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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Films to be Buried With. It
Speaker 1: is I Brett Goldstein, and I am joined today by
Speaker 1: a writer, a actor, a podcaster, a thinker, a philosopher,
Speaker 1: a censor, tvo, a hero, a legend, a spirit guide,
Speaker 1: and a spirit follower. Please welcome to the show. The
Speaker 1: Brilliant Moon Upper.
Speaker 3: Hello, thank you for having me. That was a lovely intro.
Speaker 3: I'm going to start crying already.
Speaker 1: Hi Moan, how are you?
Speaker 4: I'm already weepy.
Speaker 1: So Moon and I we've only met once before, and
Speaker 1: we met doing the WGA podcast where I was the guest,
Speaker 1: she was the host, and I'd describe it as like
Speaker 1: the best therapy session I've ever had, and it was free,
Speaker 1: and I thought, oh, I'd like to turn the tables
Speaker 1: aggressively turn the tables, and I'd like to get Moon
Speaker 1: on my podcast, and I'd like to hear about your life.
Speaker 1: So that's why we're here.
Speaker 3: That's great. Yeah, like I said, I was. When you
Speaker 3: asked me, I thought, Oh, that sounds like fun. And
Speaker 3: then the more I thought about it, I thought this
Speaker 3: is really difficult, and I realized I don't even watch movies.
Speaker 3: I think the same way other people watch them. I've
Speaker 3: never watched them just to be like, oh I feel
Speaker 3: like relaxing, I'm gonna watch something, or oh, it's never
Speaker 3: been entertainment. How do you watch fil I think it's
Speaker 3: always been me trying to understand my family of origin
Speaker 3: and saying, does anybody have any information? So, even as
Speaker 3: a kid, before I knew I could go to therapy,
Speaker 3: there was such a thing as therapy. I was just
Speaker 3: trying to make sense of the external world and the
Speaker 3: world I was subjected to, and then my interior life
Speaker 3: and my reactions to it. I think I was just
Speaker 3: looking for does anybody have answers for me? So as
Speaker 3: I looked at these films and I was thinking, these movies,
Speaker 3: I don't even know if I like them, because they're
Speaker 3: just the movies that absolutely built the structure of me
Speaker 3: and saved my life.
Speaker 1: You are the perfect guest to this. That is how
Speaker 1: you should be watching fields. Anybody's watching films to escape
Speaker 1: get out. That's that's great. Well, then this should be
Speaker 1: very interesting. And also do you feel the same way
Speaker 1: about all all things? Do you feel the same about
Speaker 1: music and books and or particularly films?
Speaker 4: Definitely? Absolutely right, definitely, yeah, you.
Speaker 1: I think so. I find it interesting. I've done this
Speaker 1: podcast for a while and there's a question on it
Speaker 1: what film you must relate to? And I'm surprised by
Speaker 1: a lot of people saying, oh, I don't really know
Speaker 1: the answer to that. I've never really thought about it,
Speaker 1: and I always think, what is it? What do you mean?
Speaker 1: Don't you mean all the films?
Speaker 3: Well, and that's the other thing too, which which character
Speaker 3: in the film or the director or the writer, like
Speaker 3: there's so many ways to be like which thing am I?
Speaker 4: And then I'm always passive by why did I pick that?
Speaker 4: Why am I?
Speaker 3: Why am I rooting for that character not the other one?
Speaker 3: It's so fascinating. Yeah, and then if you don't feel represented,
Speaker 3: I think that's one of the reasons why I became
Speaker 3: a writer. Like well, I don't see myself in all
Speaker 3: the ways I want to see myself. I see a
Speaker 3: piece of myself there, but I'm still not here yet.
Speaker 1: And have you written films?
Speaker 3: Yes, I've not told any, but I've written a few.
Speaker 3: And Yeah, it's been an interesting journey. I'm looking forward
Speaker 3: to when they actually all meet daylight.
Speaker 1: Let's say that's a very nice Well, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: you want your films to meet daylight that I want
Speaker 1: my films to meet a darkened room. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's just a different way of looking at it.
Speaker 1: Oh Moon, I've forgotten to tell you something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh shit, Oh no, you can tell me.
Speaker 1: You don't mind if I just tell you. I should
Speaker 1: have maybe said this before we were recording. Look, I'm
Speaker 1: not I've said i'd say i'd cut it if you're
Speaker 1: uncomfortable with this, but I feel like that might jeopardize
Speaker 1: the episode. I'll just tell you. I'll tell you you've died.
Speaker 1: You're dead.
Speaker 4: Wait what what?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, is this a joke? No? No, this
Speaker 1: is real. Hi Jake, you literally froze when I said
Speaker 1: that as well, your screen friend.
Speaker 3: No, I was trying to feel what that would feel like,
Speaker 3: if I feel relieved or not.
Speaker 4: I think I feel relieved.
Speaker 1: Do you a bit?
Speaker 4: M hm?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's nice and we better check in with you
Speaker 1: at the end of the episode. You feel a bit? Really?
Speaker 1: Do you know how you died? How did you die?
Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing. I'm a powerful manifestor.
Speaker 3: I really do believe in the written and spoken word,
Speaker 3: you kind of conjure your life. So my request is
Speaker 3: to die peacefully in my sleep in real life. But
Speaker 3: for the purpose of a storytelling adventure, I have a
Speaker 3: couple of different scenarios.
Speaker 4: The one I'm going to.
Speaker 3: Go with, though, I think, is a standoff. I'm a
Speaker 3: I'm a cult leader, but I'm misunderstood. Yeah, yeah, misunderstood. Actually,
Speaker 3: I'm actually one of the decent ones, and there's a
Speaker 3: hostile standoff and I'm martyred.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It's really more like a hotel.
Speaker 1: Hell, are you shot to death by FBI?
Speaker 4: Yes I am, Yes, FBI.
Speaker 1: Shoot, You're in a hotel room with your with your followers.
Speaker 3: No, no, it's it's my my, my cult experience. It's
Speaker 3: a Tuscany and a state in Tuscany, and it's more
Speaker 3: like a hotel for friends, like a spar kind of
Speaker 3: a feeling a great, Oh, it's fantastic. And then yeah,
Speaker 3: they storm in and they've got it all wrong. And
Speaker 3: then I'm mark, what's.
Speaker 1: The what's the ethos of your cult? Of this particular one,
Speaker 1: the one that you're you're martyred for.
Speaker 3: The ethos would be make yourself as happy as possible,
Speaker 3: for as long as possible, doing good for the world
Speaker 3: and for yourself.
Speaker 1: Right. What a tragic way to go, just when you
Speaker 1: were spreading that a quite good message. Yeah, well, let's
Speaker 1: hope that that message lives on through your your follower
Speaker 1: is also shot to death by the FBI.
Speaker 4: I hope not so awkward?
Speaker 1: Yeah, how long had they seeded the hotel? How long
Speaker 1: were you? How long was this stand up?
Speaker 3: I'm going to say it was pretty quick. They it
Speaker 3: was just such a misunderstanding. They got the call a
Speaker 3: bit late.
Speaker 1: Right, right, Okay, the reception called you and said hey,
Speaker 1: and you said, I know, I don't need my room cleaned.
Speaker 1: And I said no, no, just to let you know, FBI.
Speaker 4: No, I was completely caught off guard. Oh okay, I
Speaker 4: was completely caught off guard.
Speaker 3: They stormed in, then they did what they did, and
Speaker 3: then they got the message it's called off it's she's fine,
Speaker 3: she checks out.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: And then they're like, oh, do we go with the
Speaker 4: cover up?
Speaker 1: Or and then they had to kill all your followers
Speaker 1: because good no, I know say that this is just
Speaker 1: the facts of the facts, and it's listen. It's a
Speaker 1: tragic story, but a great Netflix documentary. Do you worry
Speaker 1: about death?
Speaker 4: Oh? Of course I do every minute.
Speaker 3: It's the thing that drives every single thing I do,
Speaker 3: from making a cup of tea?
Speaker 4: Is this the last? Is this the last and best
Speaker 4: cup of tea I can have? Is this the best way?
Speaker 3: Always tried to be like, is this the best possible
Speaker 3: way I could do this thing?
Speaker 4: In case this is the last time I do this thing.
Speaker 1: That's pretty great. It's exhausting or is that yeah, that's tiring.
Speaker 1: Nice way to approach your cup of tea. You die.
Speaker 4: It makes me a snob a tea snot. It makes
Speaker 4: me a snob across the board.
Speaker 1: Actually, because you're like, this isn't good enough because everything
Speaker 1: is your last. This isn't good enough for my last
Speaker 1: t This isn't good enough for my last Mayo.
Speaker 4: That's a terrible mantra. But I guess that's what's happening.
Speaker 1: Wow, how long have you been that way?
Speaker 4: Since birth? Since birth? Pretty much?
Speaker 1: No time where you weren't worried about imminent death.
Speaker 4: I don't think so. I mean I don't think so.
Speaker 4: I started union therapy recently.
Speaker 3: And when you go back to the pre verbal like
Speaker 3: what was I feeling and thinking and trying to articulate,
Speaker 3: I don't think I ever had a feeling of like
Speaker 3: a calm nervous system ever. So I think I always
Speaker 3: had some sense of like, WHOA, what's happening here?
Speaker 1: You phonn that way in a panic.
Speaker 4: I do think that that's what happened.
Speaker 3: I think part of it is, honestly, because when I
Speaker 3: was in utero, my mom's dad died, and I think
Speaker 3: I was flooded with the grief hormone. And then my
Speaker 3: father was touring. So here's this twenty two year old
Speaker 3: girl suddenly having to take care of a baby, and
Speaker 3: she's a baby herself in a basement apartment on Jane
Speaker 3: Street in New York City, and I think that that
Speaker 3: wasn't a great opening scene.
Speaker 1: Wow yeah fuck.
Speaker 3: I mean so I have a totally different nervous system
Speaker 3: than my siblings because it's a different thing was happening.
Speaker 1: They weren't born through abject grief. They were in Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they're all pretty chill.
Speaker 3: Well I wouldn't so chill, but uh, they're not as
Speaker 3: sad as I am.
Speaker 4: Let's say that. Literally, I can be touched by absolutely everything.
Speaker 1: What do you think happens when you die?
Speaker 3: Well, I do believe that there's I believe in the
Speaker 3: cast records. I don't know why I believe in this,
Speaker 3: but I do believe that it's like there's a forever
Speaker 3: library that you can tap into at anytime that's already
Speaker 3: your death self, that can access this thing and know
Speaker 3: all things at all times.
Speaker 4: And so I like to imagine that when.
Speaker 3: You go, you just shed the thing that's holding you
Speaker 3: back from knowing it all the time.
Speaker 1: The forever library. I've never heard that before. Have you
Speaker 1: made that up with?
Speaker 4: That's personally, that's what I call it, the forever library.
Speaker 1: I love that. So that's all your past lives or
Speaker 1: that's all of universe, all everything of all time ever
Speaker 1: exists when you die.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think, I mean, I think we can
Speaker 3: all access it. To me, it's the thing that makes us.
Speaker 3: Like when you think about somebody and then they call you,
Speaker 3: or you have a little foreshadowing of something, it's because
Speaker 3: you've tapped in. But sometimes people can you know, block
Speaker 3: the channel, either on the receiving side or on the
Speaker 3: sending side. And because it's private, it's private information, you
Speaker 3: got to ask permission to go in there.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're blowing my mind already. So is that where
Speaker 1: like create you know, when we did the podcast before
Speaker 1: I talked about the magic, Like when you're writing and
Speaker 1: you get sort of lost and you just are writing.
Speaker 1: Is that Is that because you're tapped into the forever Library?
Speaker 4: I think?
Speaker 1: So yeah, But what's this thing? So you sometimes have
Speaker 1: to shut down your portal to the forever library in
Speaker 1: case people can get in that you don't want.
Speaker 3: Well, say, let's let's go. Here's a great example. An
Speaker 3: ex boyfriend. Maybe instead of cruising their Facebook page, you
Speaker 3: might be like, oh, I wonder what he's up to
Speaker 3: in that feeling state inside yourself, but you might be like,
Speaker 3: it's not my business. That's we've made a contract to
Speaker 3: not know one another anymore. So I don't need to
Speaker 3: access the file, and he might be blocking it, and
Speaker 3: I might want him to block it, or I might
Speaker 3: want to block it and have him not be able
Speaker 3: to know anything about me.
Speaker 4: It's you know, sometimes it's.
Speaker 3: The reason why people move to other cities so they
Speaker 3: can't be found. It's the same thing, except it's in
Speaker 3: the Forever Library, you know. It's a good example of
Speaker 3: it is in willy Wonka, when all the little particles
Speaker 3: are flying over like TV's head.
Speaker 1: Past the Forever Library. I mean, that's just a visual one.
Speaker 1: I love this, right, I mean already I'm stand into silence. Well,
Speaker 1: I've got I've got news for you, means Zeppa, there
Speaker 1: is a heaven in this Forever Library. There's a heaven
Speaker 1: section where you can just hang out. The only sort
Speaker 1: of difference with this place for you is that you
Speaker 1: don't feel abject panic at all times of the day.
Speaker 1: You feel quite ah. I love it. It's nice, right,
Speaker 1: you actually feel that piece here and everything you like
Speaker 1: is there, like pillows, pillows in the background. There's lots
Speaker 1: of pillows there. It mainly mainly pillow based and but
Speaker 1: in this pillow based heaven, they're obsessed with films like
Speaker 1: you and me, and they want to know about your
Speaker 1: life through film. And the first thing they ask you
Speaker 1: is what is the first film that you remember seeing?
Speaker 4: The first film is I think Herbie the love Bug?
Speaker 1: Nice? Not really the original, the first one. I'd love
Speaker 1: to have a film?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was my first movie going experience
Speaker 3: at the cinema.
Speaker 4: Yeah, at the cinema.
Speaker 1: Who were you with?
Speaker 3: I think my mother must have taken me and Dweasel
Speaker 3: to see it. And what I remember was like laughing
Speaker 3: in another space, Like my laughter startled me that I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, that it was in another setting spatially,
Speaker 3: it went a little farther, traveled different than it did
Speaker 3: at home, say, and it was with other people, a
Speaker 3: shared laugh experience. So I was maybe that's how opera
Speaker 3: singers feel when they encounter a space where a voice
Speaker 3: rises to a rafter or something else.
Speaker 4: A sound came out, A big sound came out of me.
Speaker 1: Whow where was this? Do you? Whereabouts was this happening?
Speaker 4: I'm assuming it must have been in Hollywood somewhere.
Speaker 1: And how old we you may ask?
Speaker 3: Probably five? I don't know what year that thing came out,
Speaker 3: but it was little, so you were with a sibling. Yeah,
Speaker 3: probably were you the youngest, I'm the oldest.
Speaker 1: You quite extraordinary to have the awareness of, oh, this
Speaker 1: sound is in a different space. I'm moving in a
Speaker 1: different time space at five, I mean you were, you
Speaker 1: were tapped in early.
Speaker 3: I've been lonely a while, Brett. It's it's I don't
Speaker 3: relate to adjust anyone. It's it's I have to wait
Speaker 3: to be interviewed on a podcast with somebody going oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: I know that feeling.
Speaker 1: Fascinating. What also the love Bug is? I'm sad you
Speaker 1: don't think it's good.
Speaker 4: I mean no, I remember thinking it was extremely silly.
Speaker 1: It's a lovely card that's like a dog. Even then
Speaker 1: he thought this is stupid, this is childish. Believe me,
Speaker 1: when we get to the stuff I think it's funny,
Speaker 1: you'll be like, oh, grow up, Herbie. All right, what's
Speaker 1: the film that scared you the most? Imagine this is
Speaker 1: a long list, is it, Tommy? Oh, that is a
Speaker 1: fucking scary film.
Speaker 3: That's a terrifying mo That one really scared me. And
Speaker 3: what's the one with please sir? They have some more.
Speaker 1: What's that one Oliver Oliver?
Speaker 4: That terrifying to me?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Is it Oliver Reid? Is he? Is? He the villain?
Speaker 3: He's still the scariest person, the scariest actor like that.
Speaker 4: That role is still it haunts me. Whatever he tapped into.
Speaker 1: So I tell you you know you've seen ted Lasso, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: you've seen some of the part of ted Lasso based
Speaker 1: on Oliver reading Oliver.
Speaker 4: Wow, what are you joking right now?
Speaker 1: No, I'm not. I'm playing Bill Sykes. If Bill Sykes
Speaker 1: didn't beat Nancy right now, No I'm not. I'm serious.
Speaker 1: If Bill Sykes didn't beat Nancy to death and had
Speaker 1: a heart, that's roy Wow.
Speaker 4: Wow, that is so fascinating.
Speaker 1: I did watch the film again recently. It's fucking dark
Speaker 1: and it's dark. It's really dark. It ends with he
Speaker 1: gets hung, he beats Nancy to death. Then he sort
Speaker 1: of hung in the street while people there's a mob
Speaker 1: underneath him, and then Oliver's sort of there's kind of
Speaker 1: a happy ending for Oliver, but not like he's left
Speaker 1: a lot of destruction behind him. It's a very dark
Speaker 1: upbringing for the poor boy. For it's just he's not
Speaker 1: going to change Yeah, those two.
Speaker 3: Those two movies are bleak and very disturbing to me.
Speaker 1: How old were you when you saw Tommy?
Speaker 3: Oh, maybe eight or nine, I don't know what year
Speaker 3: was that. Yeah, that was upsetting to me. You know
Speaker 3: another movie that has that same vibratory frequency to me
Speaker 3: is eyes wide shut disturbing.
Speaker 4: It just like taps into something. So I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's like I hear it like a like a musical
Speaker 3: note where're like sour, weird, lo I don't like it.
Speaker 1: It's like a yeah, Tommy, Tommy's got a vibe about
Speaker 1: it of like sort of dark chaos or something something
Speaker 1: like where you go like this is unhinged in a
Speaker 1: way that makes me feel unsafe, Like, yeah, this isn't
Speaker 1: necessarily fun. There's something very wrong here. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: get that. Yeah. Do you like being scared or is
Speaker 1: that something you try to avoid giving you?
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm always scared, so I don't love it.
Speaker 3: But I did hear you talking about how you do
Speaker 3: love it in one of the episodes, and I and
Speaker 3: I was trying to protect like, well, I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 3: gonna pretend I'm Brett enjoying this that you seem to Okay,
Speaker 3: what would it be like if I did like it?
Speaker 3: And uh so I actually have been experimenting with pretending
Speaker 3: I like Yeah. It is an interesting thing that if
Speaker 3: you in the same way that if you're lying in chivasana,
Speaker 3: that's the idea of corpse poses.
Speaker 4: You're confronting your death. And so the idea of like.
Speaker 3: Actively saying I'm going to examine some fear and move
Speaker 3: it outside of myself in a group setting where I
Speaker 3: know it's safe, there is something cathartic about that.
Speaker 1: Theoretically, Wait a second, Chavasina means corpse pise. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: fucking that is your three for three, blowing my mind?
Speaker 1: What which pose is that? Can you do it? For
Speaker 1: the for the patriots are on the vision.
Speaker 3: Lying flat on your on your you can have it
Speaker 3: at your sides.
Speaker 4: It's just it's the final pose.
Speaker 3: The final resting pose is shavasan, and to me, it's
Speaker 3: the most confronting yoga pose because it's you're you're just
Speaker 3: you know, it's you're you're you're saying I'm I'm going
Speaker 3: to entirely let go. But it's a it's a nice
Speaker 3: practice to see what what could I finally give up?
Speaker 3: Let go of, especially if you're you know, letting go
Speaker 3: of things that are painful, like if you're a feeling
Speaker 3: your own apologies like I feel, for example.
Speaker 1: How you feel I can understand that. Are you any
Speaker 1: closer to letting that go work?
Speaker 3: No? I think I think I'm getting closer. I think
Speaker 3: it definitely is a life's work. But I think unless
Speaker 3: you can do it fast, if I'm always looking for
Speaker 3: the most efficient way to Yeah, I mean, I think
Speaker 3: it would be nice if a loving person maybe said
Speaker 3: the words that no one else is going to say.
Speaker 3: And it's it's nice when you can say it yourself,
Speaker 3: but it's even nicer when someone else can say to
Speaker 3: you with a hand on your and maybe petting your
Speaker 3: hair a little bit, maybe you're in their app You know,
Speaker 3: that would be nice.
Speaker 1: So have you read Evensler's The Apology?
Speaker 4: I haven't. I'm looking forward to that. Have you read it?
Speaker 1: Yes? I think it's life changing as an idea, as
Speaker 1: a concept. I will quickly tell the listener Evensler had
Speaker 1: a terrible, terrible, dark relationship with her father, spent her
Speaker 1: life waiting for an apology, waiting for him to acknowledge
Speaker 1: what he did, etc. Sort of blamed all of her
Speaker 1: her problems in life on him, on the things that
Speaker 1: he damaged to the chob which were truly terrible. And then
Speaker 1: he died, and he died having never said the things
Speaker 1: she needed to him to say, and so she wrote
Speaker 1: this short book which is called The Apology, which is
Speaker 1: her imagining him saying the exact words she wanted him
Speaker 1: to say, and by doing it, it was a sort
Speaker 1: of act of an act of letting go, an act
Speaker 1: of these are the things I needed to hear. He
Speaker 1: maybe was never capable of it, but it's on me
Speaker 1: to accept that. And it's also a very good apology.
Speaker 1: It's a real good sort of this is how you apologize. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so fascinating and I do, and I've thought about
Speaker 1: that a lot. I know, I've definitely experienced a lot
Speaker 1: of this where you're so upset with someone and you
Speaker 1: want that person to make it right and all of this,
Speaker 1: and at some point you have to sort of go,
Speaker 1: they don't think like I do. They're never this is
Speaker 1: never going to these magical words. I'm they're not coming
Speaker 1: because they they're not me, and possibly they're not even
Speaker 1: remotely thinking about this, and I'm the one using all
Speaker 1: this energy and suffering waiting for this magical anyway here
Speaker 1: we are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the word capacity, I just kind of want to
Speaker 3: punch it in the taint.
Speaker 1: But this is exactly why I thought this podcast would be. Like,
Speaker 1: I love it. I'm loving it. I hope you're comfortable.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're never comfortable. But right, what's the film
Speaker 1: that made you cry? The mice?
Speaker 3: Jim Sheridan's in America is one of them. That one
Speaker 3: kills me. I'm tearing up just thinking about it. That
Speaker 3: one just kills me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is there a particular reason that one that was.
Speaker 3: I think in two thousand and two, So my father
Speaker 3: died in ninety three, and I think I just didn't
Speaker 3: see it coming.
Speaker 4: Tearing up just think about it.
Speaker 3: When you know the final the final scene on the
Speaker 3: on the you know they're on the fire escape and
Speaker 3: they and they're looking at the sky.
Speaker 4: Ooh hmmm.
Speaker 3: It just it just I don't even want to give
Speaker 3: it away for the for the listeners if they haven't
Speaker 3: if they haven't seen the film, but they say a
Speaker 3: certain simple phrase that we say all the time when
Speaker 3: we're departing, and it just it just undid me just
Speaker 3: undid me because it's it was my father's name, and
Speaker 3: it just I felt like I got, you know, extra
Speaker 3: amplification to send someone away that I really cared about
Speaker 3: that film and gravity killed me.
Speaker 4: Gravity killed me, killed me like.
Speaker 3: Like I had to stay in the theater afterwards howling,
Speaker 3: like embarrassingly howling.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that one, just another one. It totally captured how
Speaker 3: I've always felt like. I always felt like the things
Speaker 3: come away from the ship and I'm free falling in
Speaker 3: space endlessly.
Speaker 1: It's meaning. The problem with doing these over zoom it's
Speaker 1: very difficult to give you a hug if you're I'm sorry, thanks, Thanks, Brett. Well,
Speaker 1: that's a great answer, and I very much relate to
Speaker 1: the gravity thing that's her spinning in space forever gave
Speaker 1: me a full anxiety, like full like that's the worst
Speaker 1: thing that could happen. Yeah, what's the film that most
Speaker 1: people people don't like? It's critically not acclaimed, but you
Speaker 1: love it with all your heart. You don't give it
Speaker 1: a shit what anyone says.
Speaker 3: This is a sleeper film that I think needs a
Speaker 3: second look. Downsizing, Yes, Alexander Payne, Yeah, I think this
Speaker 3: is a real I think this is a sleeper masterpiece actually,
Speaker 3: and I know that I don't.
Speaker 4: Even think he likes it, but I think it's really
Speaker 4: I think it's I think it's amazing.
Speaker 3: I don't know, there's something about it that really just
Speaker 3: struck me in so many ways.
Speaker 1: So why doesn't he like it?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I wonder if I wonder if he really believed what
Speaker 3: the critics said about it and just was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess it isn't good because I don't know. I'd
Speaker 3: love to talk to him about it, because I just
Speaker 3: I find it.
Speaker 4: I just think it's great. I think it should be
Speaker 4: studied really truly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's purely that it was so different
Speaker 1: from his other type of films that people were just
Speaker 1: scared of it or something. I don't know, it was
Speaker 1: so different.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the structure's weird and the story's weird, and
Speaker 3: there's a character in it that you're just like, why
Speaker 3: is she in this thing?
Speaker 4: And then you're like, she's the greatest actress A lot.
Speaker 3: Like it's I don't know, there's so many pieces of
Speaker 3: it that are so weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, great shout, very underrated. What the what's the film
Speaker 1: that you used to love you loved it hard, and
Speaker 1: then you've watched it recently and you've gone, oh no,
Speaker 1: I don't feel like that anymore.
Speaker 4: Weathering heights that piece of shit.
Speaker 3: I mean, how disfunctional somebody say something in real time
Speaker 3: and be in this press Like, how that was to
Speaker 3: me the most romantic?
Speaker 4: What this is toxic? I'm spinning. I'm so angry.
Speaker 1: You're right, that is a very desfunctional relationship and we
Speaker 1: shouldn't keep celebrating it to sit down and have an
Speaker 1: actual talk about their feelings.
Speaker 3: And at some point in the movie, when somebody is
Speaker 3: under the weather, they put her in the sun and
Speaker 3: make her drink cream.
Speaker 4: I'm like, that is the worst advice under a blanket anyway?
Speaker 1: Yeah, when is drinking cream ever good? What? What century
Speaker 1: was that the cure?
Speaker 4: I know what.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you've brought this up. I think that Bronte
Speaker 1: has got a lot to answer for this time we
Speaker 1: had we revised our views on them. People love that
Speaker 1: as ship. They love a moody gezer. He's a fucking
Speaker 1: they do like. That's why I think Fifty Shades of
Speaker 1: Gray is so popular because, regardless of what you may
Speaker 1: think of it, quality wise, et cetera. It's about a
Speaker 1: geezer who's shut down a bit moody, so it's all
Speaker 1: all all people are drawn to that dynamic. Oh, he's
Speaker 1: so difficult, and maybe I can make it work if
Speaker 1: I just let him tie me up and smash me
Speaker 1: about a bit in this is the dawn of time
Speaker 1: in the in the literatures. Yeah, I'm glad you called
Speaker 1: that out.
Speaker 4: What's the antidote to that?
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess the problem is stories about like
Speaker 1: emotionally well rounded people just meeting up and getting on
Speaker 1: aren't perhaps narrative wise, that interesting. That's the problem with
Speaker 1: Enlightenment in it boring?
Speaker 4: That's so funny.
Speaker 1: I think that's it. What's the film that means the
Speaker 1: most to you? Not necessarily the film itself is any good,
Speaker 1: but because the experience you had around seeing it, that
Speaker 1: will always make it special to you.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a couple of films like I really
Speaker 3: have a soft spot in my heart for the film
Speaker 3: Little Darlings. That film also is just I don't know,
Speaker 3: it's just I feel like.
Speaker 1: What's Little Darlings?
Speaker 3: Little Darlings is Christy McNichol and Tatum O'Neill and Matt Dylan,
Speaker 3: and it's about two girls that go off to summer
Speaker 3: camp and they come from opposite sides of the tracks,
Speaker 3: and they this camp unites them and they get into
Speaker 3: these kind of a quarrel. They decide to lose their
Speaker 3: virginity and both of them lie, but one actually does
Speaker 3: lose a virginity and one doesn't, and they both lie
Speaker 3: about it. One of the things that really struck me
Speaker 3: was that was the first time I thought, oh, wait,
Speaker 3: we as the audience, know something that they don't know.
Speaker 3: So that was like the first time I think I
Speaker 3: had that awareness of like POV and how that can
Speaker 3: shift and how you give the gift of the POV
Speaker 3: to the to the audience that now we're in on
Speaker 3: something that we we're holding all of the information. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it makes you have to like you have to decide
Speaker 3: if you're you're going to keep their secrets or not.
Speaker 3: There's something it was very just there was something psychologically
Speaker 3: satisfying about it, but also just a really sweet, tender
Speaker 3: film about you know, first intimacies and what that looks like.
Speaker 3: And I don't know, just that really touched me.
Speaker 4: That film.
Speaker 1: You were probably six when you had that.
Speaker 3: And The other one was is Gangs of New York,
Speaker 3: because that one was I had a novel come out
Speaker 3: on September eleventh, and I was in New York and
Speaker 3: I was two hours into the press and then the
Speaker 3: towers came down and all that hard work that I
Speaker 3: had done, it was like POMPEII.
Speaker 4: I was like, what was all that for? What was
Speaker 4: Why did I you know, cause I had that.
Speaker 3: I really had that moment of thinking, my life's about
Speaker 3: to start. I finally have done the thing, you know.
Speaker 3: I followed the Cameron Crow model, like if you finally
Speaker 3: tell you your story, all doors open, and all doors
Speaker 3: didn't open, they all exploded closed, and then I had
Speaker 3: nothing to do with me, and I was I took
Speaker 3: something humongous so personally and so when I saw and
Speaker 3: it took me a long time even to be creative
Speaker 3: again because it was so much work that just was.
Speaker 4: Like boop, it's gone.
Speaker 3: And then when I saw that film, I had a
Speaker 3: context for how to understand it and set it aside.
Speaker 4: I didn't. There was no other way for me to
Speaker 4: process it. Prior to that film.
Speaker 1: Holy shit, your nine to eleven was nine to eleven. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's insane.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really intane because but what's really funny is
Speaker 3: when the book came out in the UK the first
Speaker 3: day of press, I was in this little, you know,
Speaker 3: little bookstore in Manchester and two skinheads came to the reading,
Speaker 3: and one one right before I started to read from
Speaker 3: the book, he says, we're.
Speaker 4: Not here for you, We're here for your father.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, and I said, I said
Speaker 3: thank you so much, thank you so much. And then
Speaker 3: he was so disgruntled that I didn't take the bait,
Speaker 3: and then he goes, no, we're not here.
Speaker 4: For you, for your father.
Speaker 3: And I say, thank you so much. That is so kind,
Speaker 3: thank you so much.
Speaker 4: And then somebody else goes, that's not very nice. And
Speaker 4: then they just started punching people in the head in
Speaker 4: the audience, and I was like, am I on a
Speaker 4: camera hidden camera show? I know it was that.
Speaker 3: And it was like a third of the people, like
Speaker 3: like one of those test study groups, Like a third
Speaker 3: of the people ran for help, a third of the
Speaker 3: people hid, and a third of the people like got
Speaker 3: all scrappy with and I'm just staying there frozen, going
Speaker 3: I don't know what to do. I don't know what's
Speaker 3: happening anyway. After that, after that event, somebody said, well,
Speaker 3: this has never happened before, and if I that has
Speaker 3: that sentence has been said so many times on my watch.
Speaker 3: And she said, well, at least it won't be this
Speaker 3: bad in the States. This will never happen again.
Speaker 4: And she was right, Wow, why what was what?
Speaker 1: I don't even understand. I don't know what would What
Speaker 1: were these men wanting when they said we're here for
Speaker 1: your father like that?
Speaker 3: You I don't even think they were Zappa fans. That
Speaker 3: was It was so weird, So they I don't I
Speaker 3: don't know they were just they were just hooligans.
Speaker 1: So I guess me tell you. I look, I'm sure
Speaker 1: this is a you don't have to Is it mad
Speaker 1: to have grown up.
Speaker 4: With completely completely?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And you always knew it was mad?
Speaker 3: Yes, And I usually I tell people it was like
Speaker 3: having across between Jesus and Spock for a father.
Speaker 4: Like even if it was if it.
Speaker 3: Was Jesus as the time, I would have been like, oh,
Speaker 3: do you have to do everything for everybody?
Speaker 4: Can we just have can we?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh yeah? Can we walk on water in our
Speaker 1: swimming pool? Just us?
Speaker 4: Just us for a change?
Speaker 1: Oh, man. And that's a difficult I was thinking, I am,
Speaker 1: I think that must I don't know. Look you could.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've talked about this. It must be very hard,
Speaker 1: it must be very hard to constantly to that being
Speaker 1: a reference. Well.
Speaker 3: The other thing too, is most people, when somebody passes away,
Speaker 3: they stay dead, and little by little their voice fades,
Speaker 3: or their image fades, or their mannerisms fade. There is
Speaker 3: no chance this zombie lives on and on.
Speaker 1: Zombie Jesus, Wow, fascinating. That story of your book is
Speaker 1: fucking mad mad. I mean, it's difficult not to see
Speaker 1: that as a side.
Speaker 4: To stop creating, just be a stay at home something.
Speaker 1: I guess if the world literally ended while I was
Speaker 1: promoting a book, I'd be like, you didn't. I guess
Speaker 1: you didn't lie that one? That guy? Okay, you're amazing. Okay,
Speaker 1: So what's the film that you must relate to?
Speaker 3: Well, again, it hasn't been made yet, but I would say,
Speaker 3: uh yeah, Gravity probably is the closest to the feeling tone.
Speaker 4: Alien is another one.
Speaker 1: I would say, who in Alien? The Alien? Oh?
Speaker 3: You know another movie that that speaks to me is
Speaker 3: I can't think of it.
Speaker 4: It's Amy Adams.
Speaker 3: It's another Yeah, you know the Alien one.
Speaker 4: Arrival, Arrival, Arrival?
Speaker 1: I love that film? Why why that one?
Speaker 3: There's something about the responsibility that the position she's put in,
Speaker 3: the decision she has to make. She's you know, like
Speaker 3: a grand scale space holder literally and a pioneer. I
Speaker 3: mean that that movie is making that makes me choke
Speaker 3: up too. Just what she you know those those are?
Speaker 3: That movie is so fascinating. I went to read on
Speaker 3: about the writer. I was like, forget the movie.
Speaker 4: This writer's amazing. What is he? What else is this
Speaker 4: person thinking about?
Speaker 1: You read his book, his book of short stories that
Speaker 1: that's from. I read that. Have you read it?
Speaker 4: I didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't read it, but I went and read that
Speaker 3: piece of about that story and how, and then I
Speaker 3: learned more about how that what that story actually is about,
Speaker 3: and I was just fascinated by it.
Speaker 1: He is quite the mind means uppa, what is the
Speaker 1: sexiest film ever made?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 3: Okay, well there's a scene in The Postman Always Rings twice?
Speaker 4: Come on dirty?
Speaker 1: That doesn't come up? Hasn't come up? What doesn't come up?
Speaker 1: On this? Yeah? Good shot, good chow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is very that's just that's just ridiculous. She's amazing.
Speaker 3: I think she might be that she she exudes sex appeal,
Speaker 3: all that jazz.
Speaker 1: Good lord her in Kate Fear. I mean, she's amazing.
Speaker 1: That's a really good shout and I'm surprised that hasn't
Speaker 1: come up. And that is on that list of films
Speaker 1: where people were like, oh did they do it for real?
Speaker 1: Because it looks like it and they were going out
Speaker 1: at the time when they say legit, good show means appa.
Speaker 1: There's a sub category to this question, traveling Bone is worrying,
Speaker 1: why does what's the film you found arousing that you
Speaker 1: weren't sure you should?
Speaker 4: Ten? Maybe?
Speaker 1: Why why not?
Speaker 3: Because I think I don't know, there's it's it's kind
Speaker 3: of misogynistic. Oh yeah, yeah, So I think whenever whenever
Speaker 3: I identify with the misogynist and something, I'm like, that's weird,
Speaker 3: you know, when I when I'm objectifying somebody, it's that's
Speaker 3: a weird feeling to be looking through that that lens.
Speaker 1: That's very interesting, yes, but well, perhaps it shows the
Speaker 1: power of all this culture because it is designed to
Speaker 1: be arousing and exciting, and I guess even with intellectual
Speaker 1: lenses on it, it's hard not to be moved by it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say the same thing with Flash Dance,
Speaker 3: that scene with the water and the shadow. I don't
Speaker 3: think that that's necessarily supposed to be for girls to
Speaker 3: be aroused by, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: But I was like, oh, that's interesting.
Speaker 3: That's why am I having a lady feeling about this
Speaker 3: as a heterosexual lady.
Speaker 4: That's yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Another weird scene that is creepily erotic is oh god,
Speaker 3: it's a rape.
Speaker 4: Scene in Brooklyn something Brooklyn. What's her name? Jennifer Jason
Speaker 4: Lee is in the back of a car getting gang raped.
Speaker 1: Oh, last exit to Brooklyn.
Speaker 4: Yeah, last exit to Brooklyn. That scene. I'm just like that.
Speaker 4: I got to see a therapist after this. I don't
Speaker 4: know what. Why did that? Huh? I shouldn't do the thing.
Speaker 1: No, I mean fair play. That's a perfect answer. You can't.
Speaker 1: There's nothing more troubling than that answer. That is a
Speaker 1: troubling boner. Some people really struggle with that question. You've
Speaker 1: passed with flags. Does it surprise me? What is what
Speaker 1: is objectively, objectively the greatest film of all time?
Speaker 4: Laurens of Arabia?
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, okay, moving on, what is the film that
Speaker 1: you could or have what's the most over and over again?
Speaker 4: Heaven can wait? Really?
Speaker 1: I love the reason wonder one bet you one?
Speaker 4: Yes that when that? I love that film so much.
Speaker 1: It's a lovely film.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Charles Grodin is so funny. Can It's so funny?
Speaker 3: And then just that story is so touching to me?
Speaker 1: Is it? Is it? Julie Christie, m mamma Miah Y
Speaker 1: so love it. So it's And that's the film that
Speaker 1: got remade a million times, and it was originally called
Speaker 1: a Guy called Joe? Is that right?
Speaker 4: I think so?
Speaker 1: Then always this sort of that as well.
Speaker 4: Mm hm.
Speaker 1: Basically he dies and then comes back for a bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And in this in this iteration of it, he's
Speaker 3: he comes back in the body of an old man
Speaker 3: and somebody he shouldn't get along with.
Speaker 4: They they have a connection.
Speaker 3: And then when he finally wins her over because she
Speaker 3: doesn't want to be won over by this person, then
Speaker 3: he they find the alternate body he's supposed to be
Speaker 3: in because there's a you know, a fuck up in heaven,
Speaker 3: and then they all remember him, but then he doesn't
Speaker 3: remember them. So there's this piece of like that they
Speaker 3: have to start over again, and maybe it'll work out,
Speaker 3: maybe it won't. But do you remember that how that
Speaker 3: how she they recognize something each other's eyes and then
Speaker 3: he doesn't record.
Speaker 4: He can't.
Speaker 3: He's lost the ability, he's afresh being. But she still
Speaker 3: has to now be the holder of this idea.
Speaker 1: I like that idea a lot. You know what, I
Speaker 1: think one of the most romantic films I've ever made
Speaker 1: is fifty First Dates, The Adams and the film.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: The idea that you have to start every single day
Speaker 1: again with a blank slate and make someone pull in
Speaker 1: love with you all over again every day. I think
Speaker 1: that's okay.
Speaker 3: Isn't that like the Enlightenment you were objecting to just
Speaker 3: a few sentences a girl.
Speaker 1: When you put it like fifty first dates, that's not boring,
Speaker 1: is it?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: Wow? I guess Enlightenment's okay. I'm glad we found their
Speaker 1: way back to it. That was the devil distracting way,
Speaker 1: taking me off the path, the devil with my again.
Speaker 1: Enlightenment's boring. Yeah, that sound bory, go over there. We
Speaker 1: don't like to be negative. I don't think you do either.
Speaker 1: What's the worst film you've ever seen?
Speaker 3: Bridges of Madison County in the DA Vinci Code.
Speaker 1: A heck of a double bill. Why I mean Davindy guide.
Speaker 1: I understand why Bridges, the beloved Bridges of Master County.
Speaker 3: Because just this whole thing of like, I'm having an
Speaker 3: affair and I family found myself and I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: go with my true hearts thing because I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 3: gonna go back to my family and just continue living alive.
Speaker 4: But it's a secret line.
Speaker 3: It's like what garbage and then torture the family and
Speaker 3: then the kids find the thing and they're like.
Speaker 4: Wait, what who was? Who was our mother? Even?
Speaker 3: And now we're supposed to be like what are we
Speaker 3: How we're supposed to feel about that other than confuse, angry,
Speaker 3: the complexity, the selfishness.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you gave up your happiness for us, and
Speaker 1: we're supposed to be pleased about this, but now we
Speaker 1: live with the guilt of you could have been happy,
Speaker 1: but we held you back. You put all that on us.
Speaker 4: Why did you even have us? And now we have
Speaker 4: no way to argue it out with you. Fuck you?
Speaker 1: This person was obsessed with Bridges. You cares this is
Speaker 1: your guy? What did he do?
Speaker 3: Take bridges and I really think like you do, think
Speaker 3: about a bridge guy.
Speaker 4: Really.
Speaker 1: Anyway, that is a that's a great shot. What's the film?
Speaker 1: It means up but you're funny. What's the film that
Speaker 1: made you laugh the most?
Speaker 4: Okay, so well, there's so many, but one that shouldn't
Speaker 4: make me laugh Caveman with Ringo Star and.
Speaker 3: Cave Man You don't You're you're not really missing much.
Speaker 3: But that was as a kid, that one really made
Speaker 3: me laugh.
Speaker 1: What is it? It's Ringo Star as a cave man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and what's I want to say? Yeah, no, it
Speaker 3: was it was just that was silly. I can't that's
Speaker 3: I loved all the airplane movies as a kid. I
Speaker 3: loved all the Pink Panther movies. I loved Time Bandits
Speaker 3: was a favorite.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I want to know more about this game
Speaker 1: man show. It's Ringo Star. What it's like California Man,
Speaker 1: It's like Encino Man, but with Ringo.
Speaker 3: Star, It's it's just it's just the most dumb. It's
Speaker 3: just dumb that there's you know, I know the song.
Speaker 3: I don't want to have to pay money for the
Speaker 3: the composer, but anyway, there's just.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna have to. I think we all want
Speaker 1: to hear this song because.
Speaker 4: You know, there's like a there's a blind cave man.
Speaker 3: He keeps switting his hand in fire. It's hilarious, you
Speaker 3: know that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: Moon Zappa, you've been a wonderful guest. You've been everything
Speaker 1: I hoped you'd be. This has been wonderful. Thank you
Speaker 1: for sharing everything. However, when you became a cult leader,
Speaker 1: which isn't I think much of a stretch, and you've
Speaker 1: moved your you and your followers to a hotel in Tuscany,
Speaker 1: it's a lovely cult preaching sort of tolerance and love
Speaker 1: and being good to other people and good to yourself.
Speaker 1: I think the fact that you kept aggressively calling it
Speaker 1: a cult raised some alarms when it was arguably a
Speaker 1: holiday with some friends, but you kept you kept saying
Speaker 1: it's a coat, it's like a cult in it. And
Speaker 1: someone at the hotel, I think there's a cult in
Speaker 1: our hotel, and they call the FBI, as as hotels do.
Speaker 1: The FBI showed up. You were in the middle of
Speaker 1: a meditation, you know, you were doing yoga and you
Speaker 1: were doing corpse pose, which again I'm not making any judgment,
Speaker 1: but I feel like that was misleading. And the FBI
Speaker 1: bang on the door. You thought it was has keeping.
Speaker 1: Next thing you know, they come in with guards, kill you,
Speaker 1: shoot you dead, and then they say, oh shit, I
Speaker 1: don't think she was as bad as we thought. And
Speaker 1: the followers say, we saw what you did, and they go,
Speaker 1: you saw it, did you? And then they shoot all
Speaker 1: of the itself. It is a mess. Now. I happen
Speaker 1: to be passing. I was just doing a little tour
Speaker 1: of sets from Kenneth Brown has much ado about nothing.
Speaker 1: So I was in Tuscany and I heard about this colt.
Speaker 1: I said, I know about this colt a bit. And
Speaker 1: I go to the hotel and I said, there's this
Speaker 1: coat and I go, ah, it's been a bit noisy
Speaker 1: from that room. I go to the room. It's a
Speaker 1: fucking massacre. Everyone's dead. You are splattered. I'm sorry, but
Speaker 1: you are splattered against the wall. I have to get
Speaker 1: I brought a coffin with me, by the way, I'm
Speaker 1: always walking with a coffin, like how we have a
Speaker 1: Clint Eastwood. The coffin I had was the size of you.
Speaker 1: But there's you're splattered onto fucking the wall. I'm having
Speaker 1: to chip bits of the wall off, pick up bits
Speaker 1: of the carpet that you're spread into. Anyway, I stuff
Speaker 1: you into this coffin, but there's more of you than
Speaker 1: was expected because of all the extra bits that you've
Speaker 1: stuck to stuffed you in. It's jam pat. There's very
Speaker 1: little room for anything. There's enough room for one DVD
Speaker 1: for a pillow. No, no pillow, I'm afraid. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: one DVD that I can slide into the side of
Speaker 1: the coffin for you to take to the other side.
Speaker 1: And on the other side, it's movie night every night,
Speaker 1: and one night it's your movie night. What film are
Speaker 1: you taking to show the people in heaven when it's
Speaker 1: your movie night, moons Apper.
Speaker 3: Today, just for today, it's going to be Force Maseure
Speaker 3: the Avalanche.
Speaker 1: Wow wee movie because you want everyone to feel deeply
Speaker 1: uncomfortable to heaven.
Speaker 3: Remember this feeling you're left behind, Remember having to make
Speaker 3: choices and having a bit of conflict and affects everything.
Speaker 1: And this was life, right, this was life, guys. We're free.
Speaker 1: Not a bad choice. It's a great shout, moons Appy,
Speaker 1: You've been brilliant. Is there anything you would like to
Speaker 1: tell people to look out for or listen to or read,
Speaker 1: perhaps your novel novels.
Speaker 3: You know what I would tell people to read the
Speaker 3: book Breath by James Nestor. That's what I would tell
Speaker 3: people to read. That book is a game changer. It's
Speaker 3: a it's about how to breathe, actually how to breathe.
Speaker 3: It's fascinating.
Speaker 1: Does it have a section on how to self promode?
Speaker 4: I'm a cult leader till the end.
Speaker 3: I want I want you to be uplifted, at empowered
Speaker 3: and live your exceed your your expectations for yourself, so
Speaker 3: to go beyond beyond.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm happy to be part of your cult. Thank
Speaker 1: you very much for doing this means Eppa have a
Speaker 1: lovely death and good night.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: That was another rewind classic. We'll be back on August
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