WEBVTT - How PCP Works 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:03.440 Hey, everyone, Josh and Chuck here to remind you that 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:06.040 our last three shows of the year. Boy, this is 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:08.799 a good show this year are taking place very soon 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:10.120 and tickets are still available. 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:12.400 Yeah, so get in the saddle and come out and 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:16.200 see us partners in Orlando, Atlanta, and Nashville. 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:18.720 Just go to stuff youshould know dot com and click 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:20.520 on the tour link and you can get all your 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:25.279 tickets right there. Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:29.400 production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:35.440 Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh and there's 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:38.279 Chuck and Jerry's here too, and this is Stuff you 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:40.600 should Know about PCP. 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:44.199 And yes, we're talking about the PCP. You think we're. 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:49.160 Talking the one from the if you were a child 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:51.360 of the seventies and eighties, where you heard that your 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:55.640 friend's friend's cousin did it and they carve their face 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:58.080 off with a butcher knife and then jumped off a 0:00:58.080 --> 0:00:59.200 building so they thought they could fly. 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:03.480 Yes, as a matter of fact, that's exactly the PCP 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:08.000 we're talking about, Yeah, which stands for By the way, 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:10.160 I'm gonna attempt this chemical name. 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:13.440 You're ready, This one's easy, no pressure. 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:17.480 Okay, I don't know how to say the ones. So 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:21.000 I'm just gonna that's I think it's kind of important 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:23.720 chemically speaking. I think they didn't just put part of 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:26.319 it in parentheses for nothing. But I'm just gonna call 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:31.080 it one one fennel cyclo hexel, pepper dye and those 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:34.480 in the number dye pipper dye, piper dye, probably piper dyne. 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:38.240 I think it's those in the know who don't smoke PCP. 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:45.880 But oh, I actually took out a syllable this time. 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:47.720 Oh man, this is gold. 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:53.280 So the people who study it call it fen cyclodine, okay, 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:55.200 with a pH because it's fat. 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:58.720 Yeah. And if you if you're wondering, like, oh, why 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:01.840 do people even study this old street drug from the seventies, 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:06.560 it's because it wasn't always that. It was kind of 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:08.920 the precursor to the ketamine in a lot of ways, 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:11.920 which we'll talk about here and there. And if you 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:15.960 think people study ketamine the party drug, well that's true too, 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:21.320 because both PCP and ketamine had legitimate uses and were 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:26.520 created for legitimate uses like mini drugs, yeah, recreational drugs. 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:31.880 The Germans gave us both heroin and PCP. I think 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:37.200 in nineteen twenty six, German chemists created PCP. I'm not 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:39.480 sure what they were creating it for. I think this 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:42.920 is a time of experimentation in chemistry where you just 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:46.080 put stuff together and saw what happened. Sure, So it 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:50.280 sat on the shelf for almost thirty years before Park Davis, 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:53.600 a pharmaceutical company from the United States which is now 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:56.840 part of Pfizer. I believe they came along and they said, Hey, 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:02.320 this would be a gangbuster's tranquilizer sedative something. Let's forget 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:03.960 out what to do with this because I just smoke 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:06.480 some out back and I feel like a million bucks. 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:08.600 Yeah, I gotta tell you, we should use this stuff. 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:11.160 So they looked at it as an anesthetic at first, 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:12.760 and I think it first came to market in like 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:17.519 the mid fifties, and by nineteen sixty five they had 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:18.600 removed it. 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:19.639 From the market. 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:21.880 The reason they removed it from the market is one 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:25.560 it showed very quickly it had a high potential for abuse, 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:28.200 because the hippies in San Francisco started smoking it before 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:32.280 there was even hippies in San Francisco. Yeah, and it 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:36.280 had a slew of side effects that you just really 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:39.680 don't want, which is one of the reasons why we'll 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:42.240 say you probably shouldn't do PCP. 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:46.000 Yeah, we should have led with that. Sure, Like what 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:49.720 if someone heard the first what is this four minutes 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:50.880 of the episode. 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:52.440 It turned it out, they're like, I gotta go try PCP. 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:56.760 Yeah, because Josh and Chuck said it exists, right, Yeah, 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:59.320 don't do PCP, everybody, you shouldn't do that. And this 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:04.040 is not, you know, coming as a sort of satanic, 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:07.600 panicky eighties you're gonna jump off a building because you 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:10.040 think you can fly kind of thing. It's just not 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:14.480 a drug you want to do. So, like you said, 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:17.000 you know, uses, well, I don't think we've even said it. Yes, 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:20.200 uses really dropped off over the years. It was a 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:23.080 very much a bigger deal in the nineteen seventies and eighties. 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:27.560 I think stats that the Grabster found for US saw 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:32.200 that between seventy six and seventy seven, use among high 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:36.680 school students doubled. In a nineteen seventy nine study, seven 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:41.560 percent of high school seniors reported having used PCP in 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:44.599 the last year. In twenty thirteen that was down to 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:48.440 less than one percent, and then in twenty twenty. Though 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:51.479 the stats are a little bit different. I think it 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:54.479 went down to like point zero zero zero two percent 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:58.040 of the country, not just high school students. 0:04:57.680 --> 0:04:58.800 So of adults. 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:03.160 Yeah, like fifty two thousand people. Well, adults, it's just 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:03.880 twelve and over. 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:06.839 Hey, you're old enough to smoke PCP. You're old enough 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:08.040 to be considered an adult. 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:09.440 That's right. But you can't vote. 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:13.240 It doesn't matter what age you are. If you smoke 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:15.359 a lot of PCP, you probably shouldn't vote anyway. 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:17.400 Right. Oh, I thought you're gonna say, then you've earned 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:18.200 the right to vote. 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:20.680 No, No, I think the opposite. 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:20.920 Maybe. 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:21.360 I don't know. 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:26.320 So all that to say, it used to be a pretty, 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:31.120 you know, frequent recreation, recreational street drug, and it has 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:34.400 really really gone out of fashion, in large part because 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:38.520 ketamine is not the same exact thing, but it's it's 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:41.479 largely the same thing, and that became I guess, the 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:43.800 trendier drug to use. 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:48.520 Yes, but it has remained in fashion in certain pockets, 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:52.920 especially like deep in the inner cities of Washington, d C. 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:55.960 Oh, yeah, Kansas City, Okay. 0:05:56.240 --> 0:06:02.680 I believe it's a town in Connecticut, Hartford. 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:05.960 I don't know if it's Hartford, but there's at least 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:08.800 two towns in Connecticut that have interesting a lot of 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:12.240 PCP use and they think I read this really great 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:16.279 article and vice about why America is the only country 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:20.760 in the world basically literally where people use PCP still 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:24.000 or ever ever, but it's still as well. Ever, yeah, 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:26.520 it never really made it out of America. It was 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:29.159 written by Max Daley and sam Irravani. It's definitely worth 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:32.080 a read. But they say, one of the reasons why 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:34.000 it's so overlooked and one of the reasons why it's 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:35.719 not that studied, and one of the reasons why you're 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:38.320 just like, yeah, ketamine replace it is because the people 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:42.680 who do use it tend to be marginalized. Unemployed, black 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:47.280 inner city men ages mid twenties to mid fifties are 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:50.960 typically the people who get busted for PCP. So it's 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:54.159 kind of like this viewed as this drug that like 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:57.680 a drug of inequality, I think. 0:06:57.680 --> 0:06:58.600 Is how they put it. 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:01.919 And that'll come up late too, because some of the 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.120 myths around it seem to be tied to the people 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:04.840 who use it. 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:09.160 Now, I'm not a very smart person, but if if 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:12.080 there are like two towns or two cities in Connecticut 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:15.280 that are known for PCP, still doesn't that just mean 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:18.720 there's someone in two towns in Connecticut that are making PCP. 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:22.080 So no, almost all of the PCP in the world, 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:24.960 because it's almost all of the PCP in the United 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:29.920 States are still controlled and made by black street gangs 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:31.800 in LA, like crips, bloods. 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:32.880 It's weird. 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:35.080 Then, how does it get to these two weird specific 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:36.640 places in Connecticut right now? 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:40.200 Those cities that still do and have always smoked PCP 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:44.400 it's always been around, are cities that have like clearly 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:47.240 some way or another, very deep ties to those same 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.440 LA street gangs. Because it's really hard to distribute PC, 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:54.320 really hard, So for it to show up in Connecticut 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:57.640 from LA, there's some there's like somebody's cousin lives there 0:07:57.640 --> 0:07:59.200 and is controlling the PCP market. 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:00.960 They're getting it to actually from. 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:04.800 Somebody in LA who knows a chemist who will go 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:07.320 out into the desert and make hm PCP all day long. 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:09.720 Oh oh, that makes sense because I just I don't know. 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:11.440 It seems like there would be like a Walter Whitton 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:13.560 Connecticut or something, but they're still out in the desert. 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:16.400 Yes, supposedly it's all coming out from LA. 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:22.080 All right. Well, in seventy eight is when the United 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:24.920 States government said, all right, this thing is officially a 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:30.040 scheduled to controlled substance, which means, you know a lot 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:32.200 of things we've talked about the different drug schedules, but 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:36.520 it means that its prevalence of abuse is a big deal, 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:40.280 and that it can be addictive, and you know, it's 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:44.200 ranked right up there with cocaine and crystal meth and 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:46.400 stuff like that, which I think we've covered all those before. 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:49.400 Yeah, and in fact, it shares a precursor drug, pyrad dene, 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:54.600 with crystal meth. But it's not that, No, it is not, 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:58.120 and it actually does have anesthetic effects. Like one of 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:01.760 the side effects of in ingesting PCP one way or 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:05.800 another is like, not only do you not really feel pain, 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:10.439 you don't experience pain because you're disassociated from your body. 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:16.280 It's a disassociative, hypnotic sedative essentially, and one of the 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:22.200 reasons why, sure, you have to add the essentially though 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:27.040 comma essentially sure, but one of the reasons why PCP 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:32.320 and ketamine were first brought to market was because they 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:35.480 produce sedative effects, like you don't really know what's going 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:37.800 on after a certain dose. You're not really with it. 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:40.720 You actually can fall into a coma with your eyes open, 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:45.440 but it doesn't slow your heart rate or pulse or. 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:46.160 Anything like that. 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:49.960 So it really made a Ketamine in particular, found a 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:56.400 great use as a battlefield sedative for surgery in like Vietnam, 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:59.480 where somebody might have lost a lot of blood. They 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:04.960 couldn't hand a traditional sedative or anesthesia, so they gave 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:08.120 them ketamine and it did the same trick without dropping 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:09.439 their blood pressure even further. 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:13.200 Yeah, and and what's good for the battlefield is good 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:16.480 for the rave. But it makes total sense, you know 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:18.560 because if you were like, as far as the rave 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:20.720 culture goes or went, I don't think is that still 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:24.079 a thing? Even I it's got to be somewhere. 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:24.760 It isn't. 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:27.439 It's it's coming back soon because the nineties are so 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:28.160 hot right now. 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:33.120 Yeah, somebody's out there raven with their big they're not 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:38.120 bell bottoms. Even did this have a name? No, it 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:40.480 was just like the pants that had like like two 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:44.160 foot what's it called there at the bottom with what's 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:46.719 the bottom of your pants, like called the cuff cuff. 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:49.200 The bottom of those big pants. 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:52.679 Yeah, they didn't, but the whole leg was like that. Essentially, 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.199 it was just the waste that was a generally normal size. 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:57.800 The legs were huge. Believe me, buddy, I had more 0:10:57.840 --> 0:10:58.559 than one pair of those. 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:01.040 I thought they flared. Anything to see you in a 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:01.480 pair of those. 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:04.280 I had some cool ones too, but I also had 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:05.280 some uncool ones. 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:08.160 We used to when we lived in these warehouses in 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:11.240 the West end of Atlanta and ninety nine two thousand 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:15.760 would and this is that was a big rave loft 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:19.480 over there, Like people would drive from different states to 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:22.000 go to these things, thousands of kids, and we used 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.920 to just sit around and play pavement and laugh and 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:26.600 make fun of them in those pants. 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:29.360 And they were doing ketamine, ketamine, ketamine, and you're. 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:32.000 Like, like those losers probably, But where I was going 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:34.320 with all this was I guess it makes sense why 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:37.080 the PCP and ketamine and that kind of thing would 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:40.480 have been because you know, you feel funky, but it 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:42.520 doesn't like slow you down, essentially. 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:44.439 No, And in fact, it can actually increase your heart 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:46.320 rate and do all sorts of other weird stuff to you. 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:49.160 And what's really odd about. 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:55.000 It is that it has a lot of paradoxical effects 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:57.360 on humans. I say, we talk a little bit about 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:00.240 how it impacts the brain, and I think that it'll 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:00.800 become apparent. 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:02.720 What do you think, Yeah, let's do it. 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:08.319 So it's it's considered a N methyl d aspirate antagonist. 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:14.360 NMDA antagonists and NMDA receptors are really important as far 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:21.360 as things like memory formation, neuroplasticity, very important stuff. But 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:27.520 what they they're triggered by glutamate. And what PCP does 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:31.640 is it prevents those ndm A receptors from accepting glutamate 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:37.000 and hence firing. And because there's either more glutamate or 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:39.800 less glutamate in your body, I think less glutamate floating 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:42.440 around is what it is. A Whole host of other 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:47.080 stuff happens, like dopamine and nourep and ephyrin get released, 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:52.040 those two and serotonin their reuptake is inhibited, so they're 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:54.560 floating around in your your brain even longer. 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:56.960 So that's all the good feely stuff, right. 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:05.000 Your opioid receptors are stimulated as a result, your nicotinic receptors, 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:10.280 which control things like your neural muscular activity rapid neural 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:18.080 transmission essentially, and then your muscarinic activity, which includes like breathing, 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:22.560 your pupil's salivation. All these things are going haywire. And 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:24.959 then what else is weird about it is that your 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:30.480 central nervous system can be both depressed and excited by 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:33.480 this same drug. This is how this is how nuts 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:35.640 and effect it has on your brain, so that you 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:40.800 can cycle between like utter sedation to the point of catatonia, 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:47.199 and between that and serious agitation where like you see 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:51.880 you know, videos of people who are being arrested and 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:54.760 they're not like hitting the ground even though they're getting 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:57.320 sprayed in the face of bear spray because they're so 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:00.880 on like a rant. So it has like all these 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:03.280 really crazy effects, but it all comes down to the 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:07.120 fact that it affects your ability to receive glue tomate 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:09.000 in your NMDA receptors. 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:12.080 Yeah, and we'll talk a bit more about that sort 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:16.400 of reputation as like a superhuman strength, like you know, 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:19.200 takes twelve cops to subdue someone on PCP thing. And 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:23.480 a little bit what were those people on those videos 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:27.200 that you sent me? Okay, so Josh sent me some 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:31.640 videos and people I guess the next day or whatever 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:34.000 on ketamine or I assume it was the next. 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:37.000 I think it was hours later. It was like hours afterwards. 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:40.560 Yeah, yeah, And they were almost all of them when 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:44.240 they were walking like down the sidewalk or whatever, had 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:47.880 this backward lean as if they were walking up like 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:50.760 a very very steep hill, but it was on solid ground. 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:54.120 And then the one guy if it was a very 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:56.840 slight incline on the sidewalk and he would take a 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.360 few steps up and then take a few back, and yeah, 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:01.960 he had. They were all having a hard time, and 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:04.840 it was just I don't know, it's just sad to 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:09.600 see someone in that sort of a stupor around in 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:12.040 the daylight when people are going to work and stuff. 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:15.680 Right, Well, the thing that really kind of makes it 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:20.160 worth watching is they're with it enough to know that 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:23.080 they shouldn't be walking weird in public, and they need 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.000 to tell they suspect that they might be. 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:27.400 So it's kind of funny in a way, but it's 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:29.480 really not when you really think about it. 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:30.880 You know, well, watching. 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:32.440 Them play it off or try to play it off 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:35.600 and just fail utterly at it, that's that's objectively funny 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:36.160 to see it. 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.600 Well, And it doesn't help that they did the Staying 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:43.360 Alive Beg's song cut to it. We used to there 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:48.320 was my friend in college used to call not on drugs, 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:50.960 but if you were drunk and you were trying to 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:53.480 like play it off like you were super sober and 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:57.520 walking around. He called that sugarfooting, like you're just you're 0:15:57.560 --> 0:15:59.560 not just like, oh, I'm just gonna walk down the 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:05.120 street thinking left foot, right foot, everything's fine, exactly. You 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:07.040 called it sugarfoot in, which always thought was kind funny. 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:09.520 Yeah, there's a term for that, a medical term for it, 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:14.000 choreo something. I'm sure I'll turn it up at some point, 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:18.920 But basically, it's unwanted muscle movement. So you're trying to 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:23.040 just walk, but you're also doing like you're also just 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:27.160 just like you're dancing, says, even though you don't mean 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:28.920 to and you're trying really hard not to. 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:29.800 Yeah, exactly. 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:32.720 So one of the that's one of the side effects 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:35.720 of it, is these unwanted muscle movements. And then also 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:39.600 for that reason, in San Francisco, when it first started 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:44.520 being abused on the street, the hippies called it wobble weed. Oh, yeah, 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:47.040 which makes a lot more sense now that you you 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:48.720 know a little bit more about it. 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:52.560 Yeah, And we'll talk about the association with marijuana too, uh, 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:55.680 in a little bit. But why don't we take a break? Yeah, yep, 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:59.120 all right, we'll put on staying alive and we'll stumble 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:25.560 up the sidewalk and we'll you right back, all right. 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:27.760 So we talked a little bit about what PCP does 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:30.280 to you and sort of in the brain, and also 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:35.400 how you can sugar foot up the street. But it's 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:37.960 not like, uh, even though it was used as an anesthetic, 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:41.720 that that association with sleepiness isn't accurate. 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:43.879 Right, No, it's not. 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:47.120 And like I said, you can go catatonic with your 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:50.239 eyes open, but you're still able to move around and 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:52.359 do things that you just shouldn't be doing. Like I 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:55.040 saw that people will frequently, like try to get off 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:56.720 a stretcher even though they're catatonic. 0:17:57.160 --> 0:17:57.800 Yeah. 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:01.199 And the reason why it's it's a dissociate and you 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:06.560 feel not connected to your body. Your senses are coming 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:09.840 in hot and weird and not making any. 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:10.679 Sense to you. You know. 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:15.159 It removes ego boundaries, so your feeling of self and 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:17.480 the distinction between you and other people and the rest 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:19.640 of the world around you and the supernatural has kind 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:21.000 of blurred or fallen away. 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:25.160 Right. I've heard dreamlike from well, to be honest, I've 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:27.280 known people have done this and they've said dream like. 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:28.919 I can I could imagine that. 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:30.600 And then also, one of the other things I saw 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:33.160 that I thought it was just fascinating is that it's 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:36.320 it makes it difficult to tell whether an event has 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:39.720 already happened in the past, is going to happen in 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:41.320 the future, or is happening. 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:45.280 Now right, the whole time time jump thing, right, Yeah. 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:45.800 Isn't that nuts? 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:46.639 Yeah? 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:49.800 And then of course, because it's a hypnotic sedative that 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:54.240 affects your your NMDA receptors that are involved in memory formation, 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:59.040 you you frequently black out even though you're walking around 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:03.639 doing stuff and even interacting, you probably aren't going to. 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:04.439 Remember most of it. 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:08.600 Yeah, big memory impacts. And the stuff comes on very 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:13.119 quickly too, which is one of the I think the historically, 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:17.600 like the most addictive kind of recreational street drugs are 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:21.280 ones that are really fast acting, and PCP is definitely 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:24.359 one of those. What I didn't see, or maybe I 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:26.720 just overlooked it is how long it lasts. 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:29.960 It can last for twenty four hours. 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:32.879 Right, it's a long lasting deal. Okay, that's right. I 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:35.160 did read that because I remember, like when we did 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:38.160 the crack episode. I think I always thought that crack 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:40.280 was some long term thing, but was shocked to learn 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:42.280 it was just like a super quick high. 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:44.800 Yeah, and I think this can be, but it depends 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:45.360 on how. 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:48.119 You take it, right, Should we talk about that? 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:50.320 Yeah, there's different ways you can take it, So let's 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:50.960 talk about that. 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:54.399 Yeah, it used to be in the earlier days it 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:56.639 was like a liquid PCP a lot of times that 0:19:56.680 --> 0:20:02.040 you would take orally, but very quickly. The most recreational 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:06.119 use users used it like it came in like a 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:09.040 crystalline powder, and they would typically smoke it or snort 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:12.840 it like a heroine or a cocaine, I guess, And 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:16.360 that became sort of the main way aside from and 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:18.560 again I said earlier we were going to talk about 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:22.719 the Marijuana Association, that was dipping a marijuana joint or 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:28.480 just a regular cigarette, and liquid PCP has you can 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:30.480 do that with a lot of drugs are called wet drugs, 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:34.840 and it's it's a thing. And there was some confusion 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:38.760 about the names because I heard I knew what SHRM 0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:44.080 was because I'd heard that in a movie from Tuarantina movie, 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:49.320 which one was that really yeah movie. I think it 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:54.360 was the one he wrote, only was it true romance 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:57.240 or maybe it was pulp fiction. It was Sam Jackson, 0:20:57.440 --> 0:20:58.720 and he wasn't introu or. 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:00.840 No, I don't believe he was scared anyway. 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:03.919 You smoke enough sherms something something something was the line. 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:06.760 And that's the first time I had heard that word. 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:12.439 But that's a cigarette that was dipped in embalming chemicals 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:14.720 and I think kind of like a prison drug a 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:16.720 lot of times, because that was something that you could 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:21.280 get apparently easier than you know, regular hard drugs. And 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:25.359 I think for a time that was like PCP was 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:29.399 sometimes mixed with embalming fluid. Sometimes the just names were 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:32.080 used interchangeably. There was a lot of confusion in the 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:37.359 media about embalming fluid and PCP. Yeah, and I think, 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:39.080 I mean, I read a lot about it today, and 0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:41.680 where I landed was sometimes it might have been mixed 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:45.400 with PCP, but sometimes people were smoking inbalming fluid as well. 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:48.480 So what I found from my research is that so 0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:50.400 this is a big thing in like the mid nineties 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:55.160