Speaker 1: Look how it is only films to be buried with. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to films to be buried with. My name
Speaker 1: is Brett Goldstein and my comedian and actor, a writer
Speaker 1: director at Moonbeam, and I love films. As Jedediah Jenkins
Speaker 1: once said, the curious are always in for a good story,
Speaker 1: which is why I'll forever be inspired by Curious George
Speaker 1: three Back to the Jungle. It's a real classic. Every
Speaker 1: week I'm by a special guest over. I tell them
Speaker 1: they've died. Then I get them to discuss their life
Speaker 1: through the films that meant that most of them. Previous
Speaker 1: guests include Barry Jenkins, Kevin Smith, Sharon Stone, and even
Speaker 1: said Blambles. But this week it is the amazing and
Speaker 1: recently returned to Earth Real life world astronaut Jeanette Epps.
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Speaker 1: We talk secrets. We talked secrets of the Universe. We
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Speaker 1: at patreon dot com Forward slash Brett Goldstein. So. Jeanette
Speaker 1: Epps is known for her career as an astronaut, her
Speaker 1: role as a NASA mission specialist, and her history making
Speaker 1: appointment as the first African American woman to be assigned
Speaker 1: to a long duration mission aboard the International Space Station.
Speaker 1: Her accomplishments have earned her numerous accolades, including being named
Speaker 1: one of the one hundred most Influential Women in Space
Speaker 1: and receiving multiple honors for her contributions to science and engineering.
Speaker 2: I met Jeanette. I mean it was mad.
Speaker 1: Jeanette Epps was in space at the International Space Station
Speaker 1: and she had a request in which, for some mad reason,
Speaker 1: she wanted to talk to me on Zoom.
Speaker 2: So I zoomed with her.
Speaker 1: She was floating around in space with an incredible conversation,
Speaker 1: and amazingly, she told me she was a fan of
Speaker 1: the podcast, and I said to her, when she gets
Speaker 1: back to Earth, she has to do it. She got
Speaker 1: back to Earth and we recorded this. We did this
Speaker 1: on zoom. A couple of weeks ago. I think it's
Speaker 1: one of the all time great episodes. I mean, it
Speaker 1: takes ages before we get to a film because I'm
Speaker 1: asking her what it's like to be in fucking space?
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? How often do you
Speaker 1: get that opportunity? This was truly a very very special
Speaker 1: and incredible experience, and I really hope you enjoy it
Speaker 1: as much as I did, So that as it for now,
Speaker 1: I very much hope you enjoy episode three hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty seven of Films to be Buried With. Hello, and
Speaker 1: welcome to Films to be Buried With. It is me
Speaker 1: Brett Goldstein, and I am joined today by a scientist,
Speaker 1: a skywalker, a moon grazer, an International Space stationer, a
Speaker 1: floating human, a person who literally if I's gravity, a hero,
Speaker 1: a legend, a Marylander and earth Lander, and a space person.
Speaker 1: I can't believe she's here. She's a real genuine astronaut,
Speaker 1: the very first astronaut to be on the show. Could
Speaker 1: you believe it? She's right here, She's back on Earth. Please,
Speaker 1: welcome to the show. It's the amazing. It's to that EPs.
Speaker 2: You make me sound so.
Speaker 1: Great, pretty fucking grin Jeanette, welcome home.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad we're doing this. Shall we explain how
Speaker 1: I know you?
Speaker 2: Sure? I had watched Ted Lasso, and I watched the
Speaker 2: entire season, and I thought it was phenomenal. And when
Speaker 2: now did I wasn't setting you up to say that
Speaker 2: you were not. But you know, one thing I can't
Speaker 2: say is I did bring the shirt back unbelievable. So,
Speaker 2: in watching that show, I thought, if I had to
Speaker 2: select someone to chat with while in orbit, I would
Speaker 2: like to talk with the person who played where I
Speaker 2: can and just get insights from them because it was
Speaker 2: written so well. All the characters were so well developed,
Speaker 2: and I said, I would love to chat with someone
Speaker 2: like that while I'm in space, and that wouldn't just
Speaker 2: be entertaining, but who would be insightful? And so I
Speaker 2: selected you, and NASA reached out to you and we
Speaker 2: had a great conversation while I was in space. So
Speaker 2: it was awesome.
Speaker 1: So for the listener at home, if I get a
Speaker 1: message from NASA saying there's someone in this space station
Speaker 1: who would like to talk to you, I said, yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: what did they need? And we had a zoom while
Speaker 1: you were floating around the space station. And I felt
Speaker 1: bad because you had requested a conversation with me, But
Speaker 1: all I did was ask you everything and make you
Speaker 1: show me around the space station. But it was fucking
Speaker 1: amazing and I wish people could see your life. But
Speaker 1: let me ask you all the questions that I want
Speaker 1: to know that everyone wants to know. How long were
Speaker 1: you at this space station?
Speaker 2: I was there for two hundred and thirty three days,
Speaker 2: so almost eight months.
Speaker 1: Yeah, almost eight months. And the whole time what I
Speaker 1: saw that you showed me. You're floating the whole.
Speaker 2: Time time, never sitting down, never resting your head.
Speaker 1: You strap yourself into a sort of body bag to
Speaker 1: sleep right, and it's strapped to the wall.
Speaker 2: You're upright. Yep, exactly eight months.
Speaker 1: And the toilet situation, Yes.
Speaker 2: I did show you the toilet, did you did. It's
Speaker 2: a shot back. It's basically a back and clean.
Speaker 1: It's so fascinating and you and your flight it looks
Speaker 1: it looks very fun to move around like that, like
Speaker 1: you're flying like a saber. That looks fun. Does it
Speaker 1: stay fun? Is that a bit fun?
Speaker 2: It is fun? The only thing about zero gravity that
Speaker 2: I'm this was a good shower because the water doesn't
Speaker 2: pour down on you, it just kind of floats. So
Speaker 2: a good shower was all I missed.
Speaker 1: So what what how did you watch yourself just.
Speaker 2: With like towels, well the water when you so water floats.
Speaker 2: So what ends up happening is when you put it
Speaker 2: on your skin, it just kind of spreads out. You
Speaker 2: kind of wash off, and then you have to tee
Speaker 2: off again because you've got to get all the water
Speaker 2: off of you. Whereas here the water kind of flows
Speaker 2: down you kind of like fill the dirt washing away.
Speaker 2: In space, you kind of make sure you rub it
Speaker 2: all off.
Speaker 1: So tell me that. So you were there, you were
Speaker 1: in space. What I didn't know because I hadn't read
Speaker 1: the story when you showed me around you you introduced
Speaker 1: me to some people, and there were two people you
Speaker 1: said were visitors, and I didn't realize that they were
Speaker 1: the two people who had been Yes on Starlight. Forgive
Speaker 1: me forgetting the name wrong. Starlight was it?
Speaker 2: It was a starliner, Yeah, the Boeing star Starliner.
Speaker 1: Yes, they came to the space. They were supposed to
Speaker 1: be there for two days and they ended up. Are
Speaker 1: they still there?
Speaker 2: They are still there? They were supposed to when they came.
Speaker 2: They were supposed to be there at those eight days,
Speaker 2: that was the max. And then you know, two months later,
Speaker 2: three months later, and they're still there. They do not
Speaker 2: come back home until April. So yeah, yeah, how are
Speaker 2: they hoping? And how was it with them? Well, oh no,
Speaker 2: they are, Sonny and Butch a lot of fun. They
Speaker 2: added added a whole new dynamic to the space station
Speaker 2: while they were there, and it was Sunny is always
Speaker 2: a ball of joy, as you could see when she
Speaker 2: was entering the space station. And Butch is the consonant,
Speaker 2: you know, mister fix it. So we were pretty well
Speaker 2: together and we had a lot of fun at the
Speaker 2: same time.
Speaker 1: So it was and they're they're in good spirits given
Speaker 1: they aren't going home for la time.
Speaker 2: The people who work here on the ground, they're doing
Speaker 2: their best to make sure that they're fully employed and
Speaker 2: have lots of things to do. They have time to
Speaker 2: exercise and whatever they need. We could try to upmass
Speaker 2: on like the next thevehicle that a doctor station, so
Speaker 2: when we I'm not sure when they'll get the next
Speaker 2: stranch of goodies on orbit, but we try our best
Speaker 2: to make sure they're happy. They get to talk to
Speaker 2: their family every day if they want to like participate
Speaker 2: in things on Earth, virtually sure that they have all
Speaker 2: of those things, so that you know, it is kind
Speaker 2: of a you know, it kind of sucks that you
Speaker 2: know they's but it also it's also once in a
Speaker 2: lifetime thing and it's a unique experience that they'll have
Speaker 2: lots to talk about when they come back.
Speaker 1: How long does it take to get to the space
Speaker 1: station once.
Speaker 2: You take up, so it all depends on the vehicle
Speaker 2: that you end up riding on. So like the Soy used,
Speaker 2: it could take four hours once they launch, four hours
Speaker 2: they die, so they only do like two and a
Speaker 2: half orbits and then they dock for us because we
Speaker 2: flew on the Dragon. We were crewate on the Dragon
Speaker 2: SpaceX vehicle. We launched, then we had phasing. We had
Speaker 2: thirty hours of phasing and meaning we had to get
Speaker 2: into position in order to dock to the station. And
Speaker 2: so it all depends on the vehicle and the way
Speaker 2: that they've Most of the vehicles are autonomous, but it's
Speaker 2: based on the way that they've programmed the vehicle to
Speaker 2: autonomously fly to station. So we had thirty hours of
Speaker 2: feazing before we could actually dock a station. You're incredible.
Speaker 1: Tell me this. You're in that space station with five people,
Speaker 1: seven people there.
Speaker 2: So at one point in time there were up twelve
Speaker 2: people up there, so we had quite a few people
Speaker 2: at one time, but it would get down to like
Speaker 2: three Russians, and then we have four people in the
Speaker 2: US segment and so seven people. And then we had
Speaker 2: two visitors that made it nine. Had two more visitors
Speaker 2: come that made it eleven. Oh, we had a couple
Speaker 2: of visitors. So the most we had at one point
Speaker 2: in time was twelve people.
Speaker 1: It has such a long time to be in an
Speaker 1: inclined space with people, whoever they are. How do you
Speaker 1: cope with that part of it? That's the part I
Speaker 1: think I would find that how it is well.
Speaker 2: I think most people who are selected they understand that
Speaker 2: they have to be very flexible in a da And
Speaker 2: even though the people that you're with are not your family,
Speaker 2: they're not necessarily your friend, but you have a mission
Speaker 2: in common, and so you kind of rally around the
Speaker 2: fact that we have this great mission between us. We
Speaker 2: can talk about that and actually end up having a
Speaker 2: good time. I'm one person who you know, not one person,
Speaker 2: but several people I think you met some of them,
Speaker 2: like Tracy Dyson and Sonny william Sonny is one of
Speaker 2: the people who were She was on the star Liner.
Speaker 2: So we all kind of, you know, we would do
Speaker 2: our daily work, help each other as we need, and
Speaker 2: then nighttime we have dinner together and we'd have great conversations,
Speaker 2: try to laugh a lot, make sure we're keeping in
Speaker 2: contact with the earth as well. But you know, sometimes
Speaker 2: comms didn't work, so it would just be the group
Speaker 2: of us together, chatting and making jokes.
Speaker 1: And did you ever get sick and did you ever
Speaker 1: get depressed?
Speaker 2: Were you ever like I want to be aligned to that.
Speaker 2: I am, well, so, I guess because I'm an introvert.
Speaker 2: You know, in the evenings, at about nine thirty or ten,
Speaker 2: I would retreat to my crew quarters and you shut
Speaker 2: the door and you could have a bit of a
Speaker 2: loone time. I was very fortunate. I never got sick
Speaker 2: in space. I mean, I always had this ongoing thing
Speaker 2: with my sinuses. But that's because dust floats. Everything floats,
Speaker 2: and you're breathing it in. So most people would have
Speaker 2: some kind of congestion because you're breathing in a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff that floats around. So I was really fortunate.
Speaker 2: I was never truly sick on orbit, and you know
Speaker 2: of us are pretty healthy, so no one really got sick.
Speaker 2: Some thing's happen, you know, someone may get a cut
Speaker 2: and they We did have one person cut themselves and
Speaker 2: had to have a few stitches. Things floating around, drops
Speaker 2: float around and you catch it and it doesn't float everywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and so we we've had a couple of minor accidents
Speaker 2: and things like that. But you know, our mission was
Speaker 2: kind of a little crazy. It was unusual in that week,
Speaker 2: and so it will everyone who goes there. We're just
Speaker 2: the crew that is on deck and on watch. You know,
Speaker 2: we take care of the station for however many months
Speaker 2: were there and we trade out for with the next group.
Speaker 2: But things happened, like we had a Russian satellite that
Speaker 2: broke up in orbit and the big pieces were coming
Speaker 2: right at the space station and it could puncture a
Speaker 2: hole in it. So we were awaken in the middle
Speaker 2: of the night told that the satellite had broken up
Speaker 2: and components of it was heading for the station. So
Speaker 2: we had to go safe even and so one of
Speaker 2: the crew, our crewmates, butch one of the new guys.
Speaker 2: He in the middle of the night came up banging
Speaker 2: on the door, beging on the door. Wake up, wake up,
Speaker 2: Safeva and safe Hava. And that meant, you know, you
Speaker 2: kind of wake up out of this tea thirty three
Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning and rush to your vehicle, strap
Speaker 2: in and wait to see if the pieces passed by
Speaker 2: or if it depressurizes the station. We were fortunate it
Speaker 2: just passed right by us and no hole in the.
Speaker 1: Station, So sorry. If it had made a held in
Speaker 1: the station, you're flying away.
Speaker 2: Well we would have had to undock and fly away
Speaker 2: and then whatever happened to the station happened. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: would have been a pretty bad day. We would have
Speaker 2: had to reassess, can we redock, can we save the station?
Speaker 2: Is this you know? Does everyone leave properly? And are
Speaker 2: they safe? So there's a lot of things. That's if
Speaker 2: you get a rapid depressurization of the space station, what
Speaker 2: is the air up there? Is it coming? Is it filtered? Like?
Speaker 1: What how are you breathing of there?
Speaker 2: Well, so what they do up mass they have to
Speaker 2: send nitrogen and oxygen, So we have basically seventy years
Speaker 2: percent nitrogen and twenty percent oxygen and the rest is
Speaker 2: usually like some micro constituents of other gases, but it's
Speaker 2: all up mass. And so the Russian segment they actually
Speaker 2: have a system to make oxygen and help pressurize the
Speaker 2: station that way. So there's different ways that we produce oxygen,
Speaker 2: and you know, we use certain ways and certain things
Speaker 2: that we used to either make water, make oxygen, and
Speaker 2: just try to provide an atmosphere that is very similar
Speaker 2: to what's here on Earth. Even you know, I mentioned water,
Speaker 2: but the humidity levels even so the lot that is done,
Speaker 2: everything's artificial, except we don't have grab any.
Speaker 1: How often, if ever, were you scared.
Speaker 2: Well, so two of us to me this two of
Speaker 2: the scariest days on orbit was basically that when we
Speaker 2: had to safe Haven and you're not really scared because
Speaker 2: you trained for these things. You just go into muscle
Speaker 2: memory and you just go do what you're supposed to
Speaker 2: do because we've trained so much for emergencies. And then
Speaker 2: you know, the day that we had a leak, so
Speaker 2: two people were going out to do a spacewalk and
Speaker 2: one person ended up having a leak water leak, and
Speaker 2: there's it's called an umbilical that attaches so it was
Speaker 2: pushing out water and she had to basically push it
Speaker 2: out to open space and it froze immediately. So I
Speaker 2: was kind of scary because she had to basically close
Speaker 2: reclose the She opened the hatch and so she had
Speaker 2: to close the hatch, but the hatch hat ice likely
Speaker 2: building them around it because of the leak, and so
Speaker 2: she had to get the hatch closed, get the umbilical
Speaker 2: attached to her suit, and get back in. So going
Speaker 2: through all the steps she had to do was kind
Speaker 2: of like, you know, she's she's got a lot to overcome.
Speaker 2: I mean, ice was building up on her gloves, her
Speaker 2: helmet was fogging up, and then we had to try
Speaker 2: to get them back into the station. And thank god,
Speaker 2: things went really well because once she got everything connected
Speaker 2: back up, we could repressurize the hatch where they were
Speaker 2: located and get them out of there and get the
Speaker 2: suit fixed. We did not go to walk. Yeah did
Speaker 2: you have you done this guy walk? Because you no.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately on this mission, no one got a chance to
Speaker 2: do a spacewalk, so it was bitter sweet. But we
Speaker 2: did a lot of work to try to get ready
Speaker 2: for them, and you know, it didn't go but that's okay.
Speaker 2: We we're glad that things worked out where everyone was safe,
Speaker 2: the stage is safe, and the work that we were
Speaker 2: going to do, they we can do it subsequently, hopefully
Speaker 2: at the end of this month. The people who were
Speaker 2: on Starliner me do with the spacewalks that we yes,
Speaker 2: really if that goes. Yeah, they're veteran spacewalkers. So how
Speaker 2: many times have you been to space? This was my
Speaker 2: first time? This was it? Okay, yeah, this is would
Speaker 2: you like? Will you?
Speaker 1: Will you? And would you like to do more?
Speaker 2: So I'm not sure if we have a lot of
Speaker 2: people in the pipeline who need to go to space.
Speaker 2: Everyone needs to get experience, and then the people who
Speaker 2: have experienced need to then they should go back. And
Speaker 2: you know, everything that I learned over two hundred and
Speaker 2: thirty three days is, you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: valuable information that should be passed on to all the
Speaker 2: next space flyers. So as we go in, you'll have
Speaker 2: the experience going with newbies. And who knows if I'll
Speaker 2: get a chance to go again, but I would love to.
Speaker 2: I would like to. Whether or not they will, we
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: So on this on your mission. This is why I
Speaker 1: understand is there constantly experiments going on and what kind
Speaker 1: of things are you trying to discover or figure out
Speaker 1: while you're there.
Speaker 2: So the coolest part is that there's always experiments going on.
Speaker 2: Like I always talk about the immunity assay experiment. That's
Speaker 2: one with the European Space Agency. That's where we collect
Speaker 2: our blood. Then we have to do all this processing
Speaker 2: to try to figure out what is our immune function
Speaker 2: throughout the space. Are how we're in space and so
Speaker 2: we basically take our own blood. We have to centrifuge it, incubated,
Speaker 2: do all these different things, freeze it, and then back
Speaker 2: here on Earth they'll go through and they'll look at
Speaker 2: our blood before we flew, during flight, and then post flight,
Speaker 2: and they need to really kind of go through and
Speaker 2: describe what our immune function, how it changes through space.
Speaker 2: And this would be the first thing. Well, we should
Speaker 2: know a lot about it, but we never really collected
Speaker 2: all the data while in space. With the new tools
Speaker 2: that we have, we can look at the entire immune
Speaker 2: function from beginning to end now and this is a
Speaker 2: new experiment, so we're collecting a lot of data that's
Speaker 2: one thing. We look at different materials to protect from radiation.
Speaker 2: We look at how fluids behave in space because I
Speaker 2: don't know if I got a chance to show you
Speaker 2: how water behaves just like motases, Yeah, those sphears that
Speaker 2: just float around. So studying how fluids behave a lot
Speaker 2: of different material science projects that we're doing a combustion,
Speaker 2: a lot of DNA sequencing, stem cell research, and even
Speaker 2: looking at how do you fabricate biofabrication facility that we
Speaker 2: have there. They're looking at how to assemble cells like
Speaker 2: we had cardiac cells, how do you assemble them to
Speaker 2: build art is that you can in the future you
Speaker 2: can fabricate like different organs in space and you know
Speaker 2: they'll grow the way they do like in vitro, like
Speaker 2: in zero gravity and instead of like here on Earth
Speaker 2: because of gravity, you get one layer of cells that grow.
Speaker 2: You can grow things three dimensionally and so you can
Speaker 2: get whole components. Yeah, it's kind of cool. So that's
Speaker 2: there's a lot. But the other thing that we do
Speaker 2: is we also maintain the station. Like someone has to
Speaker 2: fix the toilet when it breaks, and that happens in
Speaker 2: the water processor because yesterday's coffee is today's coffee kind
Speaker 2: of mentality. So you always have to make sure that
Speaker 2: the toilet is working. And then the processor water processor
Speaker 2: water reclamation system. Really that's always always needs fixing. If
Speaker 2: we am our exercise devices break, we have to fix those.
Speaker 2: If our carbon dioxide removal system breaks, we have to
Speaker 2: fix that. And then some things we're just changing filters
Speaker 2: and making sure they continue to work. You have done
Speaker 2: a lot of maintenance on orbit and a lot of research.
Speaker 2: And then the third thing that we all have to
Speaker 2: do just about every day is exercise. So lifting, Yeah,
Speaker 2: what is your exercise? So we have this advanced resistive
Speaker 2: exercise device and it's basically weightlifting, So lots of splots
Speaker 2: and lots of deadlifts to load the bones that we
Speaker 2: don't do all for two hundred and thirty three days
Speaker 2: or however long some people will be there.
Speaker 1: So it's like, is it like air pressure resistance?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Is a weight? Isn't a weight? Right? Exactly? This
Speaker 2: is definitely working against a vacuum and a cylinder, and
Speaker 2: so they've measured it precisely so that you can lift
Speaker 2: weights effectively. And you know, when I came back, they
Speaker 2: did a dexa scan to see how much bone loss
Speaker 2: I had. I had only about five to seven percent.
Speaker 2: And that's actually really good because every moment you're not exercising,
Speaker 2: you're shetting, you're losing a little bit of bone density. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so weightlifting every day to load the heaviest bone in
Speaker 2: your body, which is like in your legs and your pelvis,
Speaker 2: just to make sure you don't I mean, your bones
Speaker 2: are very important in your immune system as well, so
Speaker 2: you want to pin sure you're exercising just about every
Speaker 2: day and do a little cardio as well. So we
Speaker 2: have a stationary bike and we have a treadmill. So yeah,
Speaker 2: in order to stay healthy, those are you have to exercise.
Speaker 1: So how many hours of exercise a day would you do?
Speaker 2: Well? What they give us on the on the timeline
Speaker 2: is about two and a half hours, but that's for
Speaker 2: set up. You got to change your clothes, set up,
Speaker 2: do the exercise, then go on to the next one
Speaker 2: and then clean up. So you get about two and
Speaker 2: a half hours. So your day is pretty much past.
Speaker 2: It is filled. So those are really the three things
Speaker 2: that we did do exercise, do experiments, and maintain the station.
Speaker 1: Did you sleep well? In space.
Speaker 2: I slept better in space than I do here. Well,
Speaker 2: we were so exhausted after a full day. You just
Speaker 2: kind of float there and you can sleep pretty well.
Speaker 2: I mean you're not like sleeping on your arm and
Speaker 2: then you wake up and you're like, oh my arm
Speaker 2: or yeah, your neck is like in a weird position.
Speaker 2: So you sleep without any pressures on your body.
Speaker 1: So can you grow by in density? Back this five
Speaker 1: to seven percent you've lost, it's coming back.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so once gravity, once you hit gravity, your
Speaker 2: body starts rebuilding. And it's kind of interesting because when
Speaker 2: I landed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me everything about landing after this time.
Speaker 2: Well, it was amazing because you know, we're coming back
Speaker 2: screaming through the atmosphere. You know, when we start filling
Speaker 2: the load the geese and it is something crazy. And
Speaker 2: then you know, as we're coming in, we go through
Speaker 2: this blackout period because we're coming through the atmosphere and
Speaker 2: there's a lot of friction and it creates a plasma,
Speaker 2: so we can't talk to the ground, so we have
Speaker 2: basically it comes out. Then as we enter the atmosphere
Speaker 2: we can talk the ground again. But then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden we get we hear this loud pop and
Speaker 2: those are the drogue pair of shees to slow us down.
Speaker 2: And then next thing, another pop, and then the main
Speaker 2: pair of shoes come out. And then as we're coming in,
Speaker 2: we're screened in. You would think that you would fill
Speaker 2: these jerks jerky movements as the pair shoes come out. No,
Speaker 2: it was pretty smooth. I mean, you feel the g's
Speaker 2: and you're kind of like expecting that, but there was
Speaker 2: something that was so crazy and where you feel like
Speaker 2: you're gonna, you know, just puke or something. No, it's
Speaker 2: like an amusement park ride. You fill the g's. You
Speaker 2: have to intentionally breathe when you fell, like four g's
Speaker 2: on your body. Yeah, we kind of practiced that before
Speaker 2: we fly anyway, Then you hit the water. The reason
Speaker 2: we were stranded, we weren't stranded, we were on orbit
Speaker 2: for so long was because we were waiting for the
Speaker 2: weather to kind of clear and the water sea state
Speaker 2: was pretty calm. So we hit the water and it's
Speaker 2: like it wasn't like a crash or anything. You just
Speaker 2: kind of hit the water and you're like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: that wasn't so bad. And then the upriting bags you
Speaker 2: could build a vehicle kind of rotating around to upright,
Speaker 2: and it was amazing, but it wasn't as scary or
Speaker 2: you know, all these jerky movements. It was pretty we
Speaker 2: landed and we're in a call. And one thing I
Speaker 2: felt immediately it was like, oh my god, my head
Speaker 2: weighs about a thousand pounds, was because I had held
Speaker 2: it up in eight months. So we're like, we're just
Speaker 2: refiring and starting to get back acquainted with having to
Speaker 2: hold up ahead and actually walking was kind of weird
Speaker 2: because your inner ears are going crazy because no gravity
Speaker 2: acting on a great month, and so.
Speaker 1: You oh, yeah, what happens when you first walked? Are
Speaker 1: you able to Were you falling over?
Speaker 2: Well? Yes, I was definitely like over because so in
Speaker 2: my brain the way things were working was that I'm
Speaker 2: moving at a normal speed, but really I was moving
Speaker 2: too fast and my body would just keep going and
Speaker 2: then you fall. Pretty much. You always had to have
Speaker 2: someone around you kind of make sure you didn't fall
Speaker 2: over for at least the first three days. So when
Speaker 2: you return it is not as clamorous. You're able to
Speaker 2: walk and do all these things, but some of the
Speaker 2: things you experienced you hadn't experienced in eight months, so
Speaker 2: they're kind of new again.
Speaker 1: But how was the first shower?
Speaker 2: That must be glorious, right, amazing? And so I think
Speaker 2: it was two days. So we came back on Friday,
Speaker 2: like right after two or so in the morning on Friday, Saturday,
Speaker 2: you know, we're kind of reacclimating to everything. And then
Speaker 2: Sunday we actually I ended up going to dinner at
Speaker 2: one of my favorite restaurants here in Houston. And so
Speaker 2: you're really back to normal and able to like kind
Speaker 2: of hold yourself up even though you're exhausted the first
Speaker 2: second or third day that you're back. And so some people,
Speaker 2: you know, like the day that they returned there, okay.
Speaker 2: For me, it was like the second day that Sunday,
Speaker 2: we were out at dinner and I felt, okay, I
Speaker 2: was actually able to eat, you know, most of the
Speaker 2: half of the dinner and yeah, what are you eating
Speaker 2: in space?
Speaker 1: You're eating like freeze dried stuff.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was right, and space is it? You know,
Speaker 2: it's you're kind of duped into thinking, oh it's so good.
Speaker 2: You're like, oh my god, they got it. But it
Speaker 2: wasn't bad food. It was edible. It was not like
Speaker 2: the food and space was is not like it's just
Speaker 2: oh gross, I can't eat any of this. No, it's
Speaker 2: actually edible food. It's just not like, Okay, your favorite
Speaker 2: restaurant makes your favorite you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Is it do you cook in space? I've never understood this.
Speaker 1: Is it just packets you're eating out?
Speaker 2: Most of us just packets every now and then we
Speaker 2: do things like at one point they sent up a
Speaker 2: kit to make pizza, so they sent up Acruss. You
Speaker 2: can kind of spread the sauce on it, even put
Speaker 2: like peppers and pepperoni and some cheese on top. And
Speaker 2: because everything flows, you can kind of wrap it in
Speaker 2: boil and put it sideways in the oven and heat
Speaker 2: it up. So you know, most of the food though,
Speaker 2: is in these packets that you heat up or they're
Speaker 2: freeze dried and you have to rehydrate it. And that's
Speaker 2: like eighty five to ninety percent of the food. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, and drinking a glass of water must have been
Speaker 1: fucking great.
Speaker 2: Yep. See that's the thing. Being able to pick up
Speaker 2: a glass and things like that and the water kind
Speaker 2: of stay in the glass.
Speaker 1: That was glorious too. I can ask you a big question,
Speaker 1: sure if you are okay it I saw one on
Speaker 1: both sides of it. Was there any experience of you're
Speaker 1: so removed? You are literally removed from the world, and
Speaker 1: you were removed for a long long time. I think
Speaker 1: things are probably different now than they used to be,
Speaker 1: because you do we zoomed new in space. So you
Speaker 1: did get to like connect with family and with your
Speaker 1: man most days, right, yeah, and so you have this connection,
Speaker 1: but you're very far away. It's not easy, as we
Speaker 1: know from the two people still strying to still like
Speaker 1: go I just want to go home. Did you have
Speaker 1: any moments of sort of profound I guess sadness or homesickness,
Speaker 1: or like, fuck, this is too too long too, you know,
Speaker 1: did you ever have that?
Speaker 2: There were several things. I mean, there's always stuff like
Speaker 2: that where you know you and it comes out of
Speaker 2: nowhere and even expected, and you're kind of like, especially
Speaker 2: for me, it would happen on the weekends because I
Speaker 2: didn't I wasn't distracted with all the work that we
Speaker 2: had to do, and so whenever we had work on
Speaker 2: the weekend, I was kind of happy in a sense.
Speaker 2: But when you were sitting there and you're kind of alone,
Speaker 2: and then you know, your sister, My sister would call,
Speaker 2: or my niece would call, or Brian would call, and
Speaker 2: then that's when I would start missing being and like
Speaker 2: being at events and things that they were doing for me.
Speaker 2: The big thing is that I knew that, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm only here temporarily, so I have to consciously stay
Speaker 2: in the moment because I have to treat this like
Speaker 2: I may never get back here again. So the moments
Speaker 2: we were not often, but they did. I mean, of course,
Speaker 2: I mean I'm from a big family. I'm one of
Speaker 2: seven kids, and so being alone is kind of like
Speaker 2: a luxury. But another luxury too though, having your people,
Speaker 2: but my people who I'm close with, having my people
Speaker 2: around luntury. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So would you just with those moments, would you just
Speaker 1: kind of wait for those moments to pass? Did you
Speaker 1: have sort of coping mechanisms for that or.
Speaker 2: Well speak, I had distraction methods to kind of get pasted,
Speaker 2: And so I didn't watch a whole lot of movies
Speaker 2: while I was in space. I watched more like series
Speaker 2: television series like Star Trek and Picard and things like that.
Speaker 1: Were you watching it like this is bullshit?
Speaker 2: In some cases, there were things that would happen, or
Speaker 2: you know, read, listen to a book, a long book.
Speaker 2: So those were some of the things that I would
Speaker 2: do every now and then listen to music, or go
Speaker 2: take photos, look out the window and take post and
Speaker 2: you know, remind myself that you know, this may be
Speaker 2: a once in a lifetime. And I mean, I get
Speaker 2: back and.
Speaker 1: You're one of I don't know the numbers, but it
Speaker 1: must be I need thousands of thousand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're getting close to about Wow. Yeah, you're one
Speaker 2: of hundreds of people. I think it's understand hundred seven
Speaker 2: hundred people been to space.
Speaker 1: It's been to space. That's extraordinary. That's amazing that I'm
Speaker 1: talking to you. I'm very grateful. What's about the other
Speaker 1: side of it? There have been a number of films,
Speaker 1: and I love these films. I'm always interested in the stories.
Speaker 1: And you tell me, how long have.
Speaker 2: You been back? Since October twenty fifth.
Speaker 1: So there's often stories of people coming back from space
Speaker 1: and struggling with the normal people, normal life because you've
Speaker 1: had such a profound experience that no one else has
Speaker 1: had and can relate to, and has any part of
Speaker 1: it been difficult in that way sort of psychologically and
Speaker 1: being back with people who have them into fucking space.
Speaker 1: Has any of that been tricky?
Speaker 2: No? See for me, you know, I felt like when
Speaker 2: we returned, we had to do a lot of we
Speaker 2: had to give a lot of samples. I call it samples,
Speaker 2: but there's a lot of blood collection and other collection.
Speaker 2: We had to do a lot of debriefs, We had
Speaker 2: to go see a bunch of different people, and so
Speaker 2: we were really busy when we got back. And it's
Speaker 2: not that I didn't think about it before I landed.
Speaker 2: One of the questions that so on Orbit, we do
Speaker 2: talk to psych docs and medical docks, and the psych
Speaker 2: docs it probably once a month in the medical docks
Speaker 2: every week or so, and you know, one of the
Speaker 2: things that was put to me was like, how am
Speaker 2: I going to feel? And you know, this very question
Speaker 2: that you're asking now came up and for me, you know,
Speaker 2: over my career, I've had some moments like when I
Speaker 2: got out of graduate school, I kind of felt this emptiness,
Speaker 2: you know what next, but it's going to be the
Speaker 2: next big thing for my life. And in that moment
Speaker 2: way back when I finished graduate school, it was kind
Speaker 2: of very depressing and you know, trying to figure out
Speaker 2: what next for my life, And you know, I was
Speaker 2: working in Michigan and trying to figure out the next
Speaker 2: phase of my life now that I've kind of accomplished
Speaker 2: this thing that I had been hoping for, and so
Speaker 2: I think for the rest of my life, what I
Speaker 2: realized was that, you know, everything that I learned on
Speaker 2: that journey of earning a degree was more important than
Speaker 2: the end goal because that grew so much. I mean,
Speaker 2: I was a child when I started, you know, as
Speaker 2: far as I'm experience in life and things like that,
Speaker 2: and so by the time I finished graduate school, I
Speaker 2: had grown so much, and that final point was to me,
Speaker 2: I realized the final point was eclipsed by everything that
Speaker 2: I learned along the way. And so for me in life,
Speaker 2: what I kind of focus on are those moments like
Speaker 2: it's been a fifteen year career. I mean, I've done
Speaker 2: so many really cool things along this journey, and enjoying
Speaker 2: that final moment of being in space, I kind of
Speaker 2: immersed myself in that and stayed in the moment. And
Speaker 2: so when I landed, it was such a sense of
Speaker 2: joy that I was now at a point in my
Speaker 2: life where I had achieved what I set out but
Speaker 2: I have grown and I've done so much in this
Speaker 2: career that I'm grateful for all of that. I mean,
Speaker 2: I've had some really really highs in this along this journey,
Speaker 2: and some real lows and incredible lows, but they all
Speaker 2: kind of culminated into that point and in that moment
Speaker 2: that I'm just really grateful at this point and I
Speaker 2: can enjoy life now and enjoy the little things, not
Speaker 2: waiting for these big things that happen, but enjoy being
Speaker 2: with my family, with Brian, in these little moments of
Speaker 2: being around friends and family. So I think for me,
Speaker 2: I decided a long time ago that I'm not going
Speaker 2: to get depressed at the end of these big things,
Speaker 2: but be grateful for everything that I made it through.
Speaker 2: Holy Cow, it was a lot of sun so over
Speaker 2: fifteen years and crazy very pleasant question.
Speaker 1: But for normal people, I think a long distance relationship
Speaker 1: is hard, and it's often helped when you get back
Speaker 1: together just to reacclimatize to your normal life together. How
Speaker 1: has it been with your man once you got home
Speaker 1: after this time.
Speaker 2: The nice thing is that throughout the two hundred and
Speaker 2: thirty three days, I probably talked to Brian two hundred
Speaker 2: and thirty of those days and so you know, it
Speaker 2: was just kind of it was seamless because of that,
Speaker 2: and staying in touch and really having good conversations while
Speaker 2: in space and not letting things kind of list away
Speaker 2: and like, oh, I don't have time to talk to
Speaker 2: you right now. Yeah, But being more intentional about it
Speaker 2: made it work, I think. And he was very intense
Speaker 2: to know about making sure that you know, he was
Speaker 2: available even though we were on different time schedules, but
Speaker 2: making time like, Okay, we're going to set aside this
Speaker 2: time to make sure we talk. It's hard, but being
Speaker 2: intentional about it makes it easier and easier and easier.
Speaker 2: So I think intentionality instead of letting relationships just kind
Speaker 2: of happen or purposeful and intentional about it really helped.
Speaker 2: But I think you get it. It is you have
Speaker 2: to be really intentional, and if you're not, things would
Speaker 2: just kind of float away. You just kind of.
Speaker 1: I think it's such a it's interesting that you're in space.
Speaker 1: Like I said, if you're both like I've got things
Speaker 1: going on, you're always in space. That's always got a win.
Speaker 1: I can only talk to you for this hour because
Speaker 1: that's when I will be above Earth, so you better
Speaker 1: pick up.
Speaker 2: We will have cons so you have to pick up
Speaker 2: at this stime. Yeah, that's really like I can't argue
Speaker 2: with that. I guess.
Speaker 1: I guess we've got to do it your way because
Speaker 1: you're in space.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I kind of have a truck in my
Speaker 2: back market. But he has to go along with that,
Speaker 2: and that's that's easy. So finding someone who is willing
Speaker 2: to go along with that and and be and just
Speaker 2: be normal about it, is this net enough?
Speaker 1: I forget forgive me you married or you're no, we're
Speaker 1: not married. Yeah, so he gets to say, my girl,
Speaker 1: my girlfriend's in space again. Sorry, she can't be she's
Speaker 1: in fucking space anyway. What's your girlfriend minds in space?
Speaker 1: Your girlfriends on the ground with gravity, she minds in space.
Speaker 1: One thing I did ask you on the zoom and
Speaker 1: I hope you don't mind repeating it, But I've thought
Speaker 1: about it a lot since I did ask you. I
Speaker 1: hope you don't mind me asking you again. You're a scientist.
Speaker 1: You've worked incredibly hard to get to the position that
Speaker 1: you're in. You were in space, looking at Earth, looking
Speaker 1: at the universe. It is all physical and practical to you.
Speaker 1: And I asked you if it made you feel anything
Speaker 1: spiritual or you know, beyond the kind of physical gravity
Speaker 1: or not see gravity of it, and would you please
Speaker 1: tell me your thoughts?
Speaker 2: Now, Oh yeah, I think it would be hard to
Speaker 2: come back and not have like kind of a spiritual awakening,
Speaker 2: almost because when you look out in space, especially if
Speaker 2: it's daytime, first of all, you're looking at this beautiful
Speaker 2: blue Earth with these marvelly kind of patterns on it,
Speaker 2: but the background is completely black. You can't see any
Speaker 2: other stars during the daytime, and it is so it's
Speaker 2: just the blackest black you've ever seen. It's so deep,
Speaker 2: and you just feel lonely. Is like you know, they
Speaker 2: say lonely planet, it's not really lonely planet. It's like,
Speaker 2: are we the only thing in this universe? And how
Speaker 2: close is the next human or alien or whatever life
Speaker 2: form there is? Well, it's just us here, just us
Speaker 2: in your arm, and you know, is there a God?
Speaker 2: You start thinking a lot about God and his role
Speaker 2: in the universe and things like that, But also you
Speaker 2: think about everybody I know is on that planet, every
Speaker 2: human being. I can't even see them, but everything I
Speaker 2: love is there, and we're so separate, you know, and
Speaker 2: even when we get back, we're so separate from other
Speaker 2: human beings. You know, we're so callous towards other human beings.
Speaker 2: You know, we've gotten to the point where we love
Speaker 2: our pets more than we love another human being. And
Speaker 2: I get that though, I get loving your pet, but
Speaker 2: a human being, even if you don't know them, you
Speaker 2: got to value their life. And we we're so separate
Speaker 2: in so many ways, and that makes me want to
Speaker 2: be closer to other human beings. Be kind to people,
Speaker 2: love them, not just toiss them away, and you know,
Speaker 2: treat them carelessly. That's the thing that I realized, that
Speaker 2: we treat each other so carelessly. And we're all we
Speaker 2: got and we've got one planet. The closest is we
Speaker 2: have a moon, and that's not a planet, but can
Speaker 2: we even live there? We're going to try. The next
Speaker 2: place we may get to is Mars in my lifetime.
Speaker 2: That is, I don't know if we'll make it to
Speaker 2: Mars in my lifetime. We might, we're working on it.
Speaker 2: We're moving towards that. But we're still one group of
Speaker 2: people on this whole planet. It's not like another species
Speaker 2: or anything. We're all humans here. We've got animal life forms,
Speaker 2: we've got plants and trees, and you know, but being
Speaker 2: kind of one another and taking care of each other
Speaker 2: has become much more important to me. Even when I
Speaker 2: drive on the road, I'm different, which is I'm much
Speaker 2: kinder because I don't want to hurt someone. And you know,
Speaker 2: take a second, in a millisecond, a blink of an eye,
Speaker 2: you change someone's life or your own. And so to me,
Speaker 2: it's like being more careful and just more caring and courteous.
Speaker 2: And so I've changed a little bit in that way
Speaker 2: and learning to love people a lot more than I
Speaker 2: think I felt that I did in the past.
Speaker 1: So is there is that God?
Speaker 2: Did you? Did you think that? Oh? Definitely? When I
Speaker 2: look out at night time, I didn't even mention nighttime.
Speaker 2: At nighttime, you see the density of stars. You see
Speaker 2: the atmosphere and how precious it is. But you see
Speaker 2: the density of stars and how far away they are,
Speaker 2: you know, And so I definitely believe that there's a God.
Speaker 2: When you got on the night sky, some of the
Speaker 2: images that we were able to capture, there's so much
Speaker 2: going on out there. The auroras, Aurora borealis and australis
Speaker 2: absolutely amazing and beautiful. There's something going on out there.
Speaker 2: There's got to be an unmoved mover. Who started How
Speaker 2: did this begin? You know what I mean? So there's
Speaker 2: a lot going on. As I believe that there are,
Speaker 2: I think the challenge is how do we get to
Speaker 2: each other? Yeah, I definitely believe that there are aliens
Speaker 2: in our galaxy? Really, I think in our galaxy has
Speaker 2: billions of solar systems. We're one tiny solar system in
Speaker 2: the Milky Way Galaxy. There's probably millions of others. But
Speaker 2: then we're one galaxy. There's billions of other galaxies out there.
Speaker 2: So how do we get to each other? Is the question?
Speaker 2: Can you figure that out in the next six months? Please?
Speaker 2: I wish so that we can all when things get
Speaker 2: rough with the fires in California and everything happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so fascinating. I've forgotten to tell you something to know,
Speaker 1: and I feel dreadful about it because we've been talking
Speaker 1: for so long and I feel like I should have
Speaker 1: told about it. On the other hand, I also feel
Speaker 1: like you've been to space, so maybe it's okay, but
Speaker 1: you've died, You're dead. It didn't seem a bit unrealistic,
Speaker 1: didn't it? Everything you just tell me seemed like a
Speaker 1: disis of dream.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I guess about one hundred and twenty years
Speaker 2: old when I say, I get the full But I'm traveling.
Speaker 2: I'm still able to travel, and you know, I'm going
Speaker 2: overseas to work with some you know, at a school
Speaker 2: for children or something like, or go visit a hospital.
Speaker 1: And right, and when you say overseas, you mean the
Speaker 1: seas of Saturn.
Speaker 2: Or it could be I've returned from Saturn and I'm
Speaker 2: going to visit some kids, like at a hospital or
Speaker 2: something like that overseas. The reason I'm not sure why
Speaker 2: I say overseas, but it's because I love to travel,
Speaker 2: and I really expect that I'm going to be moving
Speaker 2: or still traveling. Okay, And some kid who has a
Speaker 2: virus or something me hugged me, hugs me, and then boom, I'm.
Speaker 1: Gone killed by a kid instantly.
Speaker 2: I got back from Saturn, and you know my immune
Speaker 2: system is weakend.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's so tragic. But you lived to
Speaker 1: twenty one hundred and twenty and you were still traveling overseas.
Speaker 1: It's big good. Do you worry about death?
Speaker 2: No? The reason I don't worry about death is because
Speaker 2: I truly believe that when it's my when I'm done
Speaker 2: with everything I'm supposed to do here, then I will go.
Speaker 2: I don't know when that will be, but when I'm done,
Speaker 2: I'm done. And you know, I mean, if I haven't
Speaker 2: died in living underwater or a cave, going to space
Speaker 2: and all these things, I'm like, Oh, okay. And it's
Speaker 2: not that I'm pushing the envelope in tempty fate or
Speaker 2: anything like that. It's just that I really do believe
Speaker 2: that when it's my time, yeah, I'm done.
Speaker 1: Wait did you just say you've lived underwaters?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well only for about nine days. What why are
Speaker 2: we talking about this now? Please? Well, it's just one
Speaker 2: of the analog missions that we do. I've lived in
Speaker 2: a cave even and so underwater. We have this kind
Speaker 2: of a little habitat off the coast of off the
Speaker 2: coast of Florida, about six miles out. It's about fifty
Speaker 2: feet underwater. There's an air pocket and we kind of
Speaker 2: do a scuba dive. We go into the little chamber
Speaker 2: and we lived there for We lived there, my team,
Speaker 2: we live there for nine days.
Speaker 1: You take off, you're like it's pressurized.
Speaker 2: And yeah, exactly as.
Speaker 1: Oxygen and you're just living. You're just like wet or
Speaker 1: there's a humid all the time, right, it's humid all
Speaker 1: the time. Yes, so yeah, that's the only thing. And
Speaker 1: then that's called the NASA Extreme Environment Mission operations where
Speaker 1: you live underwater, or the other one is with the
Speaker 1: European Space Agency where you live in a cave. You
Speaker 1: do all this mountaineering stuff in the end of it,
Speaker 1: you live in a cave for five days.
Speaker 2: We did up in Slovenia. Yeah, so yeah, if we
Speaker 2: do all all this stuff, and it's not that I'm
Speaker 2: pushing faith or tempting fate that yeah, when you're when
Speaker 2: your time comes, however you're going to go, you're going
Speaker 2: to go.
Speaker 1: I was living underwater for nine days. Oh.
Speaker 2: It was phenomenal because it's another world. Everything moves, even
Speaker 2: little things that look like a rock, it starts moving.
Speaker 2: You see sharks. It's extremely colorful. No, we had like
Speaker 2: these big portals that we can look out and you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's one of those analog missions. Where our commander
Speaker 2: was Akihide from the Japanese Space Agency. There's me the scientists.
Speaker 2: We had Mark vander Hie, who was a colonel in
Speaker 2: the army in Toma Pascua from the European Space Agency.
Speaker 2: He's like France's only yestronaut right now, maybe there's another
Speaker 2: one now. Actually we also had two lab techs, so
Speaker 2: there were six of us that slept in these bunk
Speaker 2: beds across from each other, very close quarters, simulating what
Speaker 2: we would have in space, even though it was actually
Speaker 2: smaller than what we have in space. And we would
Speaker 2: do these fake missions that we landed on an asteroid,
Speaker 2: so we'd have to put on our scuba gear, leave
Speaker 2: the habitat and go pretend we're excavating an asteroid.
Speaker 1: So that was a lot of fun, A lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Your life is very cool. What do you think happens
Speaker 1: when you die?
Speaker 2: I think the kids don't feel bad, because you know,
Speaker 2: I died the way that I wanted in working with
Speaker 2: these little kids, even though they give me a virus.
Speaker 2: I think it's a glorious time and people are celebrating
Speaker 2: because you know, I lived so long, I was able
Speaker 2: to help people hopefully and give back. After having been
Speaker 2: able to do all these things, go to space and
Speaker 2: come back and I was able to help people and
Speaker 2: now it's time to celebrate big. Do you think there's
Speaker 2: enoughter life for you?
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: I would hope that there is a beautiful afterlife.
Speaker 1: Well there is. Congratulations, you're going, Oh you are going
Speaker 1: to heaven. Let me tell you, heaven is filled with
Speaker 1: your favorite thing. What's your favorite thing?
Speaker 2: My friends and family? Oh my god, they're all there.
Speaker 1: They're all there, your friends and family, they're all over heaven.
Speaker 1: They're so excited to see you. And all they want
Speaker 1: to do is talk about your life. You're one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty year life, but they want to talk about
Speaker 1: it through film, which is weird. The first thing that
Speaker 1: they ask you is, what's the first film you remember seeing?
Speaker 2: Jett Apps. Well, it's kind of fitting that I'm in space.
Speaker 2: I remember being a kid and my twin sister and
Speaker 2: I we went downtown with our mother and we went
Speaker 2: to Landmark Theater and we saw a movie called Jesus
Speaker 2: Christ Superstar. So yeah, so that's what we watched. So
Speaker 2: we had to be like maybe seven or eight. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is wow. Some years after the movie came out
Speaker 2: and it was showing at a local theater downtown in Syracuse.
Speaker 2: So did you love it? I remember loving it. I
Speaker 2: don't remember a whole lot of movie, but I remember
Speaker 2: loving it. My mother loved the movie, of course, and
Speaker 2: so it was just our little thing to do, Janet
Speaker 2: and I being the youngest and always with our mom,
Speaker 2: and you know, she wanted to get out and do things.
Speaker 2: So you know, that was one of the fun things
Speaker 2: that we did together.
Speaker 1: Are you and your twin identical?
Speaker 2: No, we're for fraternal. But her name was Janet, so yeah.
Speaker 1: Well Janette, Jane and Jeannette. Yeah, it's ridiculous, that's very silly.
Speaker 1: There's no justification for that. We're not even Idana. That's
Speaker 1: a stupid question, but I'm going to ask it. Do
Speaker 1: you did you always feel connected to her? Was there
Speaker 1: any you know, sometimes people say have twins, do you
Speaker 1: have a invisible code?
Speaker 2: Do you have that with her? We definitely do, you know,
Speaker 2: probably because we spent we went to the same schools,
Speaker 2: we were, went to same undergrad same graduate school, and
Speaker 2: we just deviate it once we finished school. Yeah, did
Speaker 2: you still feel it when you were all the way
Speaker 2: in space? No? I don't. I don't think I did.
Speaker 2: But we talked all the time, so you know, I
Speaker 2: think I was focused on other things maybe and not
Speaker 2: really kind of like what's going on with you?
Speaker 1: Jan hits up to what is the film that made
Speaker 1: you cry the mice? Are you a crier?
Speaker 2: I try not to cry. And you know, when I
Speaker 2: read this question, I was thinking about it, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I cried a lot of movies. But I realized that
Speaker 2: the reason that I cry is that like Scrooge, I
Speaker 2: mean every Scrooge that I've read, any story of redemption,
Speaker 2: and I mean sad life and you kind of feel
Speaker 2: like you really want this to happen, and and so
Speaker 2: stories of redemption and happiness, those are the ones that
Speaker 2: I cry at the most. Shawshank Redemption that was another one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can't help but cry, and that one. I So
Speaker 2: those are the kind of movies that really make me
Speaker 2: tear up. And when some triumph happens, justice or something
Speaker 2: like that, you finally get to that point you get it.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, which witch Scrooge are you referring to?
Speaker 2: Albert? No, So the first one that I watched was
Speaker 2: the one with Patrick Stewart, but the one man it
Speaker 2: is the most gut wrenching, the one with Guy Peers
Speaker 2: It was like a TV one one, and it goes
Speaker 2: through his childhood and why he became the way he
Speaker 2: ended up being. It was even more counfrenching because it
Speaker 2: kind of tells the story of, you know, why was
Speaker 2: Scrooge like that? What made him become this? And so
Speaker 2: those are the kind of stories that really tear me apart. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I get that.
Speaker 1: What is the film that scared you device? Do you
Speaker 1: like being scared? Do you get scared? Rosemary's Baby? I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever seen that.
Speaker 2: I don't like scary movies at all, but Rosemary Baby
Speaker 2: was one of those movies that you know, like that
Speaker 2: could happen. As a kid, I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: that could actually happen. Extors is scary. That was so scary.
Speaker 2: In fact, last week we drove by that Georgetown home
Speaker 2: in that area very feak. I think I was more
Speaker 2: afraid of Rosemary's Baby than exist because I can't see
Speaker 2: Exorcist really happening. I'm sure it could, but baby, it's
Speaker 2: just it was scary.
Speaker 1: So you don't think the devil can possess someone, but
Speaker 1: you do think that they can give birth, they can
Speaker 1: imprecate someone.
Speaker 2: Well, the head spinning around and the battle floating that
Speaker 2: could happen. But Rosemary Baby was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: what if that kid was born? Yeah? What could I do?
Speaker 2: That was? It's true?
Speaker 1: What is the film that you like but it is
Speaker 1: not critically acclaimed, but you love it? You don't care
Speaker 1: what people think.
Speaker 2: Okay, don't judge me when I tell you this is
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen The Fifth Element? Love the Fifth Element?
Speaker 1: Well, it's one of the most accurate science fiction films
Speaker 1: ever made. I'm sure you'd agree.
Speaker 2: It's hilarious. It's so funny. So I've watched it many,
Speaker 2: many times. But I'm one of my guilty pleasures. I
Speaker 2: think I love that film. See a lot of people
Speaker 2: do not like that film, but I love this true.
Speaker 1: I think the Blue Lady Opera Singer Octopus blue Head.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's very movie.
Speaker 1: I love It's a great film. Oh here's the question
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, as someone who's done all this,
Speaker 1: is there any film you've seen science fiction film or
Speaker 1: you know, space movie that is close to the one.
Speaker 1: What's the one that's impressed you the most where you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's pretty spot If any.
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting because you know, Andy Weir wrote The
Speaker 2: Martian and that was probably the most accurate. But that's
Speaker 2: because he did all of his research, right, And yeah,
Speaker 2: he did a lot of great research on the spacesuit,
Speaker 2: potentially growing things in space, mission control and so you know,
Speaker 2: he received the Hugo Award for that story. But it
Speaker 2: was because he got very close to the accurate, to
Speaker 2: their actual way things in space. And it's difficult to
Speaker 2: do that. I mean, there's a lot of stories that
Speaker 2: don't come close, but The Martian was pretty close. Interesting.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's a film called Iss came out last year.
Speaker 1: Do you see it?
Speaker 2: I did see it. Is this the one where only
Speaker 2: two people survive in the end.
Speaker 1: Is the Ariana Duvois film where they get they think
Speaker 1: the Earth has been like and then now they've got
Speaker 1: to fight each other. Yes, tell me how, because I
Speaker 1: enjoyed that film. I have no idea how real, how good,
Speaker 1: how stupid? You tell me, having lived there.
Speaker 2: The relationships and so basically it's the same movie that
Speaker 2: we saw. You have the Russians fighting the Americans in
Speaker 2: a way, yes, and so that's the part that is
Speaker 2: not real, and I think that's partly the movie was
Speaker 2: not bad the premise of it was what I didn't like, Like,
Speaker 2: you would never see the Russians and Americans fighting like that.
Speaker 2: I mean, there are closest neighbors in the States, and
Speaker 2: so it's funny whenever every weekend we had dinner together
Speaker 2: and it was either in the data in the Russian
Speaker 2: segment or downtown in the US segment. So we got
Speaker 2: along really really well. So would there ever be a
Speaker 2: kind of like a fight like that, I can say never.
Speaker 2: I would say that would never happen. But it was
Speaker 2: the sort of physical nature of that film which looked
Speaker 2: pretty good to me. It was a lot of things
Speaker 2: that were active, but it was side by I guess
Speaker 2: the side by side seating is correct in the SOYUS.
Speaker 2: Within the SOYUS it is much more cramped inside the
Speaker 2: Soyuz vehicle. There were a lot of things, really good
Speaker 2: things that they did on there that I think the
Speaker 2: only reason why I did not I was like, no, this,
Speaker 2: this would never happen, was because of the relationship.
Speaker 1: Right, that's good, that's good, that's nice.
Speaker 2: It is interesting that you know, we still have this
Speaker 2: really close relationship with our Russian colleagues, and I think
Speaker 2: a lot of people are surprised, but we work so
Speaker 2: closely together. Like Alexander Grievinkin was the gentleman, the cosmonaut
Speaker 2: that I flew with. One of the best human beings
Speaker 2: I've ever met. Is another one some of my favorite Russians,
Speaker 2: Serge Anton Skaparev. I did language immersion in Russia, so
Speaker 2: you know, getting to know a lot of these guys.
Speaker 2: And I did all the training in Star City as well.
Speaker 2: We really do work closely together and train closely. You
Speaker 2: get to know each other really well and you have
Speaker 2: to trust each other. Yeah. Nice.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like like you'll be close with these
Speaker 1: people back in the real world.
Speaker 2: You'll keep in touch and stuff to people. I still
Speaker 2: get for the holidays, Alec to me and he's he
Speaker 2: always sends Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, International Woman's Day.
Speaker 2: In March, I get a note from Alec. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: we keep in touch through what'sapp. So the world has
Speaker 2: gotten smaller with things like WHATSP telegram things like that.
Speaker 1: So what is the film that you used to love
Speaker 1: but you have watched recently and you've thought, I don't
Speaker 1: like this anymore.
Speaker 2: Well, so I won't watch those movies. And the reason
Speaker 2: I say. I say that is because I remember as
Speaker 2: a kid, we loved any movie that had Elvis Presley
Speaker 2: in it. Right now, as I've gotten older and rewatched
Speaker 2: some of those like, yeah, I just can't movies. Sorry
Speaker 2: to Elvis fans, but they were yeah, I can't. Yeah,
Speaker 2: watch any.
Speaker 1: What is the film that means the most to you?
Speaker 1: Not necessarily the film is good, but the experience you
Speaker 1: had seeing the film will always make it.
Speaker 2: Maybe. Oh well, I'm looking this way because you know,
Speaker 2: not too long ago. So one of the movies that
Speaker 2: I watched a while ago was this movie called Deer
Speaker 2: Hunter with Robert de Niro Narrow Street. It's a great movie. Yeah,
Speaker 2: up until like twenty twenty two, I hadn't really watched
Speaker 2: the movie. I probably watched it maybe ten years. Prior
Speaker 2: to that, I had never seen a friend of mineset.
Speaker 2: It was a great Vietnam movie. You got to watch it,
Speaker 2: and I thought it was a pretty good movie. And
Speaker 2: then Brian we we've been friends for twenty some odd
Speaker 2: years now, but a few years the reason we ended
Speaker 2: up probably getting together was one night he was keeping
Speaker 2: me company while I was quarantined for working with Crew five.
Speaker 2: It was another mission to the space station. It was
Speaker 2: crew five. I was the backup, so I had to
Speaker 2: quarantine and Brian, as a friend, agreed to keep me
Speaker 2: company while I was quarantined alone. And so he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll watch a movie. I was like, oh, okay. And
Speaker 2: you know I knew that Brian. You know, he was
Speaker 2: a military analyst. I knew he loved all these military movies.
Speaker 2: So I said, hey, why don't we watch Deer Hunter together?
Speaker 2: And you know that way is something I'll enjoy. He'll
Speaker 2: definitely like he's doing me a favorite, keeping me company. Fine,
Speaker 2: So this is about almost three years ago now. So
Speaker 2: we watched the movie and then Brian kept talking at
Speaker 2: the end of the movie, and he kept talking and
Speaker 2: kept talking, and we had this long conversation about two
Speaker 2: hours afterwards. Then it dawned on me that oh, I
Speaker 2: think this was a date and it was a day. Yes,
Speaker 2: so yes, So from that day on we've been see.
Speaker 1: I like, how it's very sweet that a man says
Speaker 1: I'll come and keep you company quarantined. You had no idea, Well,
Speaker 1: we were in separate places that way. The funniest part,
Speaker 1: you were in separate like pods.
Speaker 2: No, he was at home in Maryland and I was
Speaker 2: in Florida. No, actually I was in here here in Houston.
Speaker 2: I was in Houston. So we started the movie at
Speaker 2: the same time. And wow, you.
Speaker 1: Too too, A good at long distance.
Speaker 2: It's very sweet. Well we were friends for what twenty
Speaker 2: years at that point? Yeah, twenty years?
Speaker 1: And so when did you get together after that after
Speaker 1: the Deer Hunter? How long until you were physically.
Speaker 2: Maybe probably about so, probably about two weeks after that
Speaker 2: a little bit over we you know, the launch went
Speaker 2: off and I could finally leave quarantine and we met
Speaker 2: up face to face flintly. So, but it was after
Speaker 2: that it was like every day we had to check
Speaker 2: that so and we weren't chatting about anymore that first
Speaker 2: night four hours of Deer Hunt.
Speaker 1: Mo pas to click. So do you does everyone have
Speaker 1: to quarantine for two weeks before you go into space
Speaker 1: so that you're all jam free?
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Swin theory, no one should get in in space because
Speaker 1: none of you have brought anything with.
Speaker 2: You, exactly. But when you do introduce the new folks
Speaker 2: in like which the Starliner folks, they've also quarantined, so
Speaker 2: they shouldn't have anything. But you know, there's a potential.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is I keep having I keep forgetting whis
Speaker 1: men to talk about films? So what is the film
Speaker 1: you mightst relate to?
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, there's so many movies and I'm kind of
Speaker 2: a weird person, and that I picked the things that
Speaker 2: caused me to grow the most and the film that
Speaker 2: I'm most related to, and there's there's there's several of them.
Speaker 2: But when my favorite movies is Doune and even though yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I love that as a kid. So yeah, And I
Speaker 2: don't know if it was because I was going through
Speaker 2: something weird, you know, like going through school was weird
Speaker 2: for me because you know, I wanted to be a scientist.
Speaker 2: My parents weren't scientists. Things like that. But there's always
Speaker 2: just so much in this movie that is I related
Speaker 2: to it at a given moment. And you know, for example,
Speaker 2: like in the movie when I'm dup, Lito says to Paul,
Speaker 2: you know, the sleeper must awaken. You know. It's like
Speaker 2: for me, I knew I had a lot of work
Speaker 2: I needed to do. I need to get on it,
Speaker 2: and I knew that there were things that I needed
Speaker 2: to do and you know, just must awaken. And I
Speaker 2: was so corny, But those are little things that to
Speaker 2: me like call the action almost and just relating to Paul,
Speaker 2: Paul reluctantly had to become this person. And it wasn't
Speaker 2: that I was reluctant. It's just that, you know, I
Speaker 2: had to go to Loane just get it done.
Speaker 1: How did you when did you do you remember deciding
Speaker 1: you wanted to do this? You always knew this?
Speaker 2: Well, I think it was more like getting into undergraduate
Speaker 2: and going to college. And going to graduate school was
Speaker 2: kind of like a big decision for me because you know,
Speaker 2: my brothers had gone to college and they joined the
Speaker 2: army and done things like that. But Jane and I
Speaker 2: we wanted to be scientists and that was very different.
Speaker 2: But we had a mom who said, oh, sure, why not,
Speaker 2: even though she had no clue what we wanted to do.
Speaker 2: And so it was just interesting that things like Dune
Speaker 2: and stuff like that and getting into the right mindset
Speaker 2: to go forward and do these things was was a challenge.
Speaker 1: But do you know what inspired it? Like was did
Speaker 1: something happen at school or in TV or anything that
Speaker 1: made you go That's what I'm interested in.
Speaker 2: Well, I will tell you when I was nine years old,
Speaker 2: My older brother came home from college, and you know,
Speaker 2: Janet and I being the nice little sisters, we wanted
Speaker 2: to make our brother happy, and so we showed up
Speaker 2: what was our report cards, so you get your grades
Speaker 2: back then, it was on a card and you either
Speaker 2: get a's, b's, your attendance and all this stuff is
Speaker 2: on it. So we showed our brother, and our brother
Speaker 2: said to Jane to me, he's like, wow, this is great.
Speaker 2: You guys are doing well in math and science. You know,
Speaker 2: maybe you can become astronauts or aerospace engineers. And I
Speaker 2: knew that, you know, there's no way that I could
Speaker 2: become They would select me to become an astronaut, but
Speaker 2: I knew that I become an aerospace engineer. So at
Speaker 2: the age of nine, this little bit was flipped in
Speaker 2: my brain. Up, I have to go to school for this.
Speaker 2: And it didn't change, it didn't waiver. You know, there
Speaker 2: were times when you doubt that, but it was just
Speaker 2: you know, this is what I have to do. This
Speaker 2: is what I'm supposed to be doing kind of thing,
Speaker 2: and so it didn't inspire me. My brother kind of
Speaker 2: convinced me that that is what you're supposed to be doing. Wow,
Speaker 2: that's so cool. And what about Jack? Is she a scientist?
Speaker 2: She she is, but she did molecular cell biology, so
Speaker 2: she did more stuff with genetics. Yeah, and yeah, we
Speaker 2: were nerds, and you know, we're kind of like paying
Speaker 2: for it as we get older because there's things that
Speaker 2: other kids did he did not.
Speaker 1: You are amazing. What Oh, here we go to that.
Speaker 1: What's the sexiest film you've ever seen?
Speaker 2: Oh? That's Oh, I've got a couple. There's two that
Speaker 2: came to mind almost immediately. There's a movie called Love
Speaker 2: Jones and that has me a long love that film.
Speaker 2: It was so amusing. Yeah, and then Thomas Crown Affair.
Speaker 2: Of course, the new one or the one I love? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I like both of them a lot. Very sexy.
Speaker 1: I think that New one is really sexy. Great film.
Speaker 1: Here's Brasman, Yes, yes, please, wonderful.
Speaker 2: Love Jones was is a you know a lot of
Speaker 2: people haven't seen that one, but I'm like the music,
Speaker 2: the relationships, the way things played out.
Speaker 1: I mean it was just very sexy, very very sexy.
Speaker 1: There's a subcategory, you know, there is sometimes I don't
Speaker 1: love asking it, but here we are traveling by those
Speaker 1: worrying why Jones a film you found a rousing that
Speaker 1: you weren't.
Speaker 3: Sure you shit, that's a that's a tough one. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean these be honest, all of.
Speaker 2: These romantic movies, I mean like Love Jones and Thomas Crowdlefeer.
Speaker 2: They're not like super like you know, close off and
Speaker 2: this and that and the other. But that is to
Speaker 2: me the sexiest way you get around. And it's it's
Speaker 2: like more of the imagination and it's not so much
Speaker 2: you got to see all the skin and you got
Speaker 2: to see it. No, it's just this whole kind of
Speaker 2: notion of this deep passion between these people that is
Speaker 2: so and it's just boiling over. So it's probably probably
Speaker 2: loved Jones or I.
Speaker 1: Will I will accept it. That's what well. I want
Speaker 1: to ask, by way, what is how do you cope
Speaker 1: with that side of things? Being in space for two
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty days? Just shut down? I just shut down.
Speaker 2: And it's so funny because there is a scientist who
Speaker 2: she has done like presentations on sex and space and
Speaker 2: so really getting into this and we'll see in the
Speaker 2: future how far that goes. But yeah, you're in space,
Speaker 2: you're in close quarters with all these people. I think
Speaker 2: the worst thing, and this is how I always felt like,
Speaker 2: you don't you don't sleep with the people you work with.
Speaker 2: You got to see them the next day. It doesn't
Speaker 2: work out, you don't want them, like spiking your punchers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, were there any relationships on this space station.
Speaker 2: Where you were No, So, Matt's married, Mike's married, Tracy's married.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty much, I guess closely. Yeah, and then the
Speaker 2: Russians are like, you know, they're like they're there to work,
Speaker 2: they're doing the ground tells them, and everyone's kind of
Speaker 2: like on the street.
Speaker 1: Well, from what I could see, Yeah, answering that question,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. You just have to shut it down.
Speaker 1: I assume that's what you say. Just shut that down,
Speaker 1: but just just kill that part of your brain for
Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty days and just keep looking at
Speaker 1: the wonder of the world.
Speaker 2: I guess I'm I'm going to be I don't know.
Speaker 2: I know in the military they claim that the feel
Speaker 2: that they would give these guys would kind of shut
Speaker 2: a lot of that down. I don't know if that's true,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I kind of doubt that it's true, to
Speaker 2: be honest, because that's just not right. You've got to
Speaker 2: tell someone that you're doing this. That's good. We are
Speaker 2: dragging you, so you don't so you have no libido?
Speaker 2: I take it. Great. Sounds sensible, right, it sounds sensible. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: there are there's a research a medical doctor. She has
Speaker 2: been doing a lot of presentations on sex and space
Speaker 2: and why for health reasons. I guess. I'm not sure
Speaker 2: of all her reasons, but she's out there, yeah, kind
Speaker 2: of proselytizing. So she's given many presentations on it.
Speaker 1: What so in the same way that you guys have
Speaker 1: been looking into immunity in space and three D, she's
Speaker 1: sort of going, what about sex and space that might
Speaker 1: be good for us? Except exactly that's important to work. Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you friends for these questions. What is objectively the
Speaker 1: greatest film of all time?
Speaker 2: Oh? So okay, this one is when I saw this
Speaker 2: question to her and you know, everything for me like
Speaker 2: relates back to family and friends and things like that.
Speaker 2: So for me, it's The Ten Commandments. I mean the Wow,
Speaker 2: Charleston Heston and yeah, Bill Brenner to mill was he
Speaker 2: was the director, I think, So you got to realize that,
Speaker 2: you know, when I was a kid growing up in Syracuse,
Speaker 2: like around Easter time, you know, the Tenth Commandments was
Speaker 2: shown on television, and it was like my mother was like, oh,
Speaker 2: we got to watch this, so it would be like
Speaker 2: a big Sunday dinner. My mother's making dinner on a
Speaker 2: Sunday afternoon. The movie is like twenty hours long in
Speaker 2: real time exactly, so she's cooking dinner. We're all sitting
Speaker 2: around watching it, and you know, you could smell the
Speaker 2: food in the house, and we're just all sitting down
Speaker 2: together watching my mother's making dinner. We eat dinner. The
Speaker 2: movie is still going on, and it's just an epic movie.
Speaker 2: And so many actors and superstars ended up in the movie.
Speaker 2: Even Vincent Price was in there. It's just kind of
Speaker 2: a beautiful movie. To me, it was just epic. But
Speaker 2: it reminds me of growing up in Syracuse and my
Speaker 2: mom cooking on a Sunday afternoon, and it was such
Speaker 2: a big deal to watch this movie.
Speaker 1: Every you start to Semstein, you've got them. You've got
Speaker 1: a lot of biblical, biblical films here were you were
Speaker 1: you religious religious family?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we were. I think as I've grown up,
Speaker 2: I've gotten more away from like religion as an institution,
Speaker 2: but more Christian and you know, instead of blindly following things,
Speaker 2: really understanding what you're doing, and you know, the big
Speaker 2: premise of all of it is love at the end
Speaker 2: of the day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is the film you could or have watched.
Speaker 2: The I love movies, so there's so many things. You
Speaker 2: could name a Star Trek movie. I've watched it over
Speaker 2: a hundred times. In fact, we recently watched The Wrath
Speaker 2: of Khan, which is so I mean, and we're watching
Speaker 2: it now and they were like, oh, the acting was
Speaker 2: kind of but we love the promise of it. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's so many movies. Oh my gosh, I've watched so
Speaker 2: many of the James Bond movies. Admittedly, I've watched those
Speaker 2: repeatedly over and over, and then you know there's I'm
Speaker 2: looking at the notes that I wrote down, and uh,
Speaker 2: you know two of my favorite actors that I've watched
Speaker 2: a lot of their movies over over and over again
Speaker 2: is Robin Williams and Denzel Washington. Yeah, as Missus douth
Speaker 2: Flower or Patch Adams and Denzel Washington in just about anything.
Speaker 2: Holy God, I agree, very good.
Speaker 1: He's my favoritis I would watch them in end and
Speaker 1: I have, what is the worst film you've ever seen?
Speaker 2: Let's not be too negative. No, I'm not going to
Speaker 2: be negative, but this this one was undoubtedly So I
Speaker 2: was forced. I wasn't forced. I was asked to watch
Speaker 2: if I wanted to watch a movie while I was
Speaker 2: doing a training exercise and I was stuck in a
Speaker 2: vacuum chamber inside the spacesuit. And so they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: we've got tons of movie. We've got Shark Nado. You
Speaker 2: can watch Shark Nado. Like, I've never seen it. Is
Speaker 2: it any good? They were like, oh, yeah, it's good movie.
Speaker 2: And I was I can't even believe that I watched
Speaker 2: that movie. But I was a captive audience. I was
Speaker 2: in a chamber.
Speaker 1: What does that mean? So you're are you flight team No.
Speaker 2: Here in Houston, we have a chamber where basically they
Speaker 2: lock you. You're in the space suit, the spacesuited vehicle. You
Speaker 2: have oxygen pressurized. But then they take you in the
Speaker 2: suit and they put you into a chamber, take all
Speaker 2: the air out. You're in vacuum, and so you're stuck
Speaker 2: there because what they want to do is see how
Speaker 2: the soup behaves and how you behave when you're in
Speaker 2: a vacuum chamber. We're purging all of the nitrogen out
Speaker 2: of your body so that you don't get decompression sickness
Speaker 2: when you do outdoor on the space walk. And so
Speaker 2: I'm just basically sitting there in a suit as a
Speaker 2: captive person, and I'm able to look at this little
Speaker 2: portal while I'm stuck in this chamber, and they could
Speaker 2: show a movie and they can pipe in the sound
Speaker 2: into the suit and Shark Nado evolve being I cannot
Speaker 2: get back, it's so horrible.
Speaker 1: So there's so many physical checkpoints along the way that
Speaker 1: if you didn't pass, you can't go to space. Essentially,
Speaker 1: you could do all this work and if you can't
Speaker 1: handle that, you're out and.
Speaker 2: Crazy.
Speaker 1: And that was the I think that was part of
Speaker 1: the test. Can you handle being in the back and
Speaker 1: watched Sharp DA. If you can do that your hand,
Speaker 1: then have you seen the movie? I actually have not
Speaker 1: seen Sharkda though, Okay, so I judge it.
Speaker 2: Whatever you do, do it.
Speaker 1: What is the film that made you laugh the most?
Speaker 2: Oh? Did you laugh in space? Oh? Yeah, something about Mary.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've seen that one. I have
Speaker 2: seen that. Yeah, it probably made me laugh the most.
Speaker 2: I went to see the bussters and yeah, we laughed
Speaker 2: so hard. That was years ago, though, that's probably Jeanette Epps.
Speaker 2: This has genuinely been a privilege for me and on
Speaker 2: it and I've enjoyed this so so much. I really
Speaker 2: really appreciate you telling me everything. I hope these questions
Speaker 2: haven't been boring for you. No, No, been as fascinated
Speaker 2: as I have.
Speaker 1: However, when you were one hundred and twenty years out
Speaker 1: and you just got back from Saturn, so you were
Speaker 1: pretty let's stay clean, germ free, and you being you
Speaker 1: were like, ah, I'm home for a bit, but I
Speaker 1: still like to travel. I'm going to go overseas. You
Speaker 1: went overseas. Want to help some kids. You go visit
Speaker 1: a school. I'm going to inspire some kids. And one
Speaker 1: of these fucking kids, absolutely riddled with illness comes over. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm such a big fan, hunts you, kisses you, and
Speaker 1: as they kiss you, they pass the virus to your
Speaker 1: very innocent body that has had no germs for so
Speaker 1: long as you've been on Saturn. Just swinging around the
Speaker 1: fucking rings and stuff. I have a lovely time anyway,
Speaker 1: the virus takes over you. It eats your flesh. You
Speaker 1: collapse a skeleton on the floor. All the kids scream,
Speaker 1: oh my God, Jesus that I'm walking around with a coffin.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm like, I go, Jesus, what's that? I go,
Speaker 1: Oh my God, is that the famous asson? Oh my God,
Speaker 1: look at her skeleton? Jesus, And I say, you kissed her?
Speaker 1: And the kid goes it was me, And I got you,
Speaker 1: little shit, look what you've done. Get out of here,
Speaker 1: and I go, come on, everybode help me. You get
Speaker 1: your bones, But your bones there's less less densitys you've
Speaker 1: just been to Sat. Your bones are like very light.
Speaker 1: I'm getting the bones and the shutter of oh oh God,
Speaker 1: getting bits of your skin. Anyway. End up, I've got
Speaker 1: a much smaller coffin than I thought. Coffin is rammed
Speaker 1: despite how very thin your bones are. There's only enough
Speaker 1: room in this coffin for me to slip one DVD
Speaker 1: into the side for you to take across to the
Speaker 1: other side. And on the other side, it's movie night
Speaker 1: every night. What film are you taking to show your
Speaker 1: friends and family in heaven? When it is your movie night. Please.
Speaker 2: Since it's my family, it has to be the ten commands.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love it. And we're we're making dinner,
Speaker 2: we're hanging out watching the tank Amends like we did
Speaker 2: when we were little, and.
Speaker 1: It lasts eternity because it is the Tanker moment. Oh, Jeanette,
Speaker 1: this has been such a joy. Normally I say to people,
Speaker 1: you know that is there things people should look out
Speaker 1: for and watch with you? What have you got coming up?
Speaker 1: Is there anything we should be looking out for? What's
Speaker 1: going on next for you?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm entering back into the core, and I'm going
Speaker 2: to do a lot of presentations to students and things
Speaker 2: like that, going out to the New York Halle Science
Speaker 2: and talking to students there, and maybe back to my
Speaker 2: undergrad in Syracuse Lemoyne College and talking to students. So
Speaker 2: pretty much, I'm entering back into the core, starting training
Speaker 2: again and talking to a lot of students and hoping,
Speaker 2: hoping that I can inspire them and show them some
Speaker 2: things that they've never seen and maybe they'll get interested
Speaker 2: or become interested in science, technology, engineering, mathematics.
Speaker 1: And what's the cool? When you say the core, what's
Speaker 1: the what's.
Speaker 2: The astronaut core.
Speaker 1: That's so cool. That's so cool. Wow, Janet X, what's
Speaker 1: an absolute treat. Thank you very very very very much
Speaker 1: for doing this.
Speaker 2: So happy to me. Thank you for inviting me, oh man,
Speaker 2: especially thanks for accepting the invitation to talk to us
Speaker 2: in space. Are you kidding? It's the crazest thing.
Speaker 1: That happened of all the amazing things to happen, to
Speaker 1: be told by NASA, can you have a chat with
Speaker 1: someone in space?
Speaker 2: You're like, fuck, yes, that was amazing. So thank you
Speaker 2: so much, Thank you, pleasure. I appreciate you. I appreciate
Speaker 2: you so much. Good day.
Speaker 1: So that was episode three hundred and thirty seven. Head
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Speaker 1: thanks for listening. Thank you so much to Jeanette for
Speaker 1: coming back to Earth and giving me her time. Thanks
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Speaker 1: to Buddy Peace for producing it. Thanks to iHeartMedia and
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Speaker 1: very much to Adam Richardson for the graphics and leads
Speaker 1: Alight Them for the photography. Come and join me next
Speaker 1: week for another smashing. Yes, that's it for now, but
Speaker 1: in the meantime, have a lovely week and please be
Speaker 1: excellent to each other.
Speaker 2: Sh