WEBVTT - Short Stuff: The Iowa Caucus

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, you welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh, there's Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>there's Josh. Let's get it started. Yeah, let's get it started.

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<v Speaker 1>And here got timely episode. We are rarely recording to

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<v Speaker 1>release the next day. So I was like, hey, man,

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<v Speaker 1>let's do something super newsy. What's something that's super newsy

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<v Speaker 1>that's not impeachment? And uh, it turns out that the

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<v Speaker 1>Iowa caucus is getting a little news. Yeah, just a tad.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy, like we thought that we would have the

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<v Speaker 1>results to talk about. Nope, I know because I pitched

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<v Speaker 1>this yesterday and the day of the caucus, woke up

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<v Speaker 1>this morning too S show and Iowa as the headline

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<v Speaker 1>cluster f crazy. Yeah, but um, we're talking about caucuses

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<v Speaker 1>in the Io caucus, uh, and why it's important and

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<v Speaker 1>where it came from. We should define caucus because a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people think are just like, what does that

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<v Speaker 1>even mean? Well, I mean, for good reason. It's it's weird.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of an old timey thing, a relic, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's hill still in use in Iowa. Uh, caucus that

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<v Speaker 1>was a meeting. This is the strict definition websters to

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<v Speaker 1>find caucus as a meeting in which local members of

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<v Speaker 1>a political party register their preference among candidates running for office,

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<v Speaker 1>uh or select delegates to attend to convention. Right. But

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<v Speaker 1>the thing about a caucus is it's not like just

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<v Speaker 1>going to vote, that's a primary. A caucus is where

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<v Speaker 1>you are physically present in the room, like that meeting

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<v Speaker 1>you described, and the way that you show at least

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<v Speaker 1>as far as the Democrats caucus in Iowa, the way

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<v Speaker 1>that you show you are planning to support or vote,

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<v Speaker 1>most normal people would call it for a candidate is

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<v Speaker 1>you go stand in a portion of the room that's

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<v Speaker 1>been set aside for that candidate supporters and their names

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<v Speaker 1>like on the wall or something like that. It's so

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<v Speaker 1>needs to go away. Okay, that's just step one. That's

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<v Speaker 1>my opinion, of course. But it's just so dumb. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it is such a dumb way to do it. And

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<v Speaker 1>you can tell, like I was fiercely defensive about its

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<v Speaker 1>caucus tradition, I don't, I don't. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>go on record as saying like I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to survive, and you know, until it is

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<v Speaker 1>under some serious threat of not more, it's more it's

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<v Speaker 1>more at risk than it ever has been after last night. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>ironically by trying to modernize caucus. Right, So we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>to all that. Okay, So so you go stand by

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<v Speaker 1>your delegates name, and if enough other people who are

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<v Speaker 1>present at that caucus go stand with you by the

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<v Speaker 1>delegates name. That delegate is a viable candidate. Usually that

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<v Speaker 1>means they have about or more of the room. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if your candidate that you want to go stand under

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<v Speaker 1>a sign of in a high school gym is not

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<v Speaker 1>considered viable, you can go join another group. You can

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<v Speaker 1>try and recruit people, say hey, man, stand under this sign,

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<v Speaker 1>come ye, or you can go home if you want

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<v Speaker 1>a right, that was my candidate. Right, there's only like

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<v Speaker 1>eight other people here standing under the Yang team sign.

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<v Speaker 1>Yang had more than they. Yeah, of course you did.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're thinking of Biden. But yeah, that is

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<v Speaker 1>how they run. The Democrats run the Iowa Caucus, Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>and the GOP or the Republican National Convention. They they

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<v Speaker 1>just vote like a regular old primary. Right, And like

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<v Speaker 1>you were saying, ironically, they tried to modernize the caucus,

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<v Speaker 1>the Iowa Caucus, and that's what caused this huge problem

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<v Speaker 1>with an app isn't there right. Well, originally they were

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<v Speaker 1>going to have virtual caucuses. They decided not to. The

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<v Speaker 1>the d n C rejected Iowa's planning to have a

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<v Speaker 1>virtual caucus where you could go online and be like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm standing in the yang Gang room, so I'm caucusing

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<v Speaker 1>for yang Um. This was This was rejected by the

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<v Speaker 1>d n C S two. They had too high of

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<v Speaker 1>a potential to be hacked. But they still did use

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<v Speaker 1>an app to tally these delegates and apparently it was

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<v Speaker 1>not doing what it was supposed to do. At least

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<v Speaker 1>this is the official line. Um. Everybody is saying, No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's everybody from Russia to the d n C engaging

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of terrible stuff. Regardless, this app apparently really

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<v Speaker 1>screwed up the caucus and in an attempt to modernize

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<v Speaker 1>the caucus, that actually set it back, possibly drove it

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<v Speaker 1>to extinction. Yeah, I mean, they're saying the app did

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<v Speaker 1>not crash, and then there's other people saying the app

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<v Speaker 1>totally crashed, So I don't know who to believe. The

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<v Speaker 1>long and short of it is, we usually wake up

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<v Speaker 1>on the following day of the Iowa Caucus with a

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<v Speaker 1>decent idea of who the top three candidates are are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be going into primary season. But we woke

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<v Speaker 1>up this morning with no idea and I just looked

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<v Speaker 1>on my phone. The breaking news is that in two

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<v Speaker 1>hours from now, they will have fift of the results

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<v Speaker 1>released by five pm Eastern. Yeah. Usually you don't even

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<v Speaker 1>have to wait. Yeah, you wake up and you're like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but no, no, I mean, like like you don't even

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<v Speaker 1>have to go to sleep. They usually report within a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of hours. If you're in the eastern Eastern time zone,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you're in the Western time zone, you

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<v Speaker 1>might know like you're in a cheeseburger getting all the results,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Yeah, so it's been a big embarrassment. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>But maybe we should take a break and talk a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit why the Iowa Caucus is important. To begin with,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not, alright, Chuck. This is one thing that that

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<v Speaker 1>makes the Iowa Caucus so at risk right now because

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<v Speaker 1>of this um problem that came out of caucus. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it is artificially important. The Iowa Caucus is not actually,

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<v Speaker 1>when you dig down into it, substantially important in any

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<v Speaker 1>real way. It is important, but it's important because the

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<v Speaker 1>media has made it important over the years. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>It is. Uh, well, first of all, it is it's

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<v Speaker 1>not the most diverse state in our union. That's one

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<v Speaker 1>criticism of the Iowa caucus. Yeah, I saw like apparently

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<v Speaker 1>the caucus goers were white. Yeah, largely rural bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>white people standing around in gym. Yeah. Uh, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>but people and I are going to be so mad

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<v Speaker 1>at us, but it's antiquated. I'm sorry, I saw, I

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<v Speaker 1>saw that. They're sorry, just real quick. Two things. Last night,

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<v Speaker 1>there were at least two ties, and so to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out how to divide dell it gets to break, a

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<v Speaker 1>tie of coin was flipped and a name was drawn

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<v Speaker 1>out of a hat. Wow, that's how they broke ties

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<v Speaker 1>with the Iowa caucus last night to decide delicates for

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<v Speaker 1>the state. Okay, I'm sorry, now that's that's unbelievable. But

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<v Speaker 1>then again, what's more diplomatic than a coin toss? Then

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<v Speaker 1>get any more than that? Are you ready for some football?

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<v Speaker 1>So two, Senator George McGovern was running for president. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>he did a pretty good job at the Iowa Caucus

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<v Speaker 1>and that was good for his campaign. And it was

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<v Speaker 1>sort of the first year that the media really put

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<v Speaker 1>a lot into this On reporting on it, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think from like V two is sort of looked at

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<v Speaker 1>as the watershed moment of when the media would come

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<v Speaker 1>out the next day and start start saying things like

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<v Speaker 1>dark horse and front runner, and the media has it's maddening,

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<v Speaker 1>but the media has such inf elements on the way

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<v Speaker 1>people vote, and not just by saying like here's sus

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<v Speaker 1>person's policies. Is people saying like, oh, I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to vote for the dark horse, sure, and like who's

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<v Speaker 1>the front runner? I might be interested in that person precisely.

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<v Speaker 1>It's absolutely true. It's all fake. They can influence voting

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<v Speaker 1>um or caucusing, not just by releasing polls, but by

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<v Speaker 1>withholding polls. Right. So um, this nineteen seventy two is

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<v Speaker 1>a big year. And the reason why it's because it

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<v Speaker 1>was the first year that Iowa became the first in

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<v Speaker 1>the nation. That's why I was sure. It's the first

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<v Speaker 1>time that voters have any chance anywhere in the country

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<v Speaker 1>to say, this is what I think about all these

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<v Speaker 1>primary candidates who have been jabbering at each other the

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<v Speaker 1>last few months. I'm gonna stand over here, We're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>see where the rubber, right, We're gonna see where the

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<v Speaker 1>rubber meets the road for the first time. I was

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<v Speaker 1>the first at that and it became first for two reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen seventy two, the GOP decreed that you had

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<v Speaker 1>to have you had to give thirty days notice before

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<v Speaker 1>any kind of um, any kind of caucus or primary

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<v Speaker 1>was held, and apparently that meant that Iowa had to

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<v Speaker 1>move their caucus closer to the beginning of the year.

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<v Speaker 1>And then secondly, they couldn't get a hotel for the convention,

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<v Speaker 1>the Iowa State Convention at a time when they wanted it,

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<v Speaker 1>so they again had to push the caucus back, so

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<v Speaker 1>it inadvertently became the first in the nation. And they said, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's paying attention to Iowa. All of a sudden, We're

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<v Speaker 1>getting a disproportionate amount of interest from the national press

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<v Speaker 1>from these candidates that are coming to town spending money

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<v Speaker 1>um and we have influence politically because they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>listen to us. So we're gonna make a state law

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<v Speaker 1>that says Iowa has to be the first contest in

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<v Speaker 1>the nation no matter what, doesn't matter what any other

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<v Speaker 1>state does, Iowa has to figure out a way to

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<v Speaker 1>be first, Which doesn't mean there is a some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of federal rule that says you go first. That just

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<v Speaker 1>means it. In Iowa, they're like, well, if New Hampshire

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<v Speaker 1>wants to move it up a week, then we'll move

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<v Speaker 1>it up. Yeah, it's a state law there, and New

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<v Speaker 1>Hampshire has a state law as well that they're the

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<v Speaker 1>first primary. That's right. That's how i was gotten away

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<v Speaker 1>with it. There a caucus. New Hampshire is the first primary.

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<v Speaker 1>New Hampshire is like, we vote, we don't go stand

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<v Speaker 1>around in a gym. I saw a tweet apparently the

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<v Speaker 1>New Hampshire Democrats tweeted to the Iowa Democrats and said,

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<v Speaker 1>don't worry, We've got this. Really yeah, man, they So

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<v Speaker 1>that is why the Iowa caucus became such a big deal,

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<v Speaker 1>because their first. Because the media has an outsized influence

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<v Speaker 1>on elections. Whether or not it matters is a matter

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<v Speaker 1>of debate. Um. In the history of the caucuses, you've

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<v Speaker 1>never gone on to win the nomination if you finished

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<v Speaker 1>worse than third. But there have been cases where Bill

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<v Speaker 1>Clinton placed third. Uh, And you know, so it's not

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<v Speaker 1>like you gotta win Iowa. Look what happened to him. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>to term or impeached. Right, we went through it all.

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<v Speaker 1>He went through it all, the highs and the lows,

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<v Speaker 1>the good and the bad. Right. George McGovern the first

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<v Speaker 1>candidate in ninety two when Iowa was like the first

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<v Speaker 1>it was big, a big deal for the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>He came in first second, but and he got the nomination,

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<v Speaker 1>but he didn't win the presidency, So it's not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>that could have an indicator. Jimmy Carter won the presidency?

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<v Speaker 1>Did what? What place did he come in? Chuck, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>apparently he did a really good job at Iowa, because

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<v Speaker 1>he spent a lot of time there stumping for a year.

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<v Speaker 1>But it says that he was actually beaten by uncommitted

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<v Speaker 1>So the people who said that they hadn't chosen a

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<v Speaker 1>candidate yet outnumbered anybody supporting Jimmy Carter, which makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you just hear it like he got beaten

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<v Speaker 1>out by uncommitted, it's even that's so Jimmy Carter. It

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<v Speaker 1>really is. It's so nineteen seventies six Jimmy Carter, because

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<v Speaker 1>that guy has turned into one of the greatest statesmen

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<v Speaker 1>in living in Saints Great American history. The best thing

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<v Speaker 1>ever is being a like at a Braves game when

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<v Speaker 1>they showed Jimmy and Rosalin are at the game and

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<v Speaker 1>they're like oldest dirt and they always give each other

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<v Speaker 1>a kiss and everyone in the stadium melts. I know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's amazing. And she's always like got She's always cheering

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<v Speaker 1>on a hot dog or whatever, and she has to

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<v Speaker 1>like stop and swallow before she'll give Jimmy a kiss back.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's their thing. The other thing about Iowa is

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't do well there, then you might drop out,

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<v Speaker 1>or if you do surprisingly well there, um, then you

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<v Speaker 1>might you know, that could kick start or very much

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<v Speaker 1>will kick start your campaign again. So now we've reached

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<v Speaker 1>why Iowa is actually important. But again this is artificial

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<v Speaker 1>because the media putting labels on people. So the media

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<v Speaker 1>basically says, hey, this candidate is expected to do really well.

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<v Speaker 1>If that candidate doesn't do well in Iowa, the media says,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not a viable candidate. You should drop out.

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<v Speaker 1>That actually causes funding to dry up for the campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to give money to someone who's not viable, right,

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<v Speaker 1>the media said they're not viable. And then conversely, like

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<v Speaker 1>you said, if somebody is not expected to do well

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<v Speaker 1>and then does really well in Iowa. There can of

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<v Speaker 1>pain can just take off. That's what happened to Obama

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand eight. Oh Iowa made Obama in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand eight, right really launched that campaign. So all of

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff, again is just self fulfilling prophecy, which is

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<v Speaker 1>what makes so nuts that all of the Democratic candidates

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<v Speaker 1>spent so much time and so much money and so

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<v Speaker 1>much effort in Iowa to get this. I saw a

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<v Speaker 1>tweet from Glenn Greenwald actually basically laying this out to

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<v Speaker 1>get this artificial bump, and then the artificial bump didn't come,

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<v Speaker 1>which rendered the Iowa caucus totally unnecessary. The whole thing

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<v Speaker 1>was unnecessary. I think they're plowing ahead to New Hampshire.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of the candidates were we're claiming victory and

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<v Speaker 1>sort of backhanded ways not backhanded, but um just sort

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<v Speaker 1>of they couldn't come out and say we won. But

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<v Speaker 1>every single one of them were like, oh, I think

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<v Speaker 1>we just we did very well tonight. Right, They were like,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanna I want to congratulate my fellow nominees on

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<v Speaker 1>coming in second. Yeah, everyone kind of claimed victory because

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<v Speaker 1>no one could not. Everybody claimed victory. Well, some people

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<v Speaker 1>clearly could not. The people are in that gym uncommitted. Yeah. Um, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to know more about the Iowa Caucus,

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<v Speaker 1>you better find out about it now because it might

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<v Speaker 1>not be around next time. Maybe not. We'll see what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess. Well, let's just say short, stuff appen. Stuff

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