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Speaker 1: Y'all. Anna Walsh was last seen at her home January one,

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Speaker 1: she never made her flight. Now, this is usually a

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Speaker 1: tremendous red flag for me for people that are married,

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Speaker 1: her husband. He is accused of killing her, dismembering her,

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Speaker 1: so this is one of those cases of homicide where

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Speaker 1: Y'all know her. She's been here before. Danny from Danny

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Speaker 1: after Dark, Danny, welcome back to his own seventh.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Cheryl, thank you for having me back. I'm really

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you you're one of the people I

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Speaker 1: So she's got information for us that we can't get

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Speaker 1: anywhere else. So, Danny, I appreciate you giving your time

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Speaker 1: to really give us this full picture of what in

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Speaker 1: the world is going on on this case. So if

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Speaker 1: you would tell us about the two things he's already

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Speaker 1: admitted to that this jury doesn't you know about.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so the jury was not made aware before the

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Speaker 2: when for the past several years he's been saying he

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Speaker 2: does not know where Anna is. But in addition, and

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Speaker 2: most importantly, he admitted before the trial started that he did,

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Speaker 2: in fact dismember and dispose of her body.

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Speaker 1: Was this just a legal genius maneuver? Like why would

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Speaker 1: And then was it only to keep it from the

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Speaker 2: I honestly was not sure why this was done. The

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Speaker 2: have to do that. But I will say at the

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Speaker 2: closing arguments part of the trial that happened on Friday,

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Speaker 2: the judge did inform the jury about those charges that

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Speaker 2: he pleded it guilty to. So the jury is now aware,

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Speaker 2: but the whole time during the trial, they were not.

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Speaker 1: And they didn't get to hear any law enforcement testify

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Speaker 1: let's talk about a few other things. He made some

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Speaker 1: Google searches that I found pretty interesting. You know to me, y'all,

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Speaker 1: think the jury did with that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody here going into this trial was wondering how

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Speaker 2: had said that they were quote problematic searches. In regards

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Speaker 2: is sudden death, because that was what the defense was

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Speaker 2: trying to clean happen to Anna, that she died suddenly,

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Speaker 2: But never once in his searches was anything related to that.

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Speaker 2: So I think what was not search was actually more telling.

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Speaker 1: That's a great point, because he did tell everybody. When

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Speaker 1: Not just because of your Google searches, not just because

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Speaker 1: Now, let's talk about his shopping trip. Can you walk

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Speaker 2: There were several shopping trips that he made, and some

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Speaker 2: But a lot of the items that he purchased at

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Speaker 2: So that was really damning. And the jury they he

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Speaker 1: Now, Danny, this is important information because I only knew

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Speaker 2: M on one of the trips.

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, so this is a man that comes from privilege.

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Speaker 1: He's had a run in with law enforcement before trying

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Speaker 2: Is that fair to say that is very fair to say.

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Speaker 1: So, I don't know how many trips to lows he's made.

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Speaker 2: The garage exactly.

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Speaker 1: I often tell young detectives and rookies men are a

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Speaker 1: But tell us about the other trips now and wood eball.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So a lot of the other trips, again were

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Speaker 1: So acid on. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's the devil

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Speaker 1: But the bottom line is, your wife goes missing, you

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, and your lawyer can't do it, correct his lawyer.

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Speaker 2: There was a gentleman that did confirm they had a

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Speaker 1: And I heard his attorneys say something really unusual. He said,

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Speaker 2: To be jealous exactly, and I think the jury really

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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about the life insurance policy. So you

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Speaker 2: So her life insurance policy was two times her best

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Speaker 1: So she made a decent living. You know, the insurance

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Speaker 1: I think twice her salary that makes sense. Danny, is

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Speaker 2: Everything was pretty straightforward that was brought up to the media.

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Speaker 1: You know one thing that I think should never happen,

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Speaker 2: the defense is saying she died suddenly, he panicked and

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Speaker 2: But they never did that either. I was wondering their

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Speaker 1: Well, could this be like a Karen Reids shell game?

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Speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't think so. I think

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Speaker 1: So, Danny. One last question. You've been outside the courtroom,

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Speaker 2: Yes. I think it was shocking that we did not

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Speaker 1: Okay, and you are talking about a room full of

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Speaker 2: So the jury came back and it is what we

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Speaker 1: Of Honor Danny. Thank you so much. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: And I was already pretty solid on where I landed,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was pretty damning to see.

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Speaker 1: Well, I just appreciate you joining us again on Zone seven,

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me, Cheryl.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to end Zone seven the way that I

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Speaker 1: Mister Walsh is a turnin. I'm Cheryl McCollum in This

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