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Professional 16 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 1: golfer Lucas Glover's wife arrested after allegedly attacking him and 17 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: calling him a let me just say, uh gosh, a 18 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 1: female slur and a loser after he plays a bad 19 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: round and the PGA Players Championship. Take a listen to 20 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 1: the call that kicked it all off. Call. Listen, I've 21 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: been attacked by my mother in law. Okay, what's the 22 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: it is? I'm yes, what's the strain name? Okay? He 23 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: said you were attacked by your mother, yes, and my 24 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: mother in law yes. And here she bought herself into 25 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: the room and attacked us. Okay, how did he attack 26 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: you don't know? How did he attack you? Oh? What 27 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: happened to that? I think somebody hung up? Take you 28 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: Listen to the next nine one one call. Hello, Hi, 29 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: it's the same time Kenny Stats Office. Yeah, Hi, Hi, 30 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: Larns curl and this is this is the bot, same 31 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: one from the bunch. Okay, keep tell me what's going 32 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: on that? Yeah, mom? And now she's she's trying to 33 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:42,839 Speaker 1: blame it on my mother, which is not the case 34 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: at all on others and one and my wife has 35 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: going crazy. So okay, did he need Tileski to come 36 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: out there and look at it? No? I don't think 37 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 1: anybody needs to come out here, thank you. Okay, No, 38 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: we felt like that things that are coming out there 39 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: just can make sure that everything is okay. You there, 40 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: can I talk to your life real quick? No, you cannot. 41 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: She is in the house. What's my daughter? And when 42 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: the doctor they need to talk to the male that 43 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: would be me because these other two are aid at 44 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: the moment. Okay, So, but he died nine one one, 45 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: so I need to speak with her so I can 46 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: find out what's coming, what's happening from her side? Where 47 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: else She's gonna lot to you. That's what I'm telling you. 48 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: That's why I entered her phone. She's swing live, but 49 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:31,399 Speaker 1: I want to talk to Okay, thank you, Okay, yeah, 50 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: Hi there. Hi is just so bad when I was 51 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: talking to her joint. Yeah, we're not having a great Okay, 52 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: we do you adaptive? On their way out there? Can 53 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: I get your name? I don't know? Well you got 54 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: wi is coming out there already. Okay, okay, you thank you? 55 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: What is your name? Um? Yeah, we're gonna so can 56 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: I get your name? Maam? Okay? Well um him. Let 57 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: me just quote a famous legal scholar that once said 58 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: that was the turn in the punch bowl right there. Okay, 59 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: his words, not mine, Okay, because I would never say that. 60 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: But once you call nine one one, you can't and 61 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: report an attack. You can't just hang up and then 62 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: act like nothing happened when they called back. It doesn't 63 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: work like that. We we are talking about a pro golfer, 64 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: a great great golfer, Lucas Glover, and a night when 65 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: one call goes down and then when they call the 66 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 1: home back, everybody acts like nothing happened. Well, this is 67 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: what went down. The wife, Krista, is arrested at the 68 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: their beautiful home in Pontovidra Beach after she allegedly attacks 69 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: physically and verbally her husband and his mother boy she 70 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: let loose on the whole kittenan camboodle. Now. A police 71 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: report obtained states that and officer response to the disturbance 72 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: at eight thirty at night and found the athlete Glover 73 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: and his mother injured. Now Glover had played at the 74 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: Player's Championship that day, and he claims his wife regularly 75 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 1: brates him and yells at him when he plays poorly. 76 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: Mrs Glovers said to have been drinking earlier in the 77 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: day and started the whole thing in front of the 78 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 1: two under age children. There were cuts and bruises, fresh 79 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: ones on his right arm and multiple cuts to both 80 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: his sixty two year old mother, Hershey Glover's arms. The 81 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 1: wife is charged with domestic battery, resisting arrest after she 82 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: refused to get in the back of the squad car, 83 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: and just to top it all off, she says, quote, 84 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: this is why cops gets shot in the face. Wait, 85 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 1: I talked to the Joe as you will be effing 86 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: fired over this. Rut Row joining me, Ashi Willcott, judge 87 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: and lawyer. Brian Russell. Dr Brian Russell, lawyer and psychologist 88 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: and hosts of Hit show on Investigation, Discovery, Fatal Vows 89 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: series and Jo Got Morgan forensics expert. Okay, Dr Brian, 90 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: let's start with you. You know, cops don't like it 91 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: very much when somebody says, as you're trying to get 92 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: him into the back of the squad car, this is 93 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: why cops get shot in the face. You're gonna get 94 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: effing fired over this. What. Yeah, I don't think she 95 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: haught to be really too anxious to talk to the 96 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: judge about that. One My biggest concern though, uh and 97 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,799 Speaker 1: probably yours as well, is that you can hear children 98 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: in the background of that call and whatever has gone 99 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: down between the adults. One thing we know for sure 100 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: is that there's child abuse going on in that household, 101 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: because merely exposing children to chaos like that is abusive 102 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: in my opinion, and so you know, always my biggest 103 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: concern is for the children, because no kid should have 104 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: to be immersed in that kind of chaos. Well um boom, 105 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: I agree with you about the chaos, but I also 106 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: don't like it when they see mommy bating grandmammy. What 107 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: about that, Ashley Willcott, No, that's not good. That's domestic violence, 108 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: and it traumatizes children and is emotional abuse of children. 109 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: But I am going to suggest this. The bother that 110 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: I have is that somewhere in the middle is the truth, 111 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: and we don't really know what it is because listen 112 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: to the husband, the one you just played on nine 113 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: one one who says, both of these women. Don't talk 114 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: to these women. They're gonna lie and they're out of 115 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: their heads. You need to talk to the male I'm 116 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: concerned about. We don't really know the truth as to 117 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: what really happened, but whatever happened, it's not good for 118 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: the kids. So actually, let me understand this. You're upset 119 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: because he talked out about the women while the grandma's lady. 120 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: I mean, let's I spent decades in court where women 121 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: got talked down to. But I was a little more 122 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: concerned about the bleeding victims. Yeah, she's bleeding, but we 123 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: don't know what happened. What did she do to the 124 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: mom if anything. Yeah, I'm concerned about grandma, but I'm 125 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: concerned about both these women with this man. W w wait, wait, 126 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: wait wait wait man, I did not see that coming. 127 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert. Yeah you did. Uh in 128 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: defiance of all the physical evidence, you have a different interpretation. Actually, 129 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: that's what happens in jury rooms, jury deliberations rooms that 130 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, help please help um, Miss Willcott, the 131 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: judge and lawyer and founder child crime watch dot com, 132 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: understand that everybody else has bruised and bleeding except for 133 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: the drunk wife. Okay, so I mean it doesn't take 134 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: a lot of power deduction figure out what happened. Nobody 135 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: else is bleeding, I mean every excuse me, everybody else 136 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: is bleeding but her. Yes, it's an interesting dynamic from 137 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: what I understand. Uh, miss Glover had been, as my 138 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: grandpa would say, which Glover the mother or the wife. 139 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: The wife actually had been pulling a cork as my grandma, 140 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: as my Grandpa would say all day long. So she's 141 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: got she's got plenty of lubrication on board at this point, 142 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, let me pulling a court I like that. 143 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: I usually say they're in the bottle, Okay, go ahead. Yeah, 144 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: and so, uh, certainly not an excuse I was. You know, 145 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: I took a look. I'm I'm a big procolf fan. 146 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: And I don't know folks know this about about Lucas Clover, 147 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: but you know, he won the US Open in two 148 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: thousand nine. He's a big deal in the area of 149 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: of golf and procolf. But since that time, uh, he's 150 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: kind of been in decline. And so you know he's 151 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: he's coming home. He's just come off of this this 152 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: Uh it's a rather big term. And he played in 153 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 1: this past aken and did very poorly a matter of fact, 154 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: didn't even make the cut, poorly by his standards. Of course, 155 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, Uh, he still walked 156 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 1: away even though he didn't make the cut with twenty 157 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: one dollars. I don't know about job, but I'd be 158 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: satisfied with that for two days work. Um. And and 159 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 1: so the wife, apparently uh, fueled by alcohol, is getting 160 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: progressively more angry as time goes by. And now I 161 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: don't know if he had to step in between the 162 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: mother in law and the wife, but I do know this. Uh, 163 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 1: police come out to the house in a domestic abuse situation, 164 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: and uh, somebody's going to jail. I don't know who 165 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: it's gonna be, but somebody is going to jail. Less 166 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: the nature of the world we live in nowadays. She 167 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: goes on, reportedly to Dr Bryan russell Man, she just 168 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: could not keep her piehole shut. According to the St. 169 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: John's County sheriff report, the wife, Kristin Glover, screams of 170 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: the deputies. When the p g A tour hears about this, 171 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 1: you will lose your job. Way till I talk to 172 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: the judge, you'll be effing fired. Like the PGA tour 173 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: can fire a sheriff's deputy. She was out of her gourd. 174 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: Dr Brian, Yeah, and she's throwing around her association with 175 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: the p g A and then the husband who's the pro, 176 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: which is a little bit interesting because at the same 177 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: time we understand she's berating him for not being good 178 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: enough of a pro. It's the kind of thing that 179 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: we saw remember years ago. Uh, there was a was 180 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: a d u I stop, actually, I think and it 181 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 1: was Mel Gibson, the actor and producer and director, and 182 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: he went off on the cop and a big rant, 183 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: and so you know, these people, uh, they think they're 184 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: big deals and then they're confronted by law enforcement and 185 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: they they sort of show their true colors because you know, 186 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: they rely on these people to protect them on a 187 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,719 Speaker 1: day in and day out basis. But then when they 188 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: do something wrong and law enforcement shows up just trying 189 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: to do their job, then you see that these people 190 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: really really sort of look down upon police officers that 191 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: they think that you know, that they're uh, lower paid, 192 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: lower status people. You really see sort of what they 193 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: think of cops in these kinds of situations because the 194 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: celebrity or the wealthy person whatever is embarrassed and so 195 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: they sort of try to try to start throwing their 196 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: weight around to to either get out of the trouble 197 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: or make themselves, you know, to deal with their embarrassment, 198 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: make themselves feel like like a big shot to the cops. 199 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: Doesn't play out very well in front of judges, though 200 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: it doesn't play either. Dr Brian doesn't play well with anybody. 201 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: I don't think except her, I mean. And also, I 202 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: guess I have a certain issue with and this is 203 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 1: my flaw with classism, because you know, we grew up 204 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: without very much. We didn't know it at the time. 205 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: Of course, we're perfectly happy. But if there's one thing, well, 206 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that drive me crazy. But 207 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: one of them is when rich people act out. You know, 208 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: they got everything. Why are they acting out? And listen 209 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: to this, you know, back to you, Joe Scott Morgan. Correction, 210 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: you said he's not doing so let's just talk for 211 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 1: a moment about Lucas Glover now. And he didn't want 212 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: his wife arrested. He was trying to defend her. But 213 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: he says his wife often threatens to leave him and 214 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: take the kids when he doesn't play well. But in 215 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: his career he has made over twenty million dollars. Yeah. True, 216 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: he's struggling in two thousand eighteen, but twenty million dollars. 217 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: That doesn't sound like a quote loser to me. Joe 218 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. No, I don't think he's a loser. He's 219 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: in the PGA tour. Uh. You know, perception is everything. 220 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: I think that it goes back to what Brian and 221 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: actually we're talking about relative to his perception or perception 222 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: of status and his wife's perception of status. You know, 223 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: Brian brought up Mel Gibson. I'd like to bring up 224 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: somebody else in this case that kind of parallels with 225 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: this woman had pacy grace from him. No, it's it's 226 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 1: gonna be every everybody's southern little sweetheart, Reese Witherspoon. And 227 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: you know that I actually wound up writing a piece 228 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: about that, uh with a j C. It made me 229 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: so furious when that occurred. You know, this this idea 230 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: that you're better and look, you know this, this poor 231 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: police officer. And if you've never been a Pontra Vidra, 232 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: it's it's a palatial area. You know, these million, multimillion 233 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: dollar homes, perfectly manicured lawns, and these guys, these poor cops, 234 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: you know, they probably might be pulling down forty two 235 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: dollars a year if they're lucky in this area. And 236 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: you've got to go out and you know, be treated 237 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: this way, and they're trying to protect and serve at 238 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: the end of the day, Let's take a listen to 239 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: Reese Witherspoon when she's pulled over for d u by 240 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: whoop see you know my name? You don't ye? God? 241 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: Find God? Who I am? Well, I've got an little 242 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: tidbit to add speaking of the way they were treated. 243 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan everybody, Joseph's got Morgan with me. Forensics 244 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: expert and Professor of forensics at Jacksonville State University, Dr 245 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: Brian Russell, who loves rub it into me that not 246 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: only does he have a j D like me, he's 247 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: also a psychologist. Go ahead, rubbed in, rubb it in 248 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: host Off Investigation, Discoveries, Hit Show, Fatal Vows, and Ashley 249 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: Wilcott noticed, I haven't gone back to her since she 250 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: disagreed with me a few minutes ago Judge law and 251 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: found her child crime watch dot com. Now, so as 252 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: she's concerned about it, who's really the bad guy? But 253 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: just let me point out one other little tidbit. After 254 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: the wife Christic Lover gets on the car and threatens 255 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: to get the cops fired and curses them out, she 256 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: then kicks the rear driver's side door and so hard 257 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: it separates the same of the door frame. Then she 258 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: can plain the handcuffs too tight. Mm go ahead, Ashley 259 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: jump in defend that. I'm listening. She's crazy. I get that, 260 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: and I agree on that, but listen, it's this is 261 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: my issue. This is not there's one person in the hall, 262 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: a crazy wife who has committed domestic violence. That may 263 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: be true, but you have a whole another dynamic because 264 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: here you have a husband who says, talk to me, 265 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: and then later he tries to manipulate law enforcement, and 266 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: then later makes a statement, oh, we're comfortable with the 267 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: judicial system that will address what actually happened, and Krista 268 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: will be cleared. What the heck is going on in 269 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: that house? There are a lot of ish. Well, I'll 270 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: tell you what's going on. Dr Brian Russell. I mean, 271 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: you're the psychologist planning tell you what's going on. She 272 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: the wife has a horrible alcohol problem, and he's been 273 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: trying to make excuses and cover it up and act 274 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: like they have a normal life for the Lord only 275 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: knows how many years, because that's what families of alcoholics do. 276 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 1: They cover it up, They make excuses, everything's fine, don't 277 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: all to her. Taught to me, I'm the only same one. Translation, 278 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 1: I'm the only sober one here that that's what he's doing. 279 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: He's trying to cover for his wife with our alcohol problem. 280 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: I think that you are probably right about that. I 281 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: think I think Ashley makes a good point to the 282 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: extent that we don't have enough information here to know 283 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 1: for sure that she's the villain, he's the hero. You know, 284 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: there's there's nothing in between. Didn't say he hold on, 285 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, Brian. But the golfer and 286 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: his mother, they're carven and cuts and bruises and blood, right, 287 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: is that right? I think one thing, Well, this is 288 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: the only time I'm concerned, and then the only one 289 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: that's not bloody and bruised is who. But one thing 290 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: that we know, I think, Chris, thing that we can 291 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: tell from this audio is I think it is very 292 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: very unlikely that this is the first chaotic incident like 293 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: this that has come up. This sounds to me like 294 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: a guy who has been here before, and we don't 295 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: know what all has gone down in that house before, 296 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 1: but it sounds to me like a guy who may 297 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 1: be in some denial about how very serious this is 298 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: for for the children to be exposed to this even once, 299 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 1: but especially if this is a serial situation. And so so, Yes, 300 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: I think that there is a person here and the 301 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: guy and I also notice what we've talked about, how 302 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 1: the wife was throwing around the p G A and 303 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: O when the p G A finds out and all 304 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 1: this stuff. I noticed that he's not doing that. He's 305 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: the pro golfer, he's the twenty million dollar man. He's 306 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: not saying that kind of stuff. He seems to me 307 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: like a guy who's trying to minimize, trying to uh, 308 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,679 Speaker 1: sort of make it go away. I don't know if 309 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 1: that's because he's concerned about negative publicity. I don't know 310 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 1: if that's because he's concerned about, you know, that the 311 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: kids thinking that their mom is nuts. And I don't 312 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: know if he's worried about uh, if he's just trying 313 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: to avoid in his mind that the thought that you know, uh, 314 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: my wife is somebody who is damaging my children by 315 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: doing this kind of stuff in front of them. But 316 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,959 Speaker 1: I think he's got to he's got to wake up 317 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 1: to the fact that he cannot allow his children to 318 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: continue to be exposed to this kind of stuff. And 319 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: if he does, then then he is a co participant 320 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: in child abuse. The daughter is five, the little boy 321 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: is too. Did you know about a recent law that 322 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: could leave your personal data exposed online for anybody to find. 323 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: If you've trowned on the news lately, you know the 324 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: Internet has created a dangerous new world. Data breaches exposed 325 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: private information, there's a new cybersecurity threat every other day, 326 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: and criminals can sell the identity of you and your 327 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: family the dart web. 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A five year old boy that I believe 344 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: was malnourished and underfed now goes missing, and the so 345 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: called stepmother that was taking care of him while dad 346 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 1: was out of town working an oil rig seemingly slipping 347 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 1: through the fingers of justice. Yet again, I'm talking about 348 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: five year old Lucas her Nandez. Even at this moment, 349 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: authorities don't know where Lucas or his remains are. In 350 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: the last hours, that's so called stepmother has been acquitted 351 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: on another charge. It just never ends with this case. 352 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: Trying to get justice for Lucas Hernandez with me world 353 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: renowned victim's advocate, the founder of Class Kids Mark Class, 354 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: Kim Martin, who's Missing Pieces network is trying to find 355 00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 1: answers about Lucas, Ashley Wilcot, juvenile judge and lawyer, founder 356 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 1: of Child Crime Watch dot com, and Lee Egan Crime 357 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: Online dot com reporter. Guys, I want to start with 358 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: the so called disappearance of Lucas. First of all, listen 359 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: to this Happy birthday, Dear Lucy, Happy birthday to you, 360 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: glout your candle, good job, but you're five years old 361 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 1: tomorrow singing for Lucas at his fifth birthday party, Mark Class, 362 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: I remember the twins fifth birthday party like it was yesterday, 363 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: and what a blowout it was birthday cake at jumping House, 364 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 1: you know, putting those two together as a recipe for disaster. 365 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 1: All that I sing and all that jumping. I mean, 366 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: it's just not a party, Nhen, somebody throws up. But 367 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: it was a good time, and I remember like it 368 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: was yesterday. You know what, nobody's remembering that for Lucas instead. 369 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: Right now we're all saying where is Lucas or where's 370 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: his boy? It's just not right to have those words 371 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 1: in the same sentence, Mark Class, What happened to your 372 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: understanding the day Lucas goes missing? Well as I understand it, Nancy, 373 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: the day Lucas went missing, Um, the stepmother, Emily Glass, 374 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: twenty six year old woman, UM put him down for 375 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 1: why do we even say stepmother, Mark, She's a living girlfriend. 376 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: She never showed Lucas any love, that's correct. I mean 377 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 1: she put Lucas down for a nap at around three o'clock. 378 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: She herself took a nap at about three o'clock, and 379 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: when she woke up several hours later, Lucas was missing, 380 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: she looked around for him, she reported it to the authorities. 381 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: The authorities came out, investigated, and could find absolutely no 382 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: sign that anybody had broken into the house, gotten into 383 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 1: the house, or illegally removed Lucas in any way, shape 384 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: or form. There was absolutely no evidence whatsoever of Lucas 385 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 1: having left the property. And that's basically where the case 386 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: stands right now. Of course, Simpson, a lot of allegations 387 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: have come out, and a lot of evidence has come out, 388 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: you know, to Kim Martin joining me in addition to 389 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: Mark Class Kim Martin with Missing Pieces Network. Kim, what 390 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: more do we know about the day Lucas goes missing? 391 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: I know the dad's out of town working. We've confirmed that. 392 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 1: I don't mean two towns over, I mean out of 393 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 1: state with an oil company. He's not part of this, Okay. 394 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: So the living girlfriend is home, she has a baby 395 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: in the home, her bio baby, and we've got little Lucas. 396 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: And from reports, we have been told that every time 397 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: she and the dad would have an argument, should take 398 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: it out on Lucas. That's what Lucas's relatives have told us. 399 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: You know, it bugs me so much Kim Martin, is 400 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: the fact about the olive garden the day before I 401 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: think it was the day before he goes missing. Kim, 402 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: would you tell Mark class that story. Emily apparently cleaned 403 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: a lot, did a lot of laundry that day, went 404 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: to the garage, smoked some three bowls of pot and 405 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: got hungry. Um. She said that Lucas had been sleeping 406 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: because he had a tummy ache, so she took Mia 407 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: and went to Olive garden. Um. Interestingly, she does not 408 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: remember the route she took to Olive Garden, but that's 409 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: what she said. I mean, Mark, you know the twins. 410 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: I can't even imagine leaving one at home with a 411 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,199 Speaker 1: sick tummy allegedly and taking the other one for a 412 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: nice lunch, and leaving a five year old at home 413 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: alone was nothing to eat, and taking my biological child 414 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: out for a lunch at olive gardens. Oh, it's absurd. 415 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: It's completely beyond the pale nancy that somebody would do that. 416 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: And it's hard to believe that a little boy who's 417 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: suffering from stomach pains is somehow soundly sleeping throughout this 418 00:25:55,280 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: entire U situation. She's a very irresponsible woman. And if 419 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: she really, as it turns out, as we'll see, has 420 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: absolutely no old business around children, you know, um to 421 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: Lee Egan crime online dot Com reporter league been doing 422 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: such an awesome job covering this on crime online dot com. 423 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: So when she wakes up for her three hour nap 424 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: okay in the middle of the day, not judging the baby, 425 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: baby Lucas, five years old, is gone. How long passed 426 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: before she calls nine one one to tell them he's missing. 427 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: She woke up a three hour nap and it wasn't 428 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: much longer after that she called. What upset me also, 429 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: to Askal Willcott child crime watch dot Com, is that 430 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 1: the landlord drove by and saw Lucas staring out the window. 431 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: Luke says, they're all along, just looking out the window. 432 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 1: He didn't try to leave that day, Diddy Ashley. No, 433 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: And not only that, if he was the only one home, 434 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: that in and of itself could be a charge of 435 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: child endanger mint. But the other thing I want to 436 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 1: point out is something Lee just said, and that is 437 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: this was self reported. He went missing the next day. 438 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: Who knows when he really went missing, right like the 439 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: night before or after she got home from Olive garden. 440 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: There's no one in the home but her, Lucas and 441 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: her little baby. Well, police jump into action, using K 442 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: nine units to search the home. They surround the neighborhood 443 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 1: with a dragnet, They look in nearby parks for clues. Nothing. 444 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: They end up empty handed at the end of the day. Well, 445 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: everybody asked, why didn't you? Is she an amber alert? Well, 446 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 1: there was no evidence he was kidnapped. When the police 447 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 1: said that that was a shockermark class no evidence he 448 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: was kidnapped. Well, I've had issues with the amber alert 449 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 1: from day one, Nancy, and I think that first of all, 450 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: it could be put into the hands of the local 451 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: authorities and if they feel that there's reason enough to 452 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 1: issue a local amber alert, they should be able to 453 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: do so. Unfortunately, that's not how it works. It's a 454 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,120 Speaker 1: state authority and it has to go through many levels 455 00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 1: of green lights before anybody can actually do that. But 456 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: the back of this Lucas's little situation, you know, Emily 457 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: has been reported as being bipolar. She's a drug user. 458 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: Beside the pot, she's been uh, she's been known to 459 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: take meta aptamine and heroin and then that's a toxic 460 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: mixed sense that's a terrible, horrible toxic mix that no child, 461 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 1: whether he's a biological child or a child under her care, 462 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: should ever have to deal with. Take a listen to 463 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: what little Lucas's aunt, Sally res Mussen has to say 464 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: to K A K E t V. All these stories 465 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: I've been hearing for months about him possibly being abused, 466 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: to the investigated and had a frantic interview and all 467 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff and sent him. I guess the 468 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: police didn't think they was gonna have evidence when I 469 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,239 Speaker 1: first found out he was knitting, I um was suspicious 470 00:28:54,320 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: and then worried well. According to Wichita Police Detective Ryanmaker, 471 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: he reads out loud exactly what Emily Glass said happened 472 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: that day around noon, and made Mia and Luke, Peb 473 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: and J and some spaghettios for lunch. I did not 474 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: eat yet by this point because my appetite was not there. 475 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: Sometime after eating, Lucas said his tummy hurt and wanted 476 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: to watch a movie in his room, so I gave 477 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: him some Zofran and put his show on. I can't 478 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: remember one show. Mh then cleaned up his mess from 479 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: eating while Mea was still eating, and then sat down 480 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: browsing my phone and or browsing my phone still waiting 481 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: for me and to finish so that I could clean 482 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: her and her mess up. After that, I did some 483 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: more laundry and cleaned some of back bonus room. I 484 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: did check in on Luke while watching his movie and 485 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: he was fine each time. I checked in on him 486 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: every twenty to thirty minutes just to say hi and 487 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: see how he was doing. And then I decided to 488 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: take a break from cleaning due to my hands from 489 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,479 Speaker 1: hurting in my endo. My hands hurt due to cleaning 490 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: flower bed out. On Thursday, I went to I went 491 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: to Grouts to smoke cannabis and got really hungry. And 492 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: then I remember Jonathan and give me an Olive Garden 493 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: gift card and wanted that to eat. When I got 494 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: me and myself ready, I decided to eat real quick 495 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: while I had my appetite. This was around five pm. 496 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: My landlord Chris called me towards the end um ad 497 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: me finish end up Alive Garden so that he can 498 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: stop by to check the sewer slash plumbing. I believe 499 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: due to nasty smells I was smelling. I told him 500 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: I was almost home and would see him soon. On 501 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: my way home, he had calling me back. I got 502 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: home around six question mark. After I got home, I 503 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: made Lucas dinner. Yeah, French fries and chicken fries and sprite. 504 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: We all mound at night. Well, I did some laundry around, 505 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: I gave Lucas and me a bath and then put 506 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: them to bed. I do believe I've talked to Jonathan 507 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,719 Speaker 1: via duo video chat before I felt asleep Friday night 508 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: at the seventeen Saturday February, the sim I'm sorry. Saturday 509 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: February the eighteenth, that says the kids and I woke 510 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: up around nine am to Kim Martin with missing pieces 511 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: and network he was helping find Lucas Hernandez. So that's 512 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: the day. That's the day before she says Lucas goes missing. 513 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: But again, like Lee Egan has pointed out, she's the 514 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: only one confirming that timeline if you listen to what 515 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: she said Kim when she stated this is according to 516 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: the detectives that have her written statement that she signed 517 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: off on. She says she may have face time with 518 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: the dad, but didn't say anything about him speaking to Lucas, 519 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: so no one can I d Lucas was alive that night, 520 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,239 Speaker 1: So how does she end up in court in the 521 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: past hours on child endangerment? She ended up there for 522 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: um allegedly smoking marijuana and driving Miau to Olive cart 523 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: so that that was in her written statement, and she 524 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: told the police that as well. So she says she 525 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: smokes three bowls for marijuana and drives her daughter, her 526 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: baby to Olive Garden, leaving Lucas behind. It's almost as 527 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: if nobody's looking at the elephant in the room. Lucas, 528 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: a five year old boy is dead there. I'll go 529 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:46,959 Speaker 1: ahead and put it out there. I mean, Mark Class, 530 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: do you think Lucas is still alive? No, Nancy, I 531 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: don't think so. I don't think that Lucas got up 532 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: and walked out of that house either. He was supposedly 533 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: a shy little boy that was not known for wandering off. 534 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: He was a good little boy in her obedient little boy. 535 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: So this is just completely out of character, as I 536 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: understand it, for this child. A five year old little 537 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: boy is missing, and seemingly the so called stepmother that 538 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: was taking care of him at the time he quote 539 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: wanders away as she's taking a three hour nap has 540 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: just slipped through the fingers of justice. We know that 541 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: she was charged with child endangerment because just before Lucas 542 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: goes missing, she admits she smokes three bowls of marijuana 543 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: and drives her other child to Olive Garden. She was 544 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: never charged with driving under the influence of marijuana, Lee Egan. 545 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: Why the police did not ask her to admit a 546 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: JUG test. I don't know if if they waited she 547 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: belonged where it was out of her system or what happened, 548 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: But I mean, it's very obvious to me that nobody 549 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: knews she was driving under the influence of marijuana. She 550 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: drove there, they went to Olive Garden, they ate, and 551 00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: she came home. So why would police asked? I mean, 552 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: have you ever had police just stop come up to 553 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: you at the table at Olive Garden, Lee, and say, hey, 554 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: how about giving me a B a C blood alcohol test? 555 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: Blow into this? Yeah? No, So police didn't do anything wrong. 556 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 1: But boy, if you heard the defense lawyer in court, 557 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: you'd think they had take a listen to this. Scoffol test, 558 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 1: blood test, lab test, actual physically and paraphnilia. Is that correct? 559 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: Is there any others that need to stop that I 560 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 1: add it up here. Oh that I can take over, 561 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: so off this evance that's up here. Next to you 562 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: are list timeline the things that are not going to 563 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: be sent in to the jury here, Paul blood Saliba, 564 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 1: we paraphnelia. All of this right here? Is that correct? Yes, 565 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: m yet you allege or claim that she had marijuana 566 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: present in her system and was high. Correct, But during 567 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: will not received any scientific evidence out of this case 568 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: about marijuana present her system. Is that correct? They will 569 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: receive her statements, but no, no test. Are all of 570 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: these tests available that would imagine? Yes, could you have 571 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 1: asked Emily to submit to these tests? Um, it's possible. 572 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: Did you ask Emily to submit to any of these tests? No? Man, 573 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: Like I stated, there was a whole another investigation we 574 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: were doing at the time, and that was a more 575 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 1: important investigation. So you were an entire case that Emily smoked. 576 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: We later that day, a couple hours later she traveled 577 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:07,240 Speaker 1: to all of ourd with her daughter that she firstly 578 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: an hour later. But yes, it was her statements that 579 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: she made several times. No questions, man, she really letting 580 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: him have it. Mark class. It's really a trial within 581 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,760 Speaker 1: a case. Because the overarching the bigger case is where 582 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: is Lucas Hernandez or where is his body? This was 583 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: a mini trial in the middle of that mystery about 584 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: her driving under the influence of pot. And it wasn't 585 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: just her own statement, Mark class. Did you know that 586 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: a former inmate at the county jail testified in front 587 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: of the jury that Glass told her she Glass smoked 588 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: three bowls of pot and then gotten quote really high 589 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: before driving her daughter to Olive Garden, And so there 590 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: were multiple sources of that information. But still the jury 591 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 1: letter walk Mark, Well, the d A brought a weak 592 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 1: case on her in this picular instance. And if this 593 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: is a mini trial within the bigger investigation, which you 594 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: correctly stated is, then he's really going to have to 595 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,799 Speaker 1: get his act together as he moves forward and tries 596 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 1: to charge her with his disappearance or his murder as 597 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: she Wilcot Child Crime watch dot Com at Lantage uven 598 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: old judge and lawyer. You know what's gonna happen. It's 599 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 1: gonna be like in uh Stephen Avery, where he was 600 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: you know, making a murderer on Netflix where he was 601 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,360 Speaker 1: wrongly convicted on one case. The only he's tried for 602 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,839 Speaker 1: the murder of Theresa Hallback. He said, Oh, you're just 603 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 1: doing this because I was exonerated on the previous case. 604 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,360 Speaker 1: You're mad at me. Well, no, it's because he murdered 605 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,760 Speaker 1: Raisa Hallback. That's why they did it. But in this case, 606 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: actually it's a similar scenario in that if Emily Glass 607 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 1: of girlfriend is ever charged in Lucas's disappearance or even 608 00:37:56,040 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: neglect that ended in the death of Lucas, they're gonna 609 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 1: bring up this trial this not guilty on driving under 610 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 1: the influence of pot and say whether it's true or not. Oh, 611 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 1: the cops are mad because I got not guilty in 612 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 1: that case. Now they're trying to get me back. This 613 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: has given them a perfect argument in an ultimate trial 614 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 1: if it happened. Absolutely, this was a big win for 615 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,479 Speaker 1: the defense for the reason you've just pointed out. Don't 616 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 1: rush to charges. For any district attorney, that's the best advice. 617 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: Because here's the other thing I see in this case. 618 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,840 Speaker 1: I look at all the information that we know, I 619 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 1: think there are additional potential charges against this woman that 620 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,400 Speaker 1: stand at this point in time, for instance, child endangerment 621 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,240 Speaker 1: of the five year old because based on her statement 622 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 1: he was home alone when she chose to take the 623 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: one year old to Olive Garden with her. Why would 624 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 1: you leave a five year old home alone. That's child endangerment. 625 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 1: That means that you are knowingly and unreasonably causing or 626 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 1: permitting that five year old to be placed in a 627 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,359 Speaker 1: situation which could be endangering to the child. You don't 628 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 1: leave a five year old at home. So there were 629 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 1: also other facts areas that resulted in other potential charges. 630 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 1: So I think that we talk about law enforcement district attorneys, 631 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:12,320 Speaker 1: they need to be very deliberate and thoughtful and analyzing, 632 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,759 Speaker 1: gathering the evidence, and then prosecuting on the charges at 633 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,759 Speaker 1: that point in time. I don't think that happens. On 634 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 1: the other hand, to Kim Martin with missing pieces of network. 635 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 1: I know what the district attorney was trying to do, 636 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 1: and I don't fault him. What he was trying to 637 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 1: do was get her on anything anything that was real. 638 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: And this is real. She admitted to it, and she 639 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 1: bragged about it in jail. She was high on pot 640 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,319 Speaker 1: when she drove to the Olive Garden with a child 641 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 1: in the car BAM. But he was I imagine he 642 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 1: was thinking if he could get her on that, and 643 00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 1: she was in jail for a while. At some point 644 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 1: she'd brag about Lucas two, and then he would have 645 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,479 Speaker 1: the evidence he needed to prosecute the murder. I'm sure 646 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 1: that's what he was aiming for. You know this in 647 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: the business drop in the bucket. Compared to Lucas is dead, 648 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 1: the five year old boy is dead, guys, news is 649 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 1: about one year old out of the house. Nancy. They did, 650 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,360 Speaker 1: they at least recognized at a minimum, there was neglect 651 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 1: and inadequate supervision, and the state did pull the one 652 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,280 Speaker 1: year old out of her care. Thank god. Right, because 653 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,920 Speaker 1: this mother either killed the five year old or knows 654 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 1: what happened to him. That's a really good point. You're right, 655 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: So bottom line, I mean, I don't want to bash 656 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 1: the d A so much here. Yeah. Yeah, it's a 657 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 1: weak case, but she did it. It's a weak case. 658 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 1: He lost the case. But what just because you think 659 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,760 Speaker 1: you're gonna lose the case, you don't bring the case. 660 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,759 Speaker 1: You just go, oh, well, I'll think I'm gonna win. 661 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 1: I just won't bring it. I think he should have 662 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,479 Speaker 1: brought brought it. I think he did the right thing 663 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 1: bringing it. And Mark class. Let's get back to the 664 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,919 Speaker 1: big issue. The big issue is not her driving after 665 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 1: three bowls of pot, which I do not condone. The 666 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: big issue is Lucas, Mark Class. You know as well 667 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:03,400 Speaker 1: as anybody, better than anybody, how a child does missing 668 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 1: and gets killed. The stats on the possibility of Lucas 669 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:15,280 Speaker 1: being alive, they're astronomical. Explain the reality of what happened 670 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 1: to Lucas and why why we believe he's dead. Well, 671 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: we believe he's dead because there's been no sign of 672 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,400 Speaker 1: Lucas over the course of the last several months. Now, 673 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 1: when children disappear and are murdered as a result of 674 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,400 Speaker 1: a kidnapping or a disappearance, seventy percent of them are 675 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 1: going to be dead within the first three hours, something 676 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,880 Speaker 1: like are going to be dead within the first twenty 677 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,440 Speaker 1: four hours. And your your statistics doesn't drop and your 678 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 1: probabilities drop of exponentially from that point on. So the 679 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,560 Speaker 1: idea that this little boy is somehow out there and 680 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:53,560 Speaker 1: being taken care of um is nil at this point. 681 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,760 Speaker 1: And you're absolutely correct, there's no way that little Lucas 682 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 1: is still alive. Unfortunately, But then we also now are 683 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 1: in a situation where We're literally looking for a needle 684 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,480 Speaker 1: in a haystack. The world is a very big place 685 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,920 Speaker 1: and Lucas is a very little boy. But again, the 686 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 1: statistics are going to tell you that he is probably 687 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,880 Speaker 1: within a quarter mile of that house somewhere. You know, 688 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 1: I noticed in this trial about endangerment after the pot 689 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:28,359 Speaker 1: that when the inmate, the other lady inmate, was on 690 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:33,640 Speaker 1: the stand, she mentioned in front of the jury she 691 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:38,319 Speaker 1: asked Emily Glass, She asked the step mom why did 692 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:43,880 Speaker 1: they keep searching a particular field over and over and over? 693 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 1: Why did they do that? Well, the judge cut her 694 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 1: off and wouldn't let her go on in that vein 695 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 1: about Lucas because that was not the issue before the jury. 696 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,440 Speaker 1: They were only to determine whether she endangered her daughter 697 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,760 Speaker 1: driving high on pot. The case would have been reversed 698 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 1: if there had been a conviction. But that's really interesting. 699 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 1: Even the female inmate was saying, hey, why do they 700 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 1: keep searching that same field over and over with dogs? 701 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:17,760 Speaker 1: Step mom? And the judge cut her off. Mark Class, 702 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,719 Speaker 1: you just said the body is going to be a 703 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,640 Speaker 1: quarter of a mile from the home. Isn't that interesting 704 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 1: that police come back and back and back to that 705 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 1: one field, Mark class and they have to do that, Nancy, 706 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,879 Speaker 1: because you're not going to find the remains of a 707 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 1: little boy on the first pass Um. In many cases 708 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,080 Speaker 1: that we've worked, we've had to go back to the 709 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,720 Speaker 1: location time and time and time again before we finally 710 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,319 Speaker 1: got a hit on what we were looking for. You 711 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,919 Speaker 1: know another thing, Mark class Um, and I always sight 712 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:50,839 Speaker 1: back to you, even when we're not talking together. I'm 713 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:56,040 Speaker 1: I'm concerned about Emily Glasses. The stepmother's demeanor, the way 714 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,879 Speaker 1: she spoke to police, just calm, cool as a cute 715 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,279 Speaker 1: ummer when she was described me Lucas was missing, was 716 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 1: gone or dogs out looking for him. I can't you 717 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,200 Speaker 1: know what this makes me just want to jump up 718 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,720 Speaker 1: out of this chair and run and check on the children, 719 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,680 Speaker 1: and just leave the thought of you sitting there so 720 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:21,440 Speaker 1: calm and collected while there are dogs out sniffing and 721 00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:27,200 Speaker 1: barking trying to find the child. She was calm as 722 00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 1: a cucumber, talking about as she smoked three bowls of 723 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,360 Speaker 1: pot and got in the car and drove her daughter 724 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,920 Speaker 1: and left Lucas at home alone. Mark. Do you remember, 725 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,440 Speaker 1: of course you do, when Polly, your daughter went missing. 726 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:46,440 Speaker 1: You basically said, here, take my fingerprints, take my DNA. 727 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,840 Speaker 1: You basically laid on the steps of the courthouse saying, 728 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,800 Speaker 1: do whatever you've got to do, Please search me, search 729 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,680 Speaker 1: my place, bringing the dogs so you can start looking 730 00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:00,480 Speaker 1: for whoever really took my daughter. Well, that's the way 731 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,719 Speaker 1: I tell it, Mark, Well, that's exactly right. I mean, 732 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,480 Speaker 1: it's a matter of elimination. You have to eliminate yourself 733 00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,040 Speaker 1: from suspicion before the police will be able to effectively 734 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,280 Speaker 1: move on to the other possibilities. And you're exactly right, Nancy. 735 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,560 Speaker 1: In our situation, it was sixty five days of sitting 736 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,960 Speaker 1: on the steps of the police station begging them to 737 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,520 Speaker 1: do something and dissolve the case. And every day they 738 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,879 Speaker 1: didn't solve the case, in my mind, was the day 739 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,160 Speaker 1: that they weren't doing their jobs. But I'm not seeing 740 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,680 Speaker 1: any of this kind of any of this kind of 741 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,160 Speaker 1: thought behavior from from Emily at all. Oh no, you 742 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:35,200 Speaker 1: should see the shots of miss Thing in court, smirking 743 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:40,719 Speaker 1: walking by. She's just as as police. She's very pleased 744 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:47,560 Speaker 1: with herself getting this not guilty. I mean, uh uh so, 745 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,240 Speaker 1: bottom line, what do we do now, Mark, class, she's 746 00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,640 Speaker 1: slipped through justice. I mean, I don't even know what 747 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,799 Speaker 1: else to do. Now. They can't find the body, they 748 00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:01,120 Speaker 1: can't find any evidence that he's still alive. There's no clue, 749 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,000 Speaker 1: there's no for instance, in the home. What do we do, Mark, 750 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,520 Speaker 1: it's ninety days he's been gone. Yeah, Well, you can't 751 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,759 Speaker 1: stop the investigation. Obviously, it has to be ongoing. And 752 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,000 Speaker 1: although the authority search and rescue teams are no longer 753 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,080 Speaker 1: working the case, simply because there are other things they 754 00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,280 Speaker 1: have to do in other priorities, there are volunteer efforts 755 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:24,160 Speaker 1: out there that are ongoing, and those kinds of efforts 756 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,120 Speaker 1: can continue on and on and on. So they have 757 00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,920 Speaker 1: to continue to look for the child. They have to 758 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,440 Speaker 1: continue to investigate this woman, and hopefully at some point 759 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,520 Speaker 1: something will break. And we see this all the time now, Nancy. 760 00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,319 Speaker 1: We see cold cases get hot, we see uh, we 761 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,279 Speaker 1: see these things get solved. We bring these children home 762 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,480 Speaker 1: one way or another. I say, they've got the key 763 00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:51,600 Speaker 1: right there with the step mom, Emily Glass. Take a 764 00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,600 Speaker 1: listen to what the Sedgwick County District Attorney Mark Bennett 765 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,560 Speaker 1: tells us, because the termination was made, that we would 766 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,680 Speaker 1: move forward with this case and that our best evidence 767 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,439 Speaker 1: in front of jury and and we've done that and 768 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,399 Speaker 1: we again respect the verdict. Can you talk about what's 769 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,759 Speaker 1: next in terms of the investigation when the ducas and 770 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,080 Speaker 1: where's that. Yeah, the the investigates with the witch Fell 771 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,520 Speaker 1: Police Department continue to follow leads. Um, they're working on 772 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,879 Speaker 1: the case as we speak. Um, the investigation continues. It's 773 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,799 Speaker 1: that's about the best I can say. It's just there, 774 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,239 Speaker 1: gonna look at every other angle that can think of, 775 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,120 Speaker 1: take tips from the public, continue to search if and 776 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,200 Speaker 1: when a uh, you know, applicable or appropriate, they've got 777 00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,239 Speaker 1: someplace to search. It's been obviously an exhausting investigation to 778 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,960 Speaker 1: day and will continue to be. So you mentioned it 779 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,680 Speaker 1: was a difficult case from the beginning. Who was the 780 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,239 Speaker 1: biggest factor? You know? Obviously the defense came back is 781 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,560 Speaker 1: that there's never any physical at all. Well, there was 782 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,040 Speaker 1: four day hours the past between the time when she 783 00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,640 Speaker 1: drove the child in the state that she described as 784 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,959 Speaker 1: being high and her words between it was forty hours 785 00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,279 Speaker 1: later that the law enforcement was even know where there's 786 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,400 Speaker 1: an issue. And so you know, like any case, the 787 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:06,000 Speaker 1: any delay delays that the copyr of evidence and and 788 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:10,040 Speaker 1: so I mean as as in the defense did a 789 00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,560 Speaker 1: nice job of you know, making making bringing this to 790 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,839 Speaker 1: detention of the jury. Um. You know, she said she'd 791 00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,279 Speaker 1: been using mari wanted. She said she was high at 792 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,640 Speaker 1: the time she was driving her child around. But but they, 793 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,960 Speaker 1: as they pointed out, there was no physical evidence anymore 794 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,200 Speaker 1: of any narcotics in the home. Um, and that's because 795 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,440 Speaker 1: hours had passed, and so I put us into a disadvantage. Um. 796 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,520 Speaker 1: You know again, this this evidence, which certainly not the 797 00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,000 Speaker 1: focus the investigation, but when it was uncovered, it's like, well, 798 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,000 Speaker 1: you know, we have this. We need to move forward 799 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,080 Speaker 1: with what we have, one step at a time. And 800 00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,839 Speaker 1: this was the first, the first case that was able 801 00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,600 Speaker 1: to be brought. Emily Glass a person of interest in 802 00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,759 Speaker 1: the Lupus Fernanda's case. UM yeah, I mean she's been 803 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,759 Speaker 1: the the I think the police I'm not saying anything 804 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:54,920 Speaker 1: the police partment hasn't already said. I mean they've identified her, 805 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,640 Speaker 1: I believe as a person of interest. Um. She certainly 806 00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,080 Speaker 1: witnessed in that case. Um. Deal, And we know the 807 00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,160 Speaker 1: point is, will take evidence where it takes us, and 808 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,880 Speaker 1: we'll continue to investigate this. UM with disperience of Lucas Fernandez. 809 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,520 Speaker 1: That is the d A speaking, but this is what 810 00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:16,000 Speaker 1: I recall. Here is Officer Charlie Davidson announcing little Lucas 811 00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,200 Speaker 1: is gone. This with a heavy heart. I'm here with 812 00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:22,920 Speaker 1: you today, still missing. It's five year old Lucas Fernandez. 813 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:28,400 Speaker 1: Lucas was last seen wearing black sweats, white sox, and 814 00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:32,040 Speaker 1: a gray shirt with a bear on it. Our thoughts 815 00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,800 Speaker 1: and prayers remain with Lucas and Lucas's family as we 816 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:41,440 Speaker 1: are diligently investigating the situation. On Friday, February seventeenth, that 817 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:45,320 Speaker 1: approximately six fifteen officers were dispatched to a lost juvenile 818 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,600 Speaker 1: call at a residence in a six D block of 819 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,160 Speaker 1: South Edgemore. When they arrived, they made contact with the 820 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,960 Speaker 1: twenty six year old female who is the stepmother of Lucas. 821 00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,239 Speaker 1: She reported to officers that she last saw Lucas in 822 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,200 Speaker 1: his bedroom a foxibly three PM prior to her showering 823 00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:09,280 Speaker 1: and falling asleep. Officers and canine units have dylan lately 824 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,719 Speaker 1: checked the home and the neighborhood with no luck of 825 00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,520 Speaker 1: locating Lucas at this time. Nancy, here's the good news 826 00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,200 Speaker 1: about if there's any to be had about no conviction, 827 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:25,239 Speaker 1: maybe it will make her confident and cocky enough to 828 00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,759 Speaker 1: think she's gotten away with it, that she's going to 829 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,680 Speaker 1: blab to somebody about what she really did to Lucas. 830 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:32,800 Speaker 1: What more can you tell us, Kim, he is cocky 831 00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,600 Speaker 1: right now, Nancy. I don't know if you knew this 832 00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,279 Speaker 1: or not, but they're supposedly bringing in a p I 833 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:44,920 Speaker 1: next week. I talked with Jonathan Um. Jonathan and Emily's 834 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,440 Speaker 1: parents have hired a p I. I talked with Jonathan 835 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:53,560 Speaker 1: a lot, and Um Jonathan has told me or he 836 00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,520 Speaker 1: told me that he hoped that they'll begin to find 837 00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,680 Speaker 1: Lucas next week, that a p I has been lined 838 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,680 Speaker 1: up and we'll be in town next week. And I 839 00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,479 Speaker 1: believe Emily's parents also has stated that they have hired 840 00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,080 Speaker 1: a p I, so I'm sure they're talking about the 841 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:12,040 Speaker 1: same p I. UM. The timing to me is odd. 842 00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,239 Speaker 1: Why are you're going to announce and hire someone on 843 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:20,680 Speaker 1: the day that you're daughter and girlfriend are released from jail. 844 00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,359 Speaker 1: But that's the latest. I just I hope that they 845 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,880 Speaker 1: are prepared for what this p I will find. No 846 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:32,040 Speaker 1: one has been named a suspect in Lucas's disappearance, although 847 00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,480 Speaker 1: Emily Glass's stepmother has been named a person of interest 848 00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:40,040 Speaker 1: that tipline three one six, two six eight four four 849 00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:44,759 Speaker 1: zero seven or three one six, two six seven to 850 00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:50,839 Speaker 1: one one one Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off goodbye friend,