WEBVTT - West contender rankings, LeBron James vs. Donovan Mitchell, Steph Curry's longevity

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<v Speaker 2>All right, welcome to hoopsina I here at the volume

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<v Speaker 2>Heavy Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Hope all of you guys had a great week. Got

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<v Speaker 2>a jam pack show for you guys today. It's Mailbag Today,

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<v Speaker 2>Mailbag Day, and we got so many good questions from

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<v Speaker 2>you guys. A lot of questions surrounding Kevin Durant and

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<v Speaker 2>the Houston Rockets some of their big picture potential this year.

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<v Speaker 2>I really want to do a deep dive into KD

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<v Speaker 2>and the Rockets today. After that, I got a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of really interesting questions surrounding Donovan Mitchell, including a question

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<v Speaker 2>as to whether or not Donovan should be ranked ahead

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<v Speaker 2>of a guy like Lebron. So we're gonna dig into

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<v Speaker 2>that a little bit. There's some big picture stuff with

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<v Speaker 2>like Lebron versus Steph in the recent history versus all time.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got questions surrounding some theoretical Los Angeles Lakers trades,

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<v Speaker 2>specifically in this series questions that are related to the

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<v Speaker 2>player rankings list. I'm gonna try to get to several

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<v Speaker 2>of those in here as well. So you disagree with

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<v Speaker 2>where I have a guy ranked. You think he's too high,

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's too low. Just tell me where you

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<v Speaker 2>think you should be ranked, explain why, give a little

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<v Speaker 2>elevator pitch, and we'll get into those debates in our

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<v Speaker 2>Friday mail bags as well. All right, let's talk some basketball.

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<v Speaker 2>So first question, I have been feeling that the Rockets

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<v Speaker 2>aren't real contenders for an overly simplistic reason. KD is

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<v Speaker 2>too old. When is the last time we saw a

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<v Speaker 2>player as old as KD be the best player on

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<v Speaker 2>a championship team. Lebron in twenty twenty was two years

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<v Speaker 2>younger than KD will be by next year's playoffs. You

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<v Speaker 2>have to go back over forty years to Careem Abdul

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<v Speaker 2>Jabbar in nineteen eighty five to find a guy at

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<v Speaker 2>least as old as KD is now so on a

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<v Speaker 2>championship team, and it's two guys are widely considered to

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<v Speaker 2>be two of the top three players of all time

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<v Speaker 2>in Lebron in Kareem Abdul Jabbar. I just don't see

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<v Speaker 2>KD being that third guy to accomplish this feat. But

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<v Speaker 2>is this too simplistic? Also, you don't have him ranked

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<v Speaker 2>as a top ten player, and it's exceedingly rare to

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<v Speaker 2>win a chip without a top ten player. So this

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<v Speaker 2>is actually a really interesting topic to me as it

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<v Speaker 2>pertains to the age of Kevin Durant. How much can

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<v Speaker 2>he help their offense really and is there any sort

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<v Speaker 2>of precedent for this sort of thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>And I was actually getting in to the Rockets quite

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<v Speaker 2>a bit. I was having dinner over at Adam Mars's

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<v Speaker 2>house the other night. You know, he covers the Nuggets.

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<v Speaker 2>And we just moved up here to Denver, and Adam

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<v Speaker 2>and his wife have been super kind to my wife

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<v Speaker 2>and I helping us feel welcomed as we moved to

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<v Speaker 2>a brand new city. As you can imagine, it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of scary and a little bit lonely at times when

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<v Speaker 2>you uproot your life and you move up to a

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<v Speaker 2>completely different area, right, And Adam's just been Adam and

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<v Speaker 2>his family have just been super kind to us.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was fun.

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<v Speaker 2>We were just sitting out on his patio and looking

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<v Speaker 2>at the Rocky mountains and talking some hoops and we

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<v Speaker 2>were shooting the shit about the Rockets. And one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things that we were getting into is this idea

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<v Speaker 2>of how good can the Rockets get on offense? Really right,

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<v Speaker 2>because if you, on the one hand, if you follow

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<v Speaker 2>a very simple logical pathway, this was an awesome team

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<v Speaker 2>last year.

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<v Speaker 1>And they were awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Because they were incredible on defense, and they used that

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<v Speaker 2>defense to get out and transition to score enough on offense,

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<v Speaker 2>and they did just enough.

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<v Speaker 1>With Alpern Shangun and.

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<v Speaker 2>Fred van Vliet to be able to win basketball games,

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<v Speaker 2>and they lock down the second seed in an incredibly

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<v Speaker 2>tough Western Conference. Their offense was abysmal in the half court.

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<v Speaker 2>They ranked twenty second and half court offense last year

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<v Speaker 2>according to Cleaning the Glass. That's kind of an insane

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<v Speaker 2>stat if you think about it, for a team that

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<v Speaker 2>was a two seed in that crazy Western Conference to

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<v Speaker 2>be twenty second and half court offensive rating again according

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<v Speaker 2>to Cleaning the Glass. So in theory, if you follow

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<v Speaker 2>like a basic logical pathway, you add Kevin Durant to

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<v Speaker 2>that situation, you substantially improve your biggest weakness and you

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<v Speaker 2>become a much better basketball team.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, even if you look at the defense, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of people are rightfully talking about

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<v Speaker 2>how Dylan Brooks is a substantial loss, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>KD is a very good defender. He's different than Dylan.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not a guy that you're gonna put on the

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<v Speaker 2>opposing team's best player all game. But he improves their

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<v Speaker 2>back line defense. He provides a level of length they

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<v Speaker 2>don't really have in their starting lineup, and he can

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<v Speaker 2>switch onto different positions as well, and is actually a

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<v Speaker 2>very good perimeter defender. We were talking about in the

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<v Speaker 2>KD ranking video how good he is defending on an island.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think Houston is going to be an incredible

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<v Speaker 2>defense again. So in theory, Katie makes them so much better,

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<v Speaker 2>right because he addresses that need. But I do think

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<v Speaker 2>it is a bit more complicated than that, for the record,

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<v Speaker 2>for you any further, I still see Houston as a

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<v Speaker 2>top tier contender in the Western Conference. In that group

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<v Speaker 2>of three with Denver and Oklahoma City and Houston, I

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<v Speaker 2>view them firmly in that tier. But the things that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm about to explain are why I view them as

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<v Speaker 2>a clear third place or a third like third most

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<v Speaker 2>likely to actually get out of the conference because of

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<v Speaker 2>the question marks surrounding them. Offense is a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>complicated than defense continuity matters. You have to learn how

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<v Speaker 2>to play together. Denver added some guys, but they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be playing the same style of offense with the

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<v Speaker 2>same core players that they've been playing with for over

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<v Speaker 2>a half decade now. Offense is going to come easy

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<v Speaker 2>for Denver this year. Okloma City's offense has some cracks

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<v Speaker 2>in it, sure, but they're basically running it back again

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<v Speaker 2>with the same dudes play in the same way for

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<v Speaker 2>the third consecutive year. And while I view Kevin Durant

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<v Speaker 2>as one of the better offensive players in the league,

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<v Speaker 2>he's not what I would call a traditional offensive engine,

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<v Speaker 2>a guy whose specialty it is to just make five

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<v Speaker 2>man offense flow and be super easy. He's a scorer.

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<v Speaker 2>He's one of the very best ever. But he's a scorer.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the guy who takes a good offense and makes

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<v Speaker 2>it elite. And it's just about roles, right like that

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<v Speaker 2>there's a certain diminishing return when you have offensive engine types.

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<v Speaker 2>I've talked about this, like if you wanted to theoretically

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<v Speaker 2>pair a Luca with a Chris Paul in his prime,

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<v Speaker 2>or with a you know, with a Nikoli, Right Like,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a diminishing return when you have multiple of those

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<v Speaker 2>offensive engine types. But like a lot of those kinds

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<v Speaker 2>of guys aren't gonna be the elite shot makers. That

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<v Speaker 2>are the types of dudes that lift good offenses into

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<v Speaker 2>elite offenses, Right Like, this is a unique trait that

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Durant has. He made the Golden State Warriors unbeatable

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<v Speaker 2>when he was there because they already had an engine

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<v Speaker 2>in Steah. They were already in a great offense, and

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<v Speaker 2>he took them from being that to being all time great,

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<v Speaker 2>like the possibly the greatest offense of all time. Right

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<v Speaker 2>that that's what Kevin Durant did to that group. So

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<v Speaker 2>like I do think Kevin Durant obviously makes the Rockets

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<v Speaker 2>a better offense, the question is will he be able

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<v Speaker 2>to improve their offense enough? Like this is more complicated

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<v Speaker 2>than just KD graded offense equals Houston graded offense. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>guys like I see similar issues with the Los Angeles Lakers,

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<v Speaker 2>and they have substantially more offensive talent. They're not surrounding,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Luca with a bunch of defensive specialists the

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<v Speaker 2>way that Houston is going to be surrounding Kevin Durant

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<v Speaker 2>with the Lakers have a shit ton of offensive talent,

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<v Speaker 2>and yet they went through extended stretches both in the

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<v Speaker 2>regular season with Luca and in the Timberwolve series last year,

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<v Speaker 2>or they didn't look like a good offense because it

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<v Speaker 2>takes time and effort that continuity builds naturally for you

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<v Speaker 2>to become a good offense even with high level offensive pieces.

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<v Speaker 2>Houston does not have an elite offensive player. Now excuse me,

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<v Speaker 2>an laite offensive roster. They added an elite offensive player.

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<v Speaker 2>They added some shooting, like I think Dorian Pinney Smith

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<v Speaker 2>is gonna help. But it's going to be a process.

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<v Speaker 2>How all of this works out for Houston, how this

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<v Speaker 2>season goes for them will depend on what level they

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<v Speaker 2>can get to on offense. Does he make them a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit better that's not gonna be enough. Does he

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<v Speaker 2>make them a lot better. That's where they could end

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<v Speaker 2>up reaching their ultimate goals and competing for a championship.

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<v Speaker 2>I think a big part of the job is gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be figuring out how to turn the attention that KD

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<v Speaker 2>draws into easy offense for the rest of the guys. Essentially,

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying is having KD function more as an

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<v Speaker 2>offensive engine than as a score all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I think if KD.

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<v Speaker 2>Just plays in the mud, one on one basketball against

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<v Speaker 2>aggressive help, over and over and over again, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that could lead to some disappointing results. But think about

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<v Speaker 2>it from the perspective of opponent game plans, Katie's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>draw a lot of attention. Like if you're coaching against

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<v Speaker 2>the Houston Rockets, says here, what are you gonna do

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<v Speaker 2>from the standpoint of your game plan. You're gonna overplay KD,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're gonna overplay the paint. You're gonna try to

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<v Speaker 2>get the ball out of his hands, and you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>try to concede decent catch and shoot looks to mediocre

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<v Speaker 2>jump shooters. That's what every team is gonna try to do.

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<v Speaker 2>So the key will be taking advantage of Kd's unique

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<v Speaker 2>ability to invert spacing. Kade was the best jump shooter

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<v Speaker 2>in basketball last year. We talked about that in his

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<v Speaker 2>ranking episode. He's gonna come off of wide pin downs

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<v Speaker 2>and he's gonna draw a second player to the level.

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<v Speaker 2>He's gonna come off of ball screens on the ball

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<v Speaker 2>and he's gonna draw two to the ball. And that

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<v Speaker 2>sort of thing, that specific ability to bring multiple defenders

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<v Speaker 2>out to the perimeter, that can be used to turn

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<v Speaker 2>all of that overhelp into dunks not threes.

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<v Speaker 1>If the big man.

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<v Speaker 2>Think of it, just from a very basic basketball geometry,

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Durant comes off of a ball screen, the big

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<v Speaker 2>man shows up at the level, you have two on KD.

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<v Speaker 2>His man rolls out of it. Who's now accountable for

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<v Speaker 2>that man? The lowman. Right, the lowman is typically guarding

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<v Speaker 2>the guy in the weak side corner. He's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be stepping over to guard that role man. Who's the

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<v Speaker 2>next helper in that line? If they on ball, guy's

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<v Speaker 2>on the ball and the screen defender is showing on

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<v Speaker 2>the ball and the lowman is tagging the roller, the

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<v Speaker 2>next guy in the rotation is literally going to be

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<v Speaker 2>the guy up on the wing. It's it's easy to

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<v Speaker 2>get behind that guy. There are dunks to be had there.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what the Golden State Warriors have been doing to

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<v Speaker 2>teams with high steph pick and roll for years and

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<v Speaker 2>years and years, turning that two on the ball sequence

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<v Speaker 2>into dunks. So now just this is where you gotta

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<v Speaker 2>take advantage of a men Thompson's versatility, because now imagine

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's shanng Goon setting the pick and him short

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<v Speaker 2>rolling in a men Thompson working the baseline or a

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<v Speaker 2>mental screening and rolling and Shangun working the baseline. It's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be pivotal that they establish timing. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is what is gonna take time. This is what the

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<v Speaker 2>continuity brings. Through thousands of reps, you can get to

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<v Speaker 2>the point where you have that timing down pat and

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<v Speaker 2>you can try to set up the floor so that

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<v Speaker 2>a men's working the baseline or Shangun's working the baseline,

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<v Speaker 2>and the other is in the short roll spot and

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<v Speaker 2>it's you know, someone like Dorian Phinney Smith on the wing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the kind of option where it's like, Okay, now

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<v Speaker 2>we're using a men not spacing the floor, but as

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<v Speaker 2>a dunker, we're using Shane Gun whoever it is. One

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<v Speaker 2>of them is a dunker and the other as a

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<v Speaker 2>decision maker in the middle of the floor. And the

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<v Speaker 2>only three point shooter you can tilt it to is

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be a you know, a Fred van Vliet or

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<v Speaker 2>a Dorian Phinney Smith. Better options than in the past

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<v Speaker 2>it was Dylan Brooks right Like, it's one of those

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<v Speaker 2>things where that geometry setting up that flow, getting the

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<v Speaker 2>timing down so that they can go bang bang bang,

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<v Speaker 2>dunk bang bang bang, wide open corner three for Dorian

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<v Speaker 2>Phiney Smith. You know, like that sort of that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of sequencing is going to be what breaks this offense

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<v Speaker 2>open into being elite again.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's gonna be.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I've been advocating so much for like a

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<v Speaker 2>substantial increase in Kevin Durant pick and rolls this year.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, Kevin Durant's not necessarily the highest

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<v Speaker 2>level pick and roll player in the world, but that

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<v Speaker 2>allows him to draw his attention further away from the basket.

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<v Speaker 2>In the event that you work more out of KD

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<v Speaker 2>in the high post or in the low posts in

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<v Speaker 2>ISO situations or post ups. In those situations, Kd's going

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<v Speaker 2>to draw the double teams closer to the basket. The

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<v Speaker 2>closer the double team is to the basket, the easier

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<v Speaker 2>it is to force it to become a ree for somebody.

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<v Speaker 2>The more double teams that Kadie draws twenty five feet

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<v Speaker 2>from the basket, the more dunks and layups you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to generate, which obviously are going to suit an athletic

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<v Speaker 2>Houston Rockets team that doesn't necessarily shoot the ball super well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what's going to suit them more so, again, I

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<v Speaker 2>think figuring out that progression, figuring out that timing, making

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<v Speaker 2>sure that your off ball offensive players are playing in

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<v Speaker 2>a spot where they're most comfortable rather than when they're uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>If you screw it up.

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<v Speaker 2>To where men Thompson's catching more in the short corner

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<v Speaker 2>corner wing that's going to lead to lesser returns with

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<v Speaker 2>this particular offense. So yeah, I think the easiest way

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<v Speaker 2>that I could explain it is Houston from a pure

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<v Speaker 2>talent perspective is right up in there with that tier

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<v Speaker 2>Denver and Oklahoma City you're on. But there are clearly

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<v Speaker 2>some bigger question marks for them than there are for

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<v Speaker 2>other teams, lighter range of potential outcomes for them on

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<v Speaker 2>the offensive end of the floor, And where Houston ends

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<v Speaker 2>up this year will come down to how those particular

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<v Speaker 2>question marks pan out. Now to the other two parts

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<v Speaker 2>of your question, though, how does Katie's age factor into

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<v Speaker 2>all of this? It entirely depends on how they play.

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<v Speaker 1>Again. If they play ugly, grind.

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<v Speaker 2>Out basketball, and Katie kind of insists on playing more

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<v Speaker 2>like he did in Phoenix, lower volume pick and roll,

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<v Speaker 2>higher volume mid post, iso base up stuff that's brute

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<v Speaker 2>force basketball, and I could see him wearing down a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit just because they'll need so much of him

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<v Speaker 2>in that spot in order to be successful in offense,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's just a lot. But if they can figure

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<v Speaker 2>out more ways to use the attention he draws to

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<v Speaker 2>initiate offense again, more double teams further from the basket,

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<v Speaker 2>or aggressive shows at the level coverages further from the basket.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where you can find ways to kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>turn the way he's guarded into points rather than forcing

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<v Speaker 2>him to really physically carry that load. And I think,

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<v Speaker 2>I think if they can figure that out, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think his age will be a problem. Why because this

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<v Speaker 2>is a really young and athletic Houston team and they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to anchor him with so much size and athleticism

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, like even when we were talking about

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<v Speaker 2>Katie's rim pressure, Katie's rim pressure is going to factor

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<v Speaker 2>in for me when it comes to you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>player rankings list when we're talking about in a vacuum basketball.

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<v Speaker 2>But this team is going to generate so much rim

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<v Speaker 2>pressure in transition, and a men Thompson through his through

0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:40.040
<v Speaker 2>his ability to you know, just get by people and

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<v Speaker 2>to get aggressively closer to the basket, Alprin Shangun's power game,

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<v Speaker 2>like Newston is going to be fine on the on

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<v Speaker 2>the rim pressure find it's more just like the greasing

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<v Speaker 2>the wheels, creating advantages and making basketball easier for them.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the thing that I think KDE's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to help them with. It's kind of a unique

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<v Speaker 2>fit in that sense. But yeah, like I'm whether or

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<v Speaker 2>not Katie's age role is going to come down in

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<v Speaker 2>large part to how they play. Minutes per game I

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<v Speaker 2>think would also be a factor. Like Houston's an elite defense,

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<v Speaker 2>so they're going to be able to sit him for

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen minutes a game and still give themselves a great

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<v Speaker 2>chance to win.

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<v Speaker 1>That'll help in the regular.

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<v Speaker 2>Season, but especially when they get to the postseason, how

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<v Speaker 2>they play will be a factor because they will have

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<v Speaker 2>to ratchet as minutes up. And lastly, the part about

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<v Speaker 2>KDE ranking eleventh, when typically you need a top ten

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<v Speaker 2>player to win, I just don't think that's necessarily true.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think you need a superstar to win, and

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<v Speaker 2>KD is certainly a superstar. He's just in that second tier.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just in such a deep league now that if

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<v Speaker 2>Kawhi and Joel and Bid are healthy, we got fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>of those guys now. But I think KD is every

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<v Speaker 2>bit as good as everyone else that I have on

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<v Speaker 2>this list up to number five. That's where that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of line of demarcation is so I think KD is

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<v Speaker 2>plenty good enough.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just about what heights the team.

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<v Speaker 2>Can reach collectively, which is going to come in large

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<v Speaker 2>part down to what style do they choose to play

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<v Speaker 2>on offense and how well it all comes together on

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<v Speaker 2>that end of the floor in terms of their continuity

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<v Speaker 2>and how quickly they figure things out. Don't understand next question.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't understand some of your Donovan Mitchell arguments. He played

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<v Speaker 2>four less minutes per game than the year before, four

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<v Speaker 2>and a half minutes less than two years ago. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the main reason his total usage numbers were down. That's

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<v Speaker 2>just an eleven percent decrease in his minutes, and his

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<v Speaker 2>time of possession per game decreased by twenty two percent.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't care about the minutes going down. By

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<v Speaker 2>all indications, even just watching the calves, Donovan Mitchell had

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<v Speaker 2>the ball less. He was clearly in a different role.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't simply just that his minutes were cut down.

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<v Speaker 2>He literally dropped in time of possession by almost a fourth.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a huge change and approach from Donovan Mitchell

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<v Speaker 2>year over year.

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<v Speaker 1>Next question.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm as big of a Lebron fan as anyone, but

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<v Speaker 2>I can't agree with him being higher on the list

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<v Speaker 2>than Donovan Mitchell. You mentioned, Lebron finished sixth and MVP voting,

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<v Speaker 2>while Mitchell finished hot five. Donovan Mitchell led his team

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<v Speaker 2>to the number one seed and statistically the second highest

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<v Speaker 2>rated offense of all time. Additionally, if this list is

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<v Speaker 2>based on the player you want from October to June,

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<v Speaker 2>then health has to matter. Spider played seventy one games

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<v Speaker 2>last season, was healthy going into the playoffs, and average thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems unfair to blame anything on him regarding their

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<v Speaker 2>playoff run last season, seeing as he was without his

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<v Speaker 2>wingman and his secondary playmaker Garland for the entire playoffs,

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<v Speaker 2>and he still had a damn near fifty point game

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<v Speaker 2>and is a notorious playoff riser. Think back to the

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<v Speaker 2>bubble again. I love Lebron, but he hasn't been fully

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<v Speaker 2>healthy going into either of the last two playoffs, and

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<v Speaker 2>you wonder if he can maintain the intensity as a

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<v Speaker 2>primary secondary option for four series. It's tough to bank

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<v Speaker 2>on a fully healthy Lebron season through the playoffs, whereas

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<v Speaker 2>Spider is smacking his prime, So I'm taking him for

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<v Speaker 2>health and availability. Thanks and keep up the great work.

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<v Speaker 2>slash audio. There are a couple things that I disagree

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<v Speaker 2>with for you, like spite of playing seventy one games,

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<v Speaker 2>was a little out of the ordinary. He typically does

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<v Speaker 2>miss significant chunks of the season. That was one of

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<v Speaker 2>the seasons where he played more than usual, and even

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<v Speaker 2>though he averaged high scoring numbers, I didn't think he

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<v Speaker 2>did an amazing job in terms of flow of the game,

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<v Speaker 2>like floor management type stuff like we talked about when

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<v Speaker 2>we were doing the Donovan Mitchell video, and even though

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<v Speaker 2>he put up big scoring numbers the team, even though

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<v Speaker 2>he was surrounded by a lot of shooting and quality

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<v Speaker 2>role men talent, the Cavs did not put up good

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<v Speaker 2>offensive ratings when Donovan Mitchell was in control of the offense. So, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I push back on a couple of those specific things,

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<v Speaker 2>but I want to dive into this because I don't

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<v Speaker 2>see a large gap between the two. Anybody that I

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<v Speaker 2>have ranked five to twelve, I could see a case

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<v Speaker 2>for any player to be ranked above any player, Like

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<v Speaker 2>there's absolutely a case.

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<v Speaker 1>For Donovan Mitchell to be above Lebron.

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<v Speaker 2>It'd be a harder case to make, but you could

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely argue him above a guy like Anthony Edwards. It

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<v Speaker 2>could be like he has more reliable short range scoring,

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<v Speaker 2>He's got like better floater short range jump shooting. He's

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<v Speaker 2>more attentive and disciplined off ball defender. Anthony Edwards makes

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of mistakes on that end of the floor. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>you could make the case. Again, it's not a case

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<v Speaker 2>I would make. I think Aunt is clearly a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit better than Donovan Mitchell. But the point is is

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<v Speaker 2>like anywhere from five to twelve, you could argue anybody

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<v Speaker 2>over anybody, Like, if you're gonna make a case for

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<v Speaker 2>Lebron to be down at twelve, you're going to focus

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<v Speaker 2>on some of the inconsistencies in the regular season with

0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:07.600
<v Speaker 2>his effort or some of the stuff with his age.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you're going to argue him up to five,

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to be like, well, the guy that was

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<v Speaker 2>playing in the first round against Denver two years ago

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<v Speaker 2>looked like a bona fide top tier superstar, and like,

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<v Speaker 2>when you have that, dude, you just give yourself a

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<v Speaker 2>really good chance.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, You're going to make cases either way.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, the case against health or excuse me, the

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<v Speaker 2>case against Lebron is health. As you mentioned, Lebron at

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<v Speaker 2>his top end, the guy we saw in February, he's

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<v Speaker 2>one of the five best players in the world, but

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<v Speaker 2>there's no guarantee that he'll be at that level when

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<v Speaker 2>you get to the playoffs. And you're right, I thought

0:23:40.960 --> 0:23:44.000
<v Speaker 2>that in twenty twenty three when he had the foot injury,

0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:47.359
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't even close. He was like more like a

0:23:47.400 --> 0:23:50.800
<v Speaker 2>third tier superstar because he had this broken foot and

0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:53.439
<v Speaker 2>he could barely move and it was affecting him in

0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:55.720
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of areas of his game. I thought he

0:23:55.920 --> 0:23:57.760
<v Speaker 2>was at that level in twenty twenty four. It was

0:23:57.800 --> 0:24:00.680
<v Speaker 2>sneaky one of his better playoff series, just got nuked

0:24:00.720 --> 0:24:02.639
<v Speaker 2>by a couple of Jamal Murray game winners, but they

0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:05.560
<v Speaker 2>led the majority of the series. He averaged twenty eight points,

0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:09.080
<v Speaker 2>seven rebounds, and nine assists on sixty four percent tru shooting.

0:24:09.359 --> 0:24:12.280
<v Speaker 2>He hit clutch shot after clutch shot after clutch shot.

0:24:12.680 --> 0:24:15.600
<v Speaker 2>It just the Nuggets did more on offense at the

0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:17.320
<v Speaker 2>end of those games. It just wasn't enough to win

0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:19.960
<v Speaker 2>the series. And again, Denver's one of the great teams

0:24:19.960 --> 0:24:22.080
<v Speaker 2>of this era and they're defending champs at that point

0:24:22.119 --> 0:24:26.200
<v Speaker 2>in time, right, and I thought he was fine against Minnesota.

0:24:26.320 --> 0:24:29.560
<v Speaker 2>He was right at that second tier superstar level, certainly

0:24:29.600 --> 0:24:31.600
<v Speaker 2>better than he was in twenty twenty three when they

0:24:31.640 --> 0:24:34.280
<v Speaker 2>made the Western Conference Finals run, but not as good

0:24:34.280 --> 0:24:36.439
<v Speaker 2>as he was in twenty twenty four. So to your point,

0:24:37.000 --> 0:24:38.639
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of like a roll of the dice with

0:24:38.760 --> 0:24:41.840
<v Speaker 2>Lebron as far as which player you're gonna get when

0:24:41.880 --> 0:24:45.320
<v Speaker 2>you get to the postseason. But that's the first point

0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:48.840
<v Speaker 2>that I have to hone in on here. Lebron's floor

0:24:50.080 --> 0:24:53.280
<v Speaker 2>is just so high as a basketball player still to

0:24:53.320 --> 0:24:58.120
<v Speaker 2>this day, Like injured foot Lebron in the Western Conference

0:24:58.200 --> 0:25:01.560
<v Speaker 2>Finals run five points per game on fifty eight percent

0:25:01.560 --> 0:25:04.520
<v Speaker 2>turre shooting. Again, not the thirty points per game on

0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:07.199
<v Speaker 2>fifty seven percent ture shooting that Donovan Mitchell just put up,

0:25:07.800 --> 0:25:10.720
<v Speaker 2>but still really good. Scoring twenty five points per game

0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:13.000
<v Speaker 2>on fifty eight percent your shooting. Go look, just just

0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:16.760
<v Speaker 2>go look at the NBA dot com website, sort by

0:25:16.760 --> 0:25:19.240
<v Speaker 2>points per game and look at how many players were

0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:22.520
<v Speaker 2>averaging that type of scoring on that type of efficiency.

0:25:22.560 --> 0:25:25.919
<v Speaker 2>In this year's postseason run ten rebounds per game and

0:25:26.080 --> 0:25:29.280
<v Speaker 2>seven assists per game. Ten rebounds per game is a

0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:34.120
<v Speaker 2>huge foundational boost to a basketball team. And like say

0:25:34.119 --> 0:25:37.080
<v Speaker 2>what you want to say about Lebron's regular season defensive effort,

0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:40.040
<v Speaker 2>He's still a very good playoff defender to this day,

0:25:41.040 --> 0:25:44.399
<v Speaker 2>while helping to anchor your defensive rebounding while becoming an

0:25:44.440 --> 0:25:46.800
<v Speaker 2>excellent catch and shoot player. Last two playoff runs, he's

0:25:46.840 --> 0:25:48.920
<v Speaker 2>eighteen for thirty seven on catch and shoot jump shots.

0:25:48.920 --> 0:25:51.840
<v Speaker 2>It's forty nine percent. He can still generate offense, not

0:25:51.920 --> 0:25:54.800
<v Speaker 2>at the level that Donovan Mitchell does now, but still

0:25:54.840 --> 0:25:57.320
<v Speaker 2>really good at it because of his playmaking talent and

0:25:57.320 --> 0:26:01.800
<v Speaker 2>his size and strength and like yeah, like Donovan Mitchell

0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:05.160
<v Speaker 2>had a more impressive regular season. He led a kick

0:26:05.200 --> 0:26:08.960
<v Speaker 2>ass Cleveland Cavaliers team to a phenomenal season, but it's

0:26:09.000 --> 0:26:12.000
<v Speaker 2>important to acknowledge that that was an excellent Cavs team.

0:26:12.800 --> 0:26:16.119
<v Speaker 2>Darius Garland's phenomenal ability to just beat people off the

0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:19.440
<v Speaker 2>dribble and slice teams up in the paint made made

0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:22.600
<v Speaker 2>things easier for everybody. Evan Mobley becoming like a legit

0:26:22.720 --> 0:26:26.159
<v Speaker 2>awesome two way player, Jared Allen established himself as one

0:26:26.160 --> 0:26:28.840
<v Speaker 2>of the better regular season centers in the NBA. They're

0:26:29.080 --> 0:26:32.040
<v Speaker 2>insane depth of three and d off ball talent that

0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:36.720
<v Speaker 2>Kobe Altman put together. It was an awesome team. That

0:26:36.840 --> 0:26:40.080
<v Speaker 2>roster actually makes a shit ton of sense for Lebron James.

0:26:40.680 --> 0:26:43.479
<v Speaker 2>A point guard who can break the defense down, elite

0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:46.120
<v Speaker 2>defenders that can shoot, elite defenders in the front line,

0:26:46.119 --> 0:26:48.280
<v Speaker 2>that anchor things that can handle some of the physicality,

0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:51.920
<v Speaker 2>tons of high level off ball role player talent. That's

0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:55.679
<v Speaker 2>literally why this summer, when Lebron and all the rumors

0:26:55.720 --> 0:26:58.639
<v Speaker 2>around the Lakers started popping up, everyone's like hmm, what

0:26:58.720 --> 0:27:00.560
<v Speaker 2>if he went to Cleveland because it just makes so

0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:05.919
<v Speaker 2>much basketball sets And again, like Lebron, even on the

0:27:06.040 --> 0:27:09.080
<v Speaker 2>low end of what you're gonna get in the postseason,

0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:13.320
<v Speaker 2>his floor is just still so high and you might

0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:16.359
<v Speaker 2>just get one of the top six or seven players

0:27:16.400 --> 0:27:18.119
<v Speaker 2>in the league when you get there, which is a

0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:21.280
<v Speaker 2>ceiling that I don't think Donovan Mitchell can reach. So like,

0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:24.760
<v Speaker 2>I just still think Lebron's a better basketball player than

0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:28.359
<v Speaker 2>Donovan Mitchell, even at his old age. And for the record,

0:27:28.400 --> 0:27:31.920
<v Speaker 2>I believe if you swapped him right now, like right now,

0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:35.680
<v Speaker 2>even with the Jankee lineup stuff, you'd have to move

0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:37.800
<v Speaker 2>Strews to the two and play Lebron at the three

0:27:37.880 --> 0:27:40.160
<v Speaker 2>next to Mobley and Allen. It'd be a little bit funky.

0:27:40.720 --> 0:27:45.280
<v Speaker 2>I think that's a better team. Frankly, I'd make that

0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:48.840
<v Speaker 2>team a gigantic favorite to win the Eastern Conference, and

0:27:48.880 --> 0:27:51.200
<v Speaker 2>I'd give them a substantially better chance to win the title.

0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:54.800
<v Speaker 2>I like, I think Lebron is a bit better than Donovan,

0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:58.480
<v Speaker 2>but I also think the fit, the surrounding talent, all

0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:01.600
<v Speaker 2>that shooting a point that can help break the defense down.

0:28:01.680 --> 0:28:06.400
<v Speaker 2>Like I even think just in pure basketball fit that

0:28:06.840 --> 0:28:10.520
<v Speaker 2>matches up better with Lebron in Cleveland than Donovan Mitchell

0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:12.840
<v Speaker 2>does in Cleveland. So yeah, I again, that's just my take.

0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:15.440
<v Speaker 2>You're not wrong for putting Donovan Mitchell above Lebron. Again,

0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:17.800
<v Speaker 2>I think there's a clear case you can make. I

0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:20.760
<v Speaker 2>think it's a defensible position. But I still think Lebron's

0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:22.760
<v Speaker 2>a better basketball player than Donovan Mitchell. By the way,

0:28:23.240 --> 0:28:25.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna be hitting him very soon, so it's not

0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:27.600
<v Speaker 2>like I have him astronomically high. I just have him

0:28:27.600 --> 0:28:29.480
<v Speaker 2>ahead of the guys that I have below him on

0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:34.520
<v Speaker 2>the list right now. Next question, Austin Reeves and Jared

0:28:34.600 --> 0:28:38.280
<v Speaker 2>Vanderbilt for Jaden McDaniels. I see this as a mutually

0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:41.920
<v Speaker 2>beneficial trade for both teams. What are your thoughts. It's

0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:45.480
<v Speaker 2>an interesting trade on the surface, especially when you view

0:28:45.520 --> 0:28:48.320
<v Speaker 2>it through just a short term lens. Right, Like Austin

0:28:48.360 --> 0:28:52.360
<v Speaker 2>Reeves provides secondary ball handling to a Minnesota team that

0:28:52.560 --> 0:28:55.600
<v Speaker 2>desperately needs that kind of like skill guard off of

0:28:55.640 --> 0:29:00.560
<v Speaker 2>Anthony Edwards right, and Jaden McDaniels makes the Lakers Stantiley

0:29:00.600 --> 0:29:04.080
<v Speaker 2>more athletic and gives them that starting caliber small forward

0:29:04.120 --> 0:29:07.480
<v Speaker 2>that they desperately need. But it comes with a fatal

0:29:07.480 --> 0:29:11.000
<v Speaker 2>flaw for both teams. For the Lakers, part of the

0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:14.080
<v Speaker 2>reason why they value Austin Reeves is the proven pathway

0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:17.040
<v Speaker 2>to success with Luka Dancic, which is another kind of

0:29:17.120 --> 0:29:22.240
<v Speaker 2>like pound the ball type of shot creator that can run, spread,

0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:24.760
<v Speaker 2>pick and roll with similar types of players that Luca

0:29:24.840 --> 0:29:28.080
<v Speaker 2>plays with, and just run a reasonable fact simile of

0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:31.200
<v Speaker 2>what Luca does to spell Luca when he's off ball

0:29:31.280 --> 0:29:33.680
<v Speaker 2>and to carry the offense when Luca's off the floor.

0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:38.200
<v Speaker 2>I think the Lakers view Austin Reeves as their Kyrie

0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:42.200
<v Speaker 2>Irving or their Jalen Brunson in terms of being that

0:29:42.240 --> 0:29:45.200
<v Speaker 2>secondary ball And now there's a much more complicated conversation

0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:47.320
<v Speaker 2>we can have about whether or not Austin's capable of that.

0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:51.160
<v Speaker 2>Jalen Brunson is top ten on this list this year,

0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:54.160
<v Speaker 2>and Kyrie Irving is one of the best number twos

0:29:54.200 --> 0:29:56.000
<v Speaker 2>of all time as a guy who's literally won a

0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:58.640
<v Speaker 2>championship in that role. And I don't think anybody's under

0:29:58.640 --> 0:30:03.680
<v Speaker 2>any delusions thinking that Austin Reeves is better than Kyrie Irving,

0:30:03.720 --> 0:30:06.480
<v Speaker 2>and I don't think any of us are thinking that right.

0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:10.520
<v Speaker 2>So there's a complicated conversation you could get into, which

0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:14.200
<v Speaker 2>is like, are the Lakers making the right decision betting

0:30:14.200 --> 0:30:16.840
<v Speaker 2>on Austin Reeves being their number two with Luca?

0:30:16.880 --> 0:30:19.000
<v Speaker 1>But I think that's what they see him as.

0:30:19.160 --> 0:30:22.400
<v Speaker 2>I think that's what they see So I don't think

0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:25.840
<v Speaker 2>they're going to make a move that trades Austin Reeves

0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:29.200
<v Speaker 2>unless they're getting that guy back, the guy who's going

0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:31.959
<v Speaker 2>to be Luca's number two, or unless they have a

0:30:32.080 --> 0:30:35.040
<v Speaker 2>clear plan like, oh, this guy's gonna come sign with

0:30:35.160 --> 0:30:37.240
<v Speaker 2>us or whatever. It might be some sort of intel,

0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:40.880
<v Speaker 2>some sort of plan to replace that guy who's secondary

0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:44.640
<v Speaker 2>off of Luca right when Lebron retires or before. If

0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:46.840
<v Speaker 2>they don't have that, I don't think they're going to

0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:49.680
<v Speaker 2>trade Austin. And then the second piece of it is,

0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:54.880
<v Speaker 2>if you trade Jaden McDaniels, the Timberwolves suddenly have a

0:30:55.000 --> 0:30:58.280
<v Speaker 2>gaping hole at the small at the small forward position.

0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:03.080
<v Speaker 2>Like ar Vanderbilt, you included him in that deal. If

0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:04.920
<v Speaker 2>he started next to Julius Randall, I think that would

0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:07.920
<v Speaker 2>be a spacing disaster, especially with Rudy Gobert on the floor.

0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:11.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't think Terrence Shannon is ready for a starting

0:31:11.720 --> 0:31:14.960
<v Speaker 2>role yet. If you start Dante DiVincenzo, you're gonna start

0:31:15.000 --> 0:31:17.600
<v Speaker 2>having size issues. I just think it would be plugging

0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:20.200
<v Speaker 2>one hole but creating another hole in the process. So

0:31:20.240 --> 0:31:22.560
<v Speaker 2>I just don't think it makes sense there. If the

0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:26.680
<v Speaker 2>Lakers are going to make a move for like an

0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:29.560
<v Speaker 2>elite starting two or three, somebody in the JD McDaniels,

0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:32.760
<v Speaker 2>ilk even like Herb Jones, and they're not gonna move

0:31:32.800 --> 0:31:36.720
<v Speaker 2>on like an Andrew Wiggins something along those lines because

0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:38.959
<v Speaker 2>he's too old. I think they're gonna have to wait

0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:40.920
<v Speaker 2>till the middle of the season. I don't see anything

0:31:40.960 --> 0:31:43.200
<v Speaker 2>that makes sense right now, because again, they have to

0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:46.080
<v Speaker 2>have a plan for a ball handler coming back, or

0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:48.480
<v Speaker 2>they need to be able to get that player without

0:31:48.520 --> 0:31:51.600
<v Speaker 2>including Austin Reeves, which then puts you into a different

0:31:51.640 --> 0:31:54.400
<v Speaker 2>class of player right or at least a player that's

0:31:54.480 --> 0:31:56.920
<v Speaker 2>not yet available that can drive the market price down.

0:31:57.400 --> 0:31:59.640
<v Speaker 2>They're gonna have to wait till something takes shape elsewhere

0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:02.600
<v Speaker 2>around the league, like oh, the Pacers fall out the

0:32:02.640 --> 0:32:05.240
<v Speaker 2>gates and decide they're willing to get rid of an

0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:09.880
<v Speaker 2>Aaron Nee Smith for example, like or like Andrew Nevhart

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:11.640
<v Speaker 2>would be like a pipe dream because he'd be a

0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:13.800
<v Speaker 2>guy that could also be that secondary ball handler off

0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:16.160
<v Speaker 2>of Luca. But like you're if you could get a

0:32:16.200 --> 0:32:18.720
<v Speaker 2>player like that, it's gonna have to materialize at some

0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:20.719
<v Speaker 2>point down the line, because I just don't think it

0:32:20.840 --> 0:32:23.800
<v Speaker 2>exists right this right at this point, and I think

0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:26.320
<v Speaker 2>it's probably more likely because of the Lakers are so

0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:30.320
<v Speaker 2>hesitant to give up draft assets at this point, holding

0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:33.320
<v Speaker 2>out for the superstar that they're gonna pair Luca with.

0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:36.360
<v Speaker 2>I think it's probably more likely that they end up

0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:40.440
<v Speaker 2>getting older options, like someone like a Conavious Callwell Pope

0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:44.200
<v Speaker 2>out of Memphis right like on a buyout, or maybe

0:32:44.360 --> 0:32:48.000
<v Speaker 2>you because CACP has a player option after this coming

0:32:48.040 --> 0:32:50.800
<v Speaker 2>season for over twenty million dollars, So like maybe you

0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:54.640
<v Speaker 2>ship out expirings guys like Gabe Vincent and Max Kliba

0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:57.640
<v Speaker 2>and you just tell Memphis like, we're not giving you

0:32:57.680 --> 0:33:01.280
<v Speaker 2>anything else, but we'll take CASEP and clear your books

0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:05.360
<v Speaker 2>next summer and we'll take ACPs as a starting too.

0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:07.360
<v Speaker 2>That would be the kind of deal that I think

0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:11.160
<v Speaker 2>is more likely for the Lakers than something that's kind

0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:13.800
<v Speaker 2>of splash year and bigger, because I just think that

0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:16.080
<v Speaker 2>they're trying to play the slow game with Luca, which

0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:18.720
<v Speaker 2>I think again the problem with playing the slow game

0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:22.600
<v Speaker 2>with Luca is whatever you anticipate, you can get that

0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:25.480
<v Speaker 2>big carrot that you're thinking about that's going to drive

0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:28.400
<v Speaker 2>all the success in the Luka doncic Era. You got

0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:30.440
<v Speaker 2>to also factor in that you're losing an All NBA

0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:33.240
<v Speaker 2>player like Lebron is probably going to be an All

0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:36.720
<v Speaker 2>NBA player this season, and that might be the last time.

0:33:37.680 --> 0:33:38.880
<v Speaker 1>And whenever Lebron.

0:33:38.640 --> 0:33:41.440
<v Speaker 2>Leaves, whether he gets hurt this year or the like

0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:45.160
<v Speaker 2>gets hurt next year, or just decides to retire at

0:33:45.160 --> 0:33:49.760
<v Speaker 2>some point, whenever Lebron's done, you're removing an All NBA

0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:52.920
<v Speaker 2>player from this roster. And so that's kind of why

0:33:52.960 --> 0:33:56.320
<v Speaker 2>I view the overcautiousness as a little bit of a

0:33:58.520 --> 0:34:00.880
<v Speaker 2>flawed strategy. That's not to say that you need to

0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:02.920
<v Speaker 2>go mortgage your future. As I've said, I don't think

0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:06.680
<v Speaker 2>the Lakers need to go move Austin a first round

0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:09.920
<v Speaker 2>pick and all these swaps and second round draft compensation

0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:14.239
<v Speaker 2>and everything in under the sun to go get a

0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:17.839
<v Speaker 2>thirty year old Andrew Wiggins. I'm not saying that I've

0:34:17.880 --> 0:34:20.560
<v Speaker 2>said on the record, I don't think that the Lakers

0:34:20.760 --> 0:34:23.839
<v Speaker 2>should move on Andrew Wiggins unless they can do it

0:34:23.880 --> 0:34:27.880
<v Speaker 2>without including the first round pick, because I understand their situation.

0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:30.680
<v Speaker 2>I would just include Dalton and maybe a swap and

0:34:30.719 --> 0:34:33.640
<v Speaker 2>a second round pick and see if you can squeeze

0:34:33.680 --> 0:34:37.280
<v Speaker 2>Wiggins out of them, you know, like, because obviously making

0:34:37.320 --> 0:34:39.840
<v Speaker 2>a move for Wiggins is a win now type of

0:34:39.880 --> 0:34:42.440
<v Speaker 2>move that doesn't have as much long term upside.

0:34:42.440 --> 0:34:43.640
<v Speaker 1>But I am.

0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:48.040
<v Speaker 2>Saying that if an elite let's say a Jaden McDaniels,

0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:52.520
<v Speaker 2>for example, comes available, someone of that ilk Herb Jones,

0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:55.719
<v Speaker 2>whoever it might be, and you can get that deal

0:34:55.760 --> 0:34:59.040
<v Speaker 2>done with the first round pick and you keep Austin.

0:34:59.719 --> 0:35:01.879
<v Speaker 2>I the Lakers would hold on to the first round

0:35:01.880 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 2>pick because of their pipe dreams of Giannis, And I'm

0:35:05.239 --> 0:35:08.120
<v Speaker 2>saying I think that a first round pick spent on

0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:12.200
<v Speaker 2>a twenty six year old, legitimate, awesome three and D

0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:17.360
<v Speaker 2>guy at the small forward position would be mutually beneficial

0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:18.920
<v Speaker 2>to this era and the future.

0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:21.400
<v Speaker 1>On the one hand, all of a sudden.

0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:23.960
<v Speaker 2>You've got Lebron and Luca and this kick ass three

0:35:24.000 --> 0:35:26.239
<v Speaker 2>and D player that you can go try to make

0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:29.440
<v Speaker 2>a run with right now. And that guy's an asset.

0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:31.520
<v Speaker 2>He's a three and d player in his twenties. He's

0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:35.280
<v Speaker 2>worth while. He's worth something. So even if you decided

0:35:35.320 --> 0:35:37.720
<v Speaker 2>to go make a move for a superstar down the line,

0:35:37.920 --> 0:35:40.200
<v Speaker 2>he's a guy you can include in a deal like

0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:42.520
<v Speaker 2>that that the other team is going to be like, well,

0:35:42.840 --> 0:35:46.680
<v Speaker 2>we're getting back a twenty eight year old all defense guy.

0:35:47.280 --> 0:35:49.879
<v Speaker 2>This is something I can sell to my fans, right.

0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:55.360
<v Speaker 2>I think that the asset management piece and the lack

0:35:55.440 --> 0:36:00.560
<v Speaker 2>of valuation from the lakers of super high levels starters

0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:05.719
<v Speaker 2>as opposed to superstar talent. I think that lack of

0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:09.040
<v Speaker 2>value placed on super high level starters is going to

0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:11.280
<v Speaker 2>be a mistake in this Luca era. I think Luca

0:36:11.360 --> 0:36:14.239
<v Speaker 2>is such a unique star. He's such an offense in

0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:17.640
<v Speaker 2>and of himself that he's not as dependent on super

0:36:17.719 --> 0:36:21.279
<v Speaker 2>super high level superstar support. That's why he can make

0:36:21.360 --> 0:36:23.479
<v Speaker 2>get it done with Kyrie Irving or get it done

0:36:23.480 --> 0:36:25.520
<v Speaker 2>with Austin and like or not with Austin a guy

0:36:25.600 --> 0:36:28.680
<v Speaker 2>like Jalen Brunson, right, and by the way, like that

0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:32.240
<v Speaker 2>Celtics team is an all time great. They lost Luca

0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:35.000
<v Speaker 2>personally needed to make some improvements, especially as a defender

0:36:35.000 --> 0:36:38.440
<v Speaker 2>and getting into better shape. There are checkpoints that Luca

0:36:38.560 --> 0:36:41.680
<v Speaker 2>has to hit in order for that build to work

0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:44.879
<v Speaker 2>in order to win a championship. But like, Luca kind

0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:48.160
<v Speaker 2>of grants you the grace of not necessarily needing a

0:36:48.200 --> 0:36:51.879
<v Speaker 2>top tier superstar next to him. Same with Jokic, Right,

0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:55.440
<v Speaker 2>That's how Jokic won the title. He's such an offense

0:36:55.480 --> 0:37:00.239
<v Speaker 2>to himself. He's such an elite, high end engine that

0:37:00.320 --> 0:37:04.920
<v Speaker 2>he can win with really high level starters rather than needing,

0:37:05.560 --> 0:37:08.439
<v Speaker 2>you know, to have Giannis next to him. Right, that's

0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:14.680
<v Speaker 2>the unique thing that these ultra indomitable offensive engines bring

0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:16.760
<v Speaker 2>to the table. And if Luca gets in great shape

0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:18.800
<v Speaker 2>and he doesn't tire out at the end of games,

0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:21.840
<v Speaker 2>and he gets better on defense, I do think he

0:37:21.880 --> 0:37:25.000
<v Speaker 2>can win a title surrounded by super high level starters

0:37:25.200 --> 0:37:28.640
<v Speaker 2>and a legitimate secondary creator the ilk of the Kyrie

0:37:28.719 --> 0:37:34.080
<v Speaker 2>Brunson variety. Right, So, like that to me is the pathway.

0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:35.920
<v Speaker 2>And so I think that's where I just differ with

0:37:35.960 --> 0:37:39.920
<v Speaker 2>the Lakers, and they're kind of big picture like basketball philosophy.

0:37:39.960 --> 0:37:42.120
<v Speaker 2>It's like, I don't think the Lakers have a big

0:37:42.120 --> 0:37:44.600
<v Speaker 2>picture basketball philosophy, or at least if they do, it's

0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:47.719
<v Speaker 2>being drowned out by the superiors. Like I know, there

0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:49.560
<v Speaker 2>are really smart people that work in the Laker front

0:37:49.600 --> 0:37:54.759
<v Speaker 2>office underneath Rob Polinka, and like I just I am

0:37:54.840 --> 0:37:59.680
<v Speaker 2>not sure if the Rob Jeanie, you know, Kurt rambis

0:37:59.760 --> 0:38:03.799
<v Speaker 2>craft out has the appropriate vision for what works in

0:38:03.840 --> 0:38:07.400
<v Speaker 2>the modern him yet even under Luca. And so that's

0:38:07.480 --> 0:38:09.200
<v Speaker 2>what kind of freaks me out a little bit, is

0:38:09.239 --> 0:38:11.600
<v Speaker 2>like I don't I think if you ask them like

0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:17.439
<v Speaker 2>what Herb Jones is worth, they would probably speak more

0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:20.160
<v Speaker 2>like they would not be willing to spend as much

0:38:20.160 --> 0:38:22.200
<v Speaker 2>as some of the smarter teams in the league would

0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:24.399
<v Speaker 2>be willing to spend to get a guy like that,

0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:28.160
<v Speaker 2>when the reality is is alongside Luka Doncic, when he

0:38:28.200 --> 0:38:33.080
<v Speaker 2>would generate Herb a million butt naked corner threes and

0:38:33.160 --> 0:38:36.560
<v Speaker 2>his ability to guard on the perimeter and funnel into

0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:38.520
<v Speaker 2>a rim protector and all those sorts of things that

0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:42.880
<v Speaker 2>Herb Jones can do in the context of Luca, that's

0:38:43.080 --> 0:38:45.799
<v Speaker 2>worth more than even if you picked up Herb and

0:38:45.840 --> 0:38:51.800
<v Speaker 2>put him somewhere else. Like, Luca is such a unique

0:38:51.920 --> 0:38:56.560
<v Speaker 2>player in the way that he drives value for that

0:38:56.719 --> 0:38:58.279
<v Speaker 2>type of role player, And I just hope that the

0:38:58.320 --> 0:39:01.120
<v Speaker 2>Lakers value that sort of thing eventually, Jason, I don't

0:39:01.120 --> 0:39:03.120
<v Speaker 2>know if this mail bag, if this is mail bag,

0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:04.680
<v Speaker 2>but I've watched Curry and Lebron go at it for

0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:06.839
<v Speaker 2>the last five years, and I've noticed that Curry tends

0:39:06.880 --> 0:39:09.719
<v Speaker 2>to outplay him in regard to impact. A lot of

0:39:09.760 --> 0:39:11.480
<v Speaker 2>people don't want to accept it, but I seriously think

0:39:11.520 --> 0:39:14.040
<v Speaker 2>he's been better than Lebron for the last couple of years.

0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:16.080
<v Speaker 2>A lot of general fans point to stats to show

0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:18.239
<v Speaker 2>that it's close, but in my opinion, Curry's impact has

0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:22.239
<v Speaker 2>been great, far greater than Lebron's, and I've noticed that

0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:27.240
<v Speaker 2>Lebron's stats make him often better than he I can't

0:39:27.239 --> 0:39:28.560
<v Speaker 2>this is what must have just been a type of

0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:31.359
<v Speaker 2>it says make him out out to be better than

0:39:31.400 --> 0:39:33.719
<v Speaker 2>he is. In the last three to four years. He

0:39:33.760 --> 0:39:36.920
<v Speaker 2>slacks off a lot on defense, and his points seem

0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:38.879
<v Speaker 2>to be a bit hollow or empty. Don't get me wrong,

0:39:39.760 --> 0:39:42.080
<v Speaker 2>but he's still been a top five player the last

0:39:42.120 --> 0:39:44.000
<v Speaker 2>five seasons. But I could I could definitely be wrong,

0:39:44.000 --> 0:39:46.759
<v Speaker 2>but I was wondering on your thoughts about how about this,

0:39:46.880 --> 0:39:49.840
<v Speaker 2>especially since most NBA fans don't watch games and just

0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:52.239
<v Speaker 2>point to stats to show how close it is. So

0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:55.520
<v Speaker 2>more or less, you're just saying you think Lebron or

0:39:55.560 --> 0:39:58.040
<v Speaker 2>STEP's been better than Lebron for the last couple of years.

0:39:58.120 --> 0:40:00.680
<v Speaker 2>You said far better. I don't think it's far better,

0:40:00.760 --> 0:40:03.359
<v Speaker 2>but I actually agree with you. I think Steph has

0:40:03.360 --> 0:40:06.320
<v Speaker 2>been better than Lebron over the last few years. Lebron

0:40:06.400 --> 0:40:09.759
<v Speaker 2>is super old now and he's just more prone to

0:40:09.800 --> 0:40:11.680
<v Speaker 2>injuries that makes it harder for him to.

0:40:11.680 --> 0:40:12.279
<v Speaker 1>Reach his peak.

0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:15.040
<v Speaker 2>His peak is still every bit as high as everyone

0:40:15.040 --> 0:40:17.240
<v Speaker 2>else in the league. Like again, last year in February,

0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:19.440
<v Speaker 2>there was there wasn't an NBA player playing better than

0:40:19.520 --> 0:40:22.480
<v Speaker 2>Lebron last year in February, but then he got hurt again, right,

0:40:23.080 --> 0:40:24.520
<v Speaker 2>And I mean, you guys are starting to see this,

0:40:24.600 --> 0:40:27.799
<v Speaker 2>you Steph fans, like Steph has been a monster, but

0:40:28.239 --> 0:40:30.840
<v Speaker 2>he just got hurt. He's thirty seven now, Like this

0:40:30.960 --> 0:40:33.200
<v Speaker 2>is kind of what happens when you get into these years.

0:40:33.200 --> 0:40:35.080
<v Speaker 2>And we'll see if that ends up being a fluke.

0:40:35.280 --> 0:40:37.520
<v Speaker 2>And it was just because he had to carry such

0:40:37.560 --> 0:40:40.480
<v Speaker 2>crazy load right in the run up to the playoffs,

0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:43.239
<v Speaker 2>because of their predicament, because they waited so long to

0:40:43.239 --> 0:40:45.160
<v Speaker 2>make a trade. And maybe Steph will be healthy from

0:40:45.200 --> 0:40:45.600
<v Speaker 2>here on out.

0:40:45.600 --> 0:40:46.040
<v Speaker 1>We'll see you.

0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:49.600
<v Speaker 2>But like I do agree that Steph has been better

0:40:49.640 --> 0:40:53.000
<v Speaker 2>in the last few years than Lebron has been. Like

0:40:53.040 --> 0:40:55.879
<v Speaker 2>from i'd say twenty twenty two to twenty twenty four, Yeah,

0:40:55.880 --> 0:40:56.759
<v Speaker 2>that stretch.

0:40:56.400 --> 0:40:58.320
<v Speaker 1>He's been a more reliably great player.

0:41:00.000 --> 0:41:01.879
<v Speaker 2>It's actually why it's so difficult to have these kinds

0:41:01.880 --> 0:41:05.400
<v Speaker 2>of discussions with people. Everyone just focused on the wins

0:41:05.400 --> 0:41:09.320
<v Speaker 2>and losses when basketball is just so much more complicated

0:41:09.320 --> 0:41:14.399
<v Speaker 2>than that. For example, the Lakers led by Lebron, beat

0:41:14.440 --> 0:41:18.239
<v Speaker 2>the Warriors in twenty twenty three led by Steph, but

0:41:18.320 --> 0:41:20.600
<v Speaker 2>I thought Steph was a better player than Lebron in

0:41:20.640 --> 0:41:23.960
<v Speaker 2>that series. Lebron was on a bad foot. He was

0:41:23.960 --> 0:41:27.440
<v Speaker 2>struggling to score effectively. Lebron was great in Game six,

0:41:27.560 --> 0:41:30.560
<v Speaker 2>especially like the Lebron was awesome at times in that series,

0:41:30.560 --> 0:41:32.560
<v Speaker 2>and again in Game six, he was a fucking monster.

0:41:33.000 --> 0:41:36.120
<v Speaker 2>But Steph was the better player in that series. But

0:41:37.000 --> 0:41:42.040
<v Speaker 2>the Lakers were the better team and the better team won. Similarly,

0:41:42.080 --> 0:41:45.600
<v Speaker 2>you'll hear Warriors fans constantly talk about how they went

0:41:45.600 --> 0:41:48.399
<v Speaker 2>three to one against Lebron in the finals. I thought

0:41:48.480 --> 0:41:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Lebron was the best player in all four of those series.

0:41:51.560 --> 0:41:55.200
<v Speaker 2>The Warriors were just obviously. Similarly to the Lakers Warriors

0:41:55.200 --> 0:41:58.280
<v Speaker 2>series in twenty twenty three, the Warriors were just obviously

0:41:58.320 --> 0:42:03.480
<v Speaker 2>better teams. The twenty fifteen Calves were decimated by injuries.

0:42:03.520 --> 0:42:05.799
<v Speaker 2>In that series, Kyrie and Kevin Love out, there was

0:42:05.840 --> 0:42:09.319
<v Speaker 2>a massive talent gap, and then the KD Warriors are

0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:12.840
<v Speaker 2>literally the greatest roster ever assembled in the history of

0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:18.720
<v Speaker 2>the NBA. People were just being dense for whatever reason,

0:42:19.640 --> 0:42:21.600
<v Speaker 2>at least among the Warriors fans that look back on

0:42:21.640 --> 0:42:24.640
<v Speaker 2>that era. I mean, if the Lakers traded for Yannis

0:42:24.760 --> 0:42:30.640
<v Speaker 2>tomorrow and Luca and Yannis knocked Jokic out of the playoffs,

0:42:31.960 --> 0:42:35.240
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't mean that Luca or Janis are better than Jokic.

0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:41.680
<v Speaker 2>That's incredibly stupid logic. But for whatever reason, Warriors fans

0:42:41.719 --> 0:42:46.319
<v Speaker 2>make that very case when arguing Steph over Lebron. When

0:42:46.320 --> 0:42:48.480
<v Speaker 2>the second and third best players in the league at

0:42:48.480 --> 0:42:51.000
<v Speaker 2>the peak of their powers played on the same team,

0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:56.440
<v Speaker 2>they beat Lebron twice. So my take is for the

0:42:56.600 --> 0:43:00.640
<v Speaker 2>entirety of Lebron's prime, Lebron was a better player than Steph,

0:43:01.080 --> 0:43:03.960
<v Speaker 2>but Steph in his late prime has been better than

0:43:04.120 --> 0:43:09.040
<v Speaker 2>thirty eight thirty nine, forty year old Lebron. And lastly,

0:43:09.160 --> 0:43:11.520
<v Speaker 2>the gap in both of these cases is close in

0:43:11.560 --> 0:43:13.239
<v Speaker 2>my opinion, which I think is a testament to the

0:43:13.239 --> 0:43:16.120
<v Speaker 2>greatness of both of them. So, for instance, like I

0:43:16.160 --> 0:43:18.399
<v Speaker 2>do think Lebron is better than Steph during that whole era,

0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:23.680
<v Speaker 2>but Steph got close. He got close to the guy

0:43:23.840 --> 0:43:26.479
<v Speaker 2>many folks consider to be the best basketball player ever.

0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:29.359
<v Speaker 2>That's an incredible feather in Steph's cap. That's a big

0:43:29.400 --> 0:43:31.759
<v Speaker 2>part of why I have Steph as the fifth best

0:43:31.760 --> 0:43:35.640
<v Speaker 2>perimeter player of all time. He legit competed like Whent

0:43:35.760 --> 0:43:40.360
<v Speaker 2>toe to toe and competed against the goat.

0:43:40.560 --> 0:43:41.400
<v Speaker 1>It's remarkable.

0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:47.359
<v Speaker 2>Similarly, Lebron's staying close to Steph and the stars at

0:43:47.360 --> 0:43:49.440
<v Speaker 2>the top of the like it's close. Like Steph's been

0:43:49.480 --> 0:43:52.320
<v Speaker 2>better than Lebron the last couple of years, but Lebron

0:43:52.400 --> 0:43:54.600
<v Speaker 2>still made second team All NBA and was sixth and

0:43:54.719 --> 0:43:58.640
<v Speaker 2>MVP voting last year, and like has definitively been right

0:43:58.719 --> 0:44:02.880
<v Speaker 2>up there hanging on for dear life with those guys.

0:44:03.880 --> 0:44:05.239
<v Speaker 1>That he like.

0:44:05.280 --> 0:44:07.759
<v Speaker 2>It's he continues to make All NBA every year. He

0:44:07.880 --> 0:44:11.799
<v Speaker 2>just got second team. It's a truly remarkable accomplishment for

0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:15.640
<v Speaker 2>a forty year old basketball player. Him remaining at that

0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:19.160
<v Speaker 2>level for as long as he has is literally the

0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:22.480
<v Speaker 2>biggest part of why I view him as the goat.

0:44:23.880 --> 0:44:28.240
<v Speaker 2>If I'm starting to franchise from scratch and I'm guaranteed

0:44:29.360 --> 0:44:31.719
<v Speaker 2>a ten year stretch where he's the best player in

0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:35.080
<v Speaker 2>the world and another decade plus where he's an All

0:44:35.160 --> 0:44:38.480
<v Speaker 2>NBA player, I'm giving myself a lot of chances to

0:44:38.480 --> 0:44:42.440
<v Speaker 2>build a championship team. No one's come close to that.

0:44:43.280 --> 0:44:47.239
<v Speaker 2>And last little bonus, Steph topic here again. He just

0:44:47.280 --> 0:44:50.120
<v Speaker 2>suffered that injury in the postseason, which kind of takes

0:44:50.160 --> 0:44:53.360
<v Speaker 2>away from this, But he's putting together a sneaky little

0:44:54.080 --> 0:45:00.360
<v Speaker 2>case for longevity on his own, like amongst small guards

0:45:01.280 --> 0:45:04.040
<v Speaker 2>at his age, to make second team All NBA. Like

0:45:04.360 --> 0:45:07.160
<v Speaker 2>most small guards fall apart rapidly in this phase of

0:45:07.200 --> 0:45:11.200
<v Speaker 2>their career, and Steph just hasn't. I'm curious to see

0:45:11.239 --> 0:45:13.480
<v Speaker 2>how long he'll drag out this level of play, because,

0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:15.839
<v Speaker 2>like I still have him pretty high on the list

0:45:15.840 --> 0:45:19.480
<v Speaker 2>this year, I have him above Lebron again, But at

0:45:19.480 --> 0:45:20.840
<v Speaker 2>the same time, he just got hurt and he just

0:45:20.840 --> 0:45:22.960
<v Speaker 2>missed a playoff series, so hopefully that isn't a sign

0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:23.600
<v Speaker 2>of things to come.

0:45:23.640 --> 0:45:24.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm hoping, Like I.

0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:26.200
<v Speaker 2>Said that that was more to do with the Warriors

0:45:26.640 --> 0:45:29.400
<v Speaker 2>waiting forever to finally get Steph a second star, and

0:45:29.440 --> 0:45:31.759
<v Speaker 2>he wore his body down to the point where he

0:45:31.760 --> 0:45:33.400
<v Speaker 2>had to play super hard at the end of the

0:45:33.400 --> 0:45:35.760
<v Speaker 2>season instead of chilling and getting ready for the playoffs.

0:45:35.760 --> 0:45:38.399
<v Speaker 2>So like, whether or not it was a fluke will

0:45:38.400 --> 0:45:41.400
<v Speaker 2>play a big role in where I rank Steph next summer, right, like,

0:45:41.400 --> 0:45:43.600
<v Speaker 2>if he gets hurt again this year, then like if

0:45:43.600 --> 0:45:45.680
<v Speaker 2>he gets hurt again this year, or if he's dealing

0:45:45.719 --> 0:45:47.960
<v Speaker 2>with the nagging injury that causes him to play below

0:45:48.000 --> 0:45:50.000
<v Speaker 2>his peak when we get to the postseason, all of

0:45:50.040 --> 0:45:52.400
<v Speaker 2>a sudden, those same cases you're making about Lebron and

0:45:52.440 --> 0:45:54.360
<v Speaker 2>his health and his ability to stay at his peak

0:45:54.400 --> 0:45:56.680
<v Speaker 2>now apply to Steph as well. So that's gonna be

0:45:56.719 --> 0:45:58.399
<v Speaker 2>That's gonna be something I have an eye on this year.

0:45:59.280 --> 0:46:02.160
<v Speaker 2>I am on Steph being healthy, and that's why I

0:46:02.200 --> 0:46:03.719
<v Speaker 2>have staff as high as he is. You guys will

0:46:03.719 --> 0:46:05.440
<v Speaker 2>see where he ranks on the list this year when

0:46:05.440 --> 0:46:08.120
<v Speaker 2>we get there, But like, I'm gonna be keeping an

0:46:08.160 --> 0:46:09.480
<v Speaker 2>eye on that because I think that's gonna play a

0:46:09.480 --> 0:46:12.640
<v Speaker 2>big role in where ranks next year. Last question, non

0:46:12.719 --> 0:46:16.560
<v Speaker 2>basketball question. So as a fan for years now, I'm

0:46:16.560 --> 0:46:18.240
<v Speaker 2>happy for you and the misses as you guys embark

0:46:18.280 --> 0:46:20.040
<v Speaker 2>on a new chapter in life and congratulations.

0:46:20.040 --> 0:46:20.719
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much.

0:46:21.360 --> 0:46:23.080
<v Speaker 2>However, and I don't even want to ask this, but

0:46:23.120 --> 0:46:25.960
<v Speaker 2>I need to know, does this mean Two Sons podcast

0:46:26.080 --> 0:46:28.480
<v Speaker 2>is dead? I love that channel, So some of you

0:46:28.480 --> 0:46:30.879
<v Speaker 2>guys listen to my other podcasts that I do. It's

0:46:30.880 --> 0:46:33.040
<v Speaker 2>just kind of like a passion project. On the side,

0:46:33.120 --> 0:46:35.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't do it nearly as much. We only do

0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:39.640
<v Speaker 2>like maybe thirty episodes a year, but I cover Star

0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:42.520
<v Speaker 2>Wars in particular, but like all the big lore stuff

0:46:42.560 --> 0:46:44.200
<v Speaker 2>like Lord of the Rings and Game Thrones, that sort

0:46:44.239 --> 0:46:47.200
<v Speaker 2>of stuff, major TV shows and movies and stuff. With

0:46:47.239 --> 0:46:51.040
<v Speaker 2>my best friend Luke, and we haven't done an episode

0:46:51.080 --> 0:46:52.920
<v Speaker 2>in a while, in large part because I was in

0:46:52.920 --> 0:46:57.680
<v Speaker 2>my busy season and right after that I immediately moved across

0:46:57.719 --> 0:47:00.759
<v Speaker 2>state lines, so it was just like super like just

0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:04.760
<v Speaker 2>a tough transition period. And Luke just had a new baby,

0:47:04.920 --> 0:47:06.799
<v Speaker 2>so like he's been dealing with that too, so we've

0:47:06.840 --> 0:47:10.239
<v Speaker 2>been kind of like not working for a while here.

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<v Speaker 2>But to be clear, and we did, we covered and Or,

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<v Speaker 2>but covering and Or was the last time that we

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<v Speaker 2>did episodes, and so a couple of things. First of all,

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<v Speaker 2>Luke's my best friend and me moving to Denver doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>change that, and we're gonna continue to record. We got

0:47:25.400 --> 0:47:28.719
<v Speaker 2>him set up with remote equipment and I'll just be

0:47:28.880 --> 0:47:31.200
<v Speaker 2>doing two Sons podcasts from here and we'll do it

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<v Speaker 2>over zoom calls. I think it'll be even funner, even

0:47:33.600 --> 0:47:37.120
<v Speaker 2>more fun for both of us because it'll be opportunities

0:47:37.120 --> 0:47:39.640
<v Speaker 2>for us to hang out again, because we'll obviously be

0:47:39.680 --> 0:47:43.040
<v Speaker 2>hanging out less being you know, nine hundred miles apart.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, we're gonna The main thing is, I'm actually

0:47:46.480 --> 0:47:49.040
<v Speaker 2>trying to work out something with him on Tuesday or

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<v Speaker 2>Wednesday this week because I watched the first two episodes

0:47:52.000 --> 0:47:54.880
<v Speaker 2>of Alien Earth on Hulu and I loved it, and

0:47:54.960 --> 0:47:57.759
<v Speaker 2>episode three is tomorrow night, and so I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get Luke.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's on board.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think we're gonna do an episode here in

0:48:02.040 --> 0:48:04.799
<v Speaker 2>the next few days that covers Alien Earth. So if

0:48:04.800 --> 0:48:06.719
<v Speaker 2>you guys want to watch along with us and just

0:48:06.920 --> 0:48:09.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of hang out on the podcast, we'll be keep

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<v Speaker 2>an eye on my Twitter feed over the course in

0:48:11.760 --> 0:48:13.160
<v Speaker 2>the next few days. And I'll tweet out the link.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you want to find the channel, it's just

0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:18.520
<v Speaker 2>two Suns podcast. It's a whole YouTube channel if you

0:48:18.560 --> 0:48:21.560
<v Speaker 2>go back there. Like every Star Wars book we've read,

0:48:21.600 --> 0:48:24.080
<v Speaker 2>we've done an episode on Star Wars movies, that sort

0:48:24.080 --> 0:48:26.480
<v Speaker 2>of thing. Like We've done a ton of content over

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<v Speaker 2>the years that I think, especially when you're doing TVs

0:48:29.120 --> 0:48:30.320
<v Speaker 2>and TV and movie.

0:48:30.080 --> 0:48:31.399
<v Speaker 1>Shows, that just still holds up.

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<v Speaker 2>So you guys can check out the older content there

0:48:33.800 --> 0:48:36.839
<v Speaker 2>and then again hopefully within the next three days or so,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll have our new episode there. But Nicholas, thanks so

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<v Speaker 2>much for supporting us and all of you guys that

0:48:42.640 --> 0:48:44.719
<v Speaker 2>do listen to that show. Thanks and if you guys

0:48:44.760 --> 0:48:46.080
<v Speaker 2>want to check it out, you guys know where to

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<v Speaker 2>find it. But that's all I have for today is

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<v Speaker 2>always as sincerely appreciate you guys for supporting me and

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<v Speaker 2>suporting the show. We'll be back on Monday with number nine,

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<v Speaker 2>number nine, and I will see you guys no. Number

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<v Speaker 2>eight because number nine is Jaylen Brunts and we just

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<v Speaker 2>hit so I'll see you guys on my day for

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<v Speaker 2>number eighth,