1 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: The show goes on. This is the official show on 2 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: the Fish on First podcast channel with me Eli Sussman, 3 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:25,159 Speaker 1: the founder of Fish on First, where we provide you 4 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: complete coverage of your Miami Marlins. Once again, vibes are 5 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: high according at a really fun time. 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Names on my 51 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: mind Sandy al Contra, A sous Lozardo Braxton, Garrett, Edward Cabrera, 52 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:14,399 Speaker 1: Aori Perez, and Trevor Rodgers six names. Conventionally only five 53 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: spots for them in a Major league starting rotation, but 54 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 1: people love the idea of a six man rotation and 55 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: what it could mean. For whatever reason, it's always been 56 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: a very appealing concept. It's one that Marlins have rarely implemented, 57 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: especially during a time of the year where they're still competitive. 58 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: It's usually something that's more of an evaluation period, and 59 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: in this case, it's a little bit of both for 60 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: the Marlins. If they were to take this step, as 61 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: Trevor Rodgers nearest his return to the majors, and as 62 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: each of the five guys that are in the current 63 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: Marlins rotation show varying degrees of upside. I like the 64 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: idea of a temporary six man Marlins rotation. That's what 65 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: this episode is going to be on. Catching up on 66 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: the Trevor Rodgers situation and his rehab and exactly how 67 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: this roster would fit together, and why you know you 68 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: go in this direction. This is I think there's a 69 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: little chance this could actually happen. They'll probably not be 70 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: in the way that I present it. As usual, the 71 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: fun of the show is me throwing ideas against the 72 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: wall and seeing what sticks. So on the other side 73 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: of the break, we'll get into all things six man 74 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: rotation with your Miami Marlins moving forward. Stick with me. 75 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: So let's pull up Trevor right here, familiar face. Haven't 76 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: seen him in Majors for a month and a half 77 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: at this point. He has been out with a they 78 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: originally called that a biceps issue. Only pull up a 79 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: full recent transactions log on Trevor to get us caught 80 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: up on the same page. So Trevor is the one 81 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: that hasn't been in this rotation for since mid April 82 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: and is steadily working his way back. So the full timeline. Remember, 83 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: he was an All Star in twenty twenty one. He 84 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: was on top of the world. He was the leader 85 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: for the NL Rookie of the Year, had a minor 86 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: injury scare right after that, and then what in my opinion, 87 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: has been the turning point of his career was an 88 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,239 Speaker 1: unfortunate family situation. He took a lead from the team, 89 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: initially for a few days and it turned into i 90 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: think almost two weeks because of a COVID outbreak over 91 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: in New Mexico, where most of his family were from. 92 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: So he lost his grandparents in that, and he nearly 93 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: lost his mother, but she was able to pull through. 94 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: He was away from the team, he worked his way 95 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: back and from that point forward, from the September of 96 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one to the present day, he has just 97 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: been a different pitcher. Prior to that, during that first 98 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: portion of his Rookie of the Year candidacy, he was 99 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: in the mid twentes with an era and he had 100 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: a More importantly, it looks sustainable. He had the peripherals 101 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: to match. He was doing such a good job with 102 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: his fastball up in the zone getting whiffs, and then 103 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: get both getting whiffs and getting cold strikes on the 104 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: corners and also getting chases with his nasty changeup. It 105 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: was really just on those two pitches and the uniqueness 106 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: of his delivery, getting so much extension towards mound towards 107 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: home plate, and also releasing the ball in such a 108 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 1: way that was difficult to pick up. It just seemed 109 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: like such a safe profile moving forward with him based 110 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: on that foundation, and he has not been able to 111 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: recapture it, really for more than a single start at 112 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: a time ever since late twenty twenty one. Ever since then, 113 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: it's been an issue with both run prevention and going 114 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: deep into games. And that's a concept that I'm going 115 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: to touch on again soon with the rest of this 116 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: Marlins rotation. That is, those are the two things you 117 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 1: look for when evaluating a starting pitcher. Is how deep 118 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: into the game do you go? And then how do 119 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 1: you prevent runs during the ens when you're actually on 120 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,679 Speaker 1: the mounds. He really has not done well in either 121 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: of those facets since returning from that emergency family leave. 122 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: There have been a couple of injuries in between. He's 123 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: out with an injury right now. We remember last year. 124 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: I think the opinion is that that may have been 125 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: a phantom injury with his back after in the middle 126 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty two season. Then even at the 127 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: end of twenty twenty two. He was showing some promise 128 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: during that final stretch of last season, but then suffered 129 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: a minor left lat strain. He's able to recover from 130 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: that without any surgery. He came back this year toying 131 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: around with I'll show you just in a moment that 132 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: he has been experimenting even before this injury, answered Camp 133 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: talking about his sinker. Now, he had so much success 134 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: with his forcing fastball when he was having success in 135 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, not so much last year. Even though 136 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: the velocity was the same, even though the commands was 137 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: well occasionally the same, it kind of went in and 138 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: out either way. He saw. The importance Initially was the 139 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: slider that he was tweaking entering last year, and the 140 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: results on that weren't particularly encouraging. He entered this year 141 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: adding a fourth pitch of the mix in this sinker, 142 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: and his usage of it was a lot higher than 143 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: I actually remembered his first year. Starts of this year, 144 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: it was close to twenty percent you see eating at 145 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: the four seam usage that he previously had, and taking 146 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: also a little bit away from that slider that just 147 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: didn't click the way that he thought it would. And 148 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: so the ideal was with this four seam fastball, it 149 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: wasn't overpowering guys like it did initially in twenty twenty one, 150 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 1: So instead of chasing whiffs with his velocity, also having 151 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: this pitch in a sinker where you can get steel 152 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: cold strikes, where you could get that movement as a 153 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: lefty sinking back, allowing him to pitch inside to lefties 154 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: and also in a way to perhaps get back door 155 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: strikes against right handed for a guy that was relying 156 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: a lot on whiffs when he was successful on that 157 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: four seamer, and to chase the change about of the zone. 158 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: It's not really a change up that he lands for strike. 159 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: It's more of one that dives very suddenly towards the 160 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: end and he realizes on people chasing outside the zone. 161 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: So I kind of like this idea of adding a 162 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: sinker to the mix that gets you those called strikes 163 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 1: and kind of completes the equation of how to get 164 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: batters out. It wasn't particularly exciting early on in the year. 165 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: So in this whole sample connecting the end to twenty 166 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: twenty one with the start twenty twenty three, he's had 167 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,839 Speaker 1: an ER near five. That's why pitching half your games 168 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: an extremely hit picture friendly Lone Debo Park, he had 169 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: an ERA right near five. The peripherals were more encouraging. 170 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: It was almost a full run lower his fip in 171 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: the three nines during that span. But I've seen just 172 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: about every single one of those starts, and I think 173 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: it was clear that this is a picture that was 174 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: still searching for exactly what he's trying to do, who 175 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: was consistently not executing in situations with runners on base, 176 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: And I don't know if that was more. I don't 177 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: think he could just chop that down to bad luck 178 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 1: with somebody that just didn't know exactly what he wanted 179 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: to do in those most important spots. And even though 180 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: the quality of his stuff seemed really similar to what 181 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: it had previously been, that he didn't have a clear, 182 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: coherent adjustment to make now that he's been around the 183 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: league for a little while. So this is a player 184 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: that like, he's not entitled. I don't think to a 185 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: rotation spot right now just because he's coming off an il. 186 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: He has minor league options as well, and that's why 187 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: he had This is such a fascinating situation because he 188 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: has a lot more experience than a Yuri Perez and 189 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: the performance of Edward Caprera has left something to be 190 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: desired to this point in the season. So we'll get 191 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: to that in a moment. You have these two guys 192 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: that are somewhat vulnerable for various reasons, but you the 193 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: guy that's returning to seemingly take a spot. He also 194 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 1: has his very apparent flaws. He's had this really extended 195 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: stress of just not going deep into games, very seldom 196 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 1: getting even through the sixth ending, and then just giving 197 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: up a whole lot of runs. The strikeouts have been down, 198 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: and it's good to see he is experimenting with this. 199 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: And now what makes things really interesting with Trevor is 200 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: that he is pitching well on this rehab assignment. He 201 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: bullied some kids in Low A during his first rehab start. 202 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: They moved up to Triple A on the road in 203 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 1: Triple A Durham against Rays prospects, a very good offensive team, 204 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: and he went five scoreless innings. So let's watch and 205 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: listen to some highlights of Trevor's rehabs start on Sunday 206 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: against Triple A Durham. 207 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 2: So it strike count and the pitch SA. He chases 208 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 2: up high and Rogers disposes of him very easily on 209 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 2: three six foot five inch lean left hand or highlight 210 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 2: kick and Cardads pops one up near the right field line. 211 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 2: Running down the line is hen Carnassion and Edwards calls 212 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 2: him off in fair territory to two to Wholesizer is 213 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 2: hitting the ground is short right at Amaya comes up 214 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,079 Speaker 2: on a tough hop and he eases to throw across 215 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 2: and the inning is over. 216 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: And that's what happened. 217 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 2: Hence Jacksonville didn't get the call. One two pitch of 218 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 2: fastball beats Danie, so that money is being redistributed in 219 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 2: increased salaries apartments. In that strike on the outside corner 220 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 2: punches out Meiser, and the Bulls are going to challenge this. 221 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 2: As Jacksonville begins to depart the field, it was called 222 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 2: strike three by John Bak and this is the first 223 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 2: challenge of the day, and the animation coming in and 224 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 2: it is strike three. 225 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: I wanted to include a automatic ball strike challenge in 226 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: there for people that are unfamiliar with that's a that's 227 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: in play during Triple A weekend games this season, so 228 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: he was able to uphold a call of his on 229 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: that during his rehab start on Sunday, and that was 230 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: against Cam Meisner, the former Marlins prospect draft pick. It 231 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: was impressive in the pitch mix he used in this outing, 232 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: really drum my attention. He was relying very heavily on 233 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,319 Speaker 1: his four seemer in this one. I think over seventy 234 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: percent of his whole pitches and a handful of change ups. 235 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: It was almost exclusively between the four seamer and the changeup, 236 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: just a little sprinkling of the slider in the two seamers. 237 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: So I'm not sure what that's going to mean moving forward. 238 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: Trevor five scoreless endings, one hit, one walk, five strikeouts 239 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: can say great Triple A lineup, which is not the 240 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: same as a great major league lineup, but still and 241 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: relatively efficient with his seventy pitches. That is going to 242 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: be one of the keys with Trevor moving forward is 243 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: even if the run prevention never comes close to being 244 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: what it was as a rookie in the mid twos, 245 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 1: from an er perspective, he needs to be more efficient. 246 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: He can't be constantly getting fouled off, worked into deep 247 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: counts and then constantly getting stuck in the fourth and 248 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: fifth ending the way that he was in twenty twenty two. 249 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 1: Needs to be efficient with this stuff, for better or 250 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: for worse, because that is almost as big as an equation. 251 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: How long you're out there is almost as important as 252 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: being out there in the first place. Now, just to 253 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: circle back to the rest of the guys that are 254 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: in this current Marlins group I name them to begin with, 255 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: this has been a relatively disappointing unit just because of 256 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: how high the expectations were. We were counting on this 257 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: Marlin's rotation to be the number one strength of the 258 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: entire team. And to this point, I guess you'd have 259 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: to say that Lozardo has been the best performer of 260 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: the group, but even him recently has been trending in 261 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: a kind of concerning direction. With him, there hasn't been 262 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: like any unadulterated shining star of this group other than 263 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: Yuri in a small sample, and with him having a 264 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: very tight leash to begin with, where you know with him, 265 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: he's not going to work deep insive games during the endings. 266 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: He's been on the mounds, he's been getting outs. But 267 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: then the underlying stats are concerning in that regard by 268 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: fielder independent pitching, all these guys are in the same neighborhood. 269 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: I mean, Lozard is at three six nine and Perez 270 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: actually has the highest FIP of the entire group about 271 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: four to nine, and everybody else is in between. Then 272 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: they're all slightly better than league average under the hood 273 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: moving forward, and I think you can expect at least 274 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: of most of them to continue that moving forward. With 275 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: Edward Cabrera, he is so tough to get a handle 276 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: on because you can just never know when he's going 277 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: to have control whatsoever. He had amazing control against the 278 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: Oakland A's this passed outing. That's probably the weakest appointment 279 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: he's going to face all year, And so with these 280 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: other ones. Braxton Garrett has been great this year, with 281 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: the exception of one outing where he was turned in 282 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: the worst starting pitching performance of any Marlins pitcher all 283 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: year against the Braves. So that was like the one 284 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: game where he totally took the team out of any 285 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: chance to win even But besides that, I think he's 286 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: done a lot to amend it. It's a group that 287 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: shows some promise moving forward, and ultimately we can quibble 288 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: about these fifth and sixth starter spots all we wants. 289 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: I don't think things This doesn't really matter unless Sandy 290 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: turns things around and Sandy looks at least like his 291 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: career norms, if not his twenty twenty two form. Yet 292 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: another really bizarre outing on Sunday where he allows a 293 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: five spot in the one inning against the Oakland A's, 294 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: and the other six innings he pitched before and after 295 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: he was nearly perfect. So he is so hard to 296 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: figure out, and I continue to be relative optimistic about 297 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,479 Speaker 1: him moving forward. But now twelve starts into his season 298 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: with him being an average ish pitcher, below average from 299 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 1: run prevention standpoint, above average from the endings that he's 300 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: eating with this group. The concern, the one thing that 301 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: I don't think Trevor solves immediately, even if you're on 302 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: min here is the lack of volume that they're eating. 303 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: Sandy is still giving you six and the third endings 304 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: per start. That's very good, but other than that, you're 305 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: just not getting length, some of it because these guys 306 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 1: don't perform, but others just because how the organization is 307 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: managing them. Braxon Garrett several times already has been yanked 308 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 1: really abruptly, even when he's efficient with his pitches, even 309 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: when he's cruising, just because this team is really skeptical 310 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: about him having success facing hitters a third time, and 311 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: with Yuri that's even a more extreme example. They just 312 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:54,719 Speaker 1: don't seem to have any willingness of letting him go 313 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: beyond ninety pitches. They just drew this line in order 314 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: to wretch out his endings over the course of the 315 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: season as much as possible. A twenty year old body 316 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: that isn't usually ever given a chance to pitch the 317 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: big league so soon the fact that he is, they 318 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 1: want to keep him around as long as possible. With 319 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: this team, it's gonna be really tricky regardless if none 320 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: of these guys go deep into games like Sandy does, 321 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: the management adaptation will be needed, I think, kind of regardless, 322 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: and especially if they try out this six man idea, 323 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: where if you're going to carry six starters, you're almost 324 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: certainly going to carry seven relievers. You lose one reliever 325 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: in that group, and that means there are certain days 326 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: where you're just going to have to use fewer relief 327 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: arms than you have been this point in the season, 328 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: and I think they can do this. I think they 329 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: should do this starting immediately now. This is the part 330 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: that has almost zero chance of going through. This is 331 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: just my fantasy right here about the hypothetical six man 332 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: rotation starting immediately. It seems the plan is for Trevor 333 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 1: to have one more rehab start before rejoining the group. 334 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: In my eyes, he doesn't need that rehab start, and 335 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 1: I think this is actually the perfect portion of the 336 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 1: season to roll out this six man idea. The six 337 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: man is never a permanent solution, and it's never really 338 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: an ideal solution. I think for this Marlins team, you 339 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 1: want to do it right now for a variety of reasons. 340 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: It's a relatively soft portion of their schedule, as we've 341 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: talked about before, starting at this moment with the Royals 342 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: on the home stands, and then concluding a couple weeks 343 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: from now with this road trip that includes the White Sox, 344 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: the Mariners, and the Nationals. The Mariners being the clear 345 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: best team of this group, but one that has been 346 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: really underwhelming offensively. There have been some list surprisingly excellent 347 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: performances against them, even from non stand out pitchers. So 348 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 1: I would go into the six man rotation immediately, and 349 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna explain why. One is that Roger stretched 350 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: out to seventy pitches. So you'd think in his next 351 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: outing they'd let him go about eighty five in his 352 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,959 Speaker 1: first start back maximum if things go as long as 353 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: things go relatively smoothly with him up to eighty five 354 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: and up to about six innings, and I think he 355 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: could do that against the White Sox. This is a 356 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: soft landing spot for Trevor because the White Sox have 357 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: the lowest walk rate in the majors, lower than anybody, 358 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: and they're right down there, I think seconds to the 359 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,719 Speaker 1: bottom and pitches per played appearance for somebody in Trevor 360 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: that has been struggling a lot with that efficiency in 361 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: the big leagues the last year and a half, almost 362 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: two years, I think that's a pretty ideal matchup to 363 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: bring him into. And then if you played out six 364 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: more games later, his next start would be against the 365 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 1: Washington Nationals team that's showed some life offensive a few 366 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: weeks ago, but now they're kind of reverting back to 367 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: a little bit closer to what we thought they would 368 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: be with this Marlins team. One thing I spoke about, 369 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: I think it was two weeks ago on the pod 370 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 1: was the idea of having Nick Fourtes takeover as a 371 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: clear top catcher here, including catching Sandy. That was one 372 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,239 Speaker 1: that I knew was somewhat of a pipe dream. And 373 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: to this point, the pattern has been very clear with 374 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: how the Marlins are managing their catching situation. They have 375 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: Stallings catching Sandy and Edward exclusively, and they have four 376 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: Test catching everybody else. So the way that shakes out 377 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 1: right now is four test catching sixty percent of the games. 378 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 1: That's nice. I'd like it to be a little bit higher, 379 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: and I think this is a pathway to make it higher. 380 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 1: For whatever reasons, they have to continue pairing Stallings with 381 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: Edward and Sandy. All right, But now if you have 382 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: six starters, and that means you have four opportunities every 383 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: turn of the rotation to have somebody else catching. Yeah, 384 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: So that's where Fortes comes in, and this idea I'll honor, 385 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: I'll respect whatever reasons the Marlins have behind it. Dev 386 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: Stongs continue to start whenever Edward is in there, whenever 387 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: Sandy is there, and then you give Fortes catching Garrett, Lizardo, 388 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: Perez and Rogers. So you do the math four out 389 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: of every six or two thirds of the Marlins games, 390 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 1: you get four tes in the lineup as catcher. And 391 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 1: the particular way that I assemble it. You can see 392 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: it on YouTube and you can see it on fish 393 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: on first dot com if you want to click over 394 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: to the site's version of it. Is that I separate Uri. 395 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: You know, I separate Edward in Sandy by an extra day. 396 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: Those things are set up right now, there's only one 397 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: spot in between them. So I would insert Krevor on 398 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: June tenth, right before Sandy's next outing, and then doing that, yeah, 399 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: you create a couple of days in between where I 400 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 1: think you could go pretty strictly with these battery pairings, 401 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: where you can continue to pair Edward and Sandy the Stallings, 402 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: and you can have four tests of everybody else. And 403 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: the way it plays out is it's two on one off. 404 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: You have two days of four test catching and then 405 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: one with stallings catching, and then two four test one 406 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: with stallings, and that's I think that's very reasonable from 407 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 1: a rest and recovery standpoint. One thing we didn't get 408 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: into is how inexperienced these pitchers are. I mean, Sandy 409 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: is the iron Man and everybody else is the on 410 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 1: the other end of the spectrum where they have never 411 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: been pushed for a full major league season as starting pitchers. 412 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: None of them have gone past about one hundred and 413 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: thirty innings in any season to this point. As things 414 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: currently line up, almost all of them, well all of 415 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: them are on track, with the exception of Trevor, all 416 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: the others on track to shatter previous season highs for 417 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: innings pitch in a year. With Lozardo, he's on pace 418 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 1: to pitch about one hundred and eighty or so if 419 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: I have that right, one hundred and seventy five. With Edward, 420 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: he's on pace to bitch about a one point fifty. 421 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: With Braxton, he's on paced pitch one forty something. So 422 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: that is, you want them to get close to full 423 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: season workloads in order to prepare them for future years. 424 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: At the same time, this team, just as this organization 425 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: now feels kind of comfortable with their rotation depth that's available, 426 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 1: you don't want to push them far enough to reinjury. 427 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: So the six man rotation for this short term that 428 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: just you know, as it plays out, it probably takes 429 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 1: away one extra start that they would ordinarily have By 430 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: the end of the season, and it gives them that 431 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 1: extra time in between where you can just manage their 432 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: endings over the course of the year. Well, I should 433 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 1: have mentioned with Perez, so he's thrown twenty four innings 434 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: in the big leagues, how many d through We threw 435 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: a little bit more than that in Double A, and 436 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: this is career high. Last year he threw eighty three 437 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: total endings if you include a playoff start that he 438 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: made on top of what he did during the course 439 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: of the regular season. He is Yeah, he is just 440 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: so far ahead of anything that he's accustomed to doing. 441 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: But yet he's he's so good and for the moment, 442 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: health does not appear to be an issue whatsoever. You know, 443 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: his fastball is sitting ninety eight miles an hour his 444 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: last couple starts, and his commands has been great as well, 445 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: So any like sign of fatigue is just non existent 446 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: right now. I think on everybody's behalf, it makes sense 447 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: to get them that extra day of rest that they're 448 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: accustomed to intead a five man this is the math 449 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: is pretty easy here. When it's a six man rotation, 450 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: it's one additional day that all these guys get in 451 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: between their starts than what they're accustomed to doing, and considering, 452 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: you know, the lack of track record that these guys 453 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: have going the full year, Like, I think this just 454 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: makes sense to keep everybody in a mandible range as 455 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: this year goes on. And with Sandy, if he was 456 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: pitching like his twenty twenty two form, you'd want him 457 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 1: on the mound as often as recentably as possible. But 458 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: he's not doing that. There has not been like this 459 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 1: entire year. There just is not that complete start from him, 460 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: unless see I guess you can count the shutout that 461 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: he threw even that one kind of I was a 462 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 1: little bit underwhelmed by kind of everything that we've seen 463 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: from him this year, where he's just he's not so 464 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: definitively your best pitcher from a run prevention standpoint, even 465 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: if he is, of course still the leader of the 466 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 1: rotation and the one that is eating those valuable lettings. 467 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 1: I think it's fine to give him that extra day. 468 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: I don't think that makes like a huge I don't 469 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: think that's a huge detriment to the team's competitive chances. 470 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: To go with this and to every to have that 471 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: additional arm in the rotation that might not be as 472 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 1: good as he is on talent level alone, but for 473 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 1: the time being, I don't think the drop off is 474 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: all that significant here. So yeah, we covered the impact 475 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 1: on the rest and recovery, on the catching situation, and 476 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: with Trevor in particular. I just think this is a 477 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 1: good evaluation period for these guys because you're gonna have 478 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 1: to make a choice relatively soon. It's not sustainable to 479 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: carry seven relievers forever in the near term future. I 480 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: just don't think there's going to be much of a 481 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: case to only be limited to seven relievers anyway, because 482 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: this bullpen has been really good. Floro is good, Huascar 483 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,959 Speaker 1: Brazavon is good. JT. Schagua is good. Stephen Okert has 484 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: been really good this year. Andrew Nardi, Andrew Nardi has 485 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: been awesome this year. Was that six Tanner Scott Tanner, 486 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: Scott's having a really good year as things have progressed, 487 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 1: and then you have Aj Puck coming back from the injured. 488 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 1: Probably by the time you're listening to this, Puck might 489 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: be officially reinstated from the IL. Matt Barnes just went 490 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: on the IL. He's kind of the last one here, 491 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: and I spoke at the top of the season how 492 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,360 Speaker 1: Barnes was towards you know that I saw him as 493 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 1: just a run of the mill middle reliever at this point. 494 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: He's not somebody that you're bending over backwards to have 495 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: on your roster. But I think he's serviceable. I think 496 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: he's solid. I think between Floro and Scott and Brazabon 497 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: and Okert and Shagua and Nardi and Puck and Barnes, 498 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: you have eight useful, complimentary relievers. So if they're all 499 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: healthy at the same time again, and you know, fingers 500 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: crossed that happens, that's not a certainty, but you have 501 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: seven of them healthy at this moment. When Puck gets activated, 502 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: so Barnes he's eligible to come back. And now like 503 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: eleven twelve days, and this is an injury, a hip 504 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: impingement for Barnes that typically doesn't last a whole lot 505 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: longer than the minimum I Els didn't. I think one's 506 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: Barns is ready to return. Then the Marlins might be 507 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:13,479 Speaker 1: already downsizing their rotation anyway, because you want those eight 508 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: relievers and they all have a role, and half of 509 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: them don't even have minor league options in the first place. 510 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: So That's another factor here is you know who could 511 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: be in the restaurant who can't. And that's the reason 512 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: why with this rotation, there's really not a whole lot 513 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: of pressure to have a five to a six man 514 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: at this moment, just because everybody has options. Everybody, every 515 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: starter in this Marlin's rotation has minor league options that 516 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: they could use if they wanted to. And that's what 517 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: I predict is going to happen. I don't think they're 518 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: going to go to a six man rotation imminently, and 519 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: I think it's still unlikely that they do it at all. 520 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: They simply send somebody down, whether it is Edward or 521 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: whether it's Perez, or whether it's keeping Rogers down there 522 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: until one of those guys slip up. But then going 523 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: back to my hypothetical plan in the meantime, I think 524 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: I'd love this. I think this would be a really 525 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: fascinating experiment over the course of a couple of weeks 526 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: to do two full turns through this six man rotation. 527 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: And if Eddie has a couple outings where he can't 528 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: find the strike zone, then I think you look at 529 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: to send him down. If Trevor is you know, twenty 530 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: twenty two Trevor over the course of a couple starts. 531 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: There's no reason why he has to be on a 532 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: super long leash at this point. You know he is. 533 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: There was a much bigger sample of him being mediocre 534 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: than there is of him being an all star caliber pitcher. 535 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: So the Marlins need to accept that reality and not 536 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: give him a spot he's not really entitled to. And 537 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: then there's Paris. I showed you there is that two 538 00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: run discrepancy between his era and his FIB. I know 539 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: it's been really impressive relative to his age, and I 540 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: have to say his last two outings have been his 541 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: two best, so he is trending in the right direction. 542 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: Things could change really quickly. These narratives could change very 543 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: suddenly with him. It's not the worst thing in the world. 544 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: If he does get hit around his next couple outings, 545 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: and if the Marlins still have this really stringent limitation 546 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: on how deep he can pitch in the games, it's 547 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: it still is. It's alright. Things are going to be 548 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: okay with him long term, even if he has to 549 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: even if he should go to triple A for a 550 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: little while. While these five other more experienced starters kind 551 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: of fill the void in the major leagues for an 552 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: indefinite period of time. But this is a comfortable situation 553 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: that they're in because of the ease of the upcoming 554 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: says well, and because how well Marlins have performed recently. 555 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: In fact, when Jazz Chishom Junior got hurt, I did 556 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: not foresee them going fourteen and seven in games that 557 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: he has not played this season. That's been really remarkable. 558 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: And that, combined with the fact that across the National 559 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,959 Speaker 1: League there just aren't a whole lot of great teams 560 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: at the moment, people should be really hopeful there is 561 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: a path for this team to make the playoffs. I 562 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: also do think they should balance, you know, the presence 563 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: and the future and finding out which of these non 564 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: Sandy starters is definitely going to be part of their 565 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: future rotation if you go to a six man for 566 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: the time being at this particular time, when you only 567 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: have seven healthy relievers that you really love. Just going 568 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: back to the roster outlook again, this is showing sixteen 569 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 1: pitchers for thirteen spots. We know that when Puck comes back, 570 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: they're going to send down George Soriano and then when now, 571 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: when Trevor comes up, who they send down They they 572 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: could send down one of those starters, or they could 573 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: send down Brian Hoeing. That's what I would do. I 574 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: would Brian Hoing has been nice, but he's not an 575 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: essential part of this major league pitching staff at the moment. 576 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: I would bring up Rogers, send down Hoeing, and then 577 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: when Matt Barnes comes back, assuming he comes back relatively soon, 578 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: then you have a good problem on your hands, assuming 579 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: that everybody performs in the meantime. It's going to rely 580 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: a six man rotation. It relies on a lot of 581 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: your relievers to be able to go multiple innings, and 582 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: the Marlins have done a good job preparing guys for that. 583 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: Everybody from Floro to Puck Tanner, Scott bras Abon especially, 584 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: Almost all these guys have had appearances this year of 585 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: more than one inning, and several of them have had 586 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: appearances of two full innings or more. So they're accustomed 587 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: to doing that and this stuff. This would be a 588 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: very tentative plan that could change in a hurry, either 589 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: when Barnes comes back or even sooner. If you have 590 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: back to back outing where guys go really short into 591 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: their outings and you need a fresh arm, then you 592 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: send down one of these starters and you bring in 593 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 1: a fresh armortually, not that dramatic. Anything you plan, the 594 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: best laid plans can be dashed relatively quickly. But I 595 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: think it's a worthy experiment in the meantime six man rotation. 596 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: That's what I would do. I do a couple of 597 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: turns of that and just see what you got. Because 598 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: once it comes tray deadline time, fingers crossed, Johnny Quato 599 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: is still out there doing stuff and he's back and 600 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: ready to pitch middle of the summer. Like they could have, 601 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,800 Speaker 1: they could be back in that situation where they actually 602 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 1: have some surplus of starting pitching. They are not there yet. 603 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 1: That's not what people should be thinking about. But this 604 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,280 Speaker 1: is a really potentially it could be a very valuable 605 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: evaluation period of these starting pitchers. That it's gonna be 606 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: crucial for this team to accomplish what once to accomplished. 607 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: It needs a better starting pitching production. So fascinating to 608 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: see whether that's gonna happen. Because I've been wrong. I 609 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,439 Speaker 1: was a little optimistic. It's very optimistic about to say 610 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: this rotation coming into the year and they have won 611 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 1: games at an im present clip even without getting the 612 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: production they were expecting from that group, and this is 613 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: a really critical time now to find out what they 614 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 1: have during a very mandible stretch. 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