker 2: So I've seen a lot of this, and I myself 276 00:14:14,578 --> 00:14:18,977 Speaker 2: included hand up. I thought the same thing about, for example, 277 00:14:19,498 --> 00:14:21,338 Speaker 2: the throw over the middle of the field to pop 278 00:14:21,378 --> 00:14:25,978 Speaker 2: Douglas that that drake through behind Douglas. A lot of 279 00:14:26,018 --> 00:14:30,618 Speaker 2: people watch that and say, well, shouldn't Douglas settle here right, Like, 280 00:14:30,658 --> 00:14:33,938 Speaker 2: shouldn't he stop his route and settle down and kind 281 00:14:33,938 --> 00:14:36,818 Speaker 2: of sit down right there in the middle of the 282 00:14:37,458 --> 00:14:41,338 Speaker 2: of the field instead of continuing running the slant. There 283 00:14:41,418 --> 00:14:45,338 Speaker 2: was another play later on in the game where they 284 00:14:45,378 --> 00:14:48,498 Speaker 2: blitz two guys from the field, including the star, including 285 00:14:48,498 --> 00:14:52,818 Speaker 2: the nickel slot corner and Hunter. Henry has a crossing 286 00:14:52,898 --> 00:14:56,658 Speaker 2: route and he just runs the crossing route. So in 287 00:14:56,698 --> 00:15:01,698 Speaker 2: some offenses they would site adjust right, so like when 288 00:15:01,738 --> 00:15:05,578 Speaker 2: that blitz comes, the receiver there on that side of 289 00:15:05,618 --> 00:15:08,297 Speaker 2: the field, if you're lined up like just let's say 290 00:15:08,298 --> 00:15:11,657 Speaker 2: you're lined up in the slot and the slot corner blitzes, 291 00:15:12,138 --> 00:15:14,298 Speaker 2: you would just pop right up for the quarterback and 292 00:15:14,298 --> 00:15:15,938 Speaker 2: make yourself availableright. 293 00:15:15,378 --> 00:15:16,657 Speaker 1: Because you want to give him a chance. You want 294 00:15:16,658 --> 00:15:22,178 Speaker 1: to replace the blitz right exactly. So some offenses, like 295 00:15:22,258 --> 00:15:27,537 Speaker 1: the Patriots offenses of yesteryear with Josh McDaniels and Bill O'Brien, 296 00:15:27,938 --> 00:15:33,138 Speaker 1: would have programmed sight adjustments into those concepts that they 297 00:15:33,218 --> 00:15:39,378 Speaker 1: run to adjust the route to the pressure. In this offense, 298 00:15:40,418 --> 00:15:46,378 Speaker 1: they have one route that's predetermined before the ball is 299 00:15:46,418 --> 00:15:49,458 Speaker 1: even snapped based off the concept that is the quote 300 00:15:49,538 --> 00:15:54,258 Speaker 1: unquote hot route, right, So it doesn't adjust, is my point. 301 00:15:54,538 --> 00:15:59,417 Speaker 2: So they don't run quite as much conversion side adjustment 302 00:16:00,018 --> 00:16:03,978 Speaker 2: or like option style plays like that where you might 303 00:16:04,058 --> 00:16:07,218 Speaker 2: see that in the Josh McDaniels, Bill O'Brien, Charlie Weiss 304 00:16:07,218 --> 00:16:10,578 Speaker 2: offense to Patriots don't do that anymore in this West 305 00:16:10,618 --> 00:16:13,498 Speaker 2: Coast system. So to kind of unpack that even further 306 00:16:14,018 --> 00:16:16,018 Speaker 2: last year in the Super Bowl, because this isn't just 307 00:16:16,058 --> 00:16:19,098 Speaker 2: about like the Patriots and Drake May and Alex Van 308 00:16:19,138 --> 00:16:22,098 Speaker 2: Pelt and you're gonna love this. Last year in the 309 00:16:22,138 --> 00:16:26,898 Speaker 2: Super Bowl, Steve Spagnolo blitz the crap out of rock Party, 310 00:16:27,058 --> 00:16:29,818 Speaker 2: right like that was sort of the game plan from 311 00:16:29,898 --> 00:16:32,578 Speaker 2: Kansas City was to just heat up Purty and just 312 00:16:32,658 --> 00:16:36,498 Speaker 2: blitz blitz splitz. And the reason why Spagnolo did that 313 00:16:37,338 --> 00:16:42,258 Speaker 2: is because he knew that Kyle Shanahan in this offense, 314 00:16:42,618 --> 00:16:45,218 Speaker 2: they were just gonna run the play. They weren't going 315 00:16:45,818 --> 00:16:48,937 Speaker 2: they weren't gonna audible, they weren't gonna be sight adjustments. 316 00:16:49,058 --> 00:16:51,698 Speaker 2: There weren't gonna be any changes they were just going 317 00:16:51,738 --> 00:16:54,538 Speaker 2: to run the play. And so what Spagnolo did, which 318 00:16:54,578 --> 00:16:57,578 Speaker 2: is exactly what Miami did in this game, is they 319 00:16:57,938 --> 00:17:00,058 Speaker 2: blitz from the second and third level of the defense 320 00:17:00,098 --> 00:17:02,818 Speaker 2: to make the quarterback hot, and then they were dropping 321 00:17:02,858 --> 00:17:05,738 Speaker 2: players off the line of scrimmage into those hot zones 322 00:17:05,818 --> 00:17:09,018 Speaker 2: right where you just are expecting and anticipating that that's 323 00:17:09,058 --> 00:17:12,378 Speaker 2: where the designated, predetermined hot route is going to be. 324 00:17:12,938 --> 00:17:15,697 Speaker 2: So as we get into you know this with this 325 00:17:15,818 --> 00:17:18,338 Speaker 2: Alex Van Pelt offense, it's the same thing in the 326 00:17:18,378 --> 00:17:21,938 Speaker 2: Super Bowl last year of why the Niners offense struggled 327 00:17:22,178 --> 00:17:25,898 Speaker 2: against the Chiefs defense was because Purdy is just kind 328 00:17:25,938 --> 00:17:32,418 Speaker 2: of left without a real answer against pressure. So it's 329 00:17:32,618 --> 00:17:35,058 Speaker 2: one way of doing it. I think in this offense, 330 00:17:35,138 --> 00:17:39,178 Speaker 2: the key for most of them is that they want 331 00:17:39,178 --> 00:17:42,138 Speaker 2: to set the protection pre snap so that you're not hot. 332 00:17:42,778 --> 00:17:45,738 Speaker 2: But that's obviously not always going to happen. And you know, 333 00:17:45,778 --> 00:17:47,778 Speaker 2: one guy said to me, you know when you're caught 334 00:17:47,778 --> 00:17:50,258 Speaker 2: with your pants down because you try to you set 335 00:17:50,298 --> 00:17:53,418 Speaker 2: the protection, but they bring too many guys and you're 336 00:17:53,498 --> 00:17:56,618 Speaker 2: just you're hot. You know the blitz is coming. You know, 337 00:17:56,698 --> 00:18:00,578 Speaker 2: we have one predetermined route that Drake is supposed to 338 00:18:00,618 --> 00:18:06,058 Speaker 2: throw hot to this player right now, There's always different 339 00:18:06,058 --> 00:18:09,378 Speaker 2: ways to do things, and this system in this West 340 00:18:09,378 --> 00:18:13,298 Speaker 2: Coast offense, it's been around since the eighties for a reason, right, 341 00:18:13,338 --> 00:18:15,618 Speaker 2: Like it's been successful in the NFL. So it's not 342 00:18:15,658 --> 00:18:18,378 Speaker 2: to sit here and say that it can't be successful. 343 00:18:18,978 --> 00:18:21,738 Speaker 2: But I do think, you know, in terms of you 344 00:18:21,818 --> 00:18:24,937 Speaker 2: guys listening and also myself, like we need to change 345 00:18:25,058 --> 00:18:29,858 Speaker 2: our perception of you know, oh well this guy should 346 00:18:29,858 --> 00:18:32,858 Speaker 2: be changing this route right because that doesn't necessarily exist. 347 00:18:32,978 --> 00:18:35,498 Speaker 1: So then let me ask you this, how do you 348 00:18:35,578 --> 00:18:39,738 Speaker 1: use a quarterback or use an offense beat that when 349 00:18:40,018 --> 00:18:42,938 Speaker 1: when they're covering up that hot route and still blitzing elsewhere? 350 00:18:43,498 --> 00:18:44,138 Speaker 1: How do you beat it? 351 00:18:44,618 --> 00:18:47,458 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fair question, and I think it's one 352 00:18:47,498 --> 00:18:51,778 Speaker 2: that certainly Shanahan and I think other guys in this 353 00:18:51,858 --> 00:18:54,858 Speaker 2: tree have had trouble with, right of finding those answers. 354 00:18:55,698 --> 00:18:58,018 Speaker 2: You know, when you see that pressure, like you're not 355 00:18:58,298 --> 00:19:01,138 Speaker 2: in this offense, you're not supposed to like completely audible 356 00:19:01,178 --> 00:19:03,417 Speaker 2: and change the play. You're not supposed to side adjust, 357 00:19:03,458 --> 00:19:06,458 Speaker 2: So like how do you beat those things? This is 358 00:19:06,538 --> 00:19:10,458 Speaker 2: I would say, probably the biggest flaw in this type 359 00:19:10,458 --> 00:19:12,418 Speaker 2: of offense in the way that they run things. 360 00:19:12,458 --> 00:19:15,138 Speaker 1: Now, so can I can I answer my own question 361 00:19:15,218 --> 00:19:18,378 Speaker 1: in partant? Yeah, skill, like you just have to have 362 00:19:18,458 --> 00:19:21,538 Speaker 1: guys that are right. Your hot receiver's not gonna be open. 363 00:19:21,938 --> 00:19:23,898 Speaker 1: Do you have another guy that can just is winning 364 00:19:23,978 --> 00:19:27,058 Speaker 1: quickly one on one on another route? Yeah, And that's 365 00:19:27,138 --> 00:19:29,738 Speaker 1: obviously you know when you talk about the Patriots, it's 366 00:19:29,778 --> 00:19:30,418 Speaker 1: something that's a net. 367 00:19:31,178 --> 00:19:33,098 Speaker 2: Yeah. So you know you look at the one over 368 00:19:33,138 --> 00:19:35,738 Speaker 2: the middle, just to go back and give examples, like 369 00:19:35,778 --> 00:19:38,458 Speaker 2: the one over the middle of the Pop Douglas, he 370 00:19:38,778 --> 00:19:41,658 Speaker 2: has a slant like it's he's running a slant, and 371 00:19:41,738 --> 00:19:46,218 Speaker 2: so they move the back over right because again, remember 372 00:19:46,698 --> 00:19:49,538 Speaker 2: if they recognize blitz threats, like they want to make 373 00:19:49,578 --> 00:19:53,578 Speaker 2: sure at all costs that they are doing everything they 374 00:19:53,618 --> 00:19:56,098 Speaker 2: can to make sure that the quarterback is not hot. Right, 375 00:19:56,138 --> 00:19:58,178 Speaker 2: they don't want the defense to be able to make 376 00:19:58,178 --> 00:19:59,098 Speaker 2: the quarterback hot. 377 00:19:59,138 --> 00:20:03,498 Speaker 1: And what that means is just to unblocked blitzer. And 378 00:20:03,538 --> 00:20:06,458 Speaker 1: I know that kind of sounds why wouldn't you block 379 00:20:06,498 --> 00:20:08,978 Speaker 1: the blitzer? Well, if you recognize that there's a six 380 00:20:09,058 --> 00:20:12,018 Speaker 1: man rush coming and you're supposed to have five guys 381 00:20:12,018 --> 00:20:15,218 Speaker 1: in the pattern and you only have five blocking. Now 382 00:20:15,258 --> 00:20:17,778 Speaker 1: somebody's hot or seven if you leave one in seven 383 00:20:17,818 --> 00:20:18,778 Speaker 1: on six things right. 384 00:20:18,898 --> 00:20:21,177 Speaker 2: So this is why I wanted to bring this up 385 00:20:21,258 --> 00:20:23,418 Speaker 2: because there's a lot of heat right now on the 386 00:20:23,458 --> 00:20:26,578 Speaker 2: offensive line. Yeah, and understandably, so you brought up Chop 387 00:20:26,658 --> 00:20:29,698 Speaker 2: Robinson earlier, who had eleven quarterback pressures in this game. 388 00:20:30,018 --> 00:20:32,098 Speaker 2: Nine of them we're on Trey Jacobs. 389 00:20:31,738 --> 00:20:35,018 Speaker 1: And that was schemed glittering. 390 00:20:36,298 --> 00:20:38,138 Speaker 2: Right, we're talking about one on one wins when we're 391 00:20:38,178 --> 00:20:40,978 Speaker 2: talking about that. But I think a lot of these 392 00:20:41,058 --> 00:20:44,618 Speaker 2: pressures came unblocked, like you were talking about free runners 393 00:20:44,658 --> 00:20:45,938 Speaker 2: at the quarterback. 394 00:20:46,058 --> 00:20:47,898 Speaker 1: And specifically defensive backs. 395 00:20:47,978 --> 00:20:50,618 Speaker 2: So on the play to Douglas on the slant, which 396 00:20:50,618 --> 00:20:53,898 Speaker 2: I think is being talked about a lot, Yeah, Drake 397 00:20:53,978 --> 00:20:57,937 Speaker 2: may actually moves Remandre over from left to right. So 398 00:20:57,978 --> 00:21:00,138 Speaker 2: he goes from you know, next to Drake and the 399 00:21:00,178 --> 00:21:02,418 Speaker 2: gun on the left to next to Drake on the 400 00:21:02,418 --> 00:21:05,418 Speaker 2: gun on the right. Because they see that they're three, 401 00:21:05,538 --> 00:21:08,058 Speaker 2: that they're three over two on the right hand side 402 00:21:08,058 --> 00:21:11,178 Speaker 2: of the offensive line. So now they're three on three. 403 00:21:11,858 --> 00:21:16,378 Speaker 2: But if that extra dB blitzes, now they're four to 404 00:21:16,498 --> 00:21:19,258 Speaker 2: over three. So now they're hot, right, and it's on 405 00:21:19,298 --> 00:21:23,618 Speaker 2: the quarterback to get the ball out at that point. Basically, 406 00:21:23,618 --> 00:21:26,938 Speaker 2: to think about it this way, the extra rusher is 407 00:21:27,178 --> 00:21:29,498 Speaker 2: the quarterback's responsibility. 408 00:21:28,858 --> 00:21:29,818 Speaker 1: Yes, you ready to put it. 409 00:21:29,818 --> 00:21:32,578 Speaker 2: It's not the it's not the blockers responsibility. So when 410 00:21:32,618 --> 00:21:35,658 Speaker 2: you see these guys running free through the line of scrimmage, 411 00:21:35,658 --> 00:21:37,618 Speaker 2: don't play the offensive line all the time for that. 412 00:21:37,978 --> 00:21:41,338 Speaker 2: Sometimes they just don't have the numbers to block these people. 413 00:21:41,418 --> 00:21:44,258 Speaker 2: So that's going to happen in any offense. Yeah, So 414 00:21:44,378 --> 00:21:47,618 Speaker 2: Jordan Poyer comes right and he blitzes, and then Pop 415 00:21:47,658 --> 00:21:50,978 Speaker 2: Douglass is just running a slant. That's he's not supposed 416 00:21:51,018 --> 00:21:53,098 Speaker 2: to sit right like, He's just supposed to run the slant, 417 00:21:53,418 --> 00:21:57,298 Speaker 2: and Drake's under pressure the free runners coming right at him, 418 00:21:57,418 --> 00:22:00,218 Speaker 2: and unfortunately he just misses the throw. Right, He just 419 00:22:00,258 --> 00:22:02,298 Speaker 2: missed the throw And he said it after the game. 420 00:22:02,458 --> 00:22:04,538 Speaker 2: I missed him like he just he wore it. 421 00:22:04,618 --> 00:22:06,498 Speaker 1: That's what happens with pressure, you're less accurate. 422 00:22:06,578 --> 00:22:09,578 Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people think that that he was 423 00:22:09,618 --> 00:22:12,258 Speaker 2: falling on the sword for his teammate, but I genuinely 424 00:22:12,338 --> 00:22:13,098 Speaker 2: don't think he was. 425 00:22:13,138 --> 00:22:15,458 Speaker 1: After talking to the guys, I think he was more 426 00:22:15,658 --> 00:22:19,338 Speaker 1: last week talking about the interception than he was in 427 00:22:19,338 --> 00:22:22,898 Speaker 1: this one. There's a bad throw. Yeah, So that was 428 00:22:22,938 --> 00:22:25,818 Speaker 1: a big problem for them in this game. How they 429 00:22:26,098 --> 00:22:28,858 Speaker 1: move forward, I think is a really good question for 430 00:22:28,938 --> 00:22:32,578 Speaker 1: Alex van Pelt, because look, if teams see things on 431 00:22:32,698 --> 00:22:35,338 Speaker 1: film that are successful, you know, they're gonna just replicate 432 00:22:35,418 --> 00:22:37,858 Speaker 1: those things. They're just gonna keep doing it until the 433 00:22:37,898 --> 00:22:41,658 Speaker 1: Patriots proved that they can answer it. And this Colts 434 00:22:41,738 --> 00:22:43,858 Speaker 1: defense that they play this week, which I do want 435 00:22:43,858 --> 00:22:45,298 Speaker 1: to talk about the Colts a little bit. 436 00:22:46,658 --> 00:22:49,898 Speaker 2: They are a zone based defense. They good old Gus 437 00:22:49,938 --> 00:22:53,618 Speaker 2: Bradley just still sticking to the Seattle three ten years later, 438 00:22:53,738 --> 00:22:56,218 Speaker 2: right like he has not changed his stripes at all. 439 00:22:56,258 --> 00:23:00,218 Speaker 2: So they don't blitz a ton. So my expectation is 440 00:23:00,298 --> 00:23:02,618 Speaker 2: based off of just the film and the numbers and 441 00:23:02,658 --> 00:23:05,818 Speaker 2: stuff that we all dive into. They're not probably not 442 00:23:05,938 --> 00:23:07,738 Speaker 2: going to look at this game plan and say, we're 443 00:23:07,738 --> 00:23:10,058 Speaker 2: gonna expect a lot of blitz pressure. Well, if they 444 00:23:10,098 --> 00:23:12,498 Speaker 2: run a bunch of fire zone on Sunday, you know, 445 00:23:12,498 --> 00:23:14,978 Speaker 2: blitz zone, then the Patriots have got to be ready 446 00:23:14,978 --> 00:23:16,698 Speaker 2: for that, and they have to have better answers to 447 00:23:16,738 --> 00:23:19,858 Speaker 2: what they were given last week against Miami, who did 448 00:23:20,258 --> 00:23:22,338 Speaker 2: run a lot about what I would call fire zone 449 00:23:22,418 --> 00:23:25,458 Speaker 2: or blit zone. So that's the offense. Like, to me, 450 00:23:25,578 --> 00:23:28,778 Speaker 2: that was the game for the offense. Penalties was obviously 451 00:23:29,138 --> 00:23:35,058 Speaker 2: number one. Number two was finding answers to pressure and 452 00:23:35,098 --> 00:23:38,018 Speaker 2: to blitz pressure in particular. You know that third down 453 00:23:38,018 --> 00:23:40,538 Speaker 2: play to Pop Douglas. That was kind of the game 454 00:23:40,578 --> 00:23:42,858 Speaker 2: in a lot of ways because the defense wasn't stopping 455 00:23:43,138 --> 00:23:46,578 Speaker 2: Miami and once they gave up that when once they 456 00:23:46,618 --> 00:23:49,618 Speaker 2: missed that opportunity, and if you see it on the film, 457 00:23:49,658 --> 00:23:51,778 Speaker 2: like if he hits Pob Douglas in stride there, then 458 00:23:51,858 --> 00:23:53,978 Speaker 2: that is a house call. Like there's you know, the 459 00:23:54,018 --> 00:23:56,898 Speaker 2: safeties are widening, it's split safety there. They're going out 460 00:23:56,938 --> 00:23:59,818 Speaker 2: like this. The middle of the field is wide af open, 461 00:24:00,058 --> 00:24:01,978 Speaker 2: and if he just hits them in stride like it's 462 00:24:02,098 --> 00:24:04,738 Speaker 2: that's a huge, huge play. That's that was sort of 463 00:24:04,738 --> 00:24:06,378 Speaker 2: the game right there. It felt like to me at 464 00:24:06,418 --> 00:24:07,258 Speaker 2: that moment, I do I. 465 00:24:07,578 --> 00:24:09,898 Speaker 1: Get why you want to bring up schematically issues with 466 00:24:09,938 --> 00:24:12,138 Speaker 1: the pressures, but I do think it is worth talking 467 00:24:12,138 --> 00:24:14,778 Speaker 1: about the offensive line too. Yeah, and the issues oh yeah, 468 00:24:14,898 --> 00:24:18,858 Speaker 1: specifically the tackles. Look, penalties aren't excusable, especially the pre 469 00:24:18,938 --> 00:24:21,938 Speaker 1: snap penalties. I mean that's you can't have that. You 470 00:24:21,978 --> 00:24:24,258 Speaker 1: can't what was it four or five fall starts between 471 00:24:24,258 --> 00:24:27,498 Speaker 1: the two of them, Yeah, just too many. And that's 472 00:24:27,538 --> 00:24:29,338 Speaker 1: why I know you don't want to do the draft 473 00:24:29,378 --> 00:24:30,458 Speaker 1: so we don't have to go all the way down 474 00:24:30,498 --> 00:24:33,298 Speaker 1: this road. But I think I texted you during the game, like, 475 00:24:33,618 --> 00:24:36,658 Speaker 1: get over Ted McMillan, because this game is a reminder 476 00:24:36,698 --> 00:24:38,418 Speaker 1: that tackle is their biggest need. I know some people 477 00:24:38,458 --> 00:24:40,978 Speaker 1: had gotten caught up in what Vederian Lowe had done 478 00:24:41,378 --> 00:24:43,338 Speaker 1: through the past couple of weeks, and he had been decent, 479 00:24:43,458 --> 00:24:45,938 Speaker 1: but he was kind of punching above his weight there, 480 00:24:45,978 --> 00:24:48,058 Speaker 1: and I think that was the continuity of the offensive 481 00:24:48,058 --> 00:24:49,778 Speaker 1: line helping out. I think some of it was the 482 00:24:49,778 --> 00:24:52,858 Speaker 1: opponents as well, But you kind of see where that 483 00:24:52,898 --> 00:24:55,498 Speaker 1: floor is, and that floor is not a starting caliber tackle. 484 00:24:55,898 --> 00:24:59,898 Speaker 1: So right tackle Jantary Jacobs obviously wasn't great either. I 485 00:24:59,898 --> 00:25:02,218 Speaker 1: think over there you kind of hope Caden Walls shows 486 00:25:02,258 --> 00:25:03,938 Speaker 1: you something. We'll see when he gets back. He wasn't 487 00:25:03,978 --> 00:25:06,698 Speaker 1: at practice today, but if they can get him back 488 00:25:07,058 --> 00:25:09,778 Speaker 1: and he shows you something, you go into next year 489 00:25:09,818 --> 00:25:12,498 Speaker 1: with him as kind of your hopeful starting right tackle. 490 00:25:12,538 --> 00:25:16,258 Speaker 1: But left tackle issue number one because there really isn't 491 00:25:16,298 --> 00:25:19,338 Speaker 1: anybody else in the pipeline either, and between the penalties, 492 00:25:19,858 --> 00:25:22,898 Speaker 1: the not just pressure, but I mean blowbys. And I 493 00:25:22,938 --> 00:25:24,778 Speaker 1: don't know if that's a technical term, it's what I 494 00:25:24,898 --> 00:25:27,657 Speaker 1: use it basically. I mean it's it's what it sounds like. 495 00:25:27,658 --> 00:25:30,418 Speaker 1: Does the defensive lineman blow by you a non competitive 496 00:25:30,498 --> 00:25:33,418 Speaker 1: rep where it's you know, not even al right, he 497 00:25:33,458 --> 00:25:34,978 Speaker 1: beat me, but it was after a second or two, 498 00:25:35,018 --> 00:25:36,858 Speaker 1: so I had a chance. And I mean it wasn't 499 00:25:36,898 --> 00:25:38,738 Speaker 1: just on pass plays. The first run play of the game, 500 00:25:38,778 --> 00:25:41,498 Speaker 1: and I know it's designed where where we're lows sort 501 00:25:41,498 --> 00:25:43,698 Speaker 1: of pulling, but the guy sort of hits him on 502 00:25:43,698 --> 00:25:46,538 Speaker 1: the side and he doesn't do much to react. And 503 00:25:46,578 --> 00:25:48,618 Speaker 1: we see them run that drill at practice where they 504 00:25:48,658 --> 00:25:50,778 Speaker 1: hit the blocking sled from the side. Yeah, and I've 505 00:25:50,778 --> 00:25:52,858 Speaker 1: always kind of thought that's an interesting drill. I'm like, 506 00:25:52,858 --> 00:25:55,058 Speaker 1: how often does this come up first play the game? 507 00:25:55,338 --> 00:25:58,178 Speaker 1: That's exactly what that looked like. And no resistance and 508 00:25:59,298 --> 00:26:02,778 Speaker 1: you know Jacobs too obviously either really quick wins or 509 00:26:02,818 --> 00:26:07,818 Speaker 1: just outright blowbys by John Robinson, and it was it's 510 00:26:07,898 --> 00:26:10,378 Speaker 1: just a reminder that this is It was good for 511 00:26:10,418 --> 00:26:13,858 Speaker 1: a few weeks. I think that was more the exception. 512 00:26:14,658 --> 00:26:17,778 Speaker 1: I think when we saw Sunday, if they were to 513 00:26:17,858 --> 00:26:19,418 Speaker 1: run it back in another year with either these guys are 514 00:26:19,458 --> 00:26:22,458 Speaker 1: both these guys like Sunday, I think is more would 515 00:26:22,498 --> 00:26:23,378 Speaker 1: would you can expect? 516 00:26:23,538 --> 00:26:25,978 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, just quickly maybe not quite that bad, 517 00:26:26,138 --> 00:26:29,498 Speaker 2: but yeah, just like quickly on the actual evaluating the 518 00:26:29,538 --> 00:26:32,778 Speaker 2: actual play on the field from Sunday, I thought Jacobs 519 00:26:33,458 --> 00:26:36,898 Speaker 2: was much worse when the ball was snapped. Like Lowe's 520 00:26:36,978 --> 00:26:39,658 Speaker 2: problems were mostly the penalties. He had a couple of 521 00:26:39,698 --> 00:26:42,538 Speaker 2: pressures allowed in this game, and I digged him for 522 00:26:42,578 --> 00:26:44,818 Speaker 2: a few run blocks, but like it wasn't they didn't really. 523 00:26:44,818 --> 00:26:46,938 Speaker 1: Run the ball. The run blocking to me with him 524 00:26:46,978 --> 00:26:48,258 Speaker 1: was worse than the pass blockers. 525 00:26:48,338 --> 00:26:50,898 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe I didn't run the ball a ton traditionally 526 00:26:50,978 --> 00:26:54,538 Speaker 2: because of the score, So I don't. I didn't really 527 00:26:54,618 --> 00:26:57,578 Speaker 2: like overanalyze some of the run blocking in this game, 528 00:26:58,138 --> 00:27:01,098 Speaker 2: but obviously on the other side at right tackle, Like 529 00:27:01,098 --> 00:27:04,018 Speaker 2: to me, Jacobs his bigger issue. 530 00:27:03,738 --> 00:27:05,858 Speaker 1: Was actually executing blocks in the past game. 531 00:27:05,938 --> 00:27:07,538 Speaker 2: And I think the biggest thing that you see with 532 00:27:07,618 --> 00:27:10,618 Speaker 2: him is he just plays with a really really short 533 00:27:10,658 --> 00:27:13,218 Speaker 2: corner because he doesn't get out of his stance really quickly. 534 00:27:13,778 --> 00:27:16,498 Speaker 2: He just not doesn't really get a lot of initial 535 00:27:16,618 --> 00:27:19,738 Speaker 2: kick out of his jump set, and that causes him 536 00:27:19,778 --> 00:27:22,658 Speaker 2: to give up the edge in a hurry. And when 537 00:27:22,698 --> 00:27:25,937 Speaker 2: you face dynamic rushers like Chop Robinson who have that 538 00:27:26,058 --> 00:27:29,938 Speaker 2: speed and that explosiveness off the line of scrimmage every week, 539 00:27:29,978 --> 00:27:33,578 Speaker 2: that's just huge mismatch for Trey Jacobs. Whenever there's a 540 00:27:33,618 --> 00:27:36,378 Speaker 2: player like that that's a screamer off the edge, I'd 541 00:27:36,458 --> 00:27:39,858 Speaker 2: much rather him play like a bull rusher, you know, 542 00:27:39,938 --> 00:27:42,498 Speaker 2: because those guys aren't gonna threaten his corner as much 543 00:27:42,738 --> 00:27:45,738 Speaker 2: when you play somebody like a Chop Robinson. When you 544 00:27:45,738 --> 00:27:48,538 Speaker 2: play someone like this week, if if they you know, 545 00:27:48,618 --> 00:27:50,858 Speaker 2: he rushes over the left tackle most of the time, 546 00:27:50,898 --> 00:27:53,538 Speaker 2: but if they flip Blay two Latu this week for 547 00:27:53,618 --> 00:27:56,498 Speaker 2: Indianapolis and they put him over Trade Jacobs, like, that's 548 00:27:56,538 --> 00:27:59,298 Speaker 2: another one of those, you know, young screamers coming off 549 00:27:59,338 --> 00:28:02,618 Speaker 2: the edge, that was gonna give him problems. So I 550 00:28:02,698 --> 00:28:05,018 Speaker 2: don't The reason why I don't get too caught up, 551 00:28:05,058 --> 00:28:06,938 Speaker 2: I guess, like, and why I got more into the 552 00:28:06,978 --> 00:28:10,218 Speaker 2: scheme with the offensive line is because I just don't 553 00:28:10,258 --> 00:28:11,338 Speaker 2: expect these guys to. 554 00:28:11,258 --> 00:28:13,338 Speaker 1: Be back in these spots next year. Well, I think, 555 00:28:13,338 --> 00:28:16,938 Speaker 1: you know, people had started more so Low because with Jacobs, 556 00:28:16,978 --> 00:28:19,738 Speaker 1: like Kane Wallace is still here. I think with Low 557 00:28:19,818 --> 00:28:23,778 Speaker 1: because people get so enticed by traps Hunter, Ted McMillan, 558 00:28:23,938 --> 00:28:27,858 Speaker 1: Will Johnson, Carter, serviceable and right. They had started talking 559 00:28:27,898 --> 00:28:30,698 Speaker 1: themselves into that, and it's like, this is a good 560 00:28:30,698 --> 00:28:33,018 Speaker 1: reminder of well there will be games like this if 561 00:28:33,058 --> 00:28:35,018 Speaker 1: you stick with him, you can't have that. And you know, 562 00:28:35,058 --> 00:28:36,818 Speaker 1: I start to worry about here what it's going to 563 00:28:36,858 --> 00:28:38,698 Speaker 1: look like over the last the last five weeks. I 564 00:28:38,738 --> 00:28:42,218 Speaker 1: know you roll your eyes at this, Yeah, but is like, 565 00:28:42,258 --> 00:28:45,298 Speaker 1: we'll get to Drake is he gonna start developing bad 566 00:28:45,298 --> 00:28:48,218 Speaker 1: habits because he had to change the way he played 567 00:28:48,578 --> 00:28:51,458 Speaker 1: because of the tackle play and honestly, the play calling 568 00:28:51,498 --> 00:28:54,098 Speaker 1: it felt like to me because we saw this in September. 569 00:28:54,138 --> 00:28:55,338 Speaker 1: We hadn't seen it in a while, but we saw 570 00:28:55,378 --> 00:28:58,938 Speaker 1: it in September. The play calling was impacted by the 571 00:28:58,978 --> 00:29:01,258 Speaker 1: tackle play, and I think the play calling got overly 572 00:29:01,258 --> 00:29:06,818 Speaker 1: conservative at times out of a out of a reason, 573 00:29:06,858 --> 00:29:09,378 Speaker 1: out of necessity to protect Drake by because the line 574 00:29:09,418 --> 00:29:13,138 Speaker 1: wasn't doing it. So that was just you know, I 575 00:29:13,178 --> 00:29:16,058 Speaker 1: came in last week after the Rams game, saying, if 576 00:29:16,378 --> 00:29:19,378 Speaker 1: you're somebody wants Patriots to take Will Johnson or take 577 00:29:19,458 --> 00:29:21,578 Speaker 1: Travis Hunter as a corner, like, this is your week 578 00:29:21,618 --> 00:29:23,178 Speaker 1: to be loud, this is your week to speak up. 579 00:29:23,178 --> 00:29:25,418 Speaker 1: That's what that looked like on the field. I hope 580 00:29:25,458 --> 00:29:28,658 Speaker 1: you took advantage last week because this week was back 581 00:29:28,698 --> 00:29:30,458 Speaker 1: to reality in terms of what their biggest need is 582 00:29:30,498 --> 00:29:30,898 Speaker 1: actually his. 583 00:29:31,138 --> 00:29:34,218 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I guess, you know, just to piggyback off that, 584 00:29:34,338 --> 00:29:39,538 Speaker 2: I just don't necessarily feel like harping on or kind 585 00:29:39,538 --> 00:29:43,498 Speaker 2: of killing the current tackles is like worth it, because yeah, yeah, yeah, 586 00:29:43,498 --> 00:29:45,378 Speaker 2: I'm not like saying that's what you're doing. I just like, 587 00:29:46,058 --> 00:29:48,218 Speaker 2: these guys are just not gonna be there next year. 588 00:29:48,858 --> 00:29:51,978 Speaker 2: I think I feel pretty comfortable saying that they're not 589 00:29:52,058 --> 00:29:54,618 Speaker 2: going to go into the season week one expecting Vederian 590 00:29:54,658 --> 00:29:57,258 Speaker 2: Low to be their starting enough tackle. You they've had 591 00:29:57,258 --> 00:30:00,618 Speaker 2: some terrible luck. And I'm not saying that to excuse 592 00:30:00,658 --> 00:30:04,498 Speaker 2: the personnel department, but obviously, like we got to this 593 00:30:04,658 --> 00:30:07,498 Speaker 2: point with Vederian Low being the starting left tackle, so 594 00:30:07,578 --> 00:30:11,498 Speaker 2: anything could happen, like injuries, you know, chooks, the core 595 00:30:11,578 --> 00:30:14,658 Speaker 2: for quitting, like whatever the case may be, Like we 596 00:30:14,738 --> 00:30:16,538 Speaker 2: got here, you know, this year. So I'm not gonna 597 00:30:16,538 --> 00:30:19,338 Speaker 2: say it's totally impossible to get there next year. But 598 00:30:19,858 --> 00:30:24,938 Speaker 2: I would assume that you're drafting a left tackle, maybe 599 00:30:24,978 --> 00:30:27,858 Speaker 2: Caden Wallace is you give him some leash at right tack. 600 00:30:28,498 --> 00:30:30,058 Speaker 1: A top one hundred pick on him. You got it. 601 00:30:30,098 --> 00:30:32,218 Speaker 1: You gotta see it. And that's why hopefully he gets back. 602 00:30:32,938 --> 00:30:35,018 Speaker 1: Drawd Mayo said today, will be back soon. Hopefully he 603 00:30:35,058 --> 00:30:37,578 Speaker 1: gets back sooner, rasing later, so you can get I 604 00:30:37,618 --> 00:30:40,098 Speaker 1: mean they got five games left, right, four games, five games, 605 00:30:40,098 --> 00:30:42,698 Speaker 1: say that's a decent enough sample size we're going in 606 00:30:42,698 --> 00:30:45,378 Speaker 1: the next year. You should at the very least, I 607 00:30:45,418 --> 00:30:49,738 Speaker 1: think you'll know if he's totally not it in five games. 608 00:30:49,898 --> 00:30:51,418 Speaker 1: You may not know for sure that he's a long 609 00:30:51,498 --> 00:30:53,338 Speaker 1: term answer, but I think you can say enough see 610 00:30:53,458 --> 00:30:55,178 Speaker 1: enough in five games to say, all right, it's worth 611 00:30:55,218 --> 00:30:56,978 Speaker 1: going into the season and seeing what we have in him, 612 00:30:56,978 --> 00:31:00,098 Speaker 1: and then maybe you get you know. Matt Dolff brought 613 00:31:00,138 --> 00:31:01,098 Speaker 1: this up to me. I thought it was a good 614 00:31:01,138 --> 00:31:03,778 Speaker 1: way to put it, Like the Austin Hooper of tackles 615 00:31:04,138 --> 00:31:06,338 Speaker 1: in free agency, who can just kind of be there. 616 00:31:07,258 --> 00:31:09,018 Speaker 1: You're gonna he's a young guy, you're gonna have a 617 00:31:09,018 --> 00:31:10,578 Speaker 1: young guy on the left side to just kind of 618 00:31:10,578 --> 00:31:13,138 Speaker 1: be available to fill in where he's needing. 619 00:31:13,218 --> 00:31:14,978 Speaker 2: That's sort of where I was gonna go with the 620 00:31:15,018 --> 00:31:16,858 Speaker 2: next It's a good way to put it. I think 621 00:31:16,898 --> 00:31:20,658 Speaker 2: we're back into sign one draft Soto Baby. I appreciate 622 00:31:20,698 --> 00:31:22,978 Speaker 2: everybody who tweeted that at me. Yeah that was two 623 00:31:23,098 --> 00:31:25,338 Speaker 2: years ago, right, No, I think that was last year. 624 00:31:25,458 --> 00:31:27,338 Speaker 2: I think it was two years two years ago with that, 625 00:31:27,578 --> 00:31:30,178 Speaker 2: like mcglinchy McGarry. 626 00:31:29,978 --> 00:31:32,738 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was that that class. And then who 627 00:31:32,858 --> 00:31:37,338 Speaker 1: was it from Georgia? Uh, who's the guy the Steelers 628 00:31:37,418 --> 00:31:44,018 Speaker 1: talk Proderick Jones. Yeah, Broderick Jones and Dewan Jones and 629 00:31:44,098 --> 00:31:47,218 Speaker 1: so honestly, it was cool seeing so many people. I 630 00:31:47,258 --> 00:31:49,378 Speaker 1: had reminder as would have been two years ago, you 631 00:31:49,378 --> 00:31:50,658 Speaker 1: guys still remember. I appreciate that. 632 00:31:50,938 --> 00:31:54,738 Speaker 2: I definitely think we're back in that territory. And to 633 00:31:55,258 --> 00:31:58,378 Speaker 2: Matt's point, it's not necessarily to go out there and 634 00:31:58,418 --> 00:31:59,258 Speaker 2: get a franchise. 635 00:31:59,698 --> 00:32:02,058 Speaker 1: That was more about getting two starters. So it's a 636 00:32:02,058 --> 00:32:02,458 Speaker 1: little ye. 637 00:32:02,698 --> 00:32:05,378 Speaker 2: So, you know, can we get a starting tackle and 638 00:32:05,498 --> 00:32:09,298 Speaker 2: free agency and then get the guy you know probably 639 00:32:09,338 --> 00:32:11,858 Speaker 2: at left tackle in the in the draft uh to 640 00:32:12,098 --> 00:32:14,298 Speaker 2: uh to rind up this line, and then I would 641 00:32:14,298 --> 00:32:16,698 Speaker 2: also expect, you know, just based off of what the 642 00:32:16,778 --> 00:32:20,178 Speaker 2: coaching staff has said about him, you know, Cole Strange 643 00:32:20,178 --> 00:32:22,138 Speaker 2: I think is gonna be a factor in the interior 644 00:32:22,258 --> 00:32:25,578 Speaker 2: next year. David Andrews will be back, yeah uh, and 645 00:32:25,618 --> 00:32:27,858 Speaker 2: then Mike on Wenny will obviously still be here. So 646 00:32:28,138 --> 00:32:30,098 Speaker 2: like when you really think about it, on when it 647 00:32:30,218 --> 00:32:32,378 Speaker 2: was probably the only guy on this offensive line that 648 00:32:32,418 --> 00:32:34,698 Speaker 2: should be starting for this team next year in Week one, 649 00:32:34,738 --> 00:32:36,538 Speaker 2: And that's my expectation. 650 00:32:35,978 --> 00:32:38,338 Speaker 1: On this like currently right the play right, Well, I 651 00:32:38,938 --> 00:32:41,818 Speaker 1: think we're gonna see cool Strange soon, especially because Michael 652 00:32:41,858 --> 00:32:43,858 Speaker 1: Jordan had a rough game and we talked about this 653 00:32:43,938 --> 00:32:46,498 Speaker 1: last week, Michael Jordan, Ben Brown, Who's gonna lose their job? 654 00:32:47,058 --> 00:32:47,578 Speaker 2: Ben Brown? 655 00:32:47,738 --> 00:32:49,498 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think you're gonna put the tape 656 00:32:49,498 --> 00:32:51,778 Speaker 1: from Ben Brown in the Hall of Fame. But he 657 00:32:52,178 --> 00:32:55,098 Speaker 1: was fine, Michael Jordan was not. So you look at 658 00:32:55,098 --> 00:32:55,978 Speaker 1: that and it's just. 659 00:32:55,898 --> 00:32:57,738 Speaker 2: So much easier. And I'm not trying to take away 660 00:32:57,738 --> 00:33:00,738 Speaker 2: from the great centers like David Andrews and Jason Kelcey 661 00:33:00,778 --> 00:33:02,818 Speaker 2: and those guys, but like it's so much easier to 662 00:33:02,858 --> 00:33:04,258 Speaker 2: scheme around a center. 663 00:33:04,298 --> 00:33:07,498 Speaker 1: It is, but but looking at that game, who's getting 664 00:33:07,538 --> 00:33:10,298 Speaker 1: pulled for cole Strange factoring into the no that's that's 665 00:33:10,298 --> 00:33:12,538 Speaker 1: sort of my point, Like if you're gonna have a 666 00:33:12,578 --> 00:33:15,818 Speaker 1: guy that is kind of a weak link, so to speak, 667 00:33:15,858 --> 00:33:18,538 Speaker 1: and I'm not ready to pronounce that cole Strange is 668 00:33:18,578 --> 00:33:21,418 Speaker 1: not one of those guys, but just saying like, if 669 00:33:21,458 --> 00:33:23,298 Speaker 1: you're gonna have a guy that is a weak link, 670 00:33:23,698 --> 00:33:25,338 Speaker 1: then I'd much rather be at center. 671 00:33:25,498 --> 00:33:27,618 Speaker 2: Like at center, you can help, you can ship. Like 672 00:33:27,658 --> 00:33:30,658 Speaker 2: not a lot of teams line up guys like over 673 00:33:30,778 --> 00:33:34,418 Speaker 2: the center, Like it's usually shaded into one of the 674 00:33:34,458 --> 00:33:37,378 Speaker 2: gaps in the A gap, So like at that point 675 00:33:37,418 --> 00:33:39,138 Speaker 2: you have the guard that can like give him a 676 00:33:39,178 --> 00:33:43,538 Speaker 2: bump or like something right side the protection that direction, 677 00:33:43,698 --> 00:33:46,578 Speaker 2: so the center sliding out to the A gap or whatever. 678 00:33:46,898 --> 00:33:49,378 Speaker 2: Like there's so many ways to make life easier on 679 00:33:49,418 --> 00:33:52,658 Speaker 2: a center versus guards that can you know, and tackles 680 00:33:52,658 --> 00:33:56,418 Speaker 2: that can really get more isolated and more targeted by teams. 681 00:33:56,418 --> 00:33:59,818 Speaker 2: And with Michael Jordan, you just see like he can't 682 00:33:59,858 --> 00:34:02,458 Speaker 2: pick up postline movement, like every time they run his 683 00:34:02,538 --> 00:34:05,018 Speaker 2: stunt over his side of the line of scrimmage on 684 00:34:05,058 --> 00:34:07,178 Speaker 2: the left hand side. He's just not picking it up, 685 00:34:07,218 --> 00:34:09,017 Speaker 2: like his eyes are not picking it up, and he's 686 00:34:09,018 --> 00:34:11,777 Speaker 2: not you know, passing it off with Vederian low like 687 00:34:11,817 --> 00:34:15,498 Speaker 2: he should be. And even the strip sack, I felt 688 00:34:15,538 --> 00:34:18,538 Speaker 2: like Michael Jordan I wasn't really sure what he was 689 00:34:18,538 --> 00:34:21,178 Speaker 2: doing on that play either. You know, he goes with 690 00:34:21,658 --> 00:34:25,058 Speaker 2: what the blitzer, so does Remondre Stevenson, and they leave 691 00:34:25,138 --> 00:34:28,378 Speaker 2: Vederian Lowe with a guy that shaded inside his inside 692 00:34:28,418 --> 00:34:31,058 Speaker 2: shoulder trying to leverage that blot Like, good luck with 693 00:34:31,098 --> 00:34:32,738 Speaker 2: that right you know, you're not gonna be able to 694 00:34:32,777 --> 00:34:36,098 Speaker 2: get that that blocked that way. So I was surprised. 695 00:34:37,058 --> 00:34:39,338 Speaker 2: I'm surprised about that a little bit with Jordan, just 696 00:34:39,338 --> 00:34:41,658 Speaker 2: because he has played in the league. Here's a fifth 697 00:34:41,698 --> 00:34:43,578 Speaker 2: year guy, like he's played some NFL. 698 00:34:43,378 --> 00:34:44,898 Speaker 1: P we talked about in kenn He's like one of 699 00:34:44,938 --> 00:34:46,738 Speaker 1: the most experienced linemen ins. 700 00:34:47,018 --> 00:34:50,337 Speaker 2: And yet when it comes to like line movement or 701 00:34:50,418 --> 00:34:53,578 Speaker 2: or post snap movement by defensive lines, uh, he just 702 00:34:53,658 --> 00:34:56,138 Speaker 2: can't pick it up for whatever reason, he just doesn't 703 00:34:56,138 --> 00:34:58,698 Speaker 2: see it coming. So uh yeah, you know, like the 704 00:34:58,738 --> 00:35:01,578 Speaker 2: offensive line we've known as a problem. I I still 705 00:35:01,618 --> 00:35:03,738 Speaker 2: think that a big part of this game plan though, 706 00:35:03,778 --> 00:35:07,138 Speaker 2: And this, this issue with this offense on Sunday had 707 00:35:07,178 --> 00:35:10,058 Speaker 2: to do with their adjustments and their answers to pressure, 708 00:35:10,458 --> 00:35:12,817 Speaker 2: which were kind of non existent for most of this game. 709 00:35:12,858 --> 00:35:15,337 Speaker 2: And uh, this is this is a feather in your 710 00:35:15,378 --> 00:35:17,538 Speaker 2: cap for these types of offenses, my friend, like, this 711 00:35:17,618 --> 00:35:19,938 Speaker 2: is not I trying to tell you. This is what 712 00:35:19,978 --> 00:35:22,777 Speaker 2: they do against against the West Coast Tree. 713 00:35:22,938 --> 00:35:24,058 Speaker 1: I've been trying to tell you. 714 00:35:24,458 --> 00:35:26,418 Speaker 2: I think the one guy that's like solved it, and 715 00:35:26,458 --> 00:35:29,058 Speaker 2: I would you know, maybe this is an off season thing, 716 00:35:29,098 --> 00:35:31,338 Speaker 2: but like Andy Reid's kind of solved it. 717 00:35:31,418 --> 00:35:32,738 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's had twenty something. 718 00:35:33,098 --> 00:35:35,538 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe you had quarterbacks. 719 00:35:35,138 --> 00:35:36,538 Speaker 1: And yeah, he said Patrick Mahomes. 720 00:35:36,618 --> 00:35:38,897 Speaker 2: Yeah, so maybe that helps. I don't know, but he's 721 00:35:38,898 --> 00:35:41,178 Speaker 2: one guy that that seems to figured out. Let's flip 722 00:35:41,218 --> 00:35:43,018 Speaker 2: over to the defense. Do you have ups and downs? 723 00:35:43,018 --> 00:35:44,018 Speaker 2: He told me you didn't do that. 724 00:35:44,058 --> 00:35:45,858 Speaker 1: Well. I usually do them on Tuesday and I just 725 00:35:46,258 --> 00:35:48,418 Speaker 1: have I mean I can do them off top my Yeah. 726 00:35:48,378 --> 00:35:52,978 Speaker 2: It's unprepared per usual marine Like God, at one time, 727 00:35:53,018 --> 00:35:54,258 Speaker 2: can you prepare one time? 728 00:35:55,658 --> 00:35:57,778 Speaker 1: I'm literally usually what time is it's like four o'clock. 729 00:35:57,778 --> 00:35:59,978 Speaker 1: I'm literally usually doing them right now on Tuesday. 730 00:36:00,058 --> 00:36:03,538 Speaker 2: Okay, well we'll get to that in a second. But defensively, 731 00:36:04,698 --> 00:36:09,818 Speaker 2: look right now, defensive is scary, and it's scaring me 732 00:36:09,978 --> 00:36:14,538 Speaker 2: because they still have some major, major holes to fill 733 00:36:14,578 --> 00:36:17,458 Speaker 2: on the offensive side of the football, holes that are 734 00:36:17,498 --> 00:36:21,138 Speaker 2: gonna take high end resources to fill. Like you just 735 00:36:21,178 --> 00:36:24,418 Speaker 2: don't pluck left tackles and wide receiver ones out of 736 00:36:24,458 --> 00:36:27,018 Speaker 2: thin air, like you have to go and invest in 737 00:36:27,098 --> 00:36:27,858 Speaker 2: those types. 738 00:36:27,658 --> 00:36:29,698 Speaker 1: Of players, maybe both. 739 00:36:30,538 --> 00:36:32,498 Speaker 2: So now all of a sudden that we're starting to 740 00:36:32,538 --> 00:36:36,258 Speaker 2: see some significant holes on the defensive side of the football, 741 00:36:36,778 --> 00:36:38,978 Speaker 2: you start to think to yourself, well, where are they 742 00:36:38,978 --> 00:36:41,618 Speaker 2: going to get all these guys right? So I do 743 00:36:41,698 --> 00:36:45,458 Speaker 2: think the one benefit that they have looking at this defense. 744 00:36:46,298 --> 00:36:49,458 Speaker 2: I came away from this game kind of down on 745 00:36:49,498 --> 00:36:51,618 Speaker 2: Marcus Jones because he obviously gave up a lot of 746 00:36:51,698 --> 00:36:54,538 Speaker 2: yards in this game to Jalen and Waddle. But when 747 00:36:54,578 --> 00:36:57,297 Speaker 2: I watched the game back on film, I actually thought 748 00:36:57,338 --> 00:36:59,578 Speaker 2: the middle of the field was a much bigger problem. 749 00:36:59,818 --> 00:37:02,258 Speaker 2: Like Marcus Jones has his limitations. He's always going to 750 00:37:02,338 --> 00:37:04,538 Speaker 2: be five foot eight, right, it's always going to be he's. 751 00:37:04,458 --> 00:37:06,777 Speaker 1: A slot corner, like that was my I thought he 752 00:37:06,898 --> 00:37:10,058 Speaker 1: was in the right spot more often than the numbers 753 00:37:10,098 --> 00:37:13,978 Speaker 1: would indicate. Yeah, like there there were two three plays 754 00:37:13,978 --> 00:37:16,538 Speaker 1: where he's right there and Jalen Wall just climbs the 755 00:37:16,578 --> 00:37:18,698 Speaker 1: ladder and goes against the football. Yeah right, I say 756 00:37:18,738 --> 00:37:20,337 Speaker 1: this all the time. At a certain point five eighths, 757 00:37:20,378 --> 00:37:23,178 Speaker 1: five eight, you can't coach II, right. I think he's 758 00:37:23,178 --> 00:37:25,018 Speaker 1: a slot corner. I think he's a good slot corner. 759 00:37:25,298 --> 00:37:27,297 Speaker 1: But I think he's a slot corner. And for two 760 00:37:27,418 --> 00:37:29,938 Speaker 1: years now, they've been two non consecutive years. I guess 761 00:37:30,058 --> 00:37:32,498 Speaker 1: they've been trying to play him on the boundary to 762 00:37:33,138 --> 00:37:38,218 Speaker 1: hetch their death at a necessity, but not even And 763 00:37:38,818 --> 00:37:40,898 Speaker 1: maybe this game is a bad example because the Dolphins 764 00:37:40,938 --> 00:37:42,817 Speaker 1: have so much speed. But I talked about this last week. 765 00:37:43,218 --> 00:37:46,458 Speaker 1: Alex Austin has the size to play on the boundary. 766 00:37:46,618 --> 00:37:49,218 Speaker 1: Isaiah Bolden maybe doesn't have the and and Austin made 767 00:37:49,258 --> 00:37:51,138 Speaker 1: plays down the stretch last year. Yeah, Like, we know 768 00:37:51,218 --> 00:37:54,138 Speaker 1: he's a capable NFL corner. He's not an All Pro, 769 00:37:54,218 --> 00:37:57,218 Speaker 1: but he's capable NFL corner. Isaiah Bolden we haven't seen, 770 00:37:57,578 --> 00:37:59,857 Speaker 1: so there's the experience thing. But this is a guy 771 00:37:59,898 --> 00:38:03,898 Speaker 1: that has athleticism, has size. At what point, like how 772 00:38:03,898 --> 00:38:06,178 Speaker 1: many times do you have to see Marcus Jones get lost? 773 00:38:06,778 --> 00:38:08,618 Speaker 1: And it's not against Marcus Jones. I think he's been 774 00:38:08,658 --> 00:38:11,298 Speaker 1: put in a bad spot. Yeah, to be all right, 775 00:38:11,338 --> 00:38:13,018 Speaker 1: we're gonna give Bolden a shot, or we're gonna give 776 00:38:13,018 --> 00:38:13,658 Speaker 1: Austin a shot. 777 00:38:13,898 --> 00:38:15,778 Speaker 2: Yeah. So the way I looked at it with Marcus 778 00:38:15,898 --> 00:38:17,858 Speaker 2: Jones too is, you know, as the game were on, 779 00:38:17,978 --> 00:38:19,418 Speaker 2: and I know some of it came in the second 780 00:38:19,458 --> 00:38:22,417 Speaker 2: half when most people would probably say it was garbage time, 781 00:38:22,498 --> 00:38:25,498 Speaker 2: but he gave up some plays and then he made 782 00:38:25,498 --> 00:38:27,738 Speaker 2: some plays on the ball too. He competes, Yeah, so 783 00:38:27,778 --> 00:38:30,337 Speaker 2: he competes. I had no problem really in this game 784 00:38:31,018 --> 00:38:34,418 Speaker 2: on the whole with what Marcus Jones did, and I 785 00:38:34,418 --> 00:38:36,777 Speaker 2: had no problems with what Christian Gonzales did either. I 786 00:38:36,778 --> 00:38:39,018 Speaker 2: thought he's a stud, yeah, but I thought he you know, 787 00:38:39,058 --> 00:38:44,258 Speaker 2: those two guys at corner, we were competitive throughout the game. 788 00:38:45,018 --> 00:38:47,458 Speaker 2: The big issue that they had in this game was, 789 00:38:47,818 --> 00:38:50,378 Speaker 2: you know, I don't know what's going on with Kyle Duggar. 790 00:38:50,658 --> 00:38:51,058 Speaker 2: You know that. 791 00:38:51,178 --> 00:38:52,698 Speaker 1: I mean, you hope it's just the ankle. 792 00:38:52,858 --> 00:38:55,538 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have no idea what's going on with him mentally. 793 00:38:56,138 --> 00:38:58,378 Speaker 2: His eyes were in the wrong place this entire game. 794 00:38:58,818 --> 00:39:02,058 Speaker 2: His head was spinning. He had no idea where which 795 00:39:02,058 --> 00:39:04,978 Speaker 2: way was up right, like it was a bizarre Kyle. 796 00:39:05,298 --> 00:39:07,978 Speaker 1: So what you hope is you'll hear this guy sometimes 797 00:39:08,018 --> 00:39:10,258 Speaker 1: talk about this. When you have a lower body injury, 798 00:39:10,338 --> 00:39:14,098 Speaker 1: something that's gonna impact your ability to move to pop, 799 00:39:14,258 --> 00:39:19,777 Speaker 1: explode right, get change direction. You start overthinking the anticipation 800 00:39:19,898 --> 00:39:22,658 Speaker 1: because you can't read and react in the same speed 801 00:39:22,658 --> 00:39:24,858 Speaker 1: you normally do, so you try to get ahead of things, 802 00:39:25,058 --> 00:39:27,138 Speaker 1: and then to do that you have to gamble and 803 00:39:27,258 --> 00:39:29,817 Speaker 1: that can cost you big time. So you hope that's 804 00:39:29,818 --> 00:39:32,538 Speaker 1: what is Kyle Just his ankle's not one hundred percent, 805 00:39:32,898 --> 00:39:36,258 Speaker 1: He's he's jumping the gun and the reads aren't right, like, 806 00:39:36,298 --> 00:39:39,618 Speaker 1: that's what you hope. If if it's just too complex 807 00:39:39,658 --> 00:39:42,218 Speaker 1: for him, which he's you go back a couple of years, 808 00:39:42,298 --> 00:39:44,818 Speaker 1: very instinctive player, which is why it's so surprising. But 809 00:39:45,298 --> 00:39:47,858 Speaker 1: if it's if his ankle really is limiting him that much, 810 00:39:48,498 --> 00:39:50,378 Speaker 1: maybe he's out there. Because again I had of necessity, 811 00:39:50,378 --> 00:39:52,777 Speaker 1: they're so banged up, But that was that was my 812 00:39:52,858 --> 00:39:55,658 Speaker 1: first thought. It just felt like he was maybe pressing 813 00:39:55,658 --> 00:39:58,337 Speaker 1: a bit much to try to compensate for for maybe 814 00:39:58,378 --> 00:39:59,698 Speaker 1: not being one hundred percent physically. 815 00:39:59,818 --> 00:40:01,738 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I had him for I think seventy six 816 00:40:01,898 --> 00:40:04,778 Speaker 2: yards allowed in coverage, and I felt like he was 817 00:40:04,858 --> 00:40:07,818 Speaker 2: responsible or at least had a hand in all four 818 00:40:07,858 --> 00:40:11,578 Speaker 2: touchdowns that the Dolphins scored in this game. So his 819 00:40:11,618 --> 00:40:14,498 Speaker 2: head was spinning in it. And it wasn't just plays 820 00:40:14,538 --> 00:40:17,058 Speaker 2: where he was actually the primary target either. It was 821 00:40:17,098 --> 00:40:20,178 Speaker 2: plays where he was playing zones over the middle or 822 00:40:20,258 --> 00:40:22,258 Speaker 2: help defense over the middle of the field, and he 823 00:40:22,418 --> 00:40:24,297 Speaker 2: just wasn't in the right place as the entire game. 824 00:40:24,338 --> 00:40:27,858 Speaker 2: And then you also go back to the fact continually 825 00:40:28,058 --> 00:40:31,418 Speaker 2: still that they have issues at line and coverage. And 826 00:40:31,458 --> 00:40:34,018 Speaker 2: we've talked about this for how many years going back now, 827 00:40:34,258 --> 00:40:36,297 Speaker 2: you know, probably since we started covering this team, right 828 00:40:36,658 --> 00:40:38,178 Speaker 2: that their linebackers. 829 00:40:37,658 --> 00:40:39,938 Speaker 1: Aren't good in space and miss Mackills. 830 00:40:39,498 --> 00:40:42,418 Speaker 2: Don't don't cover well. Uh so, you know, Jelani taviz 831 00:40:42,738 --> 00:40:45,817 Speaker 2: Ony Taki Taki, Christian Ellis, you know, they put these 832 00:40:45,818 --> 00:40:49,058 Speaker 2: guys on the field and these teams, you know, guys 833 00:40:49,058 --> 00:40:51,698 Speaker 2: that these teams are smart. They are just stretching those 834 00:40:51,738 --> 00:40:54,578 Speaker 2: guys out and they're just attacking them in the middle 835 00:40:54,618 --> 00:40:57,337 Speaker 2: of the numbers, right between the numbers. So you look 836 00:40:57,338 --> 00:40:59,458 Speaker 2: at this game from Tua. He he did it like 837 00:40:59,498 --> 00:41:01,338 Speaker 2: that was where he did most of his damage. It 838 00:41:01,418 --> 00:41:04,258 Speaker 2: wasn't on the corners right like it was a lot 839 00:41:04,258 --> 00:41:07,297 Speaker 2: of it was on linebackers and safeties. And so now 840 00:41:07,338 --> 00:41:10,538 Speaker 2: we just add that into the mix of you know, 841 00:41:10,578 --> 00:41:15,138 Speaker 2: they probably do need a true second boundary or outside corner. 842 00:41:15,658 --> 00:41:18,018 Speaker 1: Oh that was Matt's take. He wasn't tackles the Austin 843 00:41:18,058 --> 00:41:18,898 Speaker 1: Hooper corners. 844 00:41:18,978 --> 00:41:21,098 Speaker 2: Okay, well that's also true now, that. 845 00:41:21,338 --> 00:41:23,658 Speaker 1: To which I said Jason mccordy twenty nineteen. 846 00:41:23,498 --> 00:41:26,578 Speaker 2: Yeah, that I think you can find in free agency legitimately, 847 00:41:26,658 --> 00:41:28,658 Speaker 2: you know, like they'll be guys available. I don't know 848 00:41:28,618 --> 00:41:31,178 Speaker 2: if all of them will hit free agency by you know, 849 00:41:31,378 --> 00:41:35,658 Speaker 2: DJ Reed, Javarius Ward, Carlton Davis, Like they have the 850 00:41:35,698 --> 00:41:37,138 Speaker 2: money to go out and pay one of those. 851 00:41:37,138 --> 00:41:39,337 Speaker 1: Carlon Davis a great and he's I was a big 852 00:41:39,378 --> 00:41:42,418 Speaker 1: fan of Carlton Davis when Brady was in Tampa. You know, 853 00:41:42,618 --> 00:41:46,498 Speaker 1: I thought he was like gonna break out, really physical guy, 854 00:41:46,778 --> 00:41:51,018 Speaker 1: not quite the player he was, but opposite Gonzales, I 855 00:41:51,018 --> 00:41:52,018 Speaker 1: think would give you enough. 856 00:41:52,298 --> 00:41:55,618 Speaker 2: Yeah, so they have him, uh or they have that need, 857 00:41:56,298 --> 00:41:59,298 Speaker 2: then they have what I would just call in general, 858 00:41:59,338 --> 00:42:01,458 Speaker 2: and I were talking about this on on PU a 859 00:42:01,498 --> 00:42:04,498 Speaker 2: little bit. It's like a philosophical need as much as 860 00:42:04,498 --> 00:42:06,338 Speaker 2: it is a personnel need to me, Like, how do 861 00:42:06,418 --> 00:42:09,658 Speaker 2: you want, Like what's a Patriot linebacker now? Like, as 862 00:42:09,698 --> 00:42:12,618 Speaker 2: a Patriot linebacker now still going to be Jilani Tava, 863 00:42:12,738 --> 00:42:16,418 Speaker 2: Juan Bentley, you know, two fifty two fifty five. Well, 864 00:42:16,458 --> 00:42:18,578 Speaker 2: the weird thing is that is that what we're still doing. 865 00:42:18,658 --> 00:42:22,178 Speaker 1: Bentley just got good at covering guys at two sixty. 866 00:42:22,458 --> 00:42:25,857 Speaker 2: Yeah, his instincts and like his reads and stuff like that. 867 00:42:25,938 --> 00:42:29,297 Speaker 1: Really, you're probably not gonna just find that, like you're 868 00:42:29,298 --> 00:42:31,738 Speaker 1: gonna that that's something you have to develop. Now. This 869 00:42:31,858 --> 00:42:33,578 Speaker 1: is I know you said you don't want to go 870 00:42:33,618 --> 00:42:34,778 Speaker 1: back to the draft, and I keep going back to 871 00:42:34,818 --> 00:42:37,018 Speaker 1: the draft. I think there's a really good linebacker class, 872 00:42:37,098 --> 00:42:39,377 Speaker 1: especially with these kind of guys. So maybe they find 873 00:42:39,418 --> 00:42:41,378 Speaker 1: that guy, but like that's the I think the guy 874 00:42:41,418 --> 00:42:43,298 Speaker 1: they want is a two hundred fifty pound guy that 875 00:42:43,378 --> 00:42:46,538 Speaker 1: can cover those guys aren't falling off trees. Yeah, like 876 00:42:46,578 --> 00:42:49,297 Speaker 1: you gotta even if you feel like Fred Warner, right, 877 00:42:49,378 --> 00:42:51,658 Speaker 1: Fred Warner, but he's only like two thirty, right, right, 878 00:42:51,698 --> 00:42:53,218 Speaker 1: He's not set two forty five. 879 00:42:53,258 --> 00:42:56,418 Speaker 2: He's not that big relatively speaking, like obviously he's an 880 00:42:56,538 --> 00:42:59,418 Speaker 2: NFL linebackers. I'm not saying he's a small guy. But 881 00:42:59,618 --> 00:43:03,738 Speaker 2: like where Fred Warner is, like, you know, a unique specimen. 882 00:43:03,898 --> 00:43:06,178 Speaker 1: I thought he was much thirty. 883 00:43:06,338 --> 00:43:09,418 Speaker 2: No, yeah, he's got that. He's he's just a freak, right, 884 00:43:09,458 --> 00:43:11,978 Speaker 2: And so you look at that, and I just think 885 00:43:11,978 --> 00:43:15,098 Speaker 2: this is a big question. You know, not well, I 886 00:43:15,138 --> 00:43:17,817 Speaker 2: think it's important for us to push things forward as 887 00:43:17,898 --> 00:43:20,978 Speaker 2: always and uh and look ahead with this team, especially 888 00:43:21,018 --> 00:43:24,018 Speaker 2: in the state they're in right now. I just wonder 889 00:43:24,898 --> 00:43:28,578 Speaker 2: from an evaluation standpoint, like when Gerad goes to Elliott 890 00:43:28,618 --> 00:43:30,658 Speaker 2: Wolfe and says, like this is what I need, Like, 891 00:43:31,018 --> 00:43:34,498 Speaker 2: you know, are we still going with the Belichick prototypes? 892 00:43:34,538 --> 00:43:38,578 Speaker 2: Because what I see defensively, and I'm willing to chalk 893 00:43:38,658 --> 00:43:41,218 Speaker 2: the Dugger game up to one really bad game for now, 894 00:43:42,458 --> 00:43:45,498 Speaker 2: but just in general, what I'm seeing with with with 895 00:43:45,538 --> 00:43:48,618 Speaker 2: the defense is that all these tweeers, like all these 896 00:43:48,738 --> 00:43:54,898 Speaker 2: hybrid type players to buy Dugger Mapu, even who I 897 00:43:54,938 --> 00:43:57,298 Speaker 2: think could be a useful player if you used correctly, 898 00:43:57,338 --> 00:44:00,698 Speaker 2: but you still you're still banging the table Fornaer. 899 00:44:01,218 --> 00:44:05,377 Speaker 1: But like all these players that that Belichick brought in 900 00:44:05,898 --> 00:44:08,817 Speaker 1: that he kind of had that secret sauce of like 901 00:44:09,178 --> 00:44:12,018 Speaker 1: I know exactly how to use Jolani Tova right, Like 902 00:44:12,258 --> 00:44:14,498 Speaker 1: I know exactly what he is, I know what his 903 00:44:14,578 --> 00:44:17,218 Speaker 1: weaknesses are. I know exactly how we're going to cover 904 00:44:17,338 --> 00:44:17,698 Speaker 1: him up. 905 00:44:18,018 --> 00:44:20,818 Speaker 2: Like I don't know if they have that kind of 906 00:44:20,818 --> 00:44:24,378 Speaker 2: coaching anymore, and they might need guys that are more 907 00:44:24,778 --> 00:44:28,058 Speaker 2: not Belichick system fits, which is like his own thing, 908 00:44:28,458 --> 00:44:30,978 Speaker 2: but like just traditional system fits and the type of. 909 00:44:30,978 --> 00:44:34,578 Speaker 1: Sit I on that just well rounded because what they 910 00:44:34,578 --> 00:44:36,857 Speaker 1: would do Jilani Tavai kyle Vin Noy is a great 911 00:44:36,898 --> 00:44:39,458 Speaker 1: example of this. Juan Bentley early in his career. Again, 912 00:44:39,498 --> 00:44:41,258 Speaker 1: he's he rounded his game out the last year, so 913 00:44:41,298 --> 00:44:42,498 Speaker 1: he just starts a ton of credit for that. But 914 00:44:43,018 --> 00:44:46,138 Speaker 1: like a lot of the Belichick linebacker things, it felt 915 00:44:46,178 --> 00:44:48,698 Speaker 1: like was predicated on because they would keep a ton 916 00:44:48,738 --> 00:44:50,858 Speaker 1: of linebackers on the roster. Nose, I'm gonna ask you 917 00:44:50,898 --> 00:44:52,858 Speaker 1: to do one thing. You get like, all right, this 918 00:44:52,938 --> 00:44:55,018 Speaker 1: guy can't cover, but he can shoot a gap, or 919 00:44:55,498 --> 00:44:57,817 Speaker 1: this guy you know, can't shoot a gap, but he's 920 00:44:57,858 --> 00:44:59,538 Speaker 1: really good on the edge or whatever, and it's like 921 00:44:59,658 --> 00:45:01,338 Speaker 1: we're gonna have you do this one thing, and it 922 00:45:01,618 --> 00:45:03,777 Speaker 1: maybe some of it is just personnel, they're so banged up, 923 00:45:03,818 --> 00:45:06,938 Speaker 1: but it feels like they now are asking linebackers to 924 00:45:07,018 --> 00:45:09,658 Speaker 1: have a more comprehensive role, and you need a different 925 00:45:09,738 --> 00:45:11,818 Speaker 1: kind of player for that. You need a guy. Maybe 926 00:45:11,818 --> 00:45:14,857 Speaker 1: you can't get a guy that's elite at one thing. 927 00:45:15,178 --> 00:45:17,138 Speaker 1: You gotta take a little bit less from the one 928 00:45:17,218 --> 00:45:18,978 Speaker 1: trait and find a guy that's more of a well 929 00:45:19,058 --> 00:45:22,458 Speaker 1: rounded player. The thing is, those well rounded players are 930 00:45:22,618 --> 00:45:24,218 Speaker 1: usually a little bit on the smaller side. So if 931 00:45:24,218 --> 00:45:26,098 Speaker 1: you still want that two hundred and fifty five pounds 932 00:45:26,138 --> 00:45:29,098 Speaker 1: in a linebacker, that guy's probably gonna be lacking in coverage. 933 00:45:29,178 --> 00:45:30,897 Speaker 1: So okay, you want to go find the two hundred 934 00:45:30,898 --> 00:45:33,058 Speaker 1: and thirty pound linebacker to spell him in coverage. You 935 00:45:33,098 --> 00:45:34,857 Speaker 1: want to go find mac Wilson. You can do that, 936 00:45:35,258 --> 00:45:37,178 Speaker 1: but then you have to be willing to make those 937 00:45:37,218 --> 00:45:41,098 Speaker 1: substitutions and have those different packages, which again, it just 938 00:45:41,138 --> 00:45:42,578 Speaker 1: feels like this year, and maybe it's just because they 939 00:45:42,578 --> 00:45:46,058 Speaker 1: have no bodies, but this year it feels more like 940 00:45:46,098 --> 00:45:48,498 Speaker 1: they're at like asking Jolani to vie to cover. He 941 00:45:48,538 --> 00:45:50,098 Speaker 1: wasn't asked to do that the last few years. People 942 00:45:50,098 --> 00:45:52,258 Speaker 1: say How why did Jelanie Devi get so much worse 943 00:45:52,538 --> 00:45:54,817 Speaker 1: in one season. I don't think he got worse. He's 944 00:45:54,898 --> 00:45:57,298 Speaker 1: just being asked to do things he wasn't asked to 945 00:45:57,338 --> 00:45:59,738 Speaker 1: do the last two years, and they're not strengths of 946 00:45:59,778 --> 00:46:02,018 Speaker 1: his and he's doing less of the things that are strengths. 947 00:46:02,098 --> 00:46:04,578 Speaker 1: But they maybe need him doing it because when Bentley 948 00:46:04,578 --> 00:46:06,538 Speaker 1: goes down, who else is playing off the ball? They 949 00:46:06,578 --> 00:46:09,258 Speaker 1: tried McMillan, he wasn't playing well. You know, They've moved 950 00:46:09,298 --> 00:46:12,218 Speaker 1: on to Christian Ellis and that's work to an extent. 951 00:46:12,338 --> 00:46:16,338 Speaker 1: He's been better than Tavia was. But maybe it's not necessarily. 952 00:46:16,338 --> 00:46:20,417 Speaker 1: Maybe the prototype is just the well rounded guy. It's 953 00:46:20,498 --> 00:46:21,698 Speaker 1: not a specialist. 954 00:46:21,978 --> 00:46:23,778 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's a good way of putting it. 955 00:46:23,858 --> 00:46:26,818 Speaker 2: And it's just something that I've been thinking about with 956 00:46:26,818 --> 00:46:30,377 Speaker 2: with Mayo, DeMarcus Covington, you know, assuming that that cover 957 00:46:30,818 --> 00:46:34,458 Speaker 2: who look, I'll say this about the entire coaching staff. 958 00:46:34,978 --> 00:46:37,777 Speaker 2: Girodmeo needs to go into this offseason with his eyes 959 00:46:37,818 --> 00:46:40,938 Speaker 2: wide open about his coaching staff. I remember back and 960 00:46:41,058 --> 00:46:42,978 Speaker 2: I'm sure you probably remember this at the list a 961 00:46:43,018 --> 00:46:46,258 Speaker 2: little bit when they hired their coaches. One of the 962 00:46:46,298 --> 00:46:48,938 Speaker 2: first things that he said at his press conference when 963 00:46:48,938 --> 00:46:52,777 Speaker 2: he introduced the coordinators was that he might not get 964 00:46:52,778 --> 00:46:54,978 Speaker 2: it right on the first try, right, like there might 965 00:46:55,018 --> 00:46:56,938 Speaker 2: be some coaches where he didn't get it right on 966 00:46:56,978 --> 00:46:59,258 Speaker 2: the first try. And I just look at that across 967 00:46:59,258 --> 00:47:01,258 Speaker 2: the board, like I'm not trying to single anybody out. 968 00:47:01,338 --> 00:47:03,258 Speaker 2: I look at it across the board on the staff 969 00:47:03,498 --> 00:47:06,178 Speaker 2: like it just might not be the answer, right, And 970 00:47:06,218 --> 00:47:09,218 Speaker 2: you have to move on quickly in this league, because really, 971 00:47:09,578 --> 00:47:11,578 Speaker 2: I would say after the year that they've had this year, 972 00:47:11,618 --> 00:47:14,258 Speaker 2: assuming that they don't go and rattle off five straight wins, 973 00:47:14,258 --> 00:47:17,738 Speaker 2: which I think we can all safely assume they have 974 00:47:17,818 --> 00:47:21,298 Speaker 2: one more year before it really starts to get testy 975 00:47:21,458 --> 00:47:24,338 Speaker 2: with your odd mao, right, like he's got one more season. 976 00:47:24,458 --> 00:47:26,858 Speaker 2: Next year, they're gonna draft high, they're gonna spend a 977 00:47:26,858 --> 00:47:29,258 Speaker 2: bunch of money on players, and then they have to 978 00:47:29,298 --> 00:47:31,498 Speaker 2: start having some results here and they have to start 979 00:47:31,538 --> 00:47:34,538 Speaker 2: winning some games. So if you're girod Mayo, you don't 980 00:47:34,538 --> 00:47:39,258 Speaker 2: have all this leash to carry DeMarcus Covington because he's 981 00:47:39,578 --> 00:47:41,777 Speaker 2: a guy you liked with Bill and he's your guy 982 00:47:41,818 --> 00:47:43,538 Speaker 2: and you kind of game up together and this that 983 00:47:43,618 --> 00:47:45,738 Speaker 2: and the other thing. If he's not getting the job done, 984 00:47:45,738 --> 00:47:48,658 Speaker 2: then you got to move on because your job's on 985 00:47:48,698 --> 00:47:52,498 Speaker 2: the line too. And I look at them philosophically defensively, 986 00:47:52,818 --> 00:47:55,698 Speaker 2: and I do think they need to answer that difficult 987 00:47:55,738 --> 00:47:59,538 Speaker 2: question going into next offseason and have this conversation between 988 00:48:00,018 --> 00:48:04,378 Speaker 2: Gerard and Elliott Wolfe specifically of you know, how do 989 00:48:04,458 --> 00:48:08,178 Speaker 2: we want to build this defense? And you might have 990 00:48:08,258 --> 00:48:10,738 Speaker 2: to be a little bit more systemic, like it might 991 00:48:10,818 --> 00:48:14,938 Speaker 2: not be an amoeba game plan defense where everything changes 992 00:48:15,098 --> 00:48:18,098 Speaker 2: constantly week to week, and these guys are hybrids and 993 00:48:18,138 --> 00:48:20,458 Speaker 2: this guy's adjuster as they like to used to call 994 00:48:20,538 --> 00:48:23,338 Speaker 2: Jelani Tavai, you know, like you have to be You 995 00:48:23,418 --> 00:48:25,898 Speaker 2: might have to have, you know, like some of these 996 00:48:25,938 --> 00:48:29,857 Speaker 2: other coaches and these other trees, you know, the Fangio Tree, 997 00:48:29,858 --> 00:48:32,938 Speaker 2: the Seattle three guys, like that's just the system and 998 00:48:32,978 --> 00:48:34,898 Speaker 2: they just run it. They'll have their little game plan 999 00:48:35,018 --> 00:48:37,818 Speaker 2: wrinkles here and there, but they have their types of players, 1000 00:48:37,858 --> 00:48:41,058 Speaker 2: they have their system and they stick to that and 1001 00:48:41,098 --> 00:48:44,258 Speaker 2: they just try to get really really good and really 1002 00:48:44,298 --> 00:48:47,817 Speaker 2: really good personnel for what they want to do defensively 1003 00:48:47,858 --> 00:48:51,258 Speaker 2: instead of just being the Belichick defense, Like, well Bill's 1004 00:48:51,298 --> 00:48:54,418 Speaker 2: not here, anymore. So you're not the Belichick defense anymore. 1005 00:48:54,018 --> 00:48:56,378 Speaker 1: And that means maybe redefining players. So while you're watching 1006 00:48:56,498 --> 00:48:59,538 Speaker 1: LSU Harold Perkins linebacker. 1007 00:48:59,218 --> 00:49:02,538 Speaker 2: Of course, gotta gotta make it watch the draft, gotta 1008 00:49:02,578 --> 00:49:05,937 Speaker 2: make it about the draw it all right. A couple 1009 00:49:06,018 --> 00:49:07,618 Speaker 2: of more things that I just got to get off 1010 00:49:07,698 --> 00:49:10,178 Speaker 2: my chest is I'm sorry for you know, the abbreviated 1011 00:49:10,218 --> 00:49:12,658 Speaker 2: show here today. So we were running out of time. 1012 00:49:13,138 --> 00:49:15,578 Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna stick with this game from Sunday 1013 00:49:15,578 --> 00:49:18,377 Speaker 2: against Miami for the most part, and maybe we'll throw 1014 00:49:18,418 --> 00:49:20,058 Speaker 2: some ups and downs in there. Yeah you have you 1015 00:49:20,098 --> 00:49:22,258 Speaker 2: can hear that. But I have one more thing I 1016 00:49:22,258 --> 00:49:25,377 Speaker 2: want to get off my chest. So the last thing, 1017 00:49:25,538 --> 00:49:28,778 Speaker 2: just because you know, I already took down their entire 1018 00:49:29,498 --> 00:49:32,698 Speaker 2: you know, hot system an answer to pressure, because that 1019 00:49:32,538 --> 00:49:35,618 Speaker 2: that Miami took it down, so I didn't do it first, right. 1020 00:49:35,658 --> 00:49:38,857 Speaker 2: The other thing that really has irked me all season long, 1021 00:49:38,858 --> 00:49:40,978 Speaker 2: and I feel like a broken record talking about this, 1022 00:49:41,818 --> 00:49:46,138 Speaker 2: their play action concepts do not work, and their play 1023 00:49:46,178 --> 00:49:51,818 Speaker 2: action game it does not marry this. The run actions 1024 00:49:51,858 --> 00:49:54,698 Speaker 2: do not marry to the routes. Okay, so I'll give 1025 00:49:54,698 --> 00:49:58,498 Speaker 2: you an example. They ran a play action play from pistol, 1026 00:49:58,858 --> 00:50:01,378 Speaker 2: which I was there. We go. This is what I've 1027 00:50:01,378 --> 00:50:04,458 Speaker 2: been waiting to see. They pulled the guard from pistol 1028 00:50:05,178 --> 00:50:07,818 Speaker 2: and they get the linebackers to bite. They get the 1029 00:50:07,818 --> 00:50:10,978 Speaker 2: linebackers up into the line of scrimmage, and then they 1030 00:50:11,058 --> 00:50:15,218 Speaker 2: run two routes on the outside off of that run. 1031 00:50:15,498 --> 00:50:18,458 Speaker 2: So think about it this way. When you run that 1032 00:50:18,618 --> 00:50:21,498 Speaker 2: guard pole right, you're trying to get the linebackers up 1033 00:50:21,778 --> 00:50:24,018 Speaker 2: vacate the middle. So you're trying to vacate the middle 1034 00:50:24,018 --> 00:50:26,058 Speaker 2: of the field. They don't run a single route into 1035 00:50:26,138 --> 00:50:30,178 Speaker 2: the middle of the field. Nothing Brittain, no crosser, no seam, 1036 00:50:30,658 --> 00:50:36,498 Speaker 2: no post, no slant, no nothing. So Miami runs the 1037 00:50:36,858 --> 00:50:41,098 Speaker 2: exact same concept two in the pistol, pull the guard 1038 00:50:41,418 --> 00:50:44,138 Speaker 2: and they hit John Newsmith on a little shallow crosser 1039 00:50:44,178 --> 00:50:47,178 Speaker 2: going across the middle. And you just see that juxtaposition 1040 00:50:47,298 --> 00:50:50,578 Speaker 2: of like what it looks like when it's designed correctly 1041 00:50:50,618 --> 00:50:52,458 Speaker 2: and what it looks like when the Patriots run it. 1042 00:50:52,818 --> 00:50:55,618 Speaker 2: And the Patriots are running it with an out and 1043 00:50:55,858 --> 00:50:59,738 Speaker 2: a nine stop outside the numbers, Like, I, how does that? 1044 00:51:00,218 --> 00:51:05,297 Speaker 2: You're trying to you're trying to displace linebackers and then 1045 00:51:05,338 --> 00:51:07,938 Speaker 2: you're throwing at corners right, Like that just doesn't make 1046 00:51:07,938 --> 00:51:10,578 Speaker 2: any sense. And Drake May you know, hits the top 1047 00:51:10,618 --> 00:51:13,618 Speaker 2: of his drop and is just like where am I 1048 00:51:13,658 --> 00:51:15,058 Speaker 2: supposed to go with this football? 1049 00:51:15,138 --> 00:51:15,297 Speaker 1: Right? 1050 00:51:15,338 --> 00:51:18,218 Speaker 2: Like the corners, they don't have any run pass conflict, 1051 00:51:18,538 --> 00:51:20,817 Speaker 2: so they're looking at they're just covering their guys, right, 1052 00:51:20,858 --> 00:51:23,618 Speaker 2: there's no poll, there's no conflict in the defense. 1053 00:51:24,018 --> 00:51:26,578 Speaker 1: So the past the play action pass game just has 1054 00:51:26,618 --> 00:51:29,378 Speaker 1: not married up all season long, and it feels like 1055 00:51:29,418 --> 00:51:32,058 Speaker 1: they're just leaving yard on the field because of that, 1056 00:51:32,258 --> 00:51:33,858 Speaker 1: and it just. 1057 00:51:33,858 --> 00:51:35,818 Speaker 2: Doesn't make much sense. Like how many times did we 1058 00:51:35,858 --> 00:51:38,538 Speaker 2: see I talk about this every week, and he's gonna 1059 00:51:38,538 --> 00:51:41,018 Speaker 2: be in here at some point this afternoon, so I'll 1060 00:51:41,018 --> 00:51:44,417 Speaker 2: bring him up. How many times did we see pull 1061 00:51:44,458 --> 00:51:48,178 Speaker 2: the guard, play action pass, gronk up the seam? Like 1062 00:51:48,578 --> 00:51:52,178 Speaker 2: that was a Patriots staple for a decade, Right, how 1063 00:51:52,178 --> 00:51:56,218 Speaker 2: many times do we see that in this offense? Never? Never, 1064 00:51:56,338 --> 00:51:59,058 Speaker 2: because they don't run those types of concepts. They have 1065 00:51:59,138 --> 00:52:02,338 Speaker 2: two tight ends that are capable receivers, like, they have 1066 00:52:02,418 --> 00:52:04,298 Speaker 2: two tight ends that have been good. 1067 00:52:04,098 --> 00:52:05,898 Speaker 1: First time in a while, Like this is one of 1068 00:52:05,898 --> 00:52:08,018 Speaker 1: the best Patriots. This is probably the best Patriots tight 1069 00:52:08,058 --> 00:52:09,298 Speaker 1: end year since Gronk retired. 1070 00:52:09,618 --> 00:52:14,337 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just that piece of it is really has 1071 00:52:14,378 --> 00:52:17,898 Speaker 2: infuriated me to no end. And the last thing just 1072 00:52:18,258 --> 00:52:20,058 Speaker 2: to go on the defense and make this just the 1073 00:52:20,098 --> 00:52:23,498 Speaker 2: whole you know, s Sandwich. I can talk special teams 1074 00:52:23,498 --> 00:52:25,498 Speaker 2: after you, and I'll let you finish with the special 1075 00:52:25,538 --> 00:52:31,098 Speaker 2: teams once again. They're playing Miami, who's probably I would 1076 00:52:31,138 --> 00:52:33,018 Speaker 2: say Miami is probably the fastest. 1077 00:52:32,618 --> 00:52:33,578 Speaker 1: Offense in the NFL. 1078 00:52:33,618 --> 00:52:37,018 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, guess how many snaps and base defense the 1079 00:52:37,018 --> 00:52:38,218 Speaker 2: Patriots played in this game. 1080 00:52:39,338 --> 00:52:41,417 Speaker 1: Probably around I'm gonna guess around forty percent. 1081 00:52:41,898 --> 00:52:44,178 Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty five snaps in based defense. 1082 00:52:43,938 --> 00:52:45,058 Speaker 1: Out of what like sixty plays. 1083 00:52:45,138 --> 00:52:47,138 Speaker 2: Yeah, against Miami. 1084 00:52:47,738 --> 00:52:51,698 Speaker 1: Yeah, against these receivers, against old friend Johnny Smith, who, 1085 00:52:51,858 --> 00:52:54,258 Speaker 1: for all of his faults with the Patriots is an athletic, 1086 00:52:54,578 --> 00:52:56,938 Speaker 1: you know, explosive tight end. I think we're kind of 1087 00:52:57,018 --> 00:53:00,578 Speaker 1: learning what went wrong between the Patriots and John new Smith. 1088 00:53:00,698 --> 00:53:04,178 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they they keep rolling based defense out there, 1089 00:53:04,858 --> 00:53:08,018 Speaker 2: and that goes back to me to like this philosophy 1090 00:53:08,058 --> 00:53:10,138 Speaker 2: thing that you know, every time we've asked the Marcus 1091 00:53:10,138 --> 00:53:12,938 Speaker 2: Comington about this, they want to stop the run like 1092 00:53:13,018 --> 00:53:15,818 Speaker 2: it's a phil philistophigs, which they did do to stop 1093 00:53:15,858 --> 00:53:17,218 Speaker 2: the run. It was the one thing they did well 1094 00:53:17,218 --> 00:53:19,658 Speaker 2: in this game two point seven yards per carry foram. Yeah, 1095 00:53:19,778 --> 00:53:22,458 Speaker 2: that they stopped to run, But you can stop to 1096 00:53:22,538 --> 00:53:25,498 Speaker 2: run all day long. If your linebackers can't cover, then 1097 00:53:25,498 --> 00:53:27,698 Speaker 2: they're gonna just get you in base defense and they're 1098 00:53:27,738 --> 00:53:29,178 Speaker 2: just gonna throw the ball into your base da. 1099 00:53:29,418 --> 00:53:30,857 Speaker 1: It goes back to what we were just talkingalking about. 1100 00:53:30,898 --> 00:53:32,578 Speaker 1: If this is what you want your identity to be, 1101 00:53:33,538 --> 00:53:37,178 Speaker 1: you need smaller, more athletic linebackers. Yeah, like fit like smaller. 1102 00:53:37,218 --> 00:53:41,658 Speaker 1: When I say smaller, that sounds counter intuitive to stopping 1103 00:53:41,658 --> 00:53:44,098 Speaker 1: the run. I guess the better way to phrase it'd be, 1104 00:53:44,258 --> 00:53:46,418 Speaker 1: if this one you want your identity to be, We're 1105 00:53:46,458 --> 00:53:48,738 Speaker 1: gonna play a lot of bass, so we're stout up front. 1106 00:53:48,898 --> 00:53:52,218 Speaker 1: You can't run on us. Then you need quicker linebackers 1107 00:53:52,218 --> 00:53:54,218 Speaker 1: because teams are gonna try to throw at that look, 1108 00:53:54,418 --> 00:53:56,498 Speaker 1: and you need linebackers that can hold up in coverage. 1109 00:53:56,578 --> 00:53:58,777 Speaker 1: So the linebackers that can hold up in coverage are 1110 00:53:58,858 --> 00:54:02,338 Speaker 1: usually smaller. So you need guys that are overly physical 1111 00:54:02,618 --> 00:54:05,418 Speaker 1: and play above their size. So maybe that's the new 1112 00:54:05,418 --> 00:54:08,498 Speaker 1: Patriots linebacker. Now what I just described is a very 1113 00:54:08,578 --> 00:54:11,378 Speaker 1: very very good play like, yeah, everybody, Oh yeah, this 1114 00:54:11,418 --> 00:54:13,898 Speaker 1: guy's really quick and he plays physically like I just 1115 00:54:14,018 --> 00:54:16,058 Speaker 1: you know, it's a great player. Those guys aren't easy 1116 00:54:16,098 --> 00:54:18,258 Speaker 1: to find, and it's probably as much a developmental thing 1117 00:54:18,378 --> 00:54:21,298 Speaker 1: is just drafting them. But if they want to play bass, 1118 00:54:21,298 --> 00:54:24,178 Speaker 1: like again, you need guys that can hold their own coverage. 1119 00:54:24,258 --> 00:54:25,938 Speaker 2: Okay, take us home with special teams. 1120 00:54:26,058 --> 00:54:28,618 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, this was not a great special teams game. 1121 00:54:28,898 --> 00:54:31,418 Speaker 1: They set up Joey Sli for a forty five yard 1122 00:54:31,418 --> 00:54:35,258 Speaker 1: field goal. He jinks that you had a chank ish 1123 00:54:35,578 --> 00:54:40,738 Speaker 1: from Bryce Beringer after they watched another end of half situation. 1124 00:54:41,858 --> 00:54:45,098 Speaker 1: And I still don't know what happened on that first 1125 00:54:45,098 --> 00:54:48,978 Speaker 1: punt where Malik Washington it's not a fair catch. He's 1126 00:54:49,018 --> 00:54:51,458 Speaker 1: just telling people to get away and schoolers like standing 1127 00:54:51,538 --> 00:54:55,578 Speaker 1: right next to him. It doesn't tackle him. Yeah yeah, yeah, 1128 00:54:55,898 --> 00:55:01,538 Speaker 1: just no massive f ups. But there were enough hiccups 1129 00:55:01,538 --> 00:55:02,218 Speaker 1: that had stood out. 1130 00:55:02,338 --> 00:55:05,018 Speaker 2: So basically what we're saying is that this entire game 1131 00:55:05,138 --> 00:55:06,418 Speaker 2: was let's just burn the tame. 1132 00:55:06,578 --> 00:55:10,337 Speaker 1: So I've been using the Jets game, the first Jets game, 1133 00:55:10,578 --> 00:55:13,258 Speaker 1: as a barometer for especially when it comes to the 1134 00:55:13,298 --> 00:55:15,418 Speaker 1: coaching staff, as like the worst game of the year, 1135 00:55:16,058 --> 00:55:18,377 Speaker 1: and I think they've passed that because the Jets game. 1136 00:55:18,418 --> 00:55:20,178 Speaker 1: Not to make excuses, but it was a short week 1137 00:55:20,218 --> 00:55:21,978 Speaker 1: and we talked about that. Yeah, it's gonna be tough 1138 00:55:21,978 --> 00:55:23,978 Speaker 1: with the coaching staff on their first ever short week. 1139 00:55:24,178 --> 00:55:26,178 Speaker 1: You had a full week against a team you're used 1140 00:55:26,218 --> 00:55:28,218 Speaker 1: to playing, you know what to expect. You aready played 1141 00:55:28,258 --> 00:55:32,018 Speaker 1: him once this year and to come out looking at unprepared. 1142 00:55:32,578 --> 00:55:34,817 Speaker 1: Rod Meyos talked about a lack of focus, which Tom 1143 00:55:34,858 --> 00:55:38,658 Speaker 1: he goes back to preparation. There's no excuse for it. 1144 00:55:38,698 --> 00:55:41,098 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna rattle off my ups and downs because 1145 00:55:41,138 --> 00:55:42,618 Speaker 2: you didn't do them, so we can just. 1146 00:55:42,858 --> 00:55:45,178 Speaker 1: I mean, I know what they are written down. 1147 00:55:45,378 --> 00:55:49,018 Speaker 2: So, uh my number I did one offense in one 1148 00:55:49,098 --> 00:55:52,578 Speaker 2: defense because I wasn't giving them three for ups. Okay, 1149 00:55:53,218 --> 00:55:55,138 Speaker 2: My number one up in this game on offense was 1150 00:55:55,178 --> 00:55:57,538 Speaker 2: Mike on Winnu. I thought he was the only offensive 1151 00:55:57,578 --> 00:55:59,978 Speaker 2: lineman that that had a good game in this game. Really, 1152 00:56:00,018 --> 00:56:01,938 Speaker 2: But I mean, Ben Brown was fine, but they didn't 1153 00:56:02,018 --> 00:56:04,938 Speaker 2: challenge him much. But I had Mike on Wnu. 1154 00:56:04,978 --> 00:56:05,578 Speaker 1: With a hurry. 1155 00:56:05,818 --> 00:56:07,858 Speaker 2: He did a call for a hold. That was his 1156 00:56:07,938 --> 00:56:10,138 Speaker 2: one blemish I would say in this game. But he 1157 00:56:10,178 --> 00:56:12,978 Speaker 2: had four standout run blocks. Like early on they actually 1158 00:56:12,978 --> 00:56:15,538 Speaker 2: had some run game success. They just couldn't run the 1159 00:56:15,578 --> 00:56:17,658 Speaker 2: ball because of the score and on when it was 1160 00:56:17,698 --> 00:56:21,138 Speaker 2: moving people and it was doing some really standout work 1161 00:56:21,698 --> 00:56:24,418 Speaker 2: in the run game. I thought last week was better. 1162 00:56:24,898 --> 00:56:27,698 Speaker 2: This week was better again. So now that he's settled 1163 00:56:27,738 --> 00:56:30,098 Speaker 2: back in at right guard, I think we're starting to 1164 00:56:30,658 --> 00:56:32,698 Speaker 2: to go on a little bit of an upward trajectory 1165 00:56:32,738 --> 00:56:34,458 Speaker 2: with big Mic, which is good to see. 1166 00:56:34,898 --> 00:56:37,218 Speaker 1: I'll throw Ramondra Stevenson in there is an up Like 1167 00:56:37,218 --> 00:56:40,738 Speaker 1: you said, they didn't run a ton, but he wasn't 1168 00:56:40,818 --> 00:56:43,538 Speaker 1: running this way. He wasn't running this physically coming off 1169 00:56:43,618 --> 00:56:46,297 Speaker 1: that foot injury. In the last two games, I think 1170 00:56:46,298 --> 00:56:49,658 Speaker 1: he's gotten much back, much more in a form. He's 1171 00:56:49,658 --> 00:56:51,418 Speaker 1: looking like the guy he looked like in September. 1172 00:56:52,498 --> 00:56:54,978 Speaker 2: You so my number one up for the defense. My 1173 00:56:55,058 --> 00:56:58,018 Speaker 2: only up for the defense, Anthony Jennings. They're One good 1174 00:56:58,018 --> 00:56:59,578 Speaker 2: thing that they did in this game was stop the 1175 00:56:59,618 --> 00:57:02,098 Speaker 2: run on either side of the football. I had him 1176 00:57:02,138 --> 00:57:04,738 Speaker 2: for three stuffs in this game. Set the edge against 1177 00:57:04,738 --> 00:57:06,498 Speaker 2: the team that wants to get to the edge in 1178 00:57:06,538 --> 00:57:09,297 Speaker 2: the run game. Did a really nice job. Can't block 1179 00:57:09,378 --> 00:57:10,858 Speaker 2: him with a tight end in the run game. They 1180 00:57:10,898 --> 00:57:12,498 Speaker 2: tried to do that a couple times. It did not 1181 00:57:12,578 --> 00:57:16,578 Speaker 2: go well for Miami. So even though he's another one 1182 00:57:16,578 --> 00:57:18,818 Speaker 2: of these guys like we were talking about earlier, like 1183 00:57:18,858 --> 00:57:21,818 Speaker 2: he's a role specific player. You don't want him on 1184 00:57:21,858 --> 00:57:24,458 Speaker 2: the field on third down if you have a really 1185 00:57:24,498 --> 00:57:27,578 Speaker 2: good pass rush. But in his role first and second 1186 00:57:27,658 --> 00:57:29,698 Speaker 2: down defense, he's been. 1187 00:57:29,698 --> 00:57:32,738 Speaker 1: Very good and among the best in the league at that. Yeah, 1188 00:57:33,138 --> 00:57:36,178 Speaker 1: I'll go Christian Barmore. I kind of talked about it before. 1189 00:57:36,258 --> 00:57:38,378 Speaker 1: Just having the sack, getting back to that point, I 1190 00:57:38,378 --> 00:57:42,418 Speaker 1: think is an incredible accomplishment by him, by the medical 1191 00:57:42,418 --> 00:57:46,378 Speaker 1: staff here, and you know, again I wish it. It 1192 00:57:46,418 --> 00:57:48,258 Speaker 1: actually kind of came to a big ish moment in 1193 00:57:48,298 --> 00:57:50,498 Speaker 1: the game because they get that stop that's at the 1194 00:57:50,498 --> 00:57:52,218 Speaker 1: start of the half, and it's like, all right, you're 1195 00:57:52,258 --> 00:57:54,778 Speaker 1: only down three scores, can you get a quick touchdown? 1196 00:57:54,938 --> 00:57:58,618 Speaker 1: Didn't play out that way, but good for him forgetting 1197 00:57:58,618 --> 00:57:59,978 Speaker 1: the sack. There are a couple of other times where he 1198 00:58:00,018 --> 00:58:02,298 Speaker 1: sort of popped, like starting to win. He talked last 1199 00:58:02,338 --> 00:58:04,458 Speaker 1: week after the game back needing to get back into 1200 00:58:04,498 --> 00:58:07,378 Speaker 1: football shape, which takes a couple of weeks. I thought 1201 00:58:07,418 --> 00:58:12,178 Speaker 1: he looked just like physically athletically, there was a big 1202 00:58:12,258 --> 00:58:14,818 Speaker 1: jump from last week to this week, which is encouraging 1203 00:58:14,858 --> 00:58:17,218 Speaker 1: because you know he's that much closer to getting back. 1204 00:58:17,378 --> 00:58:19,098 Speaker 1: I don't think he's at one hundred percent right now. 1205 00:58:19,218 --> 00:58:20,898 Speaker 1: I would expect him to be a one hundred percent, 1206 00:58:21,258 --> 00:58:23,898 Speaker 1: but I think I don't know if you agree. I 1207 00:58:23,938 --> 00:58:26,138 Speaker 1: think that there was a noticeable jump from last week 1208 00:58:26,178 --> 00:58:26,898 Speaker 1: to this week. 1209 00:58:26,818 --> 00:58:28,978 Speaker 2: Maybe a little bit in terms of his motor and 1210 00:58:29,058 --> 00:58:32,978 Speaker 2: like his activity. I still don't see like the explosiveness 1211 00:58:32,978 --> 00:58:36,018 Speaker 2: and power that we're used to seeing with Christian Barmore, 1212 00:58:36,218 --> 00:58:40,258 Speaker 2: Like we're used to seeing Christian Barmore snap reaction right 1213 00:58:40,258 --> 00:58:43,938 Speaker 2: into guys and just denting them. But it looked last week. 1214 00:58:43,738 --> 00:58:45,978 Speaker 1: I guess like after each snap it looked like he'd 1215 00:58:45,978 --> 00:58:47,818 Speaker 1: been on the field for forty and this week it 1216 00:58:47,858 --> 00:58:49,698 Speaker 1: felt like a motor is a good way to put it. 1217 00:58:49,778 --> 00:58:52,338 Speaker 1: Like snap to snap there was he was more competitive. 1218 00:58:52,418 --> 00:58:55,498 Speaker 2: Okay, to the downs, that's all you get for ups. Yeah, 1219 00:58:55,498 --> 00:58:58,138 Speaker 2: to the downs. Obviously, Kyle Duger was was number one. 1220 00:58:59,018 --> 00:59:03,178 Speaker 2: We've already gone over that. Number two for me was 1221 00:59:04,538 --> 00:59:06,738 Speaker 2: I really couldn't like I couldn't talk. I could have 1222 00:59:06,738 --> 00:59:07,698 Speaker 2: abandoned this a whole list. 1223 00:59:08,218 --> 00:59:10,578 Speaker 1: Sorry to go back. Christian zalz deserves. I mean, he 1224 00:59:10,658 --> 00:59:11,138 Speaker 1: was really good. 1225 00:59:11,338 --> 00:59:13,138 Speaker 2: He was really good. He was good. 1226 00:59:13,378 --> 00:59:16,938 Speaker 1: He remember last year, Remember last year we had we 1227 00:59:17,018 --> 00:59:18,778 Speaker 1: kind of just took Barmore out of ups and downs 1228 00:59:18,778 --> 00:59:21,098 Speaker 1: because he was just every week. I think Christian Zalez 1229 00:59:21,298 --> 00:59:23,858 Speaker 1: is just like we're putting him in the Yeah, he 1230 00:59:23,898 --> 00:59:24,498 Speaker 1: was really good. 1231 00:59:24,818 --> 00:59:27,218 Speaker 2: You know, they obviously threw away from him, and teams 1232 00:59:27,258 --> 00:59:28,698 Speaker 2: are just gonna continue to do that. 1233 00:59:28,858 --> 00:59:30,818 Speaker 1: And why would you Why would you. 1234 00:59:30,818 --> 00:59:33,218 Speaker 2: Test Christian Gonzales when you could just test a linebacker 1235 00:59:33,378 --> 00:59:37,018 Speaker 2: right exactly safety on this Patriots defense. So Kyle Dugger 1236 00:59:37,178 --> 00:59:41,858 Speaker 2: was number one down. Number two down was the mantre 1237 00:59:41,978 --> 00:59:44,058 Speaker 2: Jacobs Vederien Lowe and Michael Jordan. 1238 00:59:44,098 --> 00:59:45,898 Speaker 1: You're ready for these two numbers. 1239 00:59:46,338 --> 00:59:50,178 Speaker 2: The three of those Patriots offensive lineman allowed five sacks 1240 00:59:50,258 --> 00:59:55,938 Speaker 2: and sixteen quarterback pressures in this game combined sixteen one 1241 00:59:56,098 --> 00:59:59,978 Speaker 2: six between three guys on the offensive line. All three 1242 01:00:00,018 --> 01:00:04,498 Speaker 2: of them struggled bigly in this game with different things, 1243 01:00:04,858 --> 01:00:08,098 Speaker 2: and so I put all three of them together on 1244 01:00:08,138 --> 01:00:08,858 Speaker 2: the downs list. 1245 01:00:08,938 --> 01:00:11,658 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have had the tackles. I guess you 1246 01:00:11,738 --> 01:00:13,578 Speaker 1: want to throw Jordan in there too. But that was 1247 01:00:14,938 --> 01:00:16,818 Speaker 1: as bad tackle play as you're going to see, is 1248 01:00:16,818 --> 01:00:18,218 Speaker 1: that right up there? I mean, we'll all remember that 1249 01:00:18,258 --> 01:00:20,338 Speaker 1: Eagles practice, right, that's kind of what we saw at 1250 01:00:20,338 --> 01:00:21,258 Speaker 1: the Eagles practice. Yeah. 1251 01:00:21,258 --> 01:00:24,098 Speaker 2: I didn't even include the nine penalties on the offensive 1252 01:00:24,098 --> 01:00:26,738 Speaker 2: line too. I probably the penalties probably could. 1253 01:00:26,578 --> 01:00:28,858 Speaker 1: Have and how about it, And it wasn't on the 1254 01:00:28,858 --> 01:00:32,018 Speaker 1: offensive line, an offensive off sides or offensive neutral zone 1255 01:00:32,058 --> 01:00:34,458 Speaker 1: in fraction. Yeah, Like that's when you know, like and 1256 01:00:34,498 --> 01:00:36,538 Speaker 1: that's on coaching again, but that's when you know you're 1257 01:00:36,578 --> 01:00:37,498 Speaker 1: just not ready to play. 1258 01:00:37,578 --> 01:00:41,178 Speaker 2: Okay, really quickly because we got we got a rail here. Yeah, 1259 01:00:41,458 --> 01:00:44,178 Speaker 2: number three down for me this one. I don't feel 1260 01:00:44,178 --> 01:00:48,218 Speaker 2: like we're not talking about enough. Kishon Boody ran, that's 1261 01:00:48,258 --> 01:00:50,538 Speaker 2: a good one. Ran thirty four routes in this game 1262 01:00:50,578 --> 01:00:52,258 Speaker 2: and caught one pass for six yards. 1263 01:00:52,378 --> 01:00:55,498 Speaker 1: He has fallen off the last couple of weeks. It 1264 01:00:55,578 --> 01:00:57,538 Speaker 1: was nice to see him get going. And I'm not 1265 01:00:57,578 --> 01:00:59,898 Speaker 1: saying he can't get back to it. But this was 1266 01:00:59,938 --> 01:01:02,018 Speaker 1: his big problem going back to when he got here 1267 01:01:02,098 --> 01:01:04,898 Speaker 1: last year. In his first training camp consistency. He would 1268 01:01:04,938 --> 01:01:07,698 Speaker 1: flash for windows and then he would disappear for windows. 1269 01:01:07,738 --> 01:01:10,098 Speaker 1: Now he had about as long six stay and success 1270 01:01:10,098 --> 01:01:13,218 Speaker 1: as we've seen from him, but we're starting to see 1271 01:01:13,258 --> 01:01:15,298 Speaker 1: him fade back the other way and you see the 1272 01:01:15,338 --> 01:01:17,858 Speaker 1: impact on the offense. Drake May has had some of 1273 01:01:17,858 --> 01:01:19,178 Speaker 1: his lowest average depth to target. 1274 01:01:19,258 --> 01:01:21,338 Speaker 2: They don't. They don't have an X receiver like they don't. 1275 01:01:21,378 --> 01:01:22,178 Speaker 1: We got to go down the field. 1276 01:01:22,298 --> 01:01:26,458 Speaker 2: He's literally their starting X receiver and they get no 1277 01:01:26,498 --> 01:01:27,538 Speaker 2: production out of that spot. 1278 01:01:27,618 --> 01:01:29,458 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that might be tie. I know we've has 1279 01:01:29,498 --> 01:01:30,858 Speaker 1: not like a broken record with so it might be 1280 01:01:30,858 --> 01:01:32,618 Speaker 1: time to give Chavon Baker more of a look. I 1281 01:01:32,618 --> 01:01:35,138 Speaker 1: don't think that's gonna happen, but it might be time. 1282 01:01:35,338 --> 01:01:37,418 Speaker 2: All right, So that's gonna do it for this week's 1283 01:01:37,418 --> 01:01:41,058 Speaker 2: show and next week on Thursday of next week, back 1284 01:01:41,098 --> 01:01:44,658 Speaker 2: to normal time, the full two hours, and I got 1285 01:01:44,658 --> 01:01:45,338 Speaker 2: some homework to do. 1286 01:01:45,538 --> 01:01:48,178 Speaker 1: I know you're excited, so these tweet at it. He 1287 01:01:48,218 --> 01:01:51,458 Speaker 1: doesn't think Ursery is worth watching for just the first 1288 01:01:51,498 --> 01:01:54,618 Speaker 1: round discussion. It's a fifth guy. I'm asking you to 1289 01:01:54,658 --> 01:01:57,338 Speaker 1: watch a fifth guy. You watch him against Penn State, 1290 01:01:57,378 --> 01:02:00,418 Speaker 1: and you also get to watch a little ailing there. 1291 01:02:00,498 --> 01:02:04,018 Speaker 2: I have. I can't spend my entire bye week watching film. 1292 01:02:04,258 --> 01:02:05,658 Speaker 2: I gotta take a little bit of a break. I 1293 01:02:05,698 --> 01:02:08,098 Speaker 2: could give you a list of ten guys one guy 1294 01:02:08,298 --> 01:02:11,858 Speaker 2: some time off during the bye week, so I am 1295 01:02:11,938 --> 01:02:15,498 Speaker 2: going to watch a handful of guys. I've already started 1296 01:02:15,498 --> 01:02:19,378 Speaker 2: Will Campbell today, who was just terrific. By the way, 1297 01:02:19,378 --> 01:02:21,258 Speaker 2: we don't have time to go unpack it, but this 1298 01:02:21,378 --> 01:02:22,738 Speaker 2: was the take from the beginning of the show with 1299 01:02:23,658 --> 01:02:26,378 Speaker 2: that guy is just excellent. Like if his arms are 1300 01:02:26,618 --> 01:02:31,018 Speaker 2: thirty three inches plus, I'm running the car up, I'm 1301 01:02:31,098 --> 01:02:34,978 Speaker 2: running the Dane card up. That guy was phenomenal, phenomenal player. 1302 01:02:35,058 --> 01:02:36,978 Speaker 1: Campbell, Banks, Ersery, McMillan, Hunter. 1303 01:02:37,218 --> 01:02:40,858 Speaker 2: Yeah. So next Thursday, since we don't have a game 1304 01:02:40,898 --> 01:02:43,058 Speaker 2: to talk about that they're going to be playing in 1305 01:02:43,058 --> 01:02:47,618 Speaker 2: that week, we will discuss my preliminary list, my wish 1306 01:02:47,658 --> 01:02:49,778 Speaker 2: list for the Patriots in the first round of the 1307 01:02:49,858 --> 01:02:52,218 Speaker 2: NFL Draft. Love it, love it. So we'll see you 1308 01:02:52,218 --> 01:02:56,058 Speaker 2: guys then. Signing off Alex bart Evan Lazarre, Happy Thanksgiving everybody, 1309 01:02:56,058 --> 01:02:58,338 Speaker 2: and we'll see you guys next week. 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