Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and
Speaker 1: there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and this is short stuff,
Speaker 1: the shortest stuff of all about Jack Lopes. Do you
Speaker 1: hear that siren? No? Do you hear now? No? Do
Speaker 1: you hear it now? No? Now I do? Yeah. Do
Speaker 1: you remember, Chuck? There was a period of time where
Speaker 1: the fire department would layer down the street every time
Speaker 1: we recorded. It was weird, like there was either somebody
Speaker 1: who kept like faking a sprained ankle at the same
Speaker 1: time on the same day every week, or they were
Speaker 1: testing something out that we're not familiar with, but it
Speaker 1: happened a lot. Yeah. That that was when we just
Speaker 1: started podcasting, and they were like, go in that closet.
Speaker 1: And then it got to be a little bigger and
Speaker 1: they were like, well, I guess you guys should at
Speaker 1: least be in that dumb office. And then after a
Speaker 1: little while longer, eventually they're like, Okay, I guess we'll
Speaker 1: put up a studio. Yeah, they said, it's just like
Speaker 1: that too. They're so upset, And now look at us.
Speaker 1: Now we're like podcasting from home, speeding towards twenty years
Speaker 1: in our basement, yeah, that's right. All right, So jackal opes. Uh,
Speaker 1: if you listen to our Taxidermy episode Taxidermy, no, no, no no,
Speaker 1: it was regular Taxidermy. Oh well, we've done one on
Speaker 1: rogue Taxidermy too, haven't we. We covered that in Taxidermy.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we did a stand alone we
Speaker 1: may have. All right, okay, go ahead, I'm sorry. But
Speaker 1: either way it was in both, then this might be
Speaker 1: take three. But if you've never seen a jackalope, just
Speaker 1: pull your car over. If you're at home, just type
Speaker 1: in jackalope. They're fairly familiar here in the United States
Speaker 1: as sort of kitchy um art that you can hang
Speaker 1: on your wall. Jackallyps are not real. It is a
Speaker 1: combination a taxidermy combination of a rabbit or a hare
Speaker 1: with antlers. And I grew up seeing them here and
Speaker 1: there at roadside diners or if you travel out west
Speaker 1: or something like maybe a hotel lobby wall, and and
Speaker 1: the whole thing with jacolypse is always that you try
Speaker 1: to convince somebody that it's a real thing. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: very annoying, like that's a really annoying, unnecessary part of
Speaker 1: the whole thing. But it's a Wyoming tradition. From what
Speaker 1: I understand, it's the snipe hunt of wall Art. That's
Speaker 1: exactly right. Um. And there's lots of legends and tall
Speaker 1: tales about the jaclopes that they have really nice singing voices,
Speaker 1: and that in particular, if you're out on the range
Speaker 1: and you have a campfire going, you start singing cowboys
Speaker 1: songs that from out in the out in the bush brush,
Speaker 1: they'll start singing in. They'll join in on the course
Speaker 1: and everything, which is kind of adorable. They're also supposedly
Speaker 1: cousins to big Foot. Um. They're pretty great and probably
Speaker 1: the cutest mythical creatures there are. Um. But they actually,
Speaker 1: as far as the New York Times I think reported
Speaker 1: in nineteen, there's actually like a real life origin story
Speaker 1: to them that we may or may not have discussed before,
Speaker 1: but we're definitely going to again here. That's right. The
Speaker 1: origin story is I think very well vetted. Uh. This
Speaker 1: is the kind of thing where it seems like it
Speaker 1: could be because there's just so much, um, so many
Speaker 1: tall tales surrounding jackalopes. That seems like the kind of
Speaker 1: thing where the origin could be very highly suspect. But
Speaker 1: it seems like, this is totally real. And the Herrick
Speaker 1: brothers H E, R, R, I, C K and Wyoming,
Speaker 1: And we should mention Wyoming is very much into their
Speaker 1: jackalopes because of this, because they were where it all started. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you look at the Wyoming Lotteries logo, there's a
Speaker 1: jackalope on. Yeah, it's a big deal in Wyoming. As
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, there's at least five times. Uh,
Speaker 1: the Wyoming legislature has tried and failed for some reason.
Speaker 1: I don't get it to make the jackalope Wyoming's official
Speaker 1: state mythological creature. Maybe they're trying to really govern and
Speaker 1: do something that matters. I guess so. I suspect Liz
Speaker 1: Cheney is killing this every time. I don't know why,
Speaker 1: but I do. Uh. So the Herrick brothers, you know what,
Speaker 1: maybe we should take a break and leave a cliffhanger
Speaker 1: as to what they actually did. Okay, it's short stuff.
Speaker 1: Why not? Well, now we're on the road driving in
Speaker 1: your truck. Want to learn a thing or two from
Speaker 1: Josh can Chuck. It's stuff you should know, all right,
Speaker 1: all right, it's quite a cliffhanger. I know about the
Speaker 1: Herrick brothers, H Douglas Herrick. He was born in Douglas,
Speaker 1: Wyoming in nine. He's in the Air Force during World
Speaker 1: War Two and then worked as a pipe fitter and
Speaker 1: was a big hunter because he is in Wyoming and
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of people that are into that there.
Speaker 1: And his brother Ralph, they got into taxidermy at an
Speaker 1: early age and had their own taxidermy shop. And as
Speaker 1: legend goes, one day, one of these brothers, and it
Speaker 1: was the year is kind of um debatable, could be
Speaker 1: thirty four, thirty nine or forty is what I've heard.
Speaker 1: One of them came back from a hunt, had this
Speaker 1: jack rabbit slid it across the table and it hits
Speaker 1: little dead head slid and perfectly met a pair of antlers,
Speaker 1: and one of them said they check that out, and
Speaker 1: the other one said that's awesome, and that was it.
Speaker 1: That was it. They said, well, we're taxidermists, we might
Speaker 1: as well make this happen, and they did. It's a
Speaker 1: very sad origin story because of the dead rabbit, but
Speaker 1: other than that, it's pretty cool. They made one. They
Speaker 1: actually just made one, I guess from that rabbit and
Speaker 1: those antlers and um, there was a guy named Roy Ball,
Speaker 1: who had a hotel in Douglas, Wyoming, who got wind
Speaker 1: of the brother's little invention, and he bought it off
Speaker 1: of them for ten bucks back in again nineteen thirties
Speaker 1: at the latest, which is substantial um. And he put
Speaker 1: it up in his hotel and it became uh basically
Speaker 1: a little legendary piece of like you call it wall
Speaker 1: art uh. And it stayed there for a good three
Speaker 1: maybe four decades, and then someone actually stole it off
Speaker 1: the wall and was it was never never found out
Speaker 1: who did it. It was never recovered. The original jackalope
Speaker 1: maybe in somebody's garage or attic or even maybe on
Speaker 1: their wall somewhere out there, and they may not even
Speaker 1: know that this is the original jackalope that the Herrick
Speaker 1: brothers created. So this is where I have to confess,
Speaker 1: because every time I was researching this, when we got
Speaker 1: to this part, I kept thinking of the story. In college,
Speaker 1: I stole something with my friends and I in college
Speaker 1: one time when we were out doing bad things and
Speaker 1: a night out and Athens, we took a stuffed porcupine
Speaker 1: from a bar that was hanging on the wall, and
Speaker 1: that porcupine lived in our apartment for about six months
Speaker 1: before we returned it. Oh you did return it? Huh yeah,
Speaker 1: we read it well. When we moved out, we're like,
Speaker 1: what do we do with the porcupine? What bar was it?
Speaker 1: I want to say it was Gus Garcias. Do you
Speaker 1: remember that place? No? I remember it was that the
Speaker 1: same thing as Guesses maybe, I think so. I've only
Speaker 1: heard of it referred to as Gusses. Yeah, that's probably
Speaker 1: one of those things where you knew the cool kid
Speaker 1: name and I was older and more square, so I
Speaker 1: called it by It's a given name. So so how
Speaker 1: did you guys return it? We have to know. I
Speaker 1: believe it was like, um, you know the fine upstanding
Speaker 1: thing that you do when you go and throw it
Speaker 1: at the front door and run with a note through
Speaker 1: one of the quills that said like, you know, we
Speaker 1: took this six months ago, sorry, signed anonymous. At least
Speaker 1: you gave it back to Gus Garcia. Yeah. So somebody
Speaker 1: stole that original jackalope and did not even have the
Speaker 1: you know, the fourth rightness to throw it on the
Speaker 1: front porch at that hotel. So it remains gone. Man,
Speaker 1: do you remember Uptown Lounge in their happy hour with
Speaker 1: fish bowl Margharita's. I don't remember going to the happy
Speaker 1: hour there. Oh it was insane. Athens is a lot
Speaker 1: different now, Yeah, I know when you were there. Oh,
Speaker 1: I can't remember what we passed through there for about
Speaker 1: three or four years ago. Okay, not too bad. I
Speaker 1: still go occasionally, and um, yeah, it's a lot different
Speaker 1: grown up, A lot can still porcupines willy nilly anymore. No,
Speaker 1: there's no college shenanigans. Everybody's like an activist and interested
Speaker 1: in like important things, and we're like basically like animal
Speaker 1: house or something. Pretty much. That was what we were
Speaker 1: like in college. Uh So, Yeah, this original Jackalope was stolen,
Speaker 1: and like you said, they never caught the thief. But
Speaker 1: this kind of kick started a thing for the Herrick
Speaker 1: family and they started making and selling these things. I
Speaker 1: don't I tried to find out if they held any
Speaker 1: kind of weird patent or not, or if they were
Speaker 1: knockoff jacko loobes. But they sold tens of thousands of these,
Speaker 1: which I really have to point out here. We're talking
Speaker 1: about tons of thousands of dead rabbits and dead deer,
Speaker 1: some of which may never have been otherwise dead had
Speaker 1: it not been for the jack Lope craze. Yes, I
Speaker 1: think it had it's worth remarking. I don't want to
Speaker 1: be a downer here because I know it's all sweet
Speaker 1: and cute and hot like they like to to to
Speaker 1: put the hurt and on tourists brains with, you know,
Speaker 1: talking about it's real or whatever. But a lot of
Speaker 1: rabbits and and Dee or died because of this, this
Speaker 1: whole idea like it's real dead is what it is
Speaker 1: exactly just for this rogue Taxadermy No, I agree. I
Speaker 1: love those rabbits. I don't want to see him hanging
Speaker 1: on a wall with antler sticking out of their heads. No,
Speaker 1: let the rabbits live. But Douglas, I think, uh wall
Speaker 1: drug in Wyoming, which has a giant jackalope. There no
Speaker 1: wal drugs in North Dakota. Oh it is okay. So
Speaker 1: they became a distributor and they have a giant jackalope.
Speaker 1: So eventually, when Douglas Herrick, the initial jackal oper died
Speaker 1: in two thousand three, I think his son was interviewed
Speaker 1: by the New York Times and said that they were
Speaker 1: selling it looks like, you know, fifteen to two thousand
Speaker 1: of these a year just a wald drug. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of rabbits. It is a lot of
Speaker 1: I feel like we've really kind of taken this thing
Speaker 1: on a nose dive, but um, I feel like we
Speaker 1: could also take it on an even bigger nose dive
Speaker 1: in a second, chuck, let's do it with the shop
Speaker 1: Papioma virus. Uh. It's so sad to look at these pictures.
Speaker 1: It is sad, but it's also fascinating. It's much more
Speaker 1: gratifying to look at um botanical or not botanical biological
Speaker 1: um Yeah, botanies just plants, biological um or like nature
Speaker 1: illustrations of it. Yeah, the um it's related to HPV
Speaker 1: and it's an affliction that can cause rabbits to develop
Speaker 1: these horns, their tumors basically, and they can come out
Speaker 1: of their face looking like a little horns. So there
Speaker 1: are pictures of rabbits with all these horny spikes thrusting
Speaker 1: from their face and heads, and it's just look a
Speaker 1: lot like war hogs. Yes, sort of like a rabbit
Speaker 1: war hoog. And like, what's what's interesting to me? There's
Speaker 1: actually one in the Smithsonians collection, their animal collection, dead
Speaker 1: animal collection, I should say, um and that they that
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to have informed the Herrick brothers creation of
Speaker 1: the jackalope. Those are two different things, but there was
Speaker 1: a period of time. I think the first sightings are
Speaker 1: described in the sixteenth or seventeenth centuries. Yeah, the seventeenth
Speaker 1: century um that that people wondered if there was a
Speaker 1: species of rabbit out there that had horns or antlers.
Speaker 1: And it's just totally tangential to the invention of the jackalope,
Speaker 1: nothing to do with it, and even tangential not even
Speaker 1: connected in any way. And that's jack galobes, that is
Speaker 1: jack lops. If you want to know get to know jacklebs.
Speaker 1: You could do worse than traveling to Douglas, Wyoming, which
Speaker 1: is the official, as proclaimed by Wyoming Governor Ed Herschler,
Speaker 1: home of the jacklope. That's where they hail from. And again,
Speaker 1: you could go play some scratch offs in Wyoming with
Speaker 1: their lottery and see jackalope. Yeah, and you can even
Speaker 1: buy a little fun fake jackalope hunting license. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: thought that was kind of adorable, which is not real obviously.
Speaker 1: I think they grant hunting from sunrise to sunset on
Speaker 1: one day a year. Yeah, but it's a day that
Speaker 1: doesn't even exist June thirty one, but it coincides with
Speaker 1: Douglas is Um Jackalope Days festival, which I think is
Speaker 1: held in June as well. So if you're all about
Speaker 1: the Jackalopes, yeah, killing rabbits, they do. And we also
Speaker 1: have to give a shout out, which we probably did
Speaker 1: in the Taxidermy episode two to our from Van Nostrin
Speaker 1: who once had a band called the Jacklyps. Remember that's right,
Speaker 1: and also shout out to one of the nicest hotels
Speaker 1: I've ever stayed in on our Australia tour on our
Speaker 1: down days, the Jackalppe Hotel. Oh is that right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That was amazing. I could see Australians loving the jack Lope,
Speaker 1: but it's probably actually real in Australia. That's right. Um,
Speaker 1: I guess that's it. Chuck doesn't have anything more. I'm
Speaker 1: assuming I don't either, so that means, of course, short
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