WEBVTT - Screen Time: V For Vendetta 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:07.880 Welcome back to Popcorn Book Club. This week we are 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:11.319 going in for some screen time talking the V four 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:16.680 Vendetta film adaptation from two thousand five, directed by James McTeague, 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:19.479 written by the Wachowski sisters and also a sort of 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:21.040 people and they know. I think it was sort of 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:24.159 shadow directed by the Wachowski sisters because it has some 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:26.400 of their sort of like visual flares and they were 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:31.160 like Unit two directors. But all that to say, vitam 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:34.479 movie starry Natalie Portman and Hugo Weaving s V and 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:37.080 I'll go on the record as saying it's my most 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:41.280 basic opinion, but I really like this movie. I also 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:43.839 like it. I will say though, since I've seen this 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:48.080 movie many times, including once a couple of months ago. Uh, 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:52.479 I think that after reading it, after reading the graphic novel, 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:55.040 it definitely shifted my perspective of it in terms of 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:57.360 looking at it as not just a movie that I like, 0:00:57.520 --> 0:00:59.960 but also as an adaptation. And one of the things 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:02.639 that comes in very early on is the idea of 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:06.960 like romance. And in that very first opening scene where 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:10.480 we see Guy Fox being hanged, Uh, there's the like, 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:13.280 but what of the man? And we see the woman 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:16.640 who's like his wife or whoever in the crowd, and 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:18.920 I'm like, oh, I don't care for that. But like 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:21.360 watching it again, I was like, I don't think we 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:23.080 needed to start with this. I think we could have 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:25.440 started with the two of them getting ready. I think 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:29.080 that this was unnecessary. Yeah, I will say where I 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:32.280 think the biggest misstep of this movie is is the 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:35.280 little romance between V and e V. I don't think 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:38.040 it needs it, but felt felt very like an unnecessary 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:41.600 Hollywood thing. But other than that, I think this is 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:45.240 better than the book. I think it's cleaner. I think 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:47.960 it makes more sense than last week. I think that 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:50.120 it's better than the book, and I do stand by that. 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:52.040 But I definitely did see it in a different light 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:53.920 in terms of adaptation, And there were some things that 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:55.840 I was like, Oh, it makes so much sense that 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:57.640 they did this instead of that. There were other things 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:00.440 where I was like, that really does, Like Alan Moore 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:03.440 is kind of right. This does really change the way 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:07.000 that the thesis is perceived. And if you know, Alan 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:09.840 Moore at the end doesn't have his name in the credit, 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:14.720 It just says from the novel. Illographic novel illustrated by 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:18.960 David Lloyd, it doesn't He's like, no, yeah, he just 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:22.359 disavowed himself. He was like, I ain't write this. I 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:25.200 don't know what this trash is. But I did not 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:28.880 write it. I mean it's a bold stance, like i'd 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:30.880 be like, I hate it. He I didn't he I thought. 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:33.440 He refused. He didn't watch it either. He just read 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:36.160 the screenplay. I read it and like was like, I 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:41.280 hate this, Which it was funny to me because I 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:45.400 my reaction to this movie was I loved it. I 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:49.560 thought the script and the adaptation from a script perspective 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:54.600 was a plus, like just so like taking out all 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:58.640 of the ideas and streamlining and making it really compelling 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:02.120 and really making it about V. I thought the directing 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:04.640 was a little B movie, Like I think I wish 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:08.400 the Wachowskis didn't just shadow directed. I wish they directed 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:11.880 directed it. I know that you mean be like A 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:18.160 versus B. But I was thinking it was very a 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:21.760 lot of similarities to be movie storied, a lot of 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:26.160 the same motifs and themes. Um. Yeah, I think it 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:29.360 was like no offense to the director, but it felt 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:32.560 like almost a director trying to be the witch. How 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:37.360 skis and wasn't quite as adept to be fair, I mean, 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:40.640 James mctigue has not had a long career after this movie. 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:45.320 His biggest credit up until this movie was assistant director 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:50.000 on Star Wars Episode two, Attack of the Clones, a 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:53.600 beloved movie by all movie goer. This was this was 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:56.640 his first feature film. I think it was cool that 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:59.680 the wowskis when I looked it up, because I was like, 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:01.480 why did they direct this? And I got very up 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:03.160 in arms about it. I was like, Oh, they didn't 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:05.040 want to. They wanted a break and wanted to just 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.600 kind of direct from the side and maybe probably get 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:11.160 more sleep. Um, so they brought up their first a 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:15.000 d which is a cool thing to do. But h 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:18.520 I really like Alan Moore hated it so much when 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:20.960 I thought there were so many little love notes to 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:24.839 the book in this movie. They're just all these wonderful 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:29.440 easter eggs, like like the dolls in Prothrow Shower where 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:32.719 they don't talk about how he's an avidult calender, but 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:34.640 like if you've read the book, you know, and it's 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:37.920 a fun little nod. Or the show girls in their 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:41.440 show girl costume on Dirty d Tricks Show and you 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:44.840 also reference they reference, Um, there's a little tiny little 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:50.719 clip of Storm Saxon. Yeah, and I do. I think 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:52.880 if you watch it for a second, you see that 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:57.000 the villain is like a really um racist caricature of 0:04:57.040 --> 0:05:00.760 an Arab person, which does feel like into thousand five, 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:03.080 And I mean that was a little more bush like 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:08.760 bush era what the racist villain absolutely would be on 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:15.280 a show like that. I particularly liked this adaptation for 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:19.919 the character choices that were made, like letting Ev have 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:24.600 a lot more agency, putting her in a position as 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:29.320 someone who works in the like state media news. UH station. 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:33.279 Also loved the choice of how V was directed and 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:36.760 how he's like much more charismatic, much more like kind 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:40.599 of devilish and fun. And I also liked the choice 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:44.240 that they made for Finch to to actually like let that, 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:48.680 like the very final panel in the book now feels 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:52.440 appropriate for the Finch that was depicted in the movie. Yes, 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:56.479 this person who is like has been working under the 0:05:56.520 --> 0:06:00.520 thumb of this like this terrible authoritarian government and is 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:03.159 starting to see how bad they are and is trying 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:05.920 to piece together the puzzle and in the end makes 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:10.800 the choice to let e V send that train. Yeah, 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:14.680 I loved that, and like the fact that she frames 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:18.720 it as hope I think really gives me chills. I 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:21.640 will get to it, but I the end of this movie, 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:25.800 when everyone's removing their maths and we get which I 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:29.919 always whisper quick flashes of her parents and of a 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:33.880 Valerie and of Gordon. Oh, I'm getting chills just saying it. 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:36.960 I find such a such a whamp. I'm like, Oh, 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:40.000 it's so good. They're all there and he's there, and 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:46.479 there I am. And it's an idea, it's effective, effective, 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:50.120 it's super cathartics at the cathartic ending that we wanted 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:53.040 from that we talked about last week of just like 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:57.120 there's hope, and also V goes out the way that 0:06:57.200 --> 0:07:02.480 V wants to go out. M yeah, So I really 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:05.359 love that they make e v older. I think it 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:09.200 is weird that she's sixteen in the graphic novel. I 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:12.160 am uncomfortable with it, especially when she gets into that 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:17.600 intense sexual relationship in book two. Uh. But something else 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:19.960 that I really like. I love the scene where VS 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:22.560 introduced and where EV is introduced to V. Because as 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:25.480 I was reading the latter half of the graphic novel, 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:28.560 I was like why why do I like V Like 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:31.560 I don't think I do. And in the movie watching 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:32.960 the movie again, I was like, oh, that's why I've 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:36.360 always liked this character, because he's definitely still a little 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:39.760 like not all they are all the time and doesn't 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:42.680 think the way that I think we would think, as 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:46.560 you're lay people who are not theater people who took 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:50.640 what cyclass. But like in that scene where he does 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:53.640 his like monologue with all the vs and in view 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:58.240 of thisissitude, but I did three vs, I cannot do 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:00.360 the whole thing. And there was a point I was like, 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:05.800 I'm gonna learn this when I was like twenty, I'm 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:11.560 not gonna learn. But I love like when Evie asks 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:15.120 him who are you? And he says who is? But 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:18.080 the form following the function what and what I am 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:21.160 is a man in a mask? And then she's like, right, 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:23.080 I can tell that He's like right, I'm just saying 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:28.240 mask who they are? Like I love that, Like it's 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:31.080 like the Brits say they got good Bana, yeah, and 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:34.240 sand totally right that. Like he is way more fun 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:38.880 and funny in this than he is in the graphic novel. 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:42.800 I also really we're talking character changes I really love 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:48.840 what they do with Gordon, who's played by my favorite. 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:52.679 He's basically an invention for the film. The only similarity 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:56.000 is he's, you know, an older man who Evie comes 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:59.240 to for like protection and safety. But in the film, 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:02.760 if you haven't seen, in that, Gordon is a host 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:06.280 of a television program and he's famous and as money. Yeah, 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:08.480 he's laurened Well and he but he hosts the show. 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:14.040 He's Stephen Colbert, he's more. He's more Stephen Colbert. Yeah, 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:17.840 and he In the first night that Eve's out on 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:20.920 the streets, she wasn't trying to work her first night 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:24.040 as a prostitute. She was going on a date to 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:29.360 visit uh Dad Gordon Dietrich at his house, Daddy Dtric 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:32.160 at his house. Um. But we find out that he 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:34.199 sort of invites her as a front, that he is 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:37.559 a closet gay man, and that he you know, is 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:41.640 a member of this party, but is um secretly rebellious. 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:44.440 He has a copy of the Koran, he has banned art, 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:48.439 and eventually he's arrested and killed in a way that 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:52.040 maybe if someone who works in media, I found so 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:56.120 affecting because you sometimes think that like money or fame 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:59.839 or at least like public attention will save you. It's 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:03.080 very much. I mean that he was like he thought 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:04.640 that he was going to have to do a boring 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:07.800 fund phraser of five fine after doing a show that 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.800 made fun of the Chancellor. And I know you will 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:14.400 note I think it's viscerally scary to see someone like 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:17.360 that then get his uh it's not come up, and 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:20.400 but then get it made. That was like the moment 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:23.800 where I'm like, oh, this government is fucking scary. And 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:27.439 I felt that fair so viscerally because he was someone 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:32.400 with what should have been power but then was made powerless. Yeah. 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:35.840 I do also feel like I should point out Daniel 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:40.240 where my husband works for a talk show. For a 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:43.439 very long time, he worked for Cool Bear, and every 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:46.920 time he has seen the show that Dietrich puts on, 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:51.840 he points out that it is a terrible show. It's 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:56.520 very dub and done to Benny Hill music, but it's effective. 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:59.319 It's very no. No, yeah, you know, I've seen Monny 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:04.319 Python like I could have done a lot better. Um 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:08.160 so yeah, So Danny Ditrice puts on this um appallingly 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:12.680 bad like vaudeville sketch making fun of the Chancellor, and 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:15.600 I think that's actually really effective because I think to 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:20.320 any modern audience, that show is very bad um and 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:24.400 everybody in their society loves it, like that is the 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:28.160 most rebellious thing they have seen in decades in the 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:32.320 wildly subversa by their standards. I think it's intentionally bad. 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:35.840 I know, my husband just thinks the people making this 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:38.000 movie had no idea what talk shows are in the 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:41.199 head indeed never It's interesting that you said decades because 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:43.760 what's really weird about this movie and watching it again, 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:47.240 the timeline for how long they've been under this dictatorship 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:51.000 was much shorter than I had imagined it in my head. Yeah, 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:55.000 they were still making regular No, it was less because 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:58.479 in Valerie's thing, because the years have been shifted obviously 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:00.559 for the film, because the film came out in two 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:02.040 thousand five, So they were like, we're not going to 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:04.400 set this in the nineties. This is I think it'll 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:06.240 resonate more if we said it in the future, which 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:11.360 is set in UM. So she says, in two thousand five, 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:13.440 I came out to my parents or whatever, and then 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:16.640 in two thousand I think fifteen was when she was 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:19.880 when she was taken but we know, but we know 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:22.640 that maybe they only came for gay people later, because 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:27.360 Evie's parents were taken when she was when she was twelve, 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:30.120 and we can assume that she's probably twenty two now 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:33.080 are younger. But so I I assumed maybe like they 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:36.000 came for political dissidents first and then it just got 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:38.439 worse and worse worse. And also I think we also 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:42.520 have to assume that Valerie was hiding for a while, 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:46.640 that they maybe weren't public about their relationship. I mean, 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:50.160 Valerie was also a movie star. Yea, Valerie might have 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:53.439 had the protection that comes from being a wealthy white 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:57.959 woman in almost any society for a while until she didn't. 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:01.560 Much Like Gordon Dietrich, that whole that whole thing made 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:06.440 me cry. It's so beautifully so the VALERIEU. The Valerie 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:11.360 sequence is maybe one that is the closest to the novel, 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:14.000 and I think it really works. What do you guys think? 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:22.480 I love verbatim from there were They were just like 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.600 slight changes that I noticed having read it very recently. 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:27.600 It was like, oh okay, But I think that they 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:30.640 were changes that were meant to honor and uplift the story, 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:34.200 not to take away from it. I think generally the 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:36.560 changes in the movie were made to honor and uplift 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:41.680 the story. To me, as people who really loved the graphic, 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:44.800 I love it. It's very clear they love it. I mean, 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:47.560 I love the choice to of like getting like going 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:51.160 back and forth between Valerie and also e V like 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:54.839 going through the motion or being tortured and like coming 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:58.120 back to the story every like. I loved that sequence. 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:02.760 Also loved the outfits that those lesbians wore to come 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:04.720 out to her parents. I was like, this is what 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:12.920 you think. This is amazing. These outs are insane, seeing 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:18.000 like when was this movie made two thou five, like 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:21.800 two thousand five dystopian lesbian clothes? I was like, nailed it, 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:27.400 loved it. There was a tiny thing that I realized 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:29.760 watching it again this time, because again this is probably 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:34.680 like the fifth or hey, the fifth v um but 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.560 at least the fifth time I've seen it. Uh, there was. 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:42.080 He says that the notes were passed to him the 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:44.960 same way that they were passed to her in the cell, 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.200 which I'm like, cool, cool, cool, And then I remember 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:50.520 that his entire body was burned in a fire. Where 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:53.280 were the notes made of toilet? Paper. He but he's 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:56.080 the one who set the fire, so maybe he oh yeah, 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:59.480 he set that fire. So and then he emerged through 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:02.600 it and his entire body was burnt. Maybe he'd been 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:08.240 it's paper, Maybe he hit nose pieces. He wanted to 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:10.960 say that, Remember I said, I imagine he read like 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:14.040 hundreds of times. I feel like put it in he 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:16.320 was collecting things. He put a little too. We put 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:19.400 the two of his butt right before the But I 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:23.040 will say into that end, I really liked the detail 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:26.400 of seeing these hands, Like I thought that was a 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:33.080 really good, creepy but perfect moment of like seeing the 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:37.240 hands and because that's all you need to understand is 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:39.440 like that he is not the man behind this mask. 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:42.120 And then it kind of puts that to rest and 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:45.880 in a way that is like delicate and like you 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:48.640 see her at first kind of strike back and then 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:52.880 have this sympathy and like wanting to know more, and 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:54.720 and it gives you that point of interest of like 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:57.880 what did happen to him? If you hadn't read the book. Um, 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:02.360 I really thought so many of the details that enriched 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:06.840 V in this in this movie really made me love 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:09.000 V a lot more. And to that end, I want 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:18.000 to talk about Hugo Weaving. Um we stand stand Hugo. 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:20.920 I feel like we were talking about this on our thread, 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:23.960 but just to bring listeners in that like who was it? 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:30.040 I haven't pulled up um that James pure Purifoy Purefoy 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:32.600 was hired to play V but then he couldn't get 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:36.400 into the mask stuff and was fired and now and 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:39.200 then he believing who played the villain in the matrix? 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:42.240 Who that in that performance in itself I think is 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:48.280 just completely underrated. Um and he was an LTR came 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:50.760 in and it was like I can take use my 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:53.720 mask work from and I'm like, great, we have a 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:59.200 nerdy theater theater major coming in playing V. It is perfect. Um. 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:04.600 I still felt the real theater major annoying theater major. 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:07.919 Flair I wrote at some point when he was fun, 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.760 he was putting up all those dominoes. I was like, 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:13.680 I was like, the dominoes are just for him, and 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:18.800 weeks weeks putting up those dominoes. Do you know how 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:21.480 long it takes putting up as it takes a really 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:24.639 long time. I read on the like Tribuna on IMDb 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:28.280 that it took thousands of hours for multiple people to 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:35.639 put together those dominantes. They were experts. They were domino experts. 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:38.639 Is to be a domino expert, I don't think so. 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:42.040 And also I will say the dominoes are lifted directly 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:45.720 from the graphic novel, but it was a much less 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:49.240 elaborate set up. In the graphic novel, they were like, oh, 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:52.719 we're just going to do the outline and then the circle, 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:55.239 like we're good. Yeah, they filled it in. I got 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:59.399 different colors filling it in, gonna knock it down, like 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:02.560 was in of hours. I mean, how many times I'm 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:07.600 just thinking proper prop work. He didn't even call Evie 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:09.320 in like, hey, even look at this, look at this, 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:16.119 this is gonna be really cool. Look look, I know 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:19.720 I know that I'm like I don't live my life 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:22.720 for other people, and like you should try like doing 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:25.040 things just for you more. But if I set up 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:27.840 all those dominoes, I would definitely like call my mom 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:35.400 like yeah, he did good job. I'd be proud of myself. 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:37.960 And it's like, I want to say, it's weird that 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:40.800 he doesn't just for himself. But in this particular instance, 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:43.639 I was like I don't get it, Like this is 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:50.040 elaborate Okay, I have to go set up thousands of 0:18:50.160 --> 0:19:03.920 dominoes just for me. I'll be back slightly back to 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:06.800 the film. I think the movie makes a very strong 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:09.480 choice to want to tie everything up in a much 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:13.240 neater package than the book does, where first there's the 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:16.879 his first main announcement at Jordan Tower is like the 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:19.879 day after I guess, the day of November five, and 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:22.640 he says, in one year, this is what's going to happen. 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:26.159 I'm gonna do this. So the entire movie has the 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:31.720 entire timeframe of one year. But also and also maybe 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:36.240 they was smart and screenwriting just put a clock on it. 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:40.760 But also the most like come together thing that I 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:43.920 think they do is something totally different that's not in 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:48.639 the book. But the idea of this St. Mary's virus 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:53.880 that there was there there are these these testing facilities, 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:57.960 uh lark Hill, like these concentration camps, but at these 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:00.399 concentration camps, the thing that the test saying that they 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:03.480 were doing on v which wasn't really specified in the 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:07.159 graphic novel, if I recall, was we find out in 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:12.200 the film was genetic warfare, not genetic viral warfare, which 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:15.760 is like a now illegal under the Geneva convention, but 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:17.680 they were they were coming up with what they thought 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:20.200 would be the next Adam bomb, which was a a 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:23.919 virus as a weapon, So that is specifically what they 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:26.800 were testing at this place where v was. And then 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:30.640 we find out or the detective discovers that the government 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:34.280 actually used this St. Mary's virus on their own. People 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:38.480 said it was Islamic extremists and then used that to 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:44.359 overthrow the government, which is a not so I mean, 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:46.639 it's it's a little bush to nine eleven, but in 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:50.359 not so veiled uh connection though to like, well, when 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:53.800 there's an act of extreme terrorism from an outside force, 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:59.400 government consolidates power under nationalist identity, like that is something historically, 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:02.320 I mean. And also that they had the cure too, 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:04.960 that was the big part of it. It would be 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:07.520 crazy if they called it something like the China virus 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:10.160 or something, right, Oh yeah, well that would be topical. 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:12.840 I mean that whole part when they were showing the 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:17.320 newspapers and it was like it was eight thousand day, 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:23.400 the government today thousand, and it was just like, oh 0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:27.800 even in like the wildest imagination of the wachowskis that 0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:31.480 like eighty thousand dead to a government would would be 0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:37.359 like ruining. Not imagine if people found out that the 0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:40.480 government had done nothing and they were like, we loved 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:45.800 those guys, fought them in for another term. I literally 0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:47.720 had to take a nap after I saw that. I 0:21:47.840 --> 0:21:49.720 was like, I can't. I just paused the movie and 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:53.439 took a nap because I was like that to people 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:57.680 to like hearing a film to reference like you can't 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:04.399 leave quarantine, I was like, I know, a real bummer. 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:07.680 It also made me very sad because the government like 0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:11.240 specifically probably like targeted the St. Mary's School because like, oh, 0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:16.720 an attack on children is so Irish. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:18.040 It turns out there are gonna be a lot of 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:21.520 people being like you should open up St. Mary's like that. 0:22:22.400 --> 0:22:24.399 I was thinking, like, oh, just like open up school. 0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:28.000 It's no big deal. That's it's everything is worse than 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:32.119 any dystopian director coal To possibly imagined. Yeah, well I 0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:35.000 thought it was interesting also how there was I mean, 0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:39.120 Alan Moore complains that it's very American and not British 0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:41.439 the way he wanted it to be. But I did 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:46.920 think I was just not a great not It's funny 0:22:47.000 --> 0:22:48.359 to me that I used to think that like I 0:22:48.480 --> 0:22:50.520 was like, yeah, she's doing it and watching it at 0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:54.160 this time. I was like, she's trying, love you girl, 0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:57.920 but that she needed a better dialect coach. Yes, But 0:22:58.040 --> 0:23:00.080 what I was gonna say was there's this scene and 0:23:00.240 --> 0:23:04.200 where Creedy is talking to Finch and he's basically accusing 0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:06.920 Finch of doing his job poorly on purpose because he 0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:11.560 sympathizes with the terrorists. And he's like, well, your family's Irish, right, 0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:14.720 It's terrible what St. Mary's did to the Irish, And 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:17.639 there is like a lot of subtle not I mean 0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:20.400 it's not subtle, but there's a lot of like racism 0:23:20.440 --> 0:23:23.680 towards the Irish. Even before prothero dies, he's talking about 0:23:23.800 --> 0:23:28.920 his Irish lighting director of photography Patty. Yeah, he calls 0:23:29.000 --> 0:23:30.800 him a Patty. He's like, I don't want to see 0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:32.919 him there. Get rid of him. He doesn't know how 0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:36.320 to light me. If you don't get a new DP tomorrow, 0:23:36.960 --> 0:23:39.040 things are gonna be bad for you. And I'm like, 0:23:39.680 --> 0:23:42.159 things are about to be real bad for you. I mean, 0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:45.760 you wish you weren't racist in your last moment to 0:23:45.840 --> 0:23:50.480 find new people to be racist Melissa Place. Oh, just 0:23:50.640 --> 0:23:53.399 while we're on Pro throw him in the shower with 0:23:53.680 --> 0:24:00.080 his massive screens all around him, Like what, I just like, 0:24:00.200 --> 0:24:07.680 does he loved it to himself? Yes? Right, he's probably 0:24:08.280 --> 0:24:14.760 Musk has a bathroom like that, just like yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:16.240