1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: This is a Ryan Kirkery lug them in The Philly Show. 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 2: Ryan Kirkering joins the show today, Ruby Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todds, 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 2: the Lucky. 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 3: It is the Philly Show. 5 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 2: Beautiful day in clear Oata and we have a lot 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 2: of We had a lot of fun today talking with 7 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 2: Ryan Kirkering. 8 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 4: No doubt we were geeking out a little bit on 9 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 4: some of his h pitch grips. He's spent the winter 10 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 4: and spring training here learning a new pitch which he'll 11 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 4: he'll tell us about. And uh, you know, he also 12 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,279 Speaker 4: talked about the difficult way last season ended, and uh, 13 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 4: I think this is a really mature guy who's going 14 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 4: to bounce back nicely. 15 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a guy that a lot I mean not 16 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 3: a lot of people. 17 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,279 Speaker 2: Everybody in camp is really rooting hard for, always has 18 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: been rooting hard for, and I think you will see why. 19 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 2: So here we go our chat with Oryan Kirkering. Ryan, 20 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 2: thanks for coming on the show. 21 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 3: We appreciate it. 22 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 2: We're here Clearwater Wednesday, and you just watched Zach Wheeler 23 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 2: throw a bullpen and it's kind of fun. You've seen 24 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 2: a lot of you guys down there watching our bullpen 25 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 2: a live VP. Yeah, what do you think Zach as 26 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 2: he comes back? 27 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 5: Zach just being Zach. I think just seeing his stuff 28 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 5: come back. You can see the excitement out there. Like 29 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 5: I said last time I was talking together. So I 30 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 5: think it's just always cool to see and just a 31 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 5: great calibard pitcher as much as he is, especially in 32 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 5: the last few years, or what he's done for this game. 33 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 5: I think it's just awesome to get every little ounce 34 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 5: it can. 35 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 4: I always find it interesting how these guys when when 36 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 4: somebody like Zach Wheeler or anybody really throws a bullpen, 37 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 4: everybody comes out and watches, and I think, there's you're 38 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 4: supporting your teammate, but isn't the fan in you coming 39 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 4: out as well? 40 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: For sure? 41 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think just seeing just what he like I said, 42 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 5: what he brings to the table every single day he 43 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 5: brings on the mount, especially the many times he pitches, 44 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 5: I mean through the regular season, postseason, it's always great 45 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 5: to see what he does. 46 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 4: How about anything you've learned from a guy like that 47 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 4: having him as a teammate. 48 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 5: I think just his composure every time he goes out 49 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 5: there like it's nothing new, just want to win a ball, 50 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 5: game every single time. It doesn't matter if it's I 51 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 5: I said, regular season, early April, middle dog days of August, 52 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 5: where it can be hot some places, cold some places, 53 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 5: or it's October red October. 54 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: So I think it's always cool to see that. 55 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 2: And you've had an interesting spring. Of course you're kind 56 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 2: of coming back from this hamstring strain. 57 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, unfortunately. 58 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean you threw. 59 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 2: Your pitching a game at the Carpenter Complex on Tuesday, 60 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 2: So can you tell everybody how you're doing and how 61 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 2: you think you're progressing, and do you have a chance 62 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 2: do you think to be on the opening day roster. 63 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 5: I think it's still up in the air right now 64 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 5: for opening Day. And I think obviously, as you guys know, 65 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 5: it's just as a relievery never know when you're gonna throw, 66 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 5: whether it's back to back, three or four pitch day, 67 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 5: off pitch, off pitch, you just. 68 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: Never know how the game's going to go. 69 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 5: So I think workld wise, I think trying to figure 70 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 5: out here soon next week or so before it break 71 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 5: and then, but it felt really good out there and 72 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 5: felt really good composure wise, stuff wise, I'm just ready 73 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 5: for we've got going on. 74 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 4: Next and new season brings a new pitch, absolutely, Yeah, 75 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 4: and I. 76 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: Brought a baseball, so and then that's the camera, so 77 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 2: if you can show so you're throwing a splitter. 78 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So it's kind of a mix of everything. 79 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 5: So it's kind of I have a hard time pronating sometimes, 80 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 5: but some guys, I'm a good superner. 81 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: That's why I think I thoroughly go with the sweeper 82 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: all the time. 83 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 5: Just I'm so used to the supernation of it, so 84 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 5: I can never like pronate and be able to have 85 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 5: the how Sanchy and like other guys in the league 86 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 5: have such great change ups because they have the great 87 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 5: supernation of it. So for me, what we've done is 88 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 5: try to kick it a little bit. So try to 89 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 5: like spike the index of it and try to put 90 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 5: my inside middle finger on this. 91 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: Scene like the horseshoot here. 92 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 5: That way it kicks down and it has the split 93 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 5: action with it, so I can just throw it like 94 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 5: a fastball and just keep the same velo or at 95 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 5: least try to keep the same arm action and through behind. 96 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 4: It is that the kick change we hear so much 97 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 4: about it. 98 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly this, so it just gives leeway for it. 99 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 5: So like how it's released with some guys, it just 100 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 5: comes out this way. So the last thing that touches 101 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 5: is the middle finger. Maybe some pitches ring finger, depending 102 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 5: on each guy. But how it comes out, it will 103 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 5: kick over this way. And that's why I have like 104 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 5: the dirty access or the dirty spin to where it 105 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 5: spins and the air resistance behind it will go armside. 106 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 4: Amazing the technology that's going into pitch shaping and then crazy, 107 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 4: it's amazing. 108 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: Just here here, here call the day. Now, let's let's 109 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: do this, let's do that. 110 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 5: Let's try to help you that we can throw those 111 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 5: pitches that way if you're not Like back in the day, 112 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 5: it was just oh, you're just not that guys, you're 113 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 5: not gonna throw it. 114 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: Now it's all right. 115 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 5: We can kind of not force you to throw it, 116 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 5: but we can like help you with how you throw 117 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 5: as a just a different pitcher. 118 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 3: You are so so okay. 119 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 2: So the season ends and you're reflecting ey your season 120 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 2: and you're reflecting, You're you're looking ahead at twenty twenty 121 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 2: six and you're going, all right, how can I get better? 122 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 2: Who first approaches you or who like who had the 123 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 2: idea of the splitter? Like I think that's kind of 124 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 2: interesting how this whole thing develops. Is it like a 125 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 2: text from Caleb mark Lower, the assistant pitching coach, like 126 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 2: a couple weeks after the season, is it you going 127 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: to them? 128 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 3: What's how does that? What's the What was the beginning 129 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 3: of that process? 130 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: I think it was just at first, kind of joking around. 131 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 5: I think probably even like twenty four, just joking around 132 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 5: of like let me throw a cutter, let me throw 133 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 5: a curveball, just to mess with them and just like 134 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 5: almost like poke a bear at them. But then like 135 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 5: last year, kind of talking with it more, going through 136 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 5: like the slumps and the ups and downs and kind 137 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 5: of seeing like what guys are looking at since last 138 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 5: year they had a full year of video on me. 139 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 5: So now it's okay, now it's going to two full 140 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 5: years of video on me, more experience. I know what 141 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 5: pitch obviously, sweeper is to go to. So now it's like, 142 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 5: what can help lay off the sweeper? I can just 143 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 5: throw that more So we kind of collectively decided like, hey, 144 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 5: let's try to lean on splitter and see where it 145 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 5: goes versus a power cutter. Maybe that which wouldn't make 146 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 5: too much sense because it's just more left or right right. 147 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 5: So we're trying to find something that evens out a 148 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 5: little bit, and we thought split was probably the best 149 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 5: decision for it because it helps with the two seam, 150 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 5: and it helps like differentirate the two and then keep 151 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 5: off the sweeper. 152 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 4: So basically you got one the sweeper going that way, yeah, 153 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 4: and the two are going that way yep. And when 154 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 4: this becomes in your arsenal, it'll go down. 155 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: More straight down yeah, and then the four will just 156 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: keep riding up top rail. 157 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 4: And get the ball moving all those directions. 158 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 2: Would want to be a hitter, I mean, yeah, yeah, 159 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 2: That's why I love those videos where they shows like 160 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:42,239 Speaker 2: the balls and spread apart. 161 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 5: That's what you're trying to, Yeah, just move it like 162 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 5: throw it over like I'm trying to throw it fastball 163 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 5: down the middle and sweeper off of it. Two seam 164 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 5: middle in and then sweeper or splitter down and into 165 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 5: a writing right. And so that those conversations started after 166 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 5: the season. I know you said you were kind of joking, Okay, 167 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 5: So that starts after the season, and and then you 168 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 5: have to find a grip that will work for you. 169 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 5: When I talked to you a couple of weeks ago, 170 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 5: you said, uh, he said, basically, I went on YouTube 171 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 5: and I found, Yeah, Logan Gilbert's like, Logan Gilbert's got. 172 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 2: Maybe one of the best splitters in all Major League Baseball, 173 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 2: So yeah, he has a video on YouTube. Does someone say, 174 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 2: like go watch this or have you done this enough 175 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 2: where you're like, let me look up Logan Gilbert splitter 176 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: and see if there's a video out there of it. 177 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 3: A little bit both. 178 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: So Lowie sent me a couple pitch grips. 179 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 5: Kale sent me a couple of pitch grips to kind 180 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 5: of try and see, and then I was like, hell, 181 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 5: you guys just said, like what pitching ninja. I'm just 182 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 5: going there and see who's got it pitching ninja splitters. 183 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 5: He was the first video, so just kind of looking 184 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 5: through again, just picking his brain through like the video 185 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 5: of it. So okay, I think what's cool is like, 186 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 5: as much as a fan of what you can see 187 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 5: and like at the insights of big league guys, it's 188 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 5: still like it helps us because that's when we go 189 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 5: on daily day basis of like picking each other's brains 190 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 5: and like try to open that world of it. 191 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:01,239 Speaker 2: So what about that So is that basically your grip 192 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 2: for the split? Is that basically how he throws his? 193 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 2: I wish no, okay, okay, so it's yeah. 194 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: It's different. 195 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 5: His is more like almost across the seam, So it's 196 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 5: like he's almost going like fully complete just because he's 197 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 5: that good and got big enough fingers. So for me, 198 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 5: because I'm more sweeper, I don't think I can really 199 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 5: hold that consistently and like be comfortable with that grip. 200 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 5: So I think for me, it was just trying to 201 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 5: find what was comfortable enough to like I can get 202 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 5: my tempo and not get out of my tempo and just. 203 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: Be ready underneath. Yeah. Yeah, so it's. 204 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 5: About like right here underneath comes like a four scene 205 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 5: and you're just tucking it and just letting it ride 206 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 5: out of the hands and just hopefully get that dirty 207 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 5: spin top spin and drop down to its amazing. 208 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 4: All these pictures will show their grips on videos and 209 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 4: you feel like they're giving away secrets. But I guess 210 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 4: you guys all learn from each other exactly. 211 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 5: I mean sometimes I know some guys will do it 212 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 5: different pitchcript to mess with people and see what they say. 213 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 5: Like I've heard different stories it's like, oh, this is 214 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 5: how I hold. 215 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: My my curveball like this. 216 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 5: But then I've seen guys where it's like, no, this 217 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 5: is actually how I hold it, and then they throw 218 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 5: it this way, and so it's like it's funny. You 219 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 5: just never know what type of guy you see with it, 220 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 5: so it's just different. You never know who you're gonna get. 221 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 5: So sometimes it's like it's a jokester, sometimes not, or 222 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 5: sometimes it is just how they throw it. And then 223 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 5: it's just because I think everyone knows, like with Gilbert, 224 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 5: he's got the gross splitter, so it's like even though 225 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 5: it's coming you can see out of the hand, it's 226 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 5: like it's still hard to hit base a split finger 227 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 5: fastball right right. 228 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 2: And so then do you start, like you start playing 229 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 2: catch with it, you know in the off season, just yeah, 230 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 2: just and then do you get you get immediate feedback, 231 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 2: I suppose right for sure? 232 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, and catch away partners see where it goes. 233 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 5: Some days are better, some days are different. What kind 234 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 5: of tweak because you know how it is. There's some 235 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 5: days that the slider's going really good and there's other 236 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 5: days it's like just going terrible. So you just don't 237 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 5: want like, oh, today's just not a good day, that splitter. 238 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 5: Let me change every single thing. You're just kind of like, 239 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 5: let me take baby steps of like is this consistent? 240 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 5: Is this getting better? Just getting worse? And try to 241 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 5: tweak it from there. 242 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 4: At what point in your catchplay do you say to yourself, 243 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 4: I think I got it. 244 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: It can happen quick for some guys. 245 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 5: I think so, yeah, it's like that's how it was, 246 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,599 Speaker 5: like me and my sweeper, like in high school learning it. 247 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 5: But I think now, like I think the sinker, I 248 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 5: started to throw it in twenty three coming up, and 249 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 5: then it took me almost like all twenty four to 250 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 5: really get fine tune in a little bit, and then 251 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 5: twenty five I felt like I was able to dot 252 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 5: it up pretty good. Mostly get a lot of ground balls, 253 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 5: get a lot of backdoors varieties for a hip, a 254 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 5: couple lefties. But I think just overall, it takes sometimes 255 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 5: the guys sometimes just that specific pitch to actually feel 256 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 5: comfortable and be able to throw wherever and whenever. 257 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 4: A slider sweeper, they're like cousins. 258 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: Right basically, I think they're the same thing. 259 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 5: Though you do yeah because sayang, because now I'm just 260 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 5: kind of like I always called it a slider. Now 261 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 5: with the new game of like, oh no, that was 262 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 5: a slider, this is a sweeper. I'm just kind of 263 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 5: like it's a ball that goes right to left, that's all. 264 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 4: What's the grip in the armstroke like on a sweeper. 265 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:20,719 Speaker 5: So like for me, I know some guys are like 266 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 5: more high on the horseshoe like up here, but mine's 267 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 5: more like almost like a traditional curveball. And then how 268 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 5: I supinated. It's like I think of like a sideways 269 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,719 Speaker 5: like curveball. So how it comes out, It comes out 270 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 5: like this that pops out, and like watching video, it 271 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 5: will gyro spin, but then it'll catch about maybe like 272 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 5: fifty feet like right before home plate, and then I'll 273 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:45,599 Speaker 5: get dirty spin. So that's why it takes off so 274 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 5: much like so late. So that's why I like talking 275 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 5: with the hitters. It's like, no, that was a late sweeper, 276 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 5: like that was a late slider, because some guys will 277 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 5: have like more of the gyro spin and then it'll 278 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 5: tilt a little bit last second and that's how it 279 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 5: gets more the air resistance and it'll cut cross. 280 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 4: Now with the with the the kick splitter, uh, huh 281 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 4: Are you looking for differential off your fastball? Are you 282 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 4: more looking for movement. 283 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 5: Movement, move profile just because it'll help if it's the 284 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 5: same velo. I think the other day I think it 285 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 5: was like eighty six eighty eight, so about the same 286 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 5: speed as sweeper, same general profile, at least closer than 287 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 5: the two scene and stuff like that. So I think 288 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 5: seeing a slower speed for lefty going away from you 289 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 5: and then versus a sweeper coming at you, so I 290 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 5: think it opens door a little bit between a backfoot 291 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 5: sweeper or down the way split and just seeing the 292 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 5: difference of like, oh I can cheat to that, it's like, 293 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 5: oh no, that's going away from. 294 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 3: It, okay. 295 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 2: And then one other cool thing I think about learning 296 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 2: a new pitch, which you had mentioned a couple of 297 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 2: weeks ago, which I guess I didn't really consider, is 298 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 2: that not only do you have to find the grip 299 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 2: get comfortable with it, but then you also have to 300 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 2: figure out how you grip the ball or when you 301 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 2: grip it when you gloves so you're not like flaring 302 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 2: your glove out when your splitter, So like, what's that 303 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 2: is that? Is that a difficult process too to figure out? 304 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 2: How you do it, because these guys are so good 305 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 2: at picking tipping pitches. His Zeus got crushed two starts 306 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 2: last summer exactly tipping. So what's how do you kind 307 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 2: of figure out how to grip it when to grip 308 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 2: it so it looks like you're all your other three pitches. 309 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 5: Uh catch play a lot just during bullpens, try to 310 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 5: figure out what's comfortable what's not. Like I think I 311 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 5: think Gilbert does it, but I know like a lot 312 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 5: of other guys do it. They'll like pre grip splitter. 313 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 5: So it's like me talking with Lowe, talking with Klo, 314 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 5: I'm talking with Caesar about like what they think which 315 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 5: which I do, And they're like, just do whatever you 316 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 5: think is comfortable, Like whatever you think you could do 317 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 5: consistent and comfortable and not like it's caesarier said than 318 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 5: done than tip. But just are natural as humans, we 319 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 5: pattern a lot. 320 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: So I think it's just. 321 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 5: Not getting that routine of the pattern of it and 322 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 5: just seeing what I can do consistently without tipping. 323 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 4: Was this all good for you this winter, having a project, 324 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 4: having something to focus on after the tough way things 325 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 4: ended last year? 326 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: For sure? 327 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think just it's a working progress every single day. 328 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 5: So I think having something to do, having something to 329 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,719 Speaker 5: learn a little bit more, finding something cool to do. 330 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 3: I think that's what helped a lot for sure. 331 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 4: What was the key kind of and bouncing back from that. 332 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 5: I think just talking about it, I think more than 333 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 5: anything versus kind of I won't say running away from it, 334 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 5: but just like telling people how you feel about it. 335 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 5: It was like, yeah, it sucks, but you gotta just 336 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 5: keep moving on because it's not baseball is it's mess 337 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 5: up in the first out, there's still twenty six, twenty 338 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 5: seven ounce left of the game, So it's just you 339 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 5: keep moving. 340 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 3: That's how it is. 341 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 4: You're amazingly accountable, amazingly mature, in my opinion. Where does 342 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 4: that come from. 343 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 5: I think just seeing the older guys and the veteran 344 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 5: guys on the team and just being accountable and obviously 345 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 5: just being a fan of sports. You kind of see 346 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 5: where it's like, oh that guy didn't look good, like 347 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 5: not talking to the media whether he wanted to or no, 348 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 5: or whether he liked it or not, or what happens, 349 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 5: and let the emotions get to it. 350 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: But I think just. 351 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 5: Even though it's it was a shitty moment, kind of thing. 352 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 5: It was just as long as you're accountable and you 353 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 5: just kind of talk about it and just let it 354 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 5: be and just say, hey, fucked up, then that's what happens. 355 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 5: And I think also just seeing how like Balm did 356 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 5: it too, I guess specifically where it's like I want 357 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 5: to say, it's a similar situation but kind of in 358 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 5: the same way where it's like, you know, you messed up, 359 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 5: but if you just stay accountable, especially in Philly, and 360 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 5: I think that's all they cared about. 361 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 4: I think the fans appreciated. I think you're gonna get 362 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 4: a standing ovation on an opening day. 363 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 5: I really do. 364 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 2: I do. 365 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 3: I do. 366 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 4: I think people and you're a human, the people in 367 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 4: the seats are human and you have that connection. 368 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. 369 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 5: I think it just shows the little vulnerability and shows like, 370 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 5: hey messed up, like I said, and just I'm here 371 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 5: to keep moving on forward. 372 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 3: I mean, you had like Bradley to reach out to you. 373 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 2: If any of those guys be talking to those guys 374 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 2: since their first conversations or. 375 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 3: You know, you did have a lot of people reach 376 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 3: out to us for sure. That was pretty cool. 377 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, not a whole lot recently, just kind of letting 378 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 5: season go, but I'm sure he's soon reach out a 379 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 5: little bit and see how everything's going with it. 380 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then I think a lot of people are 381 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 3: excited about this bullpen. 382 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 2: You start this you start this season this year with Doran, 383 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 2: you sign Brad Keller, you got Alvarado back, You're in 384 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 2: there bowling banks. I mean, Kyle Bachiss has looked really good. 385 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 2: I don't know who else is gonna be in the bullpen, 386 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 2: But what has you kind of excited about this group? 387 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 5: I think it's just a good group of guys overall, 388 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 5: on and off the field. I think just it's a 389 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 5: fun bullpen, especially with Ali being back. I think just 390 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 5: having the laughter in there. Duran's out there with the 391 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 5: laughter of it, Tanner always just talking his ears off 392 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 5: with everything and how he is, and then just kind 393 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 5: of I think everyone just being a kid out there almost. 394 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 5: I think that's what makes it fun and just kind 395 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 5: of putting each other's like foot out there for each 396 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 5: other and just kind of be on each other's back 397 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 5: and just always be there. 398 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 4: How much did the feel of the bullpen changed last 399 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 4: year when you when you got Duran. 400 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 5: I think it changed a lot in the good ways, 401 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 5: just because I think we're able to settle in a 402 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 5: little bit more. 403 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: I would say no one was panicking. 404 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 5: Over like what we were doing or what roles were, 405 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 5: just because roles were kind of I wanna say, up 406 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 5: in the air, but it was we had a closure 407 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 5: by committeees, so we weren't sure what was going to 408 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 5: go on. 409 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 1: So now I think it's sentencedone. 410 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 5: Obviously Duran's got the ninth unless obviously postseason is always different, 411 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 5: so you never know. But I think overall, it's just 412 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 5: you know that there's a group of guys that if 413 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 5: the starter gets hurt on the first pitch of the game, 414 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 5: and all we gotta do is go through one through 415 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 5: eight and just keep it close and then let Durant 416 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 5: get the ninth, or if whatever baseball happens and we 417 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 5: go to the extras for whatever reason, we got each 418 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 5: other's back to keep. 419 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 2: So it's funny you mentioned we know Alvarado is just 420 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 2: loud and gregarious and laughs lot. 421 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 3: He's very funny. Uh here, he was joking around the 422 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 3: other day in the clubhouse. 423 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 2: I had to walk out because I was laughing so hard. 424 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 2: Banks very chatty, great guy. But you said Doron is 425 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 2: actually pretty funny. Yeah, we have not probably seen too 426 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 2: much of that. He was joking the other day about 427 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 2: his secret pitch he's throwing a split change. Yeah, he 428 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 2: was kind of laughing about it. I don't want to 429 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 2: tell you what it is, and you kind of acknowledge it. 430 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 2: But he's describe his personality because that was kind of 431 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 2: I had not really seen him joking around so far, 432 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 2: but he does do. 433 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: That a little bit. 434 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, he's quiet about it, but he's always good. He's 435 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 5: always got a quick laughter here and there. It's never 436 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 5: I wouldn't say, like I said, it's never gonna be 437 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 5: like ALVII, but it's always just a quick, subtle like, 438 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 5: oh that was good. 439 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: That was a good joke. And like we always try 440 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: to joke around as much as we can. 441 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 5: I think the more we joke around with each other, 442 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 5: I think the more comfortable we get, and the more 443 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 5: comfortable and putting each other behind each other thing helps 444 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 5: and try to build the comb already between each other 445 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 5: and push each other have that tough love moments, and 446 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 5: when you have that tough love moment or have. 447 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: The nurturing moment. 448 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 5: When you have the nurturing moment, the learning all on 449 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 5: and off the fields of you know, me and Tanner 450 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 5: always talk all the time about mechanics of what he 451 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 5: can do better, what I can do better, and just 452 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 5: kind of pick each other's brain. 453 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: So I think it just builds that back and forth, 454 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: like the brotherhood behind it. 455 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 4: Did what did you? 456 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 5: Did you? 457 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 4: What did you think the first time he saw the 458 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 4: light show Durand's Light Show? 459 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 5: Did you? 460 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 4: Could you actually see it or were you talk too 461 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 4: far away? 462 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: In the bull play, No, we could see it. We 463 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: can see it. Pretty cool. It was awesome. 464 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 5: Saw some pregame of it when they were trying to 465 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 5: test it out and stuff like that. So we're able 466 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 5: to see like the spider walking right field. So obviously 467 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,719 Speaker 5: we couldn't see that unless we poked our heads all 468 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 5: the way out there. But it was cool to see 469 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 5: with all the fans interacting and then seeing the big 470 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 5: scoreboard and left field and just how everyone just interacted 471 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 5: him going out there. 472 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 1: It was pretty cool. 473 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 3: I guess in that moment you kind of become a 474 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 3: fan a little bit. I would think, right hundred percent, yeah. 475 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 5: Because you just know, like in joking, when it's like 476 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,360 Speaker 5: eighth inning happens and we got like a three run lead, especially, 477 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 5: it's like you almost want to take your cleats off 478 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 5: at that point, right, it's like, oh, this game's don 479 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 5: over with Durant's gonna come in and close the door 480 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 5: and nine pitches, three strikeouts and y's it. 481 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 3: Well, I also know fans. 482 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 2: I mean seriously, though, fans, if the Phillies are up 483 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 2: three runs are less going into the ninth inning or 484 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 2: in the eighth inning, they legitimately don't want you guys 485 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 2: to score another run if they stayed that late in 486 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 2: the game, because they get they're like. 487 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 3: Oh no, now he might not come in and pat yea, 488 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. 489 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 5: It almost gets us Like I say that in my head, 490 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 5: it's like, are gonna get a boo die if we 491 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 5: go out there if it's like a. 492 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: Five run and it's like, hey, you've been thrown a 493 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: couple of days, Like go through out there. 494 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm gonna get a bude because I'm not 495 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 5: Duran coming out with the light show. 496 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: But no, it's always cool. 497 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 4: We talk about fans. Who was your favorite player as 498 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 4: a kid. 499 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 5: When you were young fans, Oh, there's a lot it 500 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 5: was raised fan growing up as kids. So I always 501 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 5: grew up like ben Zobris ev Longoria. That's why it's 502 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,719 Speaker 5: fun to see, like when Ceas is here, you can 503 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 5: go through his glory days of stuff, and like through 504 00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 5: the first couple of years, there'd be a few days 505 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 5: where we're just whole ship with each other. I mean like, 506 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 5: oh remember this guy, Remember that guy, and like see 507 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 5: how his personality. 508 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: Was through the team and stuff like that. So it 509 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: was always cool to see. 510 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 4: Did you remember do you remember the World Series against 511 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 4: Tampa Bay? 512 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 5: Oh? 513 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was cool. I liked it. 514 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,479 Speaker 5: Went to the trying to think it was game one 515 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 5: or Game two when they're in Tampa. Yeah, So it 516 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 5: was pretty cool to see that way and just kind 517 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 5: of full circle of things. 518 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 3: That's awesome. 519 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 4: How many games and years you go to over there 520 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 4: as a kid. 521 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: Like five. 522 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 5: So it wasn't like season ticket or anything, but it's 523 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 5: like if it was cool enough to go, oh, they're 524 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 5: playing Yankees, let's go watch the Yankees, because that's when 525 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 5: they had a ra Jeter Pasada canoe and they were 526 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 5: like when it was Boston, it was like big Poppy 527 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 5: Pad trying to think, gosh, Johnny Damon, think Coco Cris. 528 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 5: Towards the end of his career and stuff like that. 529 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 5: So it's kind of cool to see like those guys 530 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 5: and like grew up watching and you've pitched there. 531 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: I haven't pitched there yet. 532 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 4: You haven't pitched there yet. 533 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 5: No next year, next year? Wow, So I got a 534 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 5: little ways to check off that bucket list. 535 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 2: Did you pitch over at Steinburner Field last Yeah? Yeah, 536 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 2: that does not count. 537 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: It doesn't count at all. 538 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 3: That does not count. 539 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 1: So I'm just hoping we get back here. 540 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 5: Hopefully it doesn't mess up with the lockout next year 541 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 5: and stuff like that, and that would just mess up 542 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 5: our schedule of whatever. The hundred and sixty two we'll 543 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 5: play everyone, So hopefully just be able to play it 544 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 5: drop at some point and be cool to check off 545 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 5: that bucket list. 546 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 4: It's actually I think it's a great place to watch 547 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 4: a game. It's not the most attractive stadium from outside, 548 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 4: but the sight lines are very good and the press 549 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 4: box is excellent, great vantage point. I don't play. 550 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 3: That's right, that's right. Well, Ryan Man, thanks a lot 551 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 3: for joining us. It was fun. Thanks for showing us 552 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 3: how you're gonna throw your splitty and yeah, and. 553 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 4: Showing people one more time the diving. 554 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 3: Can you describe what seems shifted? Wake is? 555 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 2: I remember talking to that's that's the word throwing around 556 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 2: a lot. Yeah, And I only asked that because I asked. 557 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: I had Mark Lloyd try to explain it to me 558 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,239 Speaker 2: once in San Francisco. I couldn't and he went through 559 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 2: this great explanation. And then if somebody put a gun 560 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 2: in my head said what is it, I don't think 561 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 2: I could do it. 562 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 5: So I mean it's think it's similar to like the kickness, 563 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,199 Speaker 5: like the kick change of it, Like it seems shifting, 564 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 5: so how it rotates out of the ball, Okay, and 565 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 5: so like we'll have diagrams too, where it'll be like 566 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 5: it looks like a baseball like this, and then it's 567 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 5: how you like you put pressure on it or like 568 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 5: how much pressure the ball comes out because you want 569 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 5: it like as center mass as you can. 570 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: That way, it's like true spin, true efficiency, like true 571 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: Rye kind of like. 572 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 5: Zax ball just because he has great extension, yeah, great 573 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 5: force behind it obviously throws hard, so like his center 574 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 5: mass is like pretty dialed in. Now some guys like 575 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 5: me just because my finger's a little wider, like I'm 576 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 5: not inconsistent because instead of throwing it like here with it, 577 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 5: I maybe throwing like that with it on the like 578 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 5: just the slightest movement of like me whatever coming up, 579 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 5: and then like the hand shifts a little bit. I 580 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 5: clipped my leve a little bit, so the ball moves 581 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 5: just even by one scene, it changes the whole ball. 582 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: So I think it's just crazy how that one little 583 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: instance of. 584 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 3: It or like the I don't know. 585 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 5: For me, I'm like a texture guy, So like if 586 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 5: the ball was like too slick, I don't like it 587 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,479 Speaker 5: at used to like the leather of it, because then 588 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 5: my my thumb can't push off on the scenes well, 589 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 5: or I can't like flick the baseball well, and it 590 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 5: has this weird like seam shifted and it moves differently 591 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 5: or like doesn't have the same movement profile or like 592 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 5: the same good feel behind the baseball. 593 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 4: In your mind when you seek all this movement. And 594 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 4: you guys are like scientists, but are you Is your 595 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 4: ball a swinging miss or weak contact? 596 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: Depends on the situation. Okay, there's some situations where. 597 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 5: Like Kyk when I walked to him in the last game, 598 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 5: I was like second and third obviously it's key k 599 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 5: during the postseason. 600 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: But it's like I got free base Pius on deck. 601 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 1: He wasn't doing well all the time. 602 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 5: But I think just in those situations like okay, guy, 603 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 5: free base, I'm gona try. We can miss here and 604 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 5: see what happens. And there's those situations where it's like 605 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 5: I'm trying to think like Colorado, it's very hard to 606 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 5: get strike out there, just because the irresistance on the ball, 607 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 5: the spin axis on the ball and stuff like that. 608 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 1: It's hard to get good, depthy pitches there. 609 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 5: It's like there, I'm just going in trying to get 610 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 5: weak contact ground balls and just let them get out 611 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 5: of themselves. 612 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 4: It's great stuff. 613 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 3: That's great stuff. 614 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 5: Man. 615 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, Ryans again, I appreciate it. 616 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. 617 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 3: That's awesome. 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