1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. 6 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 3: My name is Matt, my name is Nol. 7 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 4: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our 8 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 4: super producer called Mission Control Decades. Most importantly are you. 9 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 4: You are here that makes this the stuff they don't 10 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 4: want you to know. We're going to ask you, folks, 11 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 4: please please before you jump into this one. As I 12 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 4: said in episode one, this is deep water. Before you 13 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 4: jump into part two of the Pentagon's anti vaccination program, 14 00:00:54,280 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 4: please check out part one. Here are the facts previously 15 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 4: on stuff they don't want you to know. Time kind 16 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 4: of got away from us, don't you think. 17 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 3: Well, I think we all ended this recording session alarmed 18 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 3: at how much there was to say about this topic. 19 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 3: And as you pointed out, then we don't do two 20 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 3: parters off them, and when we do, we do it 21 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 3: for a good reason. 22 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 2: And here we go with part two, just quickly jumping 23 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 2: to add this just more context. We were talking about 24 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 2: how there were vaccine fears in the Philippines prior to 25 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 2: any of this going down, and that is from the 26 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 2: Reuters investigation. There's someone they interviewed named Lulu Bravo, who's 27 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 2: the executive director of the Philippine Foundation for a Vaccination, 28 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 2: who was talking about a dengay fever vaccine that was 29 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: rolled out in twenty sixteen, and because of that rollout, 30 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: there were public concerns about that specific vaccine and a 31 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: lot of skepticism and a lot of social media posts 32 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 2: very similar to this, that we're making people fearful of 33 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 2: that specific vaccine, like maybe you shouldn't take it, and 34 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 2: there were some issues with it. 35 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about it even within our own country, 36 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 3: like things like you know, experiments on you know, African 37 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 3: American populations that we have literally done and the government 38 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 3: has subsidized. I know a lot of black folks that 39 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 3: are friends of mine who didn't take the vaccine because 40 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 3: of those fears, because they think that like there's a 41 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 3: definite possibility that whatever this thing is is not good 42 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 3: for them and is in some way nefarious. 43 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 4: Here's where it gets crazy. Operation Warp Speed did not 44 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 4: accomplish all of the things that wanted to accomplish. In fact, 45 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 4: it stymied some of its own goals. Know, you're talking 46 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 4: about Tuskegee, I imagine we're also talking about various prison experiments, 47 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 4: not all of which have been declassified at this time 48 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 4: in twenty twenty four. Yeah, this happens. This kind of 49 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 4: stuff happens. 50 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 3: And that's what's in our own country. Like, of course, 51 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 3: you know, people, this isn't about our vaccine, but just 52 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 3: the fact that people would be suspicious of a sort 53 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 3: of like you better take this now, better take your medicine, 54 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 3: you know. 55 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 2: Like well, I think I think anytime any government comes 56 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: for it and says, hey, you have to do this thing. 57 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 3: That hasn't really been tested that much, there. 58 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 2: Probably should be some healthy skepticism no matter where you live, 59 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 2: no matter what government is doing it. 60 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 4: I mean with the Americans in particular, though, if you 61 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 4: look at it objectively, all the stuff that the government 62 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 4: is already okay with people shoving in their bodies, you know, 63 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 4: the homa high fructose corn syrup right yellow as you 64 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 4: know what I mean. Anyway, that's I don't know if 65 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 4: that's a helpful point, but it is true. And we 66 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 4: do also have to give a great deal of respect 67 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 4: again to our journalists who broke the story in Reuters 68 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 4: because they're very fair about what they can and cannot prove. 69 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 4: Now they have a lot of read between the line implications. 70 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 4: I think we're talking about this a little off air, 71 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 4: but they they earned a lot of respect, I think 72 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 4: when they noted explicitly that they could not quote determine 73 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 4: how widely the anti vax material another Pentagon planted disinfo 74 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 4: was viewed, or to what extent the post may have 75 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 4: caused COVID deaths by dissuading people from getting vaccinated end quote. 76 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 4: So they're very fair about that. But as we said, 77 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 4: you know, forty three hundred and sixty one people died 78 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 4: of COVID in the Philippines by November of twenty twenty one, 79 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 4: So people were dying and some of those lives could 80 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 4: have been saved by vaccinations. 81 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 3: Can we also point out wasn't Rodrigo Duert It's a 82 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 3: kind of a megaproblematic figure in the president of the Philippines. 83 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 3: He like had some really wild policies about murdering, killing, 84 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 3: executing drug dealers and like some really totalitarian kind of 85 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 3: things that he had. 86 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 4: The tatalitarian drunk stepdad energy for sure. 87 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was twenty sixteen when he got elected same 88 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: year as Donald Trump, and it was that anti drug 89 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 2: campaign with those there were purported death squads that were 90 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 2: then confirmed where people would just go and commit extra 91 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 2: judicial killings of drug dealers or people suspected of taking 92 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 2: drugs or I mean it was. 93 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 4: Not bad, right, it was Judge Dread level kind of stuff. 94 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 4: There was not a rule of law instituted if it 95 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 4: became almost witch hunt like, because an accusation did not 96 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 4: have to be supported by facts. 97 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 3: Well, this quote that you got in here, Ben really 98 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 3: supports exactly what we're talking about, like this kind of 99 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 3: rhetoric that he's putting out. In June of twenty twenty one, 100 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 3: he said in a televised address, you choose vaccine or 101 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 3: I will have you jailed. There is a crisis. And 102 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 3: it's funny because this goes counter to his other policy 103 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,559 Speaker 3: or ideals on drug use or whatever. But in this case, 104 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 3: there is a crisis in this country. I'm just exasperated 105 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 3: by Filipinos not heating the government. 106 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, imagine that in the United States. Imagine if President 107 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 4: Trump or Biden or yeah, I think your favorite or 108 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 4: least favorite president. What if Franklin Pierce stood up one 109 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 4: day and said, everybody, go get this shot or you're 110 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 4: going to be arrested. 111 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 3: Well, because the logistics of enacting something like that starts 112 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 3: to really get into like Nazi level, crystal knock type 113 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 3: rounding up of certain types, you know what I mean. 114 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 3: Like that's when you really start to have to paint 115 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 3: with a megabroadbrush where it's like and then it's so 116 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 3: easy to be lumped in with oh, you know an 117 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 3: and a person that didn't take it, you're just as bad, 118 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 3: And that's when things go haywire. 119 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 2: Well, and it's a weird situation. The entire world is 120 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 2: going through this thing that everybody kind of is on 121 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 2: the same page that this is a global pandemic to 122 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 2: the level of like disaster never civilization might and at 123 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 2: some point if we don't get this under control. 124 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 3: That was the line I mean, it was It was 125 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 3: really I felt that way to a degree, you know, 126 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 3: so it felt very dystopian. 127 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 2: Well, so you can imagine where someone who's used to 128 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: being able to just say, you know, I don't like 129 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: drug dealers, let's kill them all, is exasperated by the 130 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 2: populace not listening to him. Anymore. 131 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 4: Also torn between the the Filipino president is for most 132 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 4: of recent history, is going to be torn between bigger powers, right, 133 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 4: and it absolutely absolutely sucks for the people living in 134 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 4: the Philippines. For you know, we have a lot of 135 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 4: listeners who are in the Philippines or in the Filipino diaspora, 136 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 4: you know. And this is something that I think a 137 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 4: lot of people miss, you know, is the fact that you, 138 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 4: as a president of this power, you are continually threading the. 139 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,679 Speaker 3: Needlephants make war only the grass. 140 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, And speaking of suffering, I'm kidding. That's not 141 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 4: the way to set up an a. 142 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 3: That's fine, It's as good as any other man. This 143 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 3: is all pretty bummer material. 144 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 4: We should note this operation, this program, still as of 145 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 4: yet not officially named, was halted in mid twenty twenty 146 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 4: one under the Biden administration. It was spring of twenty 147 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 4: twenty one when the n SC, the National Security Council, 148 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 4: said hey, guys, stop any anti vaccine messaging, and presumably 149 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 4: you know, this faction of the Pentagon came back and said, yeah, 150 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 4: but you know, like Greater Good and we don't like China. 151 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 4: He told us, you know, we don't like China's we're 152 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 4: we're doing the non China stuff like you guys said 153 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 4: you guys said that, And then they say, okay, no, no, no, 154 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 4: no no, you got to be pro vaccine. You got 155 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 4: to be pro all vaccines. And they're like, yeah, but 156 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 4: what about you. 157 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 2: Know you see me that is that freaks me out 158 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 2: a little bit. You got to be pro vaccine. You 159 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 2: have to be pro all vaccines. Trust me, oh man, 160 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 2: Spring of twenty twenty five. We got a big thing 161 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 2: coming and we need to be pro vaccines. 162 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 3: It's just supposed to show how little actual truth matters 163 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 3: in these kind of situations. It's not about truth. It's 164 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 3: about like toe the line. It's about you know, like 165 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 3: there is nothing here that is contingent upon what is 166 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 3: actually real. It is all about like what is our 167 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 3: goal like in terms of like what are what are 168 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 3: we trying to accomplish? And that usually involved lying or 169 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 3: tricking people. It's not about the greater good at all ever, 170 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 3: mostly Jesus, I'm. 171 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 4: Sorry, we have to The greater good depends upon the perspective, right, 172 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 4: And before we go to an ad break, we'll leave 173 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 4: you with one of my favorite truisms from the Pentagon 174 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 4: we don't lie. The truth changes. We'll pause for word 175 00:09:55,520 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 4: from our sponsors. 176 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 2: And we've returned. Let's get into it. 177 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 4: We don't lie. The truth changes. Let's see what the 178 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 4: experts think. As we said at the top, we want 179 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 4: to be very careful not to denigrate, you know, the 180 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 4: millions of people who work the literal millions of people 181 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 4: who work at the Pentagon who didn't have anything to 182 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 4: do with this, right. I don't think a memo went 183 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 4: out on a Friday where they said, hey, everybody, keep 184 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 4: it under your hat. 185 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 3: Well, but when you have that level of granular kind 186 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 3: of like mission creep and stuff, it's a lot easier 187 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 3: to say I was just following orders. Because your orders 188 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 3: aren't to execute a person. Your orders aren't to put 189 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 3: someone in a camp. Your orders are much more minutely 190 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 3: kind of detailed than that. So even you, as a 191 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,079 Speaker 3: person in acting that order, you don't even see it 192 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 3: because you don't see the big picture. You're siloed so much. 193 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 3: You just see the one little thing you're doing, which 194 00:10:58,520 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 3: might appear innocuous. 195 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of the banality of evil, right, I 196 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 4: think it was Hannah Arright. The The interesting thing here too, 197 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 4: in this exploration is that the majority of people who 198 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 4: do go on record to be identified as individuals from 199 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 4: their statements. They are former employees, right, They're former officials, 200 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 4: or they're academics, they're running a nonprofit or a think tank. 201 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 4: One of these was Greg Trevorton, former US National Intelligence 202 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 4: Council chairman. These are the folks who are kind of, 203 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 4: without sounding dismissive, with great affection. They're sort of the 204 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 4: admin of Washington's spy agencies. 205 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're I mean, come on, they're like above the 206 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 2: sith lords. 207 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 4: Somehow they put together the pizza parties, which is a 208 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 4: position of tremendous. 209 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 2: Power for the sith lords. 210 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 4: Yes, for the right. 211 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 3: What do you think sith lords like on their pizza? 212 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 4: Probably just child's tears. 213 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 3: Well, I would argue, it's like, you know the often 214 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 3: in films, bad guys drink milk. Drink milk, thank you, 215 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 3: Yes exactly. I think they just like straight up extra cheese. 216 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 4: Excuse me, could I have some milk on this pizza? 217 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 3: I'd like you to give me a side of milk 218 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 3: so I can dunk my slice in them and it's 219 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 3: gonna be. 220 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 4: A whole milk, no more sloppy pizzas. 221 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 2: I was about to say, I'll take that milk extra warm, please, 222 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 2: gues directly from. 223 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 3: The mother of justice. 224 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 4: Oh boy, yeah, yeah, she can't see because her eyes 225 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 4: are closed. But or livefold jokes. Whatever, we'll keep it. 226 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 4: So Trevorton said something I think everybody would agree with. 227 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 4: He said, Look, it should have been in our interest 228 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 4: to get as much vaccine in people's arms as possible. 229 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 4: He well, not everybody's interest maybe, but he said the 230 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 4: Pentagon crossed the line by endangering innocent lives for geopolitical gain. 231 00:12:58,320 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 4: I think we can agree with that. 232 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, Greg didn't get the memo that the mRNA test 233 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 2: was going wide, you know, he just didn't know. 234 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 4: Should you buy the pizza party? 235 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 3: Do you think they were only willing to roll the 236 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 3: dice on this campaign geopolitically speaking because they didn't think 237 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 3: they didn't take it seriously enough. Yet they didn't really 238 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 3: foresee how many fatalities might result from this. 239 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 4: I would argue, I don't want to be careful about this. 240 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 4: I would argue that the reasoning was, this is a 241 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 4: new vector that we can use in our ongoing argument 242 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 4: or conflict with China. So this was not necessarily as 243 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,599 Speaker 4: far as the idea of taking it seriously, yes, retrospect 244 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 4: is always a benefit. But to them, in their mind, 245 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 4: this is the US is growing desperate right to counter 246 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 4: this expansionist influence in Southeast Asia, and so any kind 247 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,719 Speaker 4: of foothold or toe hold you can achieve, right, any 248 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 4: kind of beachhead in this situation is worth pursuing. 249 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 3: Did you say beachhead? 250 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? 251 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 3: Is that like a like a D Day kind of 252 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 3: situation like storming the beaches? I don't know, beachhead. 253 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 2: Two conflicting hedgemonic powers. They're like, yeah, they're fighting on 254 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 2: that beach. 255 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 4: Or you know, draw us a picture, what do you 256 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 4: think of? Beachhead looks like a conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com. 257 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 4: And then we've got policy experts like Timothy Caulfield. He 258 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 4: put it much more bluntly when he was speaking to 259 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 4: Scientific American about the news. He said, quote, the United 260 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 4: States government made a conscious decision to spread misinformation that 261 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 4: killed people. 262 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 2: There you go there, So he's not as. 263 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 4: He's not being as diplomatic nor as uh specific as 264 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 4: we are. 265 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 2: Being, yes, exactly. And we also have a reaction from 266 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 2: the Chinese government as well. 267 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. The Chinese Foreign Ministry has has 268 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 4: a lot of on this one email, they said they 269 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 4: oppose actions to politicize the origins question and to stigmatize China. 270 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 4: So the origins question is, you know, the idea of 271 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 4: the provenance of COVID nineteen. Was it a wet market, 272 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 4: was it a lab in wu had was it a 273 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 4: secret government up? If so, which government? Those kind of 274 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 4: questions are pretty sensitive in China just a general. I 275 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 4: wouldn't bring them up if you travel. 276 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 2: There, No, don't do that. No, Well, if you take 277 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 2: your mind back when we think about all of the 278 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 2: various hypotheses that were out there, official like hypotheses about 279 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 2: how COVID nineteen began, Like look at all the episodes 280 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 2: we've done covering the topic, how it has officially changed 281 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 2: so many times, And there was a lot of success 282 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 2: on both the United States part and on China's part 283 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 2: blaming the other side, and lots of official reports that 284 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 2: came out like oh no, there's no way it was this. 285 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 2: Oh wait, the lableak is actually probably right. Oh wait, no, 286 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 2: that's nothing to do, and that's it's it's blasphemous to 287 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 2: say the lableak is real. Oh wait, no, it's right again. 288 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 4: Just in the meantime, nations are panic people weirdly washing 289 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 4: their groceries. Oh well remember that. Yeah, never forget, never forget. 290 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 4: You're right, You're absolutely right. And China did argue with 291 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 4: success that they convince people GOVID originated in the United States. 292 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 4: We are definitely going to see more reactions from the 293 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 4: Chinese government as this story develops. It is not gonna 294 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 4: It is not a fun month for the State Department 295 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 4: or for the people working there. I hope you still 296 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 4: have an okay fourth of July, but it's probably intense, 297 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 4: I don't. I think a lot of people are going 298 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 4: to be working through the holiday. And there's one thing 299 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 4: that we didn't get to yet. I think we're all 300 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 4: very excited about this. Who the heck is General Dynamics it? 301 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 2: Oh, this is the this is the Tampa, Florida folks. 302 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 2: Get it. 303 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 4: That's the abbreviation. And I picture, you know, someone in 304 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 4: Tampa just like busting out of some secret compound and 305 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 4: just yelling, get it. And it's another Florida man's story 306 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 4: that gets ignored. 307 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, in this case, it's followed by it's followed by 308 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 2: get it. This is who we are a global technology 309 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 2: and professional services company that delivers consulting, technology, and mission 310 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 2: services to every major agency across the US government, defense 311 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 2: and intelligence community. 312 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 4: And here we are in our dumb little podcast. They 313 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 4: get a ton of work, you know what I mean, 314 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 4: talk about a good career decision. You have to look 315 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 4: far at all to find them. And for everybody listening along, 316 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 4: what Matt just read to us is a verbatim quote 317 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 4: from the get it website. 318 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all they do, man. They do all kinds 319 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 2: of work for every major agency across the US government, 320 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 2: defense and intelligence community. 321 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 4: I wonder if there's an agency that's like too small 322 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 4: for them, you know, like the Bureau of Land Reclamation 323 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 4: on some good Hoover propaganda and they say. 324 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 2: No ah, nah man that you know, there's so much 325 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 2: work from that agency, from that administration whatever. 326 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, And just for two quick examples, in twenty twenty one, 327 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 4: General Dynamics it got a one hundred and ninety million 328 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 4: dollar contract with the Patent and Trademark Office. And then 329 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 4: in March of twenty twenty four, as we record this evening, 330 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 4: they received a nine hundred and twenty two million dollar 331 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 4: contract to modernize it infrastructure of US Central Command spcom 332 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 4: so and by the way, to be clear, those are 333 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 4: both things that need to happen. That's not skullduggery, right, 334 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 4: that's not insidious. 335 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 2: Think about how many patents the US government has to 336 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 2: make sure that they control before they ever hit market. 337 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 2: Think you're talking about the Patent Office one hundred ninety 338 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 2: million dollar contract. They're just looking through everything going oh, nope, 339 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 2: that's ours, and that's ours. 340 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 4: That's ours. They're they're paying a guy to read all 341 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 4: that stuff. 342 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 2: One ninety million dollars. 343 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 4: I love it. Yeah, I hope's it right to us? Man. 344 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 4: I want to hear We want to hear your thoughts. 345 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 4: It's weird though. It's one of those uber powerful private 346 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 4: entities that most of the public never thinks about. And 347 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 4: make no mistake, they have directly impacted you in one 348 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 4: way or another, most likely without your knowledge. They've hit 349 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 4: your pocketbook because they are These contracts do come from 350 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 4: taxpayer money. So a lethal anti vax campaign is just 351 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 4: one of the many projects that got got because they 352 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 4: you know, it's get it. I'm just spinning this out. 353 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 4: You can also apply for their job a job on 354 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 4: their website. 355 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 3: Just really, what are the pre RECs. What kind of 356 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 3: qualifications are we talking about? 357 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 4: So let's go to If you go to GDIT dot com, 358 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 4: you can hit their nifty little scroll down and you'll 359 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 4: click on careers and they want. 360 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 3: You to Opportunity owned. 361 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, they want you to look at their featured career areas. 362 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 4: This is such a big operation. 363 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 3: It does say I'm interested in and suggestions are cyber 364 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 3: or engineer. 365 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, they have thirty thousand employees. The experts and consultants 366 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 4: who quote extract the power of technology to create immediate 367 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 4: value and deliver or solutions at the edge of innovations 368 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 4: means fainting. I'm like asphyxiating from the ted talk energy there, 369 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. 370 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 3: She extracts the power of technology. 371 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 4: What is disruption? Hmmm? 372 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 2: Ben's Ben is holding to. 373 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 4: It's two things. So you know it's not evil, but 374 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 4: that's that's that's get it. They're they're huge and just 375 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 4: like you know, a microcosm of the D O D. 376 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 4: Not everybody at this company knew about the anti VACS thing, right, 377 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 4: and if if they did, doubtlessly there would have been 378 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 4: a lot of dissent. They would not have wanted that 379 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 4: to happen. 380 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 2: Oh hey, this is a huge point. I just want 381 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 2: to I just remember this, guys. We talked about on 382 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 2: the show a whole lot. The c i A is 383 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 2: prevented legally, officially from targeting American citizens with propaganda. The 384 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 2: United States government cannot target us with spaganda, except they 385 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 2: kind of can, now cause that. 386 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 4: Just be mean, Right, there's a loophole that happened there. 387 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 2: There's a loophole we've mentioned before, but officially they can't 388 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 2: do that. That's why this whole thing was targeted to 389 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 2: people who lived in other countries, right, pretty far away 390 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 2: from the United States. 391 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 3: But there's a trickle down effect that they're hoping for, right, 392 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 3: isn't that the idea? Because of the interconnectedness of the 393 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 3: Internet and all of that, you could argue that by 394 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 3: targeting elsewhere, it will eventually filter down to the online 395 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 3: of us here. 396 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,239 Speaker 4: Borders are strange. 397 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 2: Yes, And to the point that we're building here, I'm 398 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 2: gonna steeple as well. 399 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 3: Guys. 400 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 2: Uh, it doesn't have to be the CIA with using 401 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 2: these disinformation campaigns. It could be another, let's say, federal 402 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 2: agency that is also intelligence by nature. 403 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 3: But is that behold into that particular mandate, right, yeah. 404 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 4: I mean there's also you know, you don't talk about enough. 405 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 4: Maybe we should do a thing about American propaganda abroad 406 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 4: because the domestic US power structure has an adorable way 407 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,360 Speaker 4: of pretending that they're not doing the same things as 408 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 4: other countries constantly Radio Free Asia, Voice of America. Yeah, nonprofit, Okay, anyway, I. 409 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 2: Walked down the street from that one. No, but it 410 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 2: makes me skeptical of the things I am fur and 411 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 2: again right as are saying fur and against. It makes 412 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 2: me skeptical of the things that I even hold dear, 413 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 2: and hopefully it makes you listening think about that skeptically too, 414 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 2: because we could be being targeted not just by our government, 415 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 2: but by any government out they're doing the same kind 416 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 2: of thing. 417 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 3: I try to just let my opinions be guided by 418 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 3: morality and not government rhetoric because I just feel like 419 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 3: it's inherently not to be trusted no matter where it's 420 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 3: coming from. I just don't think they have our best 421 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 3: interests at art, and they're not actually giving us the 422 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 3: full story. Ever, it's not get based on truth, it's 423 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 3: not based on reality. 424 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 4: You don't get the talking points during the eclipse. 425 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 3: Guys question though, with with Duerte, like with his level 426 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 3: of dissatisfaction with his whole thing. Did that have any 427 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 3: geopolitical ramifications? 428 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they continue. We don't know how far it'll go. 429 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 4: And to that point, I'm glad you bring that up 430 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 4: before we close. Bat there was a timy we're talking 431 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 4: about off air that really stood out. Yeah, but those implications, 432 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 4: those consequences. Yeah, we're still in fog of war at 433 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 4: this point. We don't know what's going to happen. 434 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh yeah, I just. 435 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 4: He's no longer president, yes, and neither. 436 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 2: Is Donald Trump at least for another couple of months. 437 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 4: You know who is president of the Philippines. It's irritating 438 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 4: to me. 439 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 3: It's Marcos, like of the Amelda Marcos Marcos's Yes. 440 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 4: Yes, just so. He the current president is Ferdinand Marcos Junior, 441 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 4: street name Bongbong, and he is the second and only 442 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 4: son of the dictator Ferdinand Marcos. 443 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 3: Democracy baby whoo well, hey, democracy rit lords, democracy manifests. 444 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 4: So under Deterte, we talked a little bit about the 445 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 4: hard crackdown the death squads for suspected drug dealers, but 446 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 4: walk us through what stands out about the timing. 447 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 2: Well, the thing The only thing that really stood out 448 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 2: to me is that the US and the Philippines have 449 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 2: this special relationship because of the strategic placement of military 450 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 2: bases naval stuff going on in the Philippines that the 451 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 2: US has. But in twenty sixteen, Donald Trump and du 452 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 2: Terte are both elected. There's that crackdown that we just 453 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 2: mentioned on drugs. The United States officially is not okay 454 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 2: with that, and they decide to cancel a major weapons 455 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 2: deal with the Philippines, which is a huge deal in 456 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 2: itself that the US refused to sell twenty six thousand 457 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 2: assault rifles to the Philippines because of this, and since 458 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 2: since we basically said no and we're trying to slap 459 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 2: their hand use the old stick method, to Terte decided 460 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 2: he was going to get cozy with specifically Russia and China, 461 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 2: who were the you know, geopolitical rivals of the US. 462 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 2: Basically saying, oh, yeah, you're going to use a stick, 463 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,360 Speaker 2: We'll watch what I'm going to do. And he traveled 464 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen to Moscow to visit basically with the 465 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 2: leadership there, with Putin and everyone, to come up with 466 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 2: probably arms deals like that was one of the major things, 467 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 2: but probably other special relationships stuff, right, because he's at 468 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 2: least it would appear from the US's perspective that the 469 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 2: Philippines is moving away from the US at least in 470 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 2: some way, right. 471 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 3: Didn't that a certain point though, Trump kind of like 472 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 3: rhetorically at least support the idea of executing drug dealers. 473 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, yeah, just saying yeah. In that in that administration, 474 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 4: there was a penchant for always supporting what we're seeing 475 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,199 Speaker 4: as authoritarians DRAMs. 476 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, But the US's official position was no, no, Philippines, 477 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 2: don't just kill all your drug dealers. But the weird thing, guys, 478 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 2: I mean, well, I guess, first of all, that's one point, right, 479 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 2: We're not going. 480 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,439 Speaker 4: To sell you weapons to kill letics and people. What 481 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 4: is this the Middle East? 482 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 2: Wait a minute minute, I'm telling you there's all the 483 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 2: while go back to that propaganda episode. As you said, Ben, 484 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 2: that's the one. But the relationship between the US and 485 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 2: Philippines was already like pretty strained at this time as 486 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 2: we're moving into when this disinfo campaign was active. There 487 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 2: was just a weird thing that I wanted to mention 488 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 2: to you guys. In twenty seventeen, as du Terte is 489 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 2: in Moscow, his country, one of the major cities there 490 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 2: in the Philippines is attacked allegedly by isle or isis 491 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 2: to the Islamic State while he's there in Russia making 492 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 2: this arms deal that just feels a little bit strange to. 493 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 3: Me, like convenient. When I say convenient, I mean like 494 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 3: it was. 495 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, it feels a little weird to me. I 496 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 2: don't know if you guys think that maybe I'm really 497 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 2: being super conspiratorial here. It just does feel like from 498 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 2: our past conversations it there's a tendency for a group 499 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 2: that would be considered like a rebel group, right freedom 500 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 2: fighters that are built inside a country where there's a 501 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 2: proxy conflict occurring for that group debility, yeah, plausible deniability, 502 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 2: and that group can then be weaponized in other. 503 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 3: Ways in the other plague type situations. 504 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 2: I'm not saying that's what happened here, just saying it 505 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 2: feels weird to me. 506 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 3: I couldn't agree with you more. 507 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 4: Matt anyway. So with this in mind, you also playing 508 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 4: along with us at home, folks, you probably also see 509 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 4: the kind of things you're talking about, Matt. The interesting timing, right, 510 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 4: the tit for tat the cause and effect and the 511 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 4: feedback loops. We know for sure a couple things we 512 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 4: want to end on first. This program still not officially named. 513 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 4: I'm sure it'll come out. It was far from the 514 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 4: first of its sort. Twenty nineteen Trump administration authorized the 515 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 4: CIA to do a campaign on Chinese social media to 516 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 4: try to turn people against China, which honestly, in twenty 517 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 4: nineteen was not that hard. I'm just saying it was 518 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 4: a low BARTI set. 519 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 3: Well, we also know that there were Russian social media 520 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 3: campaigns that we're designed to sway the election in favor 521 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 3: of Trump, or maybe we know that, maybe we don't, 522 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 3: but it certainly seems like that was likely. All I'm 523 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 3: saying is this idea of they are the ones that 524 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 3: do that. We don't do that. Of course we do that. 525 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 3: Of course we do that, and sometimes we do it 526 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 3: to our own fing people. Hold the phone. Let's take 527 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 3: a quick pause to hear a word from our sponsor, 528 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 3: and then get right back into this topic. 529 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 4: And we've returned. 530 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 2: Guys, I've got one last non sequitur here that I 531 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 2: just discovered. 532 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 3: I bet it's a sequitur. 533 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 2: No, this is non sequar, Okay, fair enough. At the 534 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 2: time when the US is waging this disinfo campaign, the 535 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 2: major vaccines that were being offered by the US were 536 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 2: these brand new mRNA vaccines. Look, this is this is 537 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 2: conspiratorial boys. The version out of China, the cinovac vaccine 538 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 2: was not an m RNA vaccine. They offered their they 539 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 2: made their first one and offered it to the public 540 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three. An mRNA vaccine by China. If 541 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 2: you want to go deep into the rabbit hole, maybe 542 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 2: the US was trying to get mRNA in everybody. 543 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 3: Because because that was a relatively new technique, it was. 544 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 2: A brand new it was untested, it was to test 545 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 2: new Yeah, you know what I mean. 546 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 4: It's like the thing about being a fighter pilot is 547 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 4: you want to be on the second jet. 548 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 3: Well, and it just goes to show the reason people 549 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 3: think things like nine to eleven are a conspiracy because 550 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 3: it was an opportunity to grab something, to make people believe, something, 551 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 3: to make people comfortable in allowing the government to do 552 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 3: something to them. 553 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 2: When we needed a new Pearl harbor, what about a 554 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 2: new American century? 555 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 4: So this program we're talking about just go back to this, 556 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 4: Like again, we've proven it is far from the first 557 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 4: program of its sort. The scary thing is we provably 558 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 4: know also this will not be the last operation of 559 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 4: its sort. Why do we know this because in February 560 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 4: twenty twenty four, get It got another four hundred and 561 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 4: three yeah good, got another four hundred and ninety three 562 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 4: million dollar contract specifically to continue providing clandestine influence services 563 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 4: for the military. We won't know what the fallout is 564 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 4: for years to come, but we know some immediate effects, 565 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 4: some immediate cost of getting caught with your hand in 566 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 4: the cognitive cookie jar. Trust in US institutions is already 567 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 4: very eroded, especially you know with these bizarre Mommy dearest 568 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 4: type moves from Scotis all states. 569 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 3: Do you think more so than in past in the past, 570 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 3: you really do. 571 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 4: Yes, it is not just domestically eroded, but abroad it's eroded. 572 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 4: And that's where it starts to get even it's different 573 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 4: kind of dangerous. 574 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 3: That's when we start losing our privileged position as the 575 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 3: one that can solve the problem. And once we've lost that, 576 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 3: have we not lost our standing as the great superpower? 577 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 3: Isn't that sort of what we're leaning on in all 578 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 3: of this. 579 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 4: We's kind of the martial art philosophy, right, the best 580 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 4: way to win a fight is not have to is 581 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 4: to not have to physically fight. You know, if you 582 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 4: are to the point where you're swinging punches or resorting 583 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 4: to military might, then in a philosophical way, you have 584 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 4: already lost. 585 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 3: And it also goes to show why military spending is 586 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,479 Speaker 3: such a priority, because that is literally all we have 587 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 3: left in terms of like, you know, we need to 588 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 3: be this superpower that cannot be ft with. 589 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 4: Well the economy. I think it's a different kind of 590 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 4: military armament, it's different kind of war. But the US 591 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 4: swings swings big. 592 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 2: But hey, we've got the We've got that navy, right 593 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 2: except for China's giant new aircraft drone carrier thing that 594 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 2: they just built, which is, yeah, who cares. 595 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 3: I mean, Ben says thumbs down, proud of proud of them. 596 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 3: They did it. 597 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 4: You guys did a good It's tough, is good to 598 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 4: build a carrier, and drones are one of the future 599 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 4: paths of warfare, right, so you know, I think it's 600 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 4: a very It might not be the main priority for 601 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 4: the Chinese forces building this, but it will result in 602 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 4: the loss of your Chinese service people's lives, which is 603 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 4: overall a good thing. You know, I don't think that's 604 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 4: necessarily number one in their list when they were saying, 605 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 4: how can we fight US aircraft carriers? But I like 606 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 4: to think it was, you know, in the top five. 607 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 3: Well, that's what I'm saying. It's never benevolence. None of 608 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 3: these things are ever first and foremost benevolence. That comes 609 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 3: as a talking point that you can then push out 610 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 3: and say, look what we did, we're looking out for 611 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 3: human lives. See, But that that was just a byproduct 612 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 3: of the thing that was already a better idea. 613 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. It's a win win for 614 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 4: everyone technically, but it depends on how you define everyone. 615 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 4: Here's what we Here's what we need to drive home 616 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 4: a point that one of us made a little bit earlier, 617 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 4: there is, as we record an active war, you are 618 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 4: taking part of it in some way. It's not taking 619 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,439 Speaker 4: place in the physical sphere. Instead, this is a new 620 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 4: kind of unprecedented conflict, one in which every social media 621 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 4: user is potentially a target, a soldier, and the ground 622 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,760 Speaker 4: upon which this war is waged all at once. Careful 623 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 4: what you click the problem, Make sure careful what you click, 624 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 4: and make sure to ask yourself why someone wants you 625 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:25,479 Speaker 4: to see it? Why is it popping up to you specifically? Yeah, 626 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 4: let's scroll through. 627 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:32,839 Speaker 3: Our You know, I kid myself in saying that I've 628 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 3: trained my algorithm to only show me cool art and 629 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 3: music and synse stuff. But then these other things creep in, 630 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 3: and they do with increasing levels of precision where I 631 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 3: almost don't notice that they're uh gaming me, you know 632 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 3: what I mean? Yeah, And that's that's how that's a 633 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,439 Speaker 3: well trained algorithm when you no longer notice that it's 634 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,239 Speaker 3: this outside influence exactly. 635 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 4: The calls come in from inside the house. 636 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 3: And it's your idea, it was I. 637 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 4: It's not an ad, this is my opinion. Pat on 638 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 4: the back to me, you know what I mean? I 639 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 4: will order Uh, I don't know what's the dumbest thing? 640 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 4: You guys got pizza? Yeah? I got a watermelon because 641 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 4: it is it's the time, you know. 642 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 3: Do you see what I'm saying? 643 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 2: Though, Like, isn't the idea? 644 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 3: Like sort of like we think we're smart, we think 645 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 3: we're savvy Internet users, but if we feed enough information, 646 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,839 Speaker 3: even if it's only through like synth nerd stuff and 647 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 3: music and movies. They will eventually get us to the 648 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 3: point where they can sneak something in that could potentially 649 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 3: weaponize us in their particular. 650 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 4: Cause that's I mean, yeah, that's that's the end goal, 651 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 4: right is Again, good propaganda doesn't create a thing. Good 652 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 4: propaganda finds the things already there that is already inside 653 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 4: or familiar or experiential to you, and then magnifies that 654 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,399 Speaker 4: thing and kind of molds its growth, the same way 655 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 4: that you, like might grow a tree and do a 656 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 4: certain shape by gentle pressure over time. 657 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 3: I just saw the revival production of a Cabaret in 658 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,879 Speaker 3: New York and it's fantastic. If anyone has a chance 659 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 3: to see it, I highly recommend it. Eddie Redmain plays 660 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 3: the MC. I'd never seen the show before, but it's 661 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:30,840 Speaker 3: basically this microcosm of the early days of the Nazi 662 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 3: you know, coming Nazis coming into power, and it's you 663 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,800 Speaker 3: spend the first act with these people in this very queer, 664 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:43,720 Speaker 3: very open nightclub in Berlin, and by the second act, 665 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,760 Speaker 3: these people that you've come to know and love start 666 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 3: to twist their thinking in a way that sort of 667 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 3: makes it okay that the Nazis are coming into power 668 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 3: and The thing that's so interesting about this the way 669 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 3: it's written, is you are also sort of in that boat, 670 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,360 Speaker 3: and it's so easy for that to happen, much easier 671 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 3: than you might think. So be vigilant, is all I'm saying. 672 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 2: I'm really surprised that this story came out at all, 673 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,720 Speaker 2: Like really surprised. It makes the US look super bad. 674 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 4: Careful what you click. Make sure to ask yourself why 675 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,360 Speaker 4: someone wants you to see it. That applies to this 676 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 4: as well for those of us playing along at home. 677 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,439 Speaker 4: You know what I mean, because I had the same 678 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 4: question mat and checking in with some folks. You know, 679 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,880 Speaker 4: it seems that again, it seems like there was a 680 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 4: green light somewhere. But what's the calculus, right, what's the 681 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 4: end game? Why would you green light an active person 682 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,399 Speaker 4: to talk about this anonymously. It's sort of the quote 683 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 4: unquote anonymously. 684 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 3: It's the same question I have when something is quote 685 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 3: unquote declassified. I feel like it's a little like, let's 686 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,360 Speaker 3: just throw a snack to these people that are already suspicious, 687 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 3: to like placate them in some way, you know what 688 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 3: I mean, little conspiracy as a treat Yep. 689 00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be someone being like someone trying to say, hey, 690 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 2: by the way, we did this and you didn't know. 691 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, like you know, Like how I may have come 692 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 4: off sounding dismissive of the four Russian ships that were 693 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,919 Speaker 4: approaching Cuba and when they did that not much later, 694 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 4: one of the most dangerous craft on the planet, a 695 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 4: US nuclear sub surface right off Norway. Their locations are 696 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 4: highly secure. You're not supposed to know where they're at. 697 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 4: So that was popping a flex. So why is this 698 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 4: a flex? If so, to what end I do? I 699 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 4: do have one conspiracy for US. 700 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 2: And on since wait, you knew where the sub was? 701 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,239 Speaker 4: No, no one knows where the subs are. 702 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,919 Speaker 3: Okay, But but but to your point, something leaks like this, 703 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 3: what is the reason? And I have fully not thought 704 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,319 Speaker 3: about that. But I'm on board with this thinking at this. 705 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 4: Point it'll be an interesting time to pay attention to 706 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 4: more things that don't make the headline or fade into 707 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 4: the background. One more conspiracy. Just as we said as 708 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,839 Speaker 4: a treat the last thing we talked about her very 709 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,359 Speaker 4: briefly here. It is so important to note that some 710 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,239 Speaker 4: of these fake accounts are more than five years old, 711 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 4: because they. 712 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 3: Know in the next chess moves. They're already thinking. 713 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,840 Speaker 4: About it this way. I think it's important teaches us 714 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,839 Speaker 4: a frightening fact. These were either back pocketed. These were 715 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 4: definitely back pocket accounts. It means one of two things. 716 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 4: They were either used in previous still unrevealed or still 717 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 4: classified operations, or they were lying in wait for the 718 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,399 Speaker 4: right time, opportunistic right So either option shows us some 719 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 4: ugly stuff the US government doesn't want you to know. 720 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,960 Speaker 4: And make no mistake, we say this as Americans. Every 721 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,399 Speaker 4: other government is doing the same thing. 722 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 3: They're running the numbers, they're running the simulations. They're like 723 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 3: looking at all of possible what's the word outcomes, they're 724 00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,919 Speaker 3: all possible contingencies, and then they have versions of those 725 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,479 Speaker 3: things ready to be deployed at any given time. 726 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,160 Speaker 2: Good guy, guys, we're going through another presidential election, Like 727 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 2: what do we think is happening right now on across 728 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,480 Speaker 2: all across social media accounts here in the US. 729 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,280 Speaker 3: And yet what we're seeing right now is an example 730 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 3: of at least a party being caught with their pants 731 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,800 Speaker 3: down in a very interesting way that shows that maybe 732 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,239 Speaker 3: the party isn't as thinking as far ahead as we 733 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 3: think they are, or or yeah. 734 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,400 Speaker 4: So again, the existence of these things, the age of 735 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:41,160 Speaker 4: these bots, doesn't jibe with the narrative as it's being presented. 736 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,279 Speaker 4: Right again, I want to go back to those two 737 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 4: frightening facts. You're either there showing premeditation or their vestiges 738 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,799 Speaker 4: from a previous operation. There is ugly stuff the US 739 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,359 Speaker 4: government doesn't want you to know, and we want your 740 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,400 Speaker 4: help to find it. If you want to speak to 741 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,480 Speaker 4: us off the record, on the record, give yourself a 742 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,759 Speaker 4: cool nickname. We would love to hear from you. We 743 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,560 Speaker 4: would love to hear your thoughts. What is the ultimate calculus? 744 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,719 Speaker 4: What is the shell game here? Shell game there? 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