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Speaker 1: but fast and furious. We're only two weeks, believe it

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Speaker 1: would be a good time to set the stage here

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Speaker 1: and get a little brief rundown of each one of

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Speaker 1: the position groups where we are. Eric and Tony have

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Speaker 1: come up with each of their own top fives in

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Speaker 1: each of these groupings we've done. Uh. This week's offense

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Speaker 1: will do quarterbacks, running backs, wide receivers, tight ends. Then

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Speaker 1: then guards slash center. So that's kind of where we are.

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Speaker 1: We'll go through them, talk about the depth of each class,

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Speaker 1: some of the inventual players as we get you ready

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Speaker 1: for the NFL Combine that first week of March. Eric, Tony,

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Speaker 1: good to see you guys. How are you k Yes,

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Speaker 1: it is frozen over, you know, crac I'm not even sure.

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Speaker 1: Are you in Texas or you in Atlanta? Where are you?

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Speaker 1: I wasn't I was halfway in between a close. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know it's weird because you know, I'm California. I

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Speaker 1: I'm right there. So we get like this. It would

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Speaker 1: and it can drop into the twenties and then the

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Speaker 1: next day to be seventy and Sunday, so you don't

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Speaker 1: it's been it's been interesting. I guess what's the temperature

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have heat stoke compared to what we're dealing

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Speaker 1: with California. Guy to meet Tony, that's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Sixty seven degrees and with the highest seventy one, So

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Speaker 1: it looks like it's gonna warm up a little bit more. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the at the combine. All right, let's get to it here.

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Speaker 1: I guess we have to start with quarterbacks, and you

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Speaker 1: Here we go there you go? Uh. My top five

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Speaker 1: But then I have Kenny Pickett, and then I Desmon

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Speaker 1: Slowing things down to where he becomes more consistent. You

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Speaker 1: I've not heard it's gonna be an issue for Corral.

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Speaker 1: You know a couple of things you mentioned it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's got terrific physical skills. He gets it between the ears,

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Speaker 1: he sees what's going on. He can make all the

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Speaker 1: NFL passes. I'd like to see him approve his downfield

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Speaker 1: you may not get up after you're tackled. Uh uses

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Speaker 1: the field. Not the biggest guy lack lacks pocket stature,

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Speaker 1: I said, I mean my main concern is how does

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Speaker 1: But he's got great upside as far as I'm concerned. Now,

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Speaker 1: just to the fans, get the injury. He sprained his

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Speaker 1: no surgery anything like that. That's why he should be good.

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Speaker 1: Croc your take on Corral, Yeah, you know with crawl

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Speaker 1: of what Tony said, I agree with. You know, when

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Speaker 1: now is one thing I remember listening to Uh Kyle

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Speaker 1: quarterback in two thousand seventeen, said one of the main

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Speaker 1: traits that he likes to look for in quarterbacks, which

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Speaker 1: think corral when you kind of filter through all of

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Speaker 1: does me radar? You had them three on your left

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Speaker 1: crop correct, I have them on four at four. But

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Speaker 1: more consistent overall with it. I think that he doesn't.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I'm pretty sure Tony YouTube John. You

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Speaker 1: There wasn't anything that jumped out about his game, right,

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Speaker 1: what accuracy really is, and when you watch rator on film,

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Speaker 1: how that, how how this projects to the next level.

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Speaker 1: I think it's some limitations with Kenth Walker. Yeah, I

429
00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,639
Speaker 1: watched Walker this morning. I thought I did see some

430
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Speaker 1: of that make the man miss explosive this in the

431
00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,560
Speaker 1: open field. I saw him run away from guys. I agree.

432
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of times don't he get a

433
00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,399
Speaker 1: lot of space and you want to see him, you know,

434
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,240
Speaker 1: make guys missing those short areas. I thought he was

435
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,680
Speaker 1: a little too happy to bounce the ball sometimes instead

436
00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,920
Speaker 1: of taking the dirty yards inside Breece Hall was interesting

437
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,120
Speaker 1: when I watched him, because I think when you watch him,

438
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,720
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't look like he's running fast. Everything

439
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,720
Speaker 1: is at his own pace. It's very calm. His style

440
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,320
Speaker 1: remind him a lot of Levian Bell right slow to

441
00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,040
Speaker 1: the line, but fast through it. Very patient runner. And

442
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,000
Speaker 1: I think, you know, people are not going to be

443
00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,280
Speaker 1: wowed by his testing numbers. I don't think, but I

444
00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:45,199
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be a more effective running back with

445
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,959
Speaker 1: the results than maybe what the visual eye test might

446
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,240
Speaker 1: give you from watching him. And he's a good pass

447
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,760
Speaker 1: catch and he's a good blocker. And when you can

448
00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,080
Speaker 1: block as a rookie as a running back, you're gonna

449
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Speaker 1: see the field a lot. The one guy that I

450
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Speaker 1: have on here that Tony doesn't have as Kyra and

451
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 1: Williams out of Northern Dame. The one thing that people

452
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,359
Speaker 1: aren't going to value as much because it doesn't have

453
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 1: any to do running back by I like the fact

454
00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 1: that he did return punts for Nord of Dame added

455
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 1: that special teams kind of element, especially in the league

456
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 1: like right now, where there aren't a lot of guys

457
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Speaker 1: just oh, you're gonna be a three down back. You're

458
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 1: not coming off the field unless the team just has

459
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Speaker 1: to go that route. They have a committee of running backs. Well,

460
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,359
Speaker 1: how is Kenny get on the field? I think doing

461
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,680
Speaker 1: punt returns, maybe even put them back there for kick overturn.

462
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,679
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be terrific. He's not very fast, right,

463
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 1: I think as we're talking about some of these guys,

464
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Speaker 1: he might be the slowest one on on when they

465
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Speaker 1: time me him. But you know, I thought his start

466
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,360
Speaker 1: stop was pretty good. I thought he was very crafty

467
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 1: with the way he was able to make guys miss

468
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,439
Speaker 1: and then accelerate out of that. Still not very explosive,

469
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,399
Speaker 1: but just the ability to make guys miss in a

470
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 1: phone booth, as I like to say, I thought he

471
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Speaker 1: did a terrific job doing that. Very hard runner, very patient. Uh,

472
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 1: there are a lot of things that he did very well.

473
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Speaker 1: Maybe not that one thing that he's gonna be able

474
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Speaker 1: to hang his hat on at the NFL level, But

475
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Speaker 1: I could see him as you know a guy where

476
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Speaker 1: you know, like like Tony said, with one of the quarterbacks,

477
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,160
Speaker 1: you know five years from now, this is the guy

478
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Speaker 1: that's still kind of on someone's roster, maybe their second back,

479
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: but he's still able to be productive to some extent,

480
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Speaker 1: worker fill in if a guy gets injured. I see

481
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 1: him having that type of element. Not the most explosive,

482
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,360
Speaker 1: but again, and then to talk about their hands out

483
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Speaker 1: to backfield. A lot of these teams while watching them,

484
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,919
Speaker 1: I'm want man, they don't utilize the running backs in

485
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,719
Speaker 1: the passing game as much. But I thought when they

486
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 1: did throw balls at him, they threw scrazed do him.

487
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 1: I thought he did a good job with that understand

488
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 1: how to set up blocks, make guys miss, and get

489
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Speaker 1: the most out of each each touch. The one guy

490
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Speaker 1: I gotta mention didn't make less Pierre Strong the South

491
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 1: Dakota State, a guy who came into season highly rated

492
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Speaker 1: for whatever reason, fell off the radar screen even though

493
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Speaker 1: he had a good season. Exceptional interior ball carrier, displays

494
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: the ability to turn the corner, solid pass catcher, can

495
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 1: return punch. We talked about the CD ball s ball.

496
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Speaker 1: He lit it up for three days, try at try

497
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Speaker 1: and practice and really proved that he deserved that high rating,

498
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 1: that high grade the scouts gave him coming into the season.

499
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Speaker 1: It's kind of falling off the radar. He's gonna be

500
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Speaker 1: a guy that's somewhere in the middle part of the

501
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 1: day three, some team's gonna grab and he's gonna turn

502
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Speaker 1: into an exceptional I believe third or fourth back on

503
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Speaker 1: a depth chart. And I don't realize there really are

504
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 1: no full time running backs anymore. But which of these groups,

505
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 1: which of these guys from these groups, guys do you

506
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 1: think can be that, you know, eighteen to twenty to

507
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 1: carry a game. Guy that can be you know, maybe

508
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 1: not a share, but at least a one a of

509
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Speaker 1: a two man back field Breeze Hall. He just has

510
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: the body for he has the ability. You know, Tony

511
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 1: talked about his past catching, the ability, I think that's

512
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: out of value. His ability to block in the passing game.

513
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,920
Speaker 1: All those things combined sounds like a guy that can

514
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: take a majority of carries for a team. He's built

515
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: really good for a running back, really good. Yeah, I

516
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 1: would say I would agree with Breesel. I'd say Jeroan

517
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 1: Ford also, Jeroan Ford's got He's got a big body guy.

518
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: He's strong, he's powerful, but he's also super fast. I mean,

519
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 1: he could just beat defenders in the open field and

520
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 1: rent the daylight. All right, let jumped the wide receivers here, guys.

521
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 1: And by the way, any of these running bass going

522
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: round one? No, right, not this year. I don't see

523
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 1: how it happens unless somebody like Breeze Hall runs faster

524
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Speaker 1: than we expect. If he goes out there and runs

525
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Speaker 1: at four and three seven, then there might be a

526
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Speaker 1: team that's like, man, he has all the ability to

527
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Speaker 1: be RB one and you know, a team at the

528
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Speaker 1: end of the first round maybe like we saw with

529
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Speaker 1: Clyde Edwards Hilaire a couple of years ago, he got

530
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Speaker 1: drafted lard first round kind of hasn't worked out quite

531
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Speaker 1: as well as they probably would like. But uh, you know,

532
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Speaker 1: I think he can sneak into the late part of

533
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Speaker 1: the first round like that. No, I agree, if if if, if,

534
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: if Hall tests combined with his production and his and

535
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 1: his measurements, I think he would be the guy. I agree,

536
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,199
Speaker 1: or or somebody thinks he's just a natural fit for

537
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: the system. That's why Hillary Larry was where as early

538
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: as he did and I think Hall would be a

539
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: perfect outside so he would be the perfect outside zone guy, right, Tony,

540
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 1: uh or he could run inside as well because he's

541
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 1: a good interier runner as well. Perfect. All right, let's

542
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: go wide receiver, and I have I watched about eight

543
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 1: of these guys yesterday, and you got list are very different.

544
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: So I think we can have some a lot of

545
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 1: fun debate with this, Tony. Why don't you lead us

546
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 1: off here and give us your top five and wide receiver.

547
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: The top couple of guys are really bunch plus together.

548
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson of Ohio State, who's a big shorthanded possession tall,

549
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 1: He's not really big, but he's a shorthanded possession. Has

550
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: also got some decent deep speed. Jamison Williams, you know,

551
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: short of the injury, Jamison Williams is probably my number

552
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 1: one receiver. I don't think he's got that second year,

553
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: but he's quick. He's explosive, very fluid, very natural. Drake London,

554
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: who's a bigger receiver. Want to see Drake London's testing times,

555
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: not just the forty time, the ten yard time, the

556
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: three times in the shuttle time, because he's got to

557
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: prove that he's gonna basically buck the mold. He's the

558
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: taller guy that can can separate. Then Chris Alave, who

559
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 1: is a definite deep threat, probably the best of vertical receiver,

560
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: all the top receivers in this year's draft. And then

561
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: finally Johan Dotson average size, decent speed, which is a

562
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 1: great receiver. Catches everything that does thrown his way, does

563
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: the little things well, runs good routes, watch solid running

564
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: after the catch. But again he's under six foot tall,

565
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: which is probably gonna push him down a little bit.

566
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: Maybe late first round, early second All right, Croc, what

567
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: do you got? Yeah, my wide receiver one right now.

568
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 1: This guy Tony didn't even have on the list. Traylon

569
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: Burk's out of Arkansas, you know him being six three. Uh,

570
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 1: they're saying two or and thirty pounds. He can outrun

571
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: anyone on the field, has some big time acceleration after

572
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: the catch. Uh. He's a very versatile receiver. They line

573
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: him up outside. I don't know if he's gonna make

574
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: his money being a pure only outside type receiver, but

575
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 1: he can't win vertically on the outside, but he can

576
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: line up in the slot. They do a lot of

577
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: thing he's motioning him into the backfield. They throw a

578
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: lot of screens, they do everything. They kind of get

579
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: the ball into his hands and he's a big time playmaker.

580
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 1: And he did lie that with probably the worst quarterback

581
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,959
Speaker 1: in situation out of all these guys, kJ Jefferson as

582
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: a quarterback for Arkansas. So um, I love Traylon Burk's

583
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: I think the thing people are gonna have to kind

584
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: of overlook kids. He just wins a different way. Is

585
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: he the best route runner in this class? I don't

586
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 1: think anybody would say that, but his ability to kind

587
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: of win with positioning and be able to run away

588
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 1: with guys, I think that's the big time. I think

589
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: that translates well to the NFL level, which we've seen

590
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: with guys like A. J. Brown or even like a

591
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: Jamaar Chason. I'm not saying he's them. What I'm saying

592
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 1: with just being able to win that type of way

593
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 1: where you're just an explosive player, but I think you

594
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: hit it with the A J. Brown comp That's what

595
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: he reminds me of. He's so strong right when he

596
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: gets the ball in his hands. To me, that that's

597
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: that's what I see when I when I look at Barks,

598
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: I think a J. Brown immediately it might have even

599
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: a little bit better uh top end speed than even

600
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: a J. Brown. Uh. And then I have Jamison Williams,

601
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: and like Tony was saying, we'll see what happens with

602
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: the with the injury and things like that, but I

603
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: kind of just blocked the injury out of my mind

604
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: and was just what type of player is he? And

605
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: he's one of my favorite prospects in this class from

606
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: his ability to, you know, just really create that separation.

607
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 1: He can win right now the line of scrimmage, you

608
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,959
Speaker 1: can move him around, he can come in and be

609
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: a pure wide receiver one he can win at the

610
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: catch point. The explosive plays to run after the catch

611
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: on slant routes out running SEC defenders. I think that's

612
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 1: terrific with him. Garrett Wilson, Uh, the one thing that

613
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 1: really stood out to me and some people kind of

614
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: threw out the cop of maybe in the Odell Beckham.

615
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure all the Giants fans that are listening

616
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: today are very familiar with who he is. His ability

617
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 1: to make catches at the catch point where he could

618
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: create separation with routes. He is twitched up. He has

619
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 1: that type of exposing this. But I think the thing

620
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: that stood out to me most was just the body

621
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: control when the ball was in the airs and his

622
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: ability to make catches while defenders are right next to him.

623
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: I think that's terrific. Then we have a lave who

624
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: yeah able to win over the top. He's a little

625
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: bit more smoother than sudden as a as a you know,

626
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: comparing him to Garrett Wilson. But I like his smoothness

627
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: reminds me a little bit of like a Keenan Allen,

628
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: but with like I don't even want to say, with

629
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: more vertical speak. And somehow even though Keenan Aloranda four seven,

630
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: he's still beats guys over the top. But just that

631
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: smoothness and his ability to really be you know, hands catcher,

632
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: catch the ball away from his body. There's something he

633
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: let's get into his body. But uh, there was a

634
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: lot to like about him and that big play ability.

635
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: And then fifth, which I kind of battle with these

636
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: guys being fourth and fifth, But Drake London out of USC, uh,

637
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: you know, six five to ten has that basketball background,

638
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: play basketball at USC. Finally committed to receiver and I'm

639
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: curious to see what his game is gonna go to.

640
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: I mean extremely productive. First of all, by the time

641
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Speaker 1: he got hurt hurt his ankle scoring a touchdown, you know,

642
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: he already had over a thousand yards and almost ninety

643
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: receptions and we were barely maybe halfway through the season. Uh.

644
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: Interesting thing with how they utilize him, you did as

645
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: soon uh six five. He's just more of a jump

646
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: ball guy, which he definitely does that. Some people might

647
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: complay a little bit about separation was see how he

648
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: improves on it, But they throw a ton of screens

649
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: to him as well. So I think that's that's what

650
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Hey, we like his athletic ability, his ability

651
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: time make guys missed right here in a short are,

652
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: especially at the line of scrimmage. I grew with Tony

653
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: seeing his testing the three cone L drill, those type

654
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: of things. I think there's gonna be important for some

655
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: of the NFL teamency. But now he kind of gets

656
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: to final leave for the first time ever in his life,

657
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: focus on one sport and focus on being the best

658
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: receiver that he can be as opposed to being a

659
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: basketball player and football player. And I think his game

660
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: is just gonna go to the next level. So here's

661
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: a guy who might even rise a little bit for me.

662
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: Comparisons out there, kind of like kind of like a

663
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: te Higgins type guy, but even bigger if he measures

664
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Speaker 1: in at the six five that they expect him to. Yeah,

665
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: I look, I did a top five or two guys. Um.

666
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: I have Wilson one just because I think he could

667
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: do everything right. You Ston went over the top. I

668
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: think he's a good route runner, contested catches, back, shoulders,

669
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: body control. You mentioned that, Croc. I think he's a

670
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: very safe player. Is he gonna be like the guy

671
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: that you know puts fear into the heart of defenses?

672
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: Maybe not, but I think he's gonna be an excellent

673
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: all around receiver you can use in any of the

674
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: three spots. I think he's gonna be a very good player.

675
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: You know, Jamison Williams, You guys said it. Look every

676
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: game you watch, he's the most explosive athlete on the field.

677
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: He just is. And I think that gets you excited.

678
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: We'll see about the injury checks will be important for him.

679
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: I have Burke, says my number three guy. I think

680
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: the upside Croc. You mentioned it, boy, you have to

681
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: watch a lot of games to find rose that that

682
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: around target for him. That is a rough quarterback situation

683
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: um at Arkansas for Burkes. You know, I have London

684
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: as my fourth guy. I think, you know, he kind

685
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: of wins the way Mike Evans does in the pros.

686
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: He is that type of frame and body. But I

687
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: agree with both you. I think his testing will be

688
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: important to say, you know, that will guide people as

689
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: to how he might be able to separate in the NFL.

690
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: And then I have dots In In in front of

691
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: a Lava at number five. I just think he's more

692
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: of a a deceptive and sudden route runner O Lava.

693
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: I think you said this Crocky, he's more smooth than sudden,

694
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: and I agree. And I like the suddenness of dots

695
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: In a little bit better than I do a Lava.

696
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: So that's my five. And then I have a Lava

697
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: as the six guy kind of peeking in there on

698
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: the outside. That's this guy, really like I mean, in fact,

699
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: Tony had him in there in the top five. I

700
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: I have no argument with that. I think he's a

701
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: very explosive receiver. He's a playmaker. I think he's a

702
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: guy that can line up inside outside. I'm gonna like

703
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: his ability to really be able to win inside against

704
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: um better matchups like maybe linebackers, maybe some safeties in space.

705
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna kill it with that and be

706
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: able to run away from a lot of guys. So

707
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: I think the thing with a love age. You gotta

708
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: go back and watch the two thousand twenty film because

709
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: a lot of it was a different receiver with Justin

710
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: field Stow on the ball than it was this year

711
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,479
Speaker 1: with C. J. Stroud. In fact, they lost Jeffery Ruckert

712
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: will talk about the tight end also had a disappointing season,

713
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: not because I think his play was disappointing, but because

714
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: the new quarterback took a while to get adjusted. And

715
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: I was at Ohio Stay games where a lot of

716
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: it was wide open and the quarterback just missing. The

717
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: quarterback was even looking towards him. So I think that's

718
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: one thing with a love As far as trailing Burkes

719
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: is concerned, listen, I like Burks as a receiver. I'm

720
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: concerned the fact that he's pounds right now. I don't

721
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,479
Speaker 1: think he can be that heavy. You could. Everyone's comparing

722
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: to a J. Brown terrific. A. J. Brown was a

723
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: late second round pick because of the fact that people

724
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: were concerned about his route running, concerned about his ability

725
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: to separate. He's worked out well, you know, I think

726
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: it's the same situation Traylon Burks. I'm gonna be very

727
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: interested to see what Trailon Burks runs the forty times

728
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: the tenure split because when I watched the film, he

729
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: looks to me like he's a mid four or four guy.

730
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: Absolutely wins out for the contested throws, no doubt about

731
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: a high points the ball out muscles opponents for the

732
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: ball for the receivers, but again that's short of receiver.

733
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: The keem Butlers of the world, the alum Wizards of

734
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: the world, you know they have got they get depressed

735
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: on undraft. There they go later than people think, because

736
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: you can't be just a guy who wins out for

737
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: the contested throws. Important for me to watch to see

738
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: what Traylon Burk's testing numbers. The forty times and the

739
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: tenure split time are in a week and a half

740
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: at the combine, two weeks in the combine. I think

741
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: Traylon Burks is gonna be an acquired taste for about

742
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: an NFL teams. If you are more of a spread

743
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: eleven personnel type team, you might shy away from him

744
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: a little bit. If you are one of these teams

745
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: are more run heavy, two receivers out, a little bit,

746
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: more tight splue formations. I think he's the guy who

747
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to get out in space on

748
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: big play actions. He's gonna be able to run away

749
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: from some defenders. But yeah, if you spread it out

750
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: and that's what you want your office to be, he

751
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: might not be the player for you. Even three con

752
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 1: is going to be important too. Right to see how

753
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: he changes directions at the top of these routes. There

754
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: you go. I mean the route running for trail on

755
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: Barksley is allowed to be desired. Granted they didn't ask

756
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: him to run a lot of complicated routes. I mean

757
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: it was basically, like you said, under these screens where

758
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: he kind of float on exit and they throw the

759
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: ball too, and he snatched it out of the air.

760
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: So that the route running not only the testing, but

761
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: remember they do a lot of position drills after the

762
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: testing when they do the after they do the forty,

763
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: you want to watch his route running. Is he slowing

764
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: in the brakes. Is he quick foot in the brakes?

765
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,959
Speaker 1: Does he get choppy footed? Is he able to stay

766
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: low exiting brakes? Does he come out of his brakes

767
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: with balance? Those are gonna be the things to watch.

768
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: The trail on barks at the combine. Now here's the thing,

769
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: because I'm kind of expecting him to do well with

770
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: those things. Let's say he goes there and you know,

771
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: he runs a solid three cone slid Hildre runs low

772
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: four for is, which I expect him to do. And

773
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: then he you see him and he's getting in and

774
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: out of his brains because hey, I was asked to

775
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: do these things in Arkansas, but I've worked on these

776
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: things for the last eight weeks now. And he's dropping

777
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: his hips, getting out of braids. How would teams view

778
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: him and in? And I think that's kind of I'm

779
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: projecting a little bit when it comes to him and

780
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: what I think he might be able to do. Tony,

781
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,919
Speaker 1: who's your sleeper and white out? My sleeping and white

782
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: out is is someone who probably no one knows about it.

783
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: Keep by the name with John Dixon from Nickels State.

784
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: He's a He's a decent sized guy, six ft two pounds,

785
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: runs in the high four, fourth, catches everything in sight.

786
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: Just a guy who takes over games, sort of the

787
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: way that Drake London did at USC. Soft handed guy,

788
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: goes over the middle, wins out for the contested throw,

789
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: sneaky speed. He's gonna be a late round pick. He's

790
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,919
Speaker 1: got some off the field issues that people are gonna

791
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: have to sift through and investigate. But again, you know

792
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: six seventh round choice that I think a team can

793
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: take and he could surprise at the next level and

794
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 1: turn out to be a real productive fourth and fifth receiver.

795
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 1: On the depth chart, how many first round picks guys?

796
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: And how deep does this group go? It feels like

797
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: every year you can find receivers now in the third round.

798
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: College just kind of mass produces these guys with all

799
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: the passing that goes on now. So how many first

800
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: rounders in and and how deep is this class gonna

801
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: go where you can find a solid NFL starter? I

802
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be pretty deep. If I had to say,

803
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: you know, how many guys go Day one, kind of

804
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,919
Speaker 1: wonna put that number at four. I've done some mock

805
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: drafts and it feels like they're receivers for whatever reason,

806
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: I'm kind of getting pushed down the list a little bit.

807
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: But four, I'd say I'm confident with that. Uh if

808
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: five go wouldn't be overly surprised, I'd sit through over

809
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: underout four and a half. Yeah, I'd say that I'd

810
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: agree with that. I four, but I think you're gonna

811
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 1: end up with five. But it's still a pretty deep pless.

812
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, day two you got John Metchi

813
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: there who has an injury. Charleston Rambo of Miami who

814
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: has had a terrific season, came from came from Oklahoma.

815
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: Kid from Kentucky by the name of wen Dale Robinson.

816
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of ron Dale Moore in his

817
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: game in the sense that he's a he's a vertical

818
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: receiver who's super quick. You get to the late order

819
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 1: the third round, sky More Caleb Lab's number one target

820
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: from Western Michigan. Jalen Tolbert of the South Alabama we

821
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: saw at the Senior Bowl who really blew it up.

822
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: And even later on a coup named Samari Torrey from Nebraska. Uh,

823
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: by way of Montana. You're talking day three pick who

824
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: was a real good college receiver at three great days

825
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: of shrine game practice, everybody's kind of falling off of him,

826
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: but you can somebody's gonna take him the late round.

827
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a good receiver at the next level.

828
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: And I think one guy that's definitely gonna be a

829
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: big winner because of how Cooper Cup is performing. But

830
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: Alan Pierce a guy who is kind of that big receiver.

831
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: They used them on the outside and he was terrific

832
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 1: with Tested Cash. But at the Senior Bowl he showed

833
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: me he has some twitch to his route running and

834
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I wasn't expected to see that

835
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: much said in this from him. That's gonna probably surprise

836
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: some scouts when they see him more in person. Even

837
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: that like a combine if he could run well with

838
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: his ability and a guy that you might want to

839
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: put in the slide. And again I said, Cooper Cup

840
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: might have made him some money a little bit, you know,

841
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: being kind of a bigger, white guy slot receiver. I

842
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: think all appears. I think he'll kill it there and

843
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: be able to kind of win there. So he's a

844
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: guy that you won't have to draft very high. He

845
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: might even go nowhere than Cooper Cup did. Cooper Cups

846
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: draft the top of the third round. I can see

847
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: appears going at some point day three, and I think

848
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a really good value pick for somebody

849
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: terrific hands, catch the ball away from his body's able

850
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: to win vertically. But I think when they see that

851
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: setting is they're gonna be like, you know what, utilize

852
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 1: your ability to match you up against some of these

853
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: backers and safeties in space and be able to win there.

854
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: Mcknot on Alex Pierre, So I'm told he's gonna test

855
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: incredibly well to combine. I'm told recently he's been vertical

856
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: jumping forty one and a half inches, So if he

857
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 1: verts forty two inches at the combine, don't be surprised.

858
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: You remember where you heard it? Hey, when he does, then, uh,

859
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: he might be an early day two type guy. He's

860
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: got a little bullet, he's got a little billy hoil

861
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: on him. Huh. You guys, everywady that understands contested throws

862
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: all right, tight ends. Uh, Croc, why don't you lead

863
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: us off here? Yeah? Man, I think this one was

864
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: probably gonna be a little surprising. Our first guy, but

865
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: cold turner out in Nevada, Jalen Widemeyer at the Texas

866
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: and m got Jeremy ruckerd You know, I know Tony

867
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: said didn't have as great of a year due to

868
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: the whole quarterback situation. I got Trey McBride out of

869
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: Colorado State, and then Jake Ferguson out of Wisconsin. The

870
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: Cold Turner. Okay, so really called my top three. Those

871
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: are the guys who I really I really like. But

872
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: Cold Turner, he's a receiver in the tight ends body.

873
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: They split him out wide, they throw jump balls to him,

874
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 1: and I'm with the gold line. They'll they'll run slants

875
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: and these different things with him. I think he plays

876
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 1: well in space. He's not like this super explosive mover.

877
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 1: He's more of a big body guy moves to a spot,

878
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: but shows I mean, terrific hands. I think he has

879
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: the best ball skills at any receiver tight end in

880
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: his class. To way one hand catch, two hands over guys,

881
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 1: tough catchers, go down and get passes out the dirt.

882
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: For a guy six six, I think he does those

883
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: things terrific. He's gonna run away from guys. I'm not

884
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 1: sure he's the most sudden. I don't think so, but

885
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: I really like his ability to be a pure receiver,

886
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: tight tight end and be able to do some things

887
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: when split them out, move them in space. Really like him,

888
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: uh Wadamyer. I watched the Alabama game and saw them

889
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: use him a lot as like a blocker in line.

890
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: Maybe they need them to help, uh you know, just

891
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: the pass protection against Alabama's pass fresh I thought he

892
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: held up extremely well. So unlike Cold Turner, this guy

893
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: is definitely more he gives you. He has more value

894
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: in the blocking game, but still gives you a lot

895
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,919
Speaker 1: of ability as a pass catcher. Smooth, good hands, run

896
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: after catch. Surprise me because when you watch my m route,

897
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 1: he looks a little bit more of a slower mover,

898
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: but then after the catch he's making guys miss and

899
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: running the spots. I can go terrific. And then Jeremy

900
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: Rucker he might be the best mover of the three

901
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,959
Speaker 1: guys that I just mentioned. I think, like Toy said,

902
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: like just the lack of targets and in the way

903
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: that they utilize him this season in it was something

904
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: that kind of jumped out to me not a plus

905
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: for him, but I made know of it. I think

906
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: the best is have to come for him. I think

907
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: he's gonna get to the NFL level and start to

908
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: be utilized a little bit more as a receiver and

909
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: spelled space. But I thought he did a good job blocking.

910
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 1: Was more than a willing blocker. Uh, he was good

911
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,959
Speaker 1: blocker in space. They used him on motions and things

912
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: like that, come down, chop down something, guys in the backside.

913
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: I like this game a lot show a lot of

914
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: toughness as well. Yeah, this is a great tight end class.

915
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: You don't have a coll pits at the top, but

916
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: you've got great depth. Our list are a lot different.

917
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: I do have Widermeyer as my number one tight end.

918
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: I think he's basically a possession type receiver with decent

919
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: speed playing the tight end position. He makes a lot

920
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: of natural catches. He makes a lot of catches that

921
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: the receiver receiver would make, and I like his explosiveness

922
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: or that have. Trey McBride of Colorado State gotta see

923
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: how fast he runs at the combine. If he runs

924
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: faster than expected, faster than expected, it's gonna be in

925
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: the high four sixes. He's gonna go over relatively early.

926
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: Jeremy Rutgert a big guy who moves exceptionally well catches

927
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: the ball well can also block. Isaiah Likely of Coastal Carolina,

928
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: someone who I've actually been in love with for the

929
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: past two years. I mean, you want to talk about

930
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: a guy who looks like a two one pound receiver

931
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: on the field, gets down vertically, gets down the field, vertically,

932
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: makes the big time catch, the over the shoulder catch.

933
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: Just a game changing tight end who has to improve

934
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: his blocking. They never really asked him a block too

935
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: much a Coastal Carolina because he was such a playmaker.

936
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 1: And then Greg Bulsitch of u C l A another

937
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: real good pass catcher who does a solid job blocking.

938
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: The faster he runs to combine the earlier he's gonna

939
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 1: be selected in the draft. Tony let me at one second.

940
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: Tony talked about, you know, blocking and things like that

941
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: cold turner. They didn't asked him to block a whole lot,

942
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: you know. So that's one thing that's out when I

943
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: say he was a big receiver in a tight end.

944
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: His body, uh a lot of you know, off ball

945
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: detached time alignments for him. Suddenly that put him like

946
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: I never saw him with his hand in the dirt,

947
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: not one time as putting somebody like you know Ferguson,

948
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: you know at Wisconsin, like he's has in a dirt

949
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: lot's doing a lot of blocking. Didn't really see that

950
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: from Coach's I just kind of wanna throw it out

951
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: here because you know, with the kid from you say that,

952
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of really good things about him.

953
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: And even if it's not a guy that hangs his

954
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: hat on blocking, if you can do it well enough,

955
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: uh NFL teams to take that Tony and I was

956
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: gonna fall up on Watermeyer Actually a very similar point

957
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: to a Croc just made you know his body type.

958
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: He looks like that, all right, this guy can be

959
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: your classic two way tight end. It's funny. As I

960
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: watched his tape through the year, I almost felt like

961
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: early year he looked slower. He looked like he was lumbering.

962
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: As he got further all in the year, I thought

963
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: he looked like he got faster. I don't know if

964
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: he got into shape or it's just he got more comfortable,

965
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: whatever the case might be. I don't think I saw

966
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, shiftiness and suddenness, but I

967
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: saw you know, straight line. Like to me, he's like

968
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: your perfect two ways seem tardy to get him down

969
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:57,919
Speaker 1: to seam. He's a big body. He's a big guy.

970
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: He could probably take some hits from safety. I think

971
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: he has some of that potential. Is that why you

972
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: like him so much? That he can be kind of

973
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: that two way guy for teams? Tonty again, you got

974
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: I I looked at more than just two thousand one.

975
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: When you looked at the two thousand twenty film, he

976
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: was a game for Texas A and M. He was

977
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: a guy who got down the field, who went out

978
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: for the contestant throw, made catches during the important moments

979
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: of the game. Now you mentioned he was a little

980
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: bit slower in the beginning of season Layer. I'm told

981
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: that there may be some maturity issues with him. Not

982
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: that he's a bad guy, but he's just gotta realize,

983
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta work a little harder. You can't

984
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: get by on your natural ability, which is you know,

985
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,720
Speaker 1: you can say that about a hundred guys in the draft.

986
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: But I love his athleticism. I love his pets catching skills.

987
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: I think he he'll be able to hold his own

988
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: as a blocker. Interesting, Tony, who's your sleeper? Uh? Kip?

989
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: My name of Josh Babbage from North Dakota State actually

990
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: entered the season as the second rated UH time in

991
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 1: out of North Dakota State. Big body guy, six ft six,

992
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: two fifty five pounds, probably gonna run in the four

993
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: seven five season. Not invited to the combine, which puts

994
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: him up against it as far as being selected a

995
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: draft during his part, it's probably gonna run in the

996
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: four sevens, but he plays much faster, catches the ball,

997
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 1: very fluid, very natural catching the ball, and at six

998
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: ft six pounds, is a decent blocker as well. Alright,

999
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: So if you're looking for two way tight ends, guys,

1000
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: my sense is that you know you guys used listed five,

1001
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: but you could probably go three or four deeper of

1002
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: guys that could be a fourth round pick, a fifth

1003
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: round pick, and you feel pretty confident you need to

1004
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: plug in and just have a guy that can do

1005
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: a little bit of everything. This seems to be a

1006
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: pretty good group where if you need a tight end

1007
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 1: late on date, early on day three, that you can

1008
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: probably find a player that can step in and do

1009
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: a solid job at the position. Right, it's outstanding. I mean,

1010
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: you know, Daniel Bellinger, San Diego State, I have him

1011
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: as Day three pick. Some scouts like him as a

1012
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: third round pick. Kay Doton out of Washington, who had

1013
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: a very winning season. A lot of people thought he

1014
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: was gonna enter last year's draft. He's probably gonna fall

1015
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: into the third round. I mentioned Babbage, Nick News who

1016
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: we saw at South Caroline's gotta pick up his blocking

1017
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: a little bit, but he's a real good pass catcher.

1018
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: Austin Allen get out of Nebraska, six ft seven and

1019
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: a half tour a sixty four pounds, catches the ball

1020
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: very well. A real good, uh pass catcher. You're also

1021
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: gonna have, you know, decent move tight ends. The kid

1022
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: okwa Awu of Maryland who's moving up draft boards, had

1023
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: to grow three great shrine game practices. James Mitchell of

1024
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: Virginia Tech, who's sort of the forgotten man because he

1025
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: heard his knee. I believe the beginning of October, James

1026
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: Mitchell people thought if he entered last year's draft would

1027
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: have been a third round pick. Decides to go back

1028
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: for a senior season, gets injured. You know, again, not

1029
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 1: really a two way tight end, but if you're looking

1030
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: for a moved tight end, if he gets back to

1031
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 1: health and gets back to prior playing for him, He's

1032
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: gonna be a steel somewhere in the middle of the day. Three. Awesome. Alright,

1033
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: let's head in here, and we're no first round picks

1034
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: right out of this tight end crew. Accurate. I think

1035
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: if there's one on my board anyway, could be widermire

1036
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: depending on how he runs at the combine. Fair enough,

1037
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: All right, let's drop into the trenches here, boys, we

1038
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: got about twenty minutes. Let's go offensive tackle first, and Tony,

1039
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: the most interesting about your list for me, so I'll

1040
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: start with you, is a name that's not on your

1041
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: offensive tackle list. Well, it's because he's my number one

1042
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: offensive board. Uh my offensive tackle list. Does you have

1043
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: a deal of Alabama? Charles Crust of Mississippi State, Trevor

1044
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: Penning Northern Iowa, Nicholas Petite Frere well how State, and

1045
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 1: another big tank guy that I absolutely like, Rashid Walker

1046
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: of Penn State, rock yep. And so I have four guys.

1047
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: I have four guys on the offensive tackle the spot

1048
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: and four on the interior. But Evan Neil I got

1049
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: knew who you know, Tony. He said he has a

1050
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: guard Charles Crossing and Trevor Penning. So yeah, that's where

1051
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 1: I'm at with the offensive tackle position. Now I have

1052
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: a spot open because I don't know, I really like

1053
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: Kenyan Green maybe more than the other. I mean, I

1054
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: know he's a guard and he and he's you know,

1055
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be like that lanky guy. But I

1056
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: thought he was solid at at tackle. You know. I

1057
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: thought he was a good tackle as well. So if

1058
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: teams are looking for someone that I don't want to say,

1059
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: be a screen tackle because if you draft him, youre

1060
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: drafting him to come in and start. But here's a

1061
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: guy that can play multiple positions in the pitch. All right,

1062
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: So Tony, let's get to the top story here. Why

1063
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: do you have a quantity as a guard and not

1064
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 1: a tackle. I just think he's better in confined quarters.

1065
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: You know, we did an interview with a Pro Football

1066
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: network did an interview with him at the Super Bowl.

1067
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, I'd like to stay at left tackle,

1068
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 1: but if I've got to move to guard the right tackle,

1069
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: I will. So I think he's being told that he

1070
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: may have to shift the next level. I just think

1071
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: that the way he plays and the fact that he

1072
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: doesn't have great footwork off the edge. He doesn't have

1073
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: to show great lateral legili I see like Rashid Walker

1074
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: uh from from Penn State, who's fantastic at it. I

1075
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: think you're you're moving him over to the right side,

1076
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: whether it's the right tackle or right guard where I

1077
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: have him. I think he's just better off in a

1078
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: smaller area, playing in the phone booth. Obviously, I think

1079
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen is he's gonna be try to tackle

1080
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: first and if he stays there, good for him. I'm wrong,

1081
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: But just the way I project him to the next level,

1082
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 1: I think he's better. I don't think he will be

1083
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: a dominant guard in the NFL. I think I just

1084
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: think he's better in a small area. And absolutely and

1085
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: and Craig, I'll let you get your take on him too.

1086
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 1: But like you watch a Kwanu in the running game,

1087
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: it like you would have fun watching football. Go watch

1088
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: that dude run block. He is knocking guys off their feet,

1089
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: moving people. So he certainly has the strength to play

1090
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: that guard spot if he has to. But boy, in

1091
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: the run game, he has a lot of fun. He's

1092
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: like a little Mackay Beckton. If people that watched him

1093
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: last year a couple of years ago, just moving guys

1094
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 1: all over the place. But to Tony's point, his past

1095
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: protection is a little bit all over the place. Like

1096
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: he can tell his his sets aren't consistent, his footworks

1097
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: not great. So if you're gonna prioritize pass pro out

1098
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: of a tackle, then I could see why he might

1099
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: not be your number one guy in your list. Well,

1100
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: I want to ask Tony how he feels about Evan

1101
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: Neil all right, because I I think he is the

1102
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: number one tackle prospect here, big guy, and I think

1103
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: he's a terrific mover for how big he is. But

1104
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: there were a few things that kind of continue to

1105
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: jump out. Even know I think he's the best tackle

1106
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: in his class. I thought he was on the ground

1107
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: a little too much for my liking. I'm not sure

1108
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,919
Speaker 1: if it's a leverage type thing because he is so big.

1109
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking about six seven six ft eight

1110
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 1: three fifty plus pounds like that. That's a big tackle

1111
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: unless you're just this freak athlete like let's say, like

1112
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: Us Williams, who's three fifty pounds, but he moves like

1113
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 1: he's two hundred and seventy five pounds, right, I think

1114
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: Evan Neil, he's more of like a big wall, extremely

1115
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: hard for guys to get around him. I think his

1116
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: past set is really good. Um. I don't think that

1117
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: anything was looked too much for him, and it since

1118
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: of what guys were able to give him off of

1119
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: the edge, but him moving and kind of falling or

1120
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: trying to finish blocks losing his footing. I would have

1121
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: liked to see a bit more nastiness like y'all talked

1122
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: about with a Newel, where you know, you see him

1123
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: kind of finished blocks in the run game. I didn't

1124
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: see a whole lot of that from every Neel. And

1125
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, you know, that's something that people

1126
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: are gonna knock him forward. But you know, when I

1127
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: was watching all the guys from Georgia and when they

1128
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: started pouring it on Outabama late in that game, and

1129
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 1: guys were diving over piles and you know, and they

1130
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 1: were just nasty and you can see that that confidence

1131
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: in like like the bullies, and I would like to

1132
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: see a little bit more bully in him from Evan Neil,

1133
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: who I thought, in the consistent basis did his job

1134
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 1: play well, but there were some things I would like

1135
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: to see a little bit more from him, especially with

1136
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: that type of side you get. Remember, Evan Nel was

1137
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 1: right tackle two thousand twenty, moved to the left side

1138
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: two so it's a new position now to you're a point,

1139
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people in the league who

1140
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: feel that Evan Neil is better off inside and guard

1141
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: in the NFL because of his build. I mean when

1142
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: you look at every Evan Neil, I mean he his

1143
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 1: lower body is large, it's big. It's more of a

1144
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: guard build than a tackle build, because there is something

1145
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: teams that want, you know, their tackles to be sort

1146
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: of like Charles Cross, a little bit sleeker, a little

1147
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: bit slimmer, a little bit more mobile. So it's gonna

1148
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: be interesting the conversation that we hear coming out of

1149
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: war rooms as we get from the draft, from the

1150
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: combine moving forward as to how many teams like Evan

1151
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 1: Neal at left tackle, at right tackle, or even a guard.

1152
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: And you don't mention Charles Cross. I know that some

1153
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,439
Speaker 1: people who absolutely love this guy. I think he's got

1154
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 1: a huge upside. But there's a lot of concern with

1155
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: Charles Cross from you when you watch him. He doesn't

1156
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: really bend his knees all that much. He's not a

1157
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: great leverage blocker. And you know, you go back to

1158
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: Bill ourselves with his days with the New York Giants,

1159
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: they all through practice. He used to tell guys, bend

1160
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: your needs, get your hands up, Ben your needs, get

1161
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: your hands up. I don't see a lot of need

1162
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: ben from Charles Cross. Charles Cross almost never came out

1163
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: of a three point stance at Mississippi State. They had

1164
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: him always staying on, which is probably part of the

1165
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: reason why he never really blocked or but learned to

1166
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: block with the knee bend. So those are some concerns

1167
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: for me with Charles Cross. Very a very mobile, real

1168
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: good pass protector, but some of the fundamental things which

1169
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: he was able to get, some of the poor fundamentals

1170
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: that he was able to get away with on Saturday

1171
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: better be rectified her He's gonna get slaughtered on Son. Yeah, Tony,

1172
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: I agree with you, And I was literally about to

1173
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: say the same thing. If you're looking for a guy

1174
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: that you think can pass protect the best, and you're

1175
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: looking for upside athletically, just as an athlete, crosses your guy.

1176
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 1: But you're right, I think the athleticism allowed him to

1177
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: overcome some technique stuff that he needs to get better

1178
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 1: at at the pro level. So I do think if

1179
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: the team decides, look, i'm gonna priorize pass protection athleticism,

1180
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick Charles course first, I think they're gonna

1181
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,959
Speaker 1: have to realize there might be some growing pains there

1182
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 1: with him especially, and you can correct me if I'm wrong.

1183
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: He took a pretty big jump performance right wise, right

1184
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: from last year to this year, Like he improved, like

1185
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: he he made a big jump massive, I mean David

1186
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: Jabu from a Michigan State type of jump where no

1187
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: one was talking about him before the season, and you

1188
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: know by October everybody was absolutely lot croc. What did

1189
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: you think when you still cross? What you like about him?

1190
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: I really liked him initially, I liked him more than Neil.

1191
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 1: Now I watched more games and then I started to

1192
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: come around a little bit more on him. Again, I

1193
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: have these questions on him, but I got a cross.

1194
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 1: I thought it moved better in space. I think Tony

1195
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: talked about it being a little bit more sleep. I

1196
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: thought his footwork was pretty solid, and I just thought

1197
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: he just overall moved well with what tackles are being

1198
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: asked to do in the NFL, and I think at

1199
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: some point where Evan Neil being so big, sometimes it's

1200
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 1: kind of hard to continue to win with your Never's thought.

1201
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: He was good when he got his hands on. But

1202
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: sometimes you know, if a guy can kind of get

1203
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: underneath you and kind of knock you back a little bit,

1204
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: that might be in the issue. I didn't see that

1205
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: as an issue with Cross, So Cross was a guy

1206
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: who initially I was higher on him than Evan Neil.

1207
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: All right, Tony. We talked about Trevor Petting a lot

1208
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 1: on our Senior Bowl Show Episode one. Ever, we should

1209
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: go back and listen to that and watch that. Give

1210
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: me the two guys who I have not watched. I

1211
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 1: don't know if Croc has um, Nicholas petite Frere and

1212
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 1: Rashid Walker your fourth and fifth tackles. Give us a

1213
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: rundown on those two guys. What you like and when

1214
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 1: you think they might go. If you watch the Michigan game,

1215
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 1: you would think that Nicholas petit Frere is a late

1216
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: round pick because Aidan Hutchinson just ate him up. But

1217
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: he's a big, mobile, athletic guy. He's real good in

1218
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: past protection. He can slide out well. And he's also

1219
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: a nasty run blocker. I mean he gets he drives

1220
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: guys off the line of scrimmage, he squares into him

1221
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: and seals him from the place. He's got a high upside.

1222
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 1: He's not there yet, but he's got a great upside.

1223
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: Could slide in the late first round. Rashid Walker is

1224
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: a guy that I've been on since his freshman season.

1225
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,760
Speaker 1: I mean, you want to talk about a Charles Cross

1226
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: type of guy, but except he bends his knees and

1227
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: he comes out of a a three point stance. Rashi Walker,

1228
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: in my opinion, is a phenomenal past blocker. The way

1229
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 1: he slides off the edge the lateral range, his ability

1230
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: to get out to the second level. Problem with Rashid

1231
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: Walker is doesn't show. The nastiness, doesn't finish his run blocks.

1232
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: Does have some mental lapses on occasion which basically turned

1233
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,760
Speaker 1: into room for the quarterback. But as far as upside

1234
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: is concerned, Rashid Walker is. People are gonna start talking

1235
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: more and more about Rashid Walker as far as pure

1236
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 1: pass blocking left tackles that have terrific athleticism and a

1237
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: high upside. So I imagine Tony he's one of the

1238
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: guys that's gonna blow up Indie at the combine and

1239
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,280
Speaker 1: then we're gonna start hearing more about him. I haven't.

1240
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: I have not heard any testing numbers for Rashid Walker yet,

1241
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: but just again, watch the testing numbers, Watch the position drills,

1242
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: watch the footwork, watch the balance, because remember the the

1243
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: the combine they have there in the position drills, they

1244
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: have the slide as they were left tackles. They have

1245
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: the slide as they were right tackles as well, to

1246
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: show that if they if they got that versatility, I

1247
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: think his movement skills are gonna be outstanding. More and

1248
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:35,919
Speaker 1: more people are gonna fall in love with him after

1249
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: the combine. All right, let's go into garden Center. Obviously,

1250
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 1: if a Quanu is gonna be a guard, he's number

1251
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: one and everyone's list at that spot, no question about it.

1252
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: But I do think there is some debate and watching

1253
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: the guys I get it Center Tyler Linde baumb or

1254
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:54,280
Speaker 1: guard Kenyan Green? Which guys off the ball off the board?

1255
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 1: Pardon me first? And Croc, is this more of a

1256
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: what you're prioritizing type of d with these two guys?

1257
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 1: How do you kind of go through that interior offensive

1258
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: one class. But I really like Kenyan Green, so it

1259
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: might be what you prioritize, and I really like prioritizing

1260
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: versatility no matter what position you're playing. And with Kenyan Green,

1261
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 1: I watched I watched three games, initially right and I'm

1262
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: looking at him. I'm like, Okay, he's a left tackle,

1263
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: so I'm watching them. Then I watched another game. I'm like, well,

1264
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: I don't see him. So I skipped over that game

1265
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: and went to another game and then come to find

1266
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: out I went back to it. No, he was just

1267
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: playing guard then, and then you hear about him, and

1268
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: then I put on another game that he's playing right tackle.

1269
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: So he's the guy that definitely has a bunch of versatility.

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Speaker 1: I think he moves well in short areas. I think

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Speaker 1: he able to explode off of the ball. I think

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Speaker 1: his footwork was really solid. He is someone I don't

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00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be that long guy. He's list at

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Speaker 1: like six four, he's probably gonna be h measuring in

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00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: that around six three that that's not gonna cut at

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00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: the NFL level play tackle. They're not gonna like him there.

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Speaker 1: But I think with just how athletic he is, and

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00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: in his ability to move in space, especially if it's

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00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: a and I like to do movement and stuff. A

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00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: lot of these teams are going towards kind of this

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00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: outside zone type running scheme. I think he can move

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00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: well at guard for a team like that, So he's

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00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: he's my number one guard. Now. Again, if I knew

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00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: was at Garden, that's gonna bump him down. But I

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00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: like him at least on my list right now at

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Speaker 1: number one. Tyler, Linda Bomb at two, Zion Johnson. I

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00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: know he's coming on as a late and then uh,

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00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: I gotta sailor out of Georgia as my fourth guy.

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00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: I don't have a yeah. I mean we're pretty much

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00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: the same, except that I got like w new number

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Speaker 1: one and I got Linda Bomb slightly ahead of Green.

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00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: I mean that they're very close on my board. I

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00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: just think that Linda Bomb is more better suited for

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00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: his zone blocking system. I Green does it okay, but

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00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: I think Linda Bomb does it better. Green obviously has

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00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: a power advantage over Linda Bombs, not even close. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he can knock those guys back off the line of

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00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 1: scrimmage and open the holes where Linda Bomb actually needs

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00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: help on the inside of times again. I said this

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00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: time and time again. Go back and watch the Big

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00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: Tent title game. Chris Hinton of Linda of the Michigan

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00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: was given Linda Bomb fits in the middle of the line.

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00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 1: The strength should come as he physically mature, gets into

1304
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: an NFL weight training program and just basically gets older.

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00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: But I like Linder Bomb's movement skills slightly more than

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00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: uh than Kenyan Green. Zion Johnson's my number four guy.

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00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: Jamir Slayer is my number five guys. Player who played

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00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: the left tackle at Georgia projects inside two sleepers. I

1309
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: gotta mention, you know you talked about Kenyan Green playing left,

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00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: starting left tackle and then moving inside, moving around. The

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00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: reason they moved him inside was because Texas A and

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00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: M had another guard who came from Rhode I know

1313
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: the offensive lineman who came from Rhode Island, whose name

1314
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: is Jimir Johnson, who had a sensational year at left tackle.

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00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: How this guy did not get a combined invite is

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00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: beyond me. He projects the guard because again, as Kroc

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00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: was saying, he's not really long. He goes about six

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00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 1: three and a half. But you're watches the fundamentals, you

1319
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,919
Speaker 1: see his strength at the point of attack. This guy

1320
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: is gonna be a steal in day three. One other sleeper.

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00:59:56,520 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 1: Everybody talks about Linder Bob Linderbomb. Linderbomba center Cameron Jorgons

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01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: of Nebraska, who, in my opinion, is the best zone

1323
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: zone blocking prospect in this guard You want to talk

1324
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: about an athletic guy who can get five, ten, even

1325
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: fifteen yards down the field, knock linebackers, not defensive backs

1326
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: from the action, plays with the nasty attitude. Not the

1327
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: strongest guy in the world. Again, like Linda, Bomb is

1328
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: not gonna get a lot of movement in the middle

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01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: of the field, although I'm told he's up around three

1330
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 1: hundred pounds getting ready for the combine. But Cameron Jorgan's

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01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: in my opinion, it's probably better value for a team

1332
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: that needs to center in the third round than Lindener

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01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: bomb is as a first round pick. Interesting, Tony, and

1334
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: I totally didn't give you a chance to give you

1335
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: or sleeper a tackle. And this is a deep one

1336
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: because it's a school that I've never heard of. Yes, yes,

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01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 1: well I hadn't heard Andrew Rupic from Culver Stockton. Now

1338
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: where is gold versus Locked and I thought California would Stockton,

1339
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: but it's actually in Missouri. Andrew Ruptics is six seven,

1340
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: three hundred fifty pounds. He's incredibly athletic. If you kind

1341
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: of look at the YouTube highlights, which I hate to watch,

1342
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: you'll see the guy throw a forty yard option pass

1343
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: on a dime we strike as he's rolling outside the pocket.

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01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: It wasn't like a trus sweep to him in the pocket.

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01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: He's rolling outside the pocket. Obviously just dominated. It dominates.

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01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: Everybody shows good movement skills. I went to the NFL

1347
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 1: P A game. His arms were a little bit shorter

1348
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: than people help, slightly under thirty three inches, so he

1349
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: may have to move into guard. But you want to

1350
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 1: talk about a seventh round pick who's a developmental prospect,

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01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: Andrew of Culver Stocking, which is somewhere in Missouri, is

1352
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: absolutely dominant. Guy who's a terrific developmental prospect. Is that

1353
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: D two? Is that FCS whatever in A I A

1354
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: or what's left of the n A A A I

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Speaker 1: A geez. Yeah, alright, guys, give me a feel before

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01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: we say goodbye. Depth of the offensive line class. Even

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01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 1: talk about him separately together if you like, is this

1358
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: is this a class where you know, end of day two,

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01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: round three you're gonna be able to find a starter,

1360
01:01:58,040 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 1: or if you want to start, you better get him

1361
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: in that you know, start middle around two type areas.

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01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: Tony has watched more of the players than I have,

1363
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: but it sounds like it is a decent depth type

1364
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: office line. It might depend on what your scheme is,

1365
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 1: and that can kind of limit what you can get later,

1366
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 1: you know, if you're looking for something very specific. I

1367
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: know the four Niners go more towards those kind of

1368
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: leaner type guys. You might run out of those guys

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01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: that can move b lean but still play strong. But

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01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: it sounds like a solid officers line class. I think

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01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: when you look at the tackle class, tremendous step, tremendous step,

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Speaker 1: different types of players, zone blockers, power gap blockers. Really

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01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: through the third, fourth and fifth round there's some decent

1374
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 1: depth at the guard spot. I mean, guys you can

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01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 1: get day two who can start the next level. The

1376
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 1: center position is basically two or three guys. It's it's

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01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 1: Linda Bomb at the top, Kerman Jorden's uh probably in

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01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: day two and the kids font though from Kentucky in

1379
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 1: the later rounds. Really full is off a clifted but

1380
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: there's only a few guys at the center position who

1381
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 1: are gonna be drafted. So great tackle class, solid bar class.

1382
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 1: Not a good center class, although people characterize as a

1383
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 1: good center class because you may have a center go

1384
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: in the first round of Tyler Lindebaum. But also Kenyan

1385
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: Green again, that guy I talked about all these different

1386
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 1: positions he played. They said in practice he was able

1387
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: to take snaps as center as well. So again, I

1388
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: really like the versatility of him. That's a guy obviously

1389
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 1: I'm really higher. Yeah, and Zion Johnson took center, took

1390
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 1: center and the New York Giants, the New York gianty

1391
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: might need him to play all positions at one time. Yeah, yeah,

1392
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: can we clone him the clone again for him? But

1393
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 1: I'll take it. Uh. Final thoughts guys here, next show

1394
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: will do the defense. Anything we miss Anything you want

1395
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 1: to add about this offensive class that you think fans

1396
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 1: should know about heading into the combine, Well, no, I

1397
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: mean it's a good class. What's gonna happen is this

1398
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: is there's no quarterbacks at the top of the draft,

1399
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: no running backs, you're not gonna have any knockout receivers.

1400
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: People are going to automatically write it off. But the

1401
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 1: fact is this, as we talked about great tight ends

1402
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 1: in round and day two, outstanding tackles around to some

1403
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 1: decent depth at the at the receiver position, good running

1404
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 1: backs in round two. So the only thing I'll say

1405
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 1: is the draft is more than the first round. They

1406
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 1: have seven rounds, right, got to look a little bit

1407
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: deeper here. Yeah, and I hear that a lot, as

1408
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 1: you know, covering the four nights. They don't have a

1409
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: first round pick. Everyone thinks that you have to get

1410
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:30,479
Speaker 1: this position with the thirty first overall pick, and I'm like, dude,

1411
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 1: you have an entire draft to make out. You know

1412
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 1: all the needs and all the things that you need,

1413
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 1: and I think you know a team like the Giants,

1414
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 1: you don't have to, you know, reach for an office

1415
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 1: alignment in the first round if you think, well, I

1416
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 1: know they have two first round picks, but you know,

1417
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 1: you can wait second round and you can trade back,

1418
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 1: do some different things. I think there's depth in the

1419
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: right spots, depend on what it is you're looking for. Yeah,

1420
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 1: it should be a lot of fun. We'll do the

1421
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 1: defense next week and the game guys. Make sure you

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01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:59,600
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01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: you're a Giants fan, you can find them on the

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01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,080
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Speaker 1: Croc and Tony, I'm Schmelk. We'll see you next week.

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Speaker 1: We'll do our top fives on defense. This is Draft season.