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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the white tail Woods, presented by First Light, creating proven

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Speaker 1: versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First

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Speaker 1: Light Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast.

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Speaker 2: This week on the show, I'm joined by Bobby Kendall

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Speaker 2: to discuss advanced hunting strategies such as the difference between

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Speaker 2: hunting offensively versus defensively, and the Djenga approach to killing

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Speaker 2: big bucks. All right, folks, welcome back to the Wired

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Speaker 2: to Hunt Podcast, brought to you by First Light and

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Speaker 2: their Camo for Conservation initiative and their brand new line

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Speaker 2: of white tail gear that came out this year. Lots

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Speaker 2: of exciting stuff on that front. I will touch on

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Speaker 2: it just a little bit, but before that, I want

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Speaker 2: to let you know about the show we've got today.

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Speaker 2: We've got a hell of a show for you. My

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Speaker 2: guest today is mister Bobby Kendall. Now, Bobby is someone

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Speaker 2: who's been on the show a couple times in the

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Speaker 2: last two ish years. The first time he came on

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Speaker 2: to talk habitat the second time he came on to

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Speaker 2: talk a little bit about habitat and a little hunting,

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Speaker 2: but in the what would you do format that we

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Speaker 2: at the beginning of kind of peak hunting season to

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Speaker 2: dive really deep into his hunting approach, his tactics, his strategies,

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Speaker 2: and what I like about Bobby is his analytical approach,

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Speaker 2: the detailed mindset he kind of takes to the with him. Now,

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Speaker 2: if you didn't see the past couple episodes that we

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Speaker 2: did with Bobby for not familiar, Bobby was a former guide.

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Speaker 2: He used to work for some outfitters in Illinois a

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Speaker 2: number of years ago, and then, gosh, I'm not exactly

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Speaker 2: sure when he started, but he started a company called

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Speaker 2: the Whitetail Group, which first started as a company that

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Speaker 2: bought and resold farms, and then they started managing farms,

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Speaker 2: slipping farms, then doing consultations on farms, then doing all

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Speaker 2: sorts of different content around whitetail hunting, whitetail habitat management strategies.

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Speaker 2: They make some of their own products now, box blind

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Speaker 2: scrape trees, all sorts of stuff. But what grabbed my

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Speaker 2: he thinks about what deer do, why deer do what

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Speaker 2: get a shot. And so today's podcast we really go

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Speaker 2: into the nuts and bolts of his hunting philosophies. I

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Speaker 2: particularly interesting things we cover. I kind of tease this

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Speaker 2: the ball in a game of football game right offense

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Speaker 2: October third, twenty twenty fourth, if you're listening on that

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Speaker 2: date or the fourth, fifth, or sixth. Meat Eater's Whitetail

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Speaker 2: Week is still ongoing. So white Tail Week is something

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Speaker 2: on the Mediator team to produce white tail focus content

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Speaker 2: because you know what, even though Steve and Kale and

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Speaker 2: It's cool, but white tails are America's big game animal,

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Speaker 2: right the critter that we all love and know so

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Speaker 2: well is the most pursued, most beloved animal across the

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Speaker 2: spend a little extra time given some love to this creature,

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Speaker 2: this incredible critter. So content across the board. New podcasts

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Speaker 2: podcasts and films from the Element of course, Rough Fresh

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Speaker 2: Radio coming out this week. We have new films from me.

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Speaker 2: My twenty twenty three films are starting to come out,

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Speaker 2: so we have my return to the Back forty. If

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Speaker 2: that story. It catches everybody up on what's happened in

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Speaker 2: we've got Bobby Kendall. Welcome back to the show, Bobby,

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Speaker 3: when I was younger man. I used to get Rammy,

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Speaker 3: It feels like, even when I'm having successful seasons, eight

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, your kind of mindset right now, in which

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Speaker 3: Know, And another way saying that is risk versus reward.

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Speaker 3: Every time you go in and out, you're not bogering

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look at the at the foundation of this,

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Speaker 2: Well, just just help me understand how you know a

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Speaker 2: All right, So is it fair to say then rather

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Speaker 3: you come out, I think, is the philosophy trying to

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Speaker 2: Are there any other like core fundamentals to being that

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. As far as hunting defensively, I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Can this ever go too far?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't want people to get that. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Whether it's whether it's October one or ten, or you

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Speaker 3: the farm long term. You're trying to grow and hold

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00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 3: a big deer in a safe space. It is a glasshouse.

433
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 3: It's a delicate act. You need to let him feel

434
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,479
Speaker 3: like that's that nature preserve, so he's going to live

435
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 3: in there. On the flip side of that, which I've

436
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 3: ran into this situation a lot because I bought a

437
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,479
Speaker 3: lot of farms and acquired a big deer, you know,

438
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 3: not on purpose, but just one that was there. And

439
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 3: when you get a piece or you get permission on

440
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 3: a piece, and you put cameras out and you have

441
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 3: a big mature deer, he is called the older he is,

442
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 3: the longer he's called that home likely the smaller his

443
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 3: core has gotten. And it can be extremely difficult to

444
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 3: run that deer out of there. And I've seen that

445
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 3: over and over again. I've made some I had to

446
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 3: go around with a deer a few years ago on

447
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 3: our YouTube channel. There's a video called face Space with

448
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 3: a Monster And anyway, I had to go around with

449
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,479
Speaker 3: this deer and it was unbelievable. I couldn't run him

450
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 3: out of there. So, you know, there's every situation is different.

451
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 3: You know, if you're hunting your your farm and you're

452
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 3: managing your farm and it's your farm for bever or whatever, like, yeah,

453
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 3: need you need to you know, it's a glass house.

454
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 3: But if you just find a deer, you have got

455
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 3: to you have got to hunt that thing. You can't

456
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 3: just sit around. And you know, and that's a loaded

457
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 3: question too, sit around and wait for the perfect days

458
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,959
Speaker 3: in October. You know, you need to use probability on

459
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 3: your to your advantage. You may only have four or

460
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 3: five days that he walks in daylight because of the weather,

461
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 3: environmental conditions, and you need to up your odds by

462
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 3: being in the woods each one of those days. So

463
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 3: so you do you do need to hunt a lot,

464
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 3: but you need to hopefully have situations that allow you

465
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 3: to get in and out.

466
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 2: You know.

467
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 3: That's the cool thing about your hunting, Like there is

468
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 3: no one size fits all. It's really it's almost like

469
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 3: you just got to sit back and take a lot

470
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 3: of these philosophies and principles and then make educated guesses

471
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 3: and decisions and all the little probability and all the

472
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 3: little strategizing adds up and probability will reward you over

473
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 3: the years and over the over time, you know, But

474
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 3: there is no one size fits all, and that's what's interesting.

475
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like you. I've heard you just compare it

476
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 2: to like a game of Djenga, where you're just slowly

477
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 2: pulling off pieces here and there when the time is

478
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 2: right in the right place, piece by piece by piece,

479
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: and finally, you know, eventually the tower comes tumbling down.

480
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 2: But it wouldn't work if you went in there and

481
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 2: just try to smash the whole thing down with your

482
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: hand without thinking that through in the first place.

483
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, to me, deer hunting is like it's it's a methodical,

484
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 3: slow paced thing, and you have all this strategy and

485
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 3: have strategy and physical strategy that you've done on the farm,

486
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 3: whether it's massive manipulation on your own farm or it's

487
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 3: just scouting and hanging and having a plan for or

488
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 3: trees picked out to go up with a climber. It's

489
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 3: the physical strategizing, and then it's the mental strategizing once

490
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 3: we get into this time of year and and it's

491
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 3: the prep you know, the tuning of your bow and

492
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 3: the all the it's everything. It's it's a lot of

493
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 3: little things. And that's what he's talking about. The game agenda.

494
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 3: Every one of those strategies that's a block and some

495
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 3: of those things, any one thing is not really going

496
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 3: to make or break. But when you start adding all

497
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 3: that up and you're super dialed. You know, a lot

498
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 3: of the most successful deer hunters I see are just very,

499
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 3: very over analytical, and they're very you know, they just

500
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 3: cross every t and dota every eye. How many dear

501
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 3: have you heard about, like somebody that they didn't end

502
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 3: up getting job because of something stupid that happened. I mean,

503
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 3: I've been guilty of it too. So it's just having

504
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 3: everything dialed. And sure enough, it's that one. It's the

505
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 3: last limb that you were like trimming lanes and you're

506
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 3: sitting there and you're like, I'm not getting out of

507
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 3: tree to go get that stupid thing, and then that's

508
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,479
Speaker 3: the one it costs that deer, you know.

509
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: So, uh so, Okay, what you're what I'm hearing is

510
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 2: that most of the time we are treating the property

511
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 2: like a glasshouse. Most of the time we are not

512
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 2: getting rammy ahead of things. But when the time is right,

513
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 2: when the moment is right, you have to capitalize on it.

514
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 2: You said, if you've got a big deer on camera,

515
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: But do you mean do you mean that you're gonna

516
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 2: be poking in there and hunting a bunch even if

517
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 2: it's just nighttime pictures or are you waiting for the

518
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 2: daylight or are you waiting for your magic X days

519
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: and specific conditions. I guess more generally, I'd love to

520
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 2: hear more about what will make you push in and

521
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 2: do a hunt on this property that's supposed to be

522
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 2: a glass house. But but sometimes you've got to do it.

523
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 2: When do you take your swings?

524
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 3: Yep, So maybe we could tie this one into a

525
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,239
Speaker 3: current story that's kind of unfolding. So I've got a

526
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 3: friend of mine. It's a couple from out of town.

527
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 3: They bought a few farms from me, and they've bought

528
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 3: some other farms and they have a giant deer on camera,

529
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 3: I mean right here near my house and I don't.

530
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 3: So I'm like, I'd like to live vicariously through you.

531
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 3: Got to help you out. So i mean a giant deer.

532
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 3: So I was like, I'd love to help you. Guys

533
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 3: they live out of town and then you know, they

534
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: show up and they just it's hard for them to

535
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 3: get everything set up and everything. So leading up to

536
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 3: this point this started unfolding maybe three or four weeks ago,

537
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 3: I'm trying to anticipate this deer's what he's going to do, right,

538
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 3: I'm also thinking, Okay, this area has a big picture.

539
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, Okay, this area has got a lot of

540
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 3: hunting pressure. This farm that they bought did not, so

541
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 3: in order for this deer to be this age and

542
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 3: this big on this several hundred acre farm, he's probably

543
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 3: this is probably home. He's probably spent a lot of

544
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 3: time here. So also with all that hunting pressure and stuff,

545
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, we need to really try and get this done.

546
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 3: In October, so they have late planted beans. They've got

547
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 3: the latest planet beans in the year in the area.

548
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 3: They also have some corn, so we got on a

549
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 3: zoom and kind of came up with a plan and basically,

550
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 3: this deer we have to mitigate like a westerly wind.

551
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 3: But where my mindset goes to is what's this deer

552
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 3: going to do? Okay, he's gonna be most likely because

553
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 3: this is his core and it's the latest beans around.

554
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 3: The biggest deer generally will hang on to the field

555
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 3: that's just got looks like some yellow leaves, but there's

556
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 3: green ones down in. He'll be in that field. That's

557
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 3: the last place they'll leave usually, so when he transitions

558
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 3: from that, so they're already lucky because they're going to

559
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 3: have that green field. I wish it was corn because

560
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 3: we can mow corn back there. They have like a

561
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 3: so this field goes back into the east and then

562
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 3: and then there's like a turkey foot and they had

563
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 3: planted a little food pot there. But the westerly winds,

564
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 3: the type of winds that were anticipating having the night

565
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 3: that he walks in October, are going to have some

566
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 3: west in it. So we need to mitigate that. So

567
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 3: we need to use a ditch for thermals. We need

568
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 3: to use a box line. Where do we want to sit?

569
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 3: So we have an up ran found that spot. Put

570
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 3: the box there. The next thing is as these this

571
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,719
Speaker 3: small window where the beans are green, what's he going

572
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 3: to do? He is going to transition from that green

573
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 3: to other green slash corn. So I got two spots

574
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 3: that up to buy that corn ready to mow. Blinds

575
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 3: put on there if he shifts to the corn. And

576
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 3: there's kind of like one hundred and twenty yard gap

577
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 3: that goes from the corn to the beans, And I've

578
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 3: got brownings along the road lined up so I can

579
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,719
Speaker 3: catch him anytime he transitions.

580
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 2: And it's the transitions in that moment.

581
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 3: It's the closest corn round. So the last step was

582
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 3: the green and of course we haven't had rain, so

583
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 3: those food plots are kind of at the far end

584
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 3: of those beans, and we need to drag him to

585
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 3: the west through a little death trap. These beans were

586
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 3: very short, they were really late planted, and they're on

587
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 3: thirty inch rows. So I went over there and I

588
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 3: drilled wheat, ratuses and turnips for candy, and I actually

589
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 3: drilled a really heavy dose of winter Piece because winter Piece,

590
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 3: to me, they generally like will get decimated, you know

591
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like anytime you try and plan them.

592
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 3: They just wipe them out, but they love them because

593
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 3: it's so close to a soybean. I almost drilled soybeans

594
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 3: in the mix too, to get a bunch of baby soybeans.

595
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 3: And that's kind of putting all my eggs in that.

596
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 3: Just we're trying to hold him there in extra couple

597
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 3: of days to catch one front. So I drilled into

598
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 3: the standing beans, I know, till then we didn't get rained.

599
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 3: So then I went over there and spent a day

600
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 3: with a water tank and I put twenty six tank foles,

601
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 3: which equates a half of an eight inch per acre.

602
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 3: I watered this entire shield because I'm like, we've got

603
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 3: desperate times called for desperate measures. We've got to drag

604
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 3: that in all the while. So that day again back

605
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 3: to the hole. You can't run a big deer out thing.

606
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 3: Somebody was like, Oh, you're gonna run that deer out.

607
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 3: I'm like, that night, after I took twenty six trips

608
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 3: back and forth in there, he was back there on camera.

609
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 3: A few days later. I went back to check to

610
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 3: see if it germinated. I went back in there, and

611
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 3: he was on camera that night too, Both at night,

612
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 3: which I'm totally fine with. So all that being said,

613
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 3: I've anticipated what he's gonna do. He's gonna be on

614
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 3: the last being field, which we have. We have a

615
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 3: westerly wind, we've mitigated that, and we're dragging him to

616
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 3: And this is the final thing I did. There's like

617
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 3: a fifty yard gap. I took my side by side

618
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 3: and I grabbed all these tree tops that had blown

619
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 3: down on the edge of the field, and we do

620
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 3: all these walls, you know, like from excavation walls to

621
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 3: wolven wire fences whatever. I used to do this a

622
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 3: lot when I was young. But I just grabbed all

623
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 3: these blowdowns and I drug him around the field and

624
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 3: where that wishbone comes to the beans, I just laid

625
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,959
Speaker 3: them from that corner over there. I actually mowed under

626
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 3: the tree branches in the corner because that's where the

627
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 3: natural concentration of the set's going to be. I anticipated

628
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 3: where's he gonna want to scrape, So I led the

629
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 3: horse to water and I mowed it to dirt because

630
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 3: it was really tall brush. Gave him that spot, and

631
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 3: then from that corner, I laid those tree tops out

632
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 3: into the beans, so it looks like a tree fell

633
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 3: out in the field and then I didn't start no

634
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 3: tilling him until this side of that. So I'm leading

635
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 3: the horse to water and i'ms and this probably won't

636
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 3: work out like this, but if I'm that deer and

637
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 3: what he's doing, I'm gonna come out stage in those

638
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 3: little food pot that's already there. Which if my peas

639
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 3: and stuff popped and he transitions, which as of last night.

640
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 3: I text these guys this morning, I said, did you

641
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 3: notice how many deer are on the camera now loitering

642
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 3: right there? It's because that stuff popped. And I said,

643
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 3: if he starts doing this, which he did at last night,

644
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 3: I'm going to go in and I'm going to disk

645
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 3: half of that food plot in it's over there in

646
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 3: bow range because I don't want him loitering downwind and

647
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 3: I don't want him hanging up back there. So the

648
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 3: current situation now we got this pinch because of these blowdowns.

649
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 3: We basically reverse engineered thinking like a deer for a

650
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 3: very specific window, which is October. He should do this

651
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 3: the whole month of October unless he goes that corn.

652
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 3: But I think he'll be back and forth, So you know,

653
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 3: I don't know if that kind of ties everything in.

654
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 3: But currently I was texting them this morning, I said,

655
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 3: here we are. We got a decent look and opening day.

656
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 3: There's generally a very small window, like the first few

657
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 3: days a season where before they start getting to like

658
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 3: rammy or reclusive. That's a really good date phase or

659
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 3: mindset to get one killed. We have this weird like

660
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 3: long It's not like a really powerful magic X. It's

661
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 3: kind of like a long one. It's subtle. But I said,

662
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 3: the next few days will tell you know if he

663
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 3: locks onto this and starts doing this. I don't really

664
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 3: care if a deer is doing something at night, especially

665
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 3: this time of year, that's what they do. I mean,

666
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 3: you just got to pay attention to what they're doing

667
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 3: at night. So like in this example last night, I

668
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 3: mean he was he was doing what we want him

669
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 3: to do. And that's all good and fine, because in

670
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 3: my opinion, big matured Europe they're not necessarily like geniuses.

671
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 3: They're not like they can't like reason, or they're not

672
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 3: smarter than other deer. They just when they get into

673
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 3: this mindset in the fall and they start getting inclusive

674
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 3: and stuff, they have a much more specific set of

675
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 3: triggers that make them walk in daylight, but then when

676
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 3: you see them, they're just so we're all good with

677
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 3: him walking at night. It's fine. You just got to

678
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 3: anticipate the days that you need to be there in daylight,

679
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 3: which would be opening days looking decent. Because we have

680
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 3: a north northwest, we have some form of a high

681
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 3: pressure front. It's a long, kind of slow drawn out one.

682
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 3: But we also have a magical little date in those

683
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 3: first couple of days of the season.

684
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 2: And you're saying that that's magical just because it's the

685
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 2: first couple of days of the season and they haven't

686
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 2: been pressured yet. It's it's still relatively natural movement at

687
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 2: that point, right.

688
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that gets into my whole date phase, mindset

689
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 3: philosophy or not philosophy. It's just and again, like I've

690
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 3: seen people comment sometimes my stuff where they're like, oh,

691
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 3: it's not this regimented. Well it's not, but it's like

692
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 3: really good to have a regimented approach because it keeps

693
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 3: you within the realm of probability. And so, like I

694
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 3: talk about date phase or mindset, like some people call

695
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 3: it the phase of the deer season, some call it whatever,

696
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 3: But those three things mean the same thing. When you

697
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 3: talk about date, what it really means is what phase

698
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 3: of the deer season we're in. It also mean ultimately

699
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 3: means what is the mindset of the dear and that changes.

700
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 3: October is kind of the same mindset throughout the month.

701
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 3: It's just that it gets more rammy or more powerful.

702
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 3: He's in a territory, mark working, grumpy move in October.

703
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 3: Now there's two little there's a couple of little windows

704
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 3: or micro phases within that that I think, and that

705
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 3: is the first couple of days of season. For some reason,

706
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 3: just seems like you can have less of a powerful

707
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 3: environmental situation meaning weather, and still have them in daylight.

708
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 3: It's a small window, and I just subtly feel like

709
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 3: I've noticed it over the years.

710
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 2: Like first one days of the season maybe, what's that

711
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 2: like first three days of the season.

712
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, first three, four or five. You know, it's

713
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 3: pretty small that I noticed, and it's a subtle thing.

714
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 3: A lot of this stuff is subtle. And then there's

715
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 3: another phase I call the boomerang phase, and it's October

716
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 3: twenty eighth, and that's where, like all these years they

717
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 3: separate like they're doing now or whatever. And within that

718
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 3: older age class, they kind of each have their own

719
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 3: area that they're marking territory. And then, like clockwork, if

720
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 3: you pay attention on the twenty seventh, twenty eight, they're

721
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 3: sitting there and they're each doing this, and all of

722
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 3: a sudden, this dude goes whoom and he hits his

723
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:07,919
Speaker 3: scrapes and woom and he hits his scrapes and it's

724
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 3: not that regimented, but it kind of is if you

725
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 3: start paying attention to that. And so then by using

726
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 3: that concept, if it's October twenty eight, you might say, well,

727
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 3: I know this big deer is next door. I know

728
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 3: he's hit this scrape in the past. I'm probably gonna

729
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 3: go sit here tonight because there's a chance that he

730
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 3: boomerangs out of his core and he ends up over here.

731
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 3: And that's just one of those things compounding strategy, one

732
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 3: of them little layers in the jinga, you know, that

733
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 3: help you make educated decisions and eventually probability catches up

734
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 3: with you. Yeah.

735
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: So, I know you've talked in the past about wanting

736
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 2: to be ahead of the deer, like not not be

737
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: behind the deer, and reacting to pictures and stuff like

738
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 2: that and chasing them around, but rather anticipate the mindset,

739
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 2: anticipate the trigger with environmental conditions or whatever, and then

740
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 2: be there ahead of them. Can you expand a little

741
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: on those triggers that you touched a little bit there

742
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 2: on the mindset thing in October, but can you elaborate

743
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: on the other triggers that will allow you to be

744
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 2: ahead of the deer. We talked about this last time,

745
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 2: so we don't need to do it a super long run,

746
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 2: but I want to make sure if someone's listening and

747
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 2: they didn't hear that first one, that they get a

748
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 2: sense of what environmental factors you're looking for. And then also,

749
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 2: the moon is another thing I know you believe in two.

750
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 3: So I think of it as and again just simplifying it,

751
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 3: I think of it as three things that influence a

752
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 3: big deer to move in daylight. One is date phase

753
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 3: or mindset. That's a constant you can predict that years out.

754
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 3: Two is a moon phase. You know. I know there's

755
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 3: a lot of debate around it, but I just I

756
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,919
Speaker 3: can I've seen it, I can feel it. A bunch

757
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 3: of guys that are big deer killers, Mark Jury, Lee Lukowsky,

758
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 3: Ben Rising, they all feel it. That's another thing that's

759
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 3: a constant, that's something that you can predict and watch.

760
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 3: And then the third thing is environmental conditions and that's

761
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 3: the wild card. Those are the fronts. In my opinion,

762
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 3: it's all about high pressure fronts. I'm less concerned about

763
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 3: the temperature and it and more concerned about, you know

764
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 3: that the power of that high pressure front, which we

765
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 3: have videos on our YouTube called magic x Days or

766
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 3: something like that, or how to set up your weather

767
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 3: app or something, and that just kind of breaks down

768
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 3: how I how I look at that. But you know,

769
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 3: that's kind of everything else kind of falls in that.

770
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 3: Like I've seen some comments, well what about like the

771
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 3: rut like and a girlfriend and that, you know that

772
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 3: that falls into date phase or mindset, you know. So,

773
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 3: And as far as the moon, just so I can like,

774
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 3: I don't know anything. My moon thoughts are so simple.

775
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 3: It's like I don't know anything about a red moon.

776
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 3: I don't know anything about all the charts. All I

777
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 3: know is that the rising moon is powerful and when

778
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 3: it rises forty five minutes before it, you know, the

779
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 3: sunsets on the day before the full moon, it's more powerful.

780
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 3: It's a factor that makes it more powerful to see him,

781
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 3: and then it flips in the morning, perfect example. And

782
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 3: again this is kind of subtle, but if you pay attention,

783
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 3: did you see all the big year that got shot

784
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 3: in the opening few days of Kentucky and Kansas this

785
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 3: year and there was not really any good weather and

786
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 3: then it kind of slowed down perfect moon a couple

787
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 3: of days leading up to the full moon. So that

788
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 3: that's the type of subtle things you pay pay attention to,

789
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 3: you know. So this year we're anticipating that full moon

790
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 3: around what the fourteenth, thirteenth of October. I've seen so

791
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 3: many years where everybody's like, oh October wall and the

792
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 3: moon's in the middle of a month like that, and

793
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 3: it's fire, you know. And again it's like one of

794
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 3: them things where you might choose to hunt on a

795
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 3: subpar environmental night because it's in that powerful three day

796
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 3: window or four day window leading up to the full

797
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 3: and you might kill him because of that, you know.

798
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 3: And the day of the fall, Like I feel like

799
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 3: over the years, I've I've just noticed that you might

800
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 3: not see a ton of deer. You won't see a

801
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,280
Speaker 3: ton of deer, but man, you might see the biggest

802
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 3: one in the woods like last light interesting.

803
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 2: And so the basically what you're the moon thing that

804
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 2: you care about is when the moon is rising or

805
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 2: still up at the edges, right, So when the moon's

806
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 2: out just before it gets dark, and when it's still

807
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 2: up in the daylight the next morning, right. And that

808
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 2: usually is happening in the four or five days before

809
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 2: the full moon. That's happening in the evening, and then

810
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 2: the four or five days after the full moon that's

811
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 2: happening in the morning.

812
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 3: And if you pay attention to it, I just feel

813
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 3: like there's always a deer that you're like, there wasn't

814
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 3: really great weather and he was out in daylight, and

815
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 3: then you go check it gets if you're watching a

816
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 3: deer one of those days in the five days leading

817
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 3: up in the full moon, he'll generally be out there

818
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 3: in daylight and it's on a explainable you know.

819
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, we talked about this last year leading into

820
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 2: the year, and you talked about how you know if

821
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 2: you've got a target buck that you're on that full

822
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 2: moon last year is October twenty eighth, and you said,

823
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 2: you know, be ready either those evenings leading up to

824
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 2: it or the mornings afterwards. Especially if we get a

825
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: good cold front hitting around that same time, it's going

826
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 2: to be the best week of the whole year. YadA, YadA, YadA. Well,

827
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: we had a front hit that time, Pier in the Midwest,

828
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 2: and my target Buck I had my first close encounter

829
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 2: with him the morning of the the morning of the thirtieth,

830
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 2: and then got a shot at him the evening of

831
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 2: the thirtieth. No, I take the back the first encounter

832
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 2: with in the morning of the twenty ninth, and had

833
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 2: another encounter with the morning of the thirtieth, got a

834
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,720
Speaker 2: shot him that evening. So I certainly saw the power

835
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: of those conditions all coming together myself last year. See

836
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 2: what happens this year.

837
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 3: The real one. So watch for years like this where

838
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 3: it's kind of in the middle the month, when people

839
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 3: are kind of like not too excited, you know, and

840
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,720
Speaker 3: it's like, man, these these are these are the knights

841
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 3: from here.

842
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 2: So mindset is what they're doing at certain times of

843
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 2: the year. Moon weather conditions, that being the high pressure

844
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 2: front and the temperature dropping while cloud covers dropping and

845
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 2: barre metric pressures rising. That's your magic xt day. I've

846
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 2: heard you talk about all that a lot, and It

847
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense when it comes to predicting

848
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 2: when a deer is going to move and making sure

849
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 2: you're ahead of him. Something I haven't heard you talk

850
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 2: about as much, though, is actual individual deer data or

851
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 2: information like annual patterns, like if a deer did something

852
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 2: last year, will he do it again this year? Or

853
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: how much does camera information or observations of deer doing

854
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,919
Speaker 2: you know, a specific deer doing a thing in past

855
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 2: years or this year, how much does that factor into

856
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 2: your decision making process when deciding when to strike. I mean,

857
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 2: it's it is huge. You hear it all over the place.

858
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, you can take that to the bank. That's

859
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 2: some of the best information you can have if you

860
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 2: know what he did last year.

861
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 3: I need to get better about categorizing that stuff in

862
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 3: years past from deer that aren't ready to shoot yet.

863
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 3: But yeah, it is so powerful, like right to the day,

864
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 3: it seems.

865
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 2: You know. So do you have do you have any

866
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 2: process for analyzing that.

867
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 3: Form of that that I that I can talk about

868
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 3: is that I don't see a lot here a lot

869
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 3: of people talking about is you probably heard me talk

870
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 3: about this too, like building a straight map if I'm

871
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 3: on a new property, or I'm scouting in the fall,

872
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 3: like I'll or even if I get a property late

873
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 3: in the winter, sometimes I'll put cameras all over that

874
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 3: farm because those deer will hit scrape super late. I

875
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 3: don't know if you've ever watched it, but they'll hit

876
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,760
Speaker 3: apes into like February, it's March. I mean, it's crazy,

877
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 3: and just by learning, Like when I'm on a farm,

878
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 3: I'll pin on onyx, I'll pin every scrape I find

879
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 3: in every bed I find so that I can look

880
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,439
Speaker 3: at it and it might not make sense this year,

881
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 3: but next year, like it'll it'll just sometimes it's like

882
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 3: a light bulb, like, oh, you already got the map.

883
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 3: You already got the you know, you got the dots

884
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 3: of all the bedding areas to where he's going to

885
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 3: go looking, and you've got all the scrapes, and those

886
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 3: scrapes are making sense, you know, when he shows up

887
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 3: the following year. So I guess that'd be one version

888
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 3: of it. But yeah, I mean, I don't know how

889
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 3: to deep dive too much in that other than saying

890
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:51,479
Speaker 3: absolutely they will do the same thing almost to the day.

891
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 3: It seems like, you know, one quick story hunted this

892
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 3: place late season saw a big dear got set up,

893
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 3: dropped Antler's Christmas day bummed. The next year, it was

894
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 3: all corn. I went up there. It was that face

895
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 3: face with a monster deer. It was all corn. So

896
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 3: I waited late until I knew there were scrapes because

897
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 3: the edges weren't mode and it was going to be

898
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 3: a nightmare. And that deer was betting like in this

899
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 3: little area the year before that winter. And I went

900
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 3: up there and I came around the corner and I'm

901
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 3: looking for scrapes to put cameras and got a backpack

902
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 3: and weed whacker and I come around the corner and

903
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, there's got to be a scrape right here.

904
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 3: This is kind of where he was coming out, and

905
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 3: this point it's all kind of beat down. I come

906
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 3: around the corner. Dude, he stood up out of the

907
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 3: I mean it was right where I left him the

908
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 3: year before in the winter. He stood up and took

909
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 3: off out of there, and it looked like a grocery

910
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 3: car and on top of his head. I was like,

911
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 3: oh my god. So yeah, I mean, they'll uh And

912
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 3: that's not really doing the same thing to the date.

913
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 3: That's just doing the same thing, But.

914
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 2: Yes, will you? Will you ever be in a situation

915
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 2: where you have your mouse trap laid, everything's set, and

916
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 2: you would go hunt him because of that annual pattern,

917
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 2: even if those other factors like the moon sucks the

918
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,760
Speaker 2: mindset maybe maybe it's mid October, so you know, mindset

919
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 2: maybe not be the best it could be, and the

920
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 2: temperature stuff is not that great. But man, last year

921
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 2: he did it. Would you hunt in that situation?

922
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 3: I'll give you a good example of that one too.

923
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 3: I feel like today, these these real world examples are

924
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 3: coming out. A couple of years ago, I shot that

925
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 3: really wide goofy giant there in Illinois, So I literally

926
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 3: kind of took a bunch of you know, stands down

927
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 3: stuff and I left one stand in case he showed up.

928
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 3: And he was a lot bigger because it was like

929
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 3: definitely like right ground zero for this year in in

930
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 3: the rout. And anyway, I didn't, I didn't. I had

931
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 3: one picture of him, it wasn't a great picture, and

932
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 3: I kind of wasn't even hunting him. It was a

933
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 3: bad picture. And I had a picture next door on

934
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 3: the piece that I accessed through these people gave me

935
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 3: permission to come through there, and they had a produce

936
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 3: patch back there, and I had a camera on the

937
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 3: produce patch they let me put out, and I had

938
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 3: kinda I wasn't even really paying too much attention to it.

939
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, like November fourth this year, was

940
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 3: like standing in the camera and I'm like, wow, I

941
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 3: definitely miss unjudged that thing. So the next day we

942
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 3: had it was that day we had like fifty mile

943
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 3: hour winds or whatever, two seasons ago twenty two, like

944
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 3: the fifth or something like that, and I literally just

945
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 3: went up there and went right to that stand. I

946
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 3: left for that deer in horrible conditions. I mean, it

947
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 3: was probably some type of affront coming through, I would

948
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 3: assume because of the wind and stuff, but man, it

949
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 3: was crazy conditions. Fifty The only reason it happened was

950
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 3: because they were all bedded on the north sides in

951
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 3: this bedding area of the slope. So I was able

952
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 3: to get in there, you know, because they weren't betted

953
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 3: where they normally would have been betted, and they were

954
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 3: betted right on the backside of a cliff right next

955
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,439
Speaker 3: to me, and they popped up. But so that would

956
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 3: be an example of just like you know, going to

957
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 3: where I knew he was the year before, and I

958
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 3: literally left a stand for that deer. And it wasn't

959
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 3: the most like I mean, I wasn't even really thinking

960
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 3: about the deer until the day before when I got

961
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 3: the picture and I was like, oh my god, misjudged him.

962
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you will. You would look at annual data

963
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 2: as being enough to go in after him, even if

964
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 2: the conditions aren't aren't perfect.

965
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 3: Probably probably one of the most powerful things, you know,

966
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 3: And I think you still need the conditions to really

967
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 3: make it effective. But if you're ultimately you still got

968
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 3: a hunt, especially in the rut, like you still got

969
00:52:55,680 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 3: hunt because in the rut or you know, saying the

970
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 3: rut is kind of like a very broad thing because

971
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 3: of that that means so much. I mean, the whole

972
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 3: deer season is the ruck. Even right now we're ramping

973
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 3: where this is a phase of the rock, their mindset

974
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 3: is they're getting like, the whole thing is the rock.

975
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 3: A deer's whole life is the ruck. But you know,

976
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 3: so so yeah, you still got to have the weather conditions,

977
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 3: you know, to make a move. But when we get

978
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 3: into a certain date phase or mindset, you have got

979
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 3: to be in there with them, you know, kind of

980
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 3: like two things. Two things I could tell somebody to

981
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 3: do to up their probability and almost get out of

982
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 3: their own way is once November first rolls around, get

983
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 3: out of the boxes, get out of the fields, and

984
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,879
Speaker 3: get in the woods in the cover, because that's where

985
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 3: they're gonna spend the highest amount of their time. And

986
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 3: the other tip would be, once November first rolls around,

987
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 3: stop paying attention to your trail cameras and just hunt

988
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 3: and think like a deer. And you know, yeah, the

989
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 3: cameras will basically tell you he's a live or he's dead,

990
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 3: are he's still around or whatever, But it doesn't even

991
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 3: matter if he's not around, because you could somebody could

992
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 3: be like, oh, I got a picture him two miles

993
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:16,879
Speaker 3: away that evening before, and then you don't go hunt,

994
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 3: and then he's all over your farm that morning. So

995
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 3: those cameras will do more harm to your mental status

996
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 3: when you roll around in November first, and they will

997
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 3: do good guaranteed.

998
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 2: And they do it for me to get a dinno

999
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 2: right here too. So that's perfect though, because the next

1000
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 2: thing I wanted to ask you about was was kind

1001
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 2: of shifting gears to Okay, we've talked a lot about

1002
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 2: when to hunt and when not hunt, or when to

1003
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 2: be conservative versus aggressive. But now let's talk a little

1004
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 2: bit about where you're actually setting up on this deer

1005
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 2: and you know, picking those locations. I've heard you discuss

1006
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 2: this idea of thinking like a deer, always trying to

1007
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 2: think like a deer when picking a tree stand location

1008
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 2: or line location. But let's just let's work with the

1009
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 2: assumption that we're on an undeveloped farm, because anyone listening

1010
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 2: today in October, you know, it's too late for them

1011
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 2: to develop their farm because they're hunting right now, so

1012
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 2: they're stuck with whatever they have. All they can do

1013
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 2: now is find spots that check the boxes and set

1014
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 2: up there possibly. So, can you explain a little bit

1015
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 2: about what you mean when you say thinking like a

1016
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 2: deer and how does that play into your strategy and

1017
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 2: picking spots to hunt?

1018
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:32,919
Speaker 3: Yep, in October, their mindset is to mark territory. They're

1019
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 3: flexing their muscles to the deer population, and they're trying

1020
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 3: to show off as simple as as I can explain it.

1021
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 3: You want to get cameras on all the scrapes on

1022
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 3: your hunting area, especially you know, especially the ones on

1023
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 3: the field edges around the food, and they're going to

1024
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 3: tell you the story of what he's doing where he's

1025
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 3: going to do that. Then you need to find a

1026
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 3: spot to get set up that as good ingress or egress,

1027
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 3: and that's kind of I guess I would take the

1028
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 3: right spot over good Ingress or egress. But the most

1029
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 3: important thing I could say about your setup in October

1030
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 3: is those evenings he's gonna move are most likely gonna

1031
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 3: be westerly, the northwesterly wins, They're gonna be high pressure fronts.

1032
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 3: So you need to have your setups for those evenings

1033
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 3: that he's most likely to move, and you need to

1034
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 3: really pay attention to finding a setup where you're northwest

1035
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 3: also aligns with a big deep ditch behind you or

1036
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 3: a hillside or something to pull your air down. I

1037
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 3: feel like more big deer have escaped death because of

1038
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 3: the air currents in October than any one thing, because

1039
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 3: we've all been screwed by him. Just when the sun

1040
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 3: goes down in October and your highest odds of him

1041
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 3: coming out the air or just starts doing whatever it

1042
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 3: wants to do, and you need a big ditch or

1043
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 3: hole for the thermals to suck down that hole. So

1044
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 3: so that that'd be my process. Cameras on the scrapes,

1045
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 3: figure out which one he's hitting, hunt that scrape, but

1046
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 3: do it in a way that you're hunting with a

1047
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 3: wester really to the northwest, really, and you have something

1048
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 3: to pull your thermals down. I did a little real

1049
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 3: couple of days ago showing the type of spot that

1050
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 3: I would choose. I would rather be in a stand

1051
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 3: than a line, and we manufactured blinds itself, and they're

1052
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 3: sent free for that reason. It's a tool, a deadly tool.

1053
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 3: I'd rather be in the tree A lot of times.

1054
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 3: I'll have a tree over the line. I'll have a

1055
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 3: stand one. I'll be in the stand during the November

1056
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 3: and the blind during October. But you know, thinking about

1057
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 3: those air currents and the egress part, like, honestly, in October,

1058
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 3: you know that you know the days that he's likely

1059
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 3: to walk, Like there are certain days in October and

1060
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 3: everything's lined up where I go into the woods and

1061
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 3: I'm like this because I just I just know that

1062
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 3: the odds are so high. So that being said, you

1063
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 3: could have a spot that's bad egress because your risk

1064
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 3: reward is so high, that the reward is so high

1065
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 3: on those certain nights in October that it's not like

1066
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 3: you got to come out of there every day. Now,

1067
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 3: if you do have the fortune to develop a farm

1068
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 3: and create perfect egress, it just helps your probability because

1069
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 3: you're able to haunt every night and not screw things up.

1070
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 2: So in that October timeframe, when you're thinking like a deer,

1071
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 2: I know one thing a lot of people talk about

1072
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 2: is is thinking about how a deer wants to use

1073
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,439
Speaker 2: their wind. So you mentioned like, hey, on those really

1074
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 2: good days for conditions, we're probably going to have the

1075
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 2: west or northwest wind because that's pushing a front through.

1076
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 2: That's good for us. It's probably gonna get them on

1077
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 2: their feet. But with that wind, how do we How

1078
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 2: does that factor into how you predict what they're gonna do?

1079
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 2: Do you? Are you one of the guys that things

1080
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 2: that these deer are almost always going to use the

1081
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 2: wind or what? No?

1082
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 3: Personally, I have tried. I have tried to make myself

1083
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 3: believe it for a long time. I've watched it, and

1084
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 3: I've watched these big deer walk with the wind that

1085
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 3: they're back in October. It is long now. I don't

1086
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 3: I don't hunt a lot of like crazy pressure, dear,

1087
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 3: I don't hunt. I don't hunt a lot of public ground.

1088
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 3: I don't. That might be a thing. I could see

1089
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 3: them adapting to that. But the farms that I hunt,

1090
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 3: where I purposely am trying to keep the pressure off.

1091
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 3: I don't buy it. Like they're just the deer. They're

1092
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 3: not gonna do. You know how hard it would be

1093
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 3: to live your life walking like they'd be. They look

1094
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 3: like they look like, you know what, like they're out

1095
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 3: there like you know, a shrimp boat or something. You know.

1096
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 3: I just don't buy it. I haven't seen it. They

1097
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 3: don't need to do that. But when November rolls around,

1098
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 3: it's a whole different story. Now they're hunting, you're hunting them.

1099
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:12,959
Speaker 3: They're hunting. Does does live in cover? You can't see

1100
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 3: into cover a lot of the times, depending on the farm.

1101
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:18,479
Speaker 3: They're using their nose to find a doe. And that's

1102
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 3: when it becomes really important. So as far as the

1103
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 3: winds in October, I'm not really concerned with making him

1104
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 3: walk into the wind or this or that. November completely

1105
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 3: different story, and you know, and another thing about that

1106
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 3: in October, I think I hear every year I start

1107
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 3: getting texts all they're pushing them already, they're bumping, or

1108
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 3: they're they're chasing already, and it's like they'll send a

1109
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 3: video and Buck comes out there's a couple of dose

1110
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 3: over here, and he goes over to him and he

1111
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 3: lip curls, he rushes them and they go straight to

1112
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 3: the closest scrape and they leave the field. I think there,

1113
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 3: you've got to get your head wrapped around the fact that, yeah,

1114
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 3: there's some does that come in early. I get that,

1115
01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 3: but you're you're hunting probability, you're hunting the mass numbers

1116
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 3: of what's going on. You know, he's flexing his muscles,

1117
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 3: he's he's marking his territory. He's grumpy, you know, he's

1118
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 3: when he stretches his legs on. I mean, I've seen

1119
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 3: some nights in the end of October where they just

1120
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 3: put the miles on straight plot through the woods, next

1121
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 3: straight plot boom. You know. So that's the mindset they're

1122
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 3: in in October, is their marking territory. They don't need

1123
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 3: their nose to do that.

1124
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 2: November, they're hunting. Does now walk me through how you're

1125
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 2: thinking like a deer and using that fact to your

1126
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 2: advantage when choosing word hunt.

1127
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. So uh, it's almost start looking at those betting areas,

1128
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 3: those spots you know, does bed within his core area

1129
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 3: as food box or kill plots, they're destinations. The difference

1130
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 3: is instead of likely he's only going to show up

1131
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 3: there at last later or the first thing in the morning,

1132
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 3: he could show up there at any time of day.

1133
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 3: So you know, think of those betting areas is connect

1134
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 3: the dots. I've also seen them go on a jaunt

1135
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 3: on the right day with the right conditions in November

1136
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 3: where they'll hit every single I mean they're on every camera,

1137
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 3: it seems like on the whole farm in a matter

1138
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 3: of ten minutes. I mean it's just crazy. We've all

1139
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 3: seen that too. So yeah, you just got to think,

1140
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 3: like a deer, he's going to be checked. Those are

1141
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 3: the places like you can kill him on food source

1142
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 3: in October or November. I've done it late in the

1143
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 3: day and stuff like that, and a lot of times

1144
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 3: my strategy because to get into some of these places

1145
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 3: in November it's more invasive. But the way you make

1146
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 3: it uninvasive and hunt the best time of day to

1147
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 3: kill the most matured deer in the woods is you

1148
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 3: wait until the field clears, the field's clear gray daylight

1149
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 3: eight thirty, You shoot across the field on the bike

1150
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 3: and you get into a sweet inside corner funnel on

1151
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 3: the down inside of the cover, and you sit there

1152
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 3: till two thirty, and then you get back onto your

1153
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 3: bike and you go shoot over and maybe you do

1154
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 3: hunt a food plot in the afternoon or whatever. And

1155
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 3: that's that is like, in my opinion, most matured here

1156
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 3: in the woods. You are definitely more likely to kill

1157
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 3: him in the middle of the day between the fifth

1158
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 3: and the thirteenth than you are in primetime in the

1159
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 3: morning in the evening. We used to see that back

1160
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 3: in the day, like when I was just guiding for outfitters,

1161
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 3: like years and years ago. It was just crazy to

1162
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 3: me that like the few amount of people like if

1163
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 3: we had like, you know, one hundred people or whatever

1164
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 3: in the in the season, the few amount of people

1165
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,959
Speaker 3: that actually hunted all day to the number of deer

1166
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 3: that were big deer that were killed in the middle,

1167
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 3: it's crazy, you know. And that's when you're watching odds

1168
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 3: and probability at work, because you've got so many people

1169
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,439
Speaker 3: out there. Again, you're not gonna see a ton of deer.

1170
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 3: But man, it's just it's kind of like turkey hunting

1171
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 3: when when they lose their hens or whatever and they

1172
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:20,919
Speaker 3: just are so vulnerable in the middle of the day.

1173
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 3: It's the same deal, man. They just they'll get out

1174
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 3: and stretch your legs and it's hard to tell. You

1175
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 3: just got to be there. You got to grind her out.

1176
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it seems like the core principle there during

1177
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 2: the rut for you is rather than pinch points and funnels,

1178
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 2: it's really more downwind of the cover, downwind of those

1179
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 2: betting plots as you describe them, and that's that's where

1180
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 2: the buck's going to because lots of times people will

1181
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 2: set up in the spot where the wind's good for

1182
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 2: them in the rut, but the deer would never be

1183
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 2: there because they can't use the wind to send check

1184
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 2: for dose. You want to be where they're going to be,

1185
01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 2: which is what you just describe, correct.

1186
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 3: I mean, so I prefer to be in a funnel

1187
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 3: that also is on the down wind side of the cover,

1188
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 3: and it doesn't necessarily just need to be like a

1189
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 3: betting area. The whole wood lot is cover, so like,

1190
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 3: you know, I like to be in a funnel that

1191
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 3: is also relative to the downwind of cover, or a

1192
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 3: funnel on that side of the wood lot, because he's

1193
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 3: most likely not going to be you know, again, he

1194
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 3: could be anywhere, but probability, you're just stacking odds by

1195
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 3: by thinking like a deer, you know. And then date

1196
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 3: phase mindset. When you get into November, there's like so

1197
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 3: many like like little phases I feel like to happen

1198
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 3: and it happened to the day, and I kind of

1199
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 3: try and be out ahead of them. So like I

1200
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 3: personally think like the biggest, most mature deer in woods

1201
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 3: can be hardest to kill in the early part of

1202
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 3: November because they get the as that bell curve a

1203
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 3: doze comes in, they get the first one and they

1204
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:55,439
Speaker 3: lock down, and when that she comes out, he goes

1205
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 3: looking and there's more options. He gets another one and

1206
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 3: locks down, and a lot of times they become kind

1207
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 3: of non existent. And I think that's why the mid

1208
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 3: day is so powerful, because you know, when they lose them,

1209
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 3: they just you know, they gotta go searching.

1210
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 2: And then.

1211
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 3: I love that time of year because it's like this wild,

1212
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 3: you know, the tenth and eleventh or some of the

1213
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 3: most exciting days. And then you get into like I

1214
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 3: always look at the fourteenth and fifteenth as lockdown. I

1215
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 3: kind of generally take that as a couple of days

1216
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 3: to regain you know, energy and whatever. I'm not rammy,

1217
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 3: I'm just tired, and so you know, I'll chill out

1218
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 3: for a couple of days on purpose. Usually not to

1219
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 3: say that they're not good days, because they can be,

1220
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 3: but that's my rule. And then from like the sixteenth

1221
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 3: or seventeenth to the twentieth, I think is the most

1222
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 3: powerful time of the rut to kill the biggest year

1223
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 3: in the woods. I call it. So that first phase

1224
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 3: I call pre lockdown cruise phase, and then lockdown. And

1225
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 3: then this is why in my own mind called post

1226
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 3: lockdown cruise fase. That's when I feel like I see

1227
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 3: the just mega giants. It's when I not that I

1228
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 3: see him all the time, but the ones I've seen,

1229
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 3: the ones I see on cameras, the random like giant

1230
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 3: that you're like, what where did that come from? It's like,

1231
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 3: you know, that's when that all goes on, because now

1232
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 3: the belf gurves come off. He's lost of dough and

1233
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 3: now he has to work for it, and he's had

1234
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 3: to taste the lion, and lion tastes good, so he's like,

1235
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 3: you know, fiending, and so that's a very vulnerable stage.

1236
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 3: That's when you get those deer. They're kind of like

1237
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 3: almost like zombies, like like you're like, really, he's not

1238
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 3: acting like a big dear. And I think I think

1239
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 3: that phase kind of continues on for a long time.

1240
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 3: I've seen some of them zombie walkers up until December.

1241
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 3: I just think that you know, here in Illinois, like

1242
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 3: where I hunt a lot, I think the gun pressure

1243
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 3: and stuff kind of puts a big squash on some

1244
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 3: of the natural movement of that.

1245
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, I've seen a number of your videos where

1246
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 2: you have talked about or shown spots like this where

1247
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 2: you're hunting a situation like some of the stuff you've described.

1248
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 2: And something I've noticed is that very rarely are any

1249
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 2: of your stands set up for one reason, Like there's

1250
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 2: never just one feature, like as we just talked about,

1251
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 2: like you don't want to be just downwind to the

1252
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 2: betting or just downwind to the cover. You want the

1253
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 2: pinch point that also is downwind to the cover. It

1254
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 2: seems like you've said this, you're always looking for spots

1255
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 2: where features compound, they like build off of each other.

1256
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 2: Can you can you just expand on that a little

1257
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 2: bit when you're choosing spots to hunt. What kinds of

1258
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:46,719
Speaker 2: spots give you those multiple reasons or those compounding factors

1259
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 2: that make it a really powerful location? Because I think

1260
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 2: over the next month, month and a half, there's gonna

1261
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 2: be a lot of guys and girls walking through the

1262
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 2: woods trying to say, should I hunt here? Hunt here?

1263
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 2: And I want to lay out some clear guidelines for

1264
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:01,719
Speaker 2: what makes a spot like the spot within the spot

1265
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 2: the best of the best.

1266
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, pay attention to the deer and

1267
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 3: the cameras, even if they're night because I always say

1268
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 3: the best way to learn a farm is to learn

1269
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 3: it through a deer. You know, he'll teach at the

1270
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:15,680
Speaker 3: farm in October. Compounding would be, like I said, you

1271
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 3: really want to pay attention to those thermals because it

1272
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 3: doesn't matter how good the spot is, you're gonna get

1273
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 3: blown up. And if there's downhill going towards where he's

1274
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 3: coming from and the winds in your face, you are screwed.

1275
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:28,679
Speaker 3: Before you start it, and you better hope it comes

1276
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:33,679
Speaker 3: out early in November. You know, Like we just talked

1277
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 3: about funnels on the down wind side, you know, thinking

1278
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 3: like a deer one thing to get more granule on.

1279
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:45,640
Speaker 3: This is like, I have this thing it says I

1280
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,719
Speaker 3: would rather be in the wrong tree in the right

1281
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 3: spot then the right tree in the wrong spot. I

1282
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 3: see so many people and I'll you know, we'll get

1283
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 3: you know, me and my buddies getting like arguments about

1284
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 3: the tree stand location. But I just feel like sometimes

1285
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 3: it is a matter of yards between it being where

1286
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 3: it needs to be and not. When I'm assessing a

1287
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 3: spot that I'm going to put a stand, I'm looking

1288
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:17,600
Speaker 3: around at blowdowns and depressions and all this stuff and

1289
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 3: sticks that are falling bushes, and I'm like, when he

1290
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 3: moves through here, how is he going to navigate this stuff?

1291
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 3: Because it's usually like all these micro funnels within a

1292
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 3: fifty yard area, that's what they are. And so I'll

1293
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 3: kind of read the area and then i'll go based

1294
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:37,720
Speaker 3: on the wind I want to hunt here, and I'll

1295
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 3: look there and I'll be like, where's the closest tree.

1296
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:42,799
Speaker 3: A lot of times it'll be I mean, my friends

1297
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 3: make fun of me because I get some jacked up

1298
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 3: little stuff and I won't sacrifice being in the wrong

1299
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:50,840
Speaker 3: tree if it means I got to build a nest

1300
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:53,680
Speaker 3: uff there or be two feet off whatever, I got

1301
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 3: to do. So, and then once I picked the tree

1302
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:01,760
Speaker 3: that I'm going to be in. This is kind of

1303
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 3: something I think might be unique to my approach. A

1304
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 3: lot of people are always like, well, I'm hunting this,

1305
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 3: so I'm going to hang a stand like this. Because

1306
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 3: I'm right handed, I will always put my back to

1307
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 3: the least likely spot or the spot, and that's impossible

1308
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 3: for a deer to be. So sometimes it might be

1309
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 3: a ditch. Sometimes it might be a big huge blowdown.

1310
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 3: Sometimes it might be a pond or whatever. I'll always

1311
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 3: put my back to that, even if I've got to

1312
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:27,720
Speaker 3: stand up to shoot that way, because it ups my

1313
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 3: odds because one hundred percent chance I can't shoot that

1314
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 3: way and I can only shoot from here to here,

1315
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So I don't know if

1316
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:40,679
Speaker 3: that if all that plays into that question?

1317
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about what about what about finding spots where

1318
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 2: you have you know, you build these situations a lot

1319
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 2: where I see you build a you know you'll you'll

1320
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 2: put blowdowns down or wolven wire or something to to

1321
01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:00,599
Speaker 2: funnel deer past a certain thing, and then you'll also

1322
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 2: have a natural ditch crossing, and then there will also

1323
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 2: be an inside corner, and then there will also be

1324
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 2: a scrape tree or something like that. Like, I see

1325
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,679
Speaker 2: you build those things, but I've also seen you find

1326
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 2: spots like that, And I guess I'm just looking for

1327
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 2: more ideas for how to find those spots when we

1328
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:21,759
Speaker 2: can't build them, or do you have any other examples

1329
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 2: you can share of a found spot like that that'd

1330
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 2: be worth keying in on or looking for.

1331
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 3: I guess, you know, when I see them, I just

1332
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 3: it just kind of makes sense. You know, you'll have

1333
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,559
Speaker 3: old fences in the woods with a hole in the

1334
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,719
Speaker 3: fence that's also on an inside corner, there's a ditch.

1335
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 3: I don't know how you find them, because how to

1336
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 3: tell you to find them because it you know, every

1337
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:46,559
Speaker 3: farm is different, but you can see when there's layers

1338
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 3: of something going on. Like you know, sometimes if you

1339
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 3: find an old tens in the woods, you just need

1340
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:53,919
Speaker 3: to walk it until you find the spot that they're crossing.

1341
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 3: Those are some of the best spots in the world.

1342
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, and then as far as manipulating, like

1343
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 3: you know, you can manipulate like crazy, like you know,

1344
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 3: probably that video you're talking about on or YouTube recently

1345
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 3: where you're looking at the farm and the natural pinches

1346
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 3: and ditches and this and that, and then you're building

1347
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 3: this other stuff off of that, you know. So it's

1348
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:20,640
Speaker 3: like it's where the deer already want to be, and

1349
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 3: you're just squeezing them even more. And then like an

1350
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 3: example of this deer I'm helping my friends kill, like

1351
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 3: I was out there toting deadfalls around to pinch it off,

1352
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:35,080
Speaker 3: but I was anticipating like that outside corner concentration ascent

1353
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 3: where he's probably gonna naturally want to come anyway, and

1354
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:38,719
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to cope them a little bit closer

1355
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 3: to my setup, which happens to be at the head

1356
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 3: of the ditch for the So it's almost like sometimes

1357
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 3: this is another way of saying it, but you're trying

1358
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 3: to make him come to you, like you're trying to

1359
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 3: make him do what you want on your terms because

1360
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 3: it ups your odds so much. But your original question

1361
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 3: asking how to find those spots.

1362
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and I think I think we've covered it

1363
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:07,680
Speaker 2: in that. You know, I think I said this a

1364
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 2: second goal I used to even be guilty of when

1365
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:13,719
Speaker 2: I was first starting this. You know, going down this path,

1366
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 2: I would find one reason to hunt a spot, and

1367
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 2: that's set up camp there. It'd be like, hey, this

1368
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:21,680
Speaker 2: this seems like a betting era. I'm gonna hunt the

1369
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:23,640
Speaker 2: betting air. And that was enough. And now I'm at

1370
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 2: a point and it seems like this is something you

1371
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 2: really prioritize, which is well, I don't want to be

1372
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:28,680
Speaker 2: just down one of the betting air. I want to

1373
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 2: be down one of the betting aar at the place

1374
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:33,639
Speaker 2: where the natural pin pinch is also at the place

1375
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 2: where I'm within shooting range of this big hubscrape inside

1376
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 2: the cover, and I've also taken a look in. I've

1377
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:41,639
Speaker 2: noticed there also happens to be a little dish crossing

1378
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 2: here that might funnel movement even a little bit better.

1379
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 2: So it's like the spot within the spot within the spot.

1380
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 3: And you know, when you get into November, sometimes I

1381
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 3: think reading terrain is more powerful than reading sign, Like,

1382
01:14:56,920 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 3: for example, the deer trails might be doing this on

1383
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 3: the inside corner because all year long the deer are

1384
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 3: coming to and from the food. So they're making that

1385
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 3: sign thinking like a deer being out in front that

1386
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 3: stand you hung on an inside corner. That's for a

1387
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:20,680
Speaker 3: specific deer or a buck, using it in a completely

1388
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 3: different way than they use it the entire rest of

1389
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:25,759
Speaker 3: the year. So sometimes you don't need to pay attention

1390
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 3: so much to the sign or the trails. You need

1391
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 3: to anticipate what he's going to walk in that very

1392
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 3: short window of the deer season, and there's not going

1393
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 3: to be really enough traffic to ever make a giant

1394
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 3: deer trail there, you know, so none might have.

1395
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point.

1396
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:44,479
Speaker 3: You know.

1397
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 2: Another thing that I've heard you bramp a lot is

1398
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 2: focusing on areas where there's a concentration of scent. Yes,

1399
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 2: I've heard you talk about that for hunting locations, for

1400
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 2: camera locations, for a lot of stuff. Can you talk

1401
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 2: about that a little bit first off, like what kinds

1402
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 2: of spots would qualify as being concentrators of scent? And

1403
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 2: then how does that factor into the things that you do.

1404
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's another thing that's not really been talked about

1405
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:13,799
Speaker 3: for years within the you know, all the hunting industry

1406
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 3: and stuff. But we say it all the time. When

1407
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 3: we're on farms, we say concentration of scent. If you

1408
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 3: pay attention to sign buck sign, you know, you find

1409
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 3: a cluster of old big rubs from years past, or

1410
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 3: you find a random straight down in the woods or

1411
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:38,760
Speaker 3: giant rubs somewhere. If you look around real quick, it's

1412
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 3: almost always in some type of a concentration of scent,

1413
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:47,639
Speaker 3: whether it be you know, I mean the reason happens

1414
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 3: on food plots and food edges is because there's a

1415
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 3: concentration of scent there, you know. And all that being said,

1416
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:59,639
Speaker 3: Like the biggest when we talk about it, the most

1417
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 3: and the biggest you know thing I keen in on

1418
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 3: it is tree coy locations slash. You know, when you're

1419
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 3: trying to make a scrape or a deer go to

1420
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:12,640
Speaker 3: a certain spot, or you've got a green grain in

1421
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 3: a little section events or something to pinch them, you're

1422
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 3: creating concentration of scent and you're you're you're you have

1423
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 3: the green to grain or green to grain or whatever

1424
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 3: it is. You have the pinch. Then you put a

1425
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:30,720
Speaker 3: tree coy there. You eliminate scrape branches, natural ones on

1426
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:35,800
Speaker 3: the edges and all that stuff just starts just pushing

1427
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:37,799
Speaker 3: the scent more and more and more to that spot,

1428
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:41,600
Speaker 3: which makes it more and more powerful. You want to

1429
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 3: see the ultimate example of concentration ofcents, put up a

1430
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 3: tree coy in the middle of a pasture in Kansas

1431
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 3: or grass fields out in western Kansas. I mean we

1432
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 3: put out, you know, tree coys and stuff out there,

1433
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:58,799
Speaker 3: and then you put a feeder near it and getting

1434
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 3: more scent. The first year, I thought there was some

1435
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 3: of our tree coys that weren't gonna survive. I mean

1436
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:08,800
Speaker 3: they were down to like a one inch it was crazy.

1437
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:12,720
Speaker 3: And these deer would come from I mean like I

1438
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 3: had pictures, you know, I'd have like a water tank

1439
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 3: and a feeder and a tree coin in the rut.

1440
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 3: These deer would come out there in the middle of

1441
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:20,799
Speaker 3: the all times a day in the rut. They wouldn't

1442
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 3: touch the feeder or the water tank. They'd come straight

1443
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 3: to that, straight, hit it, and begone. So I truly

1444
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 3: feel like you could just stick poles in the ground

1445
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:31,919
Speaker 3: out in some of this big open stuff in Kansas

1446
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 3: and smoke giants out there. It's hilarious. But you know,

1447
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:37,840
Speaker 3: they're just communicating. And if you think like a deer

1448
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 3: spends a lot of his time walking around at night

1449
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 3: and he's walking. He lives with his nose and he's

1450
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 3: walking around the woods. And October is generally when they're

1451
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 3: doing the most scraping, because you're thinking, like a deer

1452
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:54,640
Speaker 3: in their territorial and whatever. They're trying to flex and

1453
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 3: you're you walk through a pinch at night and you

1454
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 3: get hit in face with all this scent. You know

1455
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 3: you're gonna get ramming and you're gonna want to say,

1456
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 3: this is my this is my house. And so that's

1457
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 3: why that sign blows up. So we're all the time,

1458
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 3: me and told Me and stuff walking around the woods,

1459
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 3: and we're like concentration ascent. It's always, you know, I

1460
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:24,920
Speaker 3: had a classic example of concentration ascent a few weeks ago.

1461
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 3: I was up in Wisconsin walking around a farm. Maybe

1462
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 3: we'll post a little real on that, but it was

1463
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 3: like a pinch between an inside corner of a field

1464
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:34,799
Speaker 3: and a neighborhood and there was just all these giant

1465
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 3: old drugs from the past. It's pretty funny.

1466
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 2: So those are the kinds of places that you would

1467
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 2: prioritize for cameras, probably too.

1468
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:47,080
Speaker 3: Definitely the types of places that you try and build

1469
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:50,960
Speaker 3: mock scrape setups. But yes, cameras because they are generally

1470
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 3: gonna be a ton of sign there, you know. So

1471
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 3: as far as hunting strategy, I'd say, it's not like

1472
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 3: I just hang stand over it because it's a concentration

1473
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:09,640
Speaker 3: of scent. It's just it's a really good It's a

1474
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 3: philosophy that teaches you how to build a spot when

1475
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:18,840
Speaker 3: you're manipulating. Really so, if it's a food plot, you're

1476
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 3: eliminating great branches, you're having two food sources, you might

1477
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:25,600
Speaker 3: pinch them with a bunch of blowdowns. You skid in

1478
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 3: your golf cart like I did the other day, or

1479
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 3: a woven layor fence, or one strand of our lawyer

1480
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 3: or whatever. And it's that philosophy that you're concentrating scent

1481
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 3: and it's becoming more powerful because of it. The other

1482
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 3: way to manipulate, or think of it is if you

1483
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:49,559
Speaker 3: are doing some TSI on a south facing little point,

1484
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 3: you stand there, you let all the light in, You

1485
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:57,040
Speaker 3: blow this little point up, so it's becomes a betting point,

1486
01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 3: a betting knob that a deer has to use. As No,

1487
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 3: because maybe it's the thickest chunk patch of the woods,

1488
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:08,679
Speaker 3: and you have a tree stand that's already pre planned

1489
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:11,639
Speaker 3: on the down side of it, and then you put

1490
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 3: a water hole. I love this tactic. It's just a

1491
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 3: little water hole. He's a pond liner, just a little

1492
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 3: eight foot hole that that is not trying to make

1493
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:28,520
Speaker 3: a primary water source, that is literally trying to concentrate

1494
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 3: scent when he is looking in the rut for a dough. Now,

1495
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 3: not only do you have the downwind of a betting area,

1496
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 3: you also have a little water hole that concentrates scent.

1497
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 3: And then maybe you hang a hamp rope or whatever,

1498
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 3: because there's going to be a concentration of scent there

1499
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 3: because of the water. So it's going to be a

1500
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:54,559
Speaker 3: spot that they want to naturally communicate and scrape. So

1501
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:58,120
Speaker 3: now all of a sudden, you've taken a terrain feature

1502
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 3: that they are naturally betting on, and you've compounded it

1503
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:06,960
Speaker 3: by you thinking like a deer and saying, you know,

1504
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 3: now we've got a concentration of a major concentration ascent

1505
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:13,600
Speaker 3: right here, and they're going to go to that to

1506
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:19,280
Speaker 3: try and find Mahada in the rut. So all last

1507
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 3: year Bundy killed at one to eighty on it on

1508
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 3: exact set up down wind, south facing slope, saddle up

1509
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 3: and over funnel, a natural deer trail. After we logged that,

1510
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 3: I opened back up to make sure it was still

1511
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 3: path of least resistance water hole, and that deer was

1512
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 3: there a few times in the summer, never there up

1513
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:43,200
Speaker 3: until that point, and just trusted the process. It's within

1514
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 3: his home range, and when he stretches his legs, he's

1515
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 3: going to know there's a concentration ascent here. It's downwind

1516
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:51,720
Speaker 3: of a south facing slope, it's a funnel. He's going

1517
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 3: to be here. My cousin came out and sat on

1518
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 3: the sidelines for the first two days because it was warm,

1519
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:00,599
Speaker 3: and went in there the third day. Hardly saw anything

1520
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 3: at two thirty in afternoon, first time in daylight the

1521
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 3: whole year, the whole twenty twenty three walk right down

1522
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 3: the trail smoked him. So we've got to kind of

1523
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:14,040
Speaker 3: trust the process and think like a deer. And he

1524
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:16,400
Speaker 3: knows that area, he's shown that he knows it, he'll

1525
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 3: be there.

1526
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:20,600
Speaker 2: And I guess it's not too different than when we

1527
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 2: just talked about a second ago, where you're trying to

1528
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:26,080
Speaker 2: layer like feature upon feature upon feature. It's the same

1529
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:29,880
Speaker 2: thing because where there's concentrations of scent, either you create

1530
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:32,759
Speaker 2: them like you just describe, or in the natural world,

1531
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 2: the place where the concentration of scent typically exists is

1532
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 2: where multiple natural features come together, which is what pinches

1533
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:43,720
Speaker 2: or funnels deer into a concentrated area, which leads to

1534
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 2: the concentration of sense. I suppose we're almost talking about

1535
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 2: the same thing here, Yeah, deer.

1536
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:51,519
Speaker 3: It's just kind of an interesting thing to follow from

1537
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 3: now on. When you're out in the woods and you

1538
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 3: see clusters of sign just kind of take a look

1539
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 3: and be like, why is that sign here? Is there

1540
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 3: something that's congregating deer traffic making a concentration ascent and

1541
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 3: you'll see it's You'll be like, light bulb. I mean,

1542
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:11,920
Speaker 3: how it helps you? I guess you know, there's different ways,

1543
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 3: but like I said, it just it kind of helps

1544
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 3: you create spots.

1545
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:19,679
Speaker 2: And you mentioned the hemp scrapes, mock scrapes in general.

1546
01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 2: I know, you know in places that you're able to

1547
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:24,680
Speaker 2: set up You've got a really cool treecoise set up

1548
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:26,960
Speaker 2: you guys put out there. But do you have any

1549
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:29,559
Speaker 2: advice for people that are trying to create mock scrapes

1550
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 2: in season with natural you know, trees. You know, in

1551
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 2: what situation, which should someone do that, and and how

1552
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 2: would you best recommend they do that?

1553
01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 3: So, uh, I got that kind of series. I got

1554
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:47,479
Speaker 3: to get back on going with the developed versus undeveloped farm,

1555
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 3: my undeveloped one. Like I there's a cove that I'm

1556
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 3: anticipating if this deer shows up, he's probably gonna be using.

1557
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 3: It's a good setup of the thermals and this and that.

1558
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:02,000
Speaker 3: I just I clipped all the branches down that had

1559
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 3: scrapes in the past, and I hung a hemp rope

1560
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:08,519
Speaker 3: on one that's within bow range. So and I did

1561
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 3: that to this other big deer of trying to help

1562
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:13,320
Speaker 3: my buddy skill over here. When I was back there,

1563
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 3: I went around the edge and I took them all

1564
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:17,679
Speaker 3: I had. I had a whole ranger full of scrape

1565
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:20,840
Speaker 3: branches or potential scrape. And some people go going, my god,

1566
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 3: you're doing that. There's a two hundred steer in there.

1567
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:28,360
Speaker 3: Well pieces the deer and by taking those other branches

1568
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 3: when he comes out, you know, he might come out

1569
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:35,600
Speaker 3: nibble bum Russia dough go to the closest scrape and

1570
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 3: leave the field. Well, now there's only one scrape that

1571
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:41,200
Speaker 3: he can do that too, So you know, I'd say

1572
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 3: mock scrapes are good. They're most powerful when they're in

1573
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 3: the area they want to scrape, which is a concentration scent.

1574
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 3: Usually when somebody's like, I put out a mock scrape

1575
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:51,720
Speaker 3: but they haven't hit it, it's because it's in a

1576
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:55,480
Speaker 3: spot it's not really like a concentration scent. And sometimes

1577
01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:59,160
Speaker 3: that concentration ascent is because they have no other options,

1578
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:01,160
Speaker 3: so they're going to go to it and then it's

1579
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:08,400
Speaker 3: going to start fueling itself. So so yeah, they're powerful.

1580
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:12,799
Speaker 3: I like the tactic of taking some of their natural

1581
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 3: ones away.

1582
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 2: So I think this is a good place to kind

1583
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 2: of tie a bow on things because we've I feel

1584
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:31,559
Speaker 2: like we've got a pretty good idea of how you're

1585
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 2: looking at choosing these locations that are the best of

1586
01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:36,759
Speaker 2: the best places. We're looking for those concentrations of sign

1587
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 2: we're looking for multiple features converging to give a deer

1588
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:43,639
Speaker 2: multiple reasons to be there on the right days and times,

1589
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:45,839
Speaker 2: And you have a whole philosophy and how to predict

1590
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 2: when those right days and times are one final question.

1591
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:53,479
Speaker 2: I guess two final questions. Here we have the right

1592
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 2: spot spots. I'm sure we have an idea when the

1593
01:26:57,240 --> 01:27:03,839
Speaker 2: right times are. But I am curious about your approach

1594
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:07,600
Speaker 2: to like volume of how often you would hunt a

1595
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 2: spot like this, because let's say, like everything's lined up

1596
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:16,720
Speaker 2: magic X, past history, mindset, everything's green light, and you

1597
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:19,519
Speaker 2: have this spot. Let's let's take let's take the example

1598
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:23,080
Speaker 2: you subscribed this undeveloped lease. You've got. There's a cove

1599
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:25,040
Speaker 2: in the back where you've got these really cool different

1600
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 2: features all coming together, kind of a inside corner, dropping off,

1601
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 2: betting off this point. You've got kind of pins, You've

1602
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 2: got a logging road the deer should use. There's all

1603
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:37,000
Speaker 2: these reasons for a deer. Hell yeah, I might sneak

1604
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:39,519
Speaker 2: over there and sit it myself. Bobby watched out. It's

1605
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 2: a good looking spot. So everything lines up and you

1606
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:48,040
Speaker 2: hunt it day one. Let's say he doesn't show. So

1607
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 2: then my question is do you hunt a day two?

1608
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:52,439
Speaker 2: Do you hunt a day three? Do you what kind

1609
01:27:52,479 --> 01:27:55,840
Speaker 2: of volume will you apply to these kinds of locations

1610
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:58,320
Speaker 2: where you really believe in the spot, and you really

1611
01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 2: believe in the conditions, but he just hasn't shown how

1612
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:02,760
Speaker 2: much is too much? How do you know?

1613
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:07,679
Speaker 3: I think that's somewhat situational. Obviously depends on your egress

1614
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:14,160
Speaker 3: most importantly, man, If you and again those gifted knights

1615
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:16,719
Speaker 3: are kind of far and few in between, Like within

1616
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 3: a front, you're gonna have the best night, the best

1617
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:25,600
Speaker 3: sit So if it's a very unsafe place to go

1618
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:30,760
Speaker 3: into and you're busting deer, like you're gonna know when

1619
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:32,960
Speaker 3: you leave there, like you're gonna have the gut feeling like,

1620
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:36,240
Speaker 3: oh God, the whole place is blown up when you

1621
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:39,080
Speaker 3: leave or you get slipped out of there, and you

1622
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:42,439
Speaker 3: can kind of feel if the type of pressure or

1623
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:45,800
Speaker 3: damage is he continuing to hit the scrapes at night,

1624
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 3: like I think you can kind of get The only

1625
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:50,840
Speaker 3: way to answer that is you've got to kind of

1626
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:56,519
Speaker 3: be self aware of if you think you're impacting the farm,

1627
01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 3: if he's like all of a sudden not doing the

1628
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 3: same stuff on on camera, you know, and take it

1629
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:10,879
Speaker 3: by case for a case. But in October, those good nights,

1630
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:14,639
Speaker 3: it's not you have to also be self aware enough

1631
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 3: to be like, it's not worth going back there tonight,

1632
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:21,799
Speaker 3: Like those high pressure fronts are such high odd sets

1633
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 3: that if it's a risky business area to go back into,

1634
01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 3: like you don't need to be going back there, you know,

1635
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:32,639
Speaker 3: like that little spot I was talking about the other day,

1636
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 3: and the real the type of spot I'd hunt in

1637
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 3: October in a stand, Like that type of spot. You

1638
01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 3: could hunt that like every night. I mean, that's what

1639
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:47,240
Speaker 3: makes that spot so magical because you can get out

1640
01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 3: of there. The crazy thing is last year I actually

1641
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:53,080
Speaker 3: shot the deer a shot last year in that spot,

1642
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:55,639
Speaker 3: but I was in a box and I had hung

1643
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:57,559
Speaker 3: this I had blocked the deer off. I hoped I

1644
01:29:57,600 --> 01:30:00,280
Speaker 3: got them not doing a certain thing, int starting to

1645
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:02,320
Speaker 3: do a certain thing, and I hung a stand and

1646
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:04,439
Speaker 3: I got feeling was that that stand was going to

1647
01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 3: be wonky because of the winds, and it was so

1648
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:10,200
Speaker 3: then I brought a box in there to help mitigate that,

1649
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:14,439
Speaker 3: and I ended up killing that deer. But then this

1650
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:19,080
Speaker 3: year we got permission to hunt on the neighbors like

1651
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:23,240
Speaker 3: tree line, and then once I could move the stand

1652
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:28,560
Speaker 3: a matter of thirty yards, it totally changed my egress,

1653
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:31,960
Speaker 3: my ingress. I wasn't leaving scent anywhere. Now all of

1654
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:34,000
Speaker 3: a sudden instead of being thirty yards there and the

1655
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:38,880
Speaker 3: air slowly finding its way into the little green plot

1656
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:41,120
Speaker 3: and then there's a fence and then a beanfield into

1657
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:43,840
Speaker 3: the corner of a beanfield. Now instead of that air

1658
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:47,759
Speaker 3: falling towards this big sexy bedding area that we created,

1659
01:30:48,479 --> 01:30:51,040
Speaker 3: now I'm thirty yards this way and that air. You know,

1660
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:56,160
Speaker 3: picture somebody pouring a thing of water onto the topo

1661
01:30:56,360 --> 01:30:58,840
Speaker 3: or the earth, and where that water is going to

1662
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:00,960
Speaker 3: go and slow mow, and that's where the air is

1663
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 3: probably going to go. And just by moving thirty yards,

1664
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:06,840
Speaker 3: I feel like that air now is going to just

1665
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:10,439
Speaker 3: settle behind and then go around the corner to meet

1666
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:14,000
Speaker 3: up with the other air. So it went from a

1667
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 3: situation where you know, probably need to be hunting the

1668
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:20,679
Speaker 3: right nights, definitely need to be using a sent free blind,

1669
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 3: to all of a sudden, get hunt pretty much every

1670
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:27,040
Speaker 3: night that there's a good chance of seeing him. So

1671
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:32,879
Speaker 3: it's situational. I wish I had all the answers.

1672
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:36,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, do we all, But that's there are.

1673
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:39,400
Speaker 3: No right and wrong answers. It's kind of like, you know,

1674
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 3: we got all these strategies and they all work, just

1675
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:46,400
Speaker 3: not all the time. It's pretty funny. So this is

1676
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:49,400
Speaker 3: a crazy concept. I have a friend named Jeremy Newsom.

1677
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:51,880
Speaker 3: He's like, he's one of the best stock traders in

1678
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:53,719
Speaker 3: the world. He has a company called Real Life Trading

1679
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:58,880
Speaker 3: and it's an education stock company. And he always says,

1680
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:02,519
Speaker 3: you know, there's all all these strategies. I truly feel

1681
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:06,320
Speaker 3: like there's no activity closer to the mental game of

1682
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:10,720
Speaker 3: deer hunting than stock trading and the like. There's all

1683
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:14,160
Speaker 3: these strategies. They all work, just not all the time.

1684
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:18,760
Speaker 3: And you know, the market rewards the specialists and the

1685
01:32:18,760 --> 01:32:22,559
Speaker 3: people that are attentive to detail and the people who

1686
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:26,160
Speaker 3: are patient and wait on the trade to come to

1687
01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:30,000
Speaker 3: them and not get rammy and not. It's the same

1688
01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 3: thing in deer hunting, the people who wait and are

1689
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:39,200
Speaker 3: patient and are analytical. You can backtrade the stock market

1690
01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:42,759
Speaker 3: to learn charts, just like you can backtrade the deer

1691
01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:46,400
Speaker 3: hunting history. You know, it's it's a wild thing. And

1692
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:50,240
Speaker 3: if you really want to have your mind blown, maybe

1693
01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:52,080
Speaker 3: I'll grab a chart and I'll send it to you. You

1694
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:57,240
Speaker 3: can post overlaying moon phase with the stock market. That

1695
01:32:57,280 --> 01:32:58,160
Speaker 3: will blow your mind.

1696
01:32:58,720 --> 01:32:59,040
Speaker 2: Really.

1697
01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:02,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, So anyway, it's just kind of an analogy, you know,

1698
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:06,920
Speaker 3: to it's so the whole thing is so mental, you know,

1699
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:11,200
Speaker 3: and it's so strategic, and everything works just not all

1700
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:14,920
Speaker 3: the time, and it's just being aware and situational different

1701
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:19,839
Speaker 3: situations and making very good educated guesses and not doing

1702
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 3: crazy things that are not within the plan, you know,

1703
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:25,960
Speaker 3: Like him with the sock market, he teaches people to

1704
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:28,920
Speaker 3: have a plan, like a literally a written plan, And

1705
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:30,800
Speaker 3: I kind of with my deer hunting, I kind of

1706
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:34,760
Speaker 3: have a regimented thing that I follow, not that it's

1707
01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:37,640
Speaker 3: that tight. It just helps you to stay organized and

1708
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:41,840
Speaker 3: focused and have a plan so you don't get too

1709
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:44,720
Speaker 3: in the moment and you know, you continue to think

1710
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:45,240
Speaker 3: like a deer.

1711
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:50,479
Speaker 2: So so you have a plan, it's it's a starting point,

1712
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:53,320
Speaker 2: it's a foundation, and then you'll be flexible the season

1713
01:33:53,320 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 2: goes on. But if I forced you to call your

1714
01:33:56,360 --> 01:33:59,360
Speaker 2: shot based on your plan and what you anticipate and

1715
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:01,120
Speaker 2: what you know, will you have set up this year?

1716
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:03,600
Speaker 2: If I forced you to call your shot and to

1717
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:09,600
Speaker 2: predict and describe how, when and where you're going to

1718
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:14,720
Speaker 2: kill a target buck this year in Illinois, tell me that,

1719
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:16,400
Speaker 2: tell me how you think it's going to play out.

1720
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:18,519
Speaker 2: If you had to predict how it might happen and

1721
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:20,720
Speaker 2: where what do you think is your best chance?

1722
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:27,240
Speaker 3: So on that developed farm in that series, I'd say

1723
01:34:27,720 --> 01:34:33,400
Speaker 3: maybe this afternoon I might go mow corn, and I

1724
01:34:33,479 --> 01:34:36,639
Speaker 3: think that at a certain point a certain deer might

1725
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:39,880
Speaker 3: lock on to that corn, and then within the first

1726
01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:44,840
Speaker 3: couple high pressure fronts, probably make a mistake. If it

1727
01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:48,600
Speaker 3: happens on my lease in that video, that deer that

1728
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 3: I'm kind of waiting on up there has not showed

1729
01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:54,200
Speaker 3: up yet. Talking about history, I don't even remember that

1730
01:34:54,240 --> 01:34:56,880
Speaker 3: I had cameras out early enough last year for some

1731
01:34:56,960 --> 01:34:59,600
Speaker 3: reason to know like where he was this year. But

1732
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:01,360
Speaker 3: if he's shows up, I think he's going to be

1733
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:05,599
Speaker 3: a giant, And I personally think it's gonna happen in

1734
01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:09,000
Speaker 3: one of the first several one of the first several

1735
01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:12,840
Speaker 3: high pressure fronts that he shows up. It's gonna happen

1736
01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:15,120
Speaker 3: in that code where I eliminated the branches and put

1737
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:19,439
Speaker 3: that straight branch, I overseated the beanfield, so I have

1738
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:22,280
Speaker 3: all these little food plots that are just hand broadcasted

1739
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:24,519
Speaker 3: within the beans because that's all I can do. So

1740
01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:30,519
Speaker 3: that deer would probably show up and be hitting that

1741
01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:33,880
Speaker 3: scrape in that corner. And if he shows up later,

1742
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:35,599
Speaker 3: because I don't know when he would show up. If

1743
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:38,320
Speaker 3: he shows up, it's probably going to be right across

1744
01:35:38,360 --> 01:35:41,880
Speaker 3: from that cove in that in that great big tree,

1745
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:45,320
Speaker 3: on that sweet little inside corner. If he shows up

1746
01:35:45,320 --> 01:35:46,680
Speaker 3: a little later and I got to get into hunt

1747
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:49,920
Speaker 3: in November, I will hunt that spot over and over

1748
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:52,800
Speaker 3: and over again, every single sit. I won't move as

1749
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:55,800
Speaker 3: long as the wind is good, and he will come

1750
01:35:55,800 --> 01:35:58,240
Speaker 3: through there eventually, and it's probably one of the deals

1751
01:35:58,240 --> 01:36:00,000
Speaker 3: because it's two hours from my house. I'll drive up

1752
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:03,160
Speaker 3: there eight thirty, I'll eat bike, drop my bike twenty

1753
01:36:03,200 --> 01:36:04,840
Speaker 3: yards in the tree, I'll get in and I'll sit

1754
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:06,000
Speaker 3: there all day and then i'll get out.

1755
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:08,200
Speaker 2: All right.

1756
01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:12,479
Speaker 3: So I wish I had a deer like just you know,

1757
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:15,240
Speaker 3: pegged right now, and then I could I could call

1758
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:17,240
Speaker 3: the shot because I'd be a lot easier. But I'm

1759
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:19,960
Speaker 3: kind of still in the waiting phase here here. How

1760
01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:22,200
Speaker 3: about this is you are your friends gonna kill that

1761
01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:25,760
Speaker 3: two hundred boy? I wish we were like, Oh, I

1762
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:28,960
Speaker 3: wish we were like a couple of days further along here,

1763
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:33,439
Speaker 3: because I feel like I feel like i'd like to

1764
01:36:33,479 --> 01:36:35,719
Speaker 3: think that the watering day was not all for nothing.

1765
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:38,920
Speaker 3: I think I got it to germinate a week sooner

1766
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:41,519
Speaker 3: than it would have, which puts the growth a week ahead,

1767
01:36:41,800 --> 01:36:46,120
Speaker 3: which could make the difference in that small phase in

1768
01:36:46,160 --> 01:36:48,280
Speaker 3: the beginning of the year with the green beans and

1769
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:51,840
Speaker 3: this and that. I think that I can't see him

1770
01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:54,799
Speaker 3: not I mean, he's large.

1771
01:36:56,240 --> 01:36:59,920
Speaker 2: Well I can't wait to see I'm sure. Well, maybe

1772
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:03,000
Speaker 2: maybe you'll be sharing with folks the story if it happens,

1773
01:37:03,120 --> 01:37:05,960
Speaker 2: so hopefully, hopefully we'll get to find out ourselves too.

1774
01:37:06,439 --> 01:37:08,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've done documenting it so sweet.

1775
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:11,080
Speaker 2: So that's a perfect way to end this though, for

1776
01:37:11,160 --> 01:37:13,760
Speaker 2: people that want to see that story whenever it comes out,

1777
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:16,120
Speaker 2: For people that want to see some of these farms

1778
01:37:16,120 --> 01:37:18,680
Speaker 2: you've been talking about, You've got great videos about it.

1779
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:21,840
Speaker 2: Can you fill folks in on where they can connect

1780
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:24,479
Speaker 2: with you guys where the videos are. You've got a

1781
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:27,160
Speaker 2: new project launching soon. Maybe tell people about that too.

1782
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:31,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we have a YouTube channel. We're trying to

1783
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:35,479
Speaker 3: keep it very organically educational. I mean you just go

1784
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:38,000
Speaker 3: in there and watch stuff and take bits and pieces.

1785
01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:40,200
Speaker 3: We buy and develop a lot of farms and we

1786
01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:42,240
Speaker 3: offer them for sale. We have a pre market list

1787
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:45,559
Speaker 3: where people can get on there and see these farms.

1788
01:37:45,960 --> 01:37:48,040
Speaker 3: They don't generally hit the market, but they can see them.

1789
01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:51,120
Speaker 3: On the front end. We can design with people to

1790
01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:57,799
Speaker 3: tailor their you know, hunting style and stuff. That's our mainstay.

1791
01:37:57,800 --> 01:38:00,559
Speaker 3: We have a logging division where we log for people

1792
01:38:01,040 --> 01:38:03,680
Speaker 3: heavily weighted on deer strategy and stuff. We have a

1793
01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:06,559
Speaker 3: consulting division where we help people set their farms up.

1794
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:10,439
Speaker 3: We have Facebook and Instagram. It's kind of funny, like

1795
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:12,799
Speaker 3: a lot of people build these YouTube channels and stuff.

1796
01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:18,160
Speaker 3: They build them, you know, and and and then they

1797
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:20,880
Speaker 3: try and figure out what they're going to do with it.

1798
01:38:20,920 --> 01:38:24,719
Speaker 3: Whereas like me and Toby had our heads so focused

1799
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:28,200
Speaker 3: on buying and developing property for so long, and we

1800
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:31,479
Speaker 3: kind of stepped away from the hunting industry, like back

1801
01:38:31,479 --> 01:38:33,600
Speaker 3: when the outfitting days and stuff, and then all of

1802
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:35,880
Speaker 3: a sudden, we're like, oh wow, people like watch our

1803
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:38,639
Speaker 3: stuff on YouTube. It's kind of weird. So now we're

1804
01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:40,680
Speaker 3: kind of doing it in the reverse order. Now we're

1805
01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:44,560
Speaker 3: trying to start working on the social media, and we

1806
01:38:44,720 --> 01:38:47,720
Speaker 3: kind of accidentally got where we were now, so now

1807
01:38:47,720 --> 01:38:49,599
Speaker 3: we're starting to work on that So the project he's

1808
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:52,320
Speaker 3: talking about that I'm excited about launching is we are

1809
01:38:52,439 --> 01:38:58,120
Speaker 3: starting a Discord server. So Discord is an app. It

1810
01:38:58,160 --> 01:39:02,200
Speaker 3: was actually originally made for the gaming community, and it's

1811
01:39:02,200 --> 01:39:05,240
Speaker 3: like the most genius thing ever. So my vision of

1812
01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:07,880
Speaker 3: the Whitetail group was always like, it's a group of

1813
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:10,880
Speaker 3: all of you guys and us helping each other and

1814
01:39:10,920 --> 01:39:13,120
Speaker 3: working together, and that's why I named it the group.

1815
01:39:13,640 --> 01:39:16,519
Speaker 3: But it's also the group of people, like professionals on

1816
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:20,000
Speaker 3: the back end that provide value and in our situation,

1817
01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:22,960
Speaker 3: it's not just like your hunting strategy because we're so

1818
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:27,519
Speaker 3: heavily involved in real estate. It's it's you know, in

1819
01:39:27,680 --> 01:39:31,439
Speaker 3: markets and stuff, so it's it's there's there's professionals on

1820
01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:33,160
Speaker 3: the back end. So that's also like a play on

1821
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:36,680
Speaker 3: the world word of group. So the Discord app, I

1822
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:38,519
Speaker 3: don't know if you can see this, but it's literally

1823
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:41,840
Speaker 3: an app you download and it's kind of like a

1824
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:46,320
Speaker 3: private forum, you know, and there's general conversations. There's an

1825
01:39:46,439 --> 01:39:50,559
Speaker 3: archery there's an archery chat channel where people can help

1826
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:54,320
Speaker 3: each other with all things archery. There's a there's two

1827
01:39:54,439 --> 01:39:57,040
Speaker 3: video conference rooms in the general area. One is an

1828
01:39:57,160 --> 01:40:00,479
Speaker 3: archery shop where you can literally somebody can go in

1829
01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:04,080
Speaker 3: there and get on a video conference instantly and help

1830
01:40:04,120 --> 01:40:07,200
Speaker 3: each other set your bows up or you know, work

1831
01:40:07,200 --> 01:40:09,479
Speaker 3: on your shooting form. There's a follow my Blood Trail,

1832
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:12,320
Speaker 3: like somebody might be on a blood trail and they

1833
01:40:12,600 --> 01:40:15,080
Speaker 3: aren't super experienced and they watch some guys that are

1834
01:40:15,160 --> 01:40:19,479
Speaker 3: more experienced, and fifteen people instantly can be in there

1835
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:22,400
Speaker 3: like helping you look at the blood and figure out

1836
01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:26,800
Speaker 3: its instant video conference and helping you make decisions. Or

1837
01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:29,320
Speaker 3: you can just take people on your blood trail virtually live.

1838
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:32,519
Speaker 3: And then you know, there's all kinds of stuff in here.

1839
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:38,160
Speaker 3: There's there's our farms pre market, you know, and fully developed.

1840
01:40:38,160 --> 01:40:42,080
Speaker 3: There's a whole section of how to videos like planting Braskas,

1841
01:40:42,120 --> 01:40:45,680
Speaker 3: planning that you know this and that, and each one

1842
01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:48,800
Speaker 3: is like a quick start guide, uh, just organized in

1843
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:51,479
Speaker 3: one place. How to process dear, how to set up

1844
01:40:51,479 --> 01:40:53,880
Speaker 3: a weather apple hanging in a tree stand. Then there's

1845
01:40:53,880 --> 01:40:58,200
Speaker 3: a section called market analysis, which is really cool, like

1846
01:40:58,320 --> 01:41:00,760
Speaker 3: for example, like commodities. So I have a friend who's

1847
01:41:00,760 --> 01:41:04,160
Speaker 3: a twenty year corn and bean trader, and he's going

1848
01:41:04,240 --> 01:41:07,840
Speaker 3: to be in here giving real time updates and analysis

1849
01:41:07,880 --> 01:41:10,599
Speaker 3: on the corn and bean markets and teaching people about

1850
01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:15,240
Speaker 3: basis and futures and contracts and how all that works.

1851
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:19,519
Speaker 3: And there's professional contacts for banking and real estate attorneys,

1852
01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:24,240
Speaker 3: insurance surveying, land management services, title companies, farmers by county

1853
01:41:24,280 --> 01:41:28,040
Speaker 3: in different states. There's farms off market, Like I know

1854
01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:30,200
Speaker 3: of farm sometimes that are off market. I don't buy,

1855
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:33,439
Speaker 3: but it's a really good farm, but it's it doesn't

1856
01:41:33,439 --> 01:41:36,160
Speaker 3: fit what I buy. Or there's a listed farm on

1857
01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:37,840
Speaker 3: the market that's been sitting there and I'm like, why

1858
01:41:37,880 --> 01:41:40,080
Speaker 3: is the way buying this? Like this is I know

1859
01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:43,080
Speaker 3: the neighborhood. I know, Like I knew of a farm

1860
01:41:43,120 --> 01:41:44,600
Speaker 3: a few weeks ago they had a two hundred on

1861
01:41:44,640 --> 01:41:47,759
Speaker 3: it that was for sale. Like so there's special farms

1862
01:41:47,800 --> 01:41:49,720
Speaker 3: that we might throw in there. And then there's going

1863
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:53,200
Speaker 3: to be like there's downloadable farming leases and hunting leases

1864
01:41:53,240 --> 01:41:55,720
Speaker 3: that are blank, Like we've tailored our farming leases over

1865
01:41:55,720 --> 01:41:59,800
Speaker 3: the years, you know, to be hunting friendly and buy

1866
01:41:59,800 --> 01:42:02,280
Speaker 3: your crops back the right way so it's most affordable.

1867
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:05,439
Speaker 3: There's going to be courses in there eventually, like rec

1868
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:08,280
Speaker 3: ground bookkeeping, like how to set my CFO is going

1869
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:11,080
Speaker 3: to do a course on bookkeeping for ret ground and

1870
01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:13,960
Speaker 3: how to set up quick books and categorize everything correctly,

1871
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:16,280
Speaker 3: how to buy your first farm. And this is so

1872
01:42:16,360 --> 01:42:17,920
Speaker 3: easy to like, if somebody is like, you need a

1873
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:20,880
Speaker 3: channel for this boom, we'll have it. If somebody wants

1874
01:42:20,880 --> 01:42:23,200
Speaker 3: a course for this boom, will have it. Some of that,

1875
01:42:23,320 --> 01:42:25,639
Speaker 3: like very little bit of it, but like those courses

1876
01:42:25,720 --> 01:42:28,320
Speaker 3: might be monetized because I got these people's time to

1877
01:42:28,360 --> 01:42:30,679
Speaker 3: build the courses and it's just a one time download

1878
01:42:30,680 --> 01:42:34,600
Speaker 3: to download it. And then the last part like I

1879
01:42:34,680 --> 01:42:37,120
Speaker 3: have this and you know, it's kind of weird to

1880
01:42:37,160 --> 01:42:40,800
Speaker 3: try and promote myself, But there's a Bobby Kendle Deer

1881
01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:47,439
Speaker 3: Season subscription and in the categories of that are and

1882
01:42:47,479 --> 01:42:49,559
Speaker 3: this might be backwards, I don't know how you can

1883
01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:52,799
Speaker 3: see it, but the categories are date based, mindset, moon phase,

1884
01:42:54,760 --> 01:42:59,479
Speaker 3: whether plan your time off by predicting the season. And

1885
01:42:59,479 --> 01:43:02,240
Speaker 3: this is kind kind of like a real time section

1886
01:43:02,640 --> 01:43:05,559
Speaker 3: that somebody can subscribe to and then we can just

1887
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:08,600
Speaker 3: chat throughout the whole deer season, all this stuff we

1888
01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:14,280
Speaker 3: talked about today about you know, thinking and making changes,

1889
01:43:14,840 --> 01:43:18,839
Speaker 3: Like I feel like if I can take somebody along

1890
01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:21,760
Speaker 3: in real time through the deer season and they can

1891
01:43:21,880 --> 01:43:25,320
Speaker 3: ride the deer season together. I think it will help

1892
01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:30,000
Speaker 3: like solidify and it's so it is a community that

1893
01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:33,519
Speaker 3: is moderated. I've got lots of people in there that

1894
01:43:33,560 --> 01:43:36,360
Speaker 3: are you know, I feel like our professionals and stuff

1895
01:43:36,360 --> 01:43:39,559
Speaker 3: that I've met over the years to help with different things.

1896
01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:41,960
Speaker 3: And there's gonna be no drama. There's gonna be no

1897
01:43:42,320 --> 01:43:44,439
Speaker 3: or you're out of there. So it's just gonna be

1898
01:43:44,439 --> 01:43:48,000
Speaker 3: a nice friendly like deer hunting for fraternity, for us

1899
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:51,080
Speaker 3: to all hang out and help on another and grow

1900
01:43:51,160 --> 01:43:53,000
Speaker 3: as hunters and land managers.

1901
01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:55,680
Speaker 2: So how do people get that? Get in that? For

1902
01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:58,800
Speaker 2: the folks who aren't Discord savvy already, can you give

1903
01:43:58,840 --> 01:43:59,960
Speaker 2: us like the how they find that?

1904
01:44:00,439 --> 01:44:03,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so easy. So basically, you'll just go to

1905
01:44:03,920 --> 01:44:06,519
Speaker 3: our website in the whitetail group dot com and right

1906
01:44:06,600 --> 01:44:10,160
Speaker 3: on the homepage, you'll see a Discord icon and you

1907
01:44:10,200 --> 01:44:13,360
Speaker 3: can click that and it'll bring up a link and

1908
01:44:13,400 --> 01:44:15,840
Speaker 3: that link will basically take you right to the app.

1909
01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:18,479
Speaker 3: You'll download the app and it'll ask you to set

1910
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:20,160
Speaker 3: up a user name, and then as soon as you

1911
01:44:20,200 --> 01:44:22,200
Speaker 3: do that, the bot will welcome you into the whitetail

1912
01:44:22,240 --> 01:44:23,320
Speaker 3: group and then you're in there.

1913
01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:26,800
Speaker 2: It's pretty wild, nice and easy.

1914
01:44:26,960 --> 01:44:30,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's super easy. And if anybody like some of

1915
01:44:30,120 --> 01:44:32,840
Speaker 3: the stuff isn't populated yet, but I got to get

1916
01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:36,160
Speaker 3: going at some point at deer season. If anybody has

1917
01:44:36,200 --> 01:44:39,120
Speaker 3: any thoughts or or things they want to add or whatever,

1918
01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:41,880
Speaker 3: I mean, we can add things eventually. Like I want

1919
01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:46,800
Speaker 3: to have a whole section of conversation by region, So

1920
01:44:46,920 --> 01:44:49,800
Speaker 3: like the Adirondacks of New York where I'm from, those

1921
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:51,760
Speaker 3: guys can't relate to a lot of stuff we do,

1922
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:54,040
Speaker 3: but they can relate to each other. And it's all

1923
01:44:54,160 --> 01:44:57,520
Speaker 3: the white tailed group, Like you know, the guys in

1924
01:44:57,520 --> 01:44:59,680
Speaker 3: in Alabama who's rout is lee, I want them to

1925
01:44:59,680 --> 01:45:02,320
Speaker 3: have a place to discuss, and the guys in in

1926
01:45:02,760 --> 01:45:06,240
Speaker 3: you know, northern Michigan, like everybody should have a place

1927
01:45:06,240 --> 01:45:08,960
Speaker 3: in there, and we should have all the common threads.

1928
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:11,599
Speaker 3: But then we should have areas to help each other

1929
01:45:11,880 --> 01:45:14,800
Speaker 3: and everything. So I think it's gonna be really cool.

1930
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Speaker 2: I love it. Well, I'm I'm signed up. I'm on there.

1931
01:45:17,439 --> 01:45:20,840
Speaker 2: I'll be following along and and and shiming in when

1932
01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:23,000
Speaker 2: I can, So I'm looking forward to it as well.

1933
01:45:23,160 --> 01:45:25,800
Speaker 2: And you know, this has been great. I knew it

1934
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:29,720
Speaker 2: would be. I appreciate you sharing all this, Bobby. As

1935
01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:33,200
Speaker 2: I mentioned on the top, I've I uh, your approach

1936
01:45:33,439 --> 01:45:37,400
Speaker 2: resonates with me. I appreciate your analytical take on this

1937
01:45:37,479 --> 01:45:39,960
Speaker 2: stuff and looking forward to putting in an action here

1938
01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:43,800
Speaker 2: pretty soon. Awesome, good luck, Thanks Bobby, you too, and

1939
01:45:43,880 --> 01:45:46,680
Speaker 2: I look forward to hearing about this two hundred that

1940
01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:50,200
Speaker 2: you're living vicariously through and uh and hopefully you're shot

1941
01:45:50,320 --> 01:45:53,080
Speaker 2: coming together on that giant on the undeveloped lease or

1942
01:45:53,240 --> 01:45:54,040
Speaker 2: or somewhere else soon.

1943
01:45:54,160 --> 01:45:57,920
Speaker 3: So that's the thing about it, you know again, And

1944
01:45:57,960 --> 01:46:00,519
Speaker 3: I don't I don't get too. I mean, even if

1945
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:04,160
Speaker 3: the one doesn't show up this season, Hunt, he'll show

1946
01:46:04,240 --> 01:46:06,840
Speaker 3: up next year. It's all probability he'll be there.

1947
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Speaker 2: All right. Well we'll talk about next time.

1948
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Speaker 3: Thanks man.

1949
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Speaker 2: All right, and that's it for me today, folks. Appreciate

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Speaker 2: you all joining. Hope you enjoyed this one. Like I

1951
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Speaker 2: mentioned at the top, make sure you heading over to

1952
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Speaker 2: themeateater dot com or first let dot com to check

1953
01:46:27,720 --> 01:46:32,520
Speaker 2: out all of our Whitetailweek content and the savings. Definitely

1954
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Speaker 2: please go watch those new films on the media or

1955
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Speaker 2: YouTube channel. I'm proud of my return to the back

1956
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Speaker 2: forty and the hunt for the Wide nine. I hope

1957
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Speaker 2: you guys enjoyed this list too, so until next time,

1958
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Speaker 2: appreciate you being here, and stay wired to hunt.