1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: My name is Matt. Our colleague nol is not joining 6 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: us today, but we'll be returning soon. They called me Ben. 7 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: We're joined today with our guest producer, Max Friday. To 8 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: the Max Williams. Most importantly, you are you. You are here, 9 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: and that makes this the stuff they don't want you 10 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:47,319 Speaker 1: to know. We're recording on a Friday, as far as 11 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: uh calendars tell us, and it's also a Friday in 12 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: twenty two again if you believe the official chronology. Uh, 13 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: maybe that's a little too much deep water first, Uh, now, 14 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: you know, we've talked about it for years and years 15 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: and years over our time together on this show. History 16 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: is often painted as a series of events set in stone. 17 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: Right in the case of archaeology, that's quite literally what 18 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: it is. But if you think about it, history is 19 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: an ongoing conversation and every single year we find more 20 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: and more discoveries that can redefine humanity's view of the 21 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: days and the years and the millennia that came before. 22 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: And I don't know about you, man, but before I know, 23 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: we both spent a lot of time before this show 24 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: reading about things like this um and looking at you know, 25 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: anachronistic artifacts like the anti Cathera mechanism and so on. 26 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: But until we embarked on the show together, I had 27 00:01:54,560 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: no idea how controversial different aspects of the history call 28 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: narrative can be. Oh yeah, controversial. Indeed, I think I 29 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: had that same belief. Okay, we know history because people 30 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: did write it down. There were records. It didn't matter 31 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: if a town got sacked, right or an entire empire 32 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 1: went down. They were still recorded record of each one 33 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: of those events, and like when it happened and who 34 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: had happened too. And then you start to question things 35 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: because the bottom gets knocked out sometimes. Like imagine you're 36 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: in history class and for the first time you learn 37 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 1: about the Julian calendar and how late in our timeline 38 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: that was actually implemented, and then how it got changed again. 39 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's pretty intense to think to think 40 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 1: that we've only been keeping track of years the way 41 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: we understand them for a couple of hundred years. Yeah, 42 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: and there are still multiple calendars in use today. Uh, 43 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: the grigory In calendar, the Islamic calendar, UH, Chinese Julian, 44 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, the Jewish calendar. Indian County, North Korea 45 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: has its own as well. And oftentimes, you know, one 46 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: thing you can say about people, people are not perfect, 47 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: but people know how to make stuff work. And that's 48 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: why you may have many different cultures wherein people adhere 49 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: to a calendar for one part of their life and 50 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: they adhere to a calendar for another part. So you may, 51 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: for instance, um, you may be of the Muslim faith, right, 52 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: and so you will use the Islamic calendar for things 53 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: like Rama dot right for other high holy days. But 54 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: when it comes to your day job, you're just gonna 55 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: say September or December like the rest of the business world. 56 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: And this this is something people have made work. But 57 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: everybody knows the system is imperfect. Everybody knows that his 58 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: three has a bunch of worts and wrinkles and unanswered questions. 59 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: Quite possibly, history has some conspiracies spoiler. The answer is 60 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: yes it does. But we're going to talk about one 61 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: today that will be an immense interest to anybody remembers 62 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: our old episodes on Phantom Time, this is something related 63 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: but distinct. It's something called the New Chronology. Here are 64 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: the facts. As much as it sounds like an event 65 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: in the d C Comics universe, it's it's a real thing. 66 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: The New Chronology is really the story of I would 67 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: say one mathematician, he's he's a protagonist here. Well. Yeah. 68 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: The the primary quote new chronology unquote that we're talking 69 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: about today, because there are others, was formed in the 70 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: mind of a man named Anatoly Timotovich Fomenko. Very interesting character, 71 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: very smart character. He was born in the USSR the 72 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: Soviet Union in nineteen and before you hear anything else 73 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: about this guy or his ideas, uh, you need to 74 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: know just what Matt said. It is crucial to remember. 75 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: He is a very very smart man. He's brilliant. Uh. 76 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: He may not be familiar to many of us outside 77 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: of Russia or people who are not professional mathematicians, but 78 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: he is a mathematician. He's a Russian of note, he's 79 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: an artist. He is teaching today. Uh. He was the 80 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: son of an industrial engineer and a instructor in literature 81 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: and Russian language. So he came from magheads uh and 82 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: very quickly met this guy. Showed an enormous aptitude for math. 83 00:05:55,839 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: He was winning multiple math competitions by the time he 84 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: was in high school or secondary school. He would call 85 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 1: it there and I was not aware until he dug 86 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,799 Speaker 1: into the research that he was also a science fiction writer. 87 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: He published his first story when he was just fourteen. 88 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: It was awesome too. It is called the Mystery of 89 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 1: the Milky Way. It sounds like a fourteen year old 90 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 1: wrote it. Just the Milky Way doesn't sound that exciting, 91 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 1: but but it is cool. That's kind of you know, 92 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: it's where we are um. And the fact that he 93 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 1: wrote it when he was fourteen years old major props. 94 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: And to be clear, he's more well known as a 95 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: mathematician and an author of different works which he considers nonfiction. Yes, 96 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: he considers them studies, right, I mean studies in history 97 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: and in a weird way, um, almost like mathematics proofs 98 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: kind of, or at least they're based on mathematics proofs 99 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: in a way. Yeah. Yeah, he's heavily into statistics if 100 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: you ask him. He graduated from Moscow State University in 101 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven and just two years later, he gets 102 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: a job working at Moscow State University. He was good 103 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: enough that the university didn't want to lose him. If 104 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: you fast forward through the decades, uh, he becomes the 105 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: head of the differential geometry department at Moscow State University. 106 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: What we're saying is he's got his stripes. If you 107 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: are a mathematician in Russia, you were very much aware 108 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: of this guy. He has edited many journals in his field. 109 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:42,239 Speaker 1: He's been on numerous um overseeing councils. This is where 110 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: he uh, he is part of a group where someone 111 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: defends their dissertation to earn their you know, PhD. And 112 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: he even won the State Prize of the Russian Federation, 113 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: which was a huge civilian honor in nineteen due to 114 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: his work in math. But we're not here to talk 115 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: about his impressive math career. We just wanted to wanted 116 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: to give those props before we tell you today's story. 117 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: You see, fellow conspiracy realist. As the years wended on, 118 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: something began to bug our pal A T. Flamenco. Yeah. Uh, 119 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: and it kind of just came into his life randomly, 120 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: it seems. Ah. He was taking a look at the 121 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: mathematics behind the motion of the Sun, a thing that 122 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: he calls coefficient d in his book. And he was 123 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: looking at basically, um tracking the moon's motion if you 124 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: follow it backwards in time as it's been going around 125 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: the Earth, right, And he was looking at the work 126 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: of another mathematician that was trying to just uh follow 127 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: that motion and really trace it out over time, like 128 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: going as back as far as you possibly could, and 129 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:01,839 Speaker 1: that math titian that he was following and watching the 130 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: work of came up with this massive error in time. 131 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: Uh well, it was an error in where the moon 132 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: should have been basically, And once he saw that, he 133 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: started going down a rabbit hole. He had, like a real, 134 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: real rabbit hole. If this is true, then what else 135 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: is true? Right? That's the basis of so much great investigation. 136 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: That's also the basis of good storytelling. I would just 137 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: want to note, so hopefully you'll see some of that 138 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: in an upcoming holiday episode. No spoilers, folks, Yeah, you 139 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: describe it perfectly. Man. In the years leading up to 140 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: the nineties, Famenco becomes increasingly certain that these realizations he's made, 141 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: these mathematical astronomical discoveries, have exposed a dangerous, vast and 142 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 1: profound discrepancy in the known historical record. And he wasn't 143 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: being a jerk about it. He was just on the trail, 144 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: you know. He was just sniffing out if this is true, 145 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: what then kind of things? And he eventually concluded that 146 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 1: historical events as we know them just do not correspond 147 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: with the official dates when they were supposed to happen. Now, 148 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: to be clear, he is not denying that certain things happened. 149 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: He thought all all the big tent events in the 150 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: human record did occur at some point, just not when 151 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: everyone claimed they did. And he's doing this all while 152 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: he's a working academic. He starts publishing what would become 153 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 1: a massive, incredibly controversial theory in a massive, incredibly long 154 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: series of books. The first book is called History Fiction 155 00:10:55,679 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 1: or Science. Dating methods as offered by mathematical statistics, eclipses 156 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: and zodiacs, parentheses, chronology. Book one, Just book one, Just 157 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: book one, Just book one. Ben, you found a PDF 158 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: copy in English that we were able to go through 159 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: a little bit. I think you went through maybe the 160 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: whole thing. I just scratched the surface. But my goodness, 161 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: it's big. Yeah, it's big, and if you just to 162 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: give you a sense, Um, if you have ever gone 163 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 1: to a museum and you go to their gift shop 164 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: and you see the different books they have. They're often 165 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: like beautifully illustrated books on history, art or some realm 166 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: of the sciences, and you'll see that they're written in 167 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: a two column for bats, because there's so much information 168 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: that needs to be put on the page. This is 169 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: one of those things. It's that kind of approach, and 170 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: it would prove to be an opening salvo in what 171 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: some of Flamenco's critics call and some of his fans 172 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: call a war on history. Uh, let's see right now 173 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: that Um, there are seven books in the series, and 174 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: they're all saying they're all looking at different ways to 175 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: support the argument that most of the ancient history you 176 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: have heard of is not ancient at all. This is 177 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: the new chronology, folks, and spoiler alert, you'll want to 178 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: strap in. Here's where it gets crazy, all right. Top claim. 179 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: This is the top claim. Some people might turn off 180 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 1: the episode when they hear this. Please bear with us. A. T. 181 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: Famengo one hundred percent believes the written history of humankind 182 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: only goes back as far as what we would call 183 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: eight hundred C. Yeah, that's uh, that's not very far 184 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 1: back at all. Eight hundred Come on, well, I mean 185 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 1: if you think back to ancient Egypt, ancient Greece, uh, really, 186 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: all of the ancient world, all the ancient history, ancient China, 187 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:15,439 Speaker 1: the life of Jesus Christ. You know. But here's the thing. 188 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: He's not throwing that out like none of that happened. 189 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 1: Just what you said, Ben, It's just he's folding it 190 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: in on itself, like closer to us in in time. Yeah, yeah, 191 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: it's so phantom time. As a longtime listeners will remember, 192 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: is this argument that a lot of the Middle Ages 193 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: just didn't happen. Uh. And and please check out our 194 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 1: work on that to to learn more. This is different 195 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: because Famenco is saying, Okay, good hustle, everybody who ever 196 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 1: looked into history before, but it started in eight hundred 197 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: a d. He would call it, or eight hundred s 198 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: it's called now and then for the next two hundred years, 199 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: he says, modern people know almost nothing about what was 200 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: going on, and that most known historical events, the construction 201 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: of the pyramids, right, the life and times of your 202 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: favorite religious figures, they all happened sometime between the year 203 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: one thousand and the year fiftdred Yeah, it seems like 204 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: a whole lot happened in five years. Yeah, and uh, 205 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: interestingly enough, I don't think either of us put this 206 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: in the notes. Uh. He he finds, he finds a 207 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: lot of stuff to be flawed in his opinion, but 208 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: then he finds other things to be true. He is 209 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: a big proponent of the Book of Mormon because he 210 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: believes that, when interpreted correctly, it further proves the case 211 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: of the new chronology. So what does that mean? You 212 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: mentioned the Roman Empire, You mentioned Dan Egypt, Like that's what? Oh, yes, 213 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: I did mention the Roman Empire. And that's because Famenco 214 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: believes something very interesting that man I wanted, Like my 215 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: mind is only beginning to understand. But he believes that 216 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: the Roman Empire didn't come around until the late Middle Ages. 217 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: And you know, this concept that Roman Empire, in my mind, 218 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: goes back to the Greek, ancient Greece and um the 219 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: empire that was occurring there. But he believes that ancient 220 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: Rome didn't happen ancient Greece. It's was not real. It 221 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: wasn't what we think it is, and even ancient Egypt 222 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: is not. It just didn't exist as we understand them. 223 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: And the stories that we've been told, yeah, they all 224 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: happened in the Middle Ages and the names were changed. 225 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: And he says, look, uh, Jesus Christ, the actual facts 226 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: as their pal Lauren Vogbaum would say, Jesus Christ was 227 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: really the only thing is that what that guy lived 228 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: and died in the twelfth century. And he says that 229 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: traditional chronology it's just too long, you know, which honestly 230 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: is the thing. A lot of history students might agree 231 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: with this is just too much or or or some 232 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: readers of his book maybe being diplomatic here, uh, he claimed. 233 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: And he doesn't necessarily say that people were trying to 234 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: erase history on purpose. He leaves that relatively open. He 235 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: says that historians who came before him or came after 236 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: these events, either accidentally or maliciously made phantom copies of 237 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: events or rulers and repeated them over and over again, 238 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: the same stories under different names. Well, and it's interesting 239 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: to see, at least from what I've read, and maybe 240 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 1: correct me or if I'm wrong, then, but uh, the 241 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: reason why they might do that, he believed that these 242 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: historians were maybe creating these histories in this timeline to 243 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: support the goals of governments or you know, um people 244 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: in power and regimes. It does seem that way, and 245 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: that's that's also a plausible thing, right, because we know 246 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: that you if you look at all the contemporary or 247 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: near contemporary stuff written about rulers who had fallen out 248 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: of power, then all of a sudden they become villains. 249 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: That's why so many Roman emperors have contradictory stories about them. Right. 250 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: We're not saying those emperors were all dudley do rights. 251 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: We're just saying that there was a bit of propaganda 252 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: and a bit of political motivation for these things. But 253 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: could that go all the way to creating false histories 254 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: of entire empires? Exactly? Could the Temple of Solomon really 255 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: just be the Hagia Sophia by another name. Could the 256 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: biblical Solomon really just be Sultan Soliman the Magnificent? I mean, 257 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: he has he matches the names of multiple historical figures 258 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: to other historical figures, and he also draws a lot 259 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: of this out like because he's an artist, illustrate these connections, 260 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: which are interesting and pretty confusing. Dare I say Byzantine 261 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: and their complication is a terrible joke. But he says, 262 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 1: you know, the actual Christ inspired a bunch of other 263 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: people who are more or less um phantoms, historical accidents. 264 00:18:56,040 --> 00:19:01,239 Speaker 1: It reminded me of back in our video days. You know, 265 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 1: we would talk a lot about artifacts, right, artifacts not 266 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: in the physical sense, but what what is an artifact 267 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: in the world of video, Matt? An artifact in the 268 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 1: world of video? All right? Are you talking about just 269 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: like digital like garbled digital signal essentially where where you 270 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 1: just have on your screen a couple of blocks. They 271 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,239 Speaker 1: aren't doing what they're supposed to be doing as far 272 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: as color and contrast. Yeah, I think that's a pretty 273 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: good comparison to what he So he thinks that with 274 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: that comparison, people like Pope Gregory the Seven are just 275 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: the equivalent of those sorts of artifacts, their mistakes, and 276 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: all of our traditional history again Perfamenco, consists of mistakes 277 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: like this, the same events repeated multiple times under different names. 278 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: The Trojan War is the same thing as their crusades. Uh, 279 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: it was revenge for the crucifixion. Let's see, um Imperial 280 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: Rome was Constantinople. He thinks they're like four different things 281 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 1: that have been called Rome mistakenly. It just it goes 282 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: on and on and on. And it would like if 283 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 1: we were to go over each comparison he makes. Uh, 284 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: we our time would be better spent asking you to 285 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: just read his seven books. Uh. But despite some of 286 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: the translation problems. Right, so this is a lot already. 287 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: This is a big thing to lump on people. Uh 288 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,360 Speaker 1: when when we we talked a little bit about how 289 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: he thinks this all actually happened. But let's maybe revisit 290 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: there because you pointed out something really great at the top, Matt. 291 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 1: He didn't make this up out a whole cloth. No, 292 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: it goes back to the moon initially, right, this guy 293 00:20:56,119 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 1: named Robert Newton that Flamenco was just checking out, and 294 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: that's the guy who's studying the moon and how I 295 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: was moving and he said, hey, there's errors here in 296 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: these older dates. I wonder what's going on with these 297 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: eclipse dates. Seems like they're off. Um. And then after 298 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: looking at the work of Newton, he looked at the 299 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: work of a person named and a Morozov. That's probably 300 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: just the easiest way for us to remember him. Morozov 301 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: and this is another renowned Russian scientist. UH. This guy 302 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: had analyzed ancient dates and he claimed that a ton 303 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: of them need to be changed or revised, at least 304 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: in some way because there were errors. Right, And as 305 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: we'll see, that's something that's something that is not foreign 306 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: to the world of history, right there. There have been 307 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: multiple instances, especially in earlier history, where you will have 308 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: experts discovering a new fossil, for example, and that may 309 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 1: be earth shaking, but it's necessarily controversial because everyone can agree. Hey, 310 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: if the carbon dating, for instance, tells us this, right, 311 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 1: and it jives with some other things we know, then 312 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: let's let's revise what we under our official understanding. That's 313 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: how science works. There's nothing wrong with that, Ben Ben, 314 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,719 Speaker 1: I'm remembering. It's it was Newton found that there were 315 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: errors in uh studying the moon's coefficient D and the 316 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: errors were between the centuries of the eighth century and 317 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 1: the tenth century. And when Flamenco looked at that data, 318 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: then he looked at what Morozov was saying about dates 319 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: that needed to be revised. He put those two sets 320 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: together and found that the dates of eclipses, as Morozov 321 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: would revise them to actually made the math of Newton work. 322 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: That's yes, which is fascinating, right, fascinating and feels like 323 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: strong support, you know, uh so Fulmakov believes that this vast, 324 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: overarching conspiracy is the result of multiple generations of scholars 325 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: often making honest mistakes or possibly also bad faith actors 326 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: perpetrating a big lie because and we'll see why this 327 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: is funny at the end, because it's better suits their 328 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 1: view of how the world should be. So he's accusing 329 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: them of a little bit of confirmation bias quite possibly. 330 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: And if you look through his work, what you'll see 331 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:38,479 Speaker 1: basically is that he believes that originally four sources of 332 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: historical knowledge referst to these books as A, B, C, 333 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: and D. Those latter three, B, C, and D, he argues, 334 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: are imperfect copies of A, which he calls the True 335 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: History here the capital letters on true History there. So 336 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: he says, over time these four sources got copied and 337 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: recopied so much so often through multiple translations, that they 338 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: became garbled, and the four books were eventually assumed to 339 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: be four separate histories rather than what they were three 340 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: flawed copies of one narrative for a total of four 341 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: things saying different versions of the same story. WHOA, But 342 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: it's like they were just going back further and further 343 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: in time somehow. It's it reminds me of the old 344 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: game of telephone that they you always talk about, Ben 345 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,479 Speaker 1: history is a palem cessed and we're just like writing 346 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: over everything again and telling it to each other over 347 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: and over and trying to be as accurate as possible. 348 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: It's tough for me to maybe internalized some of that 349 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 1: because we are writing it down often, and even in 350 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: in the explanation of Famenco, these are scholars theoretically writing 351 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 1: it down. But it does make sense to me. When 352 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: you're talking about translations specifically. The only thing is we're 353 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: talking numbers here right right right, So uh, Roman numerals, 354 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: Arabic numbers, those those are often I would want to say, 355 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: less vulnerable to translation. But then we have to add 356 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 1: the second ingredient, which which you mentioned earlier, which is 357 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 1: the idea that uh, political factors or social factors might 358 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: influence the way something is translated. And that's not necessarily bad. 359 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 1: That doesn't necessarily mean it's propaganda. It could mean that 360 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: people have a different cultural framework when they're translating this thing, 361 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: when they're writing something down. This is the golden goose. 362 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: To Flamenco. He says, when these sub scribes and late 363 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: medieval eras were writing history down, they accidentally just made 364 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: it four times longer than it should have been. And 365 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 1: they've been repeating the same history four times. And as 366 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: proof of this, he says, look, I've found these similarities. 367 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: They're indifferent purported periods of human history, but they're all 368 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: the same thing. And more importantly, argues, this discovery puts 369 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: me in place where I my colleagues can reconstruct the 370 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: true history by collapsing the four histories into what they 371 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: always were just a few hundred years. That's a that's 372 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: a matrix moment, at least if it's true. I I 373 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: propose we take a break for a word from our 374 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:40,360 Speaker 1: sponsors and let's take a look at uh his methods. 375 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: What do you say, Let's do it and we're back. Okay, 376 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: Let's go about figuring out how these four separate books 377 00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 1: of history that are too long obviously in collaps them 378 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: down into one historical record that occurred in the Middle Ages. Basically, 379 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: how did how did Famenco and his team do this well. 380 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: Famenco didn't just you know, look at all the works 381 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: of previous people and just kind of take him and 382 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: write him down as his own. Instead, he came up 383 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 1: with theories that lean on his background mathematics. He's looking 384 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 1: at statistical correlation. He's looking at the mathematics of astronomy, 385 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: which are you know, pretty dang reliable, the the big 386 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 1: floating things you know around us, and what the sun 387 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: does and the moon and the earth. And he also 388 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: looked at comparisons of past timelines that rulers used, So 389 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 1: people that were known to be emperors or kings, what 390 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: did they use. It's really interesting. Yeah, And although it's 391 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: you know, I even more than most hate the deification 392 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: of human beings who happen to be in power. Um, 393 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: it does make sense. I have to admit two. Look 394 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:13,479 Speaker 1: to the timelines of time and power right by ruling 395 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: figures throughout history, because they are going to be the 396 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: people who are most likely to be noted in recorded history. Right. 397 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: You can't can't write down the first and last name, 398 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: or first and family name of everybody who lives in 399 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: in some ancient empire, but you will be much more 400 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 1: likely to find information about the people who ruled and 401 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: when they ruled for how long. So Ben Ben Ben, 402 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: I just started up skyro him again, and I just 403 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: joined the Bard's College and Solitude, and you have to 404 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: do this quest where you find the last verse of 405 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: King Olaf, which is fascinating because history written about him, 406 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: but in this case it's kind of scratched out, so 407 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: the head of the Bards College has to make up 408 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: some versus and just writes history in the moment with 409 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: you in the game. It's pretty great. I'm gonna speak 410 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: for our guest producer Max here and say, I think 411 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: you made both of our days when you mentioned Skyrim. 412 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: How long has it been since you played it? Years? 413 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: It was Xbox three sixties the last time I played it, 414 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: So now I'm just bringing it back up. I don't care. 415 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: It's so great. It's I I turned it on recently 416 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: and realized I had I had, and I'm not bragging. 417 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: I feel like this is a bad thing. I got 418 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: a hundred percent completion, so now it's just radiant quest 419 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: and I just walk around. Now it's basically animal crossing 420 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: for me. People you shouldn't you really should turn back 421 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, just do the main storyline. 422 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: What kind of character do you have? You build? Straight 423 00:29:54,960 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: up barbarian healer. He's a badass. Nice nice. Uh Okay, 424 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: so we've got to talk. We've got to talk more 425 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: about Skyrim. But that's how amazing that game is, folks, 426 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 1: because I can't believe it. You're right, the bard history 427 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: of Oloff Quest is kind of one to one with 428 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: what we're talking about. Uh So, Yeah, some of Famenko's 429 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: critics may say that he's just writing his own stuff 430 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: right to replace what is unknown, But what he's doing 431 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: is more what we could call famenco parallelism, and if 432 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: you search for that on your browser of choice, you 433 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: will see those multiple examples of what we're talking about, 434 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: where he says, well, this thing that's called this is 435 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: really this other thing with a different name, but if 436 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: you think about it, they're the same. And he says, 437 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: you know, the Star of Bethlehem as described in the 438 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: that's described in the Christian Bible is actually the crab Nebula, 439 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: which was ordered by Chinese astronomers around eleven fifty because 440 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: there's a super nova that formed that thing that was 441 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: super bright and stuck around for a while exactly exactly, 442 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: and then Famenco spends a lot of time proving or 443 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: attempting to prove, uh, star positions. So back to astronomy, right, 444 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: This is an example of you know what what you 445 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: said earlier, going, let me lean on my acumen as 446 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: a mathematician, right, And now he says, all right, let's 447 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: go back to told me and Claudius told me has 448 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: recorded star positions, and the rest of history agrees that 449 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: he recorded these positions somewhere between one. But he says, actually, 450 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: if you do the math, this guy's charting stellar locations 451 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: from six hundred to see and he's done the same 452 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: thing with Egyptian horoscopes. Yeah, I just don't understand how 453 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: most of history agrees that it's a seventy year time 454 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: period that those star charts you know, were made, right, 455 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: and then Famenco believes, oh no, they're actually done from 456 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: six hundred a d uh, you know, just seven hundred years. 457 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: It's fine, uh, which I guess it would mean again, 458 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: it's like in that case he's expanding time rather than 459 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: folding it in. Right. Yes, Yeah, that's that is an 460 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: interesting an interesting point. There are a few things that 461 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: at least seem contradictory in this in this guy's stuff, right, Uh, 462 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: And this leads us to another contradiction. He also says 463 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: that astronomical observations that don't jibe with his theory are 464 00:32:55,000 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: either incorrect or irrelevant. So ancient Chinese astronomical observations outside 465 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: of things like the crab nebula are useless. Babylonian observations 466 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: are likewise incorrect. Uh. They also don't happen to jibe 467 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: with the theories of New chronology. But that's weird because 468 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: then you'd have basically you'd have to decide that, you know, 469 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: human beings that looked up in the sky and made 470 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: star charts, you know, in those areas of the world, 471 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: we're just lying or just we're really bad at doing it, 472 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: or or we're making it up for some reason. That's 473 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: just an that's an odd stance to take. Okay, well, 474 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: let's keep going. Let's keep going, because it goes past 475 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: the astronomy. We also said he correlates lists of rulers 476 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: earthly rulers, and this forms a big, big part of 477 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: new chronology in general. So he'll he'll take a list 478 00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: of kings from one country members whatever, and then he 479 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: will compare that to a list of rulers from another country, 480 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:13,240 Speaker 1: and then he will show similarities, right that he believes 481 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,800 Speaker 1: proves these are actually the same list. Well, it's almost 482 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: like he's stating from different centuries to right. Oh, almost 483 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,399 Speaker 1: doesn't cover it. Yeah, he's doing different centuries. Yeah. So yeah, 484 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: different parts of the world and in different timelines, and 485 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: then he's correlating them together. We're like, oh, well, that's 486 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: actually just this ruler repeated up here in the timeline. Uh, 487 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: It's it's really strange. He he quote proved that the 488 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:45,280 Speaker 1: biblical kings of Israel are just the Western Roman emperors somehow. 489 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: And I don't understand that. I haven't looked, honestly, I 490 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,959 Speaker 1: haven't looked too deep into that been. I mean, it's 491 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: that sounds nuts to me, but okay, okay, and the 492 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,839 Speaker 1: Anglo Saxon Kings of England are just other names for 493 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: the Byzantine emperors and they're only associated with England because 494 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: refugees from Constantinople now is timble, it's nobody's business. But 495 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: the Turks uh from the constant to Dople modern day 496 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: staple uh fled fled to England after the city was 497 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: sacked in fourteen fifty three. So if you are a 498 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: an enthusiast of Anglo Saxon history, then it might sound 499 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,280 Speaker 1: like this guy is erasing your history, right, uh, because 500 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 1: he kind of is. Uh. This is where a lot 501 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 1: of people, in fact take deep issue with his claims. 502 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: You can find examples of his technique as well as 503 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 1: the problems with it. I want to give a special 504 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: shout out to Jason Colavito who talks through this just 505 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: it gets so granular, folks, it gets so in the 506 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:05,399 Speaker 1: weeds of genealogy. If you're one of those people who 507 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: had to read uh, the Old Testament at some point 508 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 1: in your life, Madame aline on on you here, what's 509 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,399 Speaker 1: the what's the book of the Old Testament where it's 510 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: just a whole bunch of people begatting each other? I 511 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: can't remember, but it's in there. Just flipped through until 512 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: you so and so begat? Who begat? Who begat? Who begat? 513 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 1: Who begat? Dropped the beat? Begat? Get right? So like 514 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:38,359 Speaker 1: the it's heavily genealogical, right, And in each case he 515 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: seems to find what he thinks of as what he 516 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: presents as uh quantitative that these are really just four 517 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 1: iterations of the same actual historical person. And he's been 518 00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,360 Speaker 1: accused of playing fast and loose with this because he 519 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: will draw I don't know, he will also draw conclusions 520 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: from things that could just be historical coincidences or I 521 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: don't know, Bob Ross style happy accidents. And let's let's 522 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 1: just give some more examples here. Uh Famenka Will argues 523 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: that a lot of the confusion that modern history has 524 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 1: about some of these actual dates in time, you know, 525 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: as he sees them, actually come from Old English, Old English. 526 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,319 Speaker 1: Not the isn't that a beer? I don't know, not not, 527 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,720 Speaker 1: I think it is. I think it's like a forty ounce, 528 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,720 Speaker 1: like a malt liquor. Yeah, that's what it's the images 529 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: that conjured in my mind. But it's not because of 530 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,919 Speaker 1: that beer. It's because of Old English use of this 531 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,319 Speaker 1: term quote year of grace, and it was used as 532 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,840 Speaker 1: a synonym for anno domini or a d H. Yeah, 533 00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 1: and uh he extrapolates to something like us. Again, there's translation, 534 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: not the original Russian. Maybe the original and now forgotten 535 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 1: meaning of a formula years of grace differs from one 536 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: which is accepted today. Maybe it was years in Greece, 537 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: Greek years or something like this. Huh um, solid, Yes, 538 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 1: you know, if it's three am in the dorm room 539 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:30,439 Speaker 1: and we're passing around the bob, you know, yeah, yeah, 540 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. That doesn't seem like it has much 541 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 1: of a foundation to me. But you know, Okay, but 542 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:39,879 Speaker 1: I get it. Translation. I understand his contention that translation 543 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 1: is a major issue. Yes, well, and if you're if 544 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 1: you're not talking about numbers in this case, you're talking 545 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:51,320 Speaker 1: about a term to describe either an era or maybe 546 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 1: even a certain number, like maybe maybe it's a phrase 547 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: that could represent a number. I could see how that 548 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 1: would be possibly contentious, umb but who knows. I know, 549 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,439 Speaker 1: the whole leap year thing was a major issue, right, 550 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 1: and we can we don't have to get into it 551 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 1: fully been but figuring out how to change the calendar 552 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: and how many days to add to a calendar to 553 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 1: make the year workout or to catch up in days 554 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,800 Speaker 1: like it's it's been a whole thing throughout human history, 555 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: Like there was one wasn't there one year that had 556 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 1: four hundred and forty something days? And it was like 557 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 1: right before Julius Caesar was assassinated. He added, like two 558 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 1: months to the calendar or something. I love it. I 559 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,719 Speaker 1: feel like that's such a power move, you know. Uh, 560 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 1: I don't think it works out all the time for 561 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 1: those rulers, right, look at the French revolutions attempt to 562 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:54,520 Speaker 1: make a new calendar. Um. But but we I think 563 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 1: we can all accept this supposition about translation in this 564 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: case is interesting, but maybe not enough. Maybe it's not 565 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 1: solid enough to justify rewriting the entirety of history. Okay, 566 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: so we have the basics, and we have a rough 567 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 1: understanding of his methods, controversial as they may be. But 568 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 1: the next question is what's the motivation why. That's where 569 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: it gets even strangers. So we're gonna take a pause 570 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,359 Speaker 1: for a word from our sponsors. We're gonna return, and uh, 571 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:39,760 Speaker 1: we're gonna throw a lot of stuff into the mix here. Alright, 572 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,959 Speaker 1: we're back. As you might have assumed, Famenco's concepts are 573 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:48,920 Speaker 1: largely dismissed by mainstream academia, and and you know that 574 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,759 Speaker 1: includes mainstream academics and Russia. Uh, most of the non 575 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,840 Speaker 1: Russian public would probably dismiss this. But the motivation is 576 00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:01,840 Speaker 1: one thing, and he implies this, doesn't say it plainly. 577 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 1: The dominant power in Europe and Asia for the entirety 578 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 1: of human history was a Slavic Turkic empire. He calls 579 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:16,400 Speaker 1: the quote Russian Horde. Matt Jengis Khan was Russia Russian. 580 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:22,360 Speaker 1: So we're Scythians, Huns, Goths, Ukrainians, any other Central Asian 581 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 1: tribe mentioned. Ever, Moscow was the third Rome. Uh. It 582 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,479 Speaker 1: came after Alexandria and Constantinople, which were also mistakenly called Rome. 583 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,720 Speaker 1: The Russian Horde spread across the world under the reign 584 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 1: of Jengis Cod. Everything seems carefully designed to make this 585 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 1: alternative narrative in which Russia has always been the one 586 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:49,920 Speaker 1: true superpower of human history. Oh okay, okay, now I'm 587 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:55,319 Speaker 1: starting to understand Flamenco's thing. So, if if Russia was 588 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 1: actually the one true power, then all these other empires 589 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 1: that were built up with their keyings and all that stuff, 590 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,320 Speaker 1: they wouldn't have the type of hegemony that they currently 591 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,840 Speaker 1: have in the world. If you think about the Britains, 592 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,440 Speaker 1: the Frances, you know, the real Western world, it wouldn't 593 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 1: be the most powerful thing ever. Right. Yeah, So the 594 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,839 Speaker 1: idea is that other groups like the Vatican, the Holy 595 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 1: Roman Empire and even the forces behind the Protestant Reformation 596 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:30,120 Speaker 1: wrote these fake histories to hide the real magnificence of 597 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 1: what he calls the Russian Horde, so that modern day 598 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:38,480 Speaker 1: Russians and the world don't recognize they're their true worth 599 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:44,120 Speaker 1: and stay alienated from other places in Central Asia. So 600 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:49,799 Speaker 1: Russia is the fault from which all culture springs. Per Famenco. 601 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,120 Speaker 1: Might surprise you to know, folks, his books have sold 602 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,080 Speaker 1: over a million copies, well over a million. They've been 603 00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:00,160 Speaker 1: translated to other languages, including English. Uh found a survey 604 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,600 Speaker 1: that said somewhere up to thirty of Russians today are 605 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,239 Speaker 1: kind of sympathetic with the idea. They say, I don't know, 606 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 1: people in authority lie all the time. Why wouldn't they 607 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,200 Speaker 1: lie about this? He's got a lot of supports. Yeah, 608 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 1: when the concept that someone else is trying to destroy 609 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:20,400 Speaker 1: your history is very unifying, right, that will make you 610 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:25,400 Speaker 1: come together. So in a way, his goal or his 611 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,239 Speaker 1: beliefs are kind of fueling the gold. It's a it's 612 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 1: a circular thing, much like the moon circling around the Earth. 613 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:38,279 Speaker 1: There it is there, it is so uh So It's 614 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,439 Speaker 1: also true that Flamenco and his theories would probably never 615 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,320 Speaker 1: have been near as well known were it not for 616 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 1: one of his most famous former supporters, uh, the Chess 617 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:54,640 Speaker 1: legend Gary Kasparov, who said, you know, he talked with 618 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,160 Speaker 1: Flamenco when they met, uh informed a relationship in the 619 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,440 Speaker 1: ninety nineties, and he said, you know, we had a 620 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:06,120 Speaker 1: lot in common. I also am skeptical about history. Kasparov 621 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,719 Speaker 1: would later go on to say he doesn't agree with 622 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:15,120 Speaker 1: Famenco's conclusions like that the way in which Famenco reconstructs history, 623 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 1: but he says, I am skeptical of the official narrative 624 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:23,160 Speaker 1: in several key points. And again there's nothing necessarily wrong 625 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,239 Speaker 1: with that. You just have to prove it. Uh. We 626 00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:30,000 Speaker 1: should also mention Famenco is not the only new chronology 627 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,000 Speaker 1: guy out there. There are a couple of other things 628 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,680 Speaker 1: that have the same term applied to them, and they're 629 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,560 Speaker 1: much more Western, like the Glasgow Chronology and David roll 630 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,399 Speaker 1: r O h L. Right, yeah, and you can look 631 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,719 Speaker 1: both of those up. Glasgow Chronology g L. A. S. 632 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,880 Speaker 1: G Ow. Check that out. It's something that came around 633 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:56,040 Speaker 1: in the nineteen seventies. Uh. I mean you'll see that 634 00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,640 Speaker 1: it was kind of not really debunked. But even the 635 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,800 Speaker 1: people that came up with the concept through it away, 636 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,600 Speaker 1: like right after they came up with it, because there's like, 637 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,839 Speaker 1: no but the David rawl thing all another quote New 638 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:14,279 Speaker 1: chronology worth your time? Check that out. Uh, it deals 639 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,359 Speaker 1: a lot with Egypt, I believe. Yeah. Yeah, And the 640 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:23,480 Speaker 1: idea is um The idea is essentially downdating, like moving 641 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,320 Speaker 1: a timeline around. In his case, he's he's lowering traditionally 642 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:33,440 Speaker 1: understood timeline of Egyptian of ancient Egypt by about three 643 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,719 Speaker 1: fifty years. And this this might seem you know, like 644 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,320 Speaker 1: small beings to a lot of people who are not Egyptologists, 645 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,279 Speaker 1: but it's it's a big deal. And if you want 646 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:48,359 Speaker 1: to learn more about the controversy there, if you want 647 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,759 Speaker 1: to learn the basis of his claims, you can read 648 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,160 Speaker 1: books that he's written, or you can check out a 649 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:57,239 Speaker 1: documentary that came out in or so. But realize that 650 00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:02,080 Speaker 1: it is controversial. It's not accepted by most stigyptologists today. Really, 651 00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,880 Speaker 1: what we should we should think about is what's the 652 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,799 Speaker 1: point of all of this? What we're seeing is so 653 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,480 Speaker 1: many people feel unsatisfied by history, and why do they 654 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,359 Speaker 1: feel it needs to be rewritten to create a more 655 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,560 Speaker 1: personally satisfying view of the past. I think in a 656 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:22,719 Speaker 1: lot of cases it can be explained through confirmation bias, 657 00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,080 Speaker 1: especially if you're a nationalist and you say, my cultures 658 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,480 Speaker 1: or my nation or whatever is not getting its due. 659 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,799 Speaker 1: Let me tell you a story about a world in 660 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,920 Speaker 1: which it does get the recognition it deserves. You know, 661 00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:42,280 Speaker 1: like I it reminds me, honestly of some religious sex 662 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:47,680 Speaker 1: like Nation of Islam um or you know, also nazis right, 663 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:52,560 Speaker 1: what there uh, they're weird horrific thing um or you know, 664 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,080 Speaker 1: the popular belief that you'll find in other parts of 665 00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:59,640 Speaker 1: the world arguing that modern humanity originated in China, which 666 00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,360 Speaker 1: is a scepted as fact, you know, and to a 667 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,759 Speaker 1: degree that might surprise Westerners. You're right, I think you 668 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:11,759 Speaker 1: said this been. Every hero needs an origin story, right, 669 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,600 Speaker 1: And if you feel like your country, your nation, your whatever, 670 00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:21,120 Speaker 1: your empire is the hero in the story, then it 671 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:25,400 Speaker 1: needs an epic start, like how did it begin and why? 672 00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,000 Speaker 1: And the bigger that you can make that story, the 673 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:33,839 Speaker 1: more awesome you are now, right, um? So it is 674 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,439 Speaker 1: it that kind of checks out to me? I am 675 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:43,280 Speaker 1: I am puzzled. I think as to how this person 676 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,880 Speaker 1: from NKO who does appear on the page to be 677 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:50,239 Speaker 1: so brilliant and have a grasp of concepts that I 678 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:55,000 Speaker 1: cannot fathom. How does that person go so deep down 679 00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,799 Speaker 1: what appears to be a rabbit hole to me of 680 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,840 Speaker 1: like making things it when he's trying so hard to 681 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:07,120 Speaker 1: use math to prove things. Yeah, yeah, and it's it's 682 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,640 Speaker 1: something that unfortunately, it's a tendency you can see in 683 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:17,120 Speaker 1: humanity pretty pretty commonly. You know a lot of great 684 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:23,960 Speaker 1: thinkers who are responsible for many many innovations also have 685 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,759 Speaker 1: their own personal interest in things that would be considered 686 00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,879 Speaker 1: way out there to their colleagues. I'm thinking of like 687 00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:37,680 Speaker 1: um Newton and alchemy. You know, that's another great example. 688 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:42,880 Speaker 1: But uh, this is a little more modern world stuff. 689 00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:48,480 Speaker 1: A T. Famenko is alive today, and maybe that's where 690 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,920 Speaker 1: we end. The big question is is he open and 691 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:57,400 Speaker 1: constructive criticism about his theories. That's another fundamental brick in 692 00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,319 Speaker 1: the temple of science. Well, we do know. In two 693 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,560 Speaker 1: thousand and four, his English language publisher did something interesting. 694 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:09,440 Speaker 1: They said, Hey, we're gonna have a contest if you 695 00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,920 Speaker 1: can prove the existence of any human artifact from before 696 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:20,719 Speaker 1: one thousand CE. We will give you ten thousand dollars. Okay, 697 00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,239 Speaker 1: you can go to museum and find that, right, right, Well, 698 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:29,240 Speaker 1: they do have one caveat You can't submit anything using archaeological, dendo, chronological, 699 00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:34,080 Speaker 1: paleographical or carbon dating methods. Well, then how would I 700 00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,640 Speaker 1: prove that it's from that time period? Yeah, that's a 701 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,720 Speaker 1: good question, man, because those are the universally accepted methods 702 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,920 Speaker 1: for proving the age of It's got it's gotta be, 703 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:50,960 Speaker 1: it's gotta sharpie written on it. It just says CE. 704 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,200 Speaker 1: I mean, that's okay. That's the thing though, because you know, 705 00:49:55,120 --> 00:50:00,400 Speaker 1: if this was true, it would inherently fun to mentally 706 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,680 Speaker 1: change our understand of human history. I think it's safe 707 00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,400 Speaker 1: to say it's probably not true, just because of the 708 00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:11,600 Speaker 1: discrepancies in in the work compared to the work of 709 00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:15,719 Speaker 1: everybody else. Right, But even if it's, even if this 710 00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,480 Speaker 1: theory can be debunked, we have to remember that for 711 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,719 Speaker 1: a period of time, knowledge of ancient history was only 712 00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:27,680 Speaker 1: kept around by a very small number of scholars and 713 00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:32,840 Speaker 1: also theologians, who definitely had like an agenda, right, But 714 00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,319 Speaker 1: they were the only members of the literate class. They 715 00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,839 Speaker 1: were the only ones with the books who could read them, 716 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,640 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And it is very weird 717 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:45,440 Speaker 1: to think about how far spread groups of those human 718 00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:49,120 Speaker 1: beings were that were in towers somewhere, protected with all 719 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:54,399 Speaker 1: their you know, papyrus and tablets and papers, gathering all 720 00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:58,200 Speaker 1: that stuff together, and everybody kind of writing their own 721 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,160 Speaker 1: thing on their own, not can did to everybody else. 722 00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,279 Speaker 1: And in the case of several orders of monks, they 723 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,399 Speaker 1: were probably drunk while they were doing it, but they 724 00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,640 Speaker 1: were calling it. They were probably just calling it English 725 00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,600 Speaker 1: back then, not old English. I think. Weren't getting thrown 726 00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:16,879 Speaker 1: out for doing meth back then? Or no, No, that's 727 00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,400 Speaker 1: that's the temple in Thailand of the modern day. But 728 00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,879 Speaker 1: who knows. Given a few centuries and maybe somebody will 729 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:28,160 Speaker 1: tell us the truth about how those events went down. 730 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,239 Speaker 1: That's our show for today, folks. We would love to 731 00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,239 Speaker 1: We would love to hear your thoughts right now. It's 732 00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,880 Speaker 1: safe to say that new chronology is not a widely 733 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,320 Speaker 1: accepted theory um and there are a lot of problems 734 00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,759 Speaker 1: with it that we have outlined, but the idea of 735 00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:51,279 Speaker 1: this vast conspiracy spanning millennia really is fascinating, and we 736 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,760 Speaker 1: want to know. What do you think? Is it possible 737 00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,560 Speaker 1: that large portions of history have been exercised from the 738 00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:03,120 Speaker 1: records or fabricated? If so, how more importantly, why let 739 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:07,359 Speaker 1: us know? You can find us everywhere, especially online on 740 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:12,600 Speaker 1: Twitter we're conspiracy stuff. On Facebook, conspiracy stuff. On Instagram 741 00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:18,160 Speaker 1: we are conspiracy stuff. Show and most importantly honestly, all YouTube, 742 00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:22,319 Speaker 1: we are conspiracy stuff. Find us there, ay, and maybe 743 00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,880 Speaker 1: you don't like social media, that's cool, we understand. Do 744 00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,960 Speaker 1: you like phones and your mouth? If both of those 745 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,480 Speaker 1: things sound jolly good to you, then why not give 746 00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,719 Speaker 1: us a call? Say it with us one eight three 747 00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,600 Speaker 1: three st d w y t K. You'll hear a 748 00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,520 Speaker 1: familiar voice in a beep like so beep that tells 749 00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,120 Speaker 1: you you're in the right place. Then you will have 750 00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,160 Speaker 1: three minutes. Those minutes are yours? Go nuts, get weird 751 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,799 Speaker 1: with it, Give yourself that nickname you always wanted. We 752 00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,359 Speaker 1: love monikers and appellations and a K A S. Tell 753 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,080 Speaker 1: us what's on your mind. And quick pro tip here, 754 00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,360 Speaker 1: because we may occasionally called back for more infra nation, 755 00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,480 Speaker 1: why not save the number in your phone so it's 756 00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:07,560 Speaker 1: not just a random series of digits calling you. Because 757 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:12,320 Speaker 1: you may be called upon. Most importantly, uh and I 758 00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,080 Speaker 1: says is a fan of reading. If you have a 759 00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,319 Speaker 1: story that needs more than three minutes, don't hesitate to 760 00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,360 Speaker 1: write it out. 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