WEBVTT - Wynonna Judd

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left Sets podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>My guest today is the one and only why Noona Judd,

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<v Speaker 1>which thanks the first question. I always thought it was Winona?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it Winona or why Nona? Seriously, it's what okay?

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<v Speaker 1>I I heard that the inspiration was the song Rude

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<v Speaker 1>sixty six. Is that true? It is true that it's

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<v Speaker 1>the Root sixties six. I was named after Whynny Harris Um,

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<v Speaker 1>a black blues man, and Ray Benson gave me my

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<v Speaker 1>name back when I was twelve or thirteen. Okay, how

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<v Speaker 1>did you encounter Ray Benson of Asleep at the Wheel

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<v Speaker 1>at aged twelve or thirteen? Interesting story. I ended up

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<v Speaker 1>in Austin, Texas with my mother and she was dating

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<v Speaker 1>one of the band members, and we would go every

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<v Speaker 1>night and sit and watch Asleep at the Wheel and

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<v Speaker 1>the fabulous Thunderbirds. And I grew to love Ray Um

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<v Speaker 1>as an elder, and he just took me under his wing,

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<v Speaker 1>and he loved me, and he had no idea I

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<v Speaker 1>sang by the way. I was very shy, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think he was just such a loving person that he

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<v Speaker 1>took me under his wing. And he and my mom

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<v Speaker 1>both decided that I wanted to change my name anyway

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<v Speaker 1>because Christina was just a little too boring. Okay, you

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<v Speaker 1>know there are a lot of famous musicians like Elton

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<v Speaker 1>John although we legally changed his name Roles Cooper, and

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<v Speaker 1>their regular life they go with their given name, in

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<v Speaker 1>his case Red or Vince. Do your friends call you

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<v Speaker 1>why no? No? Or do they call you Christina? They

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<v Speaker 1>call me why um? Christina? Uh is long past. That

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<v Speaker 1>was my go to school years high school. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I ended in tenth grade Christina and became Winona and

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<v Speaker 1>officially when I got my first check, Bob, I um

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<v Speaker 1>changed it legally to Winona. And when I got my

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<v Speaker 1>first check for twenty dollars singing here in Nashville, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I decided, okay, it's time here we go. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>if we looked at your passport, what is the last name,

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<v Speaker 1>uh Judd? At this point, you know what, that's an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting question. I'm gonna have to go back. Is my

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<v Speaker 1>passport Christina Claire Simonela? No, it's why Nona Ellen Judd

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<v Speaker 1>because I changed it legally. That's right. I am a Gemini.

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<v Speaker 1>So I have two names for two people. Here. Are

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<v Speaker 1>you into astrology? I mean I I believe God created everything.

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<v Speaker 1>So hey, I'm I can go where you lead me.

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<v Speaker 1>I can go where you leave me. I'm not quite

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<v Speaker 1>sure where I'm going, but you're going when you better.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going to Mexico to the Girls Just Wanna Concert.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you get involved in that? That's a great question.

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<v Speaker 1>While I have a huge following and people just love music,

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<v Speaker 1>and Brandy Carlyle and I are joined forever. She's very,

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<v Speaker 1>very dear to me. When Mom died, I went on

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<v Speaker 1>tour and Brandy became my right hand and uh literally

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<v Speaker 1>my left lung. She became so immersed in the tour,

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<v Speaker 1>knew every song, knew every breath, knew everything, and I

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<v Speaker 1>just we got really close and I just love her,

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<v Speaker 1>and she invited me because she knows I'm really fun.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've pretty much done it all at this point, Bob,

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<v Speaker 1>at least at least twice. You know, I've done cruises,

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<v Speaker 1>I've done Hell's Angels, rallies, I've done the presidential six times,

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<v Speaker 1>president singing to and this is going to look good

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<v Speaker 1>on the resume because I'm going down to Mexico and

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<v Speaker 1>sing my Alma. She's crazy instead of Mama. He's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>So here we go. Okay, so there a couple of questions.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you literally meet Brandy Carlisle. Oh, I met her.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see, when was the first time. I'm trying to think, huh, Brandy,

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<v Speaker 1>When I met Brandy? What year? I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>two years ago. I met Brandy and all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how to explain it other than two

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<v Speaker 1>spirits collide and she's the closest thing to a sister

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever had. Okay, occasionally you talk to another person.

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<v Speaker 1>This is audio only, just for the people playing the

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<v Speaker 1>home game. Who are you talking to? I'm talking to

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<v Speaker 1>my right hand Lindsay. Because I don't do well with dates.

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<v Speaker 1>I could tell you what you were wearing, and I

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<v Speaker 1>could tell you what we were doing, eating and playing

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<v Speaker 1>what game. But I have a hard time remembering because

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<v Speaker 1>of my history or my my history. I have so

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<v Speaker 1>much that happened so fast, and so my brain has

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<v Speaker 1>a hard time remembering specific scheduled dates. So let's stay

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<v Speaker 1>with Randy for a second. How did you literally get

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<v Speaker 1>connected with her? Well? Through music and I she came

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<v Speaker 1>to Nashville. Um, I met her with Tanya Tucker as well,

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<v Speaker 1>and we just became fast friends. And when Mom died,

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<v Speaker 1>she literally stopped what she was doing and flew in

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<v Speaker 1>to sing at the memorial, and um, you always remember

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<v Speaker 1>who your people are there at moments like that, your

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<v Speaker 1>wedding or a funeral. Um. And Brandy became literally the

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<v Speaker 1>person that I sat in the um dressing room and

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<v Speaker 1>just wept openly because she and I trust her. I

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<v Speaker 1>trust her with my life really professionally and personally. She's

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<v Speaker 1>been to the farm, We've been on a side by

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<v Speaker 1>side together talking about Joni Mitchell and just loving music

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<v Speaker 1>and UM, I want I'm working on a song with

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<v Speaker 1>her right now. You say you're fun. Can you expand that? Well?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I have a little bit of a reputation

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<v Speaker 1>for being really serious, and I think it comes from

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<v Speaker 1>being stuck on a bus with my mom for ten years. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and I I will say I lost a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of my joy because everything was really strict and specific.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was raised She's a tough sum bitch and

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<v Speaker 1>I was raised with her, you know, being the boss lady.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I became solo, I went out and got

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<v Speaker 1>a tattoo and Bota Harley if that tells you anything.

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<v Speaker 1>And since then I've been trying to get away with

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<v Speaker 1>as much as I can legally, and I just really try,

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<v Speaker 1>I try really hard to not take all this so

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<v Speaker 1>stinking seriously because it gets really old, really fast. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so by time this year's because the event and the

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<v Speaker 1>plia is literally just a couple of days away. Are

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<v Speaker 1>you going to be the type person who's hanging in

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<v Speaker 1>your hotel room? Are you gonna be available? You're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be drinking, You're gonna be smoking, and what's why? No,

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<v Speaker 1>They're gonna be like down in Mexico. You tell me,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so ready to I bought a wig for eighties night.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm gonna wear Spandex because you know it's

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<v Speaker 1>coming back, and I'm gonna they want me to do

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like show up and do bingo and shoot, I'm available.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's put it that way. Brand If Brandy were to

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<v Speaker 1>call me up and say we're doing um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a congo line, I would run down and do it

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm I think it's really important in this day

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<v Speaker 1>and age to connect with people and more intimately, especially

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<v Speaker 1>because I think the business is so wacky that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>looking to literally meet the girl who says I have

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<v Speaker 1>no idea who you are. She's probably twenty something thirty something,

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<v Speaker 1>and she has no idea. And the only reason she

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<v Speaker 1>knows me is because of Brandy. That's the person I'm

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<v Speaker 1>seeking out. So if she calls me and says, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>come to the bar, bring it okay. So where do

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<v Speaker 1>you live right now? I don't want the address, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, generally you can go on YouTube and find it. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So I live on a farm. I bought land in

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<v Speaker 1>ninet for dollars an acre, and I live on a

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<v Speaker 1>five acre farm that's next to my mom's farm, and

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<v Speaker 1>we have a compound. Ashley lives on the land. I

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<v Speaker 1>gave her a house and she lives on the property,

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<v Speaker 1>and my mom's right next door her house. I talk

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<v Speaker 1>about her still like she's here, which is interesting. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I live on the other side. It's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like a v if you were to make a triangle.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the strongest force in the universe. And we live

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<v Speaker 1>in a triangle and we have a lake that separates us.

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<v Speaker 1>And how far is this from so called civilization? Let's

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<v Speaker 1>see here. I think the smallest town is about three

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<v Speaker 1>or four miles away, and it's tiny. No stoplight, people

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<v Speaker 1>walk right, horses, and it's just it's like genteel. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just a really cool little town. It's like what Aspen

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<v Speaker 1>probably doably was when it first started. And then you

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<v Speaker 1>go into town, probably ten miles into Franklin, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>our big city. And for those who were not tennessee, uh, connoisseurs,

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<v Speaker 1>Franklin is how far from Nashville. Let's see, I would

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<v Speaker 1>say Franklin is about forty five minutes to an hour

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<v Speaker 1>from downtown Nashville and then music Row. I would say

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<v Speaker 1>I could make it there in about forty two minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure not it's forty three. But okay. You talk about

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<v Speaker 1>having a very strict mother, one would think you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>live on the same piece of property. Well, there's a fence.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a really good fence. Um. You know, that's an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting thing because the more I see the story from

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<v Speaker 1>where I'm at right now, now that she's gone, as

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<v Speaker 1>much as I did to get away from the strict um,

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<v Speaker 1>she was really all I had. You know, some people

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<v Speaker 1>would say, you know, Stockholm syndrome, you're gonna go crazy

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<v Speaker 1>there for a minute. And then some people would say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>they just didn't know any better. I think I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was the way it was in my life. She

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<v Speaker 1>was so centerpiece. In other words, I worked for her. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything was about yes ma'am and no ma'am. Okay, you're

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<v Speaker 1>on the farm. How social are you, whether seeing people

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<v Speaker 1>in person, staying in contact with eye, message or however

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<v Speaker 1>you might or you more of a home body doing

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<v Speaker 1>your own thing. I'm an I'm an omnivert, which is

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<v Speaker 1>both omnivert. Uh. It depends on the day. It depends

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<v Speaker 1>on whether or not I have on makeup. I'm a loner.

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<v Speaker 1>I walk in the wilderness. I have eleven dogs and

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<v Speaker 1>close to forty animals, and so I have my farm life.

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<v Speaker 1>We grow a garden. We are home bodies. Yet I'm very,

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<v Speaker 1>very used to going into town and how having a

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<v Speaker 1>burger at the local diner there and people know me

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<v Speaker 1>first name. You know, how's it going? When? When does

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<v Speaker 1>your tour start? Would you like a hot dog or

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<v Speaker 1>a hamburger? And here's a coke? And it's just small town.

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<v Speaker 1>It's awesome because people don't really care because a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of us live out there. Just so you know, Bob,

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<v Speaker 1>we live in It's sort of an area where next

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<v Speaker 1>to me, is Carrie Underwood down the streets Riba. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of people out there that have decided they

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<v Speaker 1>want to live out on the land and not be

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<v Speaker 1>you know, downtown Nashville. And you see you have a farm.

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<v Speaker 1>We talk about a garden. Uh. You know, are you

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<v Speaker 1>a gentle person farmer? Do you have horses? You go

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<v Speaker 1>out on your a t V? Or you just have

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<v Speaker 1>enough land so you don't have to be right up

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<v Speaker 1>next to the HOI POI I'm in it to win it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm in the mud. Um. The garden is my life.

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<v Speaker 1>When it's planted. I completely cook. I put in a

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<v Speaker 1>pro kitchen. I cooked for forty over Thanksgiving, and um, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you can come to my house and I'll cook for you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm known as why Hop. I make a mean breakfast

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<v Speaker 1>a brunch. If you will be uh at the table

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<v Speaker 1>that seats twelve, and we will sit there and we

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<v Speaker 1>will talk about life um on the farm. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I'll turn around and put on my sparkles and my

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<v Speaker 1>undergarments and go out. And I'm, you know, the queen

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<v Speaker 1>of the night. Uh. It's an interesting life. I love

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<v Speaker 1>the farm. I love to get dirty. I lived two lives.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, who are the forty people who came

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<v Speaker 1>for Thanksgiving? People that I really like. I decided to

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<v Speaker 1>go with people that I really like this time. It

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<v Speaker 1>was really, really fair and wonderful. These people were as

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<v Speaker 1>close to normal as I've ever had in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Normal is just in our family, a cycle on the

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<v Speaker 1>washing machine. So I ordered, um, let's see a eat tenderloins,

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<v Speaker 1>and I suvied, and I cooked everything from scratch, including

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<v Speaker 1>the cornbread for the dressing. And I invited my son

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<v Speaker 1>and his wife. My son has been with his girlfriend

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<v Speaker 1>since they were fifteen years old. Elijah is my assault

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<v Speaker 1>of the earth, and um, he's been married now for

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of years. And I invited his whole family,

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<v Speaker 1>her whole family. So that was like fifteen right there.

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<v Speaker 1>So I I literally ordered enough food for the people

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<v Speaker 1>that are the closest to me. We're hillbillies, I'll be

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<v Speaker 1>honest with you. We don't do fancy. We do paper plates,

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<v Speaker 1>and um, we just hang out, you know. We do

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<v Speaker 1>a bonfire and we sit around and some drink whiskey

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<v Speaker 1>and some drink you know, kool aid, and the kids

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<v Speaker 1>come and the dogs bark, and we're we're dysfunctional, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and it works. Would you cook suvied the tenderloin? It

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<v Speaker 1>was to another method. That's a really good question. I

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<v Speaker 1>think I did it because I wanted to try something fancy.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to be like, you know, the chef of

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<v Speaker 1>the of the deal. And Thanksgiving for me this year

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<v Speaker 1>was really painful. Um My mama has a cookbook, and

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<v Speaker 1>I went and got some of the recipes from the cookbook,

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<v Speaker 1>and my grandmother and my nana she cooked for about

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<v Speaker 1>forty people on a riverboat every night. So we're known

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<v Speaker 1>for our Southern cooking. And I just wanted it to

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<v Speaker 1>be a little fancier. And I didn't want to do

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<v Speaker 1>it Turkey necessarily because we had it on an alternative day.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the alternative parent, just so you know, I'm the

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<v Speaker 1>one that says, Okay, Christmas is gonna come on the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one this year, because everybody's got divorced parents, you

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<v Speaker 1>know how it is. Families are um split in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of ways, and Thanksgiving as stressful. So I did

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<v Speaker 1>it on a day where people just wanted to come

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<v Speaker 1>over and hang out, and it was beautiful because it

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<v Speaker 1>was an alternative to the stress and the pressure of commercialization.

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<v Speaker 1>So how did you learn how to cook suvied which

0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:03.800
<v Speaker 1>is cook in water for those who don't know. It's French. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I learned it from I had a chef for ten

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<v Speaker 1>years and she taught me an awful lot about different things,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just thought, you know, it's something that I

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<v Speaker 1>want to do because you can put it in the bath,

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<v Speaker 1>the hot bath, the water bath, and you can leave

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<v Speaker 1>it for four hours in the tech and the tenderloin

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<v Speaker 1>stays at the same temperature for all that time, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you take it out. It's a reverse seer, and

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<v Speaker 1>you take it out and you see her the crap

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<v Speaker 1>out of it on your cast iron skillet. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>do much without a cast iron skillet, by the way.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you just are like, wow, this is exciting.

0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:38.840
<v Speaker 1>I can taste it right now. I love good tenderloind

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<v Speaker 1>You know you've gone on in your history about your

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<v Speaker 1>relationship with food and body image. Where are you at

0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:50.000
<v Speaker 1>on that now? Well, I'll be fifty nine in May.

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<v Speaker 1>Where am I with body image? That's a really good question.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how to answer that. I will tell

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<v Speaker 1>you I work really hard at acceptance. There's so much

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<v Speaker 1>I would change change, And without going into too much detail,

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<v Speaker 1>I will tell you this, I don't weigh and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't worry as much as I used to. I used

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<v Speaker 1>to worry so much about it. I used to fret

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<v Speaker 1>and just stay on myself, and I just don't do

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<v Speaker 1>that anymore. I have a husband who loves me, who's

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<v Speaker 1>been in my life since I was twenty six, and um,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm okay today, Ask me tomorrow. It may

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<v Speaker 1>be different. Okay. And in terms of health and exercise,

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<v Speaker 1>you're just doing what feels good or do you have

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<v Speaker 1>a regiment or a trainer? Yes, it depends on the tour,

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<v Speaker 1>depends on I'm getting ready to go on tour and

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<v Speaker 1>do three back to back shows a week, twenty six

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<v Speaker 1>songs a night, so I've got to, you know, increase

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<v Speaker 1>my cardio. I kind of do it as I need to. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>As you know, as you grow older, you lose muscle.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm having to work with a trainer on the

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<v Speaker 1>waits part because I'm not really that savvy when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to working out in a gym. So I do

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<v Speaker 1>have a trainer and I have somebody who helps me

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<v Speaker 1>with that. And then I walk out on the farm,

0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:09.600
<v Speaker 1>I do what's called meditative walking. You know, when you

0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:12.320
<v Speaker 1>walk out in the wilderness, you whether you cry or

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<v Speaker 1>cuss or pray, it's a time to just be in

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<v Speaker 1>the woods. And that's my favorite. That's actually my favorite

0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:22.800
<v Speaker 1>because I don't realize that I'm exercising. I walk because

0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:24.800
<v Speaker 1>it just feels good and I'm going somewhere where I

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<v Speaker 1>love the farm. And is the ground relatively flat or hilly?

0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:33.520
<v Speaker 1>It's both. It depends on where you go on the farm. Um,

0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:35.480
<v Speaker 1>when you get to the lake, it goes up the

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<v Speaker 1>hill and it's an amazing piece of land. I can

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<v Speaker 1>honestly say that it's in the heart of one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most beautiful pieces of land in Tennessee, and so

0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:47.280
<v Speaker 1>many people want to live there. It's again like very

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<v Speaker 1>much like Aspen. It started out. It's a small town

0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:55.760
<v Speaker 1>that turned into an incredible, incredibly popular and everybody wants

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<v Speaker 1>to be there. You know, the busses are coming with

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<v Speaker 1>the or addresses of all. Yeah, the tourists are coming,

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<v Speaker 1>the buses are coming, and people are wanting to come

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<v Speaker 1>out there and be a part of our society because

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<v Speaker 1>it's just so different. The sun goes down, then what

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<v Speaker 1>do you do. Gosh, it depends. Um, I'm making supper tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>I make supper pretty much every night. I cook for

0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:22.359
<v Speaker 1>my husband. I have a thing about that, and I

0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:26.679
<v Speaker 1>think being married to your manager husband, drummer, band member,

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<v Speaker 1>we're together all the time, and I try to pick

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<v Speaker 1>things to do for him during the daytime that don't

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<v Speaker 1>involve business. So we turn off our phones, we sit down,

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<v Speaker 1>we have dinner. We've been watching you know, Yellowstone and

0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:44.040
<v Speaker 1>all the shows that are on Netflix. I don't watch

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of TV unless it's something, and of course

0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:49.000
<v Speaker 1>I always say it I tape it because I come

0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:53.400
<v Speaker 1>from cassettes. But we record stuff and we watch it. Um,

0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:55.439
<v Speaker 1>if it's nice outside, we go sit outside and we

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<v Speaker 1>do a lot of fire. I'm a fire maniac. I

0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:01.520
<v Speaker 1>love fire. Can't have enough fire places. I do would

0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:05.200
<v Speaker 1>fires as many times as I can per week. So

0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:08.440
<v Speaker 1>it's it's outside. We live outside as much as we can.

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<v Speaker 1>And where does the wood come from the farm? Do

0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:15.600
<v Speaker 1>you cut it yourself? And your husband cuts it yourself.

0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:18.199
<v Speaker 1>We have a farm manager that cuts it and we

0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:21.040
<v Speaker 1>do log on the farm. That's what kept me going

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<v Speaker 1>during the pandemic was logging, and we cut down very

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<v Speaker 1>few trees, and because we've had tornadoes. We live where

0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:32.480
<v Speaker 1>the tornadoes hit us, and so we had three thousand

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<v Speaker 1>trees that we took down out of the farm that

0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:40.520
<v Speaker 1>we're blown down by the tornadoes. We're a hearty bunch

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<v Speaker 1>and we get it done okay. And when you're off,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're not on the road and forgetting, as you

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<v Speaker 1>put it, the pandemic. Do you travel for sport, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it be in America, Europe, whatever, or if you're not

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<v Speaker 1>working your home. Absolutely again, I'm a loner. I like

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<v Speaker 1>to be on myself. Um. I love to be with

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<v Speaker 1>the animals. We have miniature donkeys and pigs and chickens,

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<v Speaker 1>and I love to cook and be around people that

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<v Speaker 1>I love. My son and his wife are still living

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<v Speaker 1>with us until next week when they close on their house,

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<v Speaker 1>their very first house, and I like to be at home.

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<v Speaker 1>I've designed the house to where I don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>leave if I don't want to. We have the studio

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<v Speaker 1>there on the property, so Robert Ware came out to

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<v Speaker 1>the farm and walked into the studio right there right

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<v Speaker 1>behind our house. I have a golf cart and I

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<v Speaker 1>go back and forth and we live on the farm.

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<v Speaker 1>We live and work on the farm. I had to

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<v Speaker 1>come into town today because our WIFEI is out, so

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<v Speaker 1>we still live in the country where we have to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with the realities. Okay, if you're a loner, how

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<v Speaker 1>does that work in relationships? Mm hmm, that's a really

0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:58.320
<v Speaker 1>great question. I have what I call the dream team

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<v Speaker 1>of people around me, and I'm not really very social.

0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:03.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't go out to parties and I don't really

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<v Speaker 1>go to events anymore. I used to back when I

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<v Speaker 1>was in my twenties. And you know, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm working on a record right now. I'll talk seasonally.

0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:15.320
<v Speaker 1>We're working on a record right now, we're working on

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<v Speaker 1>the tour. I'm working on writing a book and doing

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<v Speaker 1>a cookbook, and I'm always working on projects. Like you

0:21:22.760 --> 0:21:26.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, we're always working. We're always doing something. So

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<v Speaker 1>I like to spend time doing that, and then when

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not doing that, I like to get away with

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<v Speaker 1>us with doing as little as possible because my life

0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:36.880
<v Speaker 1>is so um. I just met with my doctor yesterday

0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:39.160
<v Speaker 1>and she said, you know, let's talk about your adrenal

0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:43.880
<v Speaker 1>glands started laughing and I said, I don't know how

0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:47.720
<v Speaker 1>I do it because I have so much energy. Um,

0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:50.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm just always doing stuff, man, I'm always looking for

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<v Speaker 1>something to do. Okay, So let's just say it's you

0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:55.720
<v Speaker 1>and your husband in the house. Does he know to

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<v Speaker 1>leave you alone at certain times? You're in your own head,

0:21:58.400 --> 0:22:01.880
<v Speaker 1>you're doing your own thing. He's a cowboy, he's a maverick.

0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:05.159
<v Speaker 1>He's my king. He's always doing something. And I have

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<v Speaker 1>to actually either text him down at the studio and

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<v Speaker 1>say supper is ready, or I have to walk where

0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:14.160
<v Speaker 1>he is and say, hey, let's go take a walk

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<v Speaker 1>or do something. And he Tomorrow night is date night,

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<v Speaker 1>so we have date night. And he's really good about

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<v Speaker 1>He's very maternal. Yet he is a cowboy and so

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<v Speaker 1>he's always eas either riding horses, working on a song,

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<v Speaker 1>smoking a cigar and drinking his whiskey, or shooting his gun.

0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:38.000
<v Speaker 1>So he's a pretty busy guy. And so we get

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<v Speaker 1>together usually after six thirty seven o'clock at night. We

0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:45.960
<v Speaker 1>sort of have a date every night for supper. And

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<v Speaker 1>he tragically lost his leg, uh in a motorcycle accident.

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<v Speaker 1>But you showed me a picture before we started of

0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:59.520
<v Speaker 1>him skiing, So how have he and you coped with

0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:04.400
<v Speaker 1>the loss of his leg? Well, if you know cactus

0:23:04.400 --> 0:23:09.040
<v Speaker 1>mosure um, it's really hard to tell that he doesn't

0:23:09.040 --> 0:23:14.480
<v Speaker 1>have a leg. He is the most honestly. I heard

0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:17.359
<v Speaker 1>him complain one time when he lost the leg back

0:23:17.400 --> 0:23:20.320
<v Speaker 1>three months after we got married, and he said, honey,

0:23:20.359 --> 0:23:22.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm different, and I said, I know that, and I

0:23:22.600 --> 0:23:25.280
<v Speaker 1>took care of him and that We have a documentary

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<v Speaker 1>called The Road Back, and we talked about the entire experience,

0:23:30.560 --> 0:23:33.399
<v Speaker 1>which was tragic because he's a drummer, and he's one

0:23:33.440 --> 0:23:37.760
<v Speaker 1>of the great drummers um in our industry. How do

0:23:37.840 --> 0:23:40.360
<v Speaker 1>we deal with it? He he deals with it like

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't happen. Almost, It's like it's the it's the craziest,

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<v Speaker 1>most wonderful thing, because he just doesn't talk about it.

0:23:47.760 --> 0:23:49.760
<v Speaker 1>And the only time I notice it is when he

0:23:49.920 --> 0:23:54.000
<v Speaker 1>comes rolling in the kitchen for breakfast without his leg.

0:23:54.720 --> 0:23:57.439
<v Speaker 1>Otherwise he puts on that leg and it's like, let's go,

0:23:57.800 --> 0:24:00.840
<v Speaker 1>let's kick some ass. And he just doesn't let it

0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:03.840
<v Speaker 1>get him down. He just doesn't. And you know, he'll

0:24:03.880 --> 0:24:06.879
<v Speaker 1>cuss if it gets you know, if it moves the

0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:09.880
<v Speaker 1>wrong way or something every now and then. But I've

0:24:09.920 --> 0:24:13.200
<v Speaker 1>never known anybody as positive and as joy filled his

0:24:13.320 --> 0:24:16.960
<v Speaker 1>Cactus Mosure. He's um the love of my life. I've

0:24:17.000 --> 0:24:18.959
<v Speaker 1>I've loved him since I was twenty six years old,

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<v Speaker 1>when I met him on tour with Highway one oh

0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:25.040
<v Speaker 1>one opening for the juds. And where does this leave you?

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<v Speaker 1>On motorcycles, I haven't sitting in my driveway. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>in my driveway in the the garage. I haven't sold

0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:36.720
<v Speaker 1>it yet. I haven't ridden since the accident, and I

0:24:36.840 --> 0:24:48.200
<v Speaker 1>probably never will. We're sticking to horses. Okay, so you

0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:51.520
<v Speaker 1>met Cactus when you were twenty six, but you were

0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:56.080
<v Speaker 1>married before, you had relationships before. What you learn about

0:24:56.119 --> 0:25:03.160
<v Speaker 1>relationships now, I'm not really good at them. Um. I'm

0:25:03.200 --> 0:25:07.560
<v Speaker 1>such a an emotional, impath kind of girl that I

0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:10.800
<v Speaker 1>didn't have any boundaries and I didn't have any way of,

0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:15.800
<v Speaker 1>um saying no. And I'm such a chronic people pleaser

0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:19.240
<v Speaker 1>that I had a really rough time. That's why I

0:25:19.280 --> 0:25:21.440
<v Speaker 1>didn't date very much. I think I had one boyfriend

0:25:21.440 --> 0:25:24.120
<v Speaker 1>at eighteen, and then I got really really famous, which

0:25:24.240 --> 0:25:26.439
<v Speaker 1>is kind of hard to get a date when your

0:25:26.480 --> 0:25:30.040
<v Speaker 1>mom's standing right there. And uh, I just didn't date

0:25:30.160 --> 0:25:33.000
<v Speaker 1>very often, and when I did, it was usually I

0:25:33.040 --> 0:25:34.919
<v Speaker 1>just took a date to the Award show of somebody

0:25:34.920 --> 0:25:36.760
<v Speaker 1>that I knew, like Dwight Yoakum. You know, I was

0:25:36.760 --> 0:25:40.239
<v Speaker 1>always hanging out with the guys, and yet I was

0:25:41.080 --> 0:25:44.480
<v Speaker 1>so very very shy, very painfully shy. And what happened

0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:46.000
<v Speaker 1>to me when I wrote about it in my book,

0:25:46.760 --> 0:25:50.080
<v Speaker 1>I just didn't trust men, and I didn't hang out

0:25:50.160 --> 0:25:52.720
<v Speaker 1>with them romantically. I hung out with them as my

0:25:52.760 --> 0:25:55.840
<v Speaker 1>brothers on the road. The crew is always my my brothers.

0:25:55.840 --> 0:25:57.720
<v Speaker 1>Those were the people that I grew up with the most.

0:25:57.760 --> 0:26:00.719
<v Speaker 1>Those are my memories of having the crew, being with

0:26:00.760 --> 0:26:05.359
<v Speaker 1>the crew and there my family. So um. I didn't

0:26:05.359 --> 0:26:07.280
<v Speaker 1>have a boyfriend at the time I met Cactus, and

0:26:07.320 --> 0:26:09.200
<v Speaker 1>when I did meet him, I was so in love

0:26:09.800 --> 0:26:11.720
<v Speaker 1>and my mom knew it, and she and I fought

0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:13.680
<v Speaker 1>a lot because she was like, no, hell no, you're

0:26:13.720 --> 0:26:16.080
<v Speaker 1>not going to date a musician. Of course, I would say,

0:26:16.320 --> 0:26:19.040
<v Speaker 1>he's not a musician, he's a drummer, and then we

0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:23.400
<v Speaker 1>would fight until dawn. Okay, you met him at twenty six.

0:26:23.440 --> 0:26:26.639
<v Speaker 1>She didn't marry him for a number of years. So

0:26:26.680 --> 0:26:30.360
<v Speaker 1>you fought with your mother. Then what happened? Then? Then

0:26:30.440 --> 0:26:33.640
<v Speaker 1>I met a guy and I had two children and

0:26:33.680 --> 0:26:36.160
<v Speaker 1>I got married The second time, because I got pregnant

0:26:36.200 --> 0:26:39.200
<v Speaker 1>without being married, and back then it was like, oh,

0:26:40.119 --> 0:26:43.960
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't work. And so I got married and then

0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:47.159
<v Speaker 1>I got divorced and spent three years walking in the

0:26:47.160 --> 0:26:51.280
<v Speaker 1>wilderness by myself, raising two kids. And then I met

0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:55.080
<v Speaker 1>my then husband, who was my bodyguard at the time,

0:26:55.960 --> 0:27:01.160
<v Speaker 1>and then uh, yeah, that went to hell. So here

0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:04.679
<v Speaker 1>I am. Was it a matter of meeting Cactus? He

0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:07.639
<v Speaker 1>was the one your mother wouldn't let you be with him,

0:27:07.720 --> 0:27:09.879
<v Speaker 1>and you had to go on this circuitous route to

0:27:09.880 --> 0:27:13.600
<v Speaker 1>get back to him. Yes, my mom got sick, just

0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:15.359
<v Speaker 1>so you know. We were on tour together for a

0:27:15.440 --> 0:27:18.240
<v Speaker 1>year and he kissed me and that was it. I

0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:21.600
<v Speaker 1>would have married him, you know then. But Mom got

0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:24.320
<v Speaker 1>really sick and she went to the Mayo clinic and

0:27:24.359 --> 0:27:26.520
<v Speaker 1>I went with her, and Cactus called me up and

0:27:26.560 --> 0:27:28.879
<v Speaker 1>said I'll go with you, and I said, no, I

0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:31.240
<v Speaker 1>need to take care of my mom. And so her

0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:34.639
<v Speaker 1>illness sort of became, you know, front and center. And

0:27:34.680 --> 0:27:37.200
<v Speaker 1>then we went on tour and everything got really chaotic

0:27:37.280 --> 0:27:41.000
<v Speaker 1>and crazy, crazy crazy. So he went on to l

0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:43.920
<v Speaker 1>A became one of the great session players out there,

0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:48.280
<v Speaker 1>and met his wife and got married and they had

0:27:48.680 --> 0:27:51.080
<v Speaker 1>three kids, and so I have two and so together

0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:56.520
<v Speaker 1>we have five. So how do you reconnect well as

0:27:56.560 --> 0:28:01.160
<v Speaker 1>life would have it? Um, I walked into a bar, uh,

0:28:01.160 --> 0:28:04.160
<v Speaker 1>sort of one of those speakeasies here in our little

0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:08.160
<v Speaker 1>town of Franklin, and he was playing drums and I

0:28:08.200 --> 0:28:11.919
<v Speaker 1>saw him and it was like, oh my god. And

0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:14.159
<v Speaker 1>it was thirty years after you know, we went on

0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:17.400
<v Speaker 1>tour together and my mom was right over there with

0:28:17.440 --> 0:28:20.520
<v Speaker 1>me and I told Rus, said, don't you even my fingers?

0:28:21.200 --> 0:28:26.800
<v Speaker 1>And we reconnected? He said, um, call me and I

0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:29.480
<v Speaker 1>called his cell and he had separated from his wife

0:28:29.480 --> 0:28:33.320
<v Speaker 1>and I had separated from my husband, and we went

0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:36.320
<v Speaker 1>on a date. And that was it, like thank you

0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:44.440
<v Speaker 1>very much. Wow. And then you know, it's very difficult

0:28:44.600 --> 0:28:49.280
<v Speaker 1>to raise kids when you're a famous working person. M hm.

0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:56.080
<v Speaker 1>And how was that for you? You know, I I

0:28:56.160 --> 0:28:58.960
<v Speaker 1>have to say that this is interesting you're asking me

0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:00.840
<v Speaker 1>this because I haven't talked to out this a lot.

0:29:01.560 --> 0:29:03.720
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to be a mom ever since I was

0:29:03.760 --> 0:29:06.840
<v Speaker 1>a teenager, and I knew. I even said I will

0:29:06.880 --> 0:29:09.960
<v Speaker 1>have a baby at thirty and I did. Elijah Jed

0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:14.000
<v Speaker 1>saved my life and I wrote a book called titled

0:29:14.880 --> 0:29:18.760
<v Speaker 1>Coming Home to myself, because when I got pregnant and

0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:22.520
<v Speaker 1>I was this you know, super duper working girl out

0:29:22.520 --> 0:29:25.160
<v Speaker 1>there on the road and headlining and the pressures of

0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:28.120
<v Speaker 1>being yeah and the public eye and touring and all

0:29:28.120 --> 0:29:31.120
<v Speaker 1>the stuff that comes with it. When I got pregnant,

0:29:31.360 --> 0:29:35.480
<v Speaker 1>it took everything and put it aside because being pregnant

0:29:35.480 --> 0:29:38.040
<v Speaker 1>was all I cared about. I traveled with a doppler,

0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:41.200
<v Speaker 1>I listened to the heartbeat every day, and I was

0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:43.600
<v Speaker 1>in love. And I think it's the first time in

0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:47.080
<v Speaker 1>my life, Bob, that I just felt like I was

0:29:47.120 --> 0:29:50.640
<v Speaker 1>with myself and I was not just a working person

0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:53.200
<v Speaker 1>that I really, you know, had something to look forward

0:29:53.200 --> 0:29:55.680
<v Speaker 1>to that was my own that I didn't have to

0:29:56.000 --> 0:30:00.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, necessarily put out like product and get you know,

0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:03.480
<v Speaker 1>judged for it if you will. Having a baby is

0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:07.080
<v Speaker 1>such an intimate process that I became infatuated with the

0:30:07.120 --> 0:30:09.440
<v Speaker 1>whole process. And I took a year off. I went

0:30:09.480 --> 0:30:12.800
<v Speaker 1>and paid everybody for the year. I had a hundred

0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:16.480
<v Speaker 1>date tour and um, I paid everybody and went home

0:30:16.520 --> 0:30:19.720
<v Speaker 1>for a year and just had a baby and sat

0:30:19.760 --> 0:30:24.160
<v Speaker 1>home and made homemade baby food and sat by the

0:30:24.200 --> 0:30:26.280
<v Speaker 1>fire and just had a baby. And it was one

0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:30.240
<v Speaker 1>of the most glorious experiences of my life. So you

0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:34.920
<v Speaker 1>talked about Elijah has this storybook relationship with a girl

0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:38.040
<v Speaker 1>that he met at a young age. To what degree

0:30:38.120 --> 0:30:40.920
<v Speaker 1>is he independent? Now? To what degree is he on

0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:43.960
<v Speaker 1>the payroll? Oh, he's not in the payroll. As a

0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:45.800
<v Speaker 1>matter of fact. He won't let me pay for stuff.

0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:52.600
<v Speaker 1>He's very, very independent as a matter of fact. Um,

0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:55.000
<v Speaker 1>we argue sometimes about, you know what, let me do it.

0:30:55.000 --> 0:30:58.600
<v Speaker 1>Because he's a canine officer, he's a first responder, so

0:30:58.680 --> 0:31:01.760
<v Speaker 1>he has three job abs. He met his girlfriend at

0:31:01.760 --> 0:31:04.880
<v Speaker 1>a football game when they were fifteen. They're now married.

0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:07.240
<v Speaker 1>They just bought their first house. They closed next week,

0:31:07.840 --> 0:31:12.160
<v Speaker 1>and I offered to help him with something and he said, nope, Mom,

0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:16.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna do it myself and he'll come out on

0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:18.440
<v Speaker 1>the road with me and I'll have him work a

0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:22.280
<v Speaker 1>few dates as security and I'll pay him through Wine

0:31:22.280 --> 0:31:24.280
<v Speaker 1>on It Incorporated. But he will not let me pay

0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:28.080
<v Speaker 1>for stuff. And he's adamant about it. Wow, that's a rare.

0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:32.680
<v Speaker 1>It's very rare, and I know it, and yet I

0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:34.960
<v Speaker 1>continue to try to push and give and give and give,

0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:38.120
<v Speaker 1>and he's just like, Mom, you know what, last year, Bob,

0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:40.520
<v Speaker 1>I gave him some land on the farm, and that

0:31:40.920 --> 0:31:43.920
<v Speaker 1>to him is everything, and that's enough, and he won't

0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:47.840
<v Speaker 1>let me do more. So that's sort of like the

0:31:47.880 --> 0:31:53.000
<v Speaker 1>creme de la creme. That's pretty amazing. Um, let's talk

0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:56.960
<v Speaker 1>about your mother. You know, not only did your mother die,

0:31:57.720 --> 0:32:00.200
<v Speaker 1>she took her own life. My best friend of the

0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:04.600
<v Speaker 1>same thing. It's a very strange experience of mental health

0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:09.200
<v Speaker 1>issues once again, but it's a very public thing for you.

0:32:09.320 --> 0:32:12.640
<v Speaker 1>And she's your mother. My mother died two years ago

0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:16.680
<v Speaker 1>like that a Rolling Stone song, and my mother certainly

0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:20.800
<v Speaker 1>was not famous. I have mixed emotions, and there's a

0:32:20.840 --> 0:32:24.240
<v Speaker 1>famous book out right now someone wrote about that they're

0:32:24.280 --> 0:32:30.320
<v Speaker 1>glad their mother died. So you know, what's it like

0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:39.560
<v Speaker 1>coping with all this. Well, I just wrote a line

0:32:39.560 --> 0:32:42.880
<v Speaker 1>in a song with my husband that said, I'm somewhere

0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:50.360
<v Speaker 1>between hell and Hallelujah. Yeah, I I thought of it

0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:56.600
<v Speaker 1>just because of my experience. Um, the pain has stopped, hallelujah.

0:32:57.120 --> 0:33:02.280
<v Speaker 1>The pain has stopped. The hell is going over to

0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:04.880
<v Speaker 1>her house and seeing all her stuff and she's gone,

0:33:05.480 --> 0:33:08.080
<v Speaker 1>And that's just not something you can talk about without crying.

0:33:08.200 --> 0:33:12.240
<v Speaker 1>Or I have three people that I call um that

0:33:12.360 --> 0:33:15.959
<v Speaker 1>I literally did work this morning on why is it

0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:18.320
<v Speaker 1>that I'm still so angry? Why can't I seem to

0:33:18.360 --> 0:33:22.360
<v Speaker 1>get past the anger piece? And it's because grieving is

0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:27.240
<v Speaker 1>a crazy mother trucker. There's no way you can say, well,

0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:32.400
<v Speaker 1>in five months, I'll do this and tomorrow I'll do that. Um.

0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:35.880
<v Speaker 1>My mother struggled and I knew it, and I always

0:33:35.960 --> 0:33:39.080
<v Speaker 1>kept I felt like I was keeping a secret. So

0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:43.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm grateful that the secret is no longer because secrets

0:33:43.120 --> 0:33:46.200
<v Speaker 1>keep you sick. And we all know about that one

0:33:46.720 --> 0:33:51.440
<v Speaker 1>who we've had experiences with, and my mother took her

0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:54.720
<v Speaker 1>own life is devastating because that's not how the story

0:33:54.800 --> 0:33:58.640
<v Speaker 1>is supposed to end. And so I'm really really frustrated

0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:01.360
<v Speaker 1>with the whole thing of having to talk about it

0:34:01.400 --> 0:34:04.040
<v Speaker 1>in interviews and explain it to people where I'm at,

0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:07.120
<v Speaker 1>because I know people are curious and I understand that,

0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:11.560
<v Speaker 1>and as we all know, online lots of buttholes and opinions,

0:34:12.239 --> 0:34:14.640
<v Speaker 1>and um, I just try to live as honestly as

0:34:14.640 --> 0:34:19.759
<v Speaker 1>I can. I struggle a lot at night. That's when

0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:23.000
<v Speaker 1>the noise is really really really loud, and so I

0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:25.719
<v Speaker 1>walk the halls and I pray, and sometimes I cry

0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:29.560
<v Speaker 1>and sometimes I write, and UM, I have a granddaughter

0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:34.040
<v Speaker 1>who gives me an incredible amount of hope. You know,

0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:36.560
<v Speaker 1>both of my parents are dead at this point, which

0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:41.200
<v Speaker 1>is kind of weird to say, but as I say,

0:34:41.280 --> 0:34:43.920
<v Speaker 1>it's very sad when they passed. But there's also a

0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:47.960
<v Speaker 1>certain freedom involved. Remember when my father died, and died

0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:51.160
<v Speaker 1>at a relatively young age by today's standards, at seventy

0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:53.560
<v Speaker 1>of cancer, and my mother had a car accident. If

0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:55.600
<v Speaker 1>you had a dent in the car with my father,

0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:58.680
<v Speaker 1>he would go berserk, and she realized, well, she could

0:34:58.719 --> 0:35:00.719
<v Speaker 1>just take the car and get it fit. It wasn't

0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:04.400
<v Speaker 1>like the biggest crisis. And my mother was both my

0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:12.040
<v Speaker 1>inspiration and my nemesis. So has there been any relief

0:35:12.280 --> 0:35:20.040
<v Speaker 1>amongst the tragedy? That is a really interesting word. I

0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:23.840
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't say relief. I think I feel a sense of

0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:28.600
<v Speaker 1>a new season starting of independence. So I don't know

0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:34.120
<v Speaker 1>if the word relief fits me. I know that I feel. Um,

0:35:34.160 --> 0:35:35.960
<v Speaker 1>I'll give you an example of a story, because I

0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:38.080
<v Speaker 1>love telling stories, because I think that's how people learn

0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:41.200
<v Speaker 1>the best. Um. I was on stage. I was at

0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:43.560
<v Speaker 1>sound check and they were playing the video behind me

0:35:43.680 --> 0:35:47.760
<v Speaker 1>of mom and I don't know, it just it caught

0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:50.440
<v Speaker 1>me really out of nowhere. It just caught me, and

0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:54.080
<v Speaker 1>I turned right around and looked at the at the

0:35:54.120 --> 0:35:59.200
<v Speaker 1>screen and I said, um, I've lost ten pounds mom,

0:35:59.239 --> 0:36:01.480
<v Speaker 1>and ever I started laughing, and I just kind of

0:36:01.520 --> 0:36:04.400
<v Speaker 1>caught myself, like I'm still doing it. You know. I

0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:08.520
<v Speaker 1>still feel the the tug of war sometimes with her,

0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:12.480
<v Speaker 1>the love and the not so much, and I still

0:36:12.560 --> 0:36:15.640
<v Speaker 1>feel it. I still feel so mad at her because

0:36:15.680 --> 0:36:17.480
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to come back so I can argue with her.

0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:20.680
<v Speaker 1>And the last fight we ever had, I told her

0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:23.520
<v Speaker 1>that if she didn't stop talking that I was going

0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:25.560
<v Speaker 1>to pull her wig off and hit her with it.

0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:32.520
<v Speaker 1>And she looked at me, like, you are crazy, And

0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:36.080
<v Speaker 1>I started laughing because I have to. You know, it's

0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:38.840
<v Speaker 1>just sometimes too intense. But I don't know if the

0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:40.759
<v Speaker 1>word is relief. I think I just feel a little

0:36:40.760 --> 0:36:44.000
<v Speaker 1>bit more independent because you're right, we were or orphans.

0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:46.400
<v Speaker 1>We don't have our parents here anymore. We're not defined

0:36:46.480 --> 0:36:50.960
<v Speaker 1>or we're not waiting for approval or a comment. It's

0:36:51.040 --> 0:36:54.399
<v Speaker 1>just us. So there is that independence to you and me, God,

0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:57.760
<v Speaker 1>and that's kind of where I'm at. And what about

0:36:57.800 --> 0:37:02.200
<v Speaker 1>your father. I never knew my father. It's a matter

0:37:02.239 --> 0:37:06.239
<v Speaker 1>of fact. I found out about him in a tabloid. Um,

0:37:06.320 --> 0:37:08.040
<v Speaker 1>And by the time I got it together to go

0:37:08.120 --> 0:37:13.080
<v Speaker 1>meet him, he died very tragically and suddenly, and um,

0:37:13.120 --> 0:37:15.120
<v Speaker 1>I never got to know him. And I just met

0:37:15.160 --> 0:37:18.080
<v Speaker 1>my brother two years ago. So that's been a whole

0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:22.360
<v Speaker 1>chapter of Wow. That's all I can say about it.

0:37:22.440 --> 0:37:25.920
<v Speaker 1>It's just wow. It's like, oh my god, all these

0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:29.399
<v Speaker 1>years since finding out in the tablet a tabloid, why

0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:33.560
<v Speaker 1>did you just meet him? And was there an instinct connection?

0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:35.799
<v Speaker 1>How did you ultimately meet No? I didn't. I didn't

0:37:35.800 --> 0:37:37.759
<v Speaker 1>meet him, That's what I was saying. Two weeks I

0:37:37.800 --> 0:37:39.720
<v Speaker 1>had planned to go meet him in two weeks before

0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:42.640
<v Speaker 1>the date that I had chosen, he died. So I

0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:47.040
<v Speaker 1>never did. I meant, I meant you you met my brother. Um.

0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:50.239
<v Speaker 1>He drove down to the farm, he walked in the door,

0:37:51.280 --> 0:37:53.879
<v Speaker 1>and it's as if and I'm not exaggerating because I'm

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:58.640
<v Speaker 1>not that way, God forbid. Um, he and I picked

0:37:58.719 --> 0:38:04.040
<v Speaker 1>up right where we we're supposed to. I guess it

0:38:04.200 --> 0:38:06.839
<v Speaker 1>was like, Oh my god, we're so alike. He's just

0:38:06.920 --> 0:38:09.879
<v Speaker 1>like Elijah, and Elijah is just like him, and we're

0:38:09.920 --> 0:38:14.640
<v Speaker 1>just so connected. It's crazy, it's crazy good, and it's

0:38:14.680 --> 0:38:18.120
<v Speaker 1>the most delightful piece of information I have to give personally,

0:38:18.200 --> 0:38:22.520
<v Speaker 1>is that I finally, finally now know more about who

0:38:22.560 --> 0:38:25.080
<v Speaker 1>I am because I never knew my father, and there's

0:38:25.120 --> 0:38:27.800
<v Speaker 1>a question mark there for anybody who doesn't know their parents.

0:38:30.400 --> 0:38:35.040
<v Speaker 1>So your mother was a babe, living a babe life

0:38:35.920 --> 0:38:39.240
<v Speaker 1>seemingly always. What was that like as a little kid

0:38:39.640 --> 0:38:44.759
<v Speaker 1>with her being your mother? Horrible men would follow her home.

0:38:45.160 --> 0:38:47.560
<v Speaker 1>She was quite the baby, right. If you look at pictures,

0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:52.200
<v Speaker 1>it's like, to me, she's as gorgeous as any any

0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:57.040
<v Speaker 1>Hollywood actress I've ever seen. And it was a problem.

0:38:57.040 --> 0:38:59.120
<v Speaker 1>It was a real problem. And some of my trauma

0:38:59.200 --> 0:39:03.440
<v Speaker 1>comes from all of the experiences that I witnessed of

0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:08.840
<v Speaker 1>her living in Holly Weird, her being such a gypsy

0:39:08.880 --> 0:39:12.759
<v Speaker 1>spirit and having so many different boyfriends, and yeah, she

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:18.720
<v Speaker 1>was quite quite the babe. You're right, so you're growing up.

0:39:19.480 --> 0:39:23.120
<v Speaker 1>She's your mother. To what degree is she hands on

0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:25.839
<v Speaker 1>or to what we you're a free range child, boy,

0:39:25.880 --> 0:39:28.680
<v Speaker 1>that's a well. I walked to school by myself. I

0:39:28.719 --> 0:39:31.640
<v Speaker 1>was a latchkey kid, so it was very lonely and

0:39:31.680 --> 0:39:35.080
<v Speaker 1>we always lived for the most part besides Hollyward. We

0:39:36.000 --> 0:39:38.200
<v Speaker 1>lived in the country, so I was always by myself.

0:39:38.200 --> 0:39:42.200
<v Speaker 1>And that's why I became so infatuated and enamored by animals,

0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:45.960
<v Speaker 1>because they were my neighbors and my friends. And I

0:39:46.000 --> 0:39:50.000
<v Speaker 1>wasn't popular in school. I was the moody musician, dreamer,

0:39:50.080 --> 0:39:52.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, that just didn't fit in anywhere. But people

0:39:52.320 --> 0:39:55.200
<v Speaker 1>liked me because I was polite and I was a

0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:57.719
<v Speaker 1>good kid. I didn't get into trouble, and I was

0:39:57.760 --> 0:40:02.160
<v Speaker 1>always um wanting love and affection, and um my mom

0:40:02.239 --> 0:40:06.960
<v Speaker 1>was always working. So I kind of raised Ashley. We

0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:10.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of raised each other really, and we still talk

0:40:10.680 --> 0:40:14.920
<v Speaker 1>about that because mom was always gone working And what

0:40:14.960 --> 0:40:18.200
<v Speaker 1>do you say when you talk about that, how painful

0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:21.080
<v Speaker 1>it was. Um, I did not have a hands on parent,

0:40:21.560 --> 0:40:24.600
<v Speaker 1>and I parented myself as well as Ashley, and and

0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:27.560
<v Speaker 1>we grew up together. We were four years apart, so

0:40:27.640 --> 0:40:32.200
<v Speaker 1>I was the ten year old making dinner and I

0:40:32.280 --> 0:40:34.840
<v Speaker 1>was driving on the road at twelve thirteen. I was

0:40:34.920 --> 0:40:37.600
<v Speaker 1>driving on the road at thirteen, and my mom let

0:40:37.640 --> 0:40:39.600
<v Speaker 1>me because I guess she was always you know, working

0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:42.600
<v Speaker 1>as a nurse, and I I did all the chores

0:40:42.680 --> 0:40:45.920
<v Speaker 1>and so I was the kid who was responsible for

0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:48.720
<v Speaker 1>just about everything. I never remember doing a spring break.

0:40:48.760 --> 0:40:51.480
<v Speaker 1>I never remember going anywhere and having fun with friends,

0:40:51.560 --> 0:40:54.440
<v Speaker 1>not really. So it was a weird. It was a

0:40:54.440 --> 0:41:01.360
<v Speaker 1>weird life, I have to say. And where did music

0:41:01.400 --> 0:41:06.080
<v Speaker 1>come in? Oh, thank you Lord. It came in around

0:41:06.120 --> 0:41:10.200
<v Speaker 1>eight years of age. I discovered the piano, and I

0:41:10.280 --> 0:41:13.360
<v Speaker 1>discovered my voice before that, but I discovered an instrument

0:41:13.480 --> 0:41:15.920
<v Speaker 1>with my voice, and I just thought that was the

0:41:16.000 --> 0:41:19.239
<v Speaker 1>greatest thing in my life. And um it was third

0:41:19.280 --> 0:41:23.200
<v Speaker 1>grade and Joni Mitchell was it because there was a

0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:26.600
<v Speaker 1>woman in my life, a young woman who just worshiped

0:41:26.800 --> 0:41:30.080
<v Speaker 1>Joni Mitchell and played me every song Joanie ever recorded.

0:41:30.120 --> 0:41:33.680
<v Speaker 1>And I learned every nuance of every song and still

0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:36.200
<v Speaker 1>to this day, I can do the best harmony in

0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:40.680
<v Speaker 1>the world besides Brandy Um. And I learned Joni mitchell

0:41:40.760 --> 0:41:46.560
<v Speaker 1>songs and I became Joni Mitchell's absolute, you know, backup singer.

0:41:46.600 --> 0:41:47.920
<v Speaker 1>I could have gone on the road with her at

0:41:47.960 --> 0:41:52.000
<v Speaker 1>any given time, and it saved my life. Honestly, if

0:41:52.040 --> 0:41:54.200
<v Speaker 1>it hadn't been for Joanie, I probably would have tried

0:41:54.239 --> 0:41:58.240
<v Speaker 1>suicide before I did at eighteen. But the music kept

0:41:58.320 --> 0:42:03.920
<v Speaker 1>me alive early. Okay, you dropped that I gotta go

0:42:04.040 --> 0:42:08.520
<v Speaker 1>there attempting suicide at eight team, I sure did. I

0:42:08.560 --> 0:42:10.759
<v Speaker 1>got kicked out of the house and I went to

0:42:10.840 --> 0:42:13.680
<v Speaker 1>live with Ashley's biological father, and he was going to

0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:16.759
<v Speaker 1>send me to college and I was going to get

0:42:16.760 --> 0:42:18.919
<v Speaker 1>a job, and he cut off all my hair and

0:42:18.960 --> 0:42:21.520
<v Speaker 1>I was no longer who I was supposed to be

0:42:21.560 --> 0:42:24.799
<v Speaker 1>in my book, So why stick around? Because I was

0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:26.840
<v Speaker 1>no longer going to do music and be able to

0:42:26.880 --> 0:42:31.040
<v Speaker 1>be you know, Winona, which I had big plans, by

0:42:31.080 --> 0:42:33.799
<v Speaker 1>the way, big plans, and I was going to go

0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:35.920
<v Speaker 1>to college, and I just I couldn't take it. I

0:42:36.000 --> 0:42:38.200
<v Speaker 1>was just it was like somebody cut my wings off

0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:42.200
<v Speaker 1>and I attempted suicide at eighteen, and then what six

0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:47.760
<v Speaker 1>months later, I got a record deal. Okay, let's go back.

0:42:47.800 --> 0:42:54.200
<v Speaker 1>So the interest in music was yours independently, not your mother's.

0:42:56.560 --> 0:43:00.640
<v Speaker 1>It seems your mother was a driven woman men, and

0:43:00.680 --> 0:43:05.520
<v Speaker 1>if you look from outside, she needed more. She needed

0:43:05.880 --> 0:43:09.960
<v Speaker 1>to make it. Was it music or it just needed

0:43:09.960 --> 0:43:16.120
<v Speaker 1>to be something. Yes, I think she really was born

0:43:16.320 --> 0:43:19.040
<v Speaker 1>to be. My grandmother said to me when I was little,

0:43:19.960 --> 0:43:24.520
<v Speaker 1>your mother should have been a soap opera star. Now.

0:43:24.560 --> 0:43:26.959
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what that tells anybody else, but to me,

0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:32.040
<v Speaker 1>that tells me everything. And my mother has always been

0:43:32.960 --> 0:43:37.000
<v Speaker 1>the parade waiver. I mean, she's she's the Barbie doll,

0:43:37.120 --> 0:43:40.640
<v Speaker 1>She's all the cliches, you know. She was always up

0:43:40.719 --> 0:43:44.319
<v Speaker 1>for a good time. And I was so shy and

0:43:44.400 --> 0:43:49.399
<v Speaker 1>so backwards that I felt like Nell in the movie. Um.

0:43:49.440 --> 0:43:53.240
<v Speaker 1>I felt like this little hillbilly girl that I literally

0:43:53.280 --> 0:43:57.239
<v Speaker 1>wore overalls and hiking boots to to school. Bob. I mean,

0:43:57.280 --> 0:44:00.279
<v Speaker 1>it's it's weird. It's like, who are We live in

0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:04.560
<v Speaker 1>apple Hia. We go to a third world country pretty much,

0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:08.719
<v Speaker 1>and we live on this little acre of land, and

0:44:08.760 --> 0:44:12.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm by myself and I discovered Joni Mitchell, and all

0:44:12.360 --> 0:44:14.600
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, I'm learning all the open tunings and

0:44:14.600 --> 0:44:17.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm playing all the songs, and I'm ready to just

0:44:18.040 --> 0:44:24.839
<v Speaker 1>evolved into the greatest um poet singer. You know, I

0:44:24.880 --> 0:44:27.239
<v Speaker 1>was ready, and my mom saw it. And I think

0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:30.920
<v Speaker 1>my mom saw that I was so immersed in music

0:44:31.200 --> 0:44:33.760
<v Speaker 1>and such a dreamer that I think she just naturally

0:44:33.840 --> 0:44:40.480
<v Speaker 1>was like, Okay, this is it, and she started harmonizing

0:44:40.480 --> 0:44:43.359
<v Speaker 1>with me. And I didn't like it at first. At all,

0:44:44.520 --> 0:44:48.960
<v Speaker 1>And for a summer we learned a couple of songs

0:44:48.960 --> 0:44:50.719
<v Speaker 1>together and the next thing I know, we're singing to

0:44:50.800 --> 0:44:56.640
<v Speaker 1>people and here we are. Who wah, let's start. Let's

0:44:56.640 --> 0:44:59.239
<v Speaker 1>start from the reading. You talked about open tunings. How

0:44:59.239 --> 0:45:02.120
<v Speaker 1>did you learn? I don't know. I don't know. To

0:45:02.200 --> 0:45:04.839
<v Speaker 1>this day, I have one person in my life who

0:45:04.920 --> 0:45:08.359
<v Speaker 1>was teaching me E, A and D. And the next

0:45:08.400 --> 0:45:11.000
<v Speaker 1>thing I know, I'm just doing it note by note

0:45:11.760 --> 0:45:14.279
<v Speaker 1>and I'm figuring it out. And nobody really taught me.

0:45:14.320 --> 0:45:17.840
<v Speaker 1>My self taught, And to this day I think about it.

0:45:17.880 --> 0:45:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Sonia bird Yancy was a woman in my life who

0:45:20.920 --> 0:45:22.600
<v Speaker 1>played guitar and I would sit and listen to her

0:45:22.640 --> 0:45:25.239
<v Speaker 1>play and just try to figure it out. And I

0:45:25.280 --> 0:45:30.719
<v Speaker 1>spent my life learning every Joni song. Where did the

0:45:30.719 --> 0:45:33.799
<v Speaker 1>guitar come from? Someone gave it to my mom when

0:45:33.800 --> 0:45:37.640
<v Speaker 1>we moved from California back to Kentucky. Someone gave her

0:45:37.680 --> 0:45:41.640
<v Speaker 1>a guitar. And it's one of those stories that it

0:45:41.719 --> 0:45:44.359
<v Speaker 1>was not a good guitar and I learned to play

0:45:44.400 --> 0:45:48.560
<v Speaker 1>on it and it was my very first guitar, which, yeah,

0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:50.719
<v Speaker 1>I think about that. If someone hadn't given my mom

0:45:50.760 --> 0:45:59.840
<v Speaker 1>that guitar I don't know where i'd be today. Okay,

0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:03.480
<v Speaker 1>you're you know, you're independent. You're playing the guitar. Your

0:46:03.520 --> 0:46:07.160
<v Speaker 1>mother starts to harmonize. Then how does it turn into

0:46:07.200 --> 0:46:11.200
<v Speaker 1>a gig? That's a really good question. We just started

0:46:11.200 --> 0:46:16.080
<v Speaker 1>playing for all the things we could play for, Like, um,

0:46:16.120 --> 0:46:18.120
<v Speaker 1>what is it when you like get some kind of

0:46:18.160 --> 0:46:21.760
<v Speaker 1>an award for civil you know, like those those places

0:46:21.760 --> 0:46:24.080
<v Speaker 1>where people gather together and you win the award for

0:46:24.120 --> 0:46:29.560
<v Speaker 1>the community, were like the Rotary Club exactly exactly. We

0:46:29.600 --> 0:46:32.160
<v Speaker 1>started doing stuff like that, and next thing I know,

0:46:32.880 --> 0:46:36.279
<v Speaker 1>we're doing this little show here in Nashville, Tennessee. The

0:46:36.360 --> 0:46:41.240
<v Speaker 1>Ralph Emory Show comes on at like three four o'clock

0:46:41.239 --> 0:46:45.080
<v Speaker 1>in the morning and they have the farm Report and

0:46:46.040 --> 0:46:48.400
<v Speaker 1>they do commercials and there's a guy on there that

0:46:48.440 --> 0:46:53.280
<v Speaker 1>sings with the band. And somehow Mom and I showed

0:46:53.360 --> 0:46:56.120
<v Speaker 1>up there and sang on that show so that I

0:46:56.160 --> 0:47:01.680
<v Speaker 1>could sing and then go to school. Pretty wild. Actually, okay,

0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:05.719
<v Speaker 1>what how was it presented to you? Let's go back

0:47:05.760 --> 0:47:10.839
<v Speaker 1>to Kentucky. You know, you're really good at this. I'm

0:47:10.840 --> 0:47:12.880
<v Speaker 1>gonna try to make it something more. You come home

0:47:12.920 --> 0:47:14.759
<v Speaker 1>from school one day and your mother says, oh, we're

0:47:14.800 --> 0:47:18.560
<v Speaker 1>playing at the Rotary Club. That's kind of how it was.

0:47:18.640 --> 0:47:21.120
<v Speaker 1>I can tell you right now. I had no ambition.

0:47:22.239 --> 0:47:24.799
<v Speaker 1>I was not the one to say, Hey, I'm gonna

0:47:24.840 --> 0:47:26.879
<v Speaker 1>go down and join a band and I'm gonna start

0:47:26.960 --> 0:47:29.000
<v Speaker 1>doing gigs. That was not how it happened. As a

0:47:29.040 --> 0:47:32.120
<v Speaker 1>matter of fact, it's the opposite. I was, if anything,

0:47:32.160 --> 0:47:34.000
<v Speaker 1>I was too shy to do it. And it was

0:47:34.120 --> 0:47:39.520
<v Speaker 1>Mom who said we are going to do this. And

0:47:39.600 --> 0:47:42.640
<v Speaker 1>that's the way it is. Man. It's like she had

0:47:42.680 --> 0:47:44.600
<v Speaker 1>all the ambition and I had all the you know,

0:47:44.640 --> 0:47:47.000
<v Speaker 1>the talent in terms of guitar and vocal, and she

0:47:47.160 --> 0:47:50.760
<v Speaker 1>was the harmony singer, and together it was this magical,

0:47:50.880 --> 0:47:54.000
<v Speaker 1>little weird thing like are they mother and daughter or sisters?

0:47:54.719 --> 0:47:56.640
<v Speaker 1>You know? And just everywhere we went we got more

0:47:56.640 --> 0:47:59.480
<v Speaker 1>and more attention, and next thing I know, we're here

0:47:59.480 --> 0:48:04.080
<v Speaker 1>in Nashville, Tennessee. Are you kidding me? So she was determined, Bob,

0:48:04.160 --> 0:48:07.799
<v Speaker 1>she was on her She was on a mission to

0:48:07.920 --> 0:48:12.399
<v Speaker 1>make it. Okay, needless to say, you became uber successful.

0:48:13.480 --> 0:48:15.880
<v Speaker 1>Do you think she was ever fulfilled or she was

0:48:15.920 --> 0:48:19.000
<v Speaker 1>still looking for more. I think she was so fulfilled

0:48:19.120 --> 0:48:22.560
<v Speaker 1>being the queen of the parade. I think she was

0:48:22.719 --> 0:48:24.840
<v Speaker 1>more fulfilled than she could ever be. I mean, come on,

0:48:24.920 --> 0:48:27.719
<v Speaker 1>we did the Super Bowl, for God's sake, you know,

0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:30.759
<v Speaker 1>we got to go to the White House. We uh.

0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:34.720
<v Speaker 1>We have a street named after us in Ashland, Kentucky. Uh.

0:48:34.760 --> 0:48:38.760
<v Speaker 1>And we were the parade waivers of all times. Just bizarre.

0:48:38.960 --> 0:48:41.759
<v Speaker 1>It's it's such a weird story still to me today,

0:48:41.800 --> 0:48:43.400
<v Speaker 1>and when I tell it, I'm just like, how in

0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:46.919
<v Speaker 1>the world are these two Kentucky girls managed to make

0:48:46.960 --> 0:48:50.120
<v Speaker 1>it in country music? I still I can't quite wrap

0:48:50.160 --> 0:48:52.000
<v Speaker 1>my head around it because I was so backwards in

0:48:52.040 --> 0:48:54.319
<v Speaker 1>so many ways, and yet I would go out on stage.

0:48:54.360 --> 0:48:57.640
<v Speaker 1>If you look at the videos, I seem so sure

0:48:57.680 --> 0:48:59.719
<v Speaker 1>of myself and I just can't even believe it. When

0:48:59.719 --> 0:49:02.759
<v Speaker 1>I look at it, I'm like, that's me. And then

0:49:02.800 --> 0:49:05.560
<v Speaker 1>there's my mom, who's, you know, shimmying and swaying, and

0:49:05.600 --> 0:49:08.759
<v Speaker 1>she's doing the harmony, and she's the beautiful mother who

0:49:08.760 --> 0:49:10.839
<v Speaker 1>looks young enough to be my sister. I mean, come on,

0:49:12.040 --> 0:49:16.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it gets any better than that. So

0:49:16.200 --> 0:49:19.200
<v Speaker 1>how hard for her was it when she became ill

0:49:19.239 --> 0:49:23.000
<v Speaker 1>and couldn't do it. I think that's where the end began,

0:49:24.040 --> 0:49:26.759
<v Speaker 1>I really do. I think it. I think the depression

0:49:26.800 --> 0:49:30.680
<v Speaker 1>was so debilitating. I think it was. I think it's

0:49:30.680 --> 0:49:33.479
<v Speaker 1>where it started. I think that the end was when

0:49:33.480 --> 0:49:35.160
<v Speaker 1>she had to give up the road because I took

0:49:35.200 --> 0:49:37.480
<v Speaker 1>her home on the bus. I helped her get all

0:49:37.520 --> 0:49:40.120
<v Speaker 1>her stuff off the bus, and she stood on the

0:49:40.160 --> 0:49:42.239
<v Speaker 1>porch waving to me as I pulled the bus out

0:49:42.239 --> 0:49:45.040
<v Speaker 1>of the driveway, and I remember thinking, this is it.

0:49:45.400 --> 0:49:51.200
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's like separating Siamese twins. I just, uh,

0:49:51.320 --> 0:49:53.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't know any other way to

0:49:53.440 --> 0:49:56.439
<v Speaker 1>say it. She fell into a deep depression and from there,

0:49:56.640 --> 0:49:58.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, it started. And she's written a lot of

0:49:58.840 --> 0:50:01.239
<v Speaker 1>books and done a lot of speak engagements around it.

0:50:01.280 --> 0:50:04.200
<v Speaker 1>But I think it. I think it cut off her life. Supply,

0:50:05.120 --> 0:50:09.640
<v Speaker 1>her lifeline was absolutely you know that was it. Well,

0:50:09.719 --> 0:50:12.480
<v Speaker 1>let's go back before she had to retire. My friend

0:50:12.480 --> 0:50:16.480
<v Speaker 1>who ended his life took his own life in retrospect,

0:50:16.520 --> 0:50:20.200
<v Speaker 1>he was bipolar. I mean, it really hits every note

0:50:20.200 --> 0:50:25.920
<v Speaker 1>on the scale prior to retiring. I hate to use

0:50:25.960 --> 0:50:28.040
<v Speaker 1>this word, but I will anyway. Would you call your

0:50:28.080 --> 0:50:33.680
<v Speaker 1>mother normal or was there evidence of other mental health

0:50:33.760 --> 0:50:42.120
<v Speaker 1>issues in retrospect? Wow, that's quite a packed question. I

0:50:42.160 --> 0:50:44.920
<v Speaker 1>don't know the answer to that question. But I can

0:50:44.960 --> 0:50:47.799
<v Speaker 1>tell you what I know, which is my mother was

0:50:48.719 --> 0:50:55.239
<v Speaker 1>incredibly charismatic, incredibly determined, one of the most determined. She

0:50:55.360 --> 0:50:58.040
<v Speaker 1>was as determined to die as she was determined to live.

0:51:00.000 --> 0:51:02.520
<v Speaker 1>That's my mother. That's one of the quotes that I

0:51:02.560 --> 0:51:04.520
<v Speaker 1>have used a couple of times when I'm not sure

0:51:04.640 --> 0:51:11.200
<v Speaker 1>quite what to say. Uh, my mother was incredibly um willful,

0:51:12.440 --> 0:51:15.560
<v Speaker 1>and you did not argue with her. I was not

0:51:15.640 --> 0:51:19.480
<v Speaker 1>allowed to really have a voice. Ironically, I'm the lead singer,

0:51:19.520 --> 0:51:21.319
<v Speaker 1>but I did not have a voice. I still think

0:51:21.320 --> 0:51:23.360
<v Speaker 1>about having to share a bus with her, and I

0:51:23.400 --> 0:51:24.920
<v Speaker 1>look back on that and I go, God, if I

0:51:24.920 --> 0:51:26.440
<v Speaker 1>had known then what I know now, I would have

0:51:26.440 --> 0:51:29.279
<v Speaker 1>gotten my own bus. What the heck? You know? Why

0:51:29.280 --> 0:51:31.440
<v Speaker 1>did I have to share a hotel room with her?

0:51:31.560 --> 0:51:33.520
<v Speaker 1>Why did I have to share a dressing room with her?

0:51:33.920 --> 0:51:36.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm the lead singer. Why couldn't I have my own stuff?

0:51:36.600 --> 0:51:38.320
<v Speaker 1>And there's part of me that thinks it was God's

0:51:38.320 --> 0:51:40.560
<v Speaker 1>way of saying, you're going to be accountable to something

0:51:40.600 --> 0:51:44.520
<v Speaker 1>bigger than yourself. Well, it was her, and I think

0:51:44.520 --> 0:51:47.799
<v Speaker 1>she took full advantage of it. Many times. Um, we

0:51:47.800 --> 0:51:49.879
<v Speaker 1>would be in Vegas and we would be sold out

0:51:50.520 --> 0:51:52.399
<v Speaker 1>and she would come down to my room and tell me,

0:51:53.040 --> 0:51:56.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, if you're late tonight, I'm going to tell

0:51:56.800 --> 0:52:00.080
<v Speaker 1>everybody you know in front of you and embarrass me.

0:52:00.680 --> 0:52:07.520
<v Speaker 1>She was tough, and um I think she was incredibly

0:52:08.800 --> 0:52:15.319
<v Speaker 1>driven to the point of it separated us an awful lot. Emotionally,

0:52:15.400 --> 0:52:21.320
<v Speaker 1>it separated us an awful lot. I think that's pretty clear.

0:52:22.080 --> 0:52:25.120
<v Speaker 1>But in retrospect, would you say that was just her

0:52:25.160 --> 0:52:30.640
<v Speaker 1>personality or was she really crazy on some level? I

0:52:30.680 --> 0:52:33.319
<v Speaker 1>don't know the word crazy. I know, well, I do

0:52:33.440 --> 0:52:35.400
<v Speaker 1>know the word crazy. That's not true. I don't know

0:52:35.520 --> 0:52:38.520
<v Speaker 1>crazy like some people have their identity there, you know,

0:52:40.239 --> 0:52:42.600
<v Speaker 1>understanding of what crazy is. I think my mother was

0:52:43.040 --> 0:52:44.960
<v Speaker 1>so colorful, and this is the only way I know

0:52:45.040 --> 0:52:47.200
<v Speaker 1>to describe it, because I don't know enough about the

0:52:47.200 --> 0:52:50.640
<v Speaker 1>mental health part. I just know that she was colorful.

0:52:51.239 --> 0:52:54.680
<v Speaker 1>She taught my children. One of the first things she's

0:52:54.680 --> 0:52:57.080
<v Speaker 1>proud of doing as a grandmother was teaching my kids

0:52:57.080 --> 0:53:01.160
<v Speaker 1>how to poop in the woods. Okay, that's crazy, that's

0:53:01.160 --> 0:53:04.400
<v Speaker 1>not normal. That's crazy. But you live on a farm

0:53:04.400 --> 0:53:08.399
<v Speaker 1>and it seems really practical, doesn't it. So you tell me,

0:53:08.680 --> 0:53:11.680
<v Speaker 1>is it practical or is it crazy? Well, I guess

0:53:12.040 --> 0:53:15.719
<v Speaker 1>you know. I'll leave it at this. Um, what you

0:53:15.760 --> 0:53:21.200
<v Speaker 1>know was this? You know? Was her tragic death preordained

0:53:21.239 --> 0:53:26.000
<v Speaker 1>because of certain organic elements or was it based on

0:53:26.080 --> 0:53:28.439
<v Speaker 1>events like leaving the road. But let's forget all that.

0:53:28.960 --> 0:53:32.480
<v Speaker 1>So your mother is driven, she's booking you these gigs.

0:53:32.600 --> 0:53:36.120
<v Speaker 1>Are you all in from the beginning or do you

0:53:36.120 --> 0:53:39.440
<v Speaker 1>ever at times say hey, well tell me how you felt. Nope.

0:53:39.800 --> 0:53:41.680
<v Speaker 1>The very first thing I ever said to her before

0:53:41.680 --> 0:53:43.440
<v Speaker 1>we went out in front of ten thousand people was

0:53:43.480 --> 0:53:46.120
<v Speaker 1>the first time I was ever on stage. I looked

0:53:46.120 --> 0:53:47.600
<v Speaker 1>at her and I said, I want to go home,

0:53:49.000 --> 0:53:52.840
<v Speaker 1>and she looked at me. She was a snapper. That

0:53:52.960 --> 0:53:57.600
<v Speaker 1>sound right there will send me into an absolute tantrum. Um,

0:53:57.680 --> 0:54:02.320
<v Speaker 1>it's I could feel it. It's just one of those things.

0:54:02.800 --> 0:54:05.080
<v Speaker 1>My mother was a snapper, and she would snap at

0:54:05.080 --> 0:54:08.680
<v Speaker 1>me and say do it girl, you know. And I

0:54:08.760 --> 0:54:11.239
<v Speaker 1>looked at her and I was like, uh, next thing

0:54:11.280 --> 0:54:13.840
<v Speaker 1>I know, we're in front of ten thousand people and

0:54:13.880 --> 0:54:16.520
<v Speaker 1>we have a hit song and we're running awards and

0:54:16.560 --> 0:54:22.000
<v Speaker 1>the rest is history. I was so mortified at being

0:54:22.040 --> 0:54:24.880
<v Speaker 1>with my mother on so many levels. It just didn't

0:54:24.960 --> 0:54:27.719
<v Speaker 1>make sense to me, why would somebody do this to me?

0:54:27.760 --> 0:54:30.040
<v Speaker 1>Why would somebody put me on a bus at eighteen

0:54:30.120 --> 0:54:31.920
<v Speaker 1>years of age? Why would they do that to me?

0:54:32.200 --> 0:54:34.640
<v Speaker 1>And by the way, and I talked about this a lot,

0:54:34.719 --> 0:54:37.160
<v Speaker 1>but I can't get over it. I did her hair,

0:54:37.239 --> 0:54:41.000
<v Speaker 1>for God's sake. Oh, I did her hair like I

0:54:41.080 --> 0:54:43.560
<v Speaker 1>literally was responsible for zipping up the back of her

0:54:43.680 --> 0:54:46.880
<v Speaker 1>dress and doing her hair. And that's just those you know,

0:54:46.920 --> 0:54:49.040
<v Speaker 1>people say you didn't really pay your dues and by

0:54:49.080 --> 0:54:51.759
<v Speaker 1>playing clubs. I'm like, okay, you share a bus with

0:54:51.800 --> 0:54:54.759
<v Speaker 1>your mother for ten years and we'll talk because it

0:54:54.840 --> 0:54:58.520
<v Speaker 1>was the strictest, most unbelievable thing that I did in

0:54:58.600 --> 0:55:00.839
<v Speaker 1>my life. And I don't know else to say other

0:55:00.920 --> 0:55:04.640
<v Speaker 1>than why why would somebody do that? Because we were

0:55:04.680 --> 0:55:07.880
<v Speaker 1>so freaking famous, she did all the talking. By the way,

0:55:07.920 --> 0:55:09.759
<v Speaker 1>they had to send me to media school, Bob. They

0:55:09.800 --> 0:55:12.480
<v Speaker 1>had to sit me down and say, okay, so when

0:55:12.520 --> 0:55:15.080
<v Speaker 1>your mom tells that story and you're really not happy

0:55:15.160 --> 0:55:17.120
<v Speaker 1>with her and you roll your eyes, you look like

0:55:17.160 --> 0:55:20.160
<v Speaker 1>a little brat. And they had to walk me through

0:55:20.160 --> 0:55:25.600
<v Speaker 1>how to do interviews because I was so not interested

0:55:25.640 --> 0:55:28.440
<v Speaker 1>in all the fame stuff. She loved every minute of

0:55:28.440 --> 0:55:34.240
<v Speaker 1>it okay, breaking a few things down. Do you think

0:55:34.320 --> 0:55:39.759
<v Speaker 1>she was so strict because she didn't want her success

0:55:39.840 --> 0:55:43.440
<v Speaker 1>fucked up or because she didn't want you to follow

0:55:43.480 --> 0:55:48.680
<v Speaker 1>in her footsteps? What was driving this strictness. I am

0:55:48.960 --> 0:55:52.239
<v Speaker 1>known that there's three of us, Ashley, Mom and me,

0:55:52.280 --> 0:55:54.680
<v Speaker 1>and if you put us in a room, the two

0:55:54.719 --> 0:55:57.319
<v Speaker 1>of them are so alike in so many ways. I

0:55:57.400 --> 0:56:00.680
<v Speaker 1>was always the odd ball, odd man out, whatever you

0:56:00.719 --> 0:56:03.600
<v Speaker 1>want to call it, and I'm so free in spirit.

0:56:03.680 --> 0:56:06.480
<v Speaker 1>I drove my mother in saying I think that I

0:56:06.520 --> 0:56:09.920
<v Speaker 1>was single handedly one of the most challenging parts of

0:56:09.920 --> 0:56:13.200
<v Speaker 1>her success because I was so you know, I think

0:56:13.239 --> 0:56:16.200
<v Speaker 1>I'll go and get a Harley. No, you won't. And

0:56:16.239 --> 0:56:18.000
<v Speaker 1>she wouldn't talk to me for two weeks after I

0:56:18.000 --> 0:56:21.160
<v Speaker 1>got the tattoo and I was on my own. I

0:56:21.239 --> 0:56:24.200
<v Speaker 1>was like selling records and stuff and she wouldn't speak

0:56:24.200 --> 0:56:25.520
<v Speaker 1>to me. So I had to get one of them

0:56:25.719 --> 0:56:27.800
<v Speaker 1>raised because it had Mom on it. It was traumatic.

0:56:28.440 --> 0:56:33.040
<v Speaker 1>So my mom was pretty darn instrumental in making sure

0:56:33.120 --> 0:56:35.719
<v Speaker 1>that everything was a certain way, and I would just

0:56:35.800 --> 0:56:38.719
<v Speaker 1>come into the fold and sing and get the heck

0:56:38.719 --> 0:56:43.120
<v Speaker 1>out of Dodge. So it wasn't like, oh, everything is great.

0:56:43.160 --> 0:56:45.080
<v Speaker 1>We didn't fight a lot, but it was just very

0:56:45.200 --> 0:56:50.040
<v Speaker 1>like business because she ran it. It should have been

0:56:50.120 --> 0:56:55.440
<v Speaker 1>Naomi Judd and her daughter Winona, because it was definitely

0:56:55.600 --> 0:56:58.719
<v Speaker 1>she ran things. Her and the manager ran things. I

0:56:58.800 --> 0:57:01.160
<v Speaker 1>was just the chick singer and I would get a

0:57:01.160 --> 0:57:04.399
<v Speaker 1>memo member back when we facted. I would. I would

0:57:04.440 --> 0:57:07.640
<v Speaker 1>get a memo and it would say, Monday, you're doing this. Tuesday,

0:57:07.640 --> 0:57:09.200
<v Speaker 1>you're doing this. And I didn't have a say so

0:57:09.320 --> 0:57:10.719
<v Speaker 1>we would go down to our c A and do

0:57:10.800 --> 0:57:13.879
<v Speaker 1>two days worth of interviews because everybody wanted to talk

0:57:13.880 --> 0:57:16.400
<v Speaker 1>to us. I didn't have a say so about all that.

0:57:18.640 --> 0:57:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Zero was she as strict with Ashley? No, because Ashley

0:57:25.160 --> 0:57:28.919
<v Speaker 1>behaved well, or she just wasn't. Ashley got the good

0:57:29.000 --> 0:57:32.120
<v Speaker 1>end of the deal an awful lot. Ashley didn't get

0:57:32.200 --> 0:57:35.320
<v Speaker 1>what I got because I was the oldest. I think

0:57:35.360 --> 0:57:37.880
<v Speaker 1>my mom really was nervous that I would get pregnant

0:57:37.880 --> 0:57:39.840
<v Speaker 1>and meet a boy and go get married and then

0:57:39.880 --> 0:57:43.520
<v Speaker 1>it would be ruined. You know, I still do this day. Um.

0:57:43.720 --> 0:57:45.680
<v Speaker 1>Ashley was the one that finally told me about my

0:57:45.760 --> 0:57:48.400
<v Speaker 1>real father. Mom never did, and I always always really

0:57:48.440 --> 0:57:51.840
<v Speaker 1>angry about that because it was almost like maybe she

0:57:51.920 --> 0:57:54.160
<v Speaker 1>thought maybe I would go running off into the wild

0:57:54.600 --> 0:57:57.760
<v Speaker 1>blue yonder and not get on the bus and go

0:57:57.840 --> 0:58:01.400
<v Speaker 1>do shows. I was just really convinced that she had

0:58:01.440 --> 0:58:05.280
<v Speaker 1>to keep everything going um, and I think she felt

0:58:05.320 --> 0:58:09.320
<v Speaker 1>responsible for me, keeping me in line because I had

0:58:09.400 --> 0:58:13.400
<v Speaker 1>so much talent, that I was so free willed that

0:58:13.480 --> 0:58:16.960
<v Speaker 1>it terrified her. Literally, like I would go, hey, Mom,

0:58:17.000 --> 0:58:19.000
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm gonna go build a house, and she'd go,

0:58:19.040 --> 0:58:23.560
<v Speaker 1>what No. And then I ended up getting a condo

0:58:23.840 --> 0:58:27.160
<v Speaker 1>near her because you know, I just can't be near

0:58:27.240 --> 0:58:33.560
<v Speaker 1>her enough. Ah, bless my heart. So you too go

0:58:33.640 --> 0:58:36.920
<v Speaker 1>on the road. What happens to Ashley? She gets left behind?

0:58:38.800 --> 0:58:41.440
<v Speaker 1>So how does she go from being left behind becoming

0:58:41.480 --> 0:58:46.560
<v Speaker 1>a movie star? Good question. She went out to Hollywood

0:58:46.600 --> 0:58:51.040
<v Speaker 1>and the only job I ever remember her having out

0:58:51.120 --> 0:58:53.520
<v Speaker 1>there was she worked as a hostess at the Ivy

0:58:53.600 --> 0:58:59.120
<v Speaker 1>on Robertson. And next thing, she's in an independent movie

0:58:59.520 --> 0:59:03.240
<v Speaker 1>called be in Paradise and the rest is history, a

0:59:03.360 --> 0:59:07.000
<v Speaker 1>great movie, and she's great in it. She's awesome. She's awesome.

0:59:07.040 --> 0:59:09.919
<v Speaker 1>It's one of my favorite movies she's ever done. And

0:59:10.280 --> 0:59:13.280
<v Speaker 1>I remember literally walking three ft behind her because she

0:59:13.360 --> 0:59:16.520
<v Speaker 1>was quite the star. And I thought, well, she's arrived,

0:59:16.560 --> 0:59:21.640
<v Speaker 1>here we go. So did she had that seem driven

0:59:21.640 --> 0:59:26.120
<v Speaker 1>element in her that your mother had? Yes, very much.

0:59:26.160 --> 0:59:29.440
<v Speaker 1>So do you think she just learned it from your

0:59:29.480 --> 0:59:32.000
<v Speaker 1>mother or she was left behind so much that she

0:59:32.040 --> 0:59:34.440
<v Speaker 1>wanted to do Hey, I gotta find my own way

0:59:34.480 --> 0:59:37.520
<v Speaker 1>to my own thing. I believe with everything in me

0:59:37.680 --> 0:59:42.080
<v Speaker 1>that it's nature and nurture. I think there's a nature there.

0:59:42.120 --> 0:59:44.160
<v Speaker 1>And I think because she was nurtured to be so

0:59:44.240 --> 0:59:47.400
<v Speaker 1>independent and make it on her own that she literally

0:59:47.880 --> 0:59:50.760
<v Speaker 1>packed up an U haul it trailer to her car

0:59:50.800 --> 0:59:54.920
<v Speaker 1>in Tennessee and drove out to l A by herself.

0:59:56.640 --> 1:00:01.439
<v Speaker 1>That's actually okay. Going back to the beginning of the story,

1:00:01.440 --> 1:00:05.640
<v Speaker 1>before you're on stage with ten thousand people blocking, before

1:00:05.640 --> 1:00:09.240
<v Speaker 1>you hit the stage along the way, were you always

1:00:09.360 --> 1:00:11.520
<v Speaker 1>in or something? Were you saying I don't want to

1:00:11.560 --> 1:00:13.760
<v Speaker 1>show up or I want to have a normal life

1:00:13.840 --> 1:00:17.240
<v Speaker 1>for Were you saying, wow, this is great, Wow, this

1:00:17.320 --> 1:00:20.800
<v Speaker 1>is great. I would do anything to be in a band.

1:00:21.520 --> 1:00:23.440
<v Speaker 1>I have a band now, why not in the big noise?

1:00:23.720 --> 1:00:26.000
<v Speaker 1>And everything is about the big noise. I don't want

1:00:26.000 --> 1:00:29.320
<v Speaker 1>to be by myself. I love love, love love team.

1:00:29.360 --> 1:00:31.360
<v Speaker 1>I do better with team. I don't want to be

1:00:31.400 --> 1:00:35.560
<v Speaker 1>a solo artist anymore, and uh so I absolutely would

1:00:35.600 --> 1:00:39.200
<v Speaker 1>do anything to jam with my guys. That was when

1:00:39.240 --> 1:00:42.160
<v Speaker 1>my magical time began. When I hit the stage, not

1:00:42.240 --> 1:00:46.760
<v Speaker 1>because of performance, but because of art. Did I love

1:00:46.880 --> 1:00:49.480
<v Speaker 1>every single minute. Robert Ware and I have talked about

1:00:49.480 --> 1:00:53.080
<v Speaker 1>this an awful lot, because for me, it's about the

1:00:53.160 --> 1:00:55.720
<v Speaker 1>musical experience of running. What is it when they go

1:00:55.800 --> 1:00:57.520
<v Speaker 1>to the edge of the stage and you jump off.

1:00:58.600 --> 1:01:01.920
<v Speaker 1>That's me stage diving. Yes, I just I mean not literally,

1:01:01.960 --> 1:01:03.680
<v Speaker 1>but I would go to the edge of the stage

1:01:03.960 --> 1:01:06.320
<v Speaker 1>and want to just free fall into the fans because

1:01:06.360 --> 1:01:09.360
<v Speaker 1>I love music that much that I would. I mean,

1:01:09.400 --> 1:01:11.920
<v Speaker 1>I've I've flown to Australia just to do one show

1:01:12.800 --> 1:01:14.959
<v Speaker 1>because that's how determined I am to have the live

1:01:15.120 --> 1:01:19.440
<v Speaker 1>musical experience with the fans. Um So, yeah, I walk

1:01:19.520 --> 1:01:23.840
<v Speaker 1>into the stage. You got let me add it. I'll

1:01:23.880 --> 1:01:26.680
<v Speaker 1>do anything and I'll wait, you know, twenty hours if

1:01:26.680 --> 1:01:29.880
<v Speaker 1>I have to. I was very patient because all I

1:01:29.920 --> 1:01:31.800
<v Speaker 1>ever wanted to do was being a band. That's it.

1:01:33.080 --> 1:01:36.680
<v Speaker 1>That's what drove me. Okay, you talk about Rob Weir,

1:01:37.080 --> 1:01:40.440
<v Speaker 1>who is Bob We're of the Grateful Dead. How do

1:01:40.480 --> 1:01:47.760
<v Speaker 1>you meet Bob Weir. That's a really good question. UM.

1:01:48.040 --> 1:01:52.440
<v Speaker 1>More importantly, UM, when I met him, I did not

1:01:52.600 --> 1:01:54.600
<v Speaker 1>know a lot about Robert were and I called him

1:01:54.720 --> 1:01:58.680
<v Speaker 1>Robert because I could not bring myself to call him Bobby.

1:01:58.800 --> 1:02:00.840
<v Speaker 1>I just thought, that's like call and your teacher by

1:02:00.840 --> 1:02:06.720
<v Speaker 1>her first name. And I fell in love with this character.

1:02:06.840 --> 1:02:09.560
<v Speaker 1>He's like the Civil War general, you know, He's just

1:02:10.440 --> 1:02:14.960
<v Speaker 1>such a character. And when I met him, I thought, well,

1:02:15.520 --> 1:02:18.680
<v Speaker 1>I have nothing in common with this person. And next

1:02:18.680 --> 1:02:21.360
<v Speaker 1>thing I know, we're sitting in the studio. He came

1:02:21.360 --> 1:02:25.439
<v Speaker 1>to the farm, he drove to the farm, got out

1:02:25.440 --> 1:02:28.600
<v Speaker 1>of the car, walked into the studio and we did

1:02:28.720 --> 1:02:32.640
<v Speaker 1>Ramble on Rose. And we have been so connected ever since.

1:02:32.680 --> 1:02:39.400
<v Speaker 1>He came and performed at my mother's memorial. That's pretty crazy, right,

1:02:39.480 --> 1:02:43.320
<v Speaker 1>And so he's been there for me, both personally and professionally.

1:02:43.320 --> 1:02:45.040
<v Speaker 1>We played of course, we've played the film more and

1:02:45.040 --> 1:02:46.800
<v Speaker 1>there's all the good stuff, you know, and the fans

1:02:46.840 --> 1:02:50.920
<v Speaker 1>love it and Deadhead judd Head were mingling. Everybody's getting along.

1:02:52.200 --> 1:02:54.600
<v Speaker 1>But it's just one of those wacky stories where you go,

1:02:54.720 --> 1:02:56.920
<v Speaker 1>how in the world did I end up being friends

1:02:57.000 --> 1:03:01.720
<v Speaker 1>with him and his wife? What's the what's the connection.

1:03:02.120 --> 1:03:04.200
<v Speaker 1>How did you meet him? That's you know what the

1:03:04.240 --> 1:03:07.040
<v Speaker 1>connection is the music. I was invited to do stuff,

1:03:07.680 --> 1:03:11.160
<v Speaker 1>and it's like he did one of my songs and

1:03:11.280 --> 1:03:13.440
<v Speaker 1>I did one of his songs. Kind of thing at

1:03:13.440 --> 1:03:16.640
<v Speaker 1>the film More. That was actually after we my husband,

1:03:16.720 --> 1:03:19.200
<v Speaker 1>thank you, my husband, Cactus Moser said I want you

1:03:19.240 --> 1:03:22.720
<v Speaker 1>to learn some grateful Dead songs and I said, why

1:03:22.920 --> 1:03:25.800
<v Speaker 1>why would I do that? I don't understand the history

1:03:25.840 --> 1:03:29.000
<v Speaker 1>of all the you know stuff that you know. And

1:03:30.480 --> 1:03:32.480
<v Speaker 1>I ended up calling him. I think I got his

1:03:32.560 --> 1:03:35.360
<v Speaker 1>number from Dwight Yoakum or somebody. I'm trying to remember

1:03:35.400 --> 1:03:39.120
<v Speaker 1>the details, and I just called him and next thing

1:03:39.120 --> 1:03:40.560
<v Speaker 1>I know, he's at the farm. I think it was

1:03:40.640 --> 1:03:44.160
<v Speaker 1>just us connecting on the level of, Hey, it's nice

1:03:44.160 --> 1:03:47.160
<v Speaker 1>to meet you. Hey, nice to meet you too. But

1:03:47.200 --> 1:03:48.840
<v Speaker 1>I called him on the phone and I said, I

1:03:48.920 --> 1:03:53.439
<v Speaker 1>really want you to come and be on my record. Okay,

1:03:53.520 --> 1:03:57.520
<v Speaker 1>going back to the original origin of the story, Um,

1:03:57.640 --> 1:04:03.680
<v Speaker 1>you make a deal with Curb Record. Mike Curb, Republican

1:04:03.840 --> 1:04:06.080
<v Speaker 1>who had made it in the music business then was

1:04:06.120 --> 1:04:10.160
<v Speaker 1>Lieutenant governor of California, ultimately had a lot of success

1:04:10.200 --> 1:04:16.120
<v Speaker 1>in Nashville. UM his company and relationships been fraught with

1:04:16.320 --> 1:04:19.640
<v Speaker 1>the negative history. People signed a deal and they can't

1:04:19.680 --> 1:04:25.400
<v Speaker 1>get out of it, and what was your experience? Well,

1:04:26.960 --> 1:04:29.680
<v Speaker 1>I know more now than I did, and I didn't

1:04:29.720 --> 1:04:34.920
<v Speaker 1>know all that crap, and nobody ever really sat me

1:04:35.000 --> 1:04:40.600
<v Speaker 1>down and said, hey, by the way, this is this

1:04:40.720 --> 1:04:42.520
<v Speaker 1>or this is that, and what do you want to

1:04:42.520 --> 1:04:45.560
<v Speaker 1>do about it? And it wasn't until I had a

1:04:45.600 --> 1:04:49.520
<v Speaker 1>few experiences with managers who said this is nuts, we

1:04:49.640 --> 1:04:52.200
<v Speaker 1>gotta do this, we gotta make this move. I really

1:04:52.240 --> 1:04:54.880
<v Speaker 1>didn't understand and I was so trusting. I'm one of

1:04:54.920 --> 1:04:57.720
<v Speaker 1>those stories honestly that you go, oh, bless her heart,

1:04:59.400 --> 1:05:01.800
<v Speaker 1>she just doesn't know any better because I was too

1:05:01.840 --> 1:05:04.840
<v Speaker 1>busy working, too busy doing, and too busy recording and

1:05:04.880 --> 1:05:09.200
<v Speaker 1>traveling and doing tours. And it wasn't until probably the

1:05:09.320 --> 1:05:13.320
<v Speaker 1>last I would say, five to seven years, do I

1:05:13.400 --> 1:05:16.680
<v Speaker 1>really know what the heck is going on. And that's

1:05:16.680 --> 1:05:18.600
<v Speaker 1>not something I'm proud of. It's just sort of the

1:05:18.600 --> 1:05:20.840
<v Speaker 1>way it worked out for me because I'm so trusting

1:05:20.920 --> 1:05:25.120
<v Speaker 1>and I tend to not micromanage, and I think it's

1:05:25.160 --> 1:05:27.600
<v Speaker 1>gotten me in a lot of trouble. But I still

1:05:27.640 --> 1:05:30.480
<v Speaker 1>get a Christmas present from him every year, and I

1:05:30.480 --> 1:05:34.680
<v Speaker 1>haven't seen him in years. And how about the money,

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<v Speaker 1>good question, I'll let you know. So you're still working

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<v Speaker 1>on the money. Yep. It's one of those things where

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<v Speaker 1>maybe when I'm sixty, it's not that far away. One

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<v Speaker 1>can dream. Okay, you did not write the songs you're saying,

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<v Speaker 1>which in many cases are the generator of profits. So

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<v Speaker 1>how are you doing financially? I'm land rich in cash poor.

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<v Speaker 1>I owe some of the greatest land in the history

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<v Speaker 1>of mankind. And uh, you know, of course, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people take out loans to do business. That's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of the way it works in America, right, And so, um,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good, I'm good, I'm settled, I have what I need.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what's really exciting about me and my

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<v Speaker 1>husband is during the pandemic, we were able to keep

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<v Speaker 1>payroll because of logging. So thank you for that opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>because it kept everybody afloat. And I'm grateful for that

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<v Speaker 1>because it was a devastating blow to the music industry

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of my guys in the band, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>went on unemployment. So I'm really grateful that the land

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<v Speaker 1>provided and that's why we have land. Um, it's been

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<v Speaker 1>a blessing. Did you get any loans from the government?

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<v Speaker 1>Let me think here, I did, I did? Okay, you

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<v Speaker 1>bought the land for fifteen hundred dollars an acre in

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<v Speaker 1>what year? How much land? And what did your mother

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<v Speaker 1>say about that? Oh? She thought it was awesome as

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things we agreed on because I was

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<v Speaker 1>right next to her. Together we had a thousand acres,

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<v Speaker 1>so it was like a compound. Um, I bought it

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<v Speaker 1>in acre it goes for two d thousand an acre, now,

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<v Speaker 1>so that was a really good investment. Oh yeah, my

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<v Speaker 1>father would be proud of you. Yes, and that's my

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<v Speaker 1>great my great great grandfather would be too. That was

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<v Speaker 1>what it was all about, Ogden Judd was all about

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<v Speaker 1>buying land. My family. I come from a family of farmers,

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<v Speaker 1>so they would all be very proud. Like the song

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<v Speaker 1>Guardian Angels, Um, they're so proud of me. Fanny and

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<v Speaker 1>Elijah and all my ancestors are looking down going. You

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<v Speaker 1>know what you go, girl? The logging kept you alive.

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<v Speaker 1>Going more detail. You hire a company that cuts up

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<v Speaker 1>the trees. How do you generate the money? We hired

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<v Speaker 1>two guys, best friends. One's a preacher, one is a

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<v Speaker 1>good old boy who wears overalls and no t shirt

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<v Speaker 1>even if it's winter. It's awesome actually, And they come

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just the two of them because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want them to mess up the land. And they did

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<v Speaker 1>it old fashioned and uh, I mean compared to what's

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<v Speaker 1>done today. And we only did trees that were down,

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<v Speaker 1>and we had when you have five acres, you know

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<v Speaker 1>how it works. And they just went where the trees

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<v Speaker 1>were down and it worked, and I'm so grateful to them.

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<v Speaker 1>As a matter of fact, it saved us. Actually, So

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<v Speaker 1>how many people are on the payroll personally or professionally?

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<v Speaker 1>Professionally well, personally too, well the last the last tour

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<v Speaker 1>we did, it was what how many people on the

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<v Speaker 1>road last tour? I don't know, eight nine something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I'd say personally five. Okay. When you say

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<v Speaker 1>the logging kept your who were the people you were paying?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean people I was paying? No? No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you said the general the money from the logging allowed

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<v Speaker 1>you to pay your people. How many people was that?

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<v Speaker 1>I would say about five people, five to seven? Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So going back to the story, you go on on stage,

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<v Speaker 1>you have ten thousand people, and once you're pushed. I

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<v Speaker 1>assumed you actually loved performing, because you say you love

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<v Speaker 1>performing now. And what was it like suddenly becoming the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest star in country music? What was it like? Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my gosh, that's a really good question. I think I

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<v Speaker 1>looked like a deer in the headlights, an awful lot

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<v Speaker 1>because I was still so so young, and Mom did

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<v Speaker 1>all the talking, so I would sit there and kind

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<v Speaker 1>of look around, like when are we going to be

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<v Speaker 1>done so I can go hang out with my friends.

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<v Speaker 1>So but I also loved, loved, love the the love

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<v Speaker 1>from the fans. I still have fans that were there

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<v Speaker 1>the very first concert in night march Um concert that

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<v Speaker 1>we did, and they're still there and there they're still

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<v Speaker 1>around and it's like they remember me and I remember

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<v Speaker 1>them and we grew up together. So I love the

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<v Speaker 1>one on one. I'm not really good at the fame

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<v Speaker 1>stuff unless it's a good seat in a restaurant. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't really thrive on that actually, And um, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>if you kind of look at me, I don't. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't do the whole makeup and hair thing all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not a TikTok sensation at I don't really care

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<v Speaker 1>about all that. I care about the human experience. I

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<v Speaker 1>care about the music. I care about going out on

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<v Speaker 1>stage and making a connection with somebody who has no

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<v Speaker 1>idea what they've gotten themselves into. And that is what

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<v Speaker 1>grews me more than anything in this world. Well, you're

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<v Speaker 1>a very recognizable person, so uh, you know, it's one

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<v Speaker 1>thing if you're sitting at home. I would think almost

1:11:25.640 --> 1:11:28.800
<v Speaker 1>anywhere you go, people immediately know who you are. Yes,

1:11:28.800 --> 1:11:31.880
<v Speaker 1>they do. I've become a little bit more and more

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<v Speaker 1>like Dolly in terms of the hair and the you know,

1:11:35.040 --> 1:11:40.599
<v Speaker 1>the the tada I call it the tada um. Brandy

1:11:40.680 --> 1:11:43.120
<v Speaker 1>Carlile said, I'm a queer icon and I said, can

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<v Speaker 1>you explain to me what that means? She said, it's

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<v Speaker 1>really really good and I said okay. I said, okay, awesome.

1:11:52.479 --> 1:11:56.280
<v Speaker 1>I love people. I love love love people. A person

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<v Speaker 1>walks up to me and says, I'm an atheist, and

1:11:58.600 --> 1:12:00.960
<v Speaker 1>I said, okay, I mean that's the way I am.

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<v Speaker 1>I just um, I'm a judge, not a judge. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that's my absolute go to. When people come up

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<v Speaker 1>to me and say, well, you need to lose weight,

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<v Speaker 1>and I go, yeah, and you need to get a haircut,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, I I just you know what I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I'm real because I grew up in such a weird world,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, being eighteen and being on the cover of

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<v Speaker 1>all the magazines and doing Johnny Carson, I'm dating myself

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<v Speaker 1>and opening for all the greats of country music, Merle Haggard,

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<v Speaker 1>George Jones. I mean, I've worked with a highwayman. I

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<v Speaker 1>knew Johnny Cash. He was a mentor. When you grow

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<v Speaker 1>up with all these people in your life and Tammy

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<v Speaker 1>Wynette takes you on her bus to cook breakfast for you,

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<v Speaker 1>that's just not normal, that's you know. And so I

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<v Speaker 1>grew up with all these characters around me in my movie,

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<v Speaker 1>and I went over to George Jones's house at Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>time and played his kids, played his grandkids, played with

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<v Speaker 1>my kids. And it's just so crazy, but yet it

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<v Speaker 1>was my life and I'm still living it, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>so bizarre at times. But I can't get away from

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<v Speaker 1>the music part of it. I just can't. As broken

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<v Speaker 1>hearted as my heart is an awful lot, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>stop myself from being on stage having that moment with

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<v Speaker 1>the fan when they sing into the microphone the words

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<v Speaker 1>to my song. There's just something about that that just

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<v Speaker 1>heals me every single day. Because I almost gave up

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<v Speaker 1>on doing the tour. You know, when mom died. I said, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I can I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>I can do this. I really don't physically know if

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<v Speaker 1>I can do this. And the people spoke and they said,

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<v Speaker 1>yes you can, and I showed up. How much live

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<v Speaker 1>is the music and how much is the adoration and

1:13:48.160 --> 1:13:50.920
<v Speaker 1>love from the fans. I do not sing, and I

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<v Speaker 1>will not sing. The only time I've ever lip SYNCD

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<v Speaker 1>is at the super Bowl. I'm adamant about that. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>there are no tracks. There's one loop that Cactus hits

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<v Speaker 1>for a loop on a rhythm thing. But everything is live.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm adamant about that. If there's one thing that I

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<v Speaker 1>will say that, I'm gonna be like you. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>you have your opinion about things I can imagine. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it will be live and it will be imperfect or

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<v Speaker 1>it won't be real and I just have to have

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<v Speaker 1>that or else the rest of his bs. So everything

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<v Speaker 1>is live to the point where I can do a

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<v Speaker 1>song on a dime. You watch me, okay, so you're

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<v Speaker 1>you're alive, But how much of the satisfaction is the

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<v Speaker 1>love from the audience? It's so live? What do you mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you explain a little bit better what I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to I'll give you a different example. A friend of

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<v Speaker 1>mine used to book Oprah open played arenas for a while,

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<v Speaker 1>and the obvious question here is why does Oprah need

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<v Speaker 1>to play arenas? She's got all the money in the

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<v Speaker 1>world whereas is David Letterman said, you know, she literally

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<v Speaker 1>has all the money, but he said, where else is

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<v Speaker 1>she going to get that? Yes? Yes, the adrenaline is

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<v Speaker 1>part of my my fix every single night when I

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<v Speaker 1>go and I get off the bus and I'm walking

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<v Speaker 1>to the stage and I hear the roar of the crowd,

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<v Speaker 1>my energy gets up and I get the adrenaline and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like the quarterback of the Super Bowl. I get very,

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<v Speaker 1>very activated. And that is better than any drug in life.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's probably why so many people do drugs, because

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<v Speaker 1>it is the greatest It is the greatest thing on

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<v Speaker 1>this light, in this life, on this planet. To stand

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<v Speaker 1>there and watch fourteen thousand people with their phones and

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<v Speaker 1>their lights on. We don't do the big lighter anymore.

1:15:49.640 --> 1:15:52.040
<v Speaker 1>Saying love is alive back to me. It is the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest thing. I feel suspended. I'm writing a song with

1:15:56.240 --> 1:15:59.360
<v Speaker 1>Brandy Carlile right now called from Here to Heaven, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's where I am. I'm literally suspended off the ground

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<v Speaker 1>and I can feel myself levitate. It is the greatest

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<v Speaker 1>drip of love, life and support and healing that there

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<v Speaker 1>is in this life. Wow, did you do drugs and

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<v Speaker 1>drink or what was your experience with substances? No, my

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<v Speaker 1>mom did. She was the party or I was the

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<v Speaker 1>stay in the room. And wonder if she's coming back. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>she's talked about it. When she got to be seventies something.

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<v Speaker 1>She just let it go and said, yeah, I smoked

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<v Speaker 1>weed on the day we did our live audition at

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<v Speaker 1>r c A. And I'm like, wow, okay, here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh No, I wasn't and I didn't. I didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>my my trip with alcohol until I was twenty seven

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<v Speaker 1>to twenty nine, and then I got pregnant at thirty

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<v Speaker 1>and that changed my entire world. So I had my

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<v Speaker 1>experience with alcohol and that's it. I never did drugs.

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<v Speaker 1>Tried it when I was little. A couple of times

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<v Speaker 1>I'd try my mom's blunt. Is that the word blunt? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's one of them. Is that one of them? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>And I tried her blunt and I was like thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>years old, and I don't know how anybody does it.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't didn't work for me because it made me

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<v Speaker 1>even more dreamy and not want to go get a job.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's not probably the best idea for me. So

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<v Speaker 1>your mother becomes ill, she retires from the road, she

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<v Speaker 1>becomes depressed. What's going through your mind? What the hell?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand it. It's the mystery of life for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing a lot of trauma work right now around

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<v Speaker 1>that because I don't have any answers, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>understand because she had so much. She's the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>person that would literally get out of the car, go

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<v Speaker 1>into Walgreens, speak to every single person in there, call

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<v Speaker 1>somebody's mother on the phone, and literally walk out of there,

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<v Speaker 1>getting the car, and go home and lay on the

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<v Speaker 1>couch for the next That's why it's so so hard

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<v Speaker 1>to understand. And I'm still in the moment of what

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<v Speaker 1>the hell am I supposed to do with this information.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to file it away neatly, but it's not

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<v Speaker 1>that simple, and it's going to take a lifetime for

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<v Speaker 1>me to get there. But she was the most charismatic,

1:18:27.920 --> 1:18:31.200
<v Speaker 1>colorful character out in public. And then she would go

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<v Speaker 1>lay on the couch for weeks at a time and

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<v Speaker 1>I would call her and she would cry, and I

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<v Speaker 1>would think, Wow, this is not the way it's supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be. And was she getting professional Hell? Yes. I

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<v Speaker 1>will be honest with you, and I've never spoken about

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<v Speaker 1>this before. I will tell you that I feel like

1:18:49.600 --> 1:18:54.280
<v Speaker 1>the mental health community let her down because, um, there

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<v Speaker 1>was a lot of medication and I don't know that.

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't think she got the help she needed.

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<v Speaker 1>I really don't. And that's my two cents worth. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>Ashley certainly has hers and I'll let her speak for herself.

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<v Speaker 1>For me, watching mom um, you know she's an r N.

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<v Speaker 1>She tended to look at doctors and other people as peers,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wish someone had gone in and said no, Naomi, no,

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<v Speaker 1>So what's your relationship with Ashley these days? We are

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<v Speaker 1>so different, and yet I have such a tenderness for

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<v Speaker 1>her from raising her that I feel very motherly towards her.

1:19:32.720 --> 1:19:35.880
<v Speaker 1>She calls me sister, mommy, and we're working more on

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<v Speaker 1>the sister part, which is very painful because we were

1:19:40.160 --> 1:19:43.519
<v Speaker 1>apart so much of the time. We were geographically in

1:19:43.600 --> 1:19:46.840
<v Speaker 1>different worlds, and Um, I missed her prom and I

1:19:46.880 --> 1:19:50.439
<v Speaker 1>missed her first experience with a boy, and there's just

1:19:50.520 --> 1:19:53.800
<v Speaker 1>so much loss there that we're still trying to mend.

1:19:53.800 --> 1:19:55.080
<v Speaker 1>As a matter of fact, I was supposed to call

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<v Speaker 1>her after this interview, and UM, she wants me to

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<v Speaker 1>come over to the house. We're are both just so

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<v Speaker 1>in different worlds, and yet we're trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>a language that we can both speak well. How much

1:20:09.960 --> 1:20:12.960
<v Speaker 1>contact do you have with her? A lot more than

1:20:13.479 --> 1:20:15.880
<v Speaker 1>since mother died, A lot more, as a matter of fact,

1:20:15.920 --> 1:20:18.920
<v Speaker 1>almost on a daily basis. We text, we face time

1:20:18.960 --> 1:20:21.800
<v Speaker 1>a lot, and I've been going over to her house. Um,

1:20:21.880 --> 1:20:25.639
<v Speaker 1>last time I went over, ear candled her ears because

1:20:25.680 --> 1:20:29.360
<v Speaker 1>she had a cold, and I just I try to

1:20:29.400 --> 1:20:31.040
<v Speaker 1>go over and I take her soup. I'm the I'm

1:20:31.080 --> 1:20:33.160
<v Speaker 1>the big sister. You know. That's kind of the way

1:20:33.160 --> 1:20:34.840
<v Speaker 1>it's always gonna be. She's always going to be my

1:20:34.840 --> 1:20:37.479
<v Speaker 1>little sister. I don't care how smart she is or

1:20:37.479 --> 1:20:41.519
<v Speaker 1>how fabulous she looks in her Valentino dress. Um, I'm

1:20:41.560 --> 1:20:43.600
<v Speaker 1>still her sister, and I do things to her that

1:20:43.640 --> 1:20:47.840
<v Speaker 1>make her really uncomfortable. And that's my job. Give me

1:20:47.960 --> 1:20:51.679
<v Speaker 1>an example of one thing. Well, I like to say

1:20:51.680 --> 1:20:55.400
<v Speaker 1>things that are inappropriate because she's so good with words,

1:20:55.479 --> 1:20:57.040
<v Speaker 1>and she'll say a word and I don't know what

1:20:57.080 --> 1:20:58.479
<v Speaker 1>the word is, and I'm like, what the hell does

1:20:58.520 --> 1:21:00.960
<v Speaker 1>that word mean? I don't understand a word? Oh is

1:21:01.000 --> 1:21:02.840
<v Speaker 1>that like? And then I'll use a word that's really

1:21:02.880 --> 1:21:06.160
<v Speaker 1>not okay with her because she's such an activist. Sometimes

1:21:06.200 --> 1:21:09.160
<v Speaker 1>it's like, hey, Ashley, snap out of it. You know,

1:21:09.160 --> 1:21:12.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm your sister. I'm not I'm not here to challenge

1:21:12.080 --> 1:21:14.120
<v Speaker 1>you in any capacity other than the fact that I'm

1:21:14.120 --> 1:21:15.800
<v Speaker 1>bigger than you and I can sit on you until

1:21:15.880 --> 1:21:18.479
<v Speaker 1>you p So you're just gonna have to deal with

1:21:18.520 --> 1:21:21.920
<v Speaker 1>the fact that I'm here. And sometimes I apologize. Sometimes

1:21:21.960 --> 1:21:24.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't, but I do it just keep her alive

1:21:26.040 --> 1:21:29.640
<v Speaker 1>in the conversation because she's so smart, that she's so

1:21:29.720 --> 1:21:32.840
<v Speaker 1>intellectual that sometimes I just have to say, let's not

1:21:32.880 --> 1:21:37.280
<v Speaker 1>be so individually over here, separately smart. Let's be together

1:21:37.320 --> 1:21:40.880
<v Speaker 1>and be silly and dumb, and let's try to find

1:21:40.920 --> 1:21:45.720
<v Speaker 1>a place that we can maneuver naturally and authentically. If

1:21:45.760 --> 1:21:49.280
<v Speaker 1>that makes any sense. Yeah, sure it does. When your

1:21:49.280 --> 1:21:54.559
<v Speaker 1>mother gets hepatitis C and retires from the road. So

1:21:54.600 --> 1:21:58.920
<v Speaker 1>this is decades back. What do you think about going

1:21:59.040 --> 1:22:04.960
<v Speaker 1>forward in your career? Ye, I'm both um devastated and

1:22:05.240 --> 1:22:09.360
<v Speaker 1>inspired to see what's next. I think I'm always looking

1:22:09.439 --> 1:22:12.120
<v Speaker 1>forward to I've always been that way, and I think

1:22:12.120 --> 1:22:15.439
<v Speaker 1>that's a thing that you're born with. Um, I try

1:22:15.479 --> 1:22:17.320
<v Speaker 1>not to. Mom was a lot more of the rear

1:22:17.439 --> 1:22:20.560
<v Speaker 1>view mirror, and I'm more of the looking out the windshield.

1:22:21.360 --> 1:22:24.519
<v Speaker 1>I could not wait until I saw a cactus mosure

1:22:24.560 --> 1:22:27.599
<v Speaker 1>that night with Mom behind me and looking at her, like,

1:22:28.200 --> 1:22:30.519
<v Speaker 1>see that guy right there, I'm going to marry him,

1:22:30.600 --> 1:22:33.160
<v Speaker 1>and we're going to, you know, right off into the

1:22:33.200 --> 1:22:35.760
<v Speaker 1>sunset together. And that's what we're doing right now with

1:22:35.800 --> 1:22:39.040
<v Speaker 1>the band. We're making a record, we're writing most of it,

1:22:39.680 --> 1:22:42.599
<v Speaker 1>and we are determined to go to the next chapter.

1:22:43.280 --> 1:22:47.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm on a label which I love the name Anti Records,

1:22:47.320 --> 1:22:49.760
<v Speaker 1>but there's just something about that that just thrills me.

1:22:50.439 --> 1:22:53.360
<v Speaker 1>Um Andy is interested in the musical experience as well.

1:22:53.400 --> 1:22:56.240
<v Speaker 1>So I found finally a home where I feel like

1:22:56.280 --> 1:22:59.559
<v Speaker 1>I can be as authentic and strange as I want

1:22:59.560 --> 1:23:04.680
<v Speaker 1>to be without feeling the tug towards being popular, um,

1:23:04.680 --> 1:23:06.400
<v Speaker 1>which we all want to be to a certain degree,

1:23:06.439 --> 1:23:08.559
<v Speaker 1>but I also want the music to speak for itself.

1:23:09.240 --> 1:23:12.280
<v Speaker 1>So Cactus and I are always talking about what's next,

1:23:13.040 --> 1:23:14.840
<v Speaker 1>if that makes any sense, Like I'm already on the

1:23:14.920 --> 1:23:19.160
<v Speaker 1>Judge tour talking about what we're gonna do after that.

1:23:20.080 --> 1:23:23.439
<v Speaker 1>If that makes sense. Yeah, I'd end up on Anti

1:23:23.520 --> 1:23:27.559
<v Speaker 1>Records because Andy gets me, and it's a it's a

1:23:27.600 --> 1:23:31.960
<v Speaker 1>record label where you've got Um May have his Staples.

1:23:33.080 --> 1:23:36.080
<v Speaker 1>You've got these characters that are just at the in

1:23:36.160 --> 1:23:38.360
<v Speaker 1>the in the twilight, some of them and then others.

1:23:38.560 --> 1:23:41.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, there's just this you know, Tom Waite. You

1:23:41.400 --> 1:23:43.479
<v Speaker 1>have people that are on there that are able to

1:23:43.560 --> 1:23:47.519
<v Speaker 1>be themselves and there's no pressure to try to be

1:23:47.720 --> 1:23:50.519
<v Speaker 1>younger and faster and fit in with all the you know,

1:23:50.600 --> 1:23:54.400
<v Speaker 1>Tik Talker's. It's just this great place to belong where

1:23:54.439 --> 1:23:57.639
<v Speaker 1>you feel like you can just be yourself and yeah,

1:23:57.680 --> 1:23:59.640
<v Speaker 1>if you get paid for it, that's really cool. And

1:23:59.720 --> 1:24:01.599
<v Speaker 1>yet I did a show with May of the Staples

1:24:01.600 --> 1:24:03.880
<v Speaker 1>here at the Rhyman Auditorium and I just looked around like,

1:24:04.960 --> 1:24:07.880
<v Speaker 1>is this really happening, like this is really my life.

1:24:07.960 --> 1:24:10.479
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how I got here, but boy am

1:24:10.520 --> 1:24:14.200
<v Speaker 1>I really grateful that I don't have to worry about Well,

1:24:14.280 --> 1:24:18.799
<v Speaker 1>let's try to be the comeback kid, you know, Okay,

1:24:18.840 --> 1:24:22.400
<v Speaker 1>staying there, you have this unbelievable run with your mother,

1:24:22.560 --> 1:24:26.240
<v Speaker 1>then you have a run solo and the number one

1:24:26.360 --> 1:24:35.000
<v Speaker 1>hit stopped coming. What's that like? Emotionally? Mm hmm. I

1:24:35.040 --> 1:24:37.760
<v Speaker 1>loved the songs so much and it's gonna sound really

1:24:37.760 --> 1:24:39.680
<v Speaker 1>corny and maybe even a little cliche, but they're like

1:24:39.760 --> 1:24:43.000
<v Speaker 1>my children. I love them so much. I just was

1:24:43.600 --> 1:24:47.639
<v Speaker 1>sad that other people didn't respond to them. And the label,

1:24:47.880 --> 1:24:51.400
<v Speaker 1>of course, certainly has their responsibility part of it. I

1:24:51.560 --> 1:24:55.760
<v Speaker 1>love the song so much I continued, like every night

1:24:55.840 --> 1:24:58.160
<v Speaker 1>to sing them regardless of whether they were number ten

1:24:58.240 --> 1:25:01.360
<v Speaker 1>or number one. D I didn't care about that part

1:25:01.400 --> 1:25:04.360
<v Speaker 1>of it. The emotional part came because I wanted the

1:25:04.400 --> 1:25:08.000
<v Speaker 1>fans to hear the music, and that was the frustration

1:25:08.040 --> 1:25:11.479
<v Speaker 1>part for me, was the numbers um more so than anything,

1:25:11.560 --> 1:25:14.519
<v Speaker 1>because I wanted people to hear only Love, which I

1:25:14.560 --> 1:25:17.680
<v Speaker 1>still sing to this day as if it's you know,

1:25:17.720 --> 1:25:21.000
<v Speaker 1>the most important, top five important songs of my career

1:25:21.840 --> 1:25:25.040
<v Speaker 1>and my life because my music, to me is more

1:25:25.080 --> 1:25:27.400
<v Speaker 1>than just a career. Now, I've been doing it almost

1:25:27.400 --> 1:25:32.200
<v Speaker 1>forty years and it's just so part of me. Um.

1:25:32.240 --> 1:25:34.519
<v Speaker 1>It was difficult because I want to I really want

1:25:34.520 --> 1:25:37.080
<v Speaker 1>to please my producer. When I go in the studio.

1:25:37.600 --> 1:25:40.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm known for singing it twenty times, even though we

1:25:40.320 --> 1:25:42.679
<v Speaker 1>can fly vocals in, because I want it to be different,

1:25:43.200 --> 1:25:45.839
<v Speaker 1>each verse to be different. If you listen to my records,

1:25:45.880 --> 1:25:48.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm really proud of the fact that we didn't fix

1:25:48.760 --> 1:25:51.040
<v Speaker 1>a lot of vocals because I wanted people to love

1:25:51.120 --> 1:25:54.160
<v Speaker 1>me live. I wanted to be able to copy it live.

1:25:54.600 --> 1:25:57.080
<v Speaker 1>And I come from the era of when you have

1:25:57.280 --> 1:26:00.720
<v Speaker 1>singers like Ann Wilson singing the way she does live,

1:26:00.800 --> 1:26:03.479
<v Speaker 1>You're like, well, hell yeah, that's the way it's supposed

1:26:03.479 --> 1:26:05.200
<v Speaker 1>to be. You know, it's supposed to sound like the record,

1:26:05.439 --> 1:26:09.599
<v Speaker 1>but it's also supposed to sound real. So I had

1:26:09.640 --> 1:26:12.120
<v Speaker 1>my moments of being feeling tearful because I wanted the

1:26:12.160 --> 1:26:16.880
<v Speaker 1>producer to be successful and be successful myself. Absolutely, but

1:26:16.960 --> 1:26:19.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm still tied to the music today that I was

1:26:19.400 --> 1:26:28.720
<v Speaker 1>even back in the eighties and nineties, talking about the

1:26:28.880 --> 1:26:32.200
<v Speaker 1>number and not the music. Itself. You talk about being

1:26:32.200 --> 1:26:37.400
<v Speaker 1>on Johnny Carson, being on the super Bowl, those opportunities

1:26:37.439 --> 1:26:39.880
<v Speaker 1>are not as frequent. Not to mention the fact other

1:26:39.880 --> 1:26:41.880
<v Speaker 1>than the super Bowl, does none of those things mean

1:26:41.960 --> 1:26:46.320
<v Speaker 1>what they once did? Um, but are you looking out

1:26:46.320 --> 1:26:49.200
<v Speaker 1>of the front window enough to say, well, I did that,

1:26:49.280 --> 1:26:52.599
<v Speaker 1>then other peaks will commode. Is it bother you a

1:26:52.640 --> 1:26:55.599
<v Speaker 1>little bit that the opportunities or peaks are not as

1:26:55.680 --> 1:26:59.000
<v Speaker 1>plentiful as they once were. It depends on if I

1:26:59.040 --> 1:27:01.240
<v Speaker 1>go on social media. If and when I go on

1:27:01.280 --> 1:27:03.880
<v Speaker 1>social media and I see what's going on out there,

1:27:03.880 --> 1:27:07.479
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I'm missing prom. You know, I don't

1:27:07.479 --> 1:27:10.680
<v Speaker 1>have a date for the prom. Oh and then if

1:27:10.720 --> 1:27:12.920
<v Speaker 1>you take that away from me, which I try to

1:27:12.920 --> 1:27:16.200
<v Speaker 1>stay away from it as much as possible in terms

1:27:16.200 --> 1:27:18.960
<v Speaker 1>of just staying in the music, staying authentic, staying authentic.

1:27:19.000 --> 1:27:21.720
<v Speaker 1>I think about Susan Tadeshi and I think about all

1:27:21.760 --> 1:27:25.280
<v Speaker 1>these great musicians, and um, you know, she and Derek

1:27:25.280 --> 1:27:27.360
<v Speaker 1>Trucks are important to me. They're very important to me.

1:27:27.439 --> 1:27:29.559
<v Speaker 1>They're on my record, and I'm like, yes, this is

1:27:29.600 --> 1:27:32.040
<v Speaker 1>what I want to do for a living. Um, I'm

1:27:32.040 --> 1:27:34.679
<v Speaker 1>getting ready to a show. Uh that I'm really proud

1:27:34.720 --> 1:27:38.000
<v Speaker 1>of that. I just feel like the music matters more

1:27:38.040 --> 1:27:43.880
<v Speaker 1>than the TikTok numbers. So it depends on the day. Um,

1:27:43.920 --> 1:27:46.080
<v Speaker 1>there are days when I'm not worried about it at

1:27:46.080 --> 1:27:48.200
<v Speaker 1>all because i have such a great fan base, Bob.

1:27:48.280 --> 1:27:52.960
<v Speaker 1>I have such tremendously loyal fans that come to every

1:27:53.000 --> 1:27:56.640
<v Speaker 1>stinking show, whether it's Green Hall or it's Bridgestone here

1:27:56.640 --> 1:27:59.519
<v Speaker 1>in Nashville, Tennessee. I literally have those fans, and I've

1:27:59.520 --> 1:28:04.320
<v Speaker 1>earned them. I've worked really hard gaining their loyalty. And

1:28:04.360 --> 1:28:06.519
<v Speaker 1>then there are other days when I realize I'm getting

1:28:06.520 --> 1:28:09.559
<v Speaker 1>ready to sing with Kelsey Ballerini and she's the next,

1:28:09.760 --> 1:28:13.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, big thing, and I'm passing the torch to her. Well,

1:28:13.439 --> 1:28:15.200
<v Speaker 1>that's what I'm supposed to do, because that's what Lauretta

1:28:15.280 --> 1:28:18.519
<v Speaker 1>ll ended to me for me, and that's what women

1:28:18.520 --> 1:28:21.599
<v Speaker 1>in country music do for one another. Ashley McBride really

1:28:21.600 --> 1:28:25.000
<v Speaker 1>good example of the next generation of greatness. She comes

1:28:25.040 --> 1:28:27.000
<v Speaker 1>on stage and sings rock Bottom, and I look at

1:28:27.000 --> 1:28:29.840
<v Speaker 1>her like, well, you go on with your bad self,

1:28:29.880 --> 1:28:32.840
<v Speaker 1>because I'm fifty eight years old and I can still

1:28:32.840 --> 1:28:34.360
<v Speaker 1>get it if I have to, But you know what,

1:28:34.439 --> 1:28:37.519
<v Speaker 1>you go on ahead, girl, and They get it. They

1:28:37.560 --> 1:28:40.479
<v Speaker 1>know that I mean well, but yeah, I have my

1:28:40.560 --> 1:28:43.400
<v Speaker 1>moments of looking on and seeing what everybody else is doing,

1:28:43.400 --> 1:28:46.960
<v Speaker 1>and that's just not good for any of us. Do

1:28:47.040 --> 1:28:52.320
<v Speaker 1>you feel confident in your talent and success or were

1:28:52.360 --> 1:28:59.479
<v Speaker 1>you in the past, even now haunted by impostor syndrome? Oh?

1:28:59.760 --> 1:29:03.519
<v Speaker 1>I I told Oprah this. I did her show by

1:29:03.560 --> 1:29:06.600
<v Speaker 1>the Way, eighteen times more than anybody else because I

1:29:06.640 --> 1:29:09.599
<v Speaker 1>was telling my story and giving my testimony. I told

1:29:09.600 --> 1:29:11.920
<v Speaker 1>her that it took me years to feel like I

1:29:11.960 --> 1:29:16.680
<v Speaker 1>earned my success because I felt like I won the

1:29:16.800 --> 1:29:19.439
<v Speaker 1>freaking lottery in nineteen eight four when I got a

1:29:19.479 --> 1:29:23.200
<v Speaker 1>record deal. Next thing I know, we're on tour, and

1:29:23.439 --> 1:29:26.240
<v Speaker 1>I felt like I hadn't played bars, I hadn't gone

1:29:26.240 --> 1:29:28.760
<v Speaker 1>through the stuff that we hear about with all the

1:29:28.840 --> 1:29:33.519
<v Speaker 1>other legendary performers and artists so that I have struggled

1:29:33.560 --> 1:29:36.760
<v Speaker 1>with in the past. Now I don't at all. I

1:29:36.840 --> 1:29:39.960
<v Speaker 1>just don't. I just don't think that way. I think

1:29:40.040 --> 1:29:42.879
<v Speaker 1>sometimes I'm missing out on things like when the Grammys

1:29:42.920 --> 1:29:45.240
<v Speaker 1>come and go. I think, oh man, I should have

1:29:45.320 --> 1:29:48.479
<v Speaker 1>gone to the Grammys this year. But I'm okay because

1:29:48.520 --> 1:29:51.000
<v Speaker 1>I live on the farm. I sing when I need to,

1:29:51.120 --> 1:29:54.439
<v Speaker 1>and I go home when I can. And what about

1:29:54.479 --> 1:29:56.840
<v Speaker 1>therapy for you? If you had therapy? I do it

1:29:56.880 --> 1:30:00.320
<v Speaker 1>every day almost I've been in recovery and out for

1:30:01.000 --> 1:30:05.000
<v Speaker 1>since two thousand and three. Healing and recovery my middle name,

1:30:05.040 --> 1:30:07.200
<v Speaker 1>and I'm known for it. But I don't flaunt it

1:30:07.240 --> 1:30:09.040
<v Speaker 1>and I don't talk about it a lot because it's

1:30:09.080 --> 1:30:12.479
<v Speaker 1>not nobody's business. I just think it's important to continue

1:30:12.479 --> 1:30:14.360
<v Speaker 1>to tell people I'm in a process. I was in

1:30:14.400 --> 1:30:18.040
<v Speaker 1>one today, yesterday and two days before, because I think

1:30:18.120 --> 1:30:21.400
<v Speaker 1>if you don't reach out, that's the problem. I think

1:30:21.400 --> 1:30:23.800
<v Speaker 1>too many people like me think they have the answers,

1:30:23.840 --> 1:30:26.920
<v Speaker 1>and I know better. So this morning, when I called

1:30:27.000 --> 1:30:30.400
<v Speaker 1>my life coach, who has walked through a lot of

1:30:30.400 --> 1:30:32.280
<v Speaker 1>crap in my life, he was the one that called

1:30:32.320 --> 1:30:34.760
<v Speaker 1>me and said come to your mom's right away. He

1:30:34.800 --> 1:30:37.800
<v Speaker 1>was there when it happened. Ted was there and he's

1:30:37.840 --> 1:30:40.160
<v Speaker 1>our life coach since two thousand three, so we're all

1:30:40.280 --> 1:30:43.960
<v Speaker 1>very connected. And yet I'm in a process all the time.

1:30:44.000 --> 1:30:47.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm working with David Kessler, a wonderful grief counselor, who

1:30:47.800 --> 1:30:50.680
<v Speaker 1>is helping me understand that suicide is a mystery and

1:30:50.720 --> 1:30:53.639
<v Speaker 1>there's no way to neatly wrap it up, so you're

1:30:53.640 --> 1:30:55.640
<v Speaker 1>gonna have to just walk through it, not around it.

1:30:56.280 --> 1:31:01.120
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, heck yeah, I'm part yeah. And going back

1:31:01.120 --> 1:31:04.920
<v Speaker 1>to the music, where do you get the songs from? Well,

1:31:05.040 --> 1:31:08.040
<v Speaker 1>right now, Cactus Mosier and I are writing them because

1:31:08.040 --> 1:31:10.439
<v Speaker 1>when I say I'm somewhere between hell and the Halloween,

1:31:10.479 --> 1:31:13.960
<v Speaker 1>it's so intimate and so personal. A lot of hit

1:31:14.040 --> 1:31:17.559
<v Speaker 1>makers hit me up for Hey, let's check out this song.

1:31:17.720 --> 1:31:19.559
<v Speaker 1>Check out this song like only Love came to me

1:31:19.640 --> 1:31:21.880
<v Speaker 1>directly from the writer who had just finished writing it.

1:31:22.200 --> 1:31:25.360
<v Speaker 1>I recorded it that very same day that he brought

1:31:25.360 --> 1:31:27.280
<v Speaker 1>it to the studio. He knew I was recording, and

1:31:27.320 --> 1:31:29.240
<v Speaker 1>he brought it to the studio. And that's that cheeseus

1:31:29.320 --> 1:31:32.679
<v Speaker 1>only need same thing. Songwriter shows up at the studio,

1:31:32.720 --> 1:31:34.880
<v Speaker 1>says I want to play this for Wynona, sings it

1:31:34.920 --> 1:31:37.320
<v Speaker 1>to me live and re recorded within the next twenty

1:31:37.400 --> 1:31:41.200
<v Speaker 1>four hours. Right now, it's coming from my guts. I

1:31:41.280 --> 1:31:46.680
<v Speaker 1>just finished the song I'm Broken and Blessed in this um,

1:31:46.720 --> 1:31:50.160
<v Speaker 1>I can attest that I'm at the end of my rope,

1:31:50.400 --> 1:31:54.280
<v Speaker 1>but I keep hold and all this is me. I'm

1:31:54.320 --> 1:31:59.840
<v Speaker 1>broken and blessed and this um it's coming from the gut.

1:32:00.240 --> 1:32:02.760
<v Speaker 1>It's coming from the deepest part of my being. So

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<v Speaker 1>look forward to sharing that. Well, this is a transition,

1:32:06.920 --> 1:32:09.960
<v Speaker 1>because certainly in the Judge you're known for cover songs.

1:32:10.720 --> 1:32:14.400
<v Speaker 1>How did you make the transition to writing yourself. I

1:32:14.439 --> 1:32:17.240
<v Speaker 1>started to trust myself more. I think after you have

1:32:17.360 --> 1:32:21.240
<v Speaker 1>grown children and you've had as much failure as I've had.

1:32:22.040 --> 1:32:24.840
<v Speaker 1>I thought, literally, when I started songwriting, what is the

1:32:24.920 --> 1:32:29.280
<v Speaker 1>absolute worst that can happen? They can suck and I

1:32:29.280 --> 1:32:33.360
<v Speaker 1>can just keep on trying um And I trust other songwriters,

1:32:33.400 --> 1:32:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Brandy other people who have talked to me, Robert were

1:32:35.920 --> 1:32:37.559
<v Speaker 1>and I talked an awful lot about being in a

1:32:38.200 --> 1:32:40.679
<v Speaker 1>band at a very young age and not knowing any better.

1:32:41.680 --> 1:32:44.920
<v Speaker 1>And I just listened to people. You know, I meet

1:32:44.960 --> 1:32:48.320
<v Speaker 1>all these young cats that come through and I just

1:32:48.439 --> 1:32:50.800
<v Speaker 1>trust them because they're doing it. And I'm like, you

1:32:50.840 --> 1:32:53.760
<v Speaker 1>know what, if Taylor Swift can do it. You know,

1:32:53.920 --> 1:32:55.760
<v Speaker 1>she was such a young girl when I met her,

1:32:55.840 --> 1:32:58.599
<v Speaker 1>and I thought I had no idea that she would

1:32:58.600 --> 1:33:01.920
<v Speaker 1>become you know this since station, and I just think

1:33:01.960 --> 1:33:04.439
<v Speaker 1>I trust myself now because I'm like, you know what,

1:33:05.120 --> 1:33:07.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to talk to these people in the front

1:33:07.320 --> 1:33:09.640
<v Speaker 1>row like they're my next door neighbor. And that's what

1:33:09.680 --> 1:33:13.360
<v Speaker 1>we do in country music especially, we tell stories. And

1:33:13.400 --> 1:33:16.760
<v Speaker 1>I can tell a story just like anybody else. Um.

1:33:16.800 --> 1:33:18.519
<v Speaker 1>I want to write a song about sisters, and I

1:33:18.560 --> 1:33:20.479
<v Speaker 1>want to write a song about my mother. I'm working

1:33:20.520 --> 1:33:23.920
<v Speaker 1>on that, and I'm writing a song about my granddaughter

1:33:23.960 --> 1:33:26.360
<v Speaker 1>because she's eight months old. In her name is Khalia,

1:33:26.479 --> 1:33:30.040
<v Speaker 1>and she's the light of my life. You mentioned you

1:33:30.120 --> 1:33:36.160
<v Speaker 1>had a lot of failures. Which failures are you talking about? Well, relationships, UM,

1:33:36.439 --> 1:33:41.080
<v Speaker 1>songs that have not worked obviously, UM, tours, you name it.

1:33:41.120 --> 1:33:43.840
<v Speaker 1>I've had good days and not great days, and the

1:33:44.520 --> 1:33:46.559
<v Speaker 1>ones that were the toughest are the ones that taught

1:33:46.560 --> 1:33:50.240
<v Speaker 1>me the most. UM. When my biological father died, I

1:33:50.320 --> 1:33:52.880
<v Speaker 1>felt devastated and I felt like a part of my

1:33:52.960 --> 1:33:56.280
<v Speaker 1>life I would never get back. Stuff like that, you know,

1:33:56.320 --> 1:34:00.000
<v Speaker 1>where you just make really bad decisions financially the wrong people.

1:34:00.640 --> 1:34:03.280
<v Speaker 1>I've been so severely to portrayed. Anytime you have that

1:34:03.320 --> 1:34:05.200
<v Speaker 1>many people in your life, you're going to have issues

1:34:05.240 --> 1:34:08.599
<v Speaker 1>with that. And I've just learned from every single person

1:34:08.600 --> 1:34:11.400
<v Speaker 1>I've ever met. It's been a gift, not exactly what

1:34:11.439 --> 1:34:15.200
<v Speaker 1>I would want, but it was necessary for me to

1:34:15.400 --> 1:34:19.479
<v Speaker 1>finally say no, I'm going to listen to my gut more,

1:34:20.439 --> 1:34:24.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to say that doesn't work for me. By

1:34:24.120 --> 1:34:26.160
<v Speaker 1>the way, it's changed my business model to say that

1:34:26.200 --> 1:34:29.280
<v Speaker 1>doesn't work for me. Be a little more specific, how

1:34:29.280 --> 1:34:32.479
<v Speaker 1>did it change your business model? Well, I'm I'm a

1:34:32.520 --> 1:34:35.080
<v Speaker 1>people pleaser, and I tend to come to meetings wanting

1:34:35.120 --> 1:34:38.720
<v Speaker 1>to be clever, cute, and adorable and want people to

1:34:38.760 --> 1:34:41.439
<v Speaker 1>work with me. And I had to learn to say

1:34:41.479 --> 1:34:43.960
<v Speaker 1>no in a way that people would say, well, tell

1:34:43.960 --> 1:34:46.640
<v Speaker 1>me more about that. And I learned that when you

1:34:46.680 --> 1:34:50.400
<v Speaker 1>walk into a situation, whether it's you know, with a

1:34:50.400 --> 1:34:53.160
<v Speaker 1>friend or someone in the White House, you have to say,

1:34:53.600 --> 1:34:55.360
<v Speaker 1>you know what, I would love to do that and

1:34:55.400 --> 1:34:58.400
<v Speaker 1>I can't, and they would say, well, what can you do?

1:34:59.240 --> 1:35:01.240
<v Speaker 1>It's that way they're is a relationship there. It's not

1:35:01.280 --> 1:35:05.160
<v Speaker 1>a dictatorship. It's a democracy. So that doesn't work for me.

1:35:05.240 --> 1:35:08.559
<v Speaker 1>Helps me with democracy because I'm definitely a team player.

1:35:08.760 --> 1:35:11.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm not one of these it's why not it incorporated,

1:35:11.080 --> 1:35:13.880
<v Speaker 1>But there's a lot incorporated into me and a lot

1:35:13.880 --> 1:35:16.960
<v Speaker 1>of people running it. So when I say that doesn't

1:35:17.000 --> 1:35:19.799
<v Speaker 1>work for me, Bob, that doesn't work for me talking

1:35:19.840 --> 1:35:22.599
<v Speaker 1>about that or so far, I've been willing to talk

1:35:22.640 --> 1:35:25.000
<v Speaker 1>about everything we've talked about. But there are times when

1:35:25.000 --> 1:35:27.760
<v Speaker 1>an interviews, for instance, I'll say, well, you know what,

1:35:27.840 --> 1:35:29.639
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't really work for me to talk about that,

1:35:29.920 --> 1:35:31.680
<v Speaker 1>and then they'll say, well, let's talk about this, and

1:35:31.680 --> 1:35:36.559
<v Speaker 1>then we'll move on. Well, I think that's pretty clear.

1:35:37.120 --> 1:35:39.400
<v Speaker 1>How much do you listen to music at home? And

1:35:39.439 --> 1:35:42.439
<v Speaker 1>what music do you listen to all the time. My

1:35:42.600 --> 1:35:45.920
<v Speaker 1>husband is one of those characters you would love him.

1:35:45.920 --> 1:35:47.840
<v Speaker 1>By the way, is next time we talk, I want

1:35:47.920 --> 1:35:50.679
<v Speaker 1>him to be a part because he is. He goes

1:35:50.720 --> 1:35:53.479
<v Speaker 1>back to the sixties. He's got a record collection unlike

1:35:53.479 --> 1:35:58.320
<v Speaker 1>anyone I know, and he loves every single thing. And

1:35:58.360 --> 1:36:01.519
<v Speaker 1>he knows more about music from the Easty Boys to

1:36:01.640 --> 1:36:06.040
<v Speaker 1>the Birds. I mean, he is all in and he'll

1:36:06.040 --> 1:36:07.800
<v Speaker 1>play something for me and I'll be like, oh my god,

1:36:07.840 --> 1:36:11.160
<v Speaker 1>I had no idea. He played Blackbird for me and

1:36:11.160 --> 1:36:15.640
<v Speaker 1>I went, huh, what the heck. He's a rock and

1:36:15.760 --> 1:36:20.160
<v Speaker 1>roll genius when it comes to history, and he is

1:36:20.240 --> 1:36:23.000
<v Speaker 1>a maverick when it comes to music. So he's always

1:36:23.000 --> 1:36:25.120
<v Speaker 1>playing stuff in the car and I'm always going who

1:36:25.240 --> 1:36:26.880
<v Speaker 1>is that? Who is that? Who is that? And he

1:36:26.960 --> 1:36:29.640
<v Speaker 1>lets me know that who's the character on Yellowstone that

1:36:29.640 --> 1:36:35.519
<v Speaker 1>we just discovered the young the young kid who's playing

1:36:35.600 --> 1:36:41.559
<v Speaker 1>and selling out everywhere. Zach Zach. Yeah he turned me on. Yeah,

1:36:41.600 --> 1:36:44.240
<v Speaker 1>he just turned me on to Zach Brian. So he's

1:36:44.320 --> 1:36:47.880
<v Speaker 1>always at the forefront and he's always bringing me behind

1:36:48.240 --> 1:36:50.600
<v Speaker 1>him with grabbing my hands saying, here, we're gonna go

1:36:50.640 --> 1:36:53.080
<v Speaker 1>see this person. We're gonna go see this person. It

1:36:53.160 --> 1:36:55.000
<v Speaker 1>was his idea of too for me to meet Robert

1:36:55.040 --> 1:36:59.280
<v Speaker 1>were so here we are, you know, and now we're besties. Um.

1:36:59.320 --> 1:37:01.960
<v Speaker 1>And he the way he texted me back within ten minutes,

1:37:02.000 --> 1:37:06.960
<v Speaker 1>he most most people don't do that. Um. So I'm

1:37:07.000 --> 1:37:09.600
<v Speaker 1>I listen to music so much. I'm more immersed in

1:37:09.640 --> 1:37:11.599
<v Speaker 1>it than I've ever been. I will tell you straight up.

1:37:12.080 --> 1:37:16.120
<v Speaker 1>I am an artist, not a celebrity. Some people are

1:37:16.160 --> 1:37:18.559
<v Speaker 1>famous for being famous. I am not. I am in

1:37:18.640 --> 1:37:21.479
<v Speaker 1>it because I want to play these small We're playing

1:37:21.560 --> 1:37:24.639
<v Speaker 1>small places as well as the big places this year.

1:37:25.120 --> 1:37:26.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm not just one of those that I won't play

1:37:26.840 --> 1:37:29.519
<v Speaker 1>it if it doesn't have three thousand seats. I will

1:37:29.560 --> 1:37:36.560
<v Speaker 1>play green Hall every single time they invite me. In Austin, Texas. Okay,

1:37:36.560 --> 1:37:40.360
<v Speaker 1>other than your property, are there any other luxuries, whether

1:37:40.360 --> 1:37:45.679
<v Speaker 1>it be cars, flying, private clothes, jewelry, any other way?

1:37:45.720 --> 1:37:47.400
<v Speaker 1>You say, Yeah, I got money, I'd like to do

1:37:47.439 --> 1:37:50.360
<v Speaker 1>it this way. You are so funny. You know what.

1:37:50.439 --> 1:37:53.960
<v Speaker 1>I like to buy tractors. I'm working on a deal

1:37:54.000 --> 1:37:56.680
<v Speaker 1>with t SC. So let me just tell you straight up.

1:37:56.760 --> 1:38:00.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't do I don't fly privately and less it's

1:38:00.800 --> 1:38:04.759
<v Speaker 1>offered to me or I go in with somebody. Um.

1:38:04.800 --> 1:38:06.679
<v Speaker 1>I don't buy a lot of cars. I haven't driven

1:38:06.680 --> 1:38:08.920
<v Speaker 1>in a while because of the pandemic. I now am

1:38:09.000 --> 1:38:11.720
<v Speaker 1>driven because I don't know. I just like to sit

1:38:11.720 --> 1:38:13.799
<v Speaker 1>in the back and call people and talk on the phone.

1:38:14.600 --> 1:38:18.760
<v Speaker 1>Um luxuries. No, I don't wear jewelry because I'm a

1:38:18.760 --> 1:38:21.080
<v Speaker 1>guitar player. I've been playing since I was eight years old,

1:38:21.080 --> 1:38:24.120
<v Speaker 1>so that's fifty years. I've been playing guitar and getting

1:38:24.120 --> 1:38:26.800
<v Speaker 1>away with it. And I don't really buy a lot

1:38:26.800 --> 1:38:28.719
<v Speaker 1>of clothes. If you look at most of my videos,

1:38:28.720 --> 1:38:30.479
<v Speaker 1>it's like, oh, she's wearing the same thing over and

1:38:30.520 --> 1:38:33.519
<v Speaker 1>over and over and over and over. I won't say

1:38:33.520 --> 1:38:35.839
<v Speaker 1>that I don't care, but I think I probably should

1:38:36.920 --> 1:38:40.400
<v Speaker 1>more now when it comes to hair, I think if

1:38:40.400 --> 1:38:43.680
<v Speaker 1>I spend anything, I spend lots of money on extensions

1:38:43.720 --> 1:38:48.479
<v Speaker 1>and sparkles. That's the first time. It's the first time

1:38:48.479 --> 1:38:51.880
<v Speaker 1>I've ever said the word extensions. I'm gonna let that

1:38:52.000 --> 1:38:58.080
<v Speaker 1>lie good for you. Tell me about two tingle moments

1:38:58.720 --> 1:39:05.000
<v Speaker 1>meeting people. Oh my gosh. Well, the first one was

1:39:05.040 --> 1:39:07.719
<v Speaker 1>for me President Reagan, because he was my very first

1:39:07.720 --> 1:39:11.760
<v Speaker 1>president that I met, and I was like, oh my god,

1:39:11.800 --> 1:39:14.040
<v Speaker 1>this is like a movie. And I was just enamored

1:39:14.080 --> 1:39:17.040
<v Speaker 1>with the whole way that things were done back then.

1:39:17.240 --> 1:39:20.720
<v Speaker 1>You know, everything was such a big deal, and the

1:39:20.800 --> 1:39:24.680
<v Speaker 1>Secret Service and performing for him and going through the

1:39:24.680 --> 1:39:27.320
<v Speaker 1>the whole thing that I had to go through to perform.

1:39:27.360 --> 1:39:31.479
<v Speaker 1>That was number one, uh President's stuff. And then Super

1:39:31.520 --> 1:39:33.960
<v Speaker 1>Bowl when they whisk you out and you have thirty

1:39:34.000 --> 1:39:37.800
<v Speaker 1>seconds to get out there, do your thing and get

1:39:37.800 --> 1:39:41.160
<v Speaker 1>the heck out of dodge. That's pretty tingly, you know,

1:39:41.240 --> 1:39:43.040
<v Speaker 1>because you have only a certain amount of time to

1:39:43.080 --> 1:39:48.000
<v Speaker 1>get your stuff done. Um, let's see, I bungee jumped.

1:39:48.320 --> 1:39:53.599
<v Speaker 1>That was exciting about that. Well, when I went solo,

1:39:53.920 --> 1:39:57.000
<v Speaker 1>I took my whole band and we've bungee jumped at

1:39:57.000 --> 1:40:00.559
<v Speaker 1>one of those what do you call those things sa Flags.

1:40:00.680 --> 1:40:02.960
<v Speaker 1>I think it was at a six Flags. We had

1:40:03.000 --> 1:40:05.680
<v Speaker 1>just done a show and I was like, we're in

1:40:05.760 --> 1:40:08.000
<v Speaker 1>between Remember when we used to do two shows a night.

1:40:08.120 --> 1:40:11.640
<v Speaker 1>By the way, hello, we were doing two shows that

1:40:11.800 --> 1:40:14.040
<v Speaker 1>night and I had time in between shows, and so

1:40:14.080 --> 1:40:16.920
<v Speaker 1>I took everybody and said, whoever will bungee jump gets

1:40:16.960 --> 1:40:20.479
<v Speaker 1>a hundred bucks, and I just I just remember that

1:40:20.520 --> 1:40:23.240
<v Speaker 1>being a real moment for me because it was listen,

1:40:23.320 --> 1:40:27.840
<v Speaker 1>I was single, I was rich, I was young, and

1:40:27.920 --> 1:40:30.720
<v Speaker 1>I was in control, or so I thought, ha ha ha,

1:40:30.960 --> 1:40:35.280
<v Speaker 1>big joke. But I remember thinking I am free, and

1:40:35.320 --> 1:40:38.200
<v Speaker 1>so bungee jumping represented being free to me. It was

1:40:38.240 --> 1:40:40.200
<v Speaker 1>one of the most terrifying things I've ever done, and

1:40:40.240 --> 1:40:43.400
<v Speaker 1>I'll never do it again. But are you that much

1:40:43.439 --> 1:40:46.800
<v Speaker 1>of a risk taker? Definitely? So I think that's why

1:40:46.800 --> 1:40:49.760
<v Speaker 1>I drove mother so crazy. Give me a couple of

1:40:49.800 --> 1:40:55.320
<v Speaker 1>other examples. Oh, you know, buying houses with cash, um,

1:40:55.360 --> 1:41:01.679
<v Speaker 1>picking the wrong guy to marry and ending up almost broke. Um. Oh,

1:41:01.800 --> 1:41:03.640
<v Speaker 1>you name it. I think I've done it, dude. I

1:41:03.680 --> 1:41:06.720
<v Speaker 1>think I've done some really stupid stuff and live to

1:41:06.760 --> 1:41:09.519
<v Speaker 1>write about it. It's in my book. I talk about

1:41:09.560 --> 1:41:12.160
<v Speaker 1>it very openly because I know that in our failures,

1:41:12.160 --> 1:41:15.200
<v Speaker 1>that's how we learn to set boundaries. And I have

1:41:15.320 --> 1:41:19.040
<v Speaker 1>really good boundaries now, better than I did anyway. But

1:41:19.120 --> 1:41:24.400
<v Speaker 1>generally speaking, are you impulsive? Yes, I'm so impulsive that

1:41:24.479 --> 1:41:28.200
<v Speaker 1>my assistant locks the doors because she knows I'll jump

1:41:28.240 --> 1:41:30.360
<v Speaker 1>out and run up and and knock on somebody's door.

1:41:30.360 --> 1:41:33.960
<v Speaker 1>And you think I'm kidding, I will do it. I

1:41:34.000 --> 1:41:38.280
<v Speaker 1>think that's because everybody's so freaking serious. I'm so tired

1:41:38.320 --> 1:41:41.360
<v Speaker 1>of everybody being so unhappy. I just want people to

1:41:41.400 --> 1:41:43.200
<v Speaker 1>have some joy, you know, And if I can bring

1:41:43.280 --> 1:41:46.960
<v Speaker 1>joy to somebody, I will, I will walk over to somebody.

1:41:47.000 --> 1:41:49.200
<v Speaker 1>I did this the other day. Somebody was singing karaoke

1:41:49.280 --> 1:41:51.080
<v Speaker 1>in a bar and somebody called me and said, they're

1:41:51.080 --> 1:41:53.639
<v Speaker 1>doing your song and they really suck. And I said,

1:41:53.640 --> 1:41:56.479
<v Speaker 1>give me give her the phone and I face timed

1:41:56.479 --> 1:41:59.719
<v Speaker 1>her and she looked at me like I was an alien.

1:42:01.800 --> 1:42:04.320
<v Speaker 1>And I loved it so much. I was like, let's

1:42:04.360 --> 1:42:07.120
<v Speaker 1>do that again. Now. I love doing stuff like that.

1:42:09.000 --> 1:42:11.960
<v Speaker 1>And you obviously have this new record on the anti

1:42:12.080 --> 1:42:16.559
<v Speaker 1>you're working on, but anything looking out the front window

1:42:16.720 --> 1:42:20.840
<v Speaker 1>of the of life that you would like to accomplish

1:42:20.840 --> 1:42:25.960
<v Speaker 1>in the time you have left. I want to, like

1:42:26.080 --> 1:42:28.960
<v Speaker 1>John Lennon said, I just want to be remembered for

1:42:29.240 --> 1:42:31.960
<v Speaker 1>being a good person, because I think this business is

1:42:32.120 --> 1:42:35.800
<v Speaker 1>really hard and sometimes it takes the joy out of us.

1:42:36.000 --> 1:42:37.680
<v Speaker 1>And you know what I want to do. I want

1:42:37.680 --> 1:42:40.479
<v Speaker 1>to be self sufficient on the farm. I love, love,

1:42:40.560 --> 1:42:43.519
<v Speaker 1>love the idea of growing my own food, and who

1:42:43.520 --> 1:42:45.720
<v Speaker 1>knows what will come of it. I'd like to have

1:42:46.280 --> 1:42:48.639
<v Speaker 1>concerts on the farm. I'd love to invite the fans

1:42:48.640 --> 1:42:50.879
<v Speaker 1>out for a fish fry and do their own fishing.

1:42:51.600 --> 1:42:55.160
<v Speaker 1>I would like to get back down to re reel.

1:42:55.560 --> 1:42:58.080
<v Speaker 1>I want real more than anything in this life. I

1:42:58.120 --> 1:43:01.800
<v Speaker 1>want real. I think the business is incredibly fake sometimes

1:43:01.840 --> 1:43:05.800
<v Speaker 1>with all the filters and the eyebrows are perfect and

1:43:05.800 --> 1:43:08.840
<v Speaker 1>everything's in place, it's hard to believe anymore what's real.

1:43:09.960 --> 1:43:11.840
<v Speaker 1>So whatever I can do to be real. If I

1:43:11.840 --> 1:43:14.360
<v Speaker 1>can start opening up the farm and doing concerts around

1:43:14.400 --> 1:43:17.800
<v Speaker 1>the lake, come on, let's do it. I might even

1:43:17.800 --> 1:43:24.080
<v Speaker 1>invite you. Well, it certainly sounds great. Shy of that,

1:43:24.120 --> 1:43:27.080
<v Speaker 1>as we're in the middle of winter. Anything we didn't

1:43:27.080 --> 1:43:30.360
<v Speaker 1>talk about that, you feel your fans need to know

1:43:30.520 --> 1:43:32.439
<v Speaker 1>where you want to get off your chest or want

1:43:32.439 --> 1:43:38.280
<v Speaker 1>to illuminate m hmm. Interesting timing that question is very interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to cancel um a performance the other night

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<v Speaker 1>because my body just said, you know what, no is

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<v Speaker 1>a complete sentence. And of course, you know, things go

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<v Speaker 1>viral and people talk and they wonder and they worry,

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<v Speaker 1>and people are saying, oh, she just doesn't look well

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<v Speaker 1>and is she okay? And I will tell you straight up,

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<v Speaker 1>not only am I okay, I'm doing better than I

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<v Speaker 1>actually thought I would be doing at this point in

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<v Speaker 1>this process. I've got an incredibly strong will and an

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<v Speaker 1>incredible faith. Now I get hopeless, and I do have

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<v Speaker 1>days where I just feel like, oh my god, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have the answer, and that's just part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I would tell my fans that I'm in a process,

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<v Speaker 1>and that process can be trusted, whether it's a doctor

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<v Speaker 1>or a lawyer. Uh send lawyer, guns and money. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to be honest with fans and tell them

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<v Speaker 1>that I struggle some days with feeling like it's too much.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, this tour is a big tour, and I

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<v Speaker 1>have to show up and kind of act like I

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm doing. By the way, and I'm also

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<v Speaker 1>the hostess for Ashley McBride and Brandy and Little Big

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<v Speaker 1>Town and it's gonna be a lot. But I'm telling

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<v Speaker 1>the fans everywhere I go, don't worry about me. You

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<v Speaker 1>can pray for me. Um oh, you can see yourself

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<v Speaker 1>and me. I'm struggling at times, I'm broken and I'm blessed.

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<v Speaker 1>On that note, I think we've come to the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the feeling. We've known, we've covered it. Why I

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<v Speaker 1>want to thank you so much for taking the time

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<v Speaker 1>and being so honest and open and real. As you said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>my life depends on it, so you're welcome until next time.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Bob left sets h