1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: On this episode of News World to come to Chinatown. 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Here we are. We're again careful safe and come join us. 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: Back in January, I wrote an article from US Say 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: Today saying we've got a pandemic. We've got a real problem. 5 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: Imagine if it sets up, how many more people would 6 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 1: be alive. This should not stop you from going about 7 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: your life. Should not stop you from going to Chinatown 8 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: and going out to eat. I'm going to do that 9 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: today myself. This disease, even if it were to get it, 10 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: basically acts like a common cold or flute. Don't worry 11 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: about it. Be more concerned about influenza than coronavirus. People 12 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: wearing masks now is just not relevant. There is no 13 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: need to change anything that you're doing on a day 14 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: by day basis. You should not be afraid at all 15 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: of getting on a plane and going to the super Bowl. 16 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: But if you want to fly to the super Bowl, 17 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:53,599 Speaker 1: have fun, it's not a risk. H This is new 18 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: due to the virus. I'm recording from home, so you 19 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: may notice a difference in audio quality. As we trying 20 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: to make sense of COVID nineteen. There's so many different versions, 21 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: so many different stories, so easily confused. That was very 22 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: impressed recently by the job Karl Robe did on Sean 23 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: Hannity in outlining step by step what had happened and 24 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: what the truth was. So I'm really pleased to welcome 25 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: as my guest Karl Rope. Karl is someone I've known 26 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: for many years and as a long time friend. He 27 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: served as senior advisor to President George W. Bush from 28 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: two thousand to two thousand and seven and Deputy Chief 29 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: of Staff from two thousand and four to two thousand 30 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: and seven. At the White House, he oversaw the offices 31 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: of Strategic Condiatives, Political Affairs, Public Liaison, and inter Governmental Affairs, 32 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: and was Deputy chief of Staff for policy, coordinating the 33 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: White House policymaking process. Rove was inducted into the American 34 00:01:55,720 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: Association of Political Consultants Hall of Fame in two and 35 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: is currently a Fox News contributor and Wall Street Journal columnist. 36 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: I am really delighted to have Karl Rove, a friend 37 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: who goes all the way back to I think nineteen 38 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: seventy nine when we were in a wedding together. He 39 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: has been called the architect because an extraordinary job he 40 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: did for President George W. Bush both in Texas politics, 41 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: getting through the governorship and the reelection, and then getting 42 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: through the presidential election and re election, which were both 43 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: extraordinary campaigns. And Karl Rov of course, is very famous 44 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: remains very active. Carl, thank you for agreeing to be 45 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: on this podcast. How could I say, no, speaker, And 46 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: you're right. I remember it vividly because we were at 47 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: the wedding of your campaign manager, Bob Weed and late 48 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: January or early February of nineteen seventy nine, and we 49 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,679 Speaker 1: met at his bachelor party, which was at a redneck 50 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: bar on a dirt road in southeast Georgia, and we 51 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: all sat down in a bunch of twenty year olds 52 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: and you and you were the freshman congressman. We sat down, 53 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: ordered around the beers, and you turned to us and said, 54 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: I could be just like Henry Clay and the war wigs, 55 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: and began to talk about how we could take back 56 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: control the USUS for Representatives. It was the most fascinating 57 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: evening and the worst bachelor party I've ever been to, 58 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: I have to say, a fantastic evening. I apologize for 59 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: ruining the bachelor party, but as you know, it turned 60 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: out to be a longer March than I thought at 61 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: the time, but we did automately get there, and you 62 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: were part of the reason we had great breakthroughs in Texas. 63 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: You did something the other day on Hannity that I 64 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: really wanted you to share with people, because the depth 65 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: of dishonesty and democratic memories as they talked about the 66 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: early days of the Chinese virus for COVID nineteen, between 67 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: what really happened and what they would now like us 68 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: to believe happened, it's pretty amazing. Could you just walk 69 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: through the gaps between their version and reality your point 70 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: about dishonesty, it really is either dishonest or it is 71 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: a warped memory. I don't know which one it is. 72 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: But Biden, for example, in June said that if President 73 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: Trump did quote did not listen to guys like me 74 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: back in January saying we have a problem, a pandemic 75 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: is on the way. And then in May he said 76 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: if he just listened to me and others and acted 77 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: just one week earlier to deal with this virus, there 78 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: would be thirty six thousand fewer people dead. Even the 79 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: Washington Post found that comment completely unsupportable and gave him 80 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: four pinocchios and why because look, the record shows what 81 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: Joe Biden was thinking more by what his advisors were 82 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: saying than what he was saying, because he wasn't saying 83 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: all that much. But over the course of January, February 84 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 1: and March, we know what he was thinking by what 85 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: his people were going out and saying publicly. Now, he 86 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: did start this. On January twenty seventh, he wrote an 87 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 1: op ed in the USA today. It's seven hundred and 88 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: seventy three words long. I counted them all now. Two 89 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: hundred and ninety two of them are spent defending the 90 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 1: handling of the twenty fourteen Ebola outbreak in Africa, which 91 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 1: a bola is intensely different than what we're facing now, 92 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: and it was far away, never came to our shores 93 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: because it was contained abroad. He spent two hundred and 94 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: sixty eight words decrying President Trump's leadership style, not with 95 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: regard to coronavirus, but just generally, just a lot of 96 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: adjectives and a couple of verbs attacking the president personally. 97 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: And he spent seventy four words suggesting that we faced quote, 98 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: the possibility of a pandemic, and then he gave a 99 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: solution one hundred and forty words, all of which were 100 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: steps that he would take if he were elected president 101 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: and inaugurated in January of twenty twenty one. He would 102 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: beef up the Public Health Emergency Fund, which already exists. 103 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: He would amend existing laws to allow presidents to declare 104 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: pandemic emergencies, which the president already has the authority to 105 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: do under the Stafford Act. And he would fully fund 106 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 1: what he called the Global Health Security Agenda. Now, how 107 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: any of these steps, which would have been taken eleven 108 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 1: months later, would have helped us do anything with regard 109 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: to what the crisis that we find ourselves in now 110 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: is beyond me. Incidentally, at the time his op ed 111 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: got panned, the Warshingon Post later described it as quote 112 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: more of an attack on President Trump than a detailed 113 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: plan of action. Now four days later, the President of 114 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: the United States issues the China travel ban, and Biden 115 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: almost immediately decries it as quote hysterical xenophobia and fearmongree. Now, 116 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: the Biden campaign today says he wasn't referring to the band, 117 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: but it sure sounds to me like it was. He's 118 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: at an event in Iowa, the President has just instituted 119 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: a ban on travel from China, specifically Wuan, and Biden 120 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: says it refers to hysterical xenophobia and fearmongery. Well, that's 121 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: exactly what he was talking about. So the next day 122 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: he went again to attack it, saying, quote, disease has 123 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: no borders. Let's be honest. Back then he was attacking it. 124 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: Today he's trying to suggest he wasn't. Now It's not 125 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: just Biden, it's the people around Biden as well. It 126 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: really is remarkable. On January twenty eighth, as this is 127 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: being talked about, Ron Klaine, who was for a time 128 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: his top advisor on this issue. He was the guy 129 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: in the Obama Biden white House who was in charge 130 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: of the Ebola effort. He dismissed the China travel ban 131 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: as premature. The day before the travel ban is put 132 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: in place. Zeke Emmanuel, yes that's Ram's brother, who's a 133 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: physician at the University of Pennsylvania, told CNBC viewers to 134 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: quote take a very big breath, slow down, and stop 135 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: panicking and being hysterical. The virus quote will go down 136 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: as spring comes up. I mean it pretty amazing throughout February, 137 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: all of these people around Biden kept minimizing the threat. 138 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: There's a doctor. Irwin red Lanter on February sixth wrote 139 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: that a global pandemic was quote not very likely, and 140 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: predicted that the chances of quote getting a severe, potentially 141 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: lethal form of the Wuhan virus is negligible. What's interesting 142 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: to me is two things. One is he not only 143 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: says it's negligible that this thing is going to be 144 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: life threatening, but he also called it the Wuhan virus. 145 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: I wonder if he's a racist in a xenophobe like 146 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: the Biden campaign attacks President Trump for referring it as 147 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: the Wuhan virus. On February eleventh, Kline played down the 148 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: likelihood of the virus at a conference by saying, quote 149 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: a serious epidemic quote, the evidence probably signists it's not that. 150 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: Two days later, attacking the President directly, he says, we 151 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: don't have a COVID nineteen epidemic in the US, but 152 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: we're starting to see a fair epidemic. Now what does 153 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: that mean. That means you, mister president, should not be 154 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: hyping the day of this disease. It's not a COVID 155 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 1: nineteen epidemic. It's a fear epidemic. And now they're trying 156 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: to say, oh, the President was down playing that the 157 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: President wasn't telling us the truth. Unbelievable. On the twentieth, 158 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: Emmanuel pops up again with his similar suggestion, quote, warm 159 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: weather is going to come and just like with the flu, 160 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: the coronavirus is going to go down. These are the 161 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: people who are advising Biden, people who are briefing him. 162 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: These are the people whom he's sending out to attack 163 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: the president by saying the President is hyping the threat 164 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: from coronavirus. Then we get to late February and we 165 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: get that wonderful appearance by Nancy Pelosi in San Francisco. 166 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: Worried about tourism in Chinatown. She goes out, we all 167 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: remember that, come on to people, come on back, It's 168 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: time for you to quote come to Chinatown playing echoes. 169 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: Or three days later, at a conference saying people quote 170 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: should not be dissuaded by needless fears about coronavirus, he 171 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: added that everyone quote should tonight go down to Chinatown 172 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: and their city and buy dinner and go shopping. We 173 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: all remember how stupid it looked when Nancy Pelosi did that. 174 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: But remember the top advisor on the pandemic to Joe 175 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: Biden is Eckweener. A couple of days later, literally on 176 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: a program on CNN with Wolf Blitzer on February twenty ninth, 177 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: doctor Emmanuel is being interviewed when the news breaks of 178 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: the first coronavirus death at a nursing home north of Seattle, 179 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: and literally he's on set with Wolf Blitzer, and he 180 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: and Blitzer begin to talk about what's the response ought 181 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: to be, and Emmanuel says, quote running out and getting 182 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: a mask is not going to help end quote, and 183 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: then again downplays the threat. That's on February twenty ninth. 184 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: Those are the people who are advising by it, and 185 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: they're clearly advising him, don't let this thing grab control 186 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: of the public dialogue. Trump is spinning people up needlessly. 187 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: This is not going to be a big deal at all. Then, 188 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: on March twelfth, as it becomes apparent that the President 189 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: is contemplating slapping a travel ban on from Europe because 190 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: remember what happened is this breaks out in Wuhan, China. 191 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: Wuhan and that part of China have significant travel links 192 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: to northern Italy, in particular, the disease is spreading in 193 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: northern Italy and beginning to run all across Europe. So 194 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: the president is thinking about a travel ban on Europe. 195 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: And Lisa Monica, who is the Homeland Security advisor in 196 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: the White House under Barack Obama and a key advisor 197 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: to now presidential candidate then Vice President Joe Biden, she 198 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: goes on television and says, quote a wall will not 199 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: stop the coronavirus, tying it to the wall on the 200 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 1: southern border. But talking about the European travel ban March ninth, 201 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: Biden had had a major rally. On the twelfth, he 202 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 1: echoes Lisa Monica and downplays the necessity of a European 203 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: travel ban. He talks about in person voting until April twelfth. 204 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: I can't find in period of January, February or through 205 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: mid March any time that the word masks crosses Joe 206 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: Biden's lips, or social distancing or lockdowns, or even calls 207 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: for more protective gear. None of that until mid March. 208 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: He finally says, you know, we ought to used the 209 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: Defense Production Act to ramp up production of critical protective 210 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: equipment for our health workers. And of course two things. 211 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: One is the president had already done that the day before. 212 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: And second of all, the reason that we lacked PPE 213 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: was because the Obama Biden administration had run down the 214 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: stockpiles and had not replenished them. So here was the 215 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 1: great genius who today suggests if I had only been 216 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: in charge, this would have been done picture perfect, who 217 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: for January, February and part of March is behind the curve, 218 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: and whose service as Vice President of United States did 219 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: not lead him to say, well, we've had this threat 220 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: of a pandemic, and it didn't really emerge while we 221 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: were in office, but we did distribute all of our 222 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: PPE equipment. And because you can't keep that stuff on 223 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 1: the shelf for a year and you have to constantly 224 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: replenish it, he didn't say, let's replenish it. He said, well, 225 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: that was just the threat of an emergency. Let's not 226 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: worry about it. We'll leave it for the next guy. 227 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 1: I'm just really amazed at how this all happens, and 228 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: how they can now today claim to have had a 229 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 1: good handle on what ought to be done and how 230 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: it ought to be done. Don't you find that that's 231 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: almost the standard upbringing method now, both for the anti 232 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: Trump media and for the Democrats in general, they just 233 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: make up what they need to make up and suddenly 234 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: becomes a fact. You bring up a very good point. 235 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: He is complicit in this because there's nobody asking him 236 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: tough questions during this period of time. Well, first of all, 237 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: he not answering questions for most of this time. After 238 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: he has his last rally, he varied rarely. In middle 239 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: to late March and April is available to the press. 240 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 1: When Zeke Emmanuel goes on as an advisor to Joe 241 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: Biden on CNN and says, don't run out and get 242 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: a mask, he doesn't get asked that day. Well, you know, 243 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: some health experts are starting to raise concerns, and certainly 244 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: with the one exception of the Washington Post article that 245 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: when he went out and said if they'd listened to 246 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: guys like me back in January saying we had a 247 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: problem with pandemic is on the way that was in June. 248 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: The Washington Post did do a piece that said four pinocchios. 249 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: But nobody has been saying, well, you don't all well, 250 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: and good for you to criticize President Trump on this 251 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: regard but weren't you and the people around you saying 252 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: things like quote running out and getting a mask is 253 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: not going to help. Zeke Emmanuel on February twenty ninth, 254 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: February eleventh, we're starting to see a fear at pidemic. 255 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: Ron Plane Now, Ron Clint, I'm sure he's continuing to 256 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: advise the Vice president, but they don't put him on 257 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: TV anymore because they think maybe someday some reporter might 258 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: actually get tough with him on it. But you're right, 259 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: the media is a complicit in what is really a 260 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: cover up of Joe Biden's lack of foresight on this 261 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: issue and his criticism of President Trump being too aggressive. 262 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: Watching him flounder around on this is amazing, And of 263 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: course I owe a double blast because I think if 264 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: you look at how totally mishandled, Cuomo and Murphy were 265 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: in New York and New Jersey, they are an enormous 266 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: part of the statistical problem because people die that shouldn't 267 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: have There's one other data point here. Joy Reid begins 268 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: her program and her first guest is Joe Biden, and 269 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: it's obviously a softball interview, but she asked him a 270 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: question which I think she hoped that he would come 271 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: forward and be a rockstar. On she says, well, if 272 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: you get elected, what are you going to do? What 273 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: would you do differently? And so he waxes eloquently and 274 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: lists six things. Here are the six things that I 275 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: would do. The problem was every one of these things 276 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: had already been done. President Trump had already done every 277 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: one of them. He said, Well, we got out a 278 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: point somebody to be a charge of viruses and vaccine 279 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: production and distribution. Well, that had happened like five or 280 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: six weeks before, and then we ought to invoke the 281 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: defense production. Well the President had done it like thirty 282 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: times by that point. So even then, the media didn't 283 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: hold him to account by saying, well, given a softball 284 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: question and ask what he would do, he said he 285 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: would do the things that the president has already done. 286 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: Nobody in the press held him up for scrutiny on 287 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: that at all. Urs It's also conceivable that most of 288 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: the press didn't know it either. This is a complicated thing. 289 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: I was in the White House for seven years. We 290 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: had stars, and we had merged. We had three instances 291 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: where the possibility of a pandemic grows and I'd go 292 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: to these briefings, and they were scary because if they 293 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: get out of control, they are very problematic. That's the 294 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: nature of a pandemic. Stars was feared to be easily transmittable. 295 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: It turned out not to be, But if it had been, 296 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 1: we would have seen something like what we're seeing today 297 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,719 Speaker 1: in two thousand and two and three, and MYRS was 298 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: reasonably easily to transmit and was spread throughout people attending 299 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: the Hajj. But what I learned was these things are 300 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: difficult to manage. These things are difficult to contain. These 301 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 1: things are difficult to estimate, and you can prepare a 302 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: lot for him, but they can go a lot of 303 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: different directions. And there's no humility at all on the 304 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 1: part of the media that they can now look back 305 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: in hindsight and say, we know exactly what needed to 306 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: be done at the time. But you're right, they're not 307 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: asking tough questions. These things are difficult and hard to manage. It. 308 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: Biden looks in the rear view mirror and says, I 309 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: could have done it right, but we know what he 310 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: would have been doing by the nature of the comments 311 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: from the people who are around him, and he would 312 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: have been doing the wrong things. I think it's pretty 313 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: clear that Biden's inability to think in an orderly way 314 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: and hear things done. And I know Bob Gates, who 315 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: have been Secretary offense foot with Bush and Obama, wrote 316 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:06,719 Speaker 1: in his memoir that in Biden's entire career, he Gates 317 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: could not remember a single time that Biden was on 318 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: the right side of a national security question. From a 319 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: guy who prides himself with being pretty nonpartisan, I thought 320 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: that was an amazing comment. I agree. Yeah, let me 321 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: switch hears on you formenic was. I can't have you 322 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: on without taking into an area where you've done, I think, 323 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: an extraordinarily important job in an election that both you 324 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: and I believe was one of the most important in 325 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: American history and one of the least studied, who wrote 326 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: a terrific book on triumph of McKinley in the election 327 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: of eighteen ninety six. First of all, what drew you 328 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: to do that? And what do you think people today 329 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: should learn? Well, actually it was a complete accident. I 330 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: was trying to get into the PhD program at the 331 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: University of Texas at the age of forty something, and 332 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: I had to finish my BA and in order to do. 333 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: So I signed up for a history class that was 334 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 1: never given History three fifty one seminar and historical source writing. 335 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 1: You had to get a professor to take you on, 336 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: do research in the original source material, and write a 337 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 1: paper and you could get three hours and fulfill the 338 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 1: upper division writing requirement. I've been running a public affairs 339 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: firm and been involved in political campaigns for a decade 340 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: and a half, and there was no evidence I could 341 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: string together two sentences, so I had to fulfill the 342 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: upper division writing requirement. Being a direct mail guy, I 343 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: had to show that I could write. So I stumbled 344 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: into the department and not knowing that this was never done, 345 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: and the woman behind the counter sort of looked askance 346 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: at me and said, this just simply has not done it, 347 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: So well, how can I get it done? And she said, well, 348 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: you have to get a professor to take you on. 349 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 1: I said, who's here? She said, well, there's only one 350 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: professor in the department, doctor Lewis Gould. So I said, well, 351 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 1: could I see him? And I said I'd like to 352 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: take History three fifty one. He said, well what do 353 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: you want to research? You right about it? I said, 354 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: I'm interested in Theodore Roosevelt in eighteen ninety five and 355 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: eighteen ninety six. How does he rescue himself from political oblivion? 356 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 1: In eighteen ninety five, after having run third in the 357 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: race for Mayor of New York, he's added to the 358 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: Police Commission, and six months later he hates the job. 359 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: He glories in it when appointed, and hates it shortly thereafter, 360 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: and is in lawsuits with his fellow commissioners against each other. 361 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: And he backs the wrong guy for president. He's for 362 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: the front runner, Thomas Brackett Read the Speaker of the House, 363 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 1: and Read loses to the upstart reformer William McKinley. And 364 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: McKinley does not like Roosevelt. And yet somehow or another, 365 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 1: he becomes the Assistant Secretary of the Navy and enters 366 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: into history. And unbeknownst to me, Lewis School who was 367 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: one of the greatest historians of the guilded Age, and 368 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: he said, I'll take you on. I've never done it, 369 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: but I'll take you on. But you have to read 370 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: the McKinley papers, because history gets McKinley wrong. And the 371 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: more I read in the McKinley papers, which are a 372 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: gigantic archive disorganized, not well structured. Library of Congress and 373 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: University of Texas is a sub depository, so it has 374 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 1: a copy on microfilm. The more I rambled through the 375 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: McKinley papers, the more impressed I was with the man, 376 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: his mind, his manner, his method. So I just sort 377 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 1: of began to make it a private cause to understand better. 378 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 1: William McKinley and the election of eighteen ninety six, which 379 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: political scientists have studied for a long time, considered one 380 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 1: of the five realignment elections in American history, along with 381 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 1: eighteen one hundred and eighteen twenty four, in eighteen sixty 382 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: and nineteen thirty two. And yet we never study the man. 383 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: And McKinley turns out to be a remarkable figure, one 384 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: of the most amazing people to have been President of 385 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: the United States, and his election disrupted the broken politics 386 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: at the Gilded Age, which was his twenty four year stalemate, 387 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: and ushered in a thirty two year period of Republican dominance. 388 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: If anything do you think you learned studying in eighteen 389 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: ninety six that might apply to where we are now. 390 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: The first thing is, and he came to this reluctantly. 391 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: He was losing him the summer and the early fall, 392 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: and then realized that he needed to have a big issue. 393 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: He was trying to avoid the big issue currency, should 394 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: we have money that was backed by silver or money 395 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: that was backed by gold? The Democrats were a fire 396 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: in the middle of it, but enormous depression by saying 397 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: that the way out was to provide more money to 398 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 1: people by switching to a silver back currency. And he 399 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: tried to avoid that issue, but he realized in late 400 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: August early September that he couldn't and he had to 401 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: make the campaign about a big issue and a big contrast. 402 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: And he framed his approach by trying to persuade sort 403 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: of key voter blocks laborers, farmers, commercial and professional people, 404 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 1: small business owners, union veterans that he was right and 405 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: William Jennis Brown was wrong, which required him to get 406 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: to the nub of the issue. He had to talk 407 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 1: about the essential parts of that. The second thing is 408 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: he took on what everybody thought was his opponent's supposed strength. 409 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,719 Speaker 1: Everybody thought Brian was winning, and he was because he 410 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: was advocating free silver and an inflationary currency. But the 411 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: major as he liked to be called, realized that what 412 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: a candidate often thinks is his strong point is sometimes 413 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 1: as Achilles heel, and he found a way to go 414 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: after him. Third, he was a different kind of Republican, 415 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 1: and he realized that his country was changing dramatically and 416 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: that his party had to modernize its appeal to reach 417 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 1: to these new urban workers, many of whom were from 418 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: the Southern Europe, from Spain and Italy. And these were 419 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: not Anglo Saxon Protestants, and that was what the Republican 420 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: Party was in the North, was white Anglo Saxon Protestant 421 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: in the north and black Republicans in the south. But 422 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: all these people who were now coming from Central and 423 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 1: Southern Europe, they had no real allegiance to either party 424 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: and were up for grabs. They were mostly Catholic and 425 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: oft times industrial workers, and he knew that if his 426 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: party didn't grab them, they would give the Democrats a 427 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: lock on the electoral college. So he expanded the Republican 428 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: coalition and did so by making a special effort for 429 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 1: the laborer vote. He also ran a campaign that went 430 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: after places that had not been in play. He understood 431 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: that you couldn't just sort of run in the standard 432 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: set of the states that had given the Republicans the 433 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 1: presidential hold. So he went on offense. He went after 434 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: border states that had never voted Republican, like Kentucky and 435 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: North Carolina and Tennessee and Virginia and West Virginia and Delaware, 436 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: Maryland that had not voted Republicans since in eighteen sixty four, 437 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 1: and he won all of the border states with the 438 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: exception of Missouri, and in Missouri he lost it because 439 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: the Republican Party was deeply divided among itself. It allowed 440 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,919 Speaker 1: the party to pick up two Republican senators and the 441 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: border and Upper South regions and hang on to most 442 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: of the seats that they'd won in the eighteen ninety 443 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: four mid terms. This allowed them to have a majority 444 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: in the Congress that could have pass this program. He 445 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: also was an outsider. His slogan was the people against 446 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: the bosses. That was his primary campaign slogan, and he 447 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: took on the party bosses who had been in charge 448 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 1: of the Republican Party for some number of years. He 449 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: was attacked by the most powerful interest group in the country, 450 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 1: which was a virulently anti Catholic, anti immigrant group called 451 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: the American Protective Association, and he basically took him on 452 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: and became the first Republican ever endorsed by a member 453 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: of the Catholic hierarchy. And he was a candidate of change. 454 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: So he was the guy who went on there and said, 455 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: I'm not content with the status quo. I want to 456 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: change and big change. But it's not going to be 457 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 1: threatening change. It's going to be the kind of change 458 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: that I talked about it in a way that makes 459 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: it acceptable for you. That, by the way, is a 460 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: very good summary. What do you think are the lessons 461 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: you would hope that Trump and his team might draw 462 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: the next six weeks. The election's got to be a contrast. 463 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: You've been saying this, and I think it's absolutely right. 464 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: The president needs to have award vision. We began to 465 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,959 Speaker 1: lay it out the Sunday before the Republican Convention. They 466 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,959 Speaker 1: put out a very strong list of forward looking agenda items, 467 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: and they talked about it a little bit during the convention, 468 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: but in the final days, in my opinion, he's got 469 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: to say I'm the guy who had a strong economy 470 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: in seventeen, eighteen and nineteen, and I'm the guy who's 471 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: better able to restart the economy as we put coronavirus 472 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: in the rearview mirror. That's a very powerful argument. I 473 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: think it gets to be more powerful if he says, 474 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: not only am I going to do the things that 475 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: I did before, but here are new things that I'm 476 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: going to do in order to make the economy stronger 477 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: and prosperity broader and the opportunity for every American to 478 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: participate in it better. Here's what I'm going to do. 479 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: And then that's better than what that guy's going to do, 480 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: because what he's going to do is the following things, 481 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 1: and these things are going to be bad for you 482 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: and your family. It's an election of contrast. The second 483 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: thing that I think is really important to do, and 484 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: that is they're looking for ways to expand their coalition. 485 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: And we see this most obviously among Latinos and most 486 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:06,479 Speaker 1: obviously in Florida, where they have been working assiduously behind 487 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: the scenes to cultivate strong connections with the Cuban American community, 488 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: the Venezuelan American community. All of those they've been working 489 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: in various assundary ways. The first two are the Cuban 490 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: Americans are returning to their Republican roots in part because 491 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: the Democrats are so bad. The Venezuelan Americans and others 492 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,360 Speaker 1: from South America who have family experience with socialists are 493 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: being moved in part by the President and also in 494 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 1: part by Joe Biden and the Democrats. The Trump campaign 495 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 1: smart enough to realize that the Puerto Rican movement, in 496 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: the aftermath of the horrible hurricane, the middle class in 497 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: Puerto Rico up and moved to the United States, many 498 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: of them to Florida, and they are open to voting 499 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 1: Republican because they are middle class. They're professionals and small 500 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: business people and entrepreneurs and managers and hard workers who've 501 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: got a strong work ethic and a wonderful spirit among 502 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: themselves that I'm going to pick myself up, dust myself 503 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: off after a hurricane hit our island, and I'm going 504 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: to start fresh and new. And they like Trump. They're 505 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 1: open to voting for them, and they've been smart to 506 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: go after them. Because you cannot win this election simply 507 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: by maxim minds. He turn out among the party's traditional followers, 508 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: the people who have voted for Trump in twenty sixteen, 509 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: you've got to add to their numbers, and part of 510 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: those numbers got to be new voters, and some of 511 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 1: them have got to be people who may not have 512 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: voted for you last time around, but are open to 513 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: voting for you if you make the right argument to 514 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 1: him this time. Also, thank you. This has been fascinating. 515 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: You're one of the smartest guys in American government politics, 516 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: and I think this particular podcast sort of illustration. Just 517 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: look at the range of everything we just covered. But 518 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: as always, Carld, it's a lot of fun to be 519 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: with you and talk with you, and I'm personally and 520 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: you're dead for doing this well, speaker, I'm honored to 521 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: be invited, and I've treasured our friendship over these many years. 522 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: Leonard M from Missouri ask mister Gamwich, I want to 523 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: know why we cannot get a six year term policy 524 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: and acted for members of both Houses of Congress. We 525 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: don't get that passed, then we'll never be able to 526 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: drain the swamp and its rets. We know the founding 527 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: fathers tried to find a balance. They deliberately wanted the 528 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: House elected every two years because they wanted to be 529 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: able to get people to be responsible to the public. 530 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: I know when I was in the House the day 531 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: after the election, I was out shaking hands because I 532 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: knew that the next election was only two years away, 533 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: and I cite that because I'm not so sure we 534 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: want both branches elected every six years and being that 535 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: far away from the American people. The balance is that 536 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: one third of the Senate's voter on every two years, 537 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: one third comes up again the next two years, and 538 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: then one the last two years, so the Senate always 539 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,959 Speaker 1: has two thirds of its members a little bit beyond 540 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: the immediate public pressure. The House comes up every two years, 541 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: and every members of State and the Presidency of courses 542 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: every four years. So I actually think that's a pretty 543 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: good balance that gives you a little bit of perspective 544 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: but also keeps the heat on. And frankly, I trust 545 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: the American people more than I trust either the elected 546 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: officials or the bureaucrats, So I'm pretty comfortable making the 547 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: House accountable to the American people. Thank you to my guest, 548 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: Carl Road. You can read more about the truth behind 549 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: the coronavirus on our show page at knutsworld dot com. 550 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: Newtsworld is produced by Gingwish, Sweet sixty and iHeartMedia. Our 551 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: executive producer is Debbie Myers, and our producers guards slow 552 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: you our work for the show, who was created by 553 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: Steve Penwoy. 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