WEBVTT - Tangled Strands of Justice w/ Orfeh 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.960 Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.760 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:07.640 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:10.240 These episodes are based on. These are our stories. 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:30.800 Done done, Hello and welcome to That's Messed Up, an 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:32.040 SVU podcast. 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:35.880 I'm Kara Klank and I'm Liza Traeger. Happy New Year. 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:38.000 I guess it's been a while. 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:41.000 We recall the second Well, this is the second episode 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:42.960 to really come out in the New Year, or maybe 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:45.040 the third. It's the third, but this is our first 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:47.560 time like recording. You guys know, we're time machine and everything. 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:49.400 Plus it was the holidays and we were we had 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:51.199 to record stuff in advance so we could live our 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:52.120 lives for the holiday. 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:53.320 And now we're back. 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:57.160 We're back, and we talked SVU True Crime, we talked 0:00:57.200 --> 0:01:01.880 to celeb guests, and up top we catch up. You know. Yeah, 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:04.600 this was the longest we hadn't recorded ever. I feel 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:06.360 like we really took a holiday break. 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:07.800 I didn't. It was a real break. 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:10.160 But you know what's comical, all this stuff. I was like, 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:12.080 and I'm gonna catch up on this. I'm gonna watch 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:13.800 all of that. I'm gonna take notes on that, and 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:16.759 it's like, honey, if I did anything besides watch Real 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:20.679 Housewives of Miami, like I don't even think one task, 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:23.080 it felt it really. 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:23.759 Did feel incredible. 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:26.800 I'd never feel like my life is too overwhelming or stressful, 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:30.959 but doing nothing nothing felt great. And my parents are 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:33.680 obsessed with me. So then they are like, you deserve it. 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:38.120 You know, they like me doing nothing, feeding you grapes. 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:42.000 I you know, everyone that has a kid listening to 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:44.800 this podcast knows this is the worst time of the year. 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:49.760 It's just seventeen full days of no childcare for my children, 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:53.440 and we all got sick at Christmas. My kids both 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:55.160 had ear infections in both ears. 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:56.320 I was sick. 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:58.920 I just got out of it because I finally got 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:00.840 a doctor to give me an a bio. Why are 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:02.640 they withholding I don't know the antibiotics. 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:06.200 It's like, it's not that your mom just give you prescriptions. 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:09.000 She sometimes will, but she sometimes is like, I really 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:11.440 think you should see your doctor. You know, she just 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:14.200 tries to be a little bit like you know she does. 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:15.919 I mean she called in pink eye drops for my 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:18.600 kids immediately they didn't really get pink eye. But then 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:20.760 our friends got all got pink eye. Oh my god, 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:22.119 my god. Yeah, great nightmare. 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:25.320 Well I used to get pink eye. It's my nightmare. 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:27.240 Like I had it once when I was like eleven, 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:29.160 and I just still remember the feeling of like my 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:31.440 eye being shut and not being able to open it 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:34.240 and like I ugh. Anyway, we didn't really get it. 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:36.840 My kids got a little bit of like, uh, the 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:38.360 start of it, and we did the drops and it 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:39.639 like never really materialized. 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:41.120 It never got to full pink. How did they get 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:42.680 your characters? Are they swimming? 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:42.920 Like? 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:44.359 I don't understand how this happened. 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:44.480 No. 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:47.239 I think it's like you get congested and then she 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:49.799 goes into your ear drums and it's just like kids 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:50.480 just get them. 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:50.960 I don't know. 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:53.079 Like I brought Rosie on a lark because I knew 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:55.760 Oscar something was wrong, and I brought Rosie just to 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:57.480 be like check her out too, and her ear infection 0:02:57.600 --> 0:02:59.880 was worse than his. The doctor was like looking at them, 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:01.560 grading them out of ten, and she was like, well, 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:03.040 that's a ten out of ten and your daughter and 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:06.160 I was like great, cool. She was barely complaining about it. 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:07.920 But they've taken their antibiotics. 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:09.160 They're all good. They're on the men. 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:11.640 We were all getting over Like, I mean, I've been 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:13.799 reading about this on like Twitter and online and stuff, 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:17.840 like everybody has these this like two week illnesses right 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:21.600 now that like they can't shake, like coughs, congestion, whatever, 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:24.200 And I'm at the tail end of mine. So I 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:27.120 feel good now, but oh my god. Anyway, We've done 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:29.120 a lot of fun stuff with our kids. It's been fun, 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:30.239 but it's just like. 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:33.320 Fuck, Like would you go into the Natural History Museum 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:34.600 Natural History Museum. 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:37.360 We've gone into like other kids places like the Southern 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:42.240 California Children's Museum, the Kids Space. Uh, there's this place 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:46.160 called Peekaboo near us where like our babysitter takes them sometimes. 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:49.040 I messaged you, Karra, was it the day after Christmas 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:52.880 or something where you posted five stories about the Bob 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:54.640 Baker marionettes And I was like. 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:55.120 I love it. 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:58.360 You have not posted about anything this much, not even 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:01.600 our own podcast. It was just like story after a 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:03.119 story of these marionettes. 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:04.920 So cute. I don't know. 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:06.800 I just like I took a bunch of pictures and 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:08.640 I was like, these are my best five, and so 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:11.080 I post sent them in my stories and Lisa was 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:13.280 immediately like, fuck, are they paying you? 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:15.160 And I was like no, I just like it. 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:18.200 Well, because our friend Jaron was in San Diego posting 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:21.880 about a hotel often and I went, is this a sponsorship? 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:22.400 Yeah? 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:23.520 They gave me the room for free. 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:25.680 And I was like, on con because he kept being 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:28.280 like and then they have this and look at this gym. 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:29.680 I'm like, what am happening? 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:31.800 I wish I could say I was sponsored by Bob 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:35.800 Baker's Marionette Theater, the oldest Marionette theater in the country, 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:39.719 by the way, everybody, if you're interested in Marionette, really, yeah, 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:41.000 they say it at. 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:42.679 The beginning of the show. They're like, we're the oldest 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:45.080 working Marionette theater. I mean, I can't imagine there's a 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:49.200 ton of Marionette theaters everywhere. But anyway, we've taken our 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:51.160 kids to do lots of shit. And I will say 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:53.119 I've caught up on a lot of television. I watched 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:56.080 all of White Lotus everybody it's happened, I've watched them. 0:04:56.839 --> 0:05:00.360 But I have an amazing question. This is he's gonna 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:04.000 stump and fuck people up. I think what's the better 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:10.760 theme song? White Lotus or SVU. Oh, isn't that break 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:11.239 or brain? 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:13.119 That's breaking my brain? 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:15.240 Because you know what happened is like I was on 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:19.160 TikTok for some reason and I saw a DJ like 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:22.359 mixing the White Lotus theme song into like a dance tune, 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:23.839 and I was like, fuck the slaps. 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:26.640 That theme song is really fun. 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:29.640 I mentioned White Lotus on a set a while ago, 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:31.960 and at my walk off music they played the White 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:34.839 Lotus theme and it was just like, my god, it 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:37.960 just is good. But SVU is so good too, and 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:40.400 it gives me the same I want to dance. I 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:42.640 would never fast forward. This is so good. 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:46.279 Also, the White Lotus one is such an earworm, like 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:48.400 it's been in my head for like a day at 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:50.240 a time where I'm like, oh my god, stop like 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.760 stop making the noises of the White Lotus song. Whereas 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:55.800 I so I do feel like if I had to 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:59.040 listen to it for twenty four years, I might not 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:01.839 like it as much as the SVU theme song, which 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:04.160 has never bothered me in twenty four years and the 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:05.240 amount that I watch it. 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:08.240 It's just like, you know, so I don't know to. 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:11.920 That baby on the internet that went to the two 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:16.520 Themes song. We did post that, and thank you all 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:19.320 for sending us that as well. Love so many gifts, 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:21.359 well so many so to us. We get all this 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:24.320 SVU stuff and I am so guilty of this I sent. 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:26.559 I can't believe I keep talking about our friend Jared, 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.359 but I sent him this. There's a place in New 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:32.920 York where it's make your own charcuterie board, and it's like, like, 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:35.279 I think it's a great idea, actually, but you go 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:37.320 in and you just pick stuff like Chipotle and they 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:38.600 make like a board for you. 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:39.960 And I sent it to him. 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:42.640 He's like, yeah, I got it, and it's like, oh yeah, duh, 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:44.599 Like he's known for that. We're no for rest of you. 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:48.320 It's like, but I'm just sure guilty person. I'm so guilty. 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:49.880 I will always send the thing. 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:52.080 And they're like, yeah, yeah, people just think of us 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:53.120 and they send this you thing. 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:54.840 But wait a minute. So speaking of I. 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:57.240 Posted this on our account stories, but I caught up 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:00.000 on OC and last night I was watching the newer episode, 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:01.560 which I know by the time this episode comes out 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:02.480 it won't be that new. 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:06.760 But Maloney's in therapy. Stabler's in therapy, yes, and he's and. 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:09.720 It started out as the It started out as the 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:11.720 therapy that you have to go to when you discharge 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:13.440 your weapon and him being like, can I get out 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:15.880 of here already? The same shit he always does. And 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:19.120 then his female partner like convinced him to go back. 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:21.160 So he goes back and he actually starts opening up 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:22.960 and I was like, holy shit, is twenty twenty three 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:26.440 the year? So why did he open up about his wife? 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:29.800 And you know, the guy just said something. The therapist 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:31.880 said something to him that I think struck a chord 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:34.640 where he was like, yeah, everyone acts like it's so 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:38.040 unnecessary to be vulnerable in therapy and stuff. Well then 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:39.640 why are you so scared to do it? Like why 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:42.160 are you fighting so hard against doing it? Like basically 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:44.559 something like that. And Stabler, you could tell, was like oooh, 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:48.160 like you know, and then his partner convincing him to 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:49.600 go back, and he thanked her. He was like, thank 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:51.760 you for convincing me to go back, Like it's a 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:53.200 whole new year of Stabler. 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:56.720 Maybe maybe the show, maybe the people in charge did 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:59.280 here or calls and if they if they want to 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:04.680 and Marishka Stabler together, we need therapy, so yeah, maybe, yeah, 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:07.679 I never want them to be together. But my biggest 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:10.960 thing was, like he hasn't worked on himself in so long. Yeah, 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:13.160 so you started real houses in Miami? Where are you 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:14.440 are you? I started this season? 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:18.120 I okay, So I already watched I dabbled in one, two, 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:20.200 and three, so I know kind of like I knew 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:22.800 the Joanna Krup of it all, and like Marisol and 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:24.240 her crazy mom and all that. 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:25.360 So I sort of. 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:27.640 Am like familiar with a couple of these people. So 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:29.760 I didn't go to four. I started with five. I 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:31.640 just I figured I could go back to four later. 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:34.760 So I'm on five and I'm probably four episodes in, 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:38.600 like I'm getting into like the weird shit with like 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:41.640 Martina Navratilova and her wife where her wife is like 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:44.280 stop making me make food for you when we're alone 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:47.040 or whatever, and like Martina's like, wait, what have I 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:48.360 got myself into? 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.160 Well, I'm poortant. You thought you've seen the news though? 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:51.560 Yeah? 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:54.679 That so we wish her, I know, sending her. 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:57.880 She has a recent health diagnosis, and I really I 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:00.240 hope she's okay, but yeah. 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.240 She'd go back to watch season four. These women's like 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:06.800 like Miami has become like close to New York. I 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:09.720 think it's so good that these women give like they 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:12.200 go hard, but they do love each other. Like the 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:14.640 best part is when you could tell they're actually friends 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.760 or like that's what's have connections and they do they 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:22.120 care about each other. Like when Alexia's mom died, they 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.360 all go to the feudure like they're there for each other, 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:27.720 but they will be like, wow, you live in that place. 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:30.520 That's where hookers live. You know, they're so fucking mean. 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:32.719 But the reason I thought of it was because Alexia 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:34.720 and her family has been have been through so much. 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:37.240 You know, their son, her son got no an accent, 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:40.040 but then her older son beat up a homeless person 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:45.360 went you know, god like, but really this was years ago, 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:48.840 and she just keeps excusing it of like he was 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:50.920 just scared about his brother this and that, and it's like, no, 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:53.079 we're all going through something like you have to acknowl 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:56.040 she just keeps excusing it, and it bothers me. But 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:58.199 she has Teresa energy, so I'm like scared to even 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:02.520 talk about her. And then you know, he the charges 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:06.280 got dropped, but there was like charges of domestic violence 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:09.240 and he got into a fight with like the new 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:12.480 husband and all this stuff, and he refuses therapy. 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:16.680 She won't push him, and it's like he needs therapy. Honestly. 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:19.839 There's something about him people, Yeah, there's something about him 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:24.040 that really freaks me out. His monotone, like weird energy 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:28.040 with his mom, Like, I don't know, he seems like 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:31.200 one of those freaky quiet ones you gotta watch kind 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:31.559 of guys. 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:32.080 I don't know. 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:35.320 And she's just even in the reunion about the domestic violence. 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:37.920 She goes, domestic violence is a real problem for men. 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:40.880 Women lie all the time. And you hear Julia on 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:43.120 the couch, Oh my god. Yeah, and you hear Julia 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:46.240 on the couch go, no, domestic violence is a big problem, 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:48.920 and she goes, yeah, but there's both two sides. And 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:53.000 it's like these are the mothers and the parents that create, 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:55.960 Like you have to know your kid sucks. 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:58.079 I don't know. Yeah, it's like it's really. 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:01.959 It's tough because it's like you want unconditional love from 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:03.760 your parents, but you need a parent to be like, 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:06.760 it's fucked up what you did and you need to 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:07.360 get help. 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:09.240 Yeah, yeah, and you need a parent that's going to 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:12.120 burn your license at a pizza place because you've got 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:14.320 caught drum driving Elliott Stabler. 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:18.240 Yeah, but I'm loving it. They're so rich. 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:21.360 They're really like I love the like the colorful, like 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:26.360 wardrobe of Miami, Like everything is fun, the titties. I 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:29.800 think Larsa Pippen looks like a weird Kardashian Like I 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:34.720 don't know, but I like, yeah, I mean, I'm still 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:36.800 getting a handle on who they all are. Like there 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:39.040 there's one woman that I think might not be a 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:41.240 housewife but just is hanging out and I'm like, are 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:43.079 you it? Like you know, I'm just trying to figure 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:44.080 them all out right now. 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:47.240 But I like Gerdy No, I love Gerty, but also 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:49.360 Ira Madison sweeted this and it was like. 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:52.880 Us Miami is the best it's ever been. 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:55.600 And in reality, it's just like Lisa's life falling apart 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:57.679 before our eyes, you know what I mean. It's just 0:11:57.720 --> 0:11:59.920 like so for those who don't watch, like this is 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:01.480 because I know what I talked to, They're like, is 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:04.000 this real? And it's like, no, this is real, Like 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:08.240 obviously there's produced parties and conversations, but like their lives 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:11.040 are real, And so for those who are not watching, 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:12.720 there's a woman who's been married to a piece of 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.800 shit for fourteen years, a Russian Jew like me, but 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:20.440 he legit after fourteen years, was like bringing his girlfri 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:23.240 like legit, just told her like, I'm divorcing you, get 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:25.679 out of the house, take your fucking kids. And then 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:28.760 while she was away working, like brought the twenty plus 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:30.880 like twenty four year old girlfriend to the house with 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:33.520 the kids, kicked his mom and the nanny out of 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:36.400 the house, is out clubbing with this girlfriend while still 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:38.760 married to this woman, and this woman is like dealing 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:42.079 with it in real time, like and he got busted 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:44.680 on a hot mike talking about it. Yes, a hot 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:48.960 mic cheating confession. It's like, yeah, it's he but you 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:51.000 look at the old footage from even eight years ago, 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:52.720 and it's uncomfortable to even watch. 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:56.240 He never liked, well, well, what's crazy too, is like 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:58.480 I knew about it from you. I knew about it 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:01.040 from just being like I follow Bravo accounts, so like 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:03.240 I knew about the cheating before I started the season. 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:07.040 And the way they are editing it is excruciating, Like 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:10.640 if you know about it going in, they're making her 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.760 look so dumb, like she just keeps talking about how 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:14.360 happy they are. 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:16.920 She keeps talking about how they're on an Upsuing's not dumb, 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.200 it's denial, it's hope. 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:19.679 I know. 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:22.280 But she doesn't really have parents. She does like Lenny 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:25.640 is her world. She they're like knowing the editors, knowing 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:27.360 that this is happening. It feels like they're doing her 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:29.280 a little bit dirty, Like, oh no, I think they're 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:32.800 making her victim. I think there were Now we're like Lisa. 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:34.560 Yeah, yeah, you're right, you're right. 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:37.240 I guess I haven't. I'll tell you something. I'm just 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:39.440 getting up to the part with the Discovery. I'm just 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:41.960 at the hot mic, like I'm the next thing I'm watching, 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:44.000 so I haven't actually watched it yet. 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:45.160 He's editly number one. 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:47.840 I feel like everyone cares about her now, even though 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.199 she But my whole thing is like when you marry 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:53.880 for shallow reasons, Yeah, this is what you get, Like 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:59.640 you expect true companionship and care when you married someone 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:01.640 from my and you married someone for hot and it 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:04.200 it's like he was gonna leave her because she couldn't 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:07.600 get pregnant, Like he doesn't care about her. 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:12.200 Did she get pregnant? Thought? 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:16.240 Okay, But like the earlier seasons, it was very much 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:19.520 like he's gonna leave me if I can't give him 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:22.640 a child, and it's like, yeah, because you're not you're 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:27.120 not truly in love connection. Yeah yeah, and he used 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:29.320 you and now it's all falling apart, and it's like, 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:31.480 but how did you think this was gonna work? I 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:33.640 think the most jealous I've ever been is Nicole. I 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:36.360 think Nicole is amazing. This neurosurgeon with a bang and 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:38.920 body and a rich fiance was obsessed with her. 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:41.600 I thought she was an anesthesiologist. Yeah she is. What 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:43.600 did I say? Neurosurgeon? 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:47.360 She's the same as what Tiffany Moon is, Right, they're 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:53.040 both anesthesiology. They make yeah, which is a very complicated 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:54.480 line of medical work. 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:56.360 I feel like I'm very lucrative. 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:58.600 I mean we have, Yeah, it started, but I did 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:02.160 have a list of stuff. I know Ja Shetty. 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:02.880 Do you know him? 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:05.280 But yeah, why do I know that name? He's a 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:07.960 popular podcast. He used to be a monk. He's like 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.760 a guru of joy and happiness. 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:11.360 I don't know. 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:13.240 I just didn't know if I trust him or not. 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:16.320 And I'm curious of our viewers. I didn't I did 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:19.320 a deep dive through his instagram and I liked some stuff, 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:24.080 but the idea of like Monk of the Earth, Salt 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:27.480 of the Earth, people becoming influencers bothers me. And then 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:29.560 his wife had a video of like how to properly 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:33.840 drink water, and it was like. 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:36.840 Have we all been doing it wrong? It was annoying. 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:39.760 It was like room temp and it's like, shut up, 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:42.760 stop stressing people out. Like if people are drinking water, 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:44.440 let them drink it the way they need to drink it. 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:48.120 That's the least they're drinking it. Just drink water, everybody. 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:49.840 I told you I've been having a lot of problems 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:52.480 with my thyroil. Like I've just been having problems. And 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:56.440 I told my you know, coffee, I guess irritates it. 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:57.800 And I was like, you know what, I'm just gonna 0:15:57.840 --> 0:15:59.720 give up coffee. And my endocronologist is like, that's the 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:03.920 least of your problems. She goes, there's like ten things 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:06.880 you need to stop doing before coffee. I have have coffee. 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:09.040 She's like, you, I hear coffee and that's how I 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:11.560 fill with water. It's like, none of us, that's our 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:14.640 biggest problem, Like we're all struggling to like take care 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:17.400 of ourselves. We don't need some you know, bitch with 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:19.080 light eyes telling us that. 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:20.400 We're drinking water wrong. 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.480 But they had this cute moment where it was like, 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:26.680 she goes, you know, I'm sometimes I'm a brat and 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:28.920 I asked you to get me my water bottle, but 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:31.600 it's closer to me and you still do it, And 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:33.800 how do you deal with me when I'm annoying? 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:35.120 And he goes. 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:37.960 I just realized, like that's how you need to be 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:40.520 loved in that moment, and why wouldn't I do it? 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:44.200 And I was just like, wow, you aren't. You guys 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:47.240 are enlightened and focused. But then I'm like, but are 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:48.400 you dead behind the eyes or not? 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:52.240 I just don't know. I just don't know. But listen, wait, 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:54.040 we have huge news. We have huge news. 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:55.760 First, I'm going to say this episode comes out on 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:58.720 the seventeenth, and on the nineteenth we're going to be 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:02.240 in Philadelphia. There's still a few tickets left. On the twentieth, 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:04.160 we're in New York. It's sold out. But look, maybe 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:06.840 check the comments underneath the homework post. Sometimes people get 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:08.840 COVID and they're giving away their tickets or whatever. 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:11.280 The twenty first, we're in Boston. 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:13.080 There are still a few tickets left for the four 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.840 o'clock Boston show. Come see us. The seven o'clock is 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.680 sold out. And then we're in Hartford on the twenty second. 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.520 That's the last day to this big fall tour. So 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:25.800 come to Hartford and see us on the twenty second. 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:27.840 But the big news that I'm making you wait for 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:30.199 is that tonight, Lisa and I are going to be 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:33.439 on Watch What Happens Live. 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:36.680 Yeah, we're so excited. 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:39.200 Obviously, you guys know that besides U s FORU, our 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:42.879 true love is Bravo, and we're so excited to be bartenders. 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:45.120 We're not on the couch for bartenders, which is great, 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:46.680 and we're gonna behind the bar. 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:50.960 I'm excited about is the people that are the main guests. 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:53.280 I don't know if they're Bravo heads. So I'm hoping 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:56.399 that he leans on us. Maybe he asks us a 0:17:56.400 --> 0:18:01.119 couple questions about what's going down in Bravoland. 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:05.479 Yeah, So anyway, if you have Bravo, tune into us 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.480 tonight behind the bar. I'm stressing out trying to find 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:12.280 an outfit, but hopefully I look presentable and uh, you 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:15.040 guys can check us out there also, guys, we have 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:17.480 tons of fun merch up in our merch store. It's 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:21.120 like on our bio of our Instagram, or you can 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:23.000 go to Thats Messed Up live dot com and scroll 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:25.200 down to the bottom. The merch link is there, and 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:26.680 that's also where you can get tickets for all of 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:28.320 our shows. But we've got like a new beanie, a 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:30.280 fun fanny pack. I've been bringing the fanny pack around 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:34.439 the name of fanny pack. Oh, mine just came like 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:37.400 like during the break. Are you sure, I'll check the mailbox. 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:40.040 I haven't checked yet. I'll check the mailbox. But I 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:41.920 thought it would be like more of a package because 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:45.360 it's thin. It's no, it's like in a thin little package. Yeah, 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:49.800 I'm excited for that. And you know this is embarrassing. 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:51.800 I would rather not do this, but give us a 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:55.280 little review, give us some five. Yeah, the Taylor Swift 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:57.200 fans did come for us hard, and we would love 0:18:57.280 --> 0:18:57.920 to get our numbers. 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:00.920 Yeah us some stars throw some stars on the old 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:03.080 I just recket those fucking wheat. 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:05.719 Review tell them, tell people why you enjoy us so, 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:09.639 because I don't think we're you know, misogynists that are 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:10.480 pick me girls. 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:13.439 But some people do. Some people think we which is 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:16.560 so funny to me. I did it. Yeah. Misogyny is 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:19.040 that you're not allowed to ever question a woman. 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:19.720 Yeah. 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:22.480 I was gonna say, we're missing dress yees like one 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:27.520 hundred percent missing drifts. All right, but let's get started. 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:34.680 We have a hot episode for you guys today. Okay, 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:37.760 we are doing a more recent one. This is from 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:42.159 last season. SE's in twenty three. Tangled Strands of Justice 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:45.520 came out April of twenty twenty two, so earlier this year. 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:47.280 I don't know when this episode's coming out, so Mike 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:48.080 twenty three. 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:51.440 But it's such a good episode, reminiscent of the early years. 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:54.159 It really is awesome, really a great one. I'm so 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:56.919 glad we got to do it. We open on a 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:59.840 flashback and it is September eleventh, two thousand and one, 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:02.879 and at seven am, So damn if you pay attention 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:05.360 to that, you know something's about to go down. So 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:07.439 a big group of cops are about to search an 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:10.520 area in Harlem for a girl named Aretha Green, thirteen 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:13.120 years old. Last scene in the park going to get 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:16.159 her scooter or something like that, and hasn't been seen again. 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:19.800 And then there's a young Garland there, Christian Garland or 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:21.480 departed from the show de more Barnes. 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:23.320 I almost said our dearly departed to more Barnes. But 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:24.560 he's not dead. He just left the show. 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:27.000 And he's there wondering do you think we're going to 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:29.199 find this girl? And his boss is like, son, we 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:32.200 find old men and toddlers. Kids this age don't get found, 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:34.520 and I think he means like they're either dead or 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:37.960 they've run away. So the boss cop suddenly gets a 0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:40.800 radio call for his whole unit to mobilize to a 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:43.600 different location because something's going on at the World Trade 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:45.600 Center and it says, oh, yes, Sesna just hit one 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:48.320 of the towers. So we're like seeing nine to eleven 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:51.159 happen on this show in real time kind of. And 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:53.679 Garland just kind of stares back at this lake in 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:56.800 the park and then just follows his boss. And now 0:20:56.880 --> 0:20:59.040 we cut to present day and the cops are at 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:01.600 that same body of water, which is called the Harlem 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:06.760 merror Meer, and there's talking about how this kid was 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:09.040 fishing and he found a fingerbone and then there's a 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:12.040 black bag filled with bones and when this cot bends 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:15.280 down to look at it closer. This eel comes slithering 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:17.639 out and it really freaked me out. But it's very 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:20.239 flatsom and jutsam, so I kind of love it. And 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:23.400 he says, get this to the morgue. Like I think 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:25.240 he's like pissed that he got busted in front of 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:27.600 everybody looking freaked out because of the eel really freaked 0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:28.920 him out, so he's like, get this bag. 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:29.400 To the morgue. 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:32.959 So now we cut to a totally different scene a 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:35.000 bedroom where a young woman in a tight dress is 0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:38.359 kind of tiptoeing around and she steals a watch off 0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:41.120 the bedside table as a very hairy man sleeps there, 0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:45.960 and she opens his drawer of his you know like drawers, 0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:48.440 and steals six more watches that are in like their 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:51.320 own cases so you can tell they're pricey watches. She 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:53.760 grabs her shoes and she gets the fuck out of there, 0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:56.440 and then we see the guy roll over and be like, baby, 0:21:56.640 --> 0:21:57.480 are you in the bathroom? 0:21:57.520 --> 0:21:58.000 Where are you? 0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:01.480 Kendall, So he's been I don't know Rick rold or 0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:04.000 trick rolled. I don't know what's going on. But we 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:07.240 cut to our hairy victim walking the cops inside his bedroom, 0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:10.000 showing them where eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars in 0:22:10.080 --> 0:22:13.480 watches used to be. And with him is Detective Nadia 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:16.840 Zabo and she works in with the Major Case Squad. 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:18.760 And this is a fun fact. This is a Broadway 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:21.879 diva named or Fe and she is the wife of 0:22:21.920 --> 0:22:26.280 Andy Carl aka Baby Dodds. So that's a fun little thing. 0:22:26.359 --> 0:22:28.960 She's played tons of roles on Broadway and she's been 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:31.639 on SBU before. She was a smaller part in the 0:22:31.680 --> 0:22:35.639 episode she paints for vengeance, but this is her big 0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:38.320 role as this detective who I think you guys are 0:22:38.359 --> 0:22:39.600 gonna love her or hate her. 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:40.360 It's a great role. 0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:44.639 And the squad, the Major Case Squad Chris hate the character. 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:45.320 Yeah. 0:22:45.440 --> 0:22:49.880 The Major Case Squad I looked up investigates homicides, kidnappings, burgery, larceny, 0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:52.320 and robberies that occur within the five boroughs of New 0:22:52.400 --> 0:22:55.560 York City. So I guess is this I believe is 0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:59.919 happening in Queens. But anything she covers all the Burroughs 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:02.920 and basically any precinct can toss something up to Major 0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:05.480 Case if they feel like it's worth it. I never 0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:07.159 really looked into what major case was. I've heard them 0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:09.680 talk about it, so I thought that was interesting. Anyway, 0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:11.840 this dude thinks the watches were stolen while he was 0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:14.600 out the night before because he doesn't even assume. 0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:15.040 That it could be Kendall. 0:23:15.119 --> 0:23:17.200 He thinks she just went back to her dormant NYU 0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:20.880 and they met on Sugar Baby's website, he says, and 0:23:21.040 --> 0:23:25.000 Detective Zabo's like, okay, bitch, so you've got some kind 0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:26.960 of arrangement with this girl. And he does not like 0:23:27.080 --> 0:23:30.360 her what she's implying. We are in a committed relationship, 0:23:30.400 --> 0:23:32.920 and she kind of like you know, raises a brow 0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:36.240 and he's like, look, I help her out sometimes, tuition books, whatever, 0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:39.399 and she's like, well, guess what, dude, we just checked 0:23:39.400 --> 0:23:42.080 and no one with that name goes to NYU. So 0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:45.600 he's like, that's crazy, Kendall. You feel sad for this guy. 0:23:45.680 --> 0:23:48.399 He's like he's been robbed and now he's like his 0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:52.520 whole relationship is imploding. And he's like, she's never lied 0:23:52.520 --> 0:23:55.159 to me before. She's like a sweet injured fawn. She 0:23:55.560 --> 0:23:57.560 was even sexually assaulted in like, you know, I was 0:23:57.560 --> 0:23:59.399 trying to help her get over it. Kind of and 0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:02.560 then perks Zabo's ears right up. She's like, when when 0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:04.280 was she assaulted? And he goes a year ago and 0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:06.240 I was helping her get over it. So they go 0:24:06.280 --> 0:24:09.840 to the bathroom and there's a lipstick message that says 0:24:09.920 --> 0:24:13.640 sorry daddy tests today xoxo with like a kiss, and 0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:15.920 so she goes wipe it all for Prince, get the 0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:19.080 DNA off this mirror or whatever. So now we cut 0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:21.560 to Garland in a Florida hotel room on a family 0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:24.320 vaka watching the news about the skeletal remains being found 0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:26.800 in the New York City body of water, and obviously 0:24:26.840 --> 0:24:29.600 this is peaking his interest and he remembers the old case. 0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:31.600 So now cut back. 0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:34.480 To major case and Detective Zabo is showing the man 0:24:34.600 --> 0:24:37.240 with the watches Kendall through the one way glass and 0:24:37.280 --> 0:24:39.840 he's like, yeah, that's her, and she goes e vaal, 0:24:40.040 --> 0:24:43.240 which means bravo, are well done in Farsie and he's 0:24:43.359 --> 0:24:46.000 shocked she speaks Farsie and she goes it's a long story, 0:24:46.040 --> 0:24:47.800 but we never hear a second of it, Like, we 0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:51.040 have no idea why she speaks Varsie, why is she 0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:54.440 you know? But whatever, So it's sad, and he goes, 0:24:54.560 --> 0:24:56.760 you really found the watches on her? I thought she 0:24:56.960 --> 0:24:59.800 liked me. It's like a sad moment. And then he's 0:24:59.840 --> 0:25:02.240 like she did, but she did and she didn't or 0:25:02.280 --> 0:25:04.520 something like that. She's got some kind of quip. And 0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:07.880 then Kendall's lawyer is our girl, Mausam macar and here 0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:11.440 is where she's playing attorney Dara mclauney, because we interviewed 0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:14.400 her when she was the victim in the gamer Gate episode, 0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:16.680 but she has this recurring role in later seasons where 0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:18.400 she's this attorney named Dara mcgloney. 0:25:18.480 --> 0:25:21.440 And we've talked to a lot of people, but for 0:25:21.480 --> 0:25:24.160 some reason with Maozam, we do get extra excited. 0:25:24.280 --> 0:25:26.119 It is yeah, I don't know why, but we're I 0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:26.840 just she was. 0:25:27.040 --> 0:25:30.600 We watched this episode together in a hotel and we 0:25:30.680 --> 0:25:31.240 both are. 0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:33.440 Like, Masam, yeah, we were like, it's our. 0:25:33.359 --> 0:25:37.480 Friend, but you know she might literally ignore us at 0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:41.280 a party, so who knows. And she's like, what's going on? 0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:43.760 My client was living under a different identity. How did 0:25:43.760 --> 0:25:46.359 you find her? And Zabo like evades the question and 0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:48.880 is like, tell your client to confess to grand larceny. 0:25:48.920 --> 0:25:49.960 She might not even do time. 0:25:50.560 --> 0:25:52.760 So now back in New York, Garland is fresh from 0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:54.879 his trip to Orlando, meeting up with Benson at a 0:25:54.920 --> 0:25:57.480 diner and he shows her the missing poster of Aretha 0:25:57.840 --> 0:25:59.920 from two thousand and one and he thinks it's her. 0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:01.560 And now we're at the credits. 0:26:01.560 --> 0:26:03.280 I mean, can you believe, like we've literally been in 0:26:03.320 --> 0:26:06.359 ten locations across different time periods. This is like the 0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:09.959 most packed credits pre cold open of all time. So 0:26:10.400 --> 0:26:14.760 top of Actwan Garland's telling Rollins and Vinnie Barberino fucking 0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:20.000 velasco how Aretha went missing September tenth. He's not for me, 0:26:20.160 --> 0:26:22.680 his like goomba voice, like I don't know. He's like, uh, 0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:25.400 he seems like a guy who always has his mouth 0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:27.440 open a little bit, you know what I mean. And 0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:31.320 Garland's explaining, He's like, look, Aretha went missing on September 0:26:31.359 --> 0:26:33.520 tenth of the year of September eleventh, and he was 0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:35.760 I was barely out of the academy. We were performing 0:26:35.760 --> 0:26:38.080 a grid search around the Harlem Mere that was never 0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:41.840 finished because of the attacks, and the investigation got completely sidelined. 0:26:42.200 --> 0:26:44.480 And Rollins is like, isn't this a homicide case? 0:26:44.560 --> 0:26:46.359 Chief? And it's like he's not a chief anymore. 0:26:46.400 --> 0:26:48.800 And we find out that he's about to become deputy 0:26:48.840 --> 0:26:52.359 mayor of the new administration. So homicide and all the 0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:54.959 other departments besides sp are about to hate his guts, 0:26:55.000 --> 0:26:58.680 and so Benson's like, I'll deal with homicide, and he goes. 0:26:58.720 --> 0:27:00.720 My boss at the time was Karl Mannix. He was 0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:03.240 the duty captain. He's retired in Hempstead, which is on 0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:06.280 Long Island, and Rollins and velasco. You take the lead 0:27:06.359 --> 0:27:08.639 on this, Benson says. And she sends them to Long Island. 0:27:08.680 --> 0:27:11.520 But she goes, but not on your motorcycle. She's such 0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:14.639 a mom. And so now we're on on Long Island 0:27:14.640 --> 0:27:16.919 talking to the boss cop from the Aretha search and 0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:20.040 he's old. Now he's got an oxygen tank. And Rollins 0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:22.680 is once again in gorgeous outerwear. You know, you can't 0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:26.720 ever knock her for that, And Mannix remembers the whole case. 0:27:26.760 --> 0:27:27.919 He's like, oh, yeah, I. 0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:30.160 Would love if people were knocking her for it, being 0:27:30.160 --> 0:27:32.000 like great, another camel. 0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:39.040 Coat, yeah, another camil trench. Yeah. So Mannix remembers the 0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:41.399 whole case. He's like, yeah, she seemed like a nerdy kid, 0:27:41.440 --> 0:27:43.560 like she didn't see like strike me as a runaway, 0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:47.600 and they're like, yeah, so the investigation kind of got 0:27:47.600 --> 0:27:49.399 pushed to the back burner, and he's like, try pushed 0:27:49.440 --> 0:27:51.800 off the stove, like there was before and after nine 0:27:51.800 --> 0:27:54.280 to eleven. But during he says, I think there were 0:27:54.280 --> 0:27:56.600 a lot of tragedies that went unsolved, like during the 0:27:56.720 --> 0:27:59.879 days around it. And so he says the mother called 0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:01.920 every day for months, he had no leads, and they 0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:03.760 were busy pulling bodies out of the rubble of nine 0:28:03.800 --> 0:28:06.320 to eleven, So it sounds very like, you know, traumatic 0:28:06.359 --> 0:28:08.840 for everyone. And he talks about how guys his age 0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:11.600 lost a lot more after nine to eleven because I 0:28:11.640 --> 0:28:13.679 think of I think he's basically talking about all of 0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:15.960 the illness that came to first responders, and he's like 0:28:16.000 --> 0:28:18.240 some of us were luckier than others. He taps his 0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:20.400 little oxygen tank and goes, I've had lung cancer since 0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:24.439 twenty sixteen. And then when he hears about how they 0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:26.920 found the body and it might be Aretha, he does 0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:28.960 the sign of the Cross and tells the detectives he 0:28:29.000 --> 0:28:30.560 hopes they see it through and he says, tell the 0:28:30.640 --> 0:28:33.440 mother he's sorry, and we see Carisi on the phone 0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:35.560 now in a different scene coming down the steps and 0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:37.400 he's obviously on the phone with Rollins and he's like, yeah, 0:28:37.400 --> 0:28:39.560 I'm gonna make falaffel tonight. And I'm like, I wonder 0:28:39.600 --> 0:28:43.000 if Coorsi's falafful is any good? And he gets approached 0:28:43.040 --> 0:28:46.560 by our best friend. You do, Yeah, I think he's 0:28:46.600 --> 0:28:47.400 good in the kitchen. 0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:50.480 It took me a second, but I was like, yeah, yeah, 0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:54.000 it's like making a meatball, right, but what different? Yeah, 0:28:54.040 --> 0:28:56.440 But like the problem with falaffel is like it gets 0:28:56.480 --> 0:28:58.520 so dry, like you really have to figure out a 0:28:58.520 --> 0:29:00.479 way to like make falaffel. I feel like, no tastes 0:29:00.560 --> 0:29:03.280 like a bunch of like keene wall of oporating in 0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:03.720 your mouth. 0:29:04.200 --> 0:29:05.680 Not that it's made out of quenoa. I think it's 0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:10.840 it's it's chickpea or something, but you know it, oh. 0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:11.080 I do. 0:29:11.160 --> 0:29:12.640 But I like it when you get it in the 0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:15.640 sandwich and it's got like all that sauce on it 0:29:15.680 --> 0:29:17.280 to make it give you some moisture. 0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:17.640 You know. 0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:19.680 I used to love going to that Falaffel place near 0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:20.440 the comedy cellar. 0:29:20.680 --> 0:29:24.480 Yeah my mood. Yeah, so that is amazing, Moon. 0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:28.200 But uh yeah, I don't think many people just pop 0:29:28.240 --> 0:29:33.280 them in their mouth. But Cafe Mogador has great Falaffel humusplate. 0:29:33.320 --> 0:29:35.040 I think it's one of my favorites ever. And then 0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:38.080 obviously Peeda In and Skokie. But you're right, it's a 0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:40.040 delicate balance because you want to crunch and you want 0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:40.440 it moist. 0:29:40.760 --> 0:29:44.440 Yeah, totally, but not too dry but not not dripping. 0:29:44.560 --> 0:29:49.640 So yeah, yeah, I love Meddle. Yeah, we want to right, 0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:51.800 so good. 0:29:52.160 --> 0:29:54.280 So while he's like, he hangs up with a Falaffel 0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:57.400 talk and he gets approached by Miglauney aka our best 0:29:57.400 --> 0:30:00.440 friend Mouseam and she explains her case and she's like, 0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:02.520 it's kind of weird how major case found my girl, 0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:05.800 Like she has a burner, a different idea, like no idea, 0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:08.239 Like he didn't know any of her real details. And 0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:11.320 they're being really cagy about how they found her, and 0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:13.840 Cariese's like, this isn't really my wheelhouse and then she's like, 0:30:13.960 --> 0:30:16.160 hold up, you know you know who my client is. 0:30:16.440 --> 0:30:19.520 He was one of Henry Messner's victims last year. This 0:30:19.720 --> 0:30:22.640 is the kid from Born Psychopath in season fourteen, who 0:30:22.720 --> 0:30:25.640 then returned in season twenty two in the episode called 0:30:25.640 --> 0:30:28.880 Postgraduate Psychopath and she goes, you know, the psycho who 0:30:28.880 --> 0:30:31.400 speared you in the ear to carees ring any bells, 0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:34.560 and he's like yeah, and he's like, who's the victim, and. 0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:35.720 She goes Libby Blandon. 0:30:36.200 --> 0:30:38.720 So if you remember this episode, she was the daughter 0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:43.320 of Henry's psychiatrist who he sexually assaulted and tortured, so 0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:46.880 it was a really brutal assault. We cut to Benson saying, damn, 0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:49.360 that was a brutal assault, and they're like major case 0:30:49.440 --> 0:30:51.920 was able to id her twelve hours from the initial report, 0:30:52.000 --> 0:30:52.800 Like how would. 0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:53.280 You be able to do that? 0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:55.920 And mglaanney heard one of the detectives say that they 0:30:55.960 --> 0:30:58.600 didn't need Libby's DNA because they already had it. But 0:30:58.680 --> 0:31:01.000 she's never been arrested in New York and Lives Like 0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:03.040 even if she'd been arrested in another state, that's like 0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:04.480 too quick to rush DNA. 0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:06.560 So this is very weird. This is like red flags 0:31:06.600 --> 0:31:06.920 for them. 0:31:07.320 --> 0:31:09.640 So Libby's already been ro r and Live is like 0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:11.960 going to take this one on personally because this girl 0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:16.239 needs an advocate. So rollins we're playing both of these 0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:18.880 stories at the same time. We're back on the Aretha storyline. 0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:20.920 And rollins walks into the morgue to get some scoop 0:31:20.920 --> 0:31:24.080 on the girl from the mirror. And this is male 0:31:24.160 --> 0:31:27.480 Milinda named Frank Wood is the actor and he is 0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:30.560 playing Emmy Abel Truman, and he's been in a couple 0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:34.160 episodes that we've watched lately. Actually, I just watched like 0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:36.640 an episode from two weeks ago on SPU and it's 0:31:36.880 --> 0:31:39.120 really good of this current season. I know I've been 0:31:39.240 --> 0:31:41.400 shitting on this current season a little bit, but this 0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:43.760 episode I just watched this morning at five thirty am 0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:46.160 when I couldn't go back to sleep, was really good. 0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:49.040 And it's called A Better Person. That's the episode, and 0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:51.400 I really liked it. I'm not done. I I'm like 0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:52.920 five minutes from the end, but because you know, my 0:31:53.000 --> 0:31:54.680 kids woke up and ruined my life. So the Emmy 0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:57.600 says he's got some info. He's working on a genetic profile. 0:31:57.720 --> 0:32:00.400 He can't determine cause of death definitively, but maybe it 0:32:00.440 --> 0:32:03.080 was a skull fracture and water washed away most of 0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:05.520 the evidence. But they do have all of what he 0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:08.560 calls meta data, which is like the overalls, the sneaker souls, 0:32:08.600 --> 0:32:10.920 the watch band, like all these possessions that were with 0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:14.520 the bones and says it's poss and you know, Rollins 0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:16.040 is like, is it possible she was down there since 0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:17.880 two thousand and one and he goes it is and 0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:21.280 then he wheels out the kicker, which is a tiny 0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:24.320 baby skeleton of a fetus twenty to twenty four weeks, 0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:29.000 and Velasco goes field Bones like in this dumb fucking voice, 0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:33.320 and then it's like, yeah, she was pregnant, and that's 0:32:33.320 --> 0:32:35.120 a big done done, and that's the end of the act. 0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:38.760 So now we are talking to Aretha's family and her 0:32:38.800 --> 0:32:41.760 grandfather is like, oh, yeah, those scooters were so popular, 0:32:41.840 --> 0:32:43.720 because this is like why Aretha went into the park 0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:47.240 that night, because she'd left hers and her mother, Cora, 0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:51.000 who is an amazing actress. This woman is Cora is 0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:53.560 played by Nicki Micheau, and I thought she was so 0:32:53.680 --> 0:32:56.120 good in this episode. She's been an episode of Vieps, 0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:58.560 she's been in Six feet Under, she's in good trouble, 0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:01.520 she's got seventy two credits working and she's a great actress. 0:33:02.080 --> 0:33:05.040 And Rollin shows Cora a picture of the watch and 0:33:05.080 --> 0:33:07.440 she goes, I did give Aretha a watch like that 0:33:07.480 --> 0:33:09.680 for a good report card, and then they look really 0:33:09.720 --> 0:33:12.040 sad because it's starting to really look like that's her, 0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:13.960 and they're like, well, we need to make sure do 0:33:14.000 --> 0:33:16.200 you have anything with her DNA on it. So she 0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:18.720 takes them back to Aretha's old room and she's like, 0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:20.040 I always saw Aretha ran away. 0:33:20.120 --> 0:33:22.160 She'd been depressed. I thought I did something wrong. 0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:24.920 So it's like so sad, and then she gives the 0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:27.880 detective some of Aretha's baby teeth that she kept in 0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:30.560 a little baggy. So now now Live is talking to 0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:32.360 Libby and she's like, I haven't talked to my mom 0:33:32.400 --> 0:33:34.880 in months. She blamed herself for all the Henry stuff, 0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:36.960 like so much that I started to believe her. So 0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:39.680 I think she just needed some time away from her mom. 0:33:39.960 --> 0:33:42.440 But she's still her mom had her number for emergencies, 0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:45.680 so when her mom's receptionist called and said get to 0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:47.760 the office right away, she thought it was a huge 0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:50.440 problem and ran to her mom's office and that's where 0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:52.600 the cops were ready to bring her in. And she 0:33:52.680 --> 0:33:55.560 says she's never been arrested before, she's a first timer. 0:33:56.120 --> 0:33:59.000 And they're like, so, what's up with the different identities, 0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:01.080 And she's like after my I just didn't want to 0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:03.360 be Libby anymore. I have a different identity for everyone 0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:05.200 I date. And she's like, it's not like I make 0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:05.920 a habit out of this. 0:34:06.000 --> 0:34:06.560 I just wanted to. 0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:09.319 Feel taken care of. Bijean was safe. I shouldn't have 0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:11.600 taken the watches. I wonder why she did take the watches. 0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:14.320 It sounds like this guy gave her a lot of stuff. 0:34:15.320 --> 0:34:16.839 I don't know. I really don't know. 0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:21.480 An impulsed yeah, but she says, the only time I've 0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:24.279 ever given my DNA is when SPU did my rape kit. 0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:27.680 So now things are starting to get really fishy. So 0:34:28.320 --> 0:34:32.120 now we've got boss Lady Lives strolling into major case squads, 0:34:32.160 --> 0:34:35.759 obviously in a long ass coat, looking like a badass, 0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:38.680 and she goes right up to Detective Zabo and she 0:34:38.800 --> 0:34:41.040 introduces herself, and Detective Zabo's. 0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:42.319 Like, I know who you are, why are you here? 0:34:42.840 --> 0:34:44.400 And Live asks her, I. 0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:46.920 Kind of want to know how you id'd Libby Blandon 0:34:47.440 --> 0:34:49.960 and Sabo basically pulls the like I don't come down 0:34:49.960 --> 0:34:51.960 to where you work and ask how you put rapists 0:34:52.000 --> 0:34:53.759 away thing, which you know. 0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:56.520 It's like, bitch, you're caught. You got to say how 0:34:56.520 --> 0:34:57.359 you found out soon? 0:34:57.680 --> 0:34:59.360 But Benson's like, look, this doesn't have to be a 0:34:59.360 --> 0:35:01.920 pissing content and Zabo's like, great, let's not make it 0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:03.840 one now, if you'll excuse me, I've got d D 0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:06.879 Five's like, she really is not scared of live at all, 0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:09.280 and you know, in real life these two are friends, 0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:12.799 So I kind of love this dynamic. And now Liv 0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:17.359 is talking to Careesi about Zabo and she's like, yeah, 0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:19.880 she's a real ray of sunshine, and she's fucking defensive 0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:22.719 as hell and lives wondering is it possible that she 0:35:22.920 --> 0:35:26.080 accessed Libby's rape kit to get the DNA? And Caresee's 0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:29.280 like absolutely not, no way, Like that place is rules 0:35:29.280 --> 0:35:31.799 on rules on protocol. A cop would never be able 0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:35.200 to access a victim's DNA. He goes, that's inconceivable, and 0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:37.480 liv says, okay, well, I put in a call to 0:35:37.520 --> 0:35:40.360 the General Council at the OCME anyway, And the OCEME 0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:43.000 is the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner, so they 0:35:43.040 --> 0:35:46.280 refer to it a lot in this episode. Meanwhile, Velasco 0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:48.600 and Rollins are finding out that the bones do belong 0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:51.239 to Aretha, so we have solved this case. That was 0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:54.200 Aretha and what we've sold the identification excuse me, not 0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:58.200 the case, and the fetus was a boy. The DNA 0:35:58.400 --> 0:36:02.360 of the U I guess the paternal DNA was not 0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:05.080 in codis and not a familial match, but he was 0:36:05.120 --> 0:36:08.840 African American. So they go tell the family and Garland 0:36:08.840 --> 0:36:11.520 goes too, and the mom is so sad. She goes, 0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:14.040 she's been in the water all this time, all alone. 0:36:14.160 --> 0:36:17.080 It's so sad. She's like, I want her breaking. Yeah, 0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:20.640 it's like really really because like all these years you 0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:23.000 thought you did something wrong, twenty years of thinking maybe 0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:25.360 your daughter's out there alive but just choosing not to 0:36:25.400 --> 0:36:27.600 talk to you. But the whole time she's been blocks 0:36:27.600 --> 0:36:31.359 away from you, dead like horrible. And so she goes, 0:36:31.400 --> 0:36:33.239 I want her remains. I want to bury her, and 0:36:33.280 --> 0:36:37.160 they also then decide to break her the news to 0:36:37.200 --> 0:36:39.839 her that Aretha was five months pregnant, and Cora is 0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:40.879 not hearing that. 0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:43.760 She's like, that can't be true. She was just a baby. 0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:46.080 She starts to get really upset, and her dad jumps 0:36:46.080 --> 0:36:47.480 in and is like, I think you guys got to 0:36:47.520 --> 0:36:48.880 go now, and they're like, okay, but we do need 0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:50.879 to talk to you later and she's like. He's like, okay, 0:36:50.920 --> 0:36:53.120 but for now, get the hell out of here. So 0:36:53.200 --> 0:36:55.360 now Live is doing a walk and talk with the 0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:58.520 General Counsel for the OCME and she's like, there's no 0:36:58.560 --> 0:37:01.800 way a victim's profile was actually, it's just impossible. Victim 0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:04.560 DNA is never uploaded to any database. So they go 0:37:04.640 --> 0:37:07.480 talk to this dude named Harry and he admits that 0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:09.600 he fully ran the DNA from the Crime against the 0:37:09.680 --> 0:37:12.359 Victims of assaults in twenty twenty one and found her 0:37:12.400 --> 0:37:14.680 file and the case was still open pending trial. 0:37:15.000 --> 0:37:16.480 The General counsel is pissed. 0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:19.040 She's like, you didn't check with a supervisor and he's like, well, 0:37:19.080 --> 0:37:21.399 the request came from major case, not some shitty, low 0:37:21.520 --> 0:37:24.759 level detective. And now he's like it's not illegal, and 0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:26.480 Lives like yeah, because no one thought to create a 0:37:26.560 --> 0:37:29.160 law about something so fucking unethical, like no one would 0:37:29.160 --> 0:37:31.440 do that, And the General Council is like, this is 0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:34.120 against our protocol. We will be launching an investigation, and 0:37:34.160 --> 0:37:36.680 Lives like yes, So hold the DA's office and he's 0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:38.799 like and she goes, please tell me you've only done 0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:40.840 this this one time, and his face says fuck no, 0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:43.680 I do this all the time. So at the precinct, 0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:46.399 Cora comes in to talk to the detectives and she's 0:37:46.680 --> 0:37:49.200 like she's gotten herself under control now and she's ready 0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:51.600 to talk about like figuring out who did this to Aretha. 0:37:51.760 --> 0:37:54.000 But she's like, she didn't have any boyfriends. She was 0:37:54.040 --> 0:37:55.880 a good girl. She was all about school. If she 0:37:55.920 --> 0:37:57.960 had a boyfriend, I would have known about it. And 0:37:58.000 --> 0:38:01.879 she said her grandfather, Aretha's grandfather, was always watching her 0:38:02.080 --> 0:38:04.839 while Kora worked, so you know, it wasn't like she 0:38:04.920 --> 0:38:07.080 had was a latch key kid with like all this 0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:10.600 time where she could have been entertaining boyfriends. Now we're 0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:13.040 talking to the grandpa and he's remembering nine to eleven. 0:38:13.080 --> 0:38:14.960 He's like, oh, I remember us watching the news all 0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:17.759 day and we thought maybe Aretha went down there to help, like, 0:38:18.160 --> 0:38:20.760 and he says she always came home after school. Sometimes 0:38:20.800 --> 0:38:22.880 boys came over, but it was just to study. And 0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:24.920 he said he was always there, but you know, sometimes 0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:26.319 a guy has to take a walk, and so if 0:38:26.320 --> 0:38:29.960 he ever left the house, Red was there. And they're like, 0:38:30.000 --> 0:38:32.560 who the hell is Red? And the grandfather's like, oh, oh, 0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:34.520 I better not say anything else. I don't want Coora 0:38:34.560 --> 0:38:36.880 getting pissed at me. So we find out later that 0:38:36.920 --> 0:38:39.279 Red was Coorra's boyfriend and that he would occasionally be 0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:41.920 alone in the house with Aretha. But there is nothing 0:38:41.960 --> 0:38:44.359 in the police report about a boyfriend. So now they 0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:47.000 ask Cora about it. Coora is upset when they asked 0:38:47.000 --> 0:38:48.799 her about Red. They're like, She's like, who told you 0:38:48.840 --> 0:38:51.319 about that? And then she's like, this doesn't bring Aretha back? 0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:53.880 And then she you know, pulls it together and is like, Okay, 0:38:53.960 --> 0:38:56.040 Red was married, we were having an affair, and I 0:38:56.080 --> 0:38:57.759 didn't want to drag him and his whole family through 0:38:57.760 --> 0:39:00.160 this whole thing. He was an ex ray technician at 0:39:00.160 --> 0:39:04.239 the hospital where I worked as a nurse. After Aretha's disappearance, 0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:06.920 he moved to Uniondale, which is also on Long Island. 0:39:06.920 --> 0:39:09.440 We're doing a lot of visiting to Long Island this episode. 0:39:09.920 --> 0:39:14.000 So now Benson is meeting with TRILD Division Chief Lorraine Maxwell. 0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:17.400 And this is Betty Buckley. She's been recurring in a 0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:21.080 few of these more recent seasons. And I didn't know this, 0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:23.239 but she is a Broadway legend. I don't even know 0:39:23.239 --> 0:39:25.440 if we've ever talked about this. She won a Tony 0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:28.960 Award for originating the role of Grizabella in the original Cats. 0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:32.640 So big, big Broadway baby here, and. 0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:37.839 You could tell she's highly educated, she's rich, she's powerful, 0:39:38.040 --> 0:39:38.960 she's thoughtful. 0:39:39.120 --> 0:39:40.760 She went to Barnard, you know what I mean. 0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:43.480 Yes, totally Trial division chief. I don't really know what 0:39:43.520 --> 0:39:46.719 that means, but it seems like she's well compensated, and 0:39:47.480 --> 0:39:50.160 she's just as disgusted about these tactics that were used 0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:53.200 to track down Libby. They found two other cases where 0:39:53.200 --> 0:39:56.680 there were convictions a kid who was assaulted at age 0:39:56.800 --> 0:39:59.080 nine and then later picked up at age seventeen in 0:39:59.120 --> 0:40:02.479 the Bronx and convicted of carjacking, and then a sex 0:40:02.520 --> 0:40:05.040 worker who was raped two years earlier and then was 0:40:05.080 --> 0:40:07.920 recently convicted of forgery and wire fraud. And then now 0:40:07.960 --> 0:40:10.600 there's Libby. And they're like, we did find that all 0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:12.640 six of the breaches in the system were made by 0:40:12.640 --> 0:40:14.759 this same guy, Harry Kent, and they were all at 0:40:14.760 --> 0:40:18.120 the request of Detective Zabo. Okay, so liv Is like, yeah, 0:40:18.120 --> 0:40:20.320 Henry should have stood trial for Libby's rape, but he 0:40:20.360 --> 0:40:23.440 got himself back into the mental hospital and Libby's probably 0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:26.759 been spiraling, and Cariesy's like, yeah, but the victim did 0:40:26.760 --> 0:40:29.600 id her she had watches like she had the watches, 0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:32.320 and Benson's like, I don't give a fuck. This set's 0:40:32.320 --> 0:40:35.560 a dangerous precedent. The whole case needs to be thrown out. 0:40:35.760 --> 0:40:39.439 And Maxwell's like, I'll call the Queen's DA and I said, 0:40:39.440 --> 0:40:41.120 I wrote, I'm not sure how Queen's is involved here, 0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:42.600 but I know it's because that's where the crime took 0:40:42.600 --> 0:40:45.600 place of the theft of the watches. Velasco and Rollins 0:40:45.640 --> 0:40:48.120 are now back on Long Island talking to Red, Cora's 0:40:48.120 --> 0:40:50.680 old boyfriend, and he's sad to hear about Aretha. He's like, 0:40:51.040 --> 0:40:53.240 after she disappeared and then it was nine to eleven, 0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:55.000 I just wanted to get my shit together, so I 0:40:55.040 --> 0:40:57.480 moved my family out of the city to Long Island. 0:40:57.600 --> 0:41:00.200 And he said Aretha was really smart. She wanted to 0:41:00.239 --> 0:41:02.600 be a doctor. She was all about schoolwork. He offers 0:41:02.640 --> 0:41:04.040 to give his DNA as long as his wife and 0:41:04.120 --> 0:41:05.960 kids don't find out. So he really doesn't seem like 0:41:06.080 --> 0:41:08.120 the guy if he's like so willing to come forward 0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:09.440 with DNA and talk to the cops. 0:41:09.840 --> 0:41:11.839 And he says, tell Cora, my heart goes out. 0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:14.080 I haven't start I haven't stopped thinking about her and 0:41:14.200 --> 0:41:17.520 Nina And they're like yeah, and they're like, who the 0:41:17.520 --> 0:41:20.479 fuck is Nina? And they're like, Aretha's little sister. She'd 0:41:20.520 --> 0:41:23.720 be pushing thirty at this point, is what Red tells them. So, now, 0:41:24.120 --> 0:41:26.960 why is Cora leaving so many details out of this? 0:41:28.239 --> 0:41:31.000 Live is on the phone with Rollins and thinks it's 0:41:31.040 --> 0:41:34.680 weird that Cora hasn't mentioned Nina, and then you know, 0:41:34.800 --> 0:41:36.440 they figure it out and then she hangs up, and 0:41:36.520 --> 0:41:39.240 right as she hangs up, we see Detective Zabo blowing 0:41:39.239 --> 0:41:42.440 into the precinct like a hurricane and she's like, you got. 0:41:42.200 --> 0:41:43.320 Some nerve, Captain. 0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:46.279 Everyone's on my ass, but thank god, my captain has 0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:48.279 my back. And then she's like you're gonna need it. 0:41:48.320 --> 0:41:50.560 You on ethical bitch, And then she she's like, you 0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:54.480 violated NYPDS protocols about victim privacy and lives, Like, do 0:41:54.480 --> 0:41:55.880 you know how hard it is to get a victim 0:41:55.880 --> 0:41:58.040 to come forward and submit to an invasive rape kit, 0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:00.440 Like the least we can do is not use their 0:42:00.560 --> 0:42:03.319 DNA against them. And then she's like, well, tell that 0:42:03.360 --> 0:42:04.920 to the mother of a twenty five year old boy 0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:08.640 shot during a carjacking and live like shuts the door 0:42:08.840 --> 0:42:10.560 to the office, and this is where we get the 0:42:10.600 --> 0:42:13.200 real fucking tea. She goes, why don't you do some 0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:17.520 actual investigating instead of trading sexual favors for shortcuts to 0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:18.680 the DNA database. 0:42:19.440 --> 0:42:20.200 Done? Done. 0:42:20.239 --> 0:42:23.560 She's been fucking Harry Kent, this DNA guy, to get 0:42:23.600 --> 0:42:26.440 him to look up DNA in her cases, which is wild. 0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:29.799 And then Sabo turns it around on Benson. So maybe 0:42:29.800 --> 0:42:32.000 she knows some shit about Benson's past, because she goes, 0:42:32.200 --> 0:42:35.279 you're scolding me for doing favors for people I'm involved with. 0:42:35.400 --> 0:42:36.080 That's rich. 0:42:36.560 --> 0:42:42.240 So she's obviously talking about Dean Winter's aka Cassidy because 0:42:42.560 --> 0:42:45.000 you know, in a previous episode she was like kind 0:42:45.040 --> 0:42:47.120 of housing Cassidy while he was on the lamb for 0:42:47.800 --> 0:42:50.360 allegedly killing his molester, which he did not do, but 0:42:50.440 --> 0:42:50.799 he was. 0:42:51.200 --> 0:42:52.160 You know, a suspect. 0:42:52.640 --> 0:42:55.279 And so I guess everybody knows that about Benson in 0:42:55.320 --> 0:42:56.560 the cop world. 0:42:56.719 --> 0:42:59.879 And it's like, yeah, so she's fucking the nrty lack guy. 0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:02.880 They always been the rules at sv you know, for Simon, 0:43:03.120 --> 0:43:04.439 she did a lot like. 0:43:04.480 --> 0:43:07.239 For Simon, for Kathleen. I mean, they're all doing shit 0:43:07.320 --> 0:43:09.440 for family. I mean, if I had a cop relative, 0:43:09.480 --> 0:43:11.680 i'd be like, hello, parking tickets, like come on. 0:43:12.280 --> 0:43:13.400 So like I got. 0:43:13.280 --> 0:43:15.680 Another fucking I got more money that I have to 0:43:15.680 --> 0:43:18.239 pay for my fucking towing that happened months ago. Oh 0:43:18.280 --> 0:43:21.719 why yes, because when they took my car, my registration 0:43:22.000 --> 0:43:24.239 was expired, so I got an additional ticket for that, 0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:26.840 even though I updated it. But I haven't been home, 0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:28.839 so it's now instead of ninety dollars, it's like two 0:43:28.920 --> 0:43:29.800 hundred and seventy dollars. 0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:33.440 But like, fuck everyone, fuck la, fuck cars. 0:43:33.640 --> 0:43:39.000 I just like, I just want some I want to 0:43:39.040 --> 0:43:40.880 live like mister big you know, I want baba. 0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:44.640 I just want like driver, Yeah, I want a driver. Yeah. 0:43:44.640 --> 0:43:46.080 I want to be like Bethenny Frankel. 0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:48.920 I want to be crying hysterically and the man driving 0:43:48.960 --> 0:43:51.560 me around going, oh, miss Lisa, it's okay. 0:43:52.480 --> 0:43:55.960 And he's your best and only friend. Yeah, when you're 0:43:56.000 --> 0:44:01.160 going through a tragedy, okay. So anyway, Benson's like, fuck you, Sabo, 0:44:01.239 --> 0:44:03.920 I've never put a rape victim in jeopardy, and she goes, oh, 0:44:03.920 --> 0:44:06.080 you've never put your finger on the scale for a 0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:09.120 former partner or an iab rat so I don't know 0:44:09.120 --> 0:44:11.840 if she's bringing up maloney there too, because. 0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:14.880 I'm borrow, yeah, borrow or tomorrow. 0:44:15.080 --> 0:44:17.719 So it's like they're shit going on, and it's like, 0:44:17.800 --> 0:44:19.040 damn this bitch ros. 0:44:20.040 --> 0:44:23.400 Yeah, there's a lot of nonsense at SV. 0:44:23.600 --> 0:44:27.719 Yeah, and this bitch knows lives business like she knows everything. 0:44:28.040 --> 0:44:29.080 But it's so different. 0:44:29.200 --> 0:44:32.480 This is like all stuff for this is like you 0:44:32.520 --> 0:44:38.360 are violating victims rights and privacy and going against the 0:44:38.360 --> 0:44:42.680 like Fourth Amendment rights to close cases instead of actually 0:44:42.719 --> 0:44:43.960 do I love what she goes, how about you do 0:44:44.000 --> 0:44:45.960 some investigating Like that's my favorite. 0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:48.839 Yeah, she's like, go do some investigating, get some subpoenas, 0:44:48.880 --> 0:44:51.520 like actually figure this out, Like you're kind of you're 0:44:51.600 --> 0:44:53.600 just doing it for shortcut, because like you found this 0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:55.719 girl in twelve hours, you could have maybe found her 0:44:55.760 --> 0:44:57.800 other ways, you know anyway. 0:44:58.520 --> 0:44:59.160 Uh. 0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:01.480 I Also, that guy wouldn't have called the cops if 0:45:01.520 --> 0:45:04.799 he thought Libby had done it, yeah, because he likes 0:45:04.680 --> 0:45:06.640 He probably wouldn't have You're right, he probably would have 0:45:06.680 --> 0:45:08.320 just tried to get in touch with her and said, babe, 0:45:08.800 --> 0:45:11.239 come back, I want the watches back, but I forgive you. 0:45:13.000 --> 0:45:16.120 So after she makes that accusation about the former partner 0:45:16.160 --> 0:45:18.160 and the ib rat lives, like, get the fuck out 0:45:18.160 --> 0:45:19.960 of my office, and they keep screaming at each other, 0:45:20.000 --> 0:45:22.000 and it's like a full fucking showdown. Like I don't 0:45:22.040 --> 0:45:24.319 think I've seen live have a back and forth with 0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:28.680 like another person like this or not in a while. 0:45:28.880 --> 0:45:31.600 Like it's a great showdown. And then she slams the 0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:34.600 door in Zabo's face and she's like bye, and so 0:45:35.000 --> 0:45:35.680 that's the end of. 0:45:35.600 --> 0:45:38.600 Actuating she sucks Zabo. 0:45:38.760 --> 0:45:42.840 But like it's usually Surproicoh, it's usually some guy with 0:45:42.920 --> 0:45:46.000 eyebrows and it's really annoying and enraging. But this was 0:45:46.160 --> 0:45:50.799 like entertaining. This is entertainment. This was like such a 0:45:50.840 --> 0:45:53.320 good scene. You could tell their chemistry. I was obsessed. 0:45:53.719 --> 0:45:57.000 Yeah, yeah, And so h top of A four, they're 0:45:57.040 --> 0:45:59.759 talking to Korra and she says, well, the cops never 0:45:59.760 --> 0:46:02.279 asked me if I had another kid. And Nina was 0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:04.719 upset about her sister and she was crying, so I 0:46:04.719 --> 0:46:06.279 sent her to a neighbor's house. I didn't want the 0:46:06.320 --> 0:46:09.120 cops to get her like more upset. And it's like, 0:46:09.480 --> 0:46:11.799 seems weird. There wasn't like a picture of the other 0:46:11.840 --> 0:46:14.359 girl in the house. Like the cops just never knew 0:46:14.400 --> 0:46:16.760 there was another child residing at the residence. 0:46:16.800 --> 0:46:17.360 That's weird. 0:46:17.880 --> 0:46:19.480 So they say, we need to talk to Nina, and 0:46:20.040 --> 0:46:22.200 Cora and her dad are like, naw, we don't fuck 0:46:22.200 --> 0:46:24.640 with her anymore. She chose drugs, she chose life on 0:46:24.680 --> 0:46:26.759 the street. And the mom says, I haven't seen her 0:46:26.800 --> 0:46:29.319 in five years. I already lost one daughter. I didn't 0:46:29.360 --> 0:46:31.520 want to watch another just fade away in front of me. 0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:34.920 So sad, but also she could be traumatized about her 0:46:34.960 --> 0:46:39.879 missing sister. So they go sorry to her, and she goes, 0:46:39.920 --> 0:46:41.560 don't be I ran out of tears for her a 0:46:41.560 --> 0:46:43.920 long time ago, is what Cora says about Nina. 0:46:44.120 --> 0:46:46.080 And then she's brutal. What a sad life? 0:46:46.200 --> 0:46:49.239 Yeah, and she she says she always thought that they'd 0:46:49.239 --> 0:46:52.879 find Nina before they found Aretha. So she's really sad. 0:46:53.400 --> 0:46:55.440 So they look up Nina's record. She's been in and 0:46:55.480 --> 0:46:58.239 out of jail, prostitution, possession, and now she's in a 0:46:58.280 --> 0:47:02.400 halfway house. So they go there and the guy there 0:47:02.560 --> 0:47:04.640 says that Nina's been doing really well and that she's 0:47:04.640 --> 0:47:07.080 been working her program, but that then her grandfather came 0:47:07.120 --> 0:47:09.959 by to visit earlier that day and Nina seemed really 0:47:10.040 --> 0:47:12.319 upset and they went out for she went out for 0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:14.280 a smoke and she never came back, and he's scared 0:47:14.280 --> 0:47:17.160 that she's out trying to score. So now, sorry, it's 0:47:17.160 --> 0:47:19.520 still confusing with going back between the two stories. Libby 0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:22.600 now is at Cariese's office and she's like, what do 0:47:22.640 --> 0:47:24.840 you mean, Like, why is my DNA out there? And 0:47:24.840 --> 0:47:26.319 they're trying to kind of explain it to her, and 0:47:26.360 --> 0:47:27.720 she's like, I should just plead guilty. 0:47:27.800 --> 0:47:28.120 I did it. 0:47:28.160 --> 0:47:30.000 I don't want to be like Henry Messner and like 0:47:30.080 --> 0:47:33.040 play the system and lives Like, okay, you can make 0:47:33.080 --> 0:47:36.360 restitution for what you did, but like, we can't set 0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:39.080 this as a precedent that people can find DNA this way. 0:47:39.800 --> 0:47:41.840 And they're like, well tell it to the Queen's DA 0:47:41.880 --> 0:47:45.000 because the Queen's granjury just handed down an indictment. So 0:47:45.040 --> 0:47:47.920 now at court and Queens Libby pleads not guilty and 0:47:48.040 --> 0:47:52.360 is roward. Detective Zabo is in court following up on 0:47:52.400 --> 0:47:55.359 her shit. She walks out and runs into Benson and 0:47:55.360 --> 0:47:59.080 Maxwell as they're walking in, and bet Maxwell's like, oh, Hi, 0:47:59.160 --> 0:48:01.400 what's up. We're gonna of you all of your arrests 0:48:01.440 --> 0:48:04.360 and you'll be hearing from us. And she's like Zabo 0:48:04.360 --> 0:48:06.520 goes glad you have the time for that, and then 0:48:06.600 --> 0:48:09.160 walks out. I mean, she sucks, but she's a great 0:48:09.360 --> 0:48:11.560 like she gives good attitude, you know what I mean, 0:48:12.160 --> 0:48:14.160 Like if she was on you'd want her on your side, 0:48:14.239 --> 0:48:18.200 I think. So the judge is so pumped to see Maxwell. 0:48:18.280 --> 0:48:22.000 He's like, he's like, Lilian Maxwell, to what do I owe? 0:48:22.040 --> 0:48:24.160 It's not the US open like he loves this woman, 0:48:24.600 --> 0:48:26.279 and she's like, I've been trying to get in touch 0:48:26.320 --> 0:48:30.800 with the DA of Queens DA DraCos and the judge 0:48:30.840 --> 0:48:32.120 is like, oh, I can put in a call. 0:48:32.120 --> 0:48:33.200 All you have to do is take me to a 0:48:33.200 --> 0:48:33.760 steak dinner. 0:48:33.920 --> 0:48:37.520 And I like seeing this, uh you know, this handshaking 0:48:37.600 --> 0:48:40.360 going on with these weird judges. So they go see 0:48:40.400 --> 0:48:42.839 the DA DraCos and she's like, what's up. 0:48:42.920 --> 0:48:43.520 What do you want? 0:48:43.880 --> 0:48:45.759 And they're like, we want you to drop this case 0:48:45.800 --> 0:48:47.760 and she's like why the girl's guilty of a felony 0:48:47.800 --> 0:48:50.160 and Thenson's like, yes, but this detective should never have 0:48:50.280 --> 0:48:54.400 access to the DNA, and Lilian's like every subsequent finding 0:48:54.480 --> 0:48:57.960 is tainted and the DA goes under what law and 0:48:58.000 --> 0:49:00.000 she's like, I have sympathy for rape victims, but they 0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:03.240 don't get a get out of jail free card. And 0:49:03.320 --> 0:49:05.680 she's like, if I drop this one, where does it stop? 0:49:06.000 --> 0:49:08.400 And it's like live is like what message does it 0:49:08.480 --> 0:49:10.399 zend to rate victims to know that their DNA could 0:49:10.400 --> 0:49:12.960 be used against them? This will completely chill reporting and 0:49:12.960 --> 0:49:15.400 set us back decades. She goes, well, then you should 0:49:15.400 --> 0:49:19.200 be fixing your problem with the OCME, like, I guess, 0:49:20.200 --> 0:49:22.600 and they're like, we're not dropping this, and she's like, 0:49:22.640 --> 0:49:23.720 well't me neither, bitch. 0:49:23.760 --> 0:49:25.360 So I don't know what you want to do. 0:49:25.440 --> 0:49:27.840 And then Maxwell leans in and goes, you're not on 0:49:27.880 --> 0:49:30.879 a moral high ground here. This is quicksand and they 0:49:30.920 --> 0:49:34.000 walk out and the DA does look nervous. She looks like, fuck, 0:49:34.080 --> 0:49:37.520 maybe I shouldn't have put this all into getting like 0:49:38.200 --> 0:49:40.759 the watches, like it's watch theft and the watches have 0:49:40.800 --> 0:49:43.160 been returned, like this seems like an. 0:49:43.040 --> 0:49:45.360 Easy case to drop. 0:49:46.000 --> 0:49:50.280 Velasco and Rollins are now at this you know, sketchy building, 0:49:50.480 --> 0:49:53.759 questioning a dealer about Nina and he goes, she didn't 0:49:53.800 --> 0:49:55.479 have the cash. So she's out trying to do sex 0:49:55.520 --> 0:49:58.239 work to make money for it for drugs. So then 0:49:58.280 --> 0:50:01.759 they find her and she is is, you know, just 0:50:01.920 --> 0:50:04.319 walking away from a car or whatever, and they're like 0:50:05.080 --> 0:50:06.919 flash their badges and she's like, I was just giving 0:50:06.920 --> 0:50:08.520 that guy directions and then they're like, no, we need 0:50:08.520 --> 0:50:10.520 to talk to you about Aretha. So in the next scene, 0:50:10.640 --> 0:50:13.799 Nina's with them in the precinct and she's like, yeah, 0:50:13.840 --> 0:50:15.600 my grandfather told me they found Aretha. 0:50:15.760 --> 0:50:17.280 I thought it was another one of his lies. 0:50:17.440 --> 0:50:19.960 And then so they're like, we told Cora about how 0:50:19.960 --> 0:50:22.839 Aretha was pregnant, and Nina's like, why'd you tell her that? 0:50:23.000 --> 0:50:24.480 Like I knew she was pregnant, but I didn't want 0:50:24.520 --> 0:50:26.920 my mom to find out and her my grandfather said 0:50:26.960 --> 0:50:29.080 it would kill her, and it's like, so he knew 0:50:29.120 --> 0:50:31.440 she was pregnant. Like everyone knew this girl was pregnant, 0:50:31.480 --> 0:50:34.600 except for Cora. So then we find out through a 0:50:34.680 --> 0:50:38.160 Garland Creesy walk and talk that the grandfather is a 0:50:38.239 --> 0:50:41.360 match for the fetal bones Done done, so he's not 0:50:41.560 --> 0:50:44.640 Cora's biological dad, and he refused a lawyer, so maybe 0:50:44.680 --> 0:50:46.920 he's ready to confess. And now we're talking to this 0:50:47.000 --> 0:50:49.600 grandpa that we've been seeing the whole time, and he 0:50:49.640 --> 0:50:53.000 admits that when his girlfriend told him she was pregnant, 0:50:53.280 --> 0:50:55.239 he had doubts that it what might not be his 0:50:55.400 --> 0:50:57.200 child because he was in the National Guard and he 0:50:57.239 --> 0:50:59.000 was out of town all the time. But he said, 0:50:59.040 --> 0:51:01.279 I stepped up the right thing. I married her and 0:51:01.320 --> 0:51:04.280 I treated Cora like my own child. So this explains 0:51:04.320 --> 0:51:07.160 why the DNA doesn't match. So then he admits that 0:51:07.160 --> 0:51:10.480 Aretha dying was an accident. When she told him that 0:51:10.680 --> 0:51:13.920 she was pregnant, he said, you cannot have this baby, 0:51:14.120 --> 0:51:16.240 and she said she was going to tell Coora her mom, 0:51:16.480 --> 0:51:18.360 and he tried to reason with her. He says he 0:51:18.400 --> 0:51:20.440 got angry. He shook her and she fell against the 0:51:20.480 --> 0:51:22.320 tub and hit her head. He did not mean to 0:51:22.400 --> 0:51:25.000 kill her. He loved her. She was the light of 0:51:25.000 --> 0:51:28.000 his life. And then he goes and us together. She 0:51:28.200 --> 0:51:30.279 was not my grandchild, so it was not a sin 0:51:30.320 --> 0:51:33.240 against God. And it's like she was thirteen, you fucking 0:51:33.320 --> 0:51:36.839 freak like and you are by all accounts her grandfather like. 0:51:37.480 --> 0:51:38.120 And I like that. 0:51:38.160 --> 0:51:40.760 It's like shaking sent sense to her and the senses 0:51:40.800 --> 0:51:42.200 don't tell your mother that you. 0:51:42.400 --> 0:51:45.080 Are like what, yeah, I. 0:51:45.080 --> 0:51:47.879 Mean the mental gymnastics of this man, and I hope 0:51:47.880 --> 0:51:50.080 he dies a terrible death in prison. 0:51:50.520 --> 0:51:54.280 Right, So he's gonna die and ice cold. 0:51:54.520 --> 0:51:57.840 Yeah, it's just scary to think that you are living 0:51:57.880 --> 0:51:59.880 with a person that's supposed to care about you for 0:52:00.120 --> 0:52:02.879 years and years and this is who they are deep down, 0:52:03.000 --> 0:52:04.640 just hiding their monstrousness. 0:52:04.680 --> 0:52:10.680 It's scary. Yeah, completely, so awful, manipulating everyone. 0:52:10.719 --> 0:52:14.640 Everyone's life's gone to shit, everyone's miserable around you, someone 0:52:14.760 --> 0:52:17.560 is dead. You don't think you've done anything wrong. You're 0:52:17.760 --> 0:52:20.560 the sister's a drug addict, like, everyone's having all this issues, 0:52:20.560 --> 0:52:22.319 and you're just like, what, I. 0:52:22.239 --> 0:52:22.960 Didn't do anything. 0:52:23.000 --> 0:52:26.480 Yeah, yeah, it's not a sin against God. It's like 0:52:27.080 --> 0:52:29.640 you've done something illegal against the law. You've done something 0:52:30.239 --> 0:52:32.919 in many way two things, killing her and raping her 0:52:33.000 --> 0:52:35.840 are both illegal. But if it's not a sin against 0:52:35.840 --> 0:52:37.440 the Lord, we can live with it. 0:52:37.840 --> 0:52:40.520 That's this kind of person that, Yeah, I forgot that 0:52:40.520 --> 0:52:42.440 the Bible lets you like rape kids and stuff. 0:52:42.560 --> 0:52:42.920 Yeah. 0:52:43.040 --> 0:52:48.080 Yeah, So we we find out he's gonna die in jail, 0:52:48.120 --> 0:52:51.880 so they're gonna go tell Kora. As for the DNA situation, 0:52:52.080 --> 0:52:54.120 Maxwell's like, I think I got it figured out and 0:52:54.120 --> 0:52:56.759 then she tells Live this like crazy. She goes, well, 0:52:56.760 --> 0:52:58.719 I had dinner with that judge who's obsessed with me. 0:52:59.040 --> 0:53:01.760 He got sauced on too many drinks and told her 0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:06.440 that he asked Mausam maccarr's character to request a bench 0:53:06.520 --> 0:53:08.399 trial for Libby, and then he's totally going to find 0:53:08.400 --> 0:53:09.000 her not guilty. 0:53:09.040 --> 0:53:09.920 You know, a bench trial. 0:53:10.040 --> 0:53:12.040 You know this, Lisa, But just in case anybody forgets, 0:53:12.120 --> 0:53:13.799 is I think when you put it all in the 0:53:13.840 --> 0:53:16.759 judge's hands. So I think we saw this in the 0:53:16.760 --> 0:53:19.880 episode Poison with Tom Scarett. The woman knew that he 0:53:19.920 --> 0:53:23.080 favored her, so she asked for a bench trial, and 0:53:23.160 --> 0:53:25.440 so he's going to find her not guilty, and then 0:53:25.480 --> 0:53:28.759 he's got some ideas about her other convictions as well, 0:53:29.000 --> 0:53:33.240 because he's got the scalding hot tea on Da DraCos 0:53:33.360 --> 0:53:36.319 whose husband was cheating on her. So she cut and 0:53:36.360 --> 0:53:40.680 pasted this judge's signature on orders for a wiretap, and 0:53:40.760 --> 0:53:42.840 he just knew about that, and he's just been sitting 0:53:42.880 --> 0:53:46.759 on it. So now it's like, you know, he basically 0:53:46.800 --> 0:53:48.040 forced her hand on this. 0:53:48.520 --> 0:53:50.200 And so now we click on the TV. 0:53:50.360 --> 0:53:52.279 As always on this show, we click on the TV 0:53:52.480 --> 0:53:56.399 right as a you know, a press conference is going 0:53:56.440 --> 0:53:59.319 on and the DA from Queen's DraCos is making a 0:53:59.320 --> 0:54:02.719 statement and she's sitting there. She's got SABO on one 0:54:02.719 --> 0:54:04.920 side of her, she's got the OCME General counsel on 0:54:04.960 --> 0:54:07.760 the other side, and she's going, we found a huge 0:54:07.840 --> 0:54:09.719 flaw in the system and we're going to fix it. 0:54:09.760 --> 0:54:10.719 And it's wild. 0:54:10.760 --> 0:54:13.319 Like Benson's like, you're going to fix the flaw that 0:54:13.360 --> 0:54:16.319 you created and then like wanted to ignore until you've 0:54:16.320 --> 0:54:19.160 got your fucking ass handed to you for being a psycho. 0:54:19.760 --> 0:54:23.759 And so now she's crusading about making this practice illegal 0:54:24.040 --> 0:54:26.600 and like Benson's like, wow, that is hootspa. 0:54:26.719 --> 0:54:28.240 But either way, it got done. 0:54:28.520 --> 0:54:31.560 And Betty Buckley's character goes, I've learned the best way 0:54:31.600 --> 0:54:33.480 to get anything done is to let other people take 0:54:33.520 --> 0:54:33.960 the credit. 0:54:34.719 --> 0:54:35.760 And she ain't wrong. 0:54:35.800 --> 0:54:39.399 Another Yeah, that's a that's a really good lesson too. 0:54:40.160 --> 0:54:40.399 Yeah. 0:54:40.400 --> 0:54:42.400 I mean, I know, we you and I have been 0:54:42.440 --> 0:54:43.920 talking about things where we're like we need to make 0:54:43.960 --> 0:54:46.200 people think that they thought of it themselves, you know 0:54:46.200 --> 0:54:48.640 what I mean, Like you have to kind of play 0:54:48.640 --> 0:54:50.960 into people's ego a little bit sometimes. 0:54:50.680 --> 0:54:51.439 To get what you want. 0:54:52.120 --> 0:54:55.399 Okay, so in the final scene, Cora and Nina are 0:54:55.440 --> 0:54:57.920 like walking hand in hand, like arm in arm, like 0:54:57.960 --> 0:55:00.319 thank god they're back reunited at least, like, you know, 0:55:00.360 --> 0:55:03.360 the family's not completely shattered. And she's like over the 0:55:03.360 --> 0:55:05.840 whole thing with her father who's not really her father. 0:55:06.200 --> 0:55:08.279 She's like, it's over now. All that matters is that 0:55:08.360 --> 0:55:10.040 it's me and Nina. We're going to have a service 0:55:10.040 --> 0:55:13.359 for Aretha. And then they they you know, walk off, 0:55:13.400 --> 0:55:15.920 and we hope that at least they have some closure 0:55:15.920 --> 0:55:17.919 and can work on their relationship and that hopefully Nina 0:55:17.920 --> 0:55:21.520 gets her life on track. And Garland says to Rollins 0:55:21.520 --> 0:55:24.000 and Careesy like this is kind of case. Does not 0:55:24.040 --> 0:55:25.840 make me miss being a cop. And then he's like, 0:55:25.880 --> 0:55:29.399 godspeed guy's checulator. And then Releasi go arm in arm 0:55:29.480 --> 0:55:31.759 off into a beautiful New York day And that's Dick 0:55:31.800 --> 0:55:32.400 Wolf Bibbie. 0:55:33.440 --> 0:55:37.080 But a great rate episode. Yeah, really good. 0:55:37.239 --> 0:55:40.960 And I so, how are the two cases related, just 0:55:41.000 --> 0:55:45.840 like DNA and evidence and finding safe mistakes in the system, 0:55:46.000 --> 0:55:48.359 Like what why did they connect? Why do they make 0:55:48.440 --> 0:55:51.880 these two oh tangled strands of justice? 0:55:52.480 --> 0:55:53.720 Because I thought that was DNA? 0:55:53.880 --> 0:55:55.960 Well, yeah, I think it is because I think DNA 0:55:56.080 --> 0:55:59.360 is eventually what busts the grandfather, and it's like it 0:55:59.440 --> 0:56:01.919 is a very important part of Aretha's case as well. 0:56:02.160 --> 0:56:04.880 So I kind of wish there had been more of 0:56:05.040 --> 0:56:09.160 like a discovery of that, Like there wasn't much of 0:56:09.160 --> 0:56:10.839 a discovery, which just like, oh, so it turns out 0:56:10.880 --> 0:56:13.680 he's not really the dad, like and the DNA matches, 0:56:13.760 --> 0:56:16.000 like we just kind of bypassed that, like that was 0:56:16.040 --> 0:56:17.480 more of a tell, don't show moment. 0:56:18.000 --> 0:56:20.600 But yeah, this is a great episode. 0:56:20.680 --> 0:56:23.239 And sometimes I don't like the ones where there's three 0:56:23.320 --> 0:56:25.239 stories going on at the same time, but two it 0:56:25.320 --> 0:56:26.160 kind of works for me. 0:56:26.400 --> 0:56:28.719 Yeah, so we can handle two. I can follow, you 0:56:28.800 --> 0:56:29.799 can follow an A and a B. 0:56:30.760 --> 0:56:33.839 But yeah, I know that this is based I've read 0:56:34.000 --> 0:56:35.879 very little on what this is based on. So I'm 0:56:35.960 --> 0:56:37.880 looking forward to you telling me so we will be 0:56:38.520 --> 0:56:39.080 r B. 0:56:52.160 --> 0:56:56.200 So this is obviously really current since it was also 0:56:56.239 --> 0:57:00.000 a new episode, but it is hard to research things 0:57:00.200 --> 0:57:03.759 that are truly happening within months from today, like a 0:57:03.800 --> 0:57:07.720 few months before, like all kind of active. It's pretty 0:57:07.719 --> 0:57:13.799 interesting and just a different experience. But so this is 0:57:13.840 --> 0:57:16.120 based on two crimes. We're going to focus on the 0:57:16.200 --> 0:57:19.120 DNA part since the other crime has been covered in 0:57:19.120 --> 0:57:22.000 a few other SVU episodes, so we will talk about 0:57:22.040 --> 0:57:23.800 it one day, but we're just going to focus on 0:57:23.880 --> 0:57:29.600 the DNA psycho situation being used of victims. So, in 0:57:29.600 --> 0:57:32.760 twenty sixteen, a victim who is in San Francisco had 0:57:32.760 --> 0:57:35.640 her DNA collected and stored in the system in a 0:57:35.680 --> 0:57:39.680 domestic violence and sexual assault case. Jane Doe, and she 0:57:39.720 --> 0:57:42.480 will be referred to that throughout. Her identity has not 0:57:42.560 --> 0:57:45.440 been revealed. She told police in twenty sixteen that she 0:57:45.480 --> 0:57:49.040 had been raped by her mother's boyfriend, who also then 0:57:49.200 --> 0:57:52.920 killed her mother. Doe and her sister were being sexually 0:57:53.000 --> 0:57:55.600 abused by their mother's boyfriend and that someone from her 0:57:55.640 --> 0:57:58.720 school reported it to the police, and the girl and 0:57:58.760 --> 0:58:00.920 her sibling were taken out of the home, which prompted 0:58:00.920 --> 0:58:03.480 the boyfriend to confront her mother about the allegations and 0:58:03.520 --> 0:58:05.320 then he straight up fucking murdered her. 0:58:06.120 --> 0:58:08.600 The officer, and I know, the. 0:58:08.560 --> 0:58:11.280 Officer who investigated the sex abuse came to the funeral 0:58:11.320 --> 0:58:13.840 to apologize, And that's like very Elliott Stabler. 0:58:13.920 --> 0:58:15.080 Nobody needs you at a funeral. 0:58:16.280 --> 0:58:18.360 You can schedule an appointment in a week or two 0:58:18.520 --> 0:58:20.880 like you're supposed to protect that family. You did the 0:58:20.920 --> 0:58:23.960 wrong thing. You took them like you did not protect everybody. 0:58:24.560 --> 0:58:28.560 And the funeral is not the place to get forgiveness 0:58:29.480 --> 0:58:32.800 unless you're there just just shickley mourn, like fuck this guy. 0:58:33.800 --> 0:58:37.479 So for a long time, the woman understood and knew 0:58:37.480 --> 0:58:40.680 the police was never there for her best interests. And 0:58:40.760 --> 0:58:45.360 then her DNA was using an unrelated property climb slash theft, 0:58:45.400 --> 0:58:49.120 slash burglary. It's kind of unclear what it is, and 0:58:49.200 --> 0:58:52.320 every source kind of says something different. Her DNA was 0:58:52.320 --> 0:58:55.160 in the police Department crime lab database and was tied 0:58:55.320 --> 0:58:58.960 to a burglary in late twenty twenty one, years after 0:58:59.560 --> 0:59:03.200 her twenty sixteen assaults. She was arrested in December twenty 0:59:03.240 --> 0:59:07.000 twenty one and charged with burglary, slash, retail theft, slash proper. 0:59:07.160 --> 0:59:08.040 I mean, I don't know. 0:59:08.280 --> 0:59:11.600 That it sounds like shoplifting. I'll be honest, Like it 0:59:11.680 --> 0:59:15.320 sounds like shoplifting. It's like not the worst crime. 0:59:16.560 --> 0:59:20.160 No, And she ended up having was held in jail 0:59:20.200 --> 0:59:22.640 for several months because she could not afford bail. 0:59:23.000 --> 0:59:28.760 Fuck you are you serious? Yes, yeah, for burglary, retail theft. 0:59:29.200 --> 0:59:31.920 This is why we need to get rid of cash 0:59:31.960 --> 0:59:33.240 bail Ugh. 0:59:34.360 --> 0:59:37.080 She said, according to the San Francisco Chronicle, that the 0:59:37.120 --> 0:59:39.720 incident made her feel like she was reliving her trauma 0:59:39.760 --> 0:59:43.920 all over again and reliving all that stuff. This obviously 0:59:43.960 --> 0:59:48.000 caused a national outcry from advocates, law enforcement, legal experts, 0:59:48.000 --> 0:59:50.960 and lawmakers, since this could affect victim's willingness to come 0:59:50.960 --> 0:59:53.400 forward to authorities after being assaulted. 0:59:53.600 --> 0:59:55.760 They very well covered this in the episode. 0:59:56.040 --> 0:59:58.600 Already we know that eighty percent of like sex crimes 0:59:58.640 --> 1:00:02.040 do not even get reported at all. It's so invasive, 1:00:02.080 --> 1:00:04.640 it's so fucked up. Rape kits don't get tested. It's 1:00:05.040 --> 1:00:09.320 it's already so rare and brave that people come forward, 1:00:09.360 --> 1:00:12.440 and then to have this happen is just pretty horrible. 1:00:13.680 --> 1:00:16.560 And it also violates the victim's Fourth Amendment rights, which 1:00:16.600 --> 1:00:20.840 protects people from unreasonable searches and seizures. And there is 1:00:20.880 --> 1:00:24.600 already a federal law that prohibits the inclusion of victims 1:00:24.680 --> 1:00:29.840 DNA and the National Combined DNA Index system. Yet the 1:00:29.840 --> 1:00:32.680 San Francisco Police Department Crime Lab director said that this 1:00:33.000 --> 1:00:37.760 was standard practice. Dan Crane, a biology professor at Wright 1:00:37.880 --> 1:00:39.560 State University in Dayton, Ohio. 1:00:39.720 --> 1:00:40.080 Whoop. 1:00:40.440 --> 1:00:42.200 I don't know why, but our friend went to college 1:00:42.240 --> 1:00:45.360 in Dayton, not even at that school. Okay, But he 1:00:45.520 --> 1:00:48.200 said even with the federal law that in general, there's 1:00:48.240 --> 1:00:51.000 a lack of state and local laws across the country 1:00:51.000 --> 1:00:54.240 that restrict what can be done with local DNA databases. 1:00:54.920 --> 1:00:58.280 Most law enforcement, he says, act like stamp collectors when 1:00:58.320 --> 1:01:01.200 it comes to collecting DNA, and the more people they 1:01:01.200 --> 1:01:03.480 can get in the database, the happier they are. 1:01:03.960 --> 1:01:07.439 This would be like a munch Field day if munch 1:01:07.520 --> 1:01:09.320 was still on the squad, like you know, he was 1:01:09.360 --> 1:01:12.440 so against the whole like collecting our DNA so they 1:01:12.440 --> 1:01:14.960 can use it for other shit, like big brother of 1:01:15.000 --> 1:01:15.280 it all. 1:01:15.440 --> 1:01:18.160 You know, too bad, he's gone, too bad. He's living 1:01:18.200 --> 1:01:22.960 a life in France. But I'm just saying, like, you know. 1:01:23.560 --> 1:01:25.520 Yeah, and I like the idea of the stamp collecting 1:01:25.560 --> 1:01:27.360 because it's kind of like, you know, they won't try 1:01:27.440 --> 1:01:29.800 cases if they can't win because they care about their 1:01:29.800 --> 1:01:34.120 record or they you know, it's just like all about 1:01:34.160 --> 1:01:37.520 them and it's not about anyone else. Or even like 1:01:37.760 --> 1:01:40.680 how cops have to go like ticket people at the 1:01:40.760 --> 1:01:43.360 end of the month to get their quotas everything is 1:01:43.440 --> 1:01:46.840 like about them and their and their stats and their 1:01:46.840 --> 1:01:49.360 information and how much DNA can we get because we're 1:01:49.440 --> 1:01:52.040 lazy fucks who can't do our job anyways. 1:01:52.200 --> 1:01:53.480 District Attorney CHESSA. 1:01:53.560 --> 1:01:57.360 Budin Boudin whatever is the benson of this whole situation, 1:01:57.480 --> 1:01:59.200 but is a man. And I had to go through 1:01:59.200 --> 1:02:01.240 my notes and change the whole way through. I was 1:02:01.520 --> 1:02:02.920 fortunately was recalled. 1:02:03.480 --> 1:02:05.600 Yes, I was. Yeah, I'm sorry. 1:02:05.600 --> 1:02:07.000 I didn't know if you were going to get to that, 1:02:07.080 --> 1:02:09.680 but it's such bullshit. I've read a lot about that. 1:02:10.520 --> 1:02:10.800 Yeah. 1:02:10.880 --> 1:02:12.640 I definitely thought it was a woman the whole time 1:02:12.680 --> 1:02:14.440 because of how good he was and caring. And then 1:02:14.440 --> 1:02:16.880 I was in his name, and then I was like, oh, 1:02:16.920 --> 1:02:21.400 that is a man. He has been recalled in. Yeah, 1:02:21.440 --> 1:02:24.439 we'll get to it. So she was searching through see, 1:02:24.480 --> 1:02:27.320 I wrote she. So he was searching through hundreds of 1:02:27.360 --> 1:02:30.200 pages of evidence against a woman who had been charged 1:02:30.200 --> 1:02:33.600 with this felony property crime. But after learning the source 1:02:33.720 --> 1:02:39.240 of the DNA evidence, Boodin dropped the charges. Bo was 1:02:39.320 --> 1:02:43.320 quoted saying that this treats victims like like evidence, not 1:02:43.480 --> 1:02:47.200 human beings. Shortly after this incident, the crime lab stopped 1:02:47.200 --> 1:02:49.960 the practice after receiving a complaint from the DA's office 1:02:50.000 --> 1:02:53.320 and changed its operating procedure to prevent the misuse of 1:02:53.400 --> 1:02:56.440 DNA in the future, because if police have access to data, 1:02:56.560 --> 1:02:58.520 they will find a way to search that data. 1:02:59.120 --> 1:03:00.600 Not they are not to be trusted. 1:03:01.160 --> 1:03:03.520 Our DNA is ways too sensitive to leave it for 1:03:03.600 --> 1:03:06.280 access by cops and prosecutors. 1:03:05.520 --> 1:03:07.160 On any whim that they decide. 1:03:07.360 --> 1:03:09.760 Yeah, not to mention they could like misuse it, like 1:03:09.880 --> 1:03:13.479 plant it, you know, like there's so many reasons why 1:03:13.520 --> 1:03:14.240 that should not be. 1:03:14.840 --> 1:03:19.440 Yeah, I wasn't even thinking about that, and yeah, So 1:03:19.520 --> 1:03:23.080 August twenty twenty two, California lawmakers approved a bill that 1:03:23.080 --> 1:03:27.080 would prohibit using the DNA profiles police collect from sexual 1:03:27.120 --> 1:03:30.640 assault survivors and other victims for any purpose other than 1:03:30.680 --> 1:03:34.640 aiding and identifying the perpetrator and to differentiate between their 1:03:34.720 --> 1:03:40.440 DNA and the suspects. Senator Winers legislation to protect sexual 1:03:40.440 --> 1:03:44.920 assault victims DNA past the Assembly and it received well. 1:03:44.920 --> 1:03:47.760 One source set it received a unanimous vote, and then 1:03:47.800 --> 1:03:50.360 another source said that there was a single dissenting vote 1:03:50.360 --> 1:03:53.240 and it was from an assembly member Marie Waldron, Republican, 1:03:53.360 --> 1:03:54.280 San Diego County. 1:03:54.400 --> 1:03:56.120 So I don't know, but we can't be surprised. 1:03:56.520 --> 1:04:00.160 Not shocking, and it's so not surprising. And so I 1:04:00.160 --> 1:04:02.480 did read about San Diego and Orange County and they 1:04:02.480 --> 1:04:06.360 have wild DNA practices that ACLU and MUNCH types alike 1:04:06.400 --> 1:04:08.880 have been having a lot of issues with. So in 1:04:08.960 --> 1:04:13.480 San Diego police were stopping juveniles and only letting them 1:04:13.600 --> 1:04:16.360 leave after they end quotes consented to the collection of 1:04:16.440 --> 1:04:17.600 DNA from children. 1:04:18.880 --> 1:04:18.960 What. 1:04:19.880 --> 1:04:22.840 Yeah, it was later outlawed, of course by California state law. 1:04:22.880 --> 1:04:25.560 But in San Diego they were just like bullying and 1:04:25.560 --> 1:04:27.520 stopping juveniles and being like, we're not letting you go 1:04:27.600 --> 1:04:29.720 unless you give us, unless we swab your mouth. 1:04:30.840 --> 1:04:33.440 Yeah, because it's like trying to it's just kind of 1:04:33.480 --> 1:04:36.960 trying to like create a full database of all people 1:04:37.120 --> 1:04:42.200 and all of our DNA, and I just find that 1:04:42.200 --> 1:04:45.280 that's too scary. There's some that just kids. There's too 1:04:45.320 --> 1:04:49.280 much room for misuse and mistreatment. You know, oh one 1:04:49.360 --> 1:04:51.320 Hondo in Orange. 1:04:50.920 --> 1:04:52.880 County, And I know that's not San Diego and has 1:04:52.880 --> 1:04:55.520 nothing to do with victims, but it's just like it's 1:04:55.560 --> 1:04:59.160 just so telling because it's also like super Republican y 1:04:59.240 --> 1:05:03.360 military air yet that are all about freedom and little government, 1:05:03.440 --> 1:05:06.640 and yet they're totally fine with taking people's DNAs against 1:05:06.680 --> 1:05:07.640 their well, you know. 1:05:07.560 --> 1:05:08.200 It's fucked up. 1:05:08.520 --> 1:05:10.800 So around Orange County they have a spit and a 1:05:10.880 --> 1:05:14.040 quip program where if people agree to provide a DNA 1:05:14.160 --> 1:05:17.760 sample for the local database, charges in petty misdemeanors will 1:05:17.760 --> 1:05:21.000 be dropped. The OC database has one hundred and fifty 1:05:21.080 --> 1:05:24.640 thousand people's DNA who would otherwise not have it, So 1:05:24.920 --> 1:05:25.960 just something to think about. 1:05:26.440 --> 1:05:28.520 It's so funny because it's like my dad never would 1:05:28.520 --> 1:05:30.120 get an easy pass and he'd be like, I don't 1:05:30.120 --> 1:05:31.960 want the government tracking where I'm going, and I'm like, 1:05:32.000 --> 1:05:34.600 you're such a loser, and like, get through tolls faster. 1:05:34.880 --> 1:05:36.680 No one is fucking tracking where you're going. 1:05:37.200 --> 1:05:40.000 But then like something like this, I'm like, yeah, the 1:05:40.000 --> 1:05:42.680 government shouldn't just have a bunch of loose DNA like 1:05:43.240 --> 1:05:43.920 to just know. 1:05:44.360 --> 1:05:46.440 So it's like if you don't pick up your dog's 1:05:46.440 --> 1:05:48.960 shit was one of the examples in the article, and 1:05:49.040 --> 1:05:51.320 you get in trouble for a petty misdemeanor, they're like, 1:05:51.320 --> 1:05:54.680 we'll drop it if you just let us have your DNA. Yeah, 1:05:54.720 --> 1:05:57.360 but I've also given my eyes to clear, so who 1:05:57.400 --> 1:05:57.600 am I? 1:06:00.000 --> 1:06:02.040 Who am I to judge? But your eyes are not 1:06:02.080 --> 1:06:02.760 a thing yet. 1:06:03.160 --> 1:06:05.440 I'm wondering, and we'll get into this when we do 1:06:05.600 --> 1:06:08.520 this episode. But like, you know, how they found the 1:06:08.560 --> 1:06:12.280 Golden State killer like partially through ancestry dot Com DNA. 1:06:12.360 --> 1:06:14.320 Like, I'm wondering how that's legal. 1:06:15.000 --> 1:06:17.640 Well, even though I do think let's find old serial 1:06:17.720 --> 1:06:20.560 killers that way, but I don't think let's like compel 1:06:20.600 --> 1:06:21.360 people's DNA. 1:06:21.440 --> 1:06:21.880 I don't know. 1:06:22.200 --> 1:06:26.760 Yeah, Maine and Maryland have just did legislation about like 1:06:26.960 --> 1:06:30.360 ancestry shit, but and not how to use DNA or not. 1:06:30.800 --> 1:06:35.320 But yeah, you know, for a different fucking day. Right. 1:06:35.440 --> 1:06:38.800 So the bill that I just talked about was sponsored 1:06:38.800 --> 1:06:42.560 by both the DA's office and the Prosecutor's Alliance of California, 1:06:42.680 --> 1:06:45.479 as well as Black Women Revolt, which is a group 1:06:45.520 --> 1:06:49.360 that provides resources and focuses on anti domestic violence advocacy 1:06:49.360 --> 1:06:53.400 for black women. The only approved use of victims DNA 1:06:53.560 --> 1:06:57.080 is to identify the perp, and that is that September 1:06:57.120 --> 1:06:59.920 thirtieth of this year, twenty twenty two, the Governor of Cala, 1:07:00.520 --> 1:07:04.120 Gavin Newsom, approved the bill and it was filed with 1:07:04.120 --> 1:07:07.520 the Secretary of State and signed into law. And I 1:07:07.560 --> 1:07:11.080 was trying to I tried really hard to find what 1:07:11.800 --> 1:07:13.800 the laws are in all the different states, and I 1:07:13.880 --> 1:07:14.840 was not able to find it. 1:07:14.960 --> 1:07:17.720 Yeah, it should be a federal law, really, but well 1:07:17.760 --> 1:07:18.560 it kind of is. 1:07:18.600 --> 1:07:21.919 The federal law exists of this banner of like that 1:07:22.080 --> 1:07:24.920 database is separate from that, but then like these local 1:07:25.000 --> 1:07:28.040 precincts just kind of because that means that like the 1:07:28.080 --> 1:07:31.840 federal stuff's for FBI and CODIS and like that stuff, 1:07:32.560 --> 1:07:34.720 and then these fuckers. But it's kind of how Benson said, 1:07:34.720 --> 1:07:36.200 They're like, we didn't have to make good law about 1:07:36.240 --> 1:07:36.920 it because this. 1:07:36.960 --> 1:07:39.240 Is so fucking we never thought anyone would fucking do it. 1:07:39.360 --> 1:07:39.560 Yeah. 1:07:39.640 --> 1:07:41.320 Yeah, you can. 1:07:41.040 --> 1:07:43.720 Actually track a bill, which it's a cute little website 1:07:43.720 --> 1:07:46.560 because I think about I'm just a bill from Schoolhouse RDE. 1:07:46.680 --> 1:07:49.080 Yeah, yeah, and so I like just like seeing. 1:07:49.160 --> 1:07:51.400 So the bill was intered in February twenty twenty two, 1:07:51.480 --> 1:07:55.360 which acted fast. You know, she committed the DNA was 1:07:55.440 --> 1:07:58.000 used to charge her in December twenty and twenty one, 1:07:58.480 --> 1:08:01.080 made it past the Senate, August past the Assembly, and 1:08:01.120 --> 1:08:03.960 September signed into law, so pretty quick. I don't know 1:08:04.000 --> 1:08:07.400 how other bills do it but just a cute little website. 1:08:07.600 --> 1:08:10.560 So just recently September twelfth, twenty twenty two, and PR 1:08:10.600 --> 1:08:13.480 reported that Jane Doe filed a lawsuit against the city, 1:08:13.640 --> 1:08:18.160 which I agree. The woman's attorney, a Dante Pointer, which 1:08:18.160 --> 1:08:21.800 sounds like a pasta, said to have PR. This is 1:08:21.840 --> 1:08:25.639 government overreach of the highest order, using the most unique 1:08:25.640 --> 1:08:28.960 and personal thing we have, our genetic code, without our knowledge, 1:08:28.960 --> 1:08:30.679 to try and connect us to crime. 1:08:31.160 --> 1:08:31.599 Agreed. 1:08:32.320 --> 1:08:35.160 What adds even more anger to this is how there's 1:08:35.200 --> 1:08:38.040 so many untested rape kits just sitting around, not used 1:08:38.080 --> 1:08:40.639 for their intended purpose, yet they found time to use. 1:08:40.520 --> 1:08:43.880 It against victims. Right, good point. 1:08:43.920 --> 1:08:45.559 So Pointer, let the New York Times know that the 1:08:45.600 --> 1:08:48.160 case against the man accused of sexually assaulting Jane Doe 1:08:48.200 --> 1:08:51.760 was ultimately dismissed. But that's hard for me since he 1:08:51.840 --> 1:08:54.280 killed her mother, so maybe he was just charged with 1:08:54.400 --> 1:08:57.000 murder but the sexual assault was dismissed or what. But 1:08:57.560 --> 1:09:00.519 it's I agree it should be able to be. But 1:09:00.560 --> 1:09:02.799 because it's a Jane Doe, we can't really find information. 1:09:02.920 --> 1:09:04.479 I don't know who this man is, I don't know 1:09:04.520 --> 1:09:05.200 who her mother is. 1:09:05.280 --> 1:09:07.639 I'm sure he went to jail for the murder and 1:09:07.640 --> 1:09:11.000 that like maybe there just wasn't evidence besides her word 1:09:11.120 --> 1:09:12.759 versus his and the sexual assault. 1:09:12.840 --> 1:09:13.280 I don't know. 1:09:13.720 --> 1:09:16.679 Yeah, and so it sounds like it was the sister 1:09:16.800 --> 1:09:17.559 too like that. 1:09:17.760 --> 1:09:18.200 I don't know. 1:09:18.760 --> 1:09:21.000 But it's also the New York Times, So I believe 1:09:21.080 --> 1:09:25.040 the papers, you know, America's paper, but I just I 1:09:25.080 --> 1:09:29.719 don't know the paper of record. That's what that's the saying. 1:09:30.120 --> 1:09:32.360 My friend Fracks, she always goes the paper because when 1:09:32.360 --> 1:09:35.600 I when I got to be in the Times, she 1:09:35.680 --> 1:09:39.000 goes the Paper of Record. Yeah, like really really cute. 1:09:39.080 --> 1:09:42.840 But I for some reason said America's paper instead. But 1:09:42.920 --> 1:09:46.439 I meant that also. Since Boudin and Quotes was testing 1:09:46.479 --> 1:09:51.160 the public's willingness to support progressive district attorneys amid headlines 1:09:51.160 --> 1:09:55.200 for rising crime and was progressive, he was put under 1:09:55.200 --> 1:09:58.120 a recall, like kar said earlier, and is no longer 1:09:58.120 --> 1:10:01.559 the DA for San Francisco. He lost to Brooke Jenkins 1:10:01.640 --> 1:10:05.280 in June of this past year twenty twenty two. Since 1:10:05.439 --> 1:10:08.160 Brooke has taken over, arrests have gone up twenty percent, 1:10:08.240 --> 1:10:11.719 even though crime rates have not changed significantly, but about 1:10:11.720 --> 1:10:13.800 one hundred more arrests a month are being brought in 1:10:14.960 --> 1:10:16.320 and yeah, and at the end of the day, no 1:10:16.360 --> 1:10:18.400 matter what laws are set up, we have cops and 1:10:18.479 --> 1:10:21.400 labs self governing themselves and doing whatever they please with 1:10:21.439 --> 1:10:22.320 the info they have. 1:10:22.560 --> 1:10:26.160 And it's kind of fucked up. And that's it. 1:10:26.280 --> 1:10:28.719 I hate that he was recalled because I really feel 1:10:28.760 --> 1:10:31.080 like he wasn't given like a chance really, like I 1:10:31.080 --> 1:10:33.080 think he was only nominated a few years ago, and 1:10:33.120 --> 1:10:35.640 like he was not given a chance to San Francisco 1:10:35.720 --> 1:10:40.200 does have a crime problem, but like, look at how 1:10:40.240 --> 1:10:42.600 more arrest is not a deterrent to crime. 1:10:42.840 --> 1:10:43.040 You know. 1:10:43.520 --> 1:10:46.160 And also they were saying, how like there's been a 1:10:46.200 --> 1:10:49.439 decrease in major vite like giant crimes, but crimes of 1:10:49.520 --> 1:10:53.760 petty petty like crimes have gone up part like car 1:10:53.840 --> 1:10:56.960 robberies and stealing. And it's like that's a societal problem 1:10:56.960 --> 1:10:58.920 because people don't have money and food, you know what 1:10:58.920 --> 1:10:59.360 I mean. 1:11:00.040 --> 1:11:02.479 Dmic like in a pandemic that like hurt a lot 1:11:02.479 --> 1:11:04.080 of people economically as well. 1:11:04.160 --> 1:11:06.800 Like instead of that, why don't we like I don't know, 1:11:06.920 --> 1:11:10.639 make eggs not you know, eight dollars, Like there are 1:11:11.160 --> 1:11:14.200 things that lead to the crimes that are happening that 1:11:14.439 --> 1:11:16.000 do not help arrest because then. 1:11:15.880 --> 1:11:17.599 You have to owe for your jail time and you 1:11:17.600 --> 1:11:18.360 have to get lawyer. 1:11:18.479 --> 1:11:22.160 Like yeah, but in terms of like giant crimes, they 1:11:22.200 --> 1:11:27.880 did go down right major co Well, I'm glad that 1:11:27.920 --> 1:11:33.040 this got sorted out because of all places, California would 1:11:33.080 --> 1:11:34.280 never let that go. 1:11:34.439 --> 1:11:35.680 But I wonder if, like in. 1:11:37.120 --> 1:11:39.799 Not to be stereotypical, but I wonder if in Red States, 1:11:39.840 --> 1:11:41.760 where they have kind of a law where they always 1:11:41.800 --> 1:11:45.759 talk about law and order and like, you know, sorry 1:11:45.800 --> 1:11:47.960 that you're a victim, but you committed a crime, like 1:11:48.000 --> 1:11:50.439 the vibe that this DA has and like that even 1:11:50.439 --> 1:11:52.080 some of the detective I mean even Careesi was like, 1:11:52.080 --> 1:11:54.320 well she did do it, you know, Like that vibe 1:11:54.400 --> 1:11:57.479 is definitely going to be around in other states, And 1:11:57.520 --> 1:11:59.200 I wonder if they're going to make these laws too. 1:11:59.360 --> 1:12:02.640 Yes, but the reason there is law and order is 1:12:02.760 --> 1:12:06.640 you have to investigate, you have you have to prove it. 1:12:07.120 --> 1:12:09.240 If someone did something, it's up to you. 1:12:09.080 --> 1:12:14.719 To like build a case, you know what I mean, Like, right, well, 1:12:15.120 --> 1:12:17.320 thank god we have an incredible guest, you know what 1:12:17.320 --> 1:12:20.960 I mean. But this is actually I mean this, this 1:12:21.080 --> 1:12:22.840 is actually one of the few cases I guess we 1:12:22.920 --> 1:12:25.519 cover that like a law was passed quickly and this 1:12:25.640 --> 1:12:26.760 is not allowed anymore. 1:12:27.000 --> 1:12:29.920 And like the government working quickly and efficiently, which is. 1:12:29.920 --> 1:12:34.920 Because if it wasn't for this bodine guy who knows, yeah, like, 1:12:35.280 --> 1:12:37.840 she could have just gone to jail and none of 1:12:37.880 --> 1:12:41.560 this would have been uncovered. So it is pretty incredible 1:12:41.680 --> 1:12:45.559 that he did that. Yeah, little or little mister Olivia Benson. 1:12:46.600 --> 1:12:50.559 Yeah, well, let's get right over to our guests because 1:12:50.840 --> 1:13:00.920 we had such a fun time talking to this person. Okay, guys, 1:13:01.000 --> 1:13:04.280 our guest today is a true renaissance woman. She has 1:13:04.280 --> 1:13:07.160 been in the Broadway musicals Saturday Night, Fever, Pretty Woman, 1:13:07.280 --> 1:13:10.240 and Legally Blonde, the last of which she was nominated 1:13:10.240 --> 1:13:13.759 for a Tony. She also frequently performs with her husband, actor, 1:13:13.880 --> 1:13:16.879 singer and former guest of the Pod Andy Carl aka 1:13:16.960 --> 1:13:17.559 Baby Dodds. 1:13:17.840 --> 1:13:19.479 We could call her missus Baby Dodds. 1:13:19.880 --> 1:13:23.559 And you know her as the nefarious detective Nadia Zabo 1:13:23.960 --> 1:13:27.400 from today's episode. Guys, please enjoy our convo with the 1:13:27.560 --> 1:13:28.879 fabulous or Fe. 1:13:29.280 --> 1:13:32.840 We rewatched your episode yesterday together in a hotel room 1:13:32.840 --> 1:13:37.840 in Orlando, and it's you're so good. It is such 1:13:37.840 --> 1:13:38.720 a good episode. 1:13:38.880 --> 1:13:39.320 Thank you. 1:13:39.760 --> 1:13:42.080 Even though we saw it a few times already. 1:13:42.080 --> 1:13:46.280 It was just truly riveting your It's you and Marishka 1:13:46.280 --> 1:13:47.800 in that office yelling at each other. 1:13:48.080 --> 1:13:50.200 It was good stuff. 1:13:50.280 --> 1:13:50.880 Chemistry. 1:13:51.080 --> 1:13:54.120 Yeah, I feel I feel like not a good SVU 1:13:54.200 --> 1:13:56.320 expert right now. But what was the role you played 1:13:56.320 --> 1:13:59.599 in your first SVU when you were in season twenty one? 1:14:00.040 --> 1:14:03.760 I felt I think that was like a cameo. Oh yeah, 1:14:03.760 --> 1:14:05.839 it was like a smaller thing. It was very small. 1:14:05.960 --> 1:14:10.000 It was top like the first scene before everything starts, 1:14:10.040 --> 1:14:15.599 and I played Tony in She Paints for Vengeance. I 1:14:15.720 --> 1:14:19.440 was the club owner at the Shady Club where Shenanigans 1:14:19.479 --> 1:14:20.080 were happening. 1:14:20.240 --> 1:14:23.599 Okay, yeah, okay, and then we get you back as 1:14:24.120 --> 1:14:25.400 I mean, I hope this character. 1:14:26.080 --> 1:14:28.280 I hope she recurs. I would love to see my 1:14:28.360 --> 1:14:29.120 face off. 1:14:29.200 --> 1:14:31.280 I don't quite know what they're waiting for, but. 1:14:31.360 --> 1:14:35.599 Yeah, another Benson and her like butting heads. 1:14:35.640 --> 1:14:36.160 We need it. 1:14:36.400 --> 1:14:39.559 I just think they should be such a lesson. 1:14:39.840 --> 1:14:41.559 Yeah, and you guys like stole the idea in the 1:14:41.640 --> 1:14:43.519 end and got all the credit, and it just yeah, 1:14:43.560 --> 1:14:46.200 I would love to get more action. But does your 1:14:46.320 --> 1:14:49.080 character think she's doing the right thing or does she 1:14:49.320 --> 1:14:50.000 know it's bad? 1:14:50.040 --> 1:14:52.200 But she doesn't care. Did you think about that? 1:14:52.600 --> 1:14:57.439 I think that people like Nadia always think they're sanctimoniously 1:14:57.520 --> 1:15:01.439 doing the right thing. That's my it. So I don't 1:15:01.439 --> 1:15:03.800 think she thinks she's doing anything wrong. And I think 1:15:03.840 --> 1:15:06.840 that as far as that big showdown scene, you could 1:15:06.880 --> 1:15:09.280 tell by what she was saying, it's like, no matter 1:15:09.320 --> 1:15:11.679 what you say about me, it's not worse than anything 1:15:11.720 --> 1:15:13.960 you did, you know what I mean? So I think 1:15:14.000 --> 1:15:17.960 she justifies her existence or her actions saying oh, really, 1:15:18.240 --> 1:15:20.759 well how about this, or then you get a twist 1:15:20.800 --> 1:15:22.840 with her where she's like, tell that to the mother 1:15:22.920 --> 1:15:24.920 of a twenty five year old who was killed during 1:15:24.920 --> 1:15:29.600 a car japp right. She just absolutely has a rationale 1:15:29.680 --> 1:15:32.680 and a justification for all the shenanigans. 1:15:32.960 --> 1:15:33.880 Yeah, you know. 1:15:34.200 --> 1:15:37.439 Yeah, So how take us back to the beginning? How 1:15:37.479 --> 1:15:39.960 this part even came about? You had done this smaller 1:15:40.000 --> 1:15:43.080 part in season twenty one. Yes, I know your husband 1:15:43.160 --> 1:15:45.559 has been a had a recurring arc in a totally 1:15:45.640 --> 1:15:48.720 different season. Yes, and you're friends with Marishka. So how 1:15:48.760 --> 1:15:50.439 do you get to the Dick Wolf universe? 1:15:50.800 --> 1:15:54.559 You know, honestly, it was because I just wouldn't stop 1:15:54.880 --> 1:15:59.120 bugging Marishka and Warren light honestly, and I hang out 1:15:59.120 --> 1:16:02.040 with war I've spent a lot of time with Warren, 1:16:02.240 --> 1:16:04.920 and I've spent a lot of time with Marishka. Very 1:16:05.000 --> 1:16:07.519 lucky that you know, Marishka is someone who's a part 1:16:07.560 --> 1:16:10.600 of our lives, and she's always like, we got to 1:16:10.640 --> 1:16:12.160 get you on, we got to get you on. So 1:16:12.280 --> 1:16:16.320 it was really her idea, and it was about doing 1:16:16.360 --> 1:16:19.400 it the right way and the right time, because I 1:16:19.479 --> 1:16:21.360 was always like when Andy was on, and I didn't 1:16:21.439 --> 1:16:23.840 know them all that well at that point in time. 1:16:24.120 --> 1:16:26.360 I knew Warren, but I didn't know Marishka as well. 1:16:27.120 --> 1:16:28.760 I was like, where can I be on? I could 1:16:28.760 --> 1:16:30.400 be like this and I can you know. I just 1:16:30.600 --> 1:16:33.840 was always like coming up with these ridiculous ideas, and 1:16:34.120 --> 1:16:38.760 you know, finally I think I think my turn came up, honestly, 1:16:39.240 --> 1:16:43.200 you know, and it was it was luck, but it 1:16:43.439 --> 1:16:46.639 was something that was in the mix for quite some time, 1:16:47.080 --> 1:16:49.840 and Marishka was very, very motivated to have me on 1:16:50.240 --> 1:16:53.320 with her. She very specifically didn't want me to just be, 1:16:53.920 --> 1:16:56.439 you know, some character that didn't get to play with 1:16:56.479 --> 1:16:59.519 her and I and when we did, she paints for 1:16:59.640 --> 1:17:04.760 Vengeance and she was the director of that episode. So 1:17:04.880 --> 1:17:06.920 when we were together, she's like, I need you back on, 1:17:07.120 --> 1:17:09.160 I need you with me, I need you in scenes 1:17:09.200 --> 1:17:11.640 with me. So this was something that was marinating for 1:17:11.720 --> 1:17:15.920 quite some time. Honestly, this was not like a random hey, 1:17:16.240 --> 1:17:19.679 let's get hurt. It was very orchestrated. It just took 1:17:19.720 --> 1:17:22.200 some time and then we got felled by the pandemic, 1:17:22.680 --> 1:17:25.599 so you know, but it was in It was in 1:17:25.720 --> 1:17:28.920 the works for quite some time. It just happened to 1:17:29.120 --> 1:17:32.639 mesh and coolate at that moment, and I couldn't be happier. 1:17:32.760 --> 1:17:36.040 Yeah, so like after that scene in the office, did 1:17:36.040 --> 1:17:37.280 you guys like high five after? 1:17:37.600 --> 1:17:41.240 Oh god, yeah, she's just Marishka. So there was a 1:17:41.280 --> 1:17:45.760 moment in the scene where we're at my desk when 1:17:45.880 --> 1:17:50.120 Ma Marishka Olivia comes to visit me, and she's like, 1:17:50.320 --> 1:17:54.320 you know, kind of being cool, and I'm like, you know, 1:17:54.720 --> 1:17:57.879 I did a slow turn. I like she said something 1:17:58.000 --> 1:18:02.000 and I just like did this. And after the scene, 1:18:02.040 --> 1:18:05.720 Marishka's like, you really scared the shit out of me 1:18:05.840 --> 1:18:07.960 with that look, because you know I was doing I 1:18:08.000 --> 1:18:10.360 was playing it a little bit more mild and kind 1:18:10.360 --> 1:18:12.920 of warm and fuzzy for lack of a better way, 1:18:13.120 --> 1:18:15.080 and she's like, what are you doing? What are you doing? 1:18:15.680 --> 1:18:18.080 Let me have it. I was like, I don't, you know, 1:18:18.439 --> 1:18:21.120 I'm new here. I can't you know. She's like, do it. 1:18:21.280 --> 1:18:23.360 You give it to me, scare me, give it to me. 1:18:23.680 --> 1:18:27.320 And Marishka basically directed my entire performance out of me, 1:18:27.600 --> 1:18:30.759 so you know, yeah, but she was like she literally 1:18:30.840 --> 1:18:33.559 I could see it too. Her eyebrow went up and 1:18:33.600 --> 1:18:39.400 she was like oh because she was yeah, she was 1:18:39.400 --> 1:18:42.040 really And I just did this very slow, which she 1:18:42.080 --> 1:18:44.360 had said, try this, and I was like, yeah, sure. 1:18:44.439 --> 1:18:47.240 She's like, yes, I'm sure. And I just did this 1:18:47.320 --> 1:18:51.720 like slow pan to her and she was like that's it. Yeah, 1:18:51.840 --> 1:18:53.320 and she was like look at me. I got chills. 1:18:53.320 --> 1:18:53.559 It was. 1:18:54.000 --> 1:18:57.080 It was. She's a really In addition to being all 1:18:57.160 --> 1:19:00.479 that Marishka Hargatea is, she's also a really phenomenal director 1:19:01.120 --> 1:19:03.639 and she knows exactly what she wants it to look 1:19:03.760 --> 1:19:06.759 like and how the scene should go and voila. 1:19:07.600 --> 1:19:10.519 Yeah, when did you decide to go by one name 1:19:10.840 --> 1:19:12.360 become a mono named performer? 1:19:12.400 --> 1:19:14.280 I've been a mono named performer since I was six 1:19:14.360 --> 1:19:18.439 years old, and I literally cannot stand that people think 1:19:18.479 --> 1:19:22.880 it's a thing that I got from someone else. I'm like, 1:19:23.040 --> 1:19:25.880 let me ask all of you, find me three more 1:19:26.000 --> 1:19:29.840 or Fays on the planet. Yeah, tell me about their 1:19:29.960 --> 1:19:34.000 last names and if they're using them. And it was, 1:19:34.600 --> 1:19:36.960 and I've said this before, but I'll say it to you. 1:19:38.280 --> 1:19:40.240 When I was in grade school and they would do 1:19:40.760 --> 1:19:44.479 roll call, they were already so put upon by the 1:19:44.520 --> 1:19:46.519 fact that they had to yell out my name during 1:19:46.600 --> 1:19:50.080 roll call that the last name went away a long 1:19:50.240 --> 1:19:50.679 time ago. 1:19:50.840 --> 1:19:51.920 I've bet so. 1:19:52.200 --> 1:19:56.200 The Orfe was always just or Fae. But when I 1:19:56.280 --> 1:19:58.960 got a record deal back in the nineties and I 1:19:59.000 --> 1:20:01.200 had to join the union, you know, you had to 1:20:01.280 --> 1:20:05.200 join after when you were a recording artist, cause Sagon 1:20:05.240 --> 1:20:07.360 After were not one at that point in time. And 1:20:07.439 --> 1:20:10.799 I had been in SAG already as just or Fe 1:20:11.720 --> 1:20:14.080 because you could pick any name. And I was like, well, 1:20:14.120 --> 1:20:18.000 mine's real. That's how it all happened. So it's actually 1:20:18.280 --> 1:20:19.439 just legally my name. 1:20:19.920 --> 1:20:22.160 So wow, it's. 1:20:21.960 --> 1:20:24.599 Not what kind of name is that my mother made 1:20:24.640 --> 1:20:28.640 it up based on Black Orpheus the opera? Oh wow, 1:20:28.680 --> 1:20:30.400 So it's no, there's no other I mean, people are 1:20:30.439 --> 1:20:33.519 always giving me my origin stories and I'm like, yes, 1:20:34.000 --> 1:20:37.040 it is that, but it's this, you know what I mean, 1:20:37.160 --> 1:20:41.080 and it's not. You know, occasionally I'll get you know, 1:20:41.200 --> 1:20:45.360 other people who are named this name spelled the same. 1:20:45.880 --> 1:20:49.640 They refuse to admit that it's after me, but it 1:20:49.800 --> 1:20:53.479 is because my mother made up the spelling. But then 1:20:53.520 --> 1:20:55.720 come to find out, there was a recording artist like 1:20:55.800 --> 1:20:59.800 a thousand years ago who put out a record with 1:21:00.120 --> 1:21:05.000 my name, like I mean, decades and decades ago, which 1:21:05.880 --> 1:21:08.759 is why there are issues with my birthday because people 1:21:08.760 --> 1:21:11.200 think I was born the year my record came out 1:21:11.680 --> 1:21:15.320 while I was in the womb. Oh, hence why I'm 1:21:15.360 --> 1:21:18.360 one hundred and seventy On certain places on the internet. 1:21:18.640 --> 1:21:21.000 Literally there is a recording artist who put out a 1:21:21.000 --> 1:21:23.719 record called Orfe spelled exactly like mine. 1:21:24.360 --> 1:21:25.879 Oh wow, And. 1:21:26.040 --> 1:21:29.080 I'm like, oh, okay, so I was born this year, 1:21:29.120 --> 1:21:33.040 which wasn't also my birthday, it's not, and I put 1:21:33.040 --> 1:21:35.839 out a record in the womb. I am prolific, beyond 1:21:37.160 --> 1:21:39.320 I'm magically prolific. 1:21:39.640 --> 1:21:43.519 So amazing. Did you grow up in an artsy theater home? 1:21:43.920 --> 1:21:49.760 Not even remotely. No, No, I will say my adults 1:21:51.320 --> 1:21:56.600 were very into phenomenal music, from R and B to 1:21:57.680 --> 1:22:00.880 you name it. There was good music my house, so 1:22:01.000 --> 1:22:05.160 the music taste was stellar and that definitely, you know, 1:22:06.000 --> 1:22:09.160 permeated to my my fibers. 1:22:09.520 --> 1:22:12.080 Yeah and you, But you grew up in New York 1:22:12.120 --> 1:22:14.600 and I read on your Wikipedia that you went to LaGuardia. 1:22:15.120 --> 1:22:15.519 I did. 1:22:16.080 --> 1:22:19.280 My dad went there too, did did he but a lot, 1:22:19.320 --> 1:22:21.280 but he's much older than you, so he went when 1:22:21.280 --> 1:22:22.960 it was actually depends on who. 1:22:22.880 --> 1:22:26.080 Put a record in the womb, so but he's about 1:22:26.080 --> 1:22:26.599 that old. 1:22:29.160 --> 1:22:30.960 But but yeah, like so you. 1:22:30.880 --> 1:22:32.479 Didn't grow up in an artsy house, but you had 1:22:32.560 --> 1:22:34.559 like an artsy upbringing, right because you were going to 1:22:34.600 --> 1:22:35.439 like art schools. 1:22:35.600 --> 1:22:39.160 Yes, yes, and I was, but I was very self motivated. 1:22:39.200 --> 1:22:41.799 I did not have a mamager. Nobody in my family 1:22:41.960 --> 1:22:46.559 was in the arts, artistic people, photographers. One of my 1:22:46.640 --> 1:22:51.439 mother's first jobs was retouching headshots with the old school 1:22:51.479 --> 1:22:53.960 way with an eraser and a lead pencil, you know 1:22:54.000 --> 1:22:57.840 what I mean. So they were very artistic visually. I, 1:22:57.960 --> 1:23:00.720 on the other hand, can't draw a stick figure. If 1:23:00.720 --> 1:23:03.800 you if you literally, if the world's fate depended on 1:23:03.920 --> 1:23:09.400 my artistic abilities, it'd be curtains armageddon. Yeah. 1:23:09.439 --> 1:23:11.920 So wait, and didn't you and Andy do a big 1:23:11.960 --> 1:23:13.160 show in so at Sony Hall. 1:23:13.240 --> 1:23:17.880 Recently we did October fourteenth. It was the best, It 1:23:17.920 --> 1:23:21.519 was the best. It's We have a concert series that 1:23:21.520 --> 1:23:24.080 we've been doing for quite some time, many years. Again, 1:23:24.400 --> 1:23:26.920 there was a little bit of a thwarting during the pandemic, 1:23:27.000 --> 1:23:30.760 but we have a series called legally Bound. You know, 1:23:31.000 --> 1:23:34.559 play on words from legally Blonde. Oh my god, we're 1:23:34.680 --> 1:23:39.400 so brilliant and we've been doing concerts everywhere all over 1:23:39.439 --> 1:23:42.240 the place. We haven't gone overseas with it yet. We're 1:23:42.240 --> 1:23:44.880 hoping that happens at some point in the near and 1:23:44.920 --> 1:23:48.439 distant future. But yeah, we've toured the show. We started 1:23:48.520 --> 1:23:51.120 at Lincoln Center and then we just went everywhere. We've 1:23:51.120 --> 1:23:55.519 done it in La Miami, San Francisco, and lots of 1:23:55.560 --> 1:23:58.080 stuff in the Tri State area and you know, the 1:23:58.520 --> 1:24:00.880 urbs and all of that. So, yeah, we have a 1:24:00.920 --> 1:24:02.759 concert series called legally Bound. 1:24:03.280 --> 1:24:04.000 That's awesome. 1:24:04.120 --> 1:24:05.920 Yeah, we talked to Andy a little bit about you 1:24:06.040 --> 1:24:09.519 guys working together, because we love to ask couples that 1:24:09.640 --> 1:24:11.559 are both in the business, like do you guys like 1:24:11.640 --> 1:24:14.559 to work on auditions together? Do you like to like 1:24:14.680 --> 1:24:16.080 be in the same things together? 1:24:16.240 --> 1:24:16.759 And stuff? 1:24:17.200 --> 1:24:20.479 We love being in the same things together because for 1:24:20.640 --> 1:24:25.960 some twisted fate thing, we have unusual chemistry for a 1:24:26.000 --> 1:24:28.880 married couple, because you know how that can go. Yeah, 1:24:28.920 --> 1:24:32.680 it's sometimes oil and water. We just happen to the 1:24:33.000 --> 1:24:35.519 fates were kind to us. So we love working together. 1:24:36.040 --> 1:24:40.240 We cannot stand auditioning each other, and that is something 1:24:40.280 --> 1:24:43.800 we have to do. Yeah, because I'm very much like, 1:24:43.920 --> 1:24:45.840 all right, let's go, let's do it. Let's I'm not 1:24:45.880 --> 1:24:47.720 even gonna look at the sides, let's just do it. 1:24:48.080 --> 1:24:52.120 And Andy will be meticulous. You know, he's a virgo, 1:24:52.320 --> 1:24:56.720 I'm a Arees. It's like we're virgos. Let's go. So 1:24:57.120 --> 1:25:00.320 but in general, auditioning can be so heart wrenched, lee 1:25:00.400 --> 1:25:03.559 wretched that neither one of us is in a good 1:25:03.600 --> 1:25:07.320 mood to do it anyway. Right, So it's just, you know, 1:25:07.439 --> 1:25:11.320 it's challenging all the time, but working together is phenomenal. 1:25:11.960 --> 1:25:17.320 I lovely Gly Blonde love the musical. How was it? 1:25:17.800 --> 1:25:20.320 You know, such a famous role? Like how did you 1:25:20.360 --> 1:25:22.080 prep for it to make it your own? And then 1:25:22.160 --> 1:25:24.800 like no, it was this like classic thing, like the 1:25:24.880 --> 1:25:25.720 process for that. 1:25:26.120 --> 1:25:28.519 You know, it's so weird because it was such a 1:25:28.560 --> 1:25:32.680 famous movie. And then the musical has had its like 1:25:33.000 --> 1:25:36.640 do so much after the fact, do you know what 1:25:36.680 --> 1:25:39.280 I mean? Like, yes, we got tony nominations, and we 1:25:39.280 --> 1:25:41.920 were very popular when we were on Broadway, But I mean, 1:25:41.960 --> 1:25:43.680 this is a show that should have run forever and 1:25:43.720 --> 1:25:46.479 ever and ever. And it's like, somebody just put a 1:25:46.520 --> 1:25:49.479 comment on the post I did today with Andy as 1:25:49.520 --> 1:25:54.400 Emmett that apparently nobody knew Andy covered Emmitt. So somebody said, 1:25:54.400 --> 1:25:56.479 you know, if this show came out when there was 1:25:56.600 --> 1:25:59.360 TikTok and when there were social media, you guys would 1:25:59.360 --> 1:26:05.400 still be run. And this poster, this comment was absolutely true. 1:26:05.120 --> 1:26:08.920 If it had come out during social media, I think 1:26:09.040 --> 1:26:13.639 I think Facebook and Twitter were just starting to exist, 1:26:14.360 --> 1:26:16.840 so there was nothing but word of mouth. There was 1:26:16.880 --> 1:26:19.200 nothing but you know, so when people were coming to 1:26:19.280 --> 1:26:22.200 the theater, they were actually motivated to come and see 1:26:22.240 --> 1:26:25.600 the show, as opposed to like it trending somewhere, you 1:26:25.640 --> 1:26:28.439 know what I mean. But it has become such an 1:26:28.600 --> 1:26:32.720 unbelievable phenomenon at this point that it's it's interesting that 1:26:32.760 --> 1:26:36.080 we're all much more popular because of it now than 1:26:36.120 --> 1:26:42.000 we were then. As far as like listen, first of all, 1:26:42.040 --> 1:26:46.759 you can't copy Jennifer Coolidge. Ye, she's literally inimitable. Okay, 1:26:47.040 --> 1:26:49.960 she's an icon, she is everything that she is. So 1:26:50.040 --> 1:26:52.200 for me to kind of go and start to talk 1:26:52.360 --> 1:26:55.200 like this and you know, kind of give that no, 1:26:55.439 --> 1:26:58.799 you know, it would have been a disaster from the top, 1:26:59.080 --> 1:27:02.479 you know what I mean. And Jerry Mitchell, our director, 1:27:03.040 --> 1:27:05.960 is he and I are very very very close friends, 1:27:06.439 --> 1:27:08.920 and he knows how I work. I know how he works. 1:27:10.080 --> 1:27:12.400 This was our first time doing a big musical together, 1:27:12.439 --> 1:27:14.920 but we knew each other and he knew Andy, and 1:27:15.000 --> 1:27:17.599 I was just like, you know, let me kind of 1:27:17.640 --> 1:27:20.120 infuse what it is that I do as a performer, 1:27:20.200 --> 1:27:23.439 who I am as a performer, and then take the 1:27:23.479 --> 1:27:29.160 best aspects of movie Paulette, slash Jennifer Coolidge Paulette and 1:27:29.320 --> 1:27:31.439 do some kind of a blend that's going to make 1:27:31.520 --> 1:27:35.479 sense to people. And you know, I had the the 1:27:35.479 --> 1:27:39.519 the additional gift of being able to sing, so no 1:27:39.560 --> 1:27:42.200 one could say, well, like, she doesn't sing like Jennifer Cooley, 1:27:42.280 --> 1:27:43.920 you know what I mean, So like I got to 1:27:44.000 --> 1:27:47.679 have that as my own thing, so no one could 1:27:47.680 --> 1:27:50.240 compare that. But if they were able to compare in 1:27:50.320 --> 1:27:53.400 any other way than kind of costumes or visual or 1:27:53.520 --> 1:27:58.160 who Paultte was to l it would not have worked out. 1:27:58.160 --> 1:27:58.400 Well. 1:27:58.439 --> 1:28:01.080 I I just was lucky enough Jerry allowed me to 1:28:01.320 --> 1:28:03.200 kind of give it my my spin. 1:28:04.000 --> 1:28:07.240 You know what was I going to ask you? Oh, 1:28:07.360 --> 1:28:08.840 are you what are you working on right now? 1:28:10.160 --> 1:28:14.120 What am I working on right now? We have you know, 1:28:14.200 --> 1:28:15.920 we optioned I don't know if Andy told you, we 1:28:15.960 --> 1:28:18.960 optioned a book called The Dancer. So we're kind of 1:28:19.000 --> 1:28:21.200 trying to fit the pieces of where it's gonna go, 1:28:21.520 --> 1:28:23.960 who's gonna be in it, and you know, things like that. 1:28:24.080 --> 1:28:26.680 Michael yuriy is our lead, you know, so we're all 1:28:26.760 --> 1:28:29.320 kind of you know, involved in that. There are a 1:28:29.320 --> 1:28:32.800 lot of concerts coming up after the new year, so 1:28:32.880 --> 1:28:35.840 we're kind of working on that and auditioning and waiting 1:28:35.920 --> 1:28:39.320 for you know, the next good gig and maybe waiting 1:28:39.360 --> 1:28:40.880 for res for you to call me back. 1:28:40.920 --> 1:28:43.720 Because Nadia they got I mean they left the door 1:28:43.760 --> 1:28:46.439 open because it's like they didn't suspend that character. She 1:28:46.520 --> 1:28:49.240 got completely walked away like she was the savior of 1:28:49.560 --> 1:28:51.720 Noah the Queen's homicide. 1:28:52.080 --> 1:28:55.560 What if you guys have to work together like major keys, Yeah, 1:28:55.600 --> 1:28:57.760 that would be fun, Like they should do that, but 1:28:57.880 --> 1:28:58.840 you have to work together. 1:28:59.000 --> 1:29:04.240 I would do it doesn't matter like I don't care. 1:29:04.479 --> 1:29:05.519 Yeah, it was. 1:29:05.600 --> 1:29:08.640 It was just about the not even just about It 1:29:08.680 --> 1:29:11.080 was the best television experience I haven't. I don't have 1:29:11.240 --> 1:29:15.559 a zillion mile resume for TV. I have had, you know, 1:29:15.720 --> 1:29:18.960 good stuff episodic wise, but that was hands down my 1:29:19.080 --> 1:29:23.519 favorite professional experience I've had in TV. Hands down. She 1:29:23.640 --> 1:29:26.519 knows it, they all know it. I make no bones 1:29:26.520 --> 1:29:30.280 about when I'm happy. It's like, you know, i'd be 1:29:30.320 --> 1:29:31.880 crazy not to me, you know what I mean? 1:29:32.640 --> 1:29:37.120 Yeah, totally classic questions is what are your favorite craft 1:29:37.200 --> 1:29:39.040 service snacks and go tos? 1:29:39.320 --> 1:29:39.679 Oh? 1:29:39.800 --> 1:29:44.080 I love candy, I'm I'm really it's it's it's a problem. 1:29:44.160 --> 1:29:47.040 So yeah, I love like gummy bears and gummy worms 1:29:47.040 --> 1:29:48.880 and starbursts and things like that. 1:29:49.880 --> 1:29:52.280 Yeah, yeah, totally, it's a thing. 1:29:52.840 --> 1:29:55.760 That's our problem. Was reading that you're a tattoo girl. 1:29:55.920 --> 1:30:00.360 You have a lot of hidden tats. They're all that's smart. Yeah. 1:30:00.000 --> 1:30:02.080 I feel I have a lot of tattoos, and I 1:30:02.080 --> 1:30:03.760 feel like any time I do get to be on 1:30:03.800 --> 1:30:06.560 a set, everyone is panicking. Well because you have to 1:30:06.560 --> 1:30:08.240 really stress this people out. 1:30:08.439 --> 1:30:10.840 But it shouldn't stress the makeup. So good. I mean 1:30:10.880 --> 1:30:13.599 I had to cover my ankle tattoos twenty some odd 1:30:13.640 --> 1:30:17.120 years ago when the makeup wasn't as good for Saturday 1:30:17.160 --> 1:30:19.719 night Fever because they're the you know, when you're wearing 1:30:19.760 --> 1:30:24.200 a dress and heels, Yeah, you can see them. And 1:30:24.439 --> 1:30:26.720 I mean Annette could have had tattoos, but they were 1:30:26.720 --> 1:30:28.800 like now yeah, so. 1:30:30.840 --> 1:30:31.120 Are you? 1:30:31.400 --> 1:30:32.320 Are you going to get more? 1:30:33.000 --> 1:30:36.000 You know, I love them so much. I just don't 1:30:36.040 --> 1:30:44.719 know where else to put them, where they're properly hidden, yeah. 1:30:42.400 --> 1:30:42.479 And. 1:30:44.240 --> 1:30:48.680 Where they'll look good in a in a red carpet situation, 1:30:49.160 --> 1:30:51.040 you know what I mean. Like, and there are certain 1:30:51.080 --> 1:30:52.680 parts of my body I don't want them on, and 1:30:52.720 --> 1:30:54.320 I've never wanted them on or else I would have 1:30:54.320 --> 1:30:57.799 done it already. So I have to figure out where 1:30:57.920 --> 1:31:00.559 the next one or what the next one will be, 1:31:00.560 --> 1:31:03.360 because they all mean something to me. They're not random, 1:31:03.760 --> 1:31:06.200 so that when I'm you know, sixty seventy eighty years old, 1:31:06.200 --> 1:31:07.880 I'm going to look and be like what was I thinking? 1:31:08.000 --> 1:31:11.720 You know, they all mean yeah, but you can switch them. 1:31:11.760 --> 1:31:14.200 You can always get you know, have them covered up 1:31:14.200 --> 1:31:14.960 and changed. 1:31:15.400 --> 1:31:16.720 Oh my gosh. 1:31:16.800 --> 1:31:19.760 So you mostly just worked with Marishka when you were 1:31:19.760 --> 1:31:21.600 at SVU, Right, you didn't really did you really have 1:31:21.680 --> 1:31:24.800 scenes with any of the other cast members. 1:31:24.960 --> 1:31:28.920 I did in the episode. One of the first two 1:31:28.920 --> 1:31:33.080 scenes that Marishka's not in were with the other guest. 1:31:33.320 --> 1:31:35.559 Oh, that's right, the other guest stars. I guess. 1:31:35.560 --> 1:31:36.840 I was just kind of like, did you have any 1:31:36.840 --> 1:31:38.599 interactions with like Iced Tea. 1:31:38.520 --> 1:31:40.360 Or like, you knowinety bay stories. 1:31:40.920 --> 1:31:44.800 I did with the first episode, the Tangled Strands of 1:31:44.960 --> 1:31:47.400 Just No Revenge. 1:31:47.840 --> 1:31:48.920 Yeah, Oh my god. 1:31:48.760 --> 1:31:51.840 I'm just I'm I've been on so many I just 1:31:51.920 --> 1:31:56.880 can't keep the string. I was only with Iced Tea 1:31:56.960 --> 1:32:03.040 and Jamie for my uh scene with the paints for Vengeance. Yeah, 1:32:03.240 --> 1:32:06.080 moment when Marishka was directing. So I was just in 1:32:06.080 --> 1:32:08.360 a room with the two of them and the one 1:32:08.400 --> 1:32:11.040 actress who came in to like be like yeah, sure, 1:32:11.080 --> 1:32:13.720 you know, she got really upset and she was like, yeah, 1:32:13.800 --> 1:32:17.599 this place is disgusting basically, So it was just us 1:32:17.640 --> 1:32:22.760 and Iced Tea is the coolest human being alive, yeah, 1:32:23.200 --> 1:32:24.760 hands down, And. 1:32:24.840 --> 1:32:27.799 We just hear so many good things about him and Mariushka. 1:32:27.800 --> 1:32:30.160 It's like no one has any shit to talk about them. 1:32:30.200 --> 1:32:32.040 Everybody just loves them so much. 1:32:32.040 --> 1:32:36.920 Because it's it's real, like, yeah, you know, Iced Tea 1:32:36.960 --> 1:32:39.320 is just I don't know if Andy's told you, but 1:32:39.720 --> 1:32:44.920 Ice is Andy's idol, Like he just adores him. And 1:32:45.479 --> 1:32:49.120 Iced Tea and Coco came to Pretty Woman and Ice 1:32:49.320 --> 1:32:52.799 was like smiling from ear to ear. I was like, dude, 1:32:52.840 --> 1:32:56.160 you're freaking smile. Look at you. He's like, yo, I 1:32:56.160 --> 1:33:00.479 had a good time. Like he's just the coolest, coolest, 1:33:00.479 --> 1:33:04.760 coolest guy on the planet. I'm nice and generous and like, 1:33:05.000 --> 1:33:07.000 you know, people go up to him. He's not all. 1:33:07.120 --> 1:33:09.600 You know, I'm a star, I'm ic t. Mrshka is 1:33:09.600 --> 1:33:14.719 the same way. She doesn't act like, you know, a huge, 1:33:15.040 --> 1:33:16.479 mega mega mega mega star. 1:33:17.360 --> 1:33:19.439 Yeah, no diva behavior. 1:33:19.800 --> 1:33:23.599 Yeah, what are the difference between outside of like tapes, 1:33:23.680 --> 1:33:27.280 but like theater auditions and like TV movie auditions. 1:33:27.560 --> 1:33:33.240 Uh, theater auditions are notoriously endless. I was just having 1:33:33.280 --> 1:33:39.320 this conversation with somebody a moment ago. I auditioned for 1:33:39.560 --> 1:33:42.160 Paultte and Legally Blonde for. 1:33:42.080 --> 1:33:46.920 Six weeks, Oh my god. For six weeks. 1:33:46.840 --> 1:33:50.040 From the first time I walked in till the day 1:33:50.080 --> 1:33:52.600 they told me I finally got the role was a 1:33:52.720 --> 1:33:57.920 six week period. TV It's quick. Yeah, audition, you get 1:33:57.920 --> 1:34:00.680 it or you don't, and they're usually like shooting the 1:34:00.720 --> 1:34:05.360 next day. So I think that's much kinder. Yeah, I 1:34:05.439 --> 1:34:05.880 really do. 1:34:06.240 --> 1:34:08.080 Wait, you waited six weeks or you had to do 1:34:08.120 --> 1:34:09.320 stuff for that I had to do. 1:34:09.560 --> 1:34:11.800 I had to go back for callback after callback for 1:34:11.880 --> 1:34:12.439 six weeks. 1:34:12.840 --> 1:34:13.840 Yeah. 1:34:13.120 --> 1:34:16.360 It was not every day for six weeks, but from 1:34:16.439 --> 1:34:19.000 the time I first went in till the time that 1:34:19.160 --> 1:34:22.799 I got the role, it was a six week process. Damn, 1:34:23.160 --> 1:34:24.120 I'm traumatized. 1:34:25.280 --> 1:34:27.320 I feel like they showed that in Smash a little bit. 1:34:27.840 --> 1:34:30.759 Oh really, Okay, Yeah it's true. 1:34:30.960 --> 1:34:33.799 You know, I actually remember now when you were entangled 1:34:33.920 --> 1:34:35.920 you you have a lot. I think that having a 1:34:35.920 --> 1:34:39.479 mono name like you, it pays off because I remember 1:34:39.520 --> 1:34:41.479 the first time I googled you was from when you 1:34:41.560 --> 1:34:44.400 were entangled Strands of Sorry, she paints for vengeance. 1:34:44.479 --> 1:34:47.120 She paints for venge because I pay for Tangled Strands 1:34:47.120 --> 1:34:47.880 of justice because I. 1:34:47.880 --> 1:34:49.960 Was like, who's or fe like, why does this person 1:34:49.960 --> 1:34:51.640 have one name? And I just was like, who is that? 1:34:51.840 --> 1:34:54.200 I googled you and found out about you being on 1:34:54.240 --> 1:34:55.759 Broadway and stuff, and you found. 1:34:55.520 --> 1:34:57.280 Out it was one hundred and ten year old site. 1:34:57.320 --> 1:34:59.360 Yeah, I was like, ooh, she's great for one hundred 1:34:59.360 --> 1:35:02.160 and ten. And then when Jimmy told me he knew you, 1:35:02.360 --> 1:35:04.800 I was like, I know who she is because I googled. 1:35:04.360 --> 1:35:06.320 Her and I just saw her on this new episode. 1:35:06.360 --> 1:35:07.000 Oh my god. 1:35:07.200 --> 1:35:11.439 So it's all like, you know that name intrigues people, well, thank. 1:35:11.320 --> 1:35:14.679 You, or revolts them. It's only one or the other. 1:35:14.800 --> 1:35:15.920 There's nothing in between. 1:35:16.360 --> 1:35:18.679 Well yeah, so is there anything you want our viewers 1:35:18.720 --> 1:35:21.720 to our listeners sorry, to like check out, Like the 1:35:21.840 --> 1:35:24.600 Legally Bound series. 1:35:24.479 --> 1:35:27.000 I think I think that there's a lot of music 1:35:27.040 --> 1:35:29.559 that we have out that they should all check out. 1:35:29.560 --> 1:35:33.240 We've got legally Bound Live at fifty four below the 1:35:33.320 --> 1:35:37.719 CD it exists. There's the Christmas single Baby Please Come Home, 1:35:37.840 --> 1:35:41.320 the old Darlene Love Classic. I mean, it's all available 1:35:41.439 --> 1:35:43.920 on Spotify. But hey, if you want to purchase like 1:35:43.960 --> 1:35:46.719 an autograph copy, you can go to pot Way Records 1:35:47.040 --> 1:35:50.640 and there's you know, the the the Archaic CD but 1:35:50.760 --> 1:35:53.320 it has our you know, autographs on them. So yeah, 1:35:53.600 --> 1:35:56.320 fifty four. You know, legally Bound Live at fifty four. 1:35:56.880 --> 1:35:59.719 All of my older music is on Spotify now, even 1:35:59.800 --> 1:36:02.120 like the out of print first CD I made when 1:36:02.120 --> 1:36:04.760 I was a kid, or in more that's available now 1:36:05.120 --> 1:36:06.120 and what do you want for Me? 1:36:07.040 --> 1:36:10.240 Uh? With the single what do you Want from Me? 1:36:10.360 --> 1:36:12.599 Yes, the or FA CD, the or f A CD 1:36:12.720 --> 1:36:16.599 I made when I was in Legally Blonde. I'm hoping 1:36:16.680 --> 1:36:20.320 some music person finds one of my older songs and 1:36:20.760 --> 1:36:24.360 makes it a big freaking hit. Now that's really the dream. 1:36:24.800 --> 1:36:26.960 That's a techno remix for TikTok. 1:36:27.360 --> 1:36:31.280 Yeah, yeah, seriously, Like you know, Kate Bush, two words, 1:36:31.360 --> 1:36:31.800 that's it. 1:36:32.120 --> 1:36:34.000 This is cool. I hope we see you in so 1:36:34.160 --> 1:36:34.879 many things. 1:36:35.520 --> 1:36:44.760 Yeah, thank you. From your Mouth to God's Ears. 1:36:41.840 --> 1:36:49.640 Oh a great episode. Yeah, such a good episode. She 1:36:49.760 --> 1:36:51.920 was so fun. Just a great episode. 1:36:51.960 --> 1:36:54.040 And the end I think it's one of those moments, 1:36:54.200 --> 1:36:58.000 not a haunting SV moment, but the line of like, 1:36:58.720 --> 1:37:01.080 if you want to get things done, it doesn't matter 1:37:01.120 --> 1:37:03.120 who takes credit for it, Like, yeah, you got to 1:37:03.120 --> 1:37:05.120 allow other people to take credit for stuff if you 1:37:05.160 --> 1:37:07.920 want to get things done. And I just think that's 1:37:08.880 --> 1:37:10.680 something important to remember. 1:37:10.439 --> 1:37:13.719 Like, and I think women have been doing that for century. 1:37:13.840 --> 1:37:18.720 Yeah, you know, like that one hits. But if you're 1:37:18.720 --> 1:37:21.000 a woman, you're like, yeah, I guess I fully have like, 1:37:21.200 --> 1:37:23.960 let my ideas like just just to make it happen. 1:37:24.080 --> 1:37:27.400 Let some man take a credit for it, you know. Yeah, yeah, 1:37:27.479 --> 1:37:30.280 you're right. I don't know. I can't think of a moment. 1:37:30.360 --> 1:37:33.479 I yeah, I think I want attention for stuff, and 1:37:33.640 --> 1:37:38.400 I'm glad to remember that that doesn't matter as long as, yeah, 1:37:38.520 --> 1:37:39.400 things get fun. 1:37:40.160 --> 1:37:45.120 But this episode, you know, while the cops are doing 1:37:45.160 --> 1:37:48.120 whatever they can to get convictions, I can't believe this 1:37:48.160 --> 1:37:48.920 happened in real life. 1:37:48.920 --> 1:37:50.120 I'm glad it got spotted. 1:37:50.200 --> 1:37:52.160 I'm glad that it's like, I can't believe that we 1:37:52.200 --> 1:37:54.360 have to like make laws against stuff that just seem 1:37:55.120 --> 1:37:57.400 so morally reprehensible, but you have to like put it 1:37:57.439 --> 1:37:59.240 in writing so that nobody tries to do it. 1:38:00.640 --> 1:38:01.760 But I'm glad it's been done. 1:38:01.800 --> 1:38:05.080 But also, of course there's no law written about it, because. 1:38:06.479 --> 1:38:07.800 Men do the law. They don't even care. 1:38:07.920 --> 1:38:10.880 I mean, yeah, marital rape what wasn't illegal until the 1:38:10.960 --> 1:38:16.080 nineties I think or eighties. So yeah, it's so, yeah, 1:38:16.120 --> 1:38:18.599 of course there's not laws to protect this. They don't 1:38:18.640 --> 1:38:20.120 even test the rape kits. 1:38:20.479 --> 1:38:23.439 Yeah, by the backlog. 1:38:23.080 --> 1:38:29.519 These motherfuckers, so they don't get how hard So Idaho, Yes, 1:38:30.760 --> 1:38:33.720 I sent you a thing about I guess one of 1:38:33.760 --> 1:38:35.000 the survivors. 1:38:35.640 --> 1:38:37.160 Just so people know what we're talking about. We're talking 1:38:37.200 --> 1:38:39.840 about this murder. This this murder that we've talked about 1:38:39.880 --> 1:38:41.960 on the podcast before that I'm were I think we're 1:38:41.960 --> 1:38:44.200 all very invested in finding out the truth about these 1:38:44.439 --> 1:38:48.120 four college students that were murdered seemingly at random. They 1:38:48.160 --> 1:38:50.720 had no suspects for a really long time. Over the 1:38:50.720 --> 1:38:53.320 winter break, a suspect emerged. I posted about him on 1:38:53.360 --> 1:38:56.320 our Instagram. He looks like fucking William Lewis. And then 1:38:56.439 --> 1:38:58.920 Lisa go on with what you were gonna say. So 1:38:59.840 --> 1:39:04.719 they arrested a god. But there's one survivor who saw 1:39:05.040 --> 1:39:07.479 this is this is all from Instagram, So I don't 1:39:07.520 --> 1:39:10.639 really know if what's true what's not. Yeah, but one 1:39:10.800 --> 1:39:15.120 survivor saw the attack or leave or come in like 1:39:15.320 --> 1:39:18.920 she knew, but then did not call the authorities for 1:39:18.960 --> 1:39:21.200 like nine more hours or something like fell asleep. 1:39:21.320 --> 1:39:23.479 Yeah, And a lot of. 1:39:23.400 --> 1:39:26.439 People in the comments are like, fuck this bitch, why 1:39:26.439 --> 1:39:27.080 didn't she do it? 1:39:27.160 --> 1:39:29.120 This is shady. She must have something to do with it. 1:39:29.520 --> 1:39:31.679 But I always think about one of our early episodes, 1:39:31.720 --> 1:39:37.240 Colleen stan and the prosecutor. They're saying stop expecting people 1:39:37.320 --> 1:39:41.160 to do normal things in abnormal situations. So I feel 1:39:41.160 --> 1:39:42.840 for this girl, like if she was just like so 1:39:43.000 --> 1:39:45.639 scared or in shock, or you know, like little kids 1:39:45.640 --> 1:39:48.000 in SVU sit in the closet and don't call for 1:39:48.080 --> 1:39:49.639 help like it happens. 1:39:50.800 --> 1:39:53.600 So I don't know, but I understand the comments. I 1:39:53.600 --> 1:39:53.960 don't know. 1:39:54.040 --> 1:39:57.760 It was just another like layer where I'm like, I 1:39:57.800 --> 1:39:59.679 hope this wasn't a hit. 1:40:00.840 --> 1:40:04.240 I hope this wasn't a little duo situation him. 1:40:05.080 --> 1:40:07.479 I mean, we've had a few people write to us 1:40:07.520 --> 1:40:10.080 that say that, like they live near where this guy 1:40:10.200 --> 1:40:12.519 lives in Pennsylvania, but it's not very he was going 1:40:12.560 --> 1:40:15.080 to school on the Washington state border or something like 1:40:15.200 --> 1:40:16.599 very close to the border of Idaho. 1:40:16.640 --> 1:40:18.920 I guess. So I don't know. 1:40:20.040 --> 1:40:24.759 I can't imagine like what you know, like what's worse 1:40:24.840 --> 1:40:26.880 to find out? I guess it doesn't matter if like 1:40:26.960 --> 1:40:28.639 this is a loved one of yours, but like if 1:40:28.640 --> 1:40:31.679 it's random, or if it was cahoots, or if like yeah, 1:40:31.760 --> 1:40:34.840 or if the stories are getting commingled. And we covered 1:40:34.840 --> 1:40:37.040 a case like this, the Tulsa massacre, where it was 1:40:37.120 --> 1:40:41.040 just like a bunch of students being murdered in one 1:40:41.080 --> 1:40:43.160 home and the same thing. The judge did the same 1:40:43.200 --> 1:40:45.960 thing for this case where it's like on lock no 1:40:46.000 --> 1:40:48.720 one can talk to the media at all. And I 1:40:48.840 --> 1:40:53.120 wonder what about these types of crimes that make that happen. 1:40:53.720 --> 1:40:56.000 Yes, I want to know that too, Like what is 1:40:56.040 --> 1:40:58.960 it where you think that the publics help. I guess 1:40:58.960 --> 1:41:03.280 they figure that since there wasn't a suspect for so long, 1:41:03.720 --> 1:41:06.120 whatever the public could offer in terms of help has 1:41:06.160 --> 1:41:09.160 been done, you know, like and now this man's identity 1:41:09.200 --> 1:41:10.600 is out there. If you know something about him, you 1:41:10.640 --> 1:41:12.760 know who to contact. Like there's really not a lot 1:41:12.800 --> 1:41:14.720 of like tips or help we can't expect from the 1:41:14.720 --> 1:41:17.240 public anymore because it happened so long ago and they 1:41:17.280 --> 1:41:19.920 only just But there were two roommates that survived. 1:41:20.479 --> 1:41:21.400 We say survived. 1:41:21.479 --> 1:41:24.200 When we say survived, I think they were just upstairs sleeping, 1:41:24.320 --> 1:41:27.680 is what I originally read. Like they just didn't get attacked. 1:41:27.720 --> 1:41:29.760 I don't know if this guy planned to get all 1:41:29.800 --> 1:41:31.720 of them. Didn't know that there were six of them, 1:41:32.120 --> 1:41:35.439 but like he killed four of them, two of them apparently, 1:41:35.479 --> 1:41:37.320 like like you were just saying, woke up in the morning, 1:41:37.320 --> 1:41:39.240 didn't call cops for a long time and we're only 1:41:39.320 --> 1:41:41.200 just finding out now that maybe that One of them 1:41:41.240 --> 1:41:44.880 says she saw the guy like leaving the morning of 1:41:44.920 --> 1:41:47.120 the attack or something, but he was in a mask 1:41:47.520 --> 1:41:49.920 that covered his nose in his mouth, but she said 1:41:49.960 --> 1:41:52.120 she described his bushy eyebrows or something, so like, I 1:41:52.160 --> 1:41:53.479 don't know if maybe she could I d him. 1:41:53.479 --> 1:41:53.880 I don't know. 1:41:54.960 --> 1:41:58.559 And she said she heard crying and a male voice 1:41:58.600 --> 1:42:01.479 say it's okay, I'm going to help. It's like, so, 1:42:01.760 --> 1:42:04.320 I don't know. This case is so fucking weird. But 1:42:04.400 --> 1:42:08.160 what's the weirdest is that he studies criminology and criminal justice. Yeah, 1:42:08.200 --> 1:42:12.360 but what do I say, Yeah, sociology is good, criminal 1:42:12.479 --> 1:42:13.799 justices those are. 1:42:13.640 --> 1:42:14.480 The badt. 1:42:16.000 --> 1:42:17.960 It is what it is. I don't make up the rules. 1:42:18.040 --> 1:42:19.519 No, I didn't. I totally made that up. 1:42:19.560 --> 1:42:21.880 But I think we got to be like fingerprinting these 1:42:21.880 --> 1:42:22.799 criminology students. 1:42:22.800 --> 1:42:26.240 I just feel like sociology people become like public defenders, 1:42:26.439 --> 1:42:30.120 and then criminal justice people become parole officers. Like that's 1:42:30.320 --> 1:42:34.040 my breakdown of what I believe. No, but this is 1:42:34.080 --> 1:42:36.599 just an amazing episode. I think it's I love their 1:42:36.640 --> 1:42:38.960 fighting in the office, I love the passion, I love 1:42:39.439 --> 1:42:41.519 the wild story but grounded. 1:42:41.560 --> 1:42:43.800 I don't know. I love it. I love it. Yeah, 1:42:43.840 --> 1:42:45.760 I would like to see or Face character back. 1:42:45.800 --> 1:42:47.760 I would love to see Naughtia Zabo back because her 1:42:47.800 --> 1:42:50.080 and Benson, I think because they know each other personally, 1:42:50.240 --> 1:42:52.400 like her and Marishka, like they just had a really 1:42:52.400 --> 1:42:54.920 good bitch chemistry and I like that. 1:42:55.040 --> 1:42:57.719 I also want to see Andy Carl and Orfe together 1:42:57.960 --> 1:43:00.719 like we saw them separate. We know that they're together, 1:43:00.760 --> 1:43:02.960 but I want to like go dancing with them or something. 1:43:04.520 --> 1:43:04.800 Didn't. 1:43:04.840 --> 1:43:06.720 I want to see what's up because I wonder if 1:43:06.720 --> 1:43:09.240 she talks a lot and he's chill, or if they're 1:43:09.280 --> 1:43:11.680 like both chatty kathy, like, I just want to know 1:43:11.720 --> 1:43:12.439 their dynamic. 1:43:12.520 --> 1:43:16.639 I love that. I'm always curious about that too, for sure. 1:43:17.760 --> 1:43:20.160 But okay, let you know another thing I'd like to 1:43:20.160 --> 1:43:24.479 say about Orphe is, you know these singers, they can't party, 1:43:24.560 --> 1:43:28.240 they can't treat, They twenty the instruments. 1:43:28.439 --> 1:43:30.160 Yeah, you know, like you cannot. 1:43:30.320 --> 1:43:33.439 Maybe hopefully she's eating some edibles at night, but it 1:43:33.640 --> 1:43:39.479 is tough. Yeah, yeah, it couldn't be me. I just uh, 1:43:39.600 --> 1:43:41.719 you know, well that's what Bridget ever it said. Bridget 1:43:41.720 --> 1:43:44.519 Everett was like a classically trained singer, and then when 1:43:44.600 --> 1:43:46.880 she've realized the lifestyle, she was just like. 1:43:47.160 --> 1:43:49.080 No, no, I'm not doing I'm. 1:43:49.000 --> 1:43:51.120 Gonna do Joe's pop where I get wasted and sing 1:43:51.120 --> 1:43:52.840 at the same Yeah, cabaret. 1:43:52.360 --> 1:43:55.160 I'm gonna do cabaret. Like, yeah, there's a comic who 1:43:55.160 --> 1:43:57.280 I really don't like. But she has said this too, 1:43:57.360 --> 1:43:59.919 where she's like, I was gonna be like an actole. 1:44:00.640 --> 1:44:04.160 And then when she started going on auditions, she was like, ugh, 1:44:04.600 --> 1:44:08.320 like these people are so like doing like you know, 1:44:08.479 --> 1:44:11.080 like yeah, She's like and she walked out. She's like, 1:44:11.120 --> 1:44:14.040 I don't want to do this. And that's girl. Gargoyle guy, 1:44:14.120 --> 1:44:15.360 gargoyle girl, garth? 1:44:15.439 --> 1:44:16.360 Did you ever do that one? 1:44:16.439 --> 1:44:16.519 Now? 1:44:16.920 --> 1:44:17.559 But I like that. 1:44:19.000 --> 1:44:20.400 I think if I have a home, I would buy 1:44:20.439 --> 1:44:21.960 some gargoyles. I think it's funny. 1:44:22.000 --> 1:44:22.400 I like it. 1:44:22.320 --> 1:44:25.320 It reminds you of beating the beast. Oh yeah, well 1:44:25.360 --> 1:44:28.400 if they come alive, that's for sure. I'm a girl. 1:44:29.720 --> 1:44:31.640 What can I say? I'm a gar girl, I'm a 1:44:31.720 --> 1:44:37.120 gargoyle girl. It's hard to say. Okay, let's move on. 1:44:37.360 --> 1:44:39.240 Let's get into our what would Sister peg do for 1:44:39.280 --> 1:44:41.360 this episode? 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