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Speaker 1: Hey, well, welcome in. I'm done godly been. This is

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Speaker 1: the all new All Ball, All Basketball, all the time.

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Speaker 1: Max Hooper is our guest tomorrow. MAXI played at Oakland.

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Speaker 1: He also played St. John's and at Harvard. He's now

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Speaker 1: an assistant coach in the video room for the l

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Speaker 1: A Lakers. But there isn't actually a video room. It's

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Speaker 1: a virtual video room. What's all that like? And wait

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Speaker 1: till you hear his life story, his amazing uh late father,

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Speaker 1: like all of these things, it's gonna come together for you.

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Speaker 1: It's uh. He's a special dude, and I'm so honored

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Speaker 1: that he would join me on this pod. I do

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Speaker 1: want to get a little bit into college basketball and

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Speaker 1: a little bit in the NBA. First in college basketball,

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Speaker 1: Michigan State trending up, Duke trending up. Obviously, Duke. The

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Speaker 1: Jalen Johnson story has been big, and I do think

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Speaker 1: that the addition by subtraction, it's what if you coach,

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Speaker 1: you understand when people have agendas outside of winning games,

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Speaker 1: that that is the making of a bad team, right,

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Speaker 1: that's the making of a bad team or making of

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Speaker 1: a dysfunctional team. And the only difference between Duke now

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Speaker 1: and Duke with Jalen Johnson is they have I would

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Speaker 1: guess all the feet in the circle as opposed to

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Speaker 1: Jalen Johnson, who I'm not gonna say he had both

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Speaker 1: feet outside the circle, but probably one foot in and

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Speaker 1: one foot in the tepid waters of the NBA. And

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Speaker 1: that mentality, that inability to coach him. It's it's the

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Speaker 1: embodiment of what sucks about basketball. It's like I have

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Speaker 1: au teams. If I get onto a kid, or if

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take him to another team where he plays

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Speaker 1: more Like I'm not saying he's not gonna play ever,

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Speaker 1: but he's got to learn. He's got to watch other kids,

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Speaker 1: like other guys that are succeeding. These are these things

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Speaker 1: is the addition by subtraction. I think you look at

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Speaker 1: what Michigan States done. They've they've tinkered with their lineup

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Speaker 1: can be kind of a turnover machine where he tries

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Speaker 1: to prove himself too much. But also look Thomas those

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Speaker 1: one what feels like a million games, and so is

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Speaker 1: Mike Sachowski. Did you think they ultimately wouldn't figure out

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Speaker 1: the Rubik's cube? And it's like we we we so quickly.

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Speaker 1: I mean Kentucky's playing better. Yes, players do determine how

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Speaker 1: good you could ultimately be. No one's ever done it

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Speaker 1: without quality players. But Bill self is the perfect example.

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Speaker 1: They don't have a great team. Maybe Obaji is gonna

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Speaker 1: be a draft pick. I don't think anybody else. Um

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Speaker 1: Ryce Thompson maybe in a couple of years. He's still

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Speaker 1: very young and his body physically, he's not mature yet.

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Speaker 1: But Ah, Kansas is gonna go to the tournament. Michigan

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Speaker 1: States fighting that way. Duke is definitely trending that way.

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Speaker 1: Like these guy. Calipari's team is playing better. These guys

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Speaker 1: can recruit, because damn they can coach ball. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure we have a healthy enough respect. There were

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Speaker 1: a lot of other coaches that were like, ha, look

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Speaker 1: at those guys. They don't have players guess what with

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Speaker 1: those exact same players that are younger, maybe not as

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Speaker 1: don't want to play them. You know why, because those

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Speaker 1: dudes have won a ton of games. They know what

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Speaker 1: they're doing. Before we get to some of the NBA

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Speaker 1: noticed how undervalued UM West Coast basketball teams are, right

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Speaker 1: San Diego State, Yet neither of these programs are being

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Speaker 1: viewed as top four seed programs. USC same thing, and

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Speaker 1: for the second weekend and maybe beyond. All Right, let's

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Speaker 1: get to Max Hooper. Max was incredible shooter. He uh.

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Speaker 1: He went to two different high schools, to three different colleges.

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Speaker 1: He played professionally in the G League, and now he's

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Speaker 1: the video assistant for one of the video assistants for

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Speaker 1: the l A Lakers. Without further ado, A proud graduate

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Speaker 1: of both St. John's and Oakland University. Here's Max Hooper.

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Speaker 1: Let's welcome men. He's Max Hooper, like the perfect name

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Speaker 1: for a guy who loves ball. Um uh, Actually, I'm

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Speaker 1: where the brain functions better when you start at the start,

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Speaker 1: end at the end, right, But I do want to

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Speaker 1: tell you what what There's a couple of reasons I

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Speaker 1: and I was listening the Blues Travelers and all of

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Speaker 1: with you about your dad, and we'll work all the

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Speaker 1: way back to all the stuff about your dad. So

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Speaker 1: I used to when I was at CBS. I used

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Speaker 1: It was awesome. It was still stories. And he's like,

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Speaker 1: I'm I know more about the twenty nine other teams

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Speaker 1: your storage. Is a really good Um, how different is

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Speaker 1: But then a lot of the as it gets more nuanced,

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Speaker 1: and yet so good. Like Mike, I sent you that

429
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Speaker 1: video my son hitting a game winner, right, was one

430
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Speaker 1: of those like sweet, but it's one of one of those.

431
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Speaker 1: Like I've been working with him, like, hey, dude, this

432
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Speaker 1: stuff works. You got a bigger dude on you just

433
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Speaker 1: one step to the side and up and go. And

434
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Speaker 1: it's different than how we were taught in terms of

435
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Speaker 1: shooting a step back and whatever. Um, what's the what

436
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Speaker 1: are they when when you try and break down, uh,

437
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Speaker 1: Damian Lillard, what is the what are the keys to

438
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Speaker 1: try and slow him down? You're not gonna stop. Yeah,

439
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Speaker 1: I mean the guy, the guy is a relentless score.

440
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Speaker 1: But I think to your point, he I think, if

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Speaker 1: my advanced stats are correct, he's shooting a career high

442
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Speaker 1: at the rim this year, so he is finishing at

443
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Speaker 1: a higher level than he ever has been. And the

444
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Speaker 1: deep three, I mean the four pointers as we call him,

445
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Speaker 1: you know, beyond thirty ft. He's he's pulling up off

446
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Speaker 1: the dribble with with like their layups. Um, you know,

447
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Speaker 1: I think only the only guys that really come to

448
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Speaker 1: mind and consistently do that our Steph and Trey Young

449
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Speaker 1: and Lillard. So that's something that is unique. So your

450
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Speaker 1: point of pickup has to be higher. You can't. You

451
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Speaker 1: can't you know, pick him up with your heels on

452
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Speaker 1: the three point line because that's that's that thing is

453
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Speaker 1: going up. And he killed us in the first game,

454
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Speaker 1: I think seven threes. I forget his point total, but

455
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Speaker 1: really came at us. So for us, it's about you know,

456
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Speaker 1: making him. Like you said, you're not gonna shut the

457
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Speaker 1: guy down. I mean, he's he's you know, all star starters.

458
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Speaker 1: He's relentless, you know, he's, uh, he's I don't know,

459
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Speaker 1: star starter and start about it, don't. I know, I'm

460
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 1: just messing with you. Like these guys, I don't want

461
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Speaker 1: to play the Alstar Game, but but I want to

462
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Speaker 1: be a starter, Like yeah, it's always it's you always

463
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Speaker 1: want a little more, you know, I got it. I mean, look,

464
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm guilty of it. We all are as competitive people,

465
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Speaker 1: and I do understand it. You want to be recognized

466
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Speaker 1: as as elite um, you know, but it's just it's

467
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Speaker 1: fascinating to me. On these guys. It's like at some

468
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Speaker 1: point they're like, hey, I'm in the All Star Game.

469
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Speaker 1: It's for good, you know. It's it's like the Seinfeld

470
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Speaker 1: with McDonald's, you know, billions and billions. At some points

471
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Speaker 1: just go, we're Donald's. We're doing pretty well, right. We

472
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Speaker 1: served a lot of him, Yeah, he said, uh well,

473
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Speaker 1: I guess one last thing to note about Dame that

474
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Speaker 1: it makes him unique is he loves to pull up

475
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Speaker 1: off the dribble right when you're on him and try

476
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Speaker 1: to draw the foul um. So for me, I think,

477
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Speaker 1: I I it's my job to highlight things that make

478
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Speaker 1: a guy unique, you know, like if a guy's scoring

479
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Speaker 1: out of pick and roll, it's not just all right,

480
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Speaker 1: what does he do? Like everyone everyone scores out a

481
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 1: pick and roll? You know, like, what does he do

482
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Speaker 1: that specific? Like you said, the side step is something

483
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Speaker 1: to note, and it's a short, quick side step. It's

484
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Speaker 1: not like how I was taught on pull ups in separation.

485
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Speaker 1: Cover as much ground as possible. I'm gonna cover as

486
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Speaker 1: much ground as i can, but I'm gonna do it slowly.

487
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Speaker 1: So let me just cover a tiny bit of ground,

488
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Speaker 1: but do it in a split second. Then I'm gonna

489
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Speaker 1: get my shout offs. So that's what he does. He

490
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Speaker 1: pulls up off the dribble looking to draw the foul.

491
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Speaker 1: So the leaning something to be aware of. And then uh,

492
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Speaker 1: finishing at a career high level at the rim, so

493
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Speaker 1: you know, challenge him at the rim, and then you

494
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Speaker 1: can't foul him because he shoots ninety plus from the

495
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Speaker 1: free throw line. So tough cover. Well, that's it's one

496
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Speaker 1: of the things. Then it's like, uh, you know, um,

497
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Speaker 1: I've told I've when I've done the draft stuff, It's

498
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Speaker 1: like you can and now it's really hard to hide

499
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Speaker 1: anybody defensively, right, and then just the way in which

500
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Speaker 1: basketball has a bauld it's not just about mismatches. You know,

501
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Speaker 1: they'll move around side of hand and all of a sudden,

502
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Speaker 1: boom they put you in the Balls're like, well, wait

503
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Speaker 1: a second, how do they get that? Like, yeah, that

504
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Speaker 1: was the whole designer to get your worst defender on

505
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Speaker 1: their best players. Hard to hide anyone, but I think

506
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Speaker 1: it's much harder the hearts hide A. Guards are in

507
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Speaker 1: our starting for a in the NBA for a reason.

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Speaker 1: They are, you know, every gagine being a rookie yard.

509
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Speaker 1: Reagine being a rookie guard. You're like, okay, to night

510
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Speaker 1: a guard guard Steph, Tomorrow night guard of guard Damian

511
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Speaker 1: then maybe some Donovan Mitchell. Oh, then you got Jamal Murray, Like, hey,

512
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Speaker 1: have fun, you have to be end and if you

513
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Speaker 1: have a bad night there, get ready for the next night.

514
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Speaker 1: Like it's it's crazy. Um, you're a great shooter, great shooter.

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Speaker 1: When you watch the tapes, who's the best shooter? Just

516
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Speaker 1: just in terms of shooter, Like I what I don't

517
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Speaker 1: like about Steph is everybody says the best shooter ever,

518
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Speaker 1: Like I don't think enough people can textualize it. This

519
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Speaker 1: is my personal opinion. You've watched the more on tape. Um,

520
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: some guys you know right, some guys can go left.

521
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Speaker 1: Some guys are catching shoot. Like Sedale three us played

522
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Speaker 1: for the Lakers when I was a kid, but in

523
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Speaker 1: between before they got Kobe and they had formed after Magic.

524
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Speaker 1: I actually like those teams MC Fan Exel and Vladi

525
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Speaker 1: was still there right and Sedale three, if he dribbled

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Speaker 1: the ball with his left hand, it was going in,

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Speaker 1: and any other way it probably wasn't going in right.

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Speaker 1: Tony Parker uh similarly, always I think always pounds it one,

529
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Speaker 1: always pounded it once with his left hand before each

530
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Speaker 1: When you do that, it was going in most times. Right. Steph,

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Speaker 1: I feel like he can go either way and catch shoot. Um,

532
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Speaker 1: But in terms of best shooter you've seen breaking down tape,

533
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Speaker 1: who's who would be the one that you would say?

534
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: I mean, Steph is the easy answer obviously because he's

535
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Speaker 1: he's so versatile, and like like you said, it doesn't matter.

536
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Speaker 1: Catch shoot doesn't matter, deep doesn't matter. All balance, left

537
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 1: right pretty much doesn't matter. I mean, he might shoot

538
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Speaker 1: slightly better going right than left, but it's really probably

539
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: not much of a difference. But um, I mean, I'll

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Speaker 1: probably take two guys if that's okay. This season Duncan

541
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Speaker 1: Robbins and uh, Joe Harris, I mean, I just I

542
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Speaker 1: just saw Joe Harris's shot shirt and I believe he

543
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: shoots sevent from the left corner three. Um, so that's sickening,

544
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, and and he shoots

545
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Speaker 1: six or sixty something percent at the room, so he shoots,

546
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Speaker 1: he shoots a corner three better than he does layouts.

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Speaker 1: And uh, well here's what's amazing about that. So I

548
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Speaker 1: have we have a doctor dish in my house, right, so, uh,

549
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 1: you know, like you're trying to encourage your kids kids, like, hey, look,

550
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Speaker 1: you know best shooting at that best he did seventy

551
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Speaker 1: percent from the corner three in games, that's not like

552
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Speaker 1: these all these dudes you go into an empty gym

553
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 1: and it's what they're shooting eighty and ninety right like

554
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: crazy in games? Is it's ridiculous. There's another R word

555
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: we don't use anymore, that's what it is. Like, it's

556
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 1: just so mind blowingly amazing with with with NBA players

557
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: guarding you getting paid, right, millions and millions and millions.

558
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: Your job is to stop this guy from doing this,

559
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: and he's still doing it, you know. Um, and he

560
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: his role has changed a bit, you know, with the

561
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Speaker 1: new context. Obviously with their team, his shots are coming differently.

562
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Speaker 1: Michigan didn't start him, and they think that's why they

563
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Speaker 1: went to the final four because they were so good defensively,

564
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Speaker 1: you know. But I mean, I have no regrets with

565
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Speaker 1: my career. You know, I gave it everything I had,

566
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Speaker 1: so I definitely have no regrets. But I mean I

567
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Speaker 1: did everything I could in my power, you know, so

568
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Speaker 1: certain things just work out the way they supposed to

569
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Speaker 1: work out. But but you best believe, as you know,

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Speaker 1: as a part of when I was in person, at

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Speaker 1: least a part of my coaching role, you know, sometimes

572
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Speaker 1: it was my job to hop in scout team, you know,

573
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Speaker 1: so we're preparing for the rockets. I got the green

574
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Speaker 1: light to go out there and let it fly. So

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Speaker 1: that was that was fun. But like Miles had me,

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Speaker 1: as p J. Tucker and Daniel House said, anytime you

577
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Speaker 1: can catch it, just fire. Um, so I got I

578
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: got to do that, and um you know, obviously playing

579
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Speaker 1: in the NBA was my dream. But now you know,

580
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Speaker 1: being a coach, like my passion had shifted to being

581
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Speaker 1: the best coach I can and if I but if

582
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Speaker 1: I can add value doing that and I still have

583
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Speaker 1: that skill, then you know, I'm happy to do it.

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00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: I'm happy to contribute. So I had a chance to

585
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Speaker 1: work out with Duncan Um Duncan Robinson in two thousand

586
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Speaker 1: and sixteen, but it was following his sophomore year, so

587
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Speaker 1: it really hadn't established himself at the level he's been at.

588
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Speaker 1: And we did have some pretty epic shooting battles, so

589
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Speaker 1: that was fun. And he uh, I mean he grew

590
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: since then. I mean I think he's all of six

591
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: eight now and now he's really figured out how to

592
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Speaker 1: make it work defensively, while also he knows all the

593
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Speaker 1: of the trade, how to get his shot off, throw

594
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Speaker 1: the ball out, their misdirection, change direction, shot fakes. He's

595
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Speaker 1: he's a it's a work of art to watch him

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Speaker 1: as a shooter. Okay, so you the story I wrote

597
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Speaker 1: a long time ago, was you Fell in Love with Basketball?

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Speaker 1: Was the Salt Lake Hotel room and then jazz Run. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that sounds about My dad and I were in a

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Speaker 1: skiing trip. So somewhere in Utah probably uh somewhere in

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Speaker 1: Utuch something I probably I would imagine. So and the

602
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Speaker 1: this is when the Jazz, Karl Malone, John Stockton, the

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Speaker 1: greatest team in the world, are second greatest team in

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Speaker 1: the world. I supposed at the time they were had

605
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Speaker 1: to blow out late at night and I said, man,

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Speaker 1: I had never watched the basketball game before. I said,

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Speaker 1: this is the greatest team ever, right, like, who could

608
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Speaker 1: be better? They just won by fifty points and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know whatever. It was four or five six year

610
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: old Max. That was That was my reality right there.

611
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Speaker 1: So that's where the the love the NBA, I suppose

612
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: it was born. Okay, so how did you foster that?

613
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Speaker 1: You're in Carmel, California, which you know it's beautiful, but

614
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Speaker 1: I mean it's incredible area, right the Cypress Trees, beautiful

615
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: little downtown. You grew up playing basketball? Where was there? Like,

616
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Speaker 1: I know, we'll get to high school in second but

617
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Speaker 1: as a little kid with you, there was the y

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Speaker 1: m c. A League. Um, but I mean in that area,

619
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Speaker 1: you know, the sports as a whole aren't that strong.

620
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Speaker 1: So I mean I was. I was early, I was

621
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Speaker 1: dominating the y m c. A League or the rec

622
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Speaker 1: Center League. But then once I got to getting closer

623
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Speaker 1: to Laon middle school, I doing au up in the

624
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: Bay Area, that's where more competition was so getting loved

625
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: than that. But for me, it's started in the backyard,

626
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: just shooting and shooting and shooting and shooting and shooting

627
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Speaker 1: my own. You know, my dad didn't play, my mom didn't,

628
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Speaker 1: I didn't have it the last name Hooper, but no

629
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Speaker 1: one in my family played basketball, um, and I didn't

630
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Speaker 1: really have buddies at school who played, So it was

631
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: really just me watching NBA games and then going outside

632
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: and just shooting, shooting, shooting. That's basically that's how Euros

633
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: drew up. Right, They described how did you learn to

634
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: shoot the basketball? Like? Because your your shot it was pure?

635
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: Was it always that way? Or did did you learn

636
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: did somebody teach you? Did you go to a camp?

637
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Speaker 1: Like how did you learn the proper way? Because your

638
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: your shot is pretty much fundamentally perfect? You Uh? For me,

639
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: it was kind of self taught. I did. I I

640
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: worked with some trainers, but it wasn't so much on

641
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: shooting form Um. I was kind of the kid early on,

642
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: I did. I had a bit of a funky shot

643
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: and people would, uh, you know, I was making them.

644
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: Coaches wouldn't really touch it wouldn't really mean what uh,

645
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: A lot of the left hand involvement, so the come

646
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: flick in it and a bit of like a chest

647
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: release rather than you know, more towards the eyebrow. But

648
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: it was my thing was so Miles, we can attest this.

649
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: We're in fourth grade, first sever NJB championship at Fullerton College.

650
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: Used the work dudes out right, and I beat I

651
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: beat Miles. They had at halftime of the fourth grade

652
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: championship me our team against Miles two. We had a

653
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: three point shooting contest and I beat him. And I

654
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: used to shoot the ball and I would I would

655
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: sum it, but it would like tap the ball. And

656
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: so I had a little bit of saturn rotation, you know.

657
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: And I think Anthony Davis actually has that too, right,

658
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: He's got a little bit that that saturn rotational outside

659
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: it's been yeah, but mine was was, but it went

660
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: in and then you know, when I got what wasn't

661
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: until high school when I fixed it right, but it

662
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,719
Speaker 1: was I took the thumb off it. So that's where

663
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: I am kind of with my son, where he for eleven,

664
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: and for a little eleven year old, he shoots it

665
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: pretty well left hand. He gets his thumb a little

666
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: bit into it. But I do think that you know,

667
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: it's about will eventually get it there, get it where

668
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,959
Speaker 1: his hands behind the ball. He's not strong enough yet,

669
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: but it's pretty good, pretty well one handed it gets there.

670
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: But it is interesting on how you know Ray Allen,

671
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: would he occasionally get that thumb into it? You know?

672
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: Uh Reggie Miller, like watch how he shoots, like he

673
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: actually used two fingers, right, yeah, this, Yes, you're like,

674
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: what like where the great shoots? Ever, that doesn't make

675
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: any sense, whereas clay and staph are as pure as

676
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: the driven stone, right Like that's like and that's how

677
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: that's our show. Um, get into that middle school? And

678
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: how did the conversation take place to your dad like, hey,

679
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: I want to go and play it. I want to

680
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,479
Speaker 1: go play like a high school, not in Carmel. Yeah,

681
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: I think I think the writing was always on the wall,

682
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: like because I always had lost ted goals with basketball,

683
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: like I I mean, here I am today, I'm working

684
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: with the lads, Like I always knew basketball was what

685
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: I wanted to do. And I think my dad, like

686
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: whether we had a direct conversation or not about it,

687
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: it was just like playing in Carmel was it just

688
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna challenge me appropriately. And I think, you know,

689
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: you can't, you know, determine what your kids pursue. But

690
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: if you know, whatever your kids pursue, you you want

691
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: to help them and give them whatever tools you can.

692
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: And for me, it was just like I just needed

693
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: I was the big fish in a little pond, and

694
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 1: so I just need to find a bit bigger, bigger pond.

695
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: And so I mean, obviously, my family made a ton

696
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: of sacrifices and I'm always grateful for that. Both my

697
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: parents and my sister made a ton of sacrifices for

698
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: me to be able to try to pursue higher levels

699
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: of the game and challenge myself more and more and

700
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: more and basically maximize myself at every every step I

701
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: could because staying it like I think the Monterey County

702
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 1: area puts out one D one player probably every five

703
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: years or so. And then you know, I went to

704
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: even San Jose was a step up. Like the league

705
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: I played in San Jose pretty much each team had

706
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: at least zero to two Division one players and then

707
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: modern day obviously another step up. And then end up

708
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: at Brewster Academy playing with three NBA players on my team.

709
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: So it was like it was always, you know, seeking

710
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: out higher levels of competition just to bring the best

711
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: out of myself. And for my dad, he was just

712
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: willing already at every step of it. You know, not

713
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: not all kids had that. And and I now I

714
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: look back and I have a lot more perspective. It's

715
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: just super super grateful that he was able to afford

716
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: me the opportunities that he did. Yeah, it's a hard dad.

717
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: It's a hard thing kid, because my dad kind the

718
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: same thing where he would do anything, Hey, take it,

719
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: any work out. My dad's like, it's interesting, Um, we

720
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: lost a team from bakers and we had practice last

721
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: night and my son and we lost him like two

722
00:36:55,560 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: weeks ago. And my son was, he's like, how far

723
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: is Bakersfield? He put in the maps, He's like bands

724
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 1: they drove two hours and forty five minutes to play

725
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: to play in tim. I was like, how about this one?

726
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: When I was in high school? H JR. Henderson was

727
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: our AU teammate. Jr. Course, Uh, he's just got done

728
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: playing in Japan girls women's coach profession women's coach in Japan,

729
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: and Uh, he used to come to practice, and it

730
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: was like, I can't play him with unless he comes

731
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: to practice, you know. It's it's really interesting to me

732
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: that my dad used to drive like an hour and

733
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: a half and meet his dad an hour away, and

734
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: what his da would drive like an hour so they

735
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: could drop Jr. Off taking the practice, the drive him

736
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: back and his dad would I don't like wait there

737
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: or whatever. And just the sacrifice that Dad's make, And

738
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: I think what happens is like my only desire as

739
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: a dad is to give him every opportunity can, but

740
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: also for him to just like at some point go

741
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: like hey man, thanks, you know, and and and I

742
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 1: don't know if I did had enough to my dad,

743
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: but um, I think he does. He's he has a

744
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: pretty good perspective as a kid, and you have great perspective.

745
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: So for people who don't know, your dad was the

746
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: booking agent for Dave Matthews band, right, But it was

747
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: more than that, Like he didn't just like have them

748
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: hand delivered to him. He discovered them at like a

749
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 1: college bar, right, Yeah, I mean he was, I mean

750
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: it was I believe ninety four. He was m a

751
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: young agent, you know, just like a young hustler. In basketball,

752
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: young hustler and broadcasting, young hustle and anything. You know,

753
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: you gotta go make it happen if you want to

754
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: make happen, and it's not just gonna it's not gonna

755
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: fall in your lap. So there had been some buzz,

756
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: you know, the Dave Matthews Band, but like you know,

757
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: still playing bars and clubs at colleges, and you know,

758
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: they hadn't established themselves or anything. So it's kind of

759
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: like sort of the equivalent of you know, an agent, uh,

760
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 1: you know building. I guess that's like illegal, but because

761
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: basketball has so many rules, but you know, it's the

762
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,479
Speaker 1: agent equivalent to find a kid in seventh grade before

763
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: anyone knows they're gonna be a stud. And you know,

764
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: so what do you what do you tell you about it?

765
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: What did you tell you about I mean I was

766
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 1: two at the time, so I know, but he's told

767
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: the story because he told me this story. I mean, yeah,

768
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, that story. Yeah. So my mom, we

769
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: were living in California, but we're in New York over

770
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: over the New Year's I think, our holidays. And he

771
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: went to Winston Salem, North Carolina, saw Dave Matthews Band

772
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: at a bar called Ziggy's at Wake Forest and was like,

773
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: basically called my mom and was like, I think it

774
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: was New Year's was like, you know what, I need

775
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: to stay here one more night. This band has a

776
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: chance to change their life. Um, you know, this band

777
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: is incredible and they're gonna do huge things. And this

778
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: was before they had done anything. And now we're here

779
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: almost almost thirty years later, and like Dave Matthew is

780
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: still obviously the pandemic put a hitch in it, but

781
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: still rolling just as strong as ever in terms of

782
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: touring and had their their career has been one of

783
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: the one of the greatest. I would say, of modern music,

784
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: how are they to you? Whenever my dad would bring

785
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: me to the um the concerts, it was always well,

786
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: my like for anyone who knew my dad, he liked

787
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: to talk, so he would always talk about myself, my sister,

788
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 1: you know, so they always knew me before I knew

789
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: about what was going on with me, before I even

790
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: had had spoken with them. But the band, the band

791
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: was always great. David, you know, if I see him,

792
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: will always have a a brief conversation, you know, always

793
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: great people. And then uh, Carter Beauford the drummer really

794
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: really loves to chat um if you catch them at

795
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 1: a good time. So all you know, nothing but good

796
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: things to say about those guys today. Um Darius Rucker

797
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: is a good friend of mine. So they take a

798
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: gym beam shop before they go out on stage. It's

799
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: like they're tradition with today. Matthew's been traditioned to go out.

800
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I'm close enough in the inner surp.

801
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what it would be

802
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: like when when I would go to the shows, I

803
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 1: would uh be with my dad, but he would be working,

804
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: you know, so he'd always be busy, and the I

805
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 1: would say, Dave Matthew, they're pretty private. They're private guys.

806
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: So before the shows they're all just kind of in

807
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: there and their tour buses and just you know, laying low.

808
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 1: And then then they come out and rock the world

809
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: when they come out on stage. So hopefully we can

810
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: get back to that. This is making me think about concerts.

811
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,919
Speaker 1: Hopefully we can give Okay, so first concert, you're gonna

812
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 1: go to a show, and you don't have to say,

813
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: Dave Matthews, beans, Okay, you've been to a million? Yeah,

814
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: I mean, well, now my fiance she loves she loves

815
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 1: Dave Matthews, so um it it'd probably be Dave or scheduling.

816
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: It's so crazy, so whatever whatever. At this point, I

817
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: would say, I'm not picking because I want to get

818
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: out to a concert. Obviously safely, do it safely, but

819
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: I want to get out, so Dave would be great. Okay. Um,

820
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: the coolest venue you've been to to watch concert? Yeah, well, uh,

821
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: something that's super super cool. The Gorge is uh an

822
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: incredible venue in um kind of the middle of nowhere

823
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: and watching Washington State. But the because my dad was

824
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: in the music and three for so long, and the

825
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: same with Boke, everyone get to know everyone, and I

826
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: think he was really wide they respected by a lot

827
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,479
Speaker 1: of different people, and they after he passed. Um, Dave

828
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: Matthews plays the Gorge every pretty much every Labor Day

829
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: and they named a viewpoint out the gorgon the Chip

830
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: Cooper View and my sister and I this was two

831
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: thousand's labor we unveiled like this plaque a photo excuse me,

832
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: an engraving of my dad And because a lot of

833
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: people didn't know that my dad was a photographer, a

834
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 1: really um fine art photographer. And so there's a picture

835
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: of him with a his view uh fancy view camera

836
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: looking out on the view and it's pretty cool. So

837
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: by far, okay, better than Red Rocks. I've never been

838
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: to either. I haven't been to Red Rock, so I

839
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: so I it looks incredible and it's on my list,

840
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: but I can't include because I haven't been. Okay. Um,

841
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 1: Hollywood Bowles hollywod Goal was like, is really cool. I mean,

842
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 1: I understand it's not as as aesthetically and you know whatever,

843
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: but Hollywood Ball is pretty pretty dope. Santa Barbara Ball

844
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: also very cool. Um. Okay, So you're at a small

845
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: Christian school in San Jose and you decide to go

846
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 1: to Modern Day. So your dad's like, all right, gets

847
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: a place in Irvine. You go Moturday. You show up

848
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: with Moturday. You're a junior high school and I only

849
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 1: went there one year. Senior year Senior Senior high school

850
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: presenter team. The top players were Tyler Lamb, Kila King,

851
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: Gary Franklin, and Kate and Reinhart all Um high level.

852
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: You know, do you want players pack twell over or

853
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: equivalent levels? Now? Did you talk to them before you

854
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: showed up. Are you just like and here briefly I

855
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: knew them from playing on the a U circuit a

856
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 1: little bit, but I didn't know those guys well. Um

857
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: and Kila King also transferred in, so we, uh, we

858
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: kind of had to get chemistry put together quickly because

859
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: it was similar to a you you know, when you

860
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 1: slap a team together and you guys gotta figured out

861
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 1: rather than coming up you know, through ninth, tenth, eleven,

862
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: like all the way playing through with the same guys

863
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: in a more traditional sense, What was that like to

864
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: play Dereck Knights one more games than anybody in the

865
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: history of California basketball. You're playing with all these dudes

866
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 1: and now you're playing these like made up games and

867
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: you're everybody's biggest game. It was that like it was

868
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: like to that point, it was like the highest level

869
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 1: I had played at as different um but high school.

870
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: I had to feel like there's so much more pride

871
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: and winning and uh, you know, protecting the modern day

872
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: tradition and stuff like that. And you know, when you

873
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: walk in the modern day gym, there's championship, championship, championship banners,

874
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: you know everywhere, and uh, you know, you want to

875
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: do your part in creating your legacy, and I only

876
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: had one year to create my legacy there, so I

877
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 1: wanted to you know, leave leave a mark and also

878
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: just develop as a player. You know, every day you're

879
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: that was the bet to that point that that the

880
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: best group of players I got to practice with collectively

881
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: on a day in and day out basis, and I

882
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: love I love playing more than anything, you know, just competing.

883
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: So it was fun to just compete with those guys

884
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: every day. And like you said, moderation tradition, you come

885
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: in with a target on your back. So every game,

886
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: even if it was a team that wasn't that talented,

887
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: they're they're bringing everything they got at you. And UM,

888
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: we didn't get our state championship, you know, we lost

889
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,479
Speaker 1: in the semifinals, but I believe thirty two and two

890
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: UM had a great season. And uh, I had a

891
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: lot of fun doing it. You know, it was really

892
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: you try to pursue these goals and do everything ken,

893
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: but you want to look back have fun memories on

894
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: you know, I'm glad I had that experience. I'm grateful

895
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 1: for that experience. What let you go to Brewster UM?

896
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 1: I think Brewster kind of like the reason why I

897
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 1: wanted to do a fifth year was I was a

898
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: bit of a late bloomer. You know, I was skinny.

899
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I was always skin throughout my career, you know,

900
00:45:55,600 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: but uh, definitely a late bloomer. And I had grown. Um,

901
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: not that it was like Anthony Davis had grown to

902
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: six eleven, but you know, I had grown like three

903
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: inches between my sophomore and senior year. So I was

904
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: still growing into my body and still needed to do

905
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: some physical mature. And I had some options to go

906
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: to college, but I felt like going and doing an

907
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: extra year to just prepare more would have been beneficial.

908
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: And Jason Smith, similar to Night what he's done, hasn't

909
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: done in quite as long. Program at Brewster and wait,

910
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: a couple of options, it felt like being at Brewster

911
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: was the best fit, best challenge, m best opportunity for

912
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: me to keep pursuing my goals of playing at you know,

913
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: the highest level I could in college and then playing beyond. Okay,

914
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: So who was who is that Bruster Whinger there? Um? Well,

915
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: the guys who people might remember, Car Sampson currently on

916
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 1: the Pacers, Mitchey Gary first round draft pick to the Thunder.

917
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 1: Deante Burton played on the Thunder. So the three NBA

918
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: players and then um other guys who played pretty much

919
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: all high of guys, and then deer Tharper played in Kansas,

920
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: Marcus Kennedy who played at Villanova, and S m u

921
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: Eli Carter played a Florida and BC Deron Johnson who

922
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: played in Pittsburgh. Uh yeah, so so a ton of talent.

923
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: What was that? Where? Where is that? That's in New Hampshire, right, bro,

924
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 1: New Hampshire. Yeah, I can point it out on Matt. Finally,

925
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: what were I like? I mean, kind of like I

926
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: said earlier, you know, going to minor day. It was

927
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: the highest level I had played it then. Like a

928
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: good bruster stories, I showed up the first day we

929
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: had um orientation and it's funny because you're at a

930
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: school you gotta wear you have to wear coat and

931
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: tie every day. I don't think there anymore, but you

932
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: have to wear a coat and tie. So we got

933
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: all these tall basketball studs at a tiny boarding school

934
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,439
Speaker 1: in New Hampshire, and then a bunch of just other

935
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: normal students, you know, because there was a lot of

936
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: talent on that roster, and it was that was just

937
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 1: that was just every day you gotta compete because otherwise

938
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: it's just like you you're just left behind, you know.

939
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: And I think that type of environment is what raises kids.

940
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: Now now that I've you know, now that i'm uh,

941
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: you know, I have more perspective on it. Like I've

942
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: seen kids who go into that environment and some of

943
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: them fold because they don't have that competition, they don't

944
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: have a fire within to bring it every day. And

945
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: the ones who rise to the occasion and thrive in

946
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: those situations are the ones who you know, have long

947
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: term success typically. Mhm um okay, So why did you

948
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: go to Harvard? Uh? At that time? Uh, an opportunity

949
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: to attend to Harvard, tremendous honor, opportunity to be a

950
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 1: part of a basketball program that was on the up

951
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: and up, trending upwards. Um, it was just something I

952
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: didn't feel like I could turn down. I felt like

953
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 1: at the time, I trusted myself was the best opportunity.

954
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm able to say I got into Harvard.

955
00:48:56,080 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: You know, I have that on my resume, and uh, again, great,

956
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: great fun for all my experiences, you know, because that

957
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: was that was a unique one for sure. What was it?

958
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: Give me that? Give me one Harvard story like that

959
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,720
Speaker 1: you haven't told people about just going to school at Harvard.

960
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: Oh um, yeah, like just just the type of people

961
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: you're around, you know, like going from Brewster Academy or

962
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: modern day um, you know, just basketball. Some of the

963
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: basketball players aren't the harvest tools in the shed, you know.

964
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: But then you show up in you're in Harvard class

965
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: and like I don't remember what they asked, but like

966
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: someone asked the question. I didn't even understand the question,

967
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: you know, like the person asked much less the answer

968
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: that he was going to get. And it was it

969
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: was like one of my sociology classes or something like that.

970
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: Just just being around excellence in everything, um, academically and

971
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: then and then basketball was trending upwards, you know. It

972
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: was it was the first time the team that I

973
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: played on was the first time that Harvard made the tournament.

974
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: Harvard at the time. Um, that was the beginning of

975
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: a run of dominating in the IVY League. So it

976
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: was it was a part of being It was about

977
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: about being a part of greatness in terms of on

978
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: the court and off the court. Uh. One thing you

979
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: take away from playing for Tommie. His organization like super

980
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:25,879
Speaker 1: super practice is always super organized, regimented. Everything was UM

981
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,479
Speaker 1: very It was like my first exposure to high level

982
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: like UM coach who was super tied together and who

983
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: who was Because when you go from high school to college,

984
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: you know there's a scouting reports, there's just different, there's

985
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: you know, organized practice plan just different. Just it was

986
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: the highest level of organization I had been around and

987
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: professionalism as a coach. And I mean there's a reason

988
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: why he's had success. I don't even know how many

989
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 1: years he's been there, probably ten plus now, um, and

990
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: he's been super super successful. So uh, it was my

991
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: first time being exposed to that. Learned a lot from

992
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: that too. Okay, So I had to leave ce Jr. Parents.

993
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 1: You know, I'm chasing his best dream. I want to leave,

994
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: like you got the greatest academic school in the United States,

995
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: maybe the best in the world. You say, I want

996
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 1: to go to St. John's because car Sampson's there and

997
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 1: I know some guys and they need a shooter. Right,

998
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: How did that conversation go? Go? At? At home? As always,

999
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: my dad was a percent behind me. You know, he

1000
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 1: wanted me to pursue my basketball dream as best I could,

1001
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: and I think he I think he always knew that,

1002
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 1: like I would end up in a role that I'm

1003
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: in now, you know that I would I would be

1004
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: in coaching. That basketball was my dream and my passion,

1005
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: and I wish I could have been able to, you know,

1006
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: feel comfortable about geting getting like staying at Harvard, just

1007
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: weather that storm. And you know, um, but I think

1008
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: at the time you make decisions, you trust yourself and

1009
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: you look, you live with the results. And so, UM,

1010
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: I was gonna go for it. I was gonna pursue

1011
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: it as best I could. I was gonna shoot for

1012
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: the stars and give it everything I had. So going

1013
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,439
Speaker 1: to say Johnson was just I felt like I could

1014
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: compete at that level. I felt like I feel the

1015
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: need that that team needed. And you know, I was

1016
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: took on that challenge, spent two years there and pretty

1017
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 1: much gave it everything I had and left it all

1018
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: out there. And UM, if I wasn't going to be

1019
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: good enough, you know, I was just gonna have to

1020
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: live with that. Um. You mentioned regimented lab runs a

1021
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: little different little, a little different ship in comparison to Tommy.

1022
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,439
Speaker 1: What is that like though, to go from a guy,

1023
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: you know, Tommy's putting up everything to lab which is

1024
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: you know, uh, and that's that's not he's he's much

1025
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: more relaxed. And then the type of guys you're around

1026
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,760
Speaker 1: are very very different. Right, It's much more like Brewster

1027
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: than it is like like Harvard. What was that change? Yeah,

1028
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: I mean it was I feel like I love that

1029
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: environment because those practices it was we would do. We

1030
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: would do some drills, some breakdown drills, but it was

1031
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,439
Speaker 1: really just a war every day. It was just kind

1032
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: of you know, roll the balls out, let's hoop, let's

1033
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: scrimmage three on three, two on two, UM, and then

1034
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: let's let's put in a couple of actions and let's

1035
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 1: just run it up and down. So those I mean,

1036
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 1: that was competing with guys like jas Car Sampson, down Pointer,

1037
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: d'An angelo, Harrison, Phil Green, a lot of guys who

1038
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,399
Speaker 1: still play, who still played professionally. Ja Carr, Sampson still

1039
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: in the NBA, down pointed, knocking on the NBA. I

1040
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: think you got a ten day last year, knocking on

1041
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:29,280
Speaker 1: the NBA door. Harrison playing overseas, Phil Green still plays overseas,

1042
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: So I mean high level athletes and just that was

1043
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: just about It was a blood bath pretty much every

1044
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: day in practice. Like you, if you didn't bring it there,

1045
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: you were you were going to get embarrassed because extremely athletic,

1046
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: aggressive players who needed to refine their skill sets but

1047
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: had the raw athleticism and played hard and it played

1048
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 1: with intensity every day. Again, it was a new environment

1049
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: for me, similar to Brewster Academy. But when you're in college,

1050
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: you know, all hell, but excludes a little bit, you

1051
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 1: know how school is a little bit more safer environment.

1052
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: You know, college is a little more cut through. So

1053
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 1: then we go to school in New York or Boston. Well,

1054
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,879
Speaker 1: both are great city. I live in Boston now, so

1055
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: I love Boston. But both schools are great. The only

1056
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: problem about St. John's You're still a little isolated from Manhattan.

1057
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 1: Obviously it would be cool to be in Manhattan, but

1058
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:22,959
Speaker 1: you you only end up going there so often because

1059
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 1: you're so busy as it as a student athlete. But

1060
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 1: both are great. Harvard's lot closer to Boston's. I'll say, Boston, okay,

1061
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: um two years and then you're like, all right, now

1062
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: I got my degree, I want to go through and

1063
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: you went to Oakland and they had actually recruited your

1064
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 1: originally at a at a Brewster at translator at the time, Right,

1065
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: So what was it like to go from you barely

1066
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: didn't really play at Harvard, you play some at St.

1067
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: John's to now like kind of a guy at at

1068
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: at Oakland. How long did it take for you to

1069
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: kind of get your sea legs and feel like okay

1070
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 1: because you'd practice against all these guys who playing in

1071
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: games is completely different. But what was what was that

1072
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 1: first year? Like? The first year was up and down,

1073
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: and you know, I put I had huge expectations for

1074
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 1: myself because I was like, man, I'm finally gonna get

1075
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: the opportunity, you know, I'm finally playing in with a

1076
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: coach who kind of fosters what I do and encourages

1077
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: me to do what I do. And it was up

1078
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: and down. A bit disappointed, you know, just because it

1079
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: was up and down and uh, I couldn't quite get

1080
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: my footing. I'd have a great game and then you know,

1081
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: disappear for a couple of games. So it was that

1082
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: was part of my growth as a player, you know,

1083
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: figuring it out. And every year up until Harvard I

1084
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: had played basketball. You know, I was part of the rotation.

1085
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: I always played, you know, it was playing time. Was

1086
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 1: never really thought, you know, may to day. I started

1087
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: every game high School, started every game. Brewster came off

1088
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: the bench, but played, and you know, played a lot

1089
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: of minutes in every game Harvard all of a sudden,

1090
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: no minutes, so a lot. I think a lot of

1091
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: kids go through that too when they, you know, early

1092
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: in their career. You know, you kind of unless you're

1093
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,240
Speaker 1: number one, if you're one and done, or if you're

1094
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: playing on a horrible team. That's pretty much the only

1095
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: way freshman play typically, um, in college, and it was

1096
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: a freshman and sophomore, so it was it was an

1097
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 1: adjustment for me. But then I was thrown into the

1098
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:17,399
Speaker 1: fire and kind of learned trial by error. And then

1099
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,280
Speaker 1: finally like after that junior year, I was I felt

1100
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 1: like I was, you know, pretty much ready to roll

1101
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: for my senior year. Okay, so, um, you had this

1102
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: unbelievable uh stat right of when you played of not

1103
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: taking two point shots? Right you took here, you didn't

1104
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: take one your senior not one? Well you shot twenty six.

1105
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 1: You act like that you've got all these You've got

1106
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: clipped on all you get, but you made Do you

1107
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,879
Speaker 1: remember the free though that you missed? It was early.

1108
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:51,919
Speaker 1: I was mad, man, I got fouled on the three

1109
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: and I've made two or three. I think I just

1110
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 1: I should have made it all. You know. Christian, Yeah,

1111
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: I believe Mistian. That's the misgrate to Abilene Abilene Christian

1112
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 1: in the tournament earlier year. Uh that, um, you did?

1113
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: Like when you're in Oakland, you guys used to play

1114
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: everybody right, Like I remember you played I'm looking now

1115
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: you played Mischian State in Washington, Virginya. Um, was there

1116
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: a moment where you're like, okay, I made it right,

1117
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: Like you're the biggiest you played big boys whatever, but

1118
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: now you're actually playing big minutes six minutes game. Was

1119
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: it Was it different when you played against Michigan State

1120
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: having been through all your travels, Yeah, it was. It

1121
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: was it was like my seat. Once I got to

1122
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: my senior year and you know, we haven't even touched

1123
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: on it, but like my dad was sick. You know,

1124
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: it was like this, this is what I had worked for,

1125
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 1: Like I just wanted to play, and then I'm at

1126
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: Oakland University. The coaches screaming out players to get me

1127
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: the ball, you know, like the system was, it was

1128
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: set up for me to be to be successful as

1129
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: a shooter. And I mean recruiting tactics like if you

1130
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: if you if you're not being recruited to the highest

1131
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: level of college and you're at three point shooter, like,

1132
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: I don't know why you wouldn't consider Oakland, you know

1133
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's it's what he does. He wants

1134
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: his shooters to get shots. The offense is designed for

1135
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: his shooters gets It's a set up, you know what

1136
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: I mean. It's a set up if you're a shooter, Like,

1137
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: it doesn't it's not by accident that Travis Bater shot

1138
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: three hundred sixty three. It's not by accident that actually,

1139
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: it's not by accident that Kendrick Nunn average twelve three

1140
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: point attempts. Like it's designed. And so I mean, for me,

1141
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: it was what I had worked for and it was

1142
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: like the perfect marriage a coach who believed in what

1143
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: I did. I had Kay Felder on my team, kid

1144
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: who's trying to not only lead the country in scoring,

1145
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: but leave the country and assists too. So he's trying

1146
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: to get people involved I had Jalen Hayes with me,

1147
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: who was an All League big man, setting me great screens,

1148
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: and it was just kind of like a basically a

1149
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: set up for me to be the best shooter I

1150
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 1: could bet in and but not just because it was

1151
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: a cool thing to do, but because that that would

1152
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: help us win games. And it's it's it's the thing

1153
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: about being a fit, right like you just it's got

1154
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: to be a fit. And if you go somewhere it's

1155
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: not a fit, you got to find somewhere that that is.

1156
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: It's kind of the story people's lives. When did you

1157
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: find out your dad's say, Well, my I found out

1158
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: my dad was sick. Um he had cancer in October

1159
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: two eleven, so freshman year of Harvard. Um. He gave

1160
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: me a call and let me know that he had

1161
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: cancer and that the prognosis wasn't wasn't very good. Um.

1162
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: So that was you know, we've talked about on here

1163
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: on here, Um, you know, you've kind of talked about

1164
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: how important my dad was to me. It was. It was,

1165
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: you know, it was earth shattering for me and transformative,

1166
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: just kind of changed my perspective on everything. So I

1167
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: guess the question becomes though he's sick. Is he is

1168
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: he in California? Because then I know he had a

1169
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: place in Manhattan. I'm just wondering, was it ever like, dude,

1170
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: I gotta go be close to him? When No, I

1171
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: think it was always our basketball journey, Like pursue basketball

1172
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 1: like that was always my answer, you know. Um, he

1173
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 1: was traveling a lot, and then once I got to St. John's,

1174
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 1: he was living part time in Manhattan, so we saw

1175
00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 1: each other a ton then. Um, but it was is

1176
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: pedal to the medal because I knew that that's what

1177
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: he wanted me to do. I knew that he wanted

1178
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: me to pursue that, and that was my outlet. You know,

1179
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,919
Speaker 1: that was my sanctuary really. I mean any athlete knows,

1180
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 1: you know that that's that sacred sanctuary where you kind

1181
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: of escape from the world and from your struggles. And

1182
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: but I also knew that doing well in basketball and

1183
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: pursuing it his heart it could was making him proud. Um,

1184
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 1: So I think that was always my answer when when

1185
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: I was dealing, like whenever I was going through hard

1186
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: times or whatever, in terms of seeing him struggle. Um,

1187
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 1: your senior year, there was the moment your senior in

1188
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: that game when he was there almost two days twenty six.

1189
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: It was two days five years ago to the day,

1190
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 1: almost right, So it'll be when we will drop this

1191
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: on that day. Okay, So what do you remember? That

1192
01:00:55,840 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: was a whirl when we're um number one the game important.

1193
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: Needed to win that game because that would if we won,

1194
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: it would clinch us by in the Horizon League tournament.

1195
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: So number one games, big deal. We're playing our rival

1196
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 1: to Detroit University and troitter playing Arrival senior night. The

1197
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: team is we were a good team, you know, we

1198
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: were one of the top teams in the conference. It

1199
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: was so kind of a lot of steak. And then

1200
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:24,959
Speaker 1: the night before he called me and uh actually woke

1201
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: me up. We would stay in a hotel the night before,

1202
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: even home games, we would stay in the night before,

1203
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: and he woke me up in the hotel let me

1204
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 1: know that I would uh that he would be there.

1205
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: I was. I was like a little foggy or whatever,

1206
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: just because I had just woken up. And then like

1207
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: once I like hung up the phone, I was like shit,

1208
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: He's like he's gonna be there, And I was like

1209
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 1: super fired up. Um, but still try to you know,

1210
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: stay calm, keep you know, do my routine. Uh, and

1211
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: you know, just because I wanted to play well, I

1212
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 1: was excited to see him. And then we win the game.

1213
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: I played pretty well, and uh it was senior actually

1214
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 1: give a little speech. There's a little ceremony, and then

1215
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: ESPN caught it where after the game, I just skipped

1216
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 1: the handshake lines and I run up into the crowd

1217
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: and then uh, he was in actually in a hospital

1218
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: bed in the in the stands, and it was like

1219
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: an indescribable moment. And I'm fortunate enough that you know,

1220
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 1: there's cameras on it that captured it, and so I

1221
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 1: can always look back at it and just have great

1222
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 1: memories from special night, you know, special night, once in

1223
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: a lifetime type of opportunity. Um, what were the and

1224
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 1: I apologize to its two personally, what were your last conversations? Like, uh, yeah,

1225
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 1: I mean at the time, you don't know it's gonna

1226
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: be the last conversations. So he passed eight days later. Um,

1227
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: but at the time we just honestly, honestly, you know,

1228
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 1: he told me, he said, he said, like and it

1229
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 1: was me Kay Felder, and I think Sean Dorsey Walker. Um,

1230
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: he said he said, Hey, when when I get this

1231
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: taken care of, when I'm all better, I'll just come

1232
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: back in the summer. I'll take you guys how to eat.

1233
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: That'll be cool, right, And like he was just like

1234
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: he was just like I mean, he was like had

1235
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: such a fighting spirit and he was really not in

1236
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: a good place health wise. You know, he was really

1237
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: really struggling. But did you know how bad it was?

1238
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know. Like obviously I knew he was. He

1239
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 1: was not doing well at all. I knew he had

1240
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 1: had a story. I mean he was, he was bedroom,

1241
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 1: but I didn't know it was. I didn't know he's

1242
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 1: gonna pass in a week. You know, I thought I

1243
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 1: had it. I hope I had a year. I hope

1244
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 1: I had six months or something like that. You know. Um,

1245
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: but like yeah, he told like he was just Our

1246
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 1: conversations were just like they always were basically, like whenever

1247
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 1: we would talk on the phone, he'd be like, you know,

1248
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 1: how do you play? It was always about basketball. It

1249
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 1: was always about like, um, staying positive and like he's

1250
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: like like his first question when I count, so so

1251
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 1: did we clinch left the we curns to buy? Like

1252
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 1: when's the tournament. You know, we need to kick these

1253
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: motherfucker's asses. Like that was that was how you just

1254
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:03,479
Speaker 1: talking to me? Um? And then uh, you know, just

1255
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: I don't even remember exactly what the quote unquote last

1256
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 1: words were, but just like you know, just I love

1257
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:11,479
Speaker 1: you and like I believe in you. Just keep going.

1258
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't it was nothing. He was just

1259
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 1: his normal his normal self. You know, he was just

1260
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: chipped Um, unbreakable fighter spirit is all. Like that's the

1261
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 1: that's the way I can remember, you know, just like

1262
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 1: unbreakable and unfasable pretty much? Is Oakland? You're Alma Monitor, Like,

1263
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 1: here's my question with guys that are two times transfers,

1264
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 1: like do you have a home, Like, oh, that's that's

1265
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 1: where I went to school. Yeah, I claim Oakland for sure.

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01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: I had. I had a great opportunity and a great

1267
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: experience there. You know, my senior year was a great experience.

1268
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 1: Keep in touch with coach Campy, keep in touch with

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01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 1: my teammates mostly from there, so that I definitely claim Oakland.

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Speaker 1: I would say, what was your experience like brief, you

1271
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 1: know it was brief, but exposure to pro basketball and

1272
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 1: you know, exposure to the cutthroat nature. You know, if

1273
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: if you don't play well and you don't show what

1274
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 1: you need to show pretty much right away, you know,

1275
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: you can be cut. And uh, another step step up

1276
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 1: for me. And I was in the league first round

1277
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 1: draft pick and lasted just a couple of games with

1278
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: the team and got cut, but then later in the

1279
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 1: season got brought back to the team. So just the

1280
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 1: the way that the game is, the rosters and everything

1281
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 1: is so influx, everything is changing, and it gives me

1282
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 1: an appreciation for some of these guys who make it,

1283
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 1: not as the first round graft pick and you know

1284
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: who who have the perseverance, Like it takes a lot

1285
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 1: of resilience to really get it done, especially at the

1286
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 1: highest of levels, um, in terms of how good you

1287
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: gotta be and how consistent you gotta be And then

1288
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 1: all right, you did that, Now what can you do

1289
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: for me? Now? It's always you know, it's always about

1290
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 1: the presidents and no one cares what you've done in

1291
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: the past. Can you continue to do that at a

1292
01:05:55,640 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 1: high level? And being exposed to that it like, I

1293
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 1: think it helps my perspective now as a coach, especially

1294
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:08,919
Speaker 1: coaching professionals, UM, just understanding the grind and the expectations

1295
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 1: that go into it. Uh, if you were to there,

1296
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 1: there's kids all over. You know, I do think shooting

1297
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 1: is better now than it was when I was a kid,

1298
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: or maybe when you were a kid. Step three, Steph

1299
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 1: Curry told me, he's like, look, one of the reasons,

1300
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 1: I've never been on a basketball court that didn't have

1301
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: a three point line. So and it just you know,

1302
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 1: kids shooting more. But like your routine, when you had

1303
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 1: your shooting routine, how many shots for example, how many

1304
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 1: shots did you shoot it to day? Well, when I

1305
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 1: was coming up in high school and early in college,

1306
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 1: I would I would get on the shooting machine. I

1307
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 1: would aim to make five threes every day. Um, what

1308
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 1: I kind of had to learn was it wasn't about

1309
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: just drilling shots in one place, because like, like we've

1310
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 1: talked about the game and so like you know, it's

1311
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 1: it's dynamic, you know, like you said, Joe Harry can't

1312
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 1: just stand in the corner and make threes. It's he's

1313
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 1: making threes with probably doing off the dribble or moving

1314
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 1: into him, and guys are contesting it. So for me,

1315
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: I was the gym at who always shot and shot

1316
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 1: and shot and shot. But then all right, how do

1317
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: I apply this, Like how do I become an assassin

1318
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 1: in the game? And then that was number one, doing

1319
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 1: shooting drills on the move, sprinting in the shots, footwork,

1320
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 1: you know, making sure my turns are right and everything

1321
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 1: different angles. And then it's just going out and playing um,

1322
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: playing ball but playing freely, maybe maybe playing a little

1323
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:33,439
Speaker 1: bit more loose than you would play in the normal game,

1324
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: and pushing that envelope in terms of how can I

1325
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 1: get my shot off? You know? And that was a

1326
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 1: big thing to help me at St. John's was being

1327
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 1: able to get shots off against high level athletes. You know,

1328
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 1: I wasn't the most the quicker, dying have the quickest feet,

1329
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 1: you know, so I had to be smart and had

1330
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 1: to be precise and you know, learn to use my

1331
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 1: footwork to get my shot off. So getting my shot

1332
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 1: off that was a bigger challenge. I knew once I

1333
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 1: got him off, I can make him I just had

1334
01:07:56,440 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 1: to consistently be able to get him off. Um. And

1335
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 1: then the what about the mentality, because like you're going

1336
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 1: to go through guys, go through with you camic shot,

1337
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 1: how do you how do you fight through that confidence

1338
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 1: was Yeah, the mental I think honestly, I think early

1339
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 1: in my career I was like a mental midget, you

1340
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like I would miss one and

1341
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 1: just get tightened up um and confidence would be lacking.

1342
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 1: But I think when things clicked for me and what

1343
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 1: led to my senior year was truly just caring less,

1344
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, just like I missed, didn't I didn't care,

1345
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like I was. Honestly, what

1346
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 1: really made a click for me was like, hey, man,

1347
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 1: my dad is sick with cancer. I got one more

1348
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 1: year left to college. I don't have ship to lose,

1349
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:48,640
Speaker 1: Like if I miss by air ball, I'm doing what

1350
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 1: I do. You know I have, I have nothing to lose,

1351
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 1: and kind of when when your back is against the wall,

1352
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 1: you you know, you some people rise to the occasion.

1353
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 1: And I think that's when that mentality clicked in place

1354
01:08:57,160 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 1: for me, like, hey, just just trust yourself and do

1355
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:03,639
Speaker 1: what you do, like offensively, you can't think too much.

1356
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 1: You gotta react and just flow. And once I really

1357
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 1: tapped into that and basically the fucking mentality of being

1358
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 1: able to you know, shoot those shots and and if

1359
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:17,719
Speaker 1: you miss, okay, everyone misses, Like you said, Steph Curry

1360
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 1: misses more often than he makes, Like, I mean, that's

1361
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 1: what it was all about for me, is getting that

1362
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 1: mentality of click into place. But it's easier said than done,

1363
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 1: a lot easier said than done. No, no question, no question.

1364
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 1: And I think the smarter you are, the more your

1365
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:37,639
Speaker 1: brain challenges you. You think. I think was I hated

1366
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 1: to come out of games, and I felt like it

1367
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 1: was the only thing that would keep me out of

1368
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 1: take me out of games. So I'd miss a shot,

1369
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 1: I'd miss it, and it would just get my head

1370
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 1: like I can shoot up. I just was showing my

1371
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 1: own head about every different shot and it's something that

1372
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 1: I've really worked on with my own son, just like

1373
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 1: you know, we've got to be processed. That result, right,

1374
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 1: was a good shot gave. He said, you have a hand, right,

1375
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 1: Did you feel like it was gonna go in? Then

1376
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 1: you know, like you're not, You're not gonna make every shot.

1377
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 1: He goes on the floor for the first time last week.

1378
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 1: I was like standing up and like, this is the

1379
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 1: first time it's soft Newport Beach kid, and he got

1380
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:22,640
Speaker 1: your little grind right, uh. Ultimate goal head coach in

1381
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 1: the NBA front office head coach. You know, I'm it's

1382
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 1: a path obviously, but I'm I'm on the I'm on

1383
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 1: un wrung one of the ladder, you know, but I'm

1384
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:40,679
Speaker 1: I'm like my whole life, dude. I mean, vocal video guy,

1385
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:44,600
Speaker 1: Sposter video guy. They were in the NBA finals, right, Like,

1386
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:47,680
Speaker 1: it's it's that's the path. Yeah, I mean, it's not.

1387
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 1: It's not unattainable, you know, and I believe. I mean,

1388
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 1: I like when I'm up till three am, like I'm like,

1389
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 1: I'll be I'll be up late tonight working on the

1390
01:10:57,080 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 1: Phoenix game. Like I'm I'm doing it with long term

1391
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 1: developing in men in mind. You know, I'm not just

1392
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:06,680
Speaker 1: going through the motions like I really want to. You know,

1393
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:08,760
Speaker 1: I eat, sleep and breathe this stuff, and I really

1394
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 1: really want to do it. You know, I want to

1395
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 1: be a head coach. College head coach would be great

1396
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 1: as well. You know, you learned so much in the NBA.

1397
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 1: College head coach would be great. Recruiting is a different thing,

1398
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 1: but I mean for me, like this is where my

1399
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 1: passion lies and I don't see anything else that I

1400
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 1: would want to do. I feel like this is, um,

1401
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 1: this is what I want to pour myself into And

1402
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 1: always it was pouring myself into being playing in the NBA,

1403
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 1: and now it's like, hey, just splip that switch, and

1404
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 1: now it's just pour all that passion and drive into being, uh,

1405
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 1: being the best coach I can be. It's pretty amazing.

1406
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 1: Like here's where we're similar. Like, you know, so much

1407
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:43,680
Speaker 1: of our lives are spent in a in a car

1408
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 1: with our dads going to a basketball game and then

1409
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:49,840
Speaker 1: kind of supporting us. And like basketball has provided me

1410
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 1: this incredible lifestyle, right life, and it's started going to

1411
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:55,599
Speaker 1: do the same for you. And there's I think there's

1412
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 1: thousands of us around the country. They're like that, right

1413
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 1: which all you want to it was help your kid

1414
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 1: achieved his dream. And all the kid wants to do

1415
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,879
Speaker 1: is have the dad. It helps them and and it's

1416
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 1: it's pretty amazing to see. I mean, I'm sure dad

1417
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:09,679
Speaker 1: is so proud of you right now, probably more proud

1418
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 1: of you than he was when you're hooping an oak,

1419
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 1: when you when you kick his motherfucker's asses. Like how

1420
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,599
Speaker 1: many threes? That was always the question, how many threes

1421
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 1: to make? The most humane game I ever was wearing?

1422
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 1: Was what high school eleven um. And in college I

1423
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:34,599
Speaker 1: had nine in a game. It was against Green Bay.

1424
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 1: It was actually a road trip. I went nine for

1425
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 1: you know, seven for ten and nine for fourteen and

1426
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 1: back to back games. Um that was like those are

1427
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 1: like my two blow up games. And so that's sixteen

1428
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 1: made threes and two games. Kate Felder assisted fifteen of them.

1429
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 1: And and the one he didn't he was fouled out

1430
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:53,559
Speaker 1: and I had to take it off the dribble one

1431
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 1: so no one assisted it. So he and I we

1432
01:12:56,840 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 1: had some good synergy. I I owe him a lot. Yeah,

1433
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 1: that's well. And and and Greg Campy, you know, the

1434
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 1: master of the sweater, A big, big sweater, a big

1435
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 1: sweater guy upper echelon sweater game unreal, Yeah, I just

1436
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 1: it's the same sweater all the time. Are they different sweaters?

1437
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 1: They look the same different But yeah, if anyone hasn't

1438
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 1: seen it, google Greg Campy Christmas ugly Christmas sweater. He

1439
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 1: had the one with the reindeer that came out the

1440
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 1: chest and out of his back. So that was that's

1441
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 1: that's big time. But the glamours of the video room,

1442
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:35,599
Speaker 1: people ask all the time, like, well, video room, it's

1443
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 1: all you gotta do to get into the NBA. Um

1444
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 1: your life is how many? How much? How much basketball

1445
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 1: do you watch during it? I mean it's it depends

1446
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 1: on when you're prepping for a game, but like, uh,

1447
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 1: there's it's pretty much this video. You're always doing something because,

1448
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 1: like I said, it's five games, so you don't scout.

1449
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 1: I don't scout every single team, but I scout every

1450
01:13:56,400 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 1: one every two to three games. And so Portland plays

1451
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 1: the last game at that five. We played Portland's on Friday,

1452
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 1: so I'll be finishing my Portland report today and then

1453
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 1: we play Phoenix next week. And I'm so I'm already

1454
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 1: on game three of Phoenix, So like you're you're currently

1455
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:13,639
Speaker 1: working on those teams and you're digging deep into those

1456
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 1: So I mean, like you said, don't you just have

1457
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 1: to break down the games? It's like, I mean, yeah,

1458
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 1: but I don't know if everyone would be willing to,

1459
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:24,720
Speaker 1: Like tonight, I'm probably gonna be uptil two or three

1460
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:26,599
Speaker 1: am breaking down the Phoenix game because it's a West

1461
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 1: Coast game. So I'm not sure that everyone's gonna be

1462
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 1: willing to do that every single night, you know. So

1463
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,640
Speaker 1: you got but Ryan Plush, you know, you make a

1464
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 1: couple hundred dollars doing it, so you know, close to

1465
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 1: a million dollars doing it, right, I wish, I wish

1466
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 1: it's it's the starting level, you know, it's the entry

1467
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:46,680
Speaker 1: level positions, it's the barrier to entry. You know, you

1468
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 1: gotta get in to do it. So last last thing, Um,

1469
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 1: if if you were just to seventeen year old Max,

1470
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 1: you were, ay, have him one piece of advice would

1471
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 1: a big oh all right? I would say like just

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Speaker 1: like if you have one direction you want to go,

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01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 1: and like trust it, you know, like don't second guess.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think I did that, but I think

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Speaker 1: it would say trust it and kind of I guess

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01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 1: the saying that everyone everyone likes to say it now

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01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:25,720
Speaker 1: is like bet on yourself. Um, but it's real, you know,

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Speaker 1: like if you like people. There was there was definitely

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Speaker 1: some backlash or negativity just oh, you know, why do

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Speaker 1: you want to leave Harvard or why do you want

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01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 1: to leave St. John's? And it was just like I

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01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 1: would just trusting myself, you know, I felt like that

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01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 1: was the right move for me, and I, um, I

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01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 1: didn't need to appease anyone, you know, I was doing

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Speaker 1: what I felt it was this. But I also think

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Speaker 1: that what you discovered in Oakland is a big key,

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Speaker 1: which is like we all worry about levels of school

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01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 1: and and and and prestige of school, which I do

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01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:57,640
Speaker 1: think is important. Like you know, like, look, if you

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01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 1: had a heart degree right now, like and not doesn't suck.

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01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 1: It's not a bad decision. Um, But go somewhere you're

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Speaker 1: gonna play, right if you're a bass Now, if you're

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01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 1: a basting player, it's okay. Go somewhere. You're gonna get

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01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:13,719
Speaker 1: a great degree. You're gonna have a good time, have fun, fun,

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01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:15,599
Speaker 1: right if you're gonna But if you're gonna if you're

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Speaker 1: a hooper, right, if you're I always have shoes in

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Speaker 1: a ball in my car. I just want to I

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Speaker 1: love playing basketball. You're really hooper, Go somewhere you're gonna play,

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Speaker 1: because you're not going to be happy if you're not playing.

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Speaker 1: And go somewhere where somebody like you, like you with

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01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 1: Travis Bader, right, somebody who plays like you has had

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01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 1: success because you know, I can't tell you how many

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01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 1: times guys I was recruited by that, Like I give

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Speaker 1: one so Kevin O'Neill recruited me to Tennessee and Lawrence

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01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 1: Frank was his assistant, and as I transfer from Notre

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01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 1: Dame and they had just gotten the job, and they

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01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 1: literally would just carpet bomb you with letters every day

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01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 1: and over forget. We want to play fast and get

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01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 1: athletes and go up and down, and then forget, Like

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Speaker 1: I click on the game to playing Kentucky and they

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01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 1: got like fourteen at the half, you know, and they're

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Speaker 1: holding the ball. Now they had to at that point

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Speaker 1: in time because they didn't have dudes. But it's more

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Speaker 1: the idea of like, yeah, I don't that's not me. Um.

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Speaker 1: Whereas when I went to Oklahoma State, granted I was

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Speaker 1: much more athletic and not as good a shooter Sean Sutton,

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Speaker 1: but I had seen him have different point guards kind

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Speaker 1: of like me have success. And part of it was

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Speaker 1: I had to see it. I had to see their

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01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 1: team to go like, oh, if you move this guy

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Speaker 1: to the two and this guy to three and the

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Speaker 1: Desert Mason from the three to the four, like oh,

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01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 1: now a sudden, we got a team and I can

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01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:33,880
Speaker 1: dime them up, like we can go. But I do

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Speaker 1: think that it's trusting your basketball instincts going somewhere you

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01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 1: can play is you know, and and that's when you

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01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 1: can bet on yourself. Then yourself at a place where

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01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 1: you feel like you can get the opportunity. And if

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01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 1: you get the opportunity, you're not any good, Like all right, well,

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01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 1: let you figure out what's next. But sitting over there

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01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:53,640
Speaker 1: wanting that opportunity just sucks. That's that's a that's a

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01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 1: hard feeling. Yeah, And I think I think there's there's

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Speaker 1: two ways you can play it, because you can use

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Speaker 1: basketball as a vehicle. Know, let's say you want to

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Speaker 1: go to X y Z school and basketball helps you

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01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 1: get in, and your basketball experience is what it is.

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Speaker 1: But you have a great experence, you live in a

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Speaker 1: city you love, you get a great degree, you build

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Speaker 1: a network, you know, alumni network. So I mean that

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Speaker 1: can be your motivation. But like you said, if you're

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Speaker 1: the dude with the ball and then shoes in the

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01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 1: trunk and you know you want to give you give

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01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 1: your best best shot of being a pro, and you

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01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 1: know making basketball you're your existence more or less, um,

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01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 1: then you gotta go where where the shoe fits. You know,

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Speaker 1: you even if you're I see that on the coaching side,

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Speaker 1: like and I start to think about, hey, how would

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Speaker 1: I utilize this guy, or like what actions with this

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01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 1: guy you know look good off of? Or what how

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01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 1: can we use this guy defensively? And because you're trying

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Speaker 1: to maximize each player and in turn used that to

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Speaker 1: maximize the team. So like Kay Felder, if Kay Felder

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Speaker 1: would squeaked out of scholarship to Michigan State, what do

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Speaker 1: you have done what he did at Oakland? Of course not,

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01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, he would have been behind

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Speaker 1: guys you know, in the road. Patient Insteady goes to Oakland,

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Speaker 1: plays thirty six minutes of game as a freshman, place

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Speaker 1: thirty nine minutes a game as a sophomore, grows and

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01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 1: develops and it is an NBA drafting, you know, so

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01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:12,839
Speaker 1: like is it is really the only thing that matters?

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01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:16,599
Speaker 1: Got of um because you gotta have a coach where

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Speaker 1: as your back and who's gonna put you in the

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Speaker 1: spots to succeed? Great stuff, man, listen, good to catch

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Speaker 1: up value well, and I've been too long, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's always a pleasure. I know I'll be I will

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Speaker 1: be in Boston this summer, whether you're there, And if

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Speaker 1: you're in l A. I know you have tons of

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01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: friends here too, But we gotta we gotta hang and

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01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:36,519
Speaker 1: I gotta get my little guy. I gotta get a

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Speaker 1: little shooting lesson. I love that fun keeping his progress.

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Speaker 1: I definitely will that. I thanks for joining me, appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't that great? Wasn't that interesting? Right? Like we talked

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Speaker 1: to NBA stuff, then we talked about his life and

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01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 1: about fit oh man, that was that was awesome stuff. Reminder,

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Speaker 1: if you like, uh my way of doing things, you

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01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:01,680
Speaker 1: can listen to The Doug Gotlip Show three to six

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Speaker 1: eastern twelve three Pacific on Fox Sports Trader, the I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio app. You can also send me a tweet

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01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 1: at Gottlieb Show anything you'd like me to get into

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Speaker 1: or comment on All Ball. Remember to subscribe rate review

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Speaker 1: writer review That would be awesome. In the meantime, thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for listening. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is All Ball.