WEBVTT - Ep45 - Sam Rockwell / "Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri" 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:21.919 You're listening to playback a Variety podcast. I'm your host, 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:24.960 Variety Awards Editor Chris Tapley. We have one of my 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:28.680 favorite actors in the studio today. You've seen Sam Rockwell 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:32.080 in films like The Green Mile, Galaxy Quest, The Assassination 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:34.840 of Jesse James by the Coward, Robert Ford, and Moon. 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:39.159 This year, he stars in Martin McDonald's Three Billboards outside Ebbing, Missouri, 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:42.800 and he delivers perhaps his finest performance to date. He's 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:44.519 sitting right here. But before I bring him in, let 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:47.199 me also remind everyone stick around after our chat for 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:51.080 some shop talk on the upcoming Oscar season between myself 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:54.600 and our old friend Janelle Riley. Sam Rockwell, thanks for 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:57.360 coming on the show. Appreciate it again. You are one 0:00:57.400 --> 0:00:59.440 of my favorite actors. I'm not just shining because you're 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:02.960 sitting in front. Thanks man, than appreciated, And I'm gonna 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:06.119 just kind of back into this. We'll get to Three Billboards, 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:07.759 but I've got like just a list of stuff out. 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:10.120 Let's do it, man. Let's talk about how often do 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:14.160 you get asked about teenage mutant Ninja Turtles? Well more 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:17.640 than maybe then you think, um, but yeah, it's a 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:19.160 good one. I mean it's a it's a good one 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:23.440 in my It's a good piece of history, you know. Yeah, 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:25.120 it's funny. It's like I saw it when I was 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:26.920 a kid, obviously, and then later on I became a 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:28.920 fan of years. I'm like, holy crap, Sam rock Walls 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:31.160 in this movie, he plays like the uh would you 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:35.120 say the kind of I don't know, Like you're the 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:37.720 guy who's like the new recruits for the foot Clan 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:40.920 coming in. You're saying, hey, we can smoke cigarettes. It's 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:43.400 just like the head thug was that was And then 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:47.920 Skeet all Rich was my henchman. Yeah, and he was. 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:50.840 He was a local North Carolina boy. Yeah yeah, asking 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:52.520 me how to get an age of were in Wilmington's 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:56.240 now Atlanta is the new Wilming Totally. I'm from North Carolina. 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:58.320 Oh you are, okay, so you know the deal. Yeah, 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:00.400 it's like they get rid of all their incentives. Yeah, 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:03.720 everybody went away so used to be hopping. It used 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:07.040 to be hopping, you know. So that that's how I 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:09.239 was nineteen went there did it? I never heard it 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:11.440 went to the audition. I didn't know teenage mutant what 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:15.280 you know? And uh, but it was. It was cool man, 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:17.119 it was it was it was fun. It was fun 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:18.720 to do. And I met one of my good friends 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:23.280 on that. He played Donna's Hello, a guy named Leif Tilden, 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:25.720 and Josh Pie was one of the Turtles. I don't 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:28.080 know if you know the actor Josh Piece. He's he's great. 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:30.560 He was in Safe Man and he was one of 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:33.840 the turtles. Yeah, it's a day job for those guys. 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:37.680 It's a you know, again, interesting footnote in your career. Right, 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:40.320 did you do you revisit teenage Mutant nin Turtles? I 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:43.800 do not because I cringe because my voice is really 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:48.640 high for some reason. And that well you were nineteen. Yeah. Yeah, 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:50.519 another funny thing I had will him to Phoe in 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:53.399 that chair last week. Oh yeah, and yeah he's seen 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:56.960 like sleeper just so William. Yeah, Paul Straighter like to 0:02:56.960 --> 0:02:59.239 work with. He's awesome man. He well, we were joking. 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:02.200 I just saw it Um Defoe and we were talking 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:05.600 about the stute. This crazy stupid jacket I had on 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.399 Um that was really loud. It looked like it's ted 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:12.080 batteries in it, and it was like a Michael Jackson 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:14.160 kind of like just watched the scene again. Last night. Yeah, 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:17.359 and you know, Strader insisted I wear this jacket, which 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:20.560 completely upstaged me. But it was kind of great. It 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:22.480 kind of gave me the character. But I was I 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:24.040 was sort of self conscious about it. Way. I think 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:27.040 we were joking about that jacket. Yeah. Have you seen 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:30.760 his new film? By the way, first, Ethan's in it, right, 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:33.720 it heard its sort of a sequel to Taxi Drivers. 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:36.800 That's true. No, no, no, it's not. No, it's but 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:41.880 it's definitely like it's everything Paul Schrader does in his films, 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.400 like very potent in one movie. Basically it's like the 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:48.040 most potent Pulse Rader movie. Yeah, we've seen. It's really good. Loneliness. 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:51.480 Uh uh. I also wanted to kind of talk about 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:56.040 early on, Uh, when did you and Jon Favreau get 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:58.480 together first, because in the early nineties or something when 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:00.240 you guys are actors on the scene because you had 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:02.720 the small role and made which I love. Yeah, and 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:05.560 you've obviously worked on Iron Man two and potentially we're 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:08.920 going to be cast as iron Yeah. That's a good question. Actually, 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:12.120 that connection, very good question. Um, you know, there were 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:14.360 a couple of things that happened, is is well he 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:17.160 was in l A man. He was a West Coast guy. 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:19.480 Him and Vince made their bones in in l A. 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:22.200 I couldn't survive l A as A as a struggling actor, 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:24.400 so I had to go back to New York and 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:29.200 I as I was usually the other way around. Well, 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:32.200 some people, you know, I say that the actors, there's 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:34.720 two l as. There's l A when you're successful, which 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:36.920 is fabulous, and then there's l A when you're not, 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:39.480 and that's not a good l A. So New York 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:42.359 is a little easier when you're down and out. It 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:44.840 was back then. You know, now it's more expensive, so 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:46.800 but you could you could get by. I had a 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:49.279 really cheap sublet when I was studying acting and stuff. 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:53.600 But I met I met Vincent and John at A. 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:56.840 I saw I saw John somewhere and then he invited 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:59.120 me to this like running charades party. When I met 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:01.400 Vince and I I was a big Swingers fan, and 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:04.919 I kind of I sort of idolized Vince. I was 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:07.039 sort of like in awe of him, his sort of 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:10.120 charm and Favreau and I thought they were like just 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:14.400 kind of amazing, and so I was um. I was 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:18.279 very excited to be around those guys. And then you know, 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:20.080 he said, do you want to do this little cameo 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:22.320 and and made you could play this thug or you 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:24.479 could play the bust this bell hop, and I said, 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:27.080 well maybe the the bell hop and I have I 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:29.160 have more stuff with you guys, you know, and that 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:32.160 was more fun, and then we became friends. And then 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:35.960 down the line, my girlfriend Leslie Bib did Iron Man, 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:39.719 and so when they were doing press for that, um, 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:42.039 I remember we had a dinner in New York and 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:44.320 they didn't know. They were nervous. They didn't know the 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:46.560 thing was gonna be a huge hit, you know. So 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:48.640 we had this dinner and they were kind of nervous 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:51.200 before it came out, you know, and it was Downy 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:55.560 and Me and Leslie and Fab and then um and 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.760 then at one point he had called me him and 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:02.360 Peter Billingsley had called me like a couple of years 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:06.159 earlier about iron Man maybe auditioning for iron Man, and 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:08.240 then that sort of went away. I think down East 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:11.080 screen tested and he was like, you know, amazing, and 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:14.480 then he got but um so then cut too, like 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:16.880 we're if EV and I are doing g Force. This 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.200 is kind of a long explanation was we were doing 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:21.599 G Force and I said, you know, I was really 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:24.240 frustrated because it was hard to do the animation. I said, 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:26.680 can we get the actors in the room together because 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:29.880 I feel kind of stale here. And so finally they said, 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:32.520 all right, well fabs available, will bring them in, and 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:36.360 so John and I got to actually do a scene together. 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:39.000 We were the two guinea pigs and we could actually 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:43.040 get physical, and so the scene was immediately so much 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:46.120 better when we did it that way. And then coincidentally, 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:48.719 he had um marvel guy, I think it was Kevin 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:51.160 come down and say, Hi, says I want to talk 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:53.200 to you about something. You know, I'm debating this thing, 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:58.000 and Justin Thorow wrote it was very instrumental and getting 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:02.560 Fab to to sort of, uh consider me. And then 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:05.400 when Fave sort of grasped onto the idea we already 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:08.000 knew each other. Throw and I had a history we 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:12.240 do the theater together. Fav was like, yeah, let's let's 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:14.679 do this. We're thinking about maybe one villain or maybe 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:18.920 two villains, and so they came up with that fast 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:22.080 talking thing and Mickey Rourke being the kind of the 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:26.840 muscle which kind of became uh young Frankenstein in a way, 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:30.800 you know, Gene Wilder and Peter Boyle and I would 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:32.840 do all the fast talking and that's how that came 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:35.280 to be. Yeah, I'm just always curious what these connections are, 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:39.360 you know. Yeah, that's an interesting long history of and 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:41.720 I'm still friends with those guys. You know. I love 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:43.880 that scene, those couple of scenes and made I mean, 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:45.720 the character was so funny and just the way the 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:48.960 Vince reacts to him throwing the drink. That was an 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:51.960 improv day. That wasn't supposed to be in that scene, 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:54.680 and they they threw me in. I was just coming 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:57.440 to say hi, But that led to half is for family, 0:07:57.560 --> 0:07:59.320 and you know, it's it's a whole you know, because 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:03.080 we now we've been friends for you know, over a decade, 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:09.120 you know. Yeah, Pete, Peter and Vince and John. Yeah, awesome. Yeah. 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:12.240 I also wanted to talk about Heist, which I watched 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:14.640 again last night. Yeah. Man, that's a fun that's a 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:16.720 fun one. Yeah. That love that movie. I love David 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:21.120 Mammitt's dialogue is like an alien language, especially in that movie, 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:23.400 because it's like all of the like, I don't know 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:26.880 if that was real actual lingo amongst like Roberts, you know, 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:30.360 calling somebody a lame you know that I wouldn't be 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:35.280 surprised if it was, because, um, you know, Mamma does 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:38.000 his research and he's such a obviously a great writer. 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:42.720 But working with Delroy and and Ricky and Gene Hackman, 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:44.840 I mean that was just and Rebecca. You know, we 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:47.920 had a great little love scene, pretty to a love scene, 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:51.439 but you know, obviously Gene Hackman, I mean that was 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:54.200 pretty cool. That was that was very cool. I was 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:56.120 just gonna say, like the way the entire cast just 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:58.240 tears into that dialogue too, I mean, it must have 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:01.480 just been delicious. Seeing it was delicious. It was a 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:04.040 lot of fun, man it. Looking back on it, I 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:06.040 mean it's really a good job. You know. I just 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:09.199 got out of nowhere and I just met maham It 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:11.960 and I kind of was kind of cocky in the 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:14.560 meeting and he gave me the job. You know, I 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:17.559 just kind of pretended to be a badass. Yeah, just 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:19.960 all the line readings are so good, and like, uh, 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:22.000 you know, obviously the Vito gets a lot of the 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:24.600 great ones. Everybody loves the money. That's why they call 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:30.000 it money. That's why I forget about he's my uncle 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:33.480 in that they like dyed my hair black and I 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.360 had that black mustache. I embarrassed myself in front of 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:38.120 del Roy one time. I did. I did like an 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:40.320 impression of del Roy Lindo from Heist in front of 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:43.200 del Roy Lindo. Dude, that's one kind of awesome. That's 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:45.160 actually one of the most awesome things you were done. 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:47.880 I embarrassed myself in front of him too once. Uh, 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:49.480 not really, I mean I just kind of went up 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:52.640 to him and said, you know, I really think you 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:55.640 should have been nominated for cider House Rules. I was 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:59.720 at some SAG thing SAG Awards, um, I think for 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:01.560 Green a Mile and I said and he was like, ah, 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:05.199 you know, thanks man, but um you always feel vulnerable 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:07.240 when you do stuff like that, you know, You're like, yeah, 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:09.959 hey man, you know, yeah totally. I was just trying 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:11.719 to explain it, like I loved this line reading he 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:12.880 had in the movie, and then I gave him his 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:15.040 own line reading and I was like, and he looked 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:17.240 at you like you were from Venus or he said 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:20.880 something like that is that is the first time someone's 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:24.480 ever said that to me. Yeah, it was like, I'm sure, 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:28.959 I'm sure, sir. I mean it's Stephen Man dialogue and 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:31.079 it may look like I'm texting, but this is literally 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:35.800 where my questions. Yes, of course, Confessions of a Dangerous Mind. 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:38.400 I mean they had to have been, like, yeah, I 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:40.200 guess the turning point for you in some ways that 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:43.000 you had been leading a couple of things, but this 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:45.520 was like Clooney's I think it was his debut as 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:49.320 a director, and you played Chuck Barris, the Gong Show host, 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:55.760 potential CIA operative. Yes, and uh it was just you know, 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:59.200 Charlie Coffin's script. So just talk about working with Clooney 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.280 on that movie and kind of getting that I guess 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:03.920 vote of confidence that you could shoulder this whole movie 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:06.240 for him. Yeah, well, you're right. I mean I've done 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:07.960 a lot of I've done a lot of leads, but 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.880 the movies that not a lot of people saw necessarily 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:13.920 maybe Lawn Dog's Box someone like, but no, I've done 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:15.719 it a lot of some other leads and nobody saw, 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:19.280 so that was kind of practice for this. In fact, 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:22.640 there's a movie called Jerry and Tom which did a 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:25.800 lot of that transitional shooting, like Frankenheimer used to do, 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:28.920 like live television that Cluney did that sort of prepared 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:33.160 me for this, and theater obviously prepared me. But um, 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:36.360 you know, without Cluney and Soderberg, I wouldn't have gotten 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:41.080 that job. I mean, that was the generosity of those 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.520 two guys. You know. Cluney fought for me and so 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:46.719 did Soderberg. They both fought for me. I wouldn't have 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:49.839 gotten that job without them, no way. Was it a 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:53.320 uh I guess it was like a audition situation. It 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:57.680 was an old fashioned screen test with everything with film, 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:01.520 real film dollies and tracks. It was a real old 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:06.400 fashioned screen test. And yeah, and I didn't know there 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:11.000 was another actor being screen tested. But but um, yeah, 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:12.680 that was a trip. Man. That was I had like 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:16.200 a week to prepare really watch was it? Like? Yeah? 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:18.320 I say, what was it like getting into that guy's headspace? 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:19.920 And I'm just trying to figure out it was great. 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:22.719 I hung out with him a lot. I filmed him. 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:26.120 We hung out. He loved Less Paul and uh we 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:28.559 would listen to Less Paul and that's how I kind 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:32.160 of kind of got his movements, dancing movements. We hung 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:34.360 out a lot. You know. It was it was. It 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:37.480 was cool. I missed Chuck. I like Chuck. When did 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:41.839 he pass? Very charming guy? He passed recently? Yeah, it 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:44.160 seems like yeah, it was long ago, very recently, And 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:47.280 I think didn't Chuck Berry passed the same the two 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:50.040 Chucks around the same time. Maybe I could have that wrong. 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:54.000 I don't know. Yeah, anyway, another one, Uh, this one's 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:57.079 got an anniversary this year. Yeah, what's that assassination of 0:12:57.160 --> 0:13:03.079 Jesse James me that's ten ten years ago? Oh man, 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:06.720 that's crazy that I will say. I will lavish with 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:08.760 praise because I don't think a better film has been 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:12.800 released since that movie was released. I literally the best 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:15.600 movie of the last decade. Yes, and I just I 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:18.560 love you know. It's a really good film, isn't it. 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:21.480 I I almost didn't do that movie. You know, Andrew 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:24.920 Dominic is a very talented guy. You know, Chopper, this 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:29.959 is an amazing film. And uh yeah yeah, Pitt and Casey. 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:34.000 I mean it's an amazing We had some amazing people 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:37.480 in that in that cast. You know, Roger Deakins, Roger 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:42.200 crushing it, dude, crushing a natural lighting. Yeah, you know 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:44.880 it just this nice idea of doing like a Victorian Western. 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:47.240 I'm a huge fan of the genre. So just doing 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:50.520 a Western at the you know, in the last throes 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:54.200 of the era, and what what were those icons like 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:56.679 at that time? I just I love that film. I 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:58.800 love it too, you know. I buss where I became 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:01.480 friends with Jeremy Runner and we've found a song, good 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:05.760 Old Rebel from the Long Riders, which we kind of 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:09.679 stole and being extra Confederates and we renters a good 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:11.320 singer and we sang it in the in the film 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:14.280 for two seconds. Andrew wanted us to kind of improvise 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.720 and stuff. But yeah, I mean somebody great, you know, 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:19.520 Garrett Dill Hunt. It's it's just a great It's got 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:23.440 that Sam show like Sam Shepard man got arrest his 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:28.200 soul man. Yeah, it's got that real, you know, sparse 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:31.160 Terrence Malick feel to it. You know. What was the 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:33.440 experience of shooting a Western? Like I always a curious 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:35.120 about because they make a lot of them, you know, 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:37.800 so no they I've done three of them now and 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:40.480 and then I just played a cowboy. I had to 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:42.920 learn how to last so on on stage and that 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:47.880 was a Sam Shepherd play actually, and it's it's a 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:49.960 trip you know, you got out the horses. It's not easy. 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:52.160 It's it's really tough. You're out in the middle of 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:55.680 the desert and you know, people get hurt. It's crazy. 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:57.520 I mean, it's wild. I mean for everyone. I did 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:02.920 a western uh cowboys, you know we did um just 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:05.760 they want Jessica chests stain and it's it's you know, 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:09.280 it's not easy. Yeah, a lot of mud. Where did 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.040 you film the chest any one? By the way, that played? 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:14.760 Uh Toronto? Right, we did that. Where did we shoot that? 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:19.560 Santa fe of them out there? Now? Jesse James was 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:24.600 in Canada, right, Alberta, Yeah, Winnipeg, Um, all over the 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:27.280 Edmonton was it was a fun time. Yeah. Yeah, Well, 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:29.040 like I said, I just wanted to skip a quick 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:34.120 stone across the awesome. That's awesome. That's fine. That's awesome, dude. 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:37.600 Three billboards outside Ebbing, Missouri. It's the new film, Martin 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:42.320 McDonough's new film. If you loved Ambrusi and uh seven Psychopaths, 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:45.640 you'll love this one. I think this is his best film. Actually, yeah, 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:48.280 I think it's pretty pretty great. And as I was 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:52.440 telling you in the elevator, I just all the films 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:55.720 that are coming along. There's just there's a complexity thematically 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:58.560 in this film that I think is really potent. And 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:00.240 I don't know if it if it up to the 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:01.960 guys do not. It just seems like it kind of 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:06.520 does because there's these themes of forgiveness and reconciliation going on, 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:10.560 which is interesting. Interesting You've worked with him, Uh yeah 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:14.000 twice now, right, yeah, twice and then the play too, 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:17.240 So that's three times when you read a character that 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:19.520 Martin has written. What what is it about his work 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:21.480 on the page that grabs you that says, you know, 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:25.360 are they are they very detailed and defined? Or is 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:27.960 there a lot of room there to create? It's kind 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:30.920 of both. They're kind of very detailed and defined. The 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:34.239 dialogues all there, you know, dialoques amazing, like a Tarantino 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:37.200 script or a mam At script you know, uh Sam 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:41.320 Shepherd script. And but he also there's room to play, 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:44.200 you know, and room to interpret. And uh, it seems 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.960 like all of the characters I've played Mervin on in 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:51.680 The Behinding and Spokane and Billy and Psychos and then 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:55.280 Dixon and Three Billboards are all derivative of like Travis, 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:58.200 Spicle and Taxi driver or something for some reason, or 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:00.720 Eric Roberts in Star eight Years. You know, there's a 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:03.040 kind of talking about Paul Trader as a kind of 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:07.359 loneliness to all these guys. You know, just to set 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:11.520 the scene, you play a racist, you know, a law 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:14.800 enforcement officer in this little town in Missouri. Uh. Francis 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:18.480 McDorman plays a woman who is looking to get justice 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:21.399 for her murdered daughter and doesn't believe that the local 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:23.360 police have done enough, and so she buys these three 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:26.280 billboards to kind of shame them. And your journey with 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:28.640 her character is what's the heart of the film and 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:30.720 what kind of makes it so beautiful by the end. 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:35.119 So working with Francis, what was that like? Amazing? I 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:38.680 mean you feel like it's you want to you want 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:40.720 to raise to the you know, rise to the occasion, 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:44.080 you know, and be the frasier to her Ali, you know, 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:46.960 you want to like really get in. I mean she's incredible, 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:50.879 She's a force, you know. And Woody Harrelson and you 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:53.720 know it's just the cast is John Hawks, Peter Dinklage, 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:57.000 you know, Abby Corners to all these people. Yeah, Chokoe 0:17:57.160 --> 0:18:00.879 Vanik's great actor. Um who I did a player with 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:05.080 the place of the other the other deputy. Um, yeah, 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:08.040 just amazing. It's kind of cool that Martin has this 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:10.639 sort of troop of actors. He's slowly as something like 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:13.000 you and what he Abby were in Seven Psychos and 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:17.240 then uh, Colin Farrells and Seven Psychos and thens as well. Yeah, 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:20.960 we've got Clark Peters, Amanda Daryl, we got UM's it's 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:24.199 it's yeah, yeah man, it was in Seven Psychos. So 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:26.200 he's got he's got a little bit of an ensemble. Yeah, 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:28.359 there's a couple of directors out there that maintain that 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:30.680 kind of thing. What's that like for you? As part 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:33.719 of this ensemble that kind of gets back together with 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:36.080 this artist to make a movie. Everyone. Well, you know, 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:40.240 it's very fortunate to be a part of that, um, 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:45.240 that team. You know, I'm very lucky that I that 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:48.680 I sort of stumbled into Martin you know a long 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:51.920 time ago almost did this play Pillow man. I think 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:53.600 what he almost did it too. I think a couple 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:56.800 of people almost did it. But um, yeah, So I'm 0:18:56.840 --> 0:19:01.480 really fortunate between working with him on stage and working 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:04.199 with him on a film set, is there? Yeah? And 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:06.480 the obvious is there? You know how does he deal 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:09.200 with you differently? Well, he was pretty quiet when we 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:12.360 did the play because John Crowley was directing, who directed 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:16.399 Brooklyn and but when we did Psychos and the and 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:18.960 Three Billboards, he was you know, he's obviously very hands 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:22.280 on and and he but he's he lets you play. 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:25.119 I mean, he let me play a lot um may 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:27.040 because my characters are kind of crazy. I had that 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:30.040 experience with Frank Darribunt. I think he let me play 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:34.359 and he didn't necessarily let other actors play because my 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:37.000 character needed a little wiggle room, you know, a little 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:39.639 elbow room because I'm playing like a crazy person. So 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:43.959 you can't really like be like, okay, play a crazy person, 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:46.119 but let's keep it in the lines. But you know, 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:48.120 you gotta like, you know what I mean, you gotta 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:50.720 like have a little leeway when you play crazy people. 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:55.240 I don't think Dixon's necessarily crazy, but you know what 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:59.880 I mean, totally product of environment. Yeah, we'll talk about that. Yeah, 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:01.840 how did you go about preparing for a role like 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:05.560 that in terms of meeting people, meeting cops or anything. 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:08.359 I met a couple of cops, Yeah, I met um, 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:11.680 I met a couple of cops. I met one Um 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:14.879 Deemer in l a who what he was with. I 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:18.000 think Casey did it right along with him. And then 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:20.800 I met a couple of Missouri cops and had them 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:24.720 take my lines. My my dialect coach Liz Himilstein found 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:27.399 these cops in southern Missouri. We had we had to 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:31.000 have some conversations, like I emailed with Francis and Martin, 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:34.920 like where are we gonna where's this imaginary Missouri town 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:38.360 gonna be? Is it gonna be southern or northern? Because 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:40.040 there's a big difference in the way they talk, And 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:41.920 so we sort of agreed that it was generally would 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:44.480 be southern Missouri. And then I then I knew what 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:46.679 I had to find, and so it was cool to 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:49.600 go down there to southern Missouri. I did it right 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:53.880 along Um, this beautiful guy, and he introduced me all 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:58.720 these all these guys and you know, and so that 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:01.880 was really cool. That was really uh influenced a lot 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:04.720 about the characters. Do you feel a sort of pressure though? 0:21:04.760 --> 0:21:07.359 Whenever I mean this is this is a very complex character, 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:09.399 and obviously it's takes It takes place in a fictional 0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:12.439 Missouri town and the unrest out of Ferguson that is 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:15.879 obviously just playing on the fringes of this film. Absolutely, yeah, 0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:18.520 you know, does that provide a sense of pressure to 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:22.080 make sure that you're not painting a caricature? Absolutely? And 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:23.680 that's why I went down there, you know. I mean 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:28.040 Martin wrote this before Ferguson, but um, I did. I 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:30.680 did feel kind of obliged to find out the real 0:21:30.720 --> 0:21:32.840 story a little bit, and I asked those guys a 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:36.480 lot of questions, you know, and uh, you know, the 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:39.600 bottom line is I didn't see racism down there. I 0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:42.000 mean I didn't. I I saw a lot of stuff, 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:46.040 but I didn't. Um, but I obviously it exists. And 0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:49.919 and so you know my job. I didn't need to 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:51.720 go to Missouri to play this part. I mean, it 0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:54.480 just helped me personally. I wanted, I had the time 0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:57.000 and I wanted to do it. But you know, um, 0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:02.040 the Dixon's journey is important, I think to that topic, 0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:05.160 you know, and I think it does say something. I'm 0:22:05.160 --> 0:22:07.360 not sure what quite what it says, but that's what's 0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:10.200 so an enigmatic about the script. I think it doesn't 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:14.160 it doesn't even seem like it's actively trying to say 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:17.440 something to you, like it's trying to dictate something. It's 0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:20.240 it just the way that the themes and the characters 0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:22.639 and all the interplay comes together. It just leaves you 0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:25.479 with this sense. Yeah, and I don't even know how 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:27.760 you put a word to it, but yeah, you could. 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:29.440 You could put a bunch of labels. You could put 0:22:29.480 --> 0:22:33.520 you know, feminism and you know, um racism and anti ray. 0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:36.000 You can put a lot of labels these days, um, 0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:38.960 anti violence and you know. But it's just really at 0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:42.600 the end of the day, it's a really entertaining and potent, 0:22:43.440 --> 0:22:48.199 uh screenplay, you know in movie I think, Yeah, I 0:22:48.280 --> 0:22:50.399 just wanted to touch on a couple other things real quick. 0:22:50.960 --> 0:22:53.239 You are literally leaving here to I go do some 0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:58.200 costume stuff for your new Yeah, w Bush and Adam 0:22:58.240 --> 0:23:00.080 McKay's mom. I was just to tell your ride. So 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:02.920 I was hanging out with Christian Bale, who's yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:05.640 he got the eyebrows and I just saw him. Yeah 0:23:05.640 --> 0:23:09.119 he looks good man. What uh, what thoughts do you have? 0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:10.680 I mean you haven't started yet, but what thoughts do 0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:12.879 you have going into that where you're gonna play this character? 0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:19.320 You know, uh, just trying to trying to sort of well, 0:23:19.320 --> 0:23:22.160 it's a great script that Adam wrote, and just trying 0:23:22.160 --> 0:23:28.000 to pay respect to, uh the story and what he's 0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:30.960 trying to tell and and and I really I find 0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:35.639 in watching George Bush, George W. Bush constantly on and 0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:38.000 listening to him I for the last two months, I 0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:42.159 find him to be actually very charming guy. And you know, 0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:47.080 obviously nowadays, you know, he seems even more charming. But 0:23:47.280 --> 0:23:50.240 uh yeah, I mean I'm having a I'm having a 0:23:50.280 --> 0:23:53.120 good time doing the research. It's really fun. I sure, 0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:54.959 I assume you saw that thing. I don't even know 0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:59.760 where it was written. But after the inauguration speech, supposedly 0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:04.680 he over and said that was some weird hit, which 0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:09.000 was that with the poncho moment after the ponco Uh yeah, 0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:14.639 after after he his whole like, you know, basically should 0:24:14.640 --> 0:24:17.520 have had just tanks surrounding him or something. Bush was 0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:22.600 like that, that's funny. And uh, we mentioned Ethan you're 0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:26.120 working with on this fum blaze. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah 0:24:26.119 --> 0:24:28.399 I did. We did Stevie's on and link later and 0:24:28.440 --> 0:24:30.520 I did look like a little three day cameo. Was 0:24:30.560 --> 0:24:33.240 that like we were there very briefly. Was we were 0:24:33.280 --> 0:24:36.320 just there to kind of help support Ethan and bad 0:24:36.440 --> 0:24:40.000 Rouge and we had a good time. Um, I hear 0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:42.560 the movie is really good. And he got these two 0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:45.879 got a couple of real musicians, you know, Sexton and 0:24:45.880 --> 0:24:48.280 a couple of really good musicians playing the parts. And 0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:50.720 it's a cool story. And you when you do you 0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:53.200 know about the real guy the guys. Yeah, yeah, it's 0:24:53.240 --> 0:24:55.879 cool story. When I started to look into it, and 0:24:55.880 --> 0:24:58.600 he's got like an unknown playing him, right, Yeah, the 0:24:58.680 --> 0:25:03.080 guy's really good singer musician and he gets it. Man, 0:25:03.119 --> 0:25:05.760 those guys were pretty damn good. And Josh Hamilton's in it, 0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:08.560 and Ethan does some interesting stuff as a director director. Yeah, 0:25:08.680 --> 0:25:10.480 this is really a good one for him. I think 0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:13.160 he really I think he just found the right guy 0:25:13.640 --> 0:25:15.480 and then he was able to tell this story. If 0:25:15.560 --> 0:25:18.240 he hadn't found the right guy, couldn't have done it anything. Yeah. Yeah. 0:25:18.880 --> 0:25:20.719 And then something I stumbled across when I was just 0:25:20.760 --> 0:25:28.040 looking into your your CD history was indeed Private Detectives assistant. Yeah, 0:25:28.440 --> 0:25:30.919 gig you had. Yeah, that's a long time. What's the 0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:33.399 most interesting thing that happened on that we tail the 0:25:33.520 --> 0:25:37.400 chick who was having an affair and tried to videotapers 0:25:37.400 --> 0:25:41.879 and he was really sleazy. Where was that? Um that 0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:44.800 was upstate New York or something. I was studying acting. 0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:48.199 One of my fellow acting students got me into it. 0:25:48.520 --> 0:25:52.680 I but they I kept not getting paid and so 0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:54.679 I was like, all right, this isn't you know? It 0:25:54.760 --> 0:25:56.679 was kind of boring a lot of it. That was 0:25:56.720 --> 0:26:01.480 the most exciting thing that happened. Did you retain sleazy after? Yeah? 0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:03.639 But I mean maybe it helped your acting career and 0:26:05.200 --> 0:26:09.400 deserving behavior. And I wanted to close, but talking about 0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:12.720 Phil Hoffman Philip Moore. Hofman directed You Want to Play 0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:17.680 Last Days of Judas to Scariot and uh, huge loss obviously, 0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:22.280 But what was working with Phil Hoffman like? Well, you 0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:26.000 know he was really, um, he was pretty amazing. I 0:26:26.000 --> 0:26:30.400 mean I miss him, like I think almost every day. 0:26:30.440 --> 0:26:33.520 You know, he was really he was a great director. 0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:35.679 I'll tell you that, and anybody who worked on that 0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:37.199 play will tell you that. I mean, he was like 0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:41.840 he was like kind of like Bobby Knight meets Sidney Lamtent. 0:26:41.920 --> 0:26:44.120 I mean he was like he was like a wrestling 0:26:44.160 --> 0:26:48.159 coach and a very sensitive actor friendly director. He was 0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:51.280 really you know, he he he talked his talk, but 0:26:51.359 --> 0:26:53.800 he walked the walk and he demanded a lot of 0:26:53.840 --> 0:26:57.639 you and but he was very nurturing and I you know, 0:26:57.720 --> 0:26:59.400 and in the program when I did Full for Love, 0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:02.520 I dedicated at the Phil because every time I get 0:27:02.520 --> 0:27:04.399 on stage, I think about Phil and a lot of 0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:06.159 times when I get in front of a camera too. 0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:09.919 You know, Phil was the was you know, we were 0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:13.520 kind of like, you know, after it was you know, 0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:16.800 Billy Crude up and Jeffrey right and Lea. You know, 0:27:16.840 --> 0:27:22.560 it's like I think our generation, you know, Roland and Ruffalo. 0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:25.000 You know, we kind of go I mean I wouldn't know. 0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:26.439 Billy and I were kind of like, well, what do 0:27:26.520 --> 0:27:29.159 we What do we do now? You know, what do 0:27:29.200 --> 0:27:31.680 we do now? Who are we gonna? You know, it's 0:27:31.680 --> 0:27:35.240 like that documentary, like Larry Burton Magic Johnson documentary. You 0:27:35.240 --> 0:27:37.720 ever see that thirty for thirty And they kind of 0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:41.320 upped each other's game. There was this beautiful, healthy competition 0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:44.040 between them. And it was kind of like that with Phil. 0:27:44.119 --> 0:27:46.200 Like when I would see Phil do something, I'd be like, oh, 0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:48.760 ship man, I gotta I gotta step it up, you know, 0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:51.680 because Phil's bringing it, you know, And he didn't phone 0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:54.080 it in. He didn't want to phone it in. It 0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:56.560 didn't matter the project either. I mean something like Twister. 0:27:56.760 --> 0:27:59.280 He's like, yeah, I know he's on, he's all in, dude, 0:27:59.280 --> 0:28:01.600 he's always all in, you know, sent of a woman. 0:28:01.960 --> 0:28:03.840 But when you saw him on stage, man, I mean 0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:06.399 he did Willie Lohman or True West. I mean, you 0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:09.359 know John c Riley will tell you. I mean he 0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:13.080 and John's John's she Riley is no joke, you know, 0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:16.760 he's a he's a real deal and m but Phil 0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:19.040 was just he would not eight times a week, you know, 0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:20.919 on stage. He would not phone it in. You know, 0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:24.040 he would he would bring it and that takes a toll. Donya. Yeah, 0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:26.840 you know. The thing about that that really sucks is 0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:28.879 just when you lose someone in their prime, it's like, 0:28:28.920 --> 0:28:32.560 how many great Phil Hoffman performances have we not gotten? 0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:36.080 So it's just like it's, yeah, it's really sad. I 0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:37.960 sort of felt the same way about Gene Hackman. I 0:28:37.960 --> 0:28:40.040 mean when he retired, it's like that was that's over 0:28:40.080 --> 0:28:42.800 a decade ago, and it's like, yeah, he was ready. 0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:46.080 He was I mean, he was ready. He was tired. 0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:48.760 He was tired. I have to say, like dude, you've 0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:51.920 earned it. You can quit. But like, you know, it's 0:28:51.920 --> 0:28:55.080 just like, man, we could have got some more good stuff. 0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:57.080 Just no, he was he was. I remember he was 0:28:57.120 --> 0:29:02.280 considering the Wes Anderson thing, um, the tenemomb tenem bombs, 0:29:02.360 --> 0:29:05.280 and he it's like, I'm tired, and I'm like, dude, 0:29:05.640 --> 0:29:07.760 have you seen Rushmore? That's a damn good movie. You 0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:09.200 might want to check it out, you know. I mean, 0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:11.480 I'm not saying he did it because of me, but 0:29:11.880 --> 0:29:13.320 I think there's a lot of people who probably said 0:29:13.320 --> 0:29:15.600 to him, you need to see Rushmore. And he ended 0:29:15.680 --> 0:29:18.120 up doing the movie, you know, but um, and then 0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:21.760 that just finished him. Yeah, that was just then he 0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:23.920 did he did something with Owen Wilson to around that 0:29:23.960 --> 0:29:27.400 time with the there was a military the military thing. 0:29:27.720 --> 0:29:32.360 Oh yeah, some kind of like action lines. Yeah yeah, yeah. Yeah. 0:29:32.440 --> 0:29:34.600 He was just tired. He was working a lot. You know, 0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:37.120 he was tired. He was great and highest, He's great 0:29:37.120 --> 0:29:40.760 and higest man great hiest. Yeah. Well the movie is 0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:47.960 called Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri. It opens November. You 0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:50.640 should go see it. It's fantastic. I think it's Sam's 0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:55.760 best performance. High high five on the podcast. Thanks for 0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:58.560 coming on the show. Thanks and again everyone stick around 0:29:58.600 --> 0:30:00.840 after this for a dive into the your season with 0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:03.720 Janelle Riley. Will be right back after this now. Mildred Hayes, 0:30:03.800 --> 0:30:05.760 why didn't you put up in the billboards? My daughter 0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:08.640 Angela was murdered seven months ago. It seems to me 0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:11.200 the police department is too busy torturing black folks to 0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:16.520 solve actual crime. Dic. I'm in the middle of my 0:30:16.680 --> 0:30:21.040 goddamn Easter dinner. Sorry, I know, Chief, I think we've 0:30:21.040 --> 0:30:24.920 got kind of a problem. Son, Sun, be good. I 0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:27.840 do anything to catch your daughter's killer. I don't think 0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:30.640 those billboards is very fair. And it took him to 0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:32.360 get out here one and like a bitch. Will it 0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:34.479 be some other poor girls probably out there being butchered? 0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:38.440 Right now? We've had two official complaints about those billboards 0:30:38.440 --> 0:30:41.479 from who the lady with a funny eye, A lady 0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:44.400 with a funny fucking eye and a fat dnnis it's 0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:45.920 a lot of good friends that will it be in 0:30:45.960 --> 0:30:49.720 this town? To Ey you didn't have to drill a 0:30:49.800 --> 0:30:54.440 little hole in the dentist today, did you? Of course? Said, 0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:58.160 of course not. I'm sorry about angel but the town 0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:00.640 is dead set against these billboards, and it's through that 0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:08.000 can can how about your sweetheart? No, I didn't really go, hey, fuckhead, 0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:12.520 don't say what Dickson when she comes in calling you fuckhead. 0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:17.880 We keep a case in the public eye, the pair 0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:23.239 your chance are getting. It's all. You know, if you 0:31:23.280 --> 0:31:26.160 hadn't stopped coming to church, you'd have a little bit 0:31:26.200 --> 0:31:31.880 more understanding of people's feelings on this. Anger man just 0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:42.120 gets great anger in three two one, And as sad 0:31:42.160 --> 0:31:48.720 as the spectacle of these billboards might be, dis reporter 0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:51.120 for one hope this finally puts an end to the 0:31:51.200 --> 0:31:54.360 strange saga of the three billboards outside and put an 0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:56.440 end to shake your fucking retard. This is just a 0:31:56.520 --> 0:31:58.720 fucking start. Why don't you put that on your Good 0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:09.720 Morning Missouri fucking got broadcast? Bit. Alright, we're back. I'm 0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:16.720 here with the varieties. Tell me again, Awards and Features editor, Yes, Jelley. 0:32:17.160 --> 0:32:19.160 We we're gonna talk about the season, which we haven't 0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:21.800 done all year. It's exciting, it's it's I think it's 0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:24.920 better to space these out because you would agree, right, 0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:28.520 we kind of start everything wants to hear me talking 0:32:28.840 --> 0:32:33.960 every day. Well, that goes with the saying for our purposes, no, So, 0:32:34.280 --> 0:32:37.360 you know, diving into the season. We've got our awards 0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:41.160 launch issue this week with Kate Winslet on the cover 0:32:41.880 --> 0:32:45.320 for What Allen's Do film Wonder Wheel. And it's a 0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:47.800 weird year and I feel like, y we you say this, 0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:50.840 you know a lot, but it really computes this time. 0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:53.480 I mean even you know, just coming out of the award, 0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:57.280 the festival season, the early fall festival season, there's no 0:32:57.400 --> 0:32:59.640 front runner. Certainly there's not even it doesn't even seem 0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:02.040 like it's this movie versus that movie versus that movie. 0:33:02.200 --> 0:33:04.280 Like last year we had the Manchester moon Light La 0:33:04.320 --> 0:33:06.120 La Land thing. We don't even really have that. I 0:33:06.160 --> 0:33:09.280 think we have. I think everyone agrees. Dun Kirk is 0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:14.840 probably the most muscular contender. I think movies like Darkest 0:33:14.920 --> 0:33:19.280 Hour are pretty strong. Really yeah, yeah, because just it's 0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:23.200 it's meticulously crafted and it's just gonna could be old 0:33:23.200 --> 0:33:24.960 school thinking. By the way, this gets into my old 0:33:25.040 --> 0:33:29.280 my column this week about of this academy has joined 0:33:29.960 --> 0:33:33.760 in the last two years, that members, assuming they all 0:33:33.760 --> 0:33:39.680 accepted their invitations, accept thank you. I don't know. I 0:33:39.680 --> 0:33:42.880 don't think anyone ever says no. But you can bank 0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:47.080 on about four members and that's that's dressed saying. But 0:33:47.080 --> 0:33:50.840 they're more of like a younger generation and when very internationalized, 0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:53.400 like there's just they make a big show of the 0:33:53.440 --> 0:33:56.680 fact that I think fifty seven countries. They invited people 0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:58.760 from fifty seven countries. So you know, this is why 0:33:58.800 --> 0:34:02.240 I think movies like Three Billboards and Florida Project could 0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:04.000 I don't want to say surprise, because I think they're 0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:05.400 both in the race, but I could see one of 0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:08.759 those winning. Yeah, I mean, and then movies like get 0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:11.040 Out by the way, they could come back, and and 0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:13.040 all these movies from earlier in the year get Out 0:34:13.040 --> 0:34:16.520 big sick Um. I know I mentioned Logan and Dunkirk 0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:19.120 came out earlier. We're really seen like people are going 0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:20.680 to have to have longer memories than they're used to. 0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:23.279 And the other thing that drives me crazy as a 0:34:23.280 --> 0:34:27.120 columnist is I don't see any trends hard. I need 0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:29.319 to find an example of three films that add up 0:34:29.360 --> 0:34:32.120 to something that it's really hard even that it's it's 0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:35.480 it's but let's see, we've got Shape of Water won 0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:39.200 the Venice prizemas new film. I'm not as hot on 0:34:39.239 --> 0:34:43.359 it as everyone else, but his tourism certainly shines through, 0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:46.839 and there are diehearted devotees of that film. I think 0:34:46.840 --> 0:34:49.600 it's his best work. So I also think Sally Hawkins 0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:53.720 stands out because she doesn't speak. You know, it sounds odd, 0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:56.680 but there's so many great women vuying for Best Actress 0:34:56.719 --> 0:34:58.440 this year. In a way, it's sort of you know, 0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:01.759 puts their up there as being somewhat different. You know, 0:35:01.760 --> 0:35:05.200 all those other women talk too much. Come on, it's 0:35:05.239 --> 0:35:08.319 it's yeah that I guess that's one story. Is the 0:35:08.360 --> 0:35:12.000 Best Actress category is nuts. It is nuts. So many 0:35:12.000 --> 0:35:16.680 great performances, Frances McDormand and awards. You know, she doesn't 0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:19.560 do much press, but she's going to get in regardless. 0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:22.080 I think I love Sir Sharonin and Lady Bird. I 0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:24.600 love that movie, so I love LADYE. Ladybird is another 0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:27.920 movie that I feel like with a younger voting audience, 0:35:28.040 --> 0:35:31.880 could you know, actually win some big prizes. Um and 0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:34.319 you know, Greta did such a great job. But that 0:35:34.400 --> 0:35:38.600 she's directed before as a co director. But there's people 0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:42.759 that think that that movie is not a I mean, 0:35:42.760 --> 0:35:44.680 obviously it's not a short thing. Best Picture on me 0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:47.520 A few things are, but I feel like stronger about 0:35:47.560 --> 0:35:49.920 it than other people. People just miss it as slight, 0:35:50.360 --> 0:35:53.000 which is really deceptive. It is not slight at all. 0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:55.839 And Greta Gerwig talks a lot about how the story 0:35:55.920 --> 0:35:59.200 is not autobiographical. Yes, she did grow up in Sacramento, etcetera, etcetera. 0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:02.160 I gotta tell that movie is autobiographical to me. That 0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:06.640 is my story too. I mean there's something about the 0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:08.440 time period too. I think it takes place what he 0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:11.239 or something. Oh, I thought it was nineties, but I 0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:13.160 could be wrong. Maybe again, this is me making it. 0:36:13.719 --> 0:36:17.040 I graduated high school, so I think it takes place 0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:18.600 a little bit after that. And it just I saw 0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:20.759 a lot of familiar stuff in it. I mean the 0:36:20.760 --> 0:36:23.840 Timothy shallow Make character and that he's fantastic. I'm like, 0:36:23.840 --> 0:36:26.160 I know that guy. I've seen that guy. Timothy Schallom. 0:36:26.440 --> 0:36:28.440 Call Me by Your Name Yes is another movie that 0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:30.640 everybody seems very very high on, one of the most 0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:33.880 critically claimed films of the year. Um, he's fantastic. In 0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:37.720 that he's fantastic, Armie Hammer is fantastic. Michael Schulberg Shallow 0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:40.160 Me just there's something about the way he inhabits his 0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:44.239 space as an actor that there's like, I guess there's 0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:45.640 a confidence that I don't know what it is, but 0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:48.960 there's just something about how he carries himself physically as 0:36:49.000 --> 0:36:51.360 a performer that I find really keptain How old is he? 0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:54.799 Because I think he's a lot for a nomination. I do. 0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:58.160 I do think he's like early twenties. I think he 0:36:58.880 --> 0:37:02.040 Oldman are are pretty much our locks. And I know, um, 0:37:02.400 --> 0:37:04.400 isn't it a race to lose to Gary Oldman at 0:37:04.400 --> 0:37:07.600 this point? Well, you know, the Phantom Thread trailer dropped 0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:09.960 today and a lot of people are like Gary Oldman 0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:12.120 is sweating right now because you know, Daniel day Lewis 0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:14.880 is in a movie. But yeah, I'm a little skeptical 0:37:14.880 --> 0:37:18.920 to Daniel Lewis fourth Oscar. Yeah, I don't. I don't 0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:22.680 think so. But the last time, not the last wow, 0:37:23.000 --> 0:37:25.360 years ago, when Gary Oldman was kind of campaigning for 0:37:25.360 --> 0:37:29.359 the contender, it's sort of got mucked up. Yeah, yeah, 0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:33.200 there's that. There's there's the idea of will his personal 0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:37.040 politics becoming any kind of an issue? I guess, uh, 0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:39.839 you know, yeah, that whole situation is a whole other thing. 0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:43.480 But again, there again, you know, the Academy is shifted considerably, 0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:45.360 and it was a long time ago. That was a 0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:47.440 long time ago. And plus, as long as you're not 0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:51.200 a Trump Republican, I think you're exactly exactly so funny, 0:37:51.200 --> 0:37:53.160 Like you've made Gary Oldman in person right right. He 0:37:53.200 --> 0:37:56.840 seems like such a sweet, easy going guy. The funniest story. 0:37:57.000 --> 0:37:59.600 I interviewed him for Tinker Taylor. I went to his 0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:01.480 hotel room. It was like, you know, a junket thing 0:38:01.600 --> 0:38:04.040 or something. It was like eighty five degrees in the 0:38:04.120 --> 0:38:07.480 room and I was like kind of kind of toasting him, 0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:09.279 and He's like, yeah, I like to keep it warm. 0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:12.200 I felt like I was in Dracula's castle, like I'll 0:38:12.200 --> 0:38:14.440 expected there to be like it's a blazing fire behind him. 0:38:14.480 --> 0:38:17.240 But yeah, he's the best, and he's amazing in that movie. 0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:21.440 He he's a beast. He's fantastic. And I don't think 0:38:21.520 --> 0:38:24.080 it's unwarranted either. It's you know, someone some might say 0:38:24.160 --> 0:38:27.160 it's chewing the scenery, but he's playing Winston Churchill. Churchill. 0:38:27.600 --> 0:38:29.200 By the way, if there are any actors out there 0:38:29.200 --> 0:38:32.120 who want to win a Tony, do play Winston Churchill 0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:36.160 before the deadline, because Winston Churchills this year. It's going 0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:38.280 to win the Oscar next year, So get that Tony 0:38:38.320 --> 0:38:41.080 in there. You know, Gary Oldman? Um, no one had 0:38:41.120 --> 0:38:43.400 ever told him that he was referenced on The Simpsons 0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:46.120 when Homer says, who should play me in a movie? 0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:48.480 And Bart says, I don't know Dan Ackroyd, and Homer 0:38:48.480 --> 0:38:51.880 starts choking him and says, too obvious, should be Gary Oldman. 0:38:52.440 --> 0:38:54.320 And I told him that, like I guess during Tinker 0:38:54.320 --> 0:38:56.440 Taylor also, and he was like so tickled, And I 0:38:56.480 --> 0:38:58.960 was like, why has no one told you? This is he? 0:38:59.000 --> 0:39:04.080 As Simpson's fans somehow apparently not because not enough. Um. 0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:06.680 Looking at the other actress contenders, there's a Net Benning 0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:10.680 with another shot on goal. You think that's happening? I think, 0:39:11.520 --> 0:39:13.680 you know, I haven't seen the movie. I just haven't 0:39:13.719 --> 0:39:18.080 heard any buzz on her. She's good, she's good, and 0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:21.880 they picked up they picked up the film specifically to 0:39:21.920 --> 0:39:24.719 get her. I really I haven't seen it yet. I mean, 0:39:24.719 --> 0:39:27.560 she's playing Gloria Graham, right, Yeah, Jamie Bell is great 0:39:27.560 --> 0:39:30.080 in the movie. Jamie Bell is really ungraded in that. Yeah, 0:39:30.160 --> 0:39:35.279 Margot Robbie and Story this year. Uh, she you know, 0:39:35.280 --> 0:39:36.880 I guess there's the de lamb of it all. But 0:39:36.920 --> 0:39:40.200 she's just it's a fascinating character to play. I have 0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:42.399 some problems with the movie myself. I think it kind 0:39:42.400 --> 0:39:44.759 of makes but she's amazing, don't you think. I think 0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:47.440 Alison Janny is probably the front runner for Supporting Actress 0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:50.160 for that film. Do you think so? I do? I 0:39:50.200 --> 0:39:52.480 do for lack of better contenders, because I mean, she's 0:39:52.520 --> 0:39:55.160 not fantastic in the movie, but it's just like, but 0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:57.120 I mean, who who is in that Cates strikes me 0:39:57.160 --> 0:39:59.719 as a weird winner? Really? Yeah, yeah, I mean I 0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:02.840 could see that, but you know, she is Alison Janny. 0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:05.719 Also like, there are two other fun moms in that 0:40:05.760 --> 0:40:08.440 category as Laurie Metcalf and Ladybird and Holly Hunter and 0:40:08.480 --> 0:40:11.000 The Big Six, both of whom I love. They're both great. Yeah, 0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:14.520 you know, Big Sick is probably my favorite movie of 0:40:14.560 --> 0:40:16.200 the year. I'm a huge, huge fan of it, so 0:40:16.239 --> 0:40:18.400 I would love to see it could nominated across the board. 0:40:18.760 --> 0:40:20.719 I'm a little bummed there isn't more buzz on Ray 0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:24.200 Vermonto for that movie. I think he's fantastic. Of course, 0:40:24.280 --> 0:40:27.879 gump joke is like, gives me life. You know I'm 0:40:27.880 --> 0:40:32.760 talking about it. Oh yeah, Uh, let's see best actor, 0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:37.320 you know, uncharacteristically thin. Uh, there's Jake Jillen hat is 0:40:37.360 --> 0:40:40.920 fantastic and strong good yeah, and and one of his 0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:43.600 best performances and really saying a lot honestly, it is 0:40:43.880 --> 0:40:46.920 especially lately He's The way that movie was shot is 0:40:46.960 --> 0:40:48.839 really intriguing to me too. I just think it's got 0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:52.520 interesting visual ideas for a movie that's kind of familiar 0:40:52.560 --> 0:40:55.400 in some ways their story. It's interesting. People who haven't 0:40:55.400 --> 0:40:57.920 seen it aren't really aware that there's this whole I 0:40:57.920 --> 0:41:01.080 don't want even want to say, subplot plot about you know, 0:41:01.160 --> 0:41:03.920 dealing with the price of fame and being shoved into 0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:05.600 the spotlight. And when I tell them that, they get 0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:08.120 a lot more interested in it because they think it's just, 0:41:08.239 --> 0:41:10.040 you know, they think it's going to be one thing, 0:41:10.080 --> 0:41:12.399 which is good, but I'm like, it's so much more. 0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:16.600 And he is, he is so fantastic. Chemistry with her 0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:20.440 and she's fantastic, but like the Richard treating treating that 0:41:20.520 --> 0:41:24.080 relationship in a different kind of way that the seemingly 0:41:24.120 --> 0:41:26.600 familiar relationship we've seen in movies before, a different ways. 0:41:26.760 --> 0:41:30.440 Another interesting mother in the Supporting Actress category Miranda Richardson, 0:41:31.440 --> 0:41:33.800 do you think she's a contender. I would like to, 0:41:33.920 --> 0:41:36.720 but she needed a couple more Yeah, yeah, I haven't. 0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:39.200 I was hoping to hear other people talking about her 0:41:39.200 --> 0:41:43.040 as well, and I haven't. I would just be happy 0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:44.719 for Jake to get nominated, because what does the man 0:41:44.800 --> 0:41:47.400 have to do at this point to get another nomination. 0:41:47.880 --> 0:41:50.040 I mean, Nightcrawler was one of the best performances I've 0:41:50.040 --> 0:41:51.680 seen ten years. I don't know, I STI don't know 0:41:51.760 --> 0:41:55.239 what happened there either. Christian Bale has a performances. You 0:41:55.239 --> 0:41:59.640 see Hostiles, He's really good and he always is. He 0:41:59.719 --> 0:42:01.960 learned shy in and you know, all all the things. 0:42:02.000 --> 0:42:04.680 They're definitely coming out this year. Okay, Yeah, they found 0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:07.759 they found a distributor, the Byron Allen's company. They had 0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:10.759 a it was it was like between them and Netflix, 0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:13.879 and the theatrical of it all was important, of course. 0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:15.480 I mean, like, just based on what I heard, you 0:42:15.520 --> 0:42:18.880 want to see that, like to see sprawling Western on 0:42:18.920 --> 0:42:21.680 a big screen and Christians great, Rosamond Pike's really good. 0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:23.960 She's yeah, she's I've heard great things about both of them, 0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:26.239 and that's that's going to be uncharted territory in terms 0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:28.880 of a campaign too, because it's not like Byron Allen's 0:42:28.960 --> 0:42:30.759 company came in and all their people are campaigns, but 0:42:30.840 --> 0:42:34.600 they had a campaign uh structure and place, and they're 0:42:34.600 --> 0:42:36.319 allowing them to just kind of put together their own 0:42:36.320 --> 0:42:38.279 team and keep going forward. So it's kind of like 0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:41.600 we're distributing the movie. But you deal with that, and 0:42:41.640 --> 0:42:44.440 that's it's going to be something interesting to watch on fold. 0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:51.400 Denzel Washington Roman j israel Esquires the best title in 0:42:51.400 --> 0:42:55.680 the world, but it's Dan Gilroy the I like it. 0:42:55.680 --> 0:42:58.960 It didn't do great in Toronto. They apparently are recutting it. 0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:02.160 I don't really that's so interesting because you know, um, 0:43:02.280 --> 0:43:04.040 it didn't seem like there was a great response for 0:43:04.160 --> 0:43:08.080 some movies that other festivals responded really strongly too. What 0:43:08.080 --> 0:43:10.400 do you mean, well, like Downsizing, didn't you go to 0:43:10.520 --> 0:43:15.279 Venice and get fantastic and Venice and then tell you right, 0:43:15.320 --> 0:43:18.239 people are like and then by the time it got 0:43:18.280 --> 0:43:20.279 to Toronto, which they had not even planned to go 0:43:20.320 --> 0:43:25.120 to originally, Yeah, the reviews started just kind of sloping down. 0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:27.840 I really like that movie. I did. I liked it 0:43:27.880 --> 0:43:30.000 a lot. What did you think of the hoo it all. 0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:33.080 I thought she was fantastic. I think it's a problematic role, 0:43:33.560 --> 0:43:36.279 but this is probably there's probably too much to go 0:43:36.400 --> 0:43:40.920 into here, unleuch, you have half an hour. But it's interesting. 0:43:41.000 --> 0:43:42.759 I heard someone say she's both the best and the 0:43:42.800 --> 0:43:45.200 worst thing about the movie, Like, you know, they have 0:43:45.280 --> 0:43:47.760 problems with the representation of the character, but they're also 0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:52.680 glad you know she's being represented and what as an actress, 0:43:52.719 --> 0:43:55.719 she's fantastic, She's I mean I loved there in the movie. Yeah, 0:43:55.719 --> 0:43:58.160 me too. I think she can't You can't. You know, 0:43:58.480 --> 0:44:00.160 if she was a writer on the movie, maybe maybe 0:44:00.160 --> 0:44:01.920 you'd feel differently about all of it. But it just 0:44:02.160 --> 0:44:04.759 you can't get it out of your head that you know, 0:44:04.800 --> 0:44:06.719 a white guy wrote this role, and I think, you know, 0:44:07.000 --> 0:44:09.640 in faience it was two white guys. I think pieces 0:44:09.680 --> 0:44:13.480 are on their way. I think, oh boy, prepare yourself. 0:44:14.280 --> 0:44:15.799 What else do we want to look at a half 0:44:15.880 --> 0:44:18.160 Asian woman. I thought she was fantastic. There we go. 0:44:20.040 --> 0:44:24.320 The demographic is spoken, the demographic. Let's talk about get out. Actually, 0:44:24.719 --> 0:44:29.920 it just led the Gotham Awards nomination, which was I 0:44:29.960 --> 0:44:32.520 don't think I was even thinking about it. Being in 0:44:32.560 --> 0:44:34.719 the mix. People have been talking about it, but I 0:44:34.760 --> 0:44:37.040 didn't know how real it was. Well, I mean for 0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:40.000 that specifically, because it's like I wouldn't have expected those 0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:42.360 committees to go, oh, get out, you know, you'd expect 0:44:42.440 --> 0:44:44.759 good time. But you know, so that was kind of cool. 0:44:44.960 --> 0:44:47.640 And the movie made it. It's it's like Universal has 0:44:48.680 --> 0:44:52.160 it ted up and they've got a critically acclaimed movie probably, 0:44:52.160 --> 0:44:58.480 I mean arguably the most critically aclaim with reviews, made 0:44:58.480 --> 0:45:00.560 a ton of money and huge box off the story. 0:45:00.640 --> 0:45:04.960 My mother saw it. She didn't really understand it, but 0:45:06.120 --> 0:45:08.680 she admired it. You need to watch it again actually, 0:45:08.680 --> 0:45:11.040 because I loved it. And you know, we had Jordan 0:45:11.120 --> 0:45:14.080 on the show back when it came out. And and 0:45:14.120 --> 0:45:15.920 by the way, he is a good He is his 0:45:15.960 --> 0:45:19.000 own best advocate. He's out there, you know, at festivals 0:45:19.040 --> 0:45:22.560 and screenings and talking and yeah, that will go a 0:45:22.600 --> 0:45:25.839 long way. So you know, I think there's a shot. 0:45:25.840 --> 0:45:29.840 I mean, I still my instinct is best picture feels hard. 0:45:30.160 --> 0:45:32.480 What about screenplay? Definitely? Yeah, I think it's in for 0:45:32.520 --> 0:45:36.719 a screenplay. And you know, I would love to see 0:45:36.760 --> 0:45:41.120 Katherine Keener. Oh I know, and I'm sorry, um, the actress. 0:45:41.440 --> 0:45:44.239 The other supporting william You know the Betty is her? 0:45:44.440 --> 0:45:48.000 Is her name? Betty? I'm so sorry, Betty Gabriel, Betty Gabriel, 0:45:48.320 --> 0:45:52.000 she's great to did I, who's the girl from Girls? 0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:56.719 Alison Williams. Williams is Okay. That looked weird in my 0:45:56.760 --> 0:46:00.040 head when I was picturing it was like, that's sound. No, 0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:03.480 it sounds, but that's awesome. All three of them are great. Um, 0:46:03.520 --> 0:46:06.080 but Kathy Keener feels like the kind that could really 0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:11.160 sure beloved character actors. Hey another mom villain spoiler alert. 0:46:11.200 --> 0:46:12.879 I think there's two people haven't seen the movie. Well 0:46:12.920 --> 0:46:15.839 you're why are you listening to this podcast? What did 0:46:15.840 --> 0:46:18.600 you think about all the sexes? I really liked it. 0:46:19.040 --> 0:46:21.080 People had kind of undersold it to me as saying, oh, 0:46:21.080 --> 0:46:23.759 it's entertaining, but it really moved me. I thought the 0:46:23.760 --> 0:46:26.760 performances were fantastic. It went to places I didn't expect. 0:46:26.960 --> 0:46:29.879 I am a little surprised, like I think people are 0:46:29.880 --> 0:46:32.560 talking about it, but maybe we just take you know, 0:46:33.160 --> 0:46:35.359 good storytelling for granted. I kind of feel like going 0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:37.480 to bed for that one this year because because I 0:46:37.840 --> 0:46:41.880 saw it and tell your ride, uh I it was 0:46:41.920 --> 0:46:46.839 more emotional than I anticipated. It was the visual storytelling, 0:46:47.040 --> 0:46:49.960 like the way it was shot. Oscar winning La La 0:46:50.120 --> 0:46:54.359 and DP Lena Sangrin shot this as well. Uh, once 0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:57.320 She's falling in love with the character played by Andrea Riseboro. 0:46:57.480 --> 0:47:00.120 Just all of that was handled so perfectly. And I 0:47:00.120 --> 0:47:03.680 thought Steve Carrell was just like used properly in doses, 0:47:03.840 --> 0:47:06.319 you know what I mean. Like, so, I really liked 0:47:06.360 --> 0:47:09.799 that movie, and it's it seemed like the reviews were well, 0:47:10.000 --> 0:47:11.759 like in the eighties or something. I don't know. Yeah, 0:47:11.840 --> 0:47:15.160 I don't think anyone disliked it, but I thought people 0:47:15.160 --> 0:47:17.439 would be more passionate or I feel like people sort 0:47:17.480 --> 0:47:19.279 of under soul. I felt that way about a few 0:47:19.280 --> 0:47:23.600 movies this year, though, as um Wonderstruck. I loved Wonderstruck. 0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:27.880 Yeah you didn't like I was so charmed by it. 0:47:28.200 --> 0:47:31.440 The score though, Yeah, I mean, can carterber Will finally win? 0:47:32.200 --> 0:47:34.640 Has he been nominated carterber Well, yeah, I thought he'd 0:47:34.640 --> 0:47:38.120 been nominated for all the Cohen Brothers movies. Okay, so 0:47:38.200 --> 0:47:41.279 we'll check that. I think maybe he has one nomination one. Oh, 0:47:41.320 --> 0:47:44.400 that's that's and I think it might have been. Actually, 0:47:44.400 --> 0:47:45.799 I don't even think it was true, GrITT. I think 0:47:45.800 --> 0:47:50.319 his stuff was rendered. Oh it was last year, two 0:47:50.360 --> 0:47:54.120 years ago. Sorry for Carol obviously. Um, which was wonderful. 0:47:54.560 --> 0:47:56.239 Part of the issue with Battle of the Sexes is 0:47:56.280 --> 0:47:58.840 that it's coming from Fox Searchlight, which has two hardcore 0:47:58.840 --> 0:48:03.960 contenders with Shape of Water and Three. Although I don't 0:48:04.000 --> 0:48:06.279 feel like they've given it short shrift, No, I mean 0:48:06.280 --> 0:48:08.640 they I guess they put it out where they thought 0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:12.279 it had the best chance of connecting with the box 0:48:12.320 --> 0:48:16.760 office was not great. It's ten million or something. Really, 0:48:16.800 --> 0:48:21.759 that's really disappointing. And I think Three Billboards opens early November. Yeah. Yeah, 0:48:21.880 --> 0:48:23.319 they see that as a movie that I felt like 0:48:23.360 --> 0:48:25.399 I loved so much. I felt like it was made 0:48:25.440 --> 0:48:27.399 for me, but I didn't know if other people would 0:48:27.400 --> 0:48:31.560 like it. And I'm not a huge fan of Martin mcdid, 0:48:32.760 --> 0:48:36.000 but this one kind of blew me away. We have, 0:48:36.080 --> 0:48:38.959 you know, Sam Rockwell is the guests, the interview guests, 0:48:39.520 --> 0:48:42.000 the personer him or Willem Dafoe. I'm thinking, yeah, yeah, 0:48:42.000 --> 0:48:44.960 the two of them are at the top. Um. It 0:48:45.200 --> 0:48:49.239 just that arc that he has to play. It's like 0:48:49.520 --> 0:48:53.919 rare and he's never really gotten a chance to because 0:48:53.960 --> 0:48:55.600 he should have been nominated for Moon. I thought he 0:48:55.600 --> 0:48:58.200 would definitely be nominated for Conviction, Like it came up 0:48:58.200 --> 0:49:00.680 in my time hop from seven years ago where I 0:49:00.719 --> 0:49:03.880 was like sure things, say Rockwell, this one just plays 0:49:03.880 --> 0:49:06.520 into all of his strength. I mean, he can be 0:49:06.880 --> 0:49:09.759 big and he goes small and scenes and it's just 0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:12.759 it's really cool. Can I actually promote that I will 0:49:12.760 --> 0:49:15.080 be doing a Q and A with Variety and a 0:49:15.239 --> 0:49:18.520 f I on November fourteenth, with Sam Rockwell and Martin 0:49:18.600 --> 0:49:21.319 mcconnaugh talking about their collaboration over the years. Come on out, 0:49:21.400 --> 0:49:25.520 Los Angeles people, please, Um gosh, there's so many other 0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:28.200 things to touch on, but oh, I just thought of 0:49:28.239 --> 0:49:31.200 a funny kind of pun. We're talking about tough mothers 0:49:31.239 --> 0:49:34.480 and the supporting actress category. What about Melissa Leo? I 0:49:34.520 --> 0:49:36.000 was going to say the same thing, there's a there's 0:49:36.000 --> 0:49:38.520 a mother of another sort. She's good and that that's 0:49:38.560 --> 0:49:41.799 a good movie. I'm good again part of like a 0:49:41.840 --> 0:49:46.799 massive Sony classic Stable. But I uh, I like that movie. 0:49:46.840 --> 0:49:49.480 I didn't like him. I like to score like the 0:49:49.480 --> 0:49:55.520 screenplay and the lead novitiate. Yes, what's what's the lad quality? 0:49:55.600 --> 0:49:58.160 Or Quinn is so good? She's really good. And you know, 0:49:58.200 --> 0:50:00.120 I just saw her in This is so random but 0:50:00.200 --> 0:50:03.040 death note um and she's quite good at that too. 0:50:03.160 --> 0:50:05.320 Speaking of trends earlier, I did have an idea earlier 0:50:05.360 --> 0:50:06.840 this year that there's a lot of love stories and 0:50:06.960 --> 0:50:11.120 play interesting. That's an interesting one in that. Yeah, you know, 0:50:12.200 --> 0:50:15.280 I thought, I guess you know her her love story 0:50:15.360 --> 0:50:18.000 with God if you will, and it's it's that's a 0:50:18.040 --> 0:50:21.240 really interesting little movie, and I hope it gets some love. 0:50:22.040 --> 0:50:24.839 Does no invitiate pass the Bechdel test? If they're talking 0:50:24.840 --> 0:50:28.960 about God, that's a good I mean, unless you're just 0:50:28.960 --> 0:50:33.120 as sending. God's a guy. Yeah, so what else? What else? 0:50:33.200 --> 0:50:36.399 Mud Bound, My Dad's pretty good, Sun Dance Foam coming 0:50:36.440 --> 0:50:41.560 back around for release, played Toronto, Mary J. Blige just 0:50:41.640 --> 0:50:45.160 probably a lock for the party. Now, those three supporting actors, 0:50:45.200 --> 0:50:48.399 Jonathan Bank, Scartt Headland and Jason Mitchell, was to stand 0:50:48.400 --> 0:50:52.080 out for you? Jason Mitchell, Yeah, he's good. Yeah, he's 0:50:52.120 --> 0:50:57.200 I mean really, you know, I mean, I don't know, 0:50:57.239 --> 0:50:59.120 Maybe I should double check with them how they're doing it. 0:50:59.200 --> 0:51:03.000 But I think Jason Clark. I also think Jason Mitchell 0:51:03.160 --> 0:51:05.760 was robbed for a nomination for Straight Out of Compton. 0:51:06.840 --> 0:51:09.480 He was awesome in that. It was fun to talk 0:51:09.480 --> 0:51:12.160 to him that year too, because he was just enthusiastic 0:51:12.360 --> 0:51:14.319 and he's still love in life. It seems he's also 0:51:14.320 --> 0:51:16.040 in Detroit. I mean, is that going to come back around? 0:51:16.560 --> 0:51:19.600 I think so, don't you. I mean, in some categories, 0:51:20.239 --> 0:51:22.640 I don't know. Yeah, I mean it was a difficult 0:51:22.640 --> 0:51:24.560 one to write about at the time because I had 0:51:24.560 --> 0:51:26.640 some issues with the movie, and but then my my 0:51:26.880 --> 0:51:28.480 I settled on Look, I don't know. I mean, this 0:51:28.520 --> 0:51:30.600 is a different academy, So who knows how this will land. 0:51:30.680 --> 0:51:35.120 But Bad Date lost money. You know, it's just but 0:51:35.160 --> 0:51:37.840 it'll get screeners out there early. Yeah, I feel like 0:51:37.880 --> 0:51:40.320 some of those performances, you know, could get some traction 0:51:40.360 --> 0:51:43.560 and pretty hard to ignore. Um, so much respect for 0:51:43.640 --> 0:51:48.160 Katherine Bigelow in the industry, Like, who knows, I love 0:51:48.200 --> 0:51:53.080 this film? First they killed my father? Speaking of female director, Yeah, 0:51:53.239 --> 0:51:55.319 isn't it great? It's really good. You know. I talked 0:51:55.360 --> 0:51:57.520 to her about it, um, saying that, you know, it 0:51:57.560 --> 0:51:59.840 was it was hard for me to go into because 0:51:59.840 --> 0:52:02.759 I don't like seeing children in peril, and she said 0:52:02.760 --> 0:52:06.920 it's actually of the movie she's made her her children's favorite, 0:52:07.440 --> 0:52:09.839 and she's like, kids are more resilient than we think, 0:52:09.880 --> 0:52:12.759 and it's true, Like look at it, like I have 0:52:12.840 --> 0:52:16.560 trouble watching First They Killed My Phone. No, I mean 0:52:16.600 --> 0:52:18.880 it's like, you know, it's tough to see kids in peril. 0:52:18.920 --> 0:52:20.719 But I remember reading it when I was twelve years 0:52:20.760 --> 0:52:22.640 old and I didn't have a problem. Then it's only 0:52:22.640 --> 0:52:24.400 when you get older and you have children of your 0:52:24.440 --> 0:52:28.240 own or you know, it means something different to you. Um, 0:52:28.320 --> 0:52:30.400 And honestly, I'd like, I don't want to give anything away, 0:52:30.440 --> 0:52:32.880 but First They Killed My Father ultimately is a very 0:52:32.920 --> 0:52:35.920 inspiring tale. Yeah, and the photography I think is the 0:52:35.920 --> 0:52:38.759 best of the year. Anthony the DP on that not 0:52:38.840 --> 0:52:42.560 to board Janell with are you bring people? Oh god, 0:52:43.320 --> 0:52:45.440 that's a little inside joke for the long time listeners 0:52:45.560 --> 0:52:48.080 were coming up on twenty minutes and we barely scratched 0:52:48.120 --> 0:52:51.239 the surfaces. But that's kind of like a setting of 0:52:51.280 --> 0:52:53.760 the table, I guess if you will for this Oscar season, 0:52:53.760 --> 0:52:57.880 So we'll recon fab a couple of weeks. We got 0:52:57.920 --> 0:53:01.520 the post coming the Spielberg movie coming. Uh. Interesting role 0:53:01.560 --> 0:53:03.680 for Tom Hanks playing Ben Bradley because he's a very 0:53:03.719 --> 0:53:08.959 gruff uh, temperamental character. So seeing Tom Hanks play that, 0:53:08.960 --> 0:53:12.480 that's gonna be fun and to get nominated, can't get 0:53:12.520 --> 0:53:14.719 arrested the same same or Meryl Streep, his co star 0:53:14.800 --> 0:53:16.680 in the film, like she can't even see when will 0:53:16.719 --> 0:53:19.440 she get hurt? She's gonna get that fourth oscar? But 0:53:19.680 --> 0:53:22.040 she plays Katherine Graham, publisher of the Washington Post in 0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:25.200 that movie and it's about the Pentagon papers. Uh what 0:53:25.280 --> 0:53:28.359 else do you call Thomas Anderson's film All the Money 0:53:28.360 --> 0:53:30.760 in the World. I can't wait to see. I'm so trailer, 0:53:30.880 --> 0:53:35.080 so cool and that story is so weird trailer, but well, 0:53:35.120 --> 0:53:36.759 I just think he using your song money is a 0:53:36.760 --> 0:53:39.759 little on the nose. Money, isn't it the song they used? 0:53:39.880 --> 0:53:43.279 They used the time of the season. I'm gonna go 0:53:43.280 --> 0:53:45.120 back and watch it. Please edit this out if I'm wrong. 0:53:45.719 --> 0:53:48.000 I don't need more people screaming at me now. I'm 0:53:48.000 --> 0:53:49.960 trying to picture the trailer with money, like the Pink 0:53:50.000 --> 0:53:53.640 Floyd song. Is that in there? Maybe I watched a 0:53:53.640 --> 0:53:56.440 fan cut. Who knows that would have been cool. Yeah, 0:53:56.719 --> 0:53:58.520 but they used time of the season and the trailer 0:53:58.520 --> 0:54:01.360 that I'm familiar with. I'm very excited for the movie. 0:54:01.600 --> 0:54:05.080 But you know they made it so fast. Um, yeah, 0:54:05.080 --> 0:54:07.360 they were. They finished shooting like mid August. Yeah. I 0:54:07.360 --> 0:54:09.440 get a little anxious when I see lots of prosthetics, 0:54:09.520 --> 0:54:11.600 but what I've seen so far actually looks good. And 0:54:11.640 --> 0:54:15.880 speaking of you know, rapping recently, who knows if Eastwood's 0:54:15.920 --> 0:54:18.759 movie will pop out there, like I mean, I've heard 0:54:18.800 --> 0:54:21.440 that it will be ready if everyone involved is ready 0:54:21.440 --> 0:54:23.440 to it wants to put it out. Do we even 0:54:23.480 --> 0:54:25.160 know what it's about? It? Really? Yeah, it's about the 0:54:25.560 --> 0:54:28.560 three guys on the train in Paris that subdued the 0:54:28.600 --> 0:54:32.239 would be terrorist attack on that train from Brussels to 0:54:32.480 --> 0:54:37.439 uh France, and he casts the real life guys you're kidding, yes, 0:54:37.440 --> 0:54:39.960 of course, but the story is more about their childhood 0:54:40.000 --> 0:54:42.560 and how they grew up together. So you know, you 0:54:42.600 --> 0:54:44.320 never know where you're going to get out of Clint 0:54:44.920 --> 0:54:50.279 other than under budget and the time. So we'll see 0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:52.439 if that makes it. But anyway, well we'll check back later. 0:54:52.480 --> 0:54:54.120 That that's what we got going on right now, Jennell, 0:54:54.160 --> 0:54:56.759 thanks for coming on. Thanks for about it. Now we 0:54:56.760 --> 0:54:58.560 can put the rest of those rumors that were feuding 0:55:00.320 --> 0:55:02.440 are the rules? I just made that up, But like 0:55:02.480 --> 0:55:04.160 a couple of people have asked you put that up. 0:55:04.160 --> 0:55:08.000 I'm gonna be on Yeah, I don't really like garage anyway. 0:55:08.000 --> 0:55:09.640 We'll check back in a few weeks. Thanks, you know, 0:55:19.840 --> 0:55:24.960 IMM