Speaker 1: Look Mayre, Oh, I see you am I own look
Speaker 1: over there is that culture. Yes, goodness, Lost ding Dong
Speaker 1: lost CULTURESA is calling tactile, tactile. This is one where
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need to be tactile with my sister throughout.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be clutching. I'm gonna be clutching. Uh huh.
Speaker 1: I have to say, like, this really is a moment
Speaker 1: in podcast history, not lost culture, podcast history. I think
Speaker 1: this is.
Speaker 2: Someone who well, gosh, we're just talking about our guest already.
Speaker 1: I mean, because usually Bowen and I will sort of
Speaker 1: catch up, but here's a peak behind the curtain. We
Speaker 1: went to lunch, so we did all that. We did
Speaker 1: all that. Bone's here in Los Angeles really for this reason,
Speaker 1: really for this reason. And and you know, we might
Speaker 1: go to Universal Studios, so I might take bow In
Speaker 1: to Super Nintendo World, which is very exciting. That'll be big,
Speaker 1: That'll be very big. I'm happy to support Universal and BCU.
Speaker 1: This is we have an NBC Universal icon with us.
Speaker 2: We do in so many but this is a I
Speaker 2: think this is someone who is well regarded and respected
Speaker 2: and has gotten a lot of different things going in
Speaker 2: different parts of this indust.
Speaker 1: Trust, media, conglomerate, cross media. This is a Disney icon,
Speaker 1: this is an NBC Universal icon. Huh, I'm imagining.
Speaker 2: I want I want to say, I want to say,
Speaker 2: like BBC.
Speaker 1: I think BBC would do well. I'm sure there's been
Speaker 1: a BBC thing. Absolutely, they should court the guests because
Speaker 1: there hasn't been a BBC thing that needs to be
Speaker 1: a BBC project.
Speaker 2: Definitely there's been. Yeah, she's on brit Box somewhere. Do
Speaker 2: some brit Box.
Speaker 1: I don't know that all the British.
Speaker 2: TV shows for Americans to watch. Oh okay, great, great?
Speaker 1: So can I ask you about the BBC?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So what is that? Like?
Speaker 2: It's sort of like not NPR, like is it public?
Speaker 2: It's it's British broadcast. That's I don't I'm not the
Speaker 2: right person. I thought you would be an anglify having
Speaker 2: spent I need a little break from the UK.
Speaker 1: Got a little bit.
Speaker 2: And that's no, that's no, that's not knocking an entire country,
Speaker 2: especially like aren't we a little bit saturated with UK
Speaker 2: stuff right now? This whole Kate Middleton thing is getting
Speaker 2: me all kind of confused.
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, did you believe that that body
Speaker 1: double was her listen to that? You know what I think? Now?
Speaker 2: Well, apparently the body double has spoken. I don't know
Speaker 2: what she said, but I saw something today that was like,
Speaker 2: the Body Double has spoken.
Speaker 1: Did it sound like gate? I did not. I don't.
Speaker 2: I think they just meant like she has she has
Speaker 2: broken her silent. The Body Devil said, if I speak,
Speaker 2: what if the Body double sounded like, Hey.
Speaker 1: It's me. The Body Devil has like Fran Dressers, sounds
Speaker 1: like a gay guy. Frand Dresher, Oh, it sounds like
Speaker 1: a gay guy, which Frank Trusher does, kind of a
Speaker 1: sound like a coach number eight. Frank Treusher does kind
Speaker 1: of a gay guy voice. But I was a woman's
Speaker 1: soprano voice. Our guests a celebrated voice. Can I say,
Speaker 1: I think underrated voice in some households underrated.
Speaker 2: I have only ever put it on a giant pedestal
Speaker 2: my entire life.
Speaker 1: Talk about the guest place in your life. Culturally from
Speaker 1: the ages.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is this uncomfortable? It doesn't matter,
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. We're not concerned about her comfort. Yet
Speaker 2: she doesn't exist yet in the podcast space. So the
Speaker 2: think about DVD culture VHS culture. Here we are home
Speaker 2: video culture in general. I'm pre streaming. You really would
Speaker 2: have your rotation, Yeah, wouldn't you say? Did you have
Speaker 2: the five CD changer?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had that. We had that for sure. I
Speaker 1: had our guest self titled in the changer for sure.
Speaker 1: Like it was like in the in self titled. Self
Speaker 1: titled was really like so real, was like, okay, it
Speaker 1: was so real, So really you're like with this, this
Speaker 1: is someone to watch.
Speaker 2: But then self titled was like here we go, like
Speaker 2: what are the influences here within my pocket? You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying? And that was on and now that
Speaker 2: that's how you now. It's still when you get on now,
Speaker 2: that's how you know. That's how you know you're of now.
Speaker 2: You're of now. Yes, that's a rule cult they still
Speaker 2: make now. I think they still make now. That's a
Speaker 2: real culture number seventy seven.
Speaker 1: When you're gone now, that's how you know you're of now.
Speaker 1: And we've talked about coverage at length. At length, I
Speaker 1: really liked do you no longer find no streaming anymore?
Speaker 1: Which is totally fine. I'm in de lee. But then,
Speaker 1: but then the last two.
Speaker 2: Albums have been The Lime as well and the last
Speaker 2: album was with the husband Sublime Musical Artists, Informative and
Speaker 2: to say nothing of the A.
Speaker 1: And the reason why we even like went off the
Speaker 1: way we did was because we were talking about j
Speaker 1: Lo as sort of multiphen it icon. Yeah, but our guest,
Speaker 1: it's really been there all along, j Low level, jy
Speaker 1: Lo level. And so she shakes her head, but I
Speaker 1: shakes her head. But it's it's correct. And I saw
Speaker 1: that out of my peripheral and I'm not happy about it.
Speaker 1: I'm not happy about the lack of respect for us,
Speaker 1: of respect for respect, your respect, your space you have.
Speaker 1: Here's what I'll say. I believe my favorite movie as
Speaker 1: a child was A Walkdrop. Remember this is what I
Speaker 1: was saying in the days of home video. It was
Speaker 1: it was once a week. I would watch it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: once a week. Oh yeah, if you wanted to let
Speaker 1: it out, that was a sobfest. There's a line read
Speaker 1: of our guest in Shane West in the car and
Speaker 1: for some reason to two syllables one word go seat
Speaker 1: belt telling telling Landon to put a seatbelt on. And
Speaker 1: we're going to get into that. I want to know,
Speaker 1: was that Shankman on set being like shake and hey, hey,
Speaker 1: you gotta tell Shane to put on his head at him, Hi, Adam.
Speaker 1: I always see Adam Shankuin at the Hollywood Equinox and
Speaker 1: he's always dancing on the floor and then you go
Speaker 1: up to him and you're like, what's going on, girl,
Speaker 1: And he's like, I'm choreographing next week's episode of Drag Race.
Speaker 1: At any given time in the center of the Equinox,
Speaker 1: Holly would choreographing Dragon Race. Anyway, our guest has gone
Speaker 1: on to become an Emmy nominee for This is Us.
Speaker 1: You can now stream Doctor Death. It's out now on
Speaker 1: our choice. Peacar, You've never been thriving harder, Peacock. Congratulations
Speaker 1: on vander pump Roles being back. I bet that's huge
Speaker 1: for you guys. Have you been watching. I have not.
Speaker 1: I've really fallen off to fine, but I think it's
Speaker 1: probably just time. It's time to bring and we've been
Speaker 1: buzzing all day. In fact, in the car, I was
Speaker 1: just smiling to myself and I looked over and Bowe
Speaker 1: was also smiling to himself, and we were listening to
Speaker 1: Only Hope. And you are in luck everyone, because today
Speaker 1: we are welcoming to the podcast the one the only man.
Speaker 3: That was one of the most time sweating so much
Speaker 3: I had in that same room while people are talking
Speaker 3: about you. I'm so beyond flattered. You have no idea.
Speaker 3: I'm so thrilled to be here.
Speaker 1: We're so excited you're here. And now I feel like
Speaker 1: you have to take the moment that you've been wanting
Speaker 1: to take for years.
Speaker 2: Do we what do we wait for later on in
Speaker 2: the podcast to work up to this question? I feel
Speaker 2: like you can wait.
Speaker 3: I feel like we can. Let's but let's wait the
Speaker 3: Zenga thing, babe.
Speaker 2: Yes, but I think let's just like talk and catch
Speaker 2: up and then I'll work it in. Let me believe
Speaker 2: that you're not edging. Oh I've waited like twenty years
Speaker 2: of this. I feel like, what's another like twenty minutes.
Speaker 2: I'm curious to find out. But all right, okay, Well,
Speaker 2: I think we got out of our systems that episode
Speaker 2: where we really just like bust the doors open in
Speaker 2: terms of our Mandy love and we're just like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, and to say nothing of like saved and like.
Speaker 1: Like mister wedd and how to how to deal.
Speaker 3: It's like endless list of accomplished list face honestly, like
Speaker 3: I don't have words. It's beyond.
Speaker 2: But don't you feel like it's like I feel like
Speaker 2: maybe you you just need to hear it more often
Speaker 2: from people.
Speaker 1: Do you wear it?
Speaker 3: No? No, But that's okay. I'm almost forty. I've been
Speaker 3: doing this since I was fifteen. I'm like that, to me,
Speaker 3: is success like just having this kind of longevity? Yeah? Absolutely, same.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's it's so strange. Like literally, I
Speaker 3: told you bo and I almost drove off the road
Speaker 3: because I listen to you guys every week. I'm like,
Speaker 3: all right, it's Wednesday, IM in the car. I'm like
Speaker 3: running errands, and then you that I heard like it's
Speaker 3: segue and I heard my name and I was like,
Speaker 3: wait it was out. I was like, are you are
Speaker 3: they talking to me? Like I had this like existential
Speaker 3: crisis where I was like, I think they're just talking
Speaker 3: to me. Can everyone hear this?
Speaker 1: I was like, I wonder if like someone's going to
Speaker 1: hear and let her know. I'm sure if she actually
Speaker 1: does listen, because you never really know if this will
Speaker 1: be a shock and she'll drive off the road and
Speaker 1: to hear that that almost happened.
Speaker 3: No, No, it's okay to everyone on.
Speaker 1: The road, yes, who was Also, we have to think
Speaker 1: about too safety the thing. I hope we don't say
Speaker 1: anything too crazy right now because some of y'all are driving,
Speaker 1: and I hope you're not watching this on YouTube.
Speaker 2: Drive please don't watch the driving. But you were like
Speaker 2: recording from the scene. You were like in the car, like.
Speaker 3: I pulled over? Yeah over? Thank you for safety first. Yes, sure, do.
Speaker 1: Identify as a good driver.
Speaker 3: I think I'm a conscientious driver. Yeah sure. I mean
Speaker 3: in LA you have to sort of be defensive driving. Yeah, yes, yeah, did.
Speaker 1: You learn defensive driving? I learned defensive driving.
Speaker 2: The only thing I remember is nine and three instead
Speaker 2: of ten and two, which I don't think means anything anymore,
Speaker 2: like three hand placement on the steering.
Speaker 3: I feel like ten and two feels way too high
Speaker 3: and is way too high.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I feel like I've gotten flat in the
Speaker 2: past for like someone in the pastors being like, you're
Speaker 2: holding it at the sides, and I'm like, isn't that
Speaker 2: where you're supposed to do?
Speaker 1: I've never heard nine and three in my life.
Speaker 3: I haven't either, but I feel like that's where my
Speaker 3: hands tend to go.
Speaker 1: Okay, I did twelve and hip. No that doesn't just
Speaker 1: twelve and hip. It's defensive and my him, I let
Speaker 1: them what is defensive driving exactly? It's when you drive scared.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like when you're just like high alert.
Speaker 1: Truly high alert. Yeah, stops not just at stop signs,
Speaker 1: like stop most of the time, very much below the
Speaker 1: speed limit, right, yeah, because we all know it's culture
Speaker 1: that we can pretty much at all times go like
Speaker 1: five to ten over the speed lert. Sure, sure, great,
Speaker 1: I was just making sure I wasn't all Now we're
Speaker 1: all in agreement. Yes, this is the thing about you
Speaker 1: guys in LA. It's like you guys get to drive
Speaker 1: to work, which is sort of nice, Like it is
Speaker 1: like that lifestyle. I like the routine of it for sure,
Speaker 1: but you probably are all over the place, like when's
Speaker 1: the last time you shot in LA? Was? This?
Speaker 3: Is us in La La? The best?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, sleeping in your bed every night like that is
Speaker 3: the gift of all gifts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they don't do it anymore. Doctor Death was
Speaker 1: New York.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which was great, but he's like the whole family relocated.
Speaker 3: It was so much fun. It was like a real adventure.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, there's no place like home. Being
Speaker 3: home is the best I know.
Speaker 1: Do you like New York or are you like an
Speaker 1: LA girl?
Speaker 3: I love New York. Yeah, but I feel like I
Speaker 3: checked that off the bucket list for now. It's a
Speaker 3: young person's town. I'm too old. I have kids, Like,
Speaker 3: it's such a different thing to be there now, Like
Speaker 3: with my family it was. I mean, hats off to
Speaker 3: anybody who parents in New York. It is so much
Speaker 3: more difficult just to like schlepping a stroller down the subway.
Speaker 3: Like it's there's so much that you don't think about
Speaker 3: here in La. It's like you have a car and
Speaker 3: everything sort of exists in the car, and it's different exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Have you ever done Broadway or theater? And I would
Speaker 3: die That's I was just gonna think abou ultimate that's
Speaker 3: one day.
Speaker 1: It feels like such a natural watch to watch happened?
Speaker 3: Yet I wonder not the right project?
Speaker 1: Have they come to you?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah for things that like just weren't quite right,
Speaker 3: And I was like, no, I gotta save it totally.
Speaker 1: You know what you'd be amazing doing if they do well? Yes,
Speaker 1: Baker's wife, you'd be great. Yeah, but if they ever
Speaker 1: did waitress, Oh do they ever pitch you waitress?
Speaker 3: They have they have it? I mean I do. I
Speaker 3: love it. But I was just like the timing was right.
Speaker 3: There's you know, all those things have to sort of
Speaker 3: line up.
Speaker 2: If we came to you with a jukebox musical of
Speaker 2: your own work, not I mean.
Speaker 3: It comes down immediately.
Speaker 1: What if it was really good, we have a really
Speaker 1: good story.
Speaker 2: And if it was like if it was if it
Speaker 2: was on a meta level, like really cool, like it
Speaker 2: was Mandy Moore as Mandy Moore, like trapped in her
Speaker 2: own jukebox musical and she's like, get me the fuck
Speaker 2: out of this.
Speaker 3: Oh that's fine, that could be interesting. Yeah, I just
Speaker 3: came up with that off. I like that, okay. And
Speaker 3: the music is sort of like more of like set
Speaker 3: pieces and helps tell the story of different points of like.
Speaker 2: A classic juke box but like in terms of like
Speaker 2: I don't mean to speak in sweeping generalizations about your
Speaker 2: life and career, but it's like you have had all
Speaker 2: these different chapters and seasons that like it would lend
Speaker 2: itself very interestingly in terms of the variety of it.
Speaker 2: It's like you get a pop song here, you get
Speaker 2: like a like a rock song.
Speaker 1: Here, you get like.
Speaker 3: Saying, Taylor Swift still errs for me. No, No, that's.
Speaker 1: That's what you just said. I mean, like it's just
Speaker 1: I think I might write this.
Speaker 3: Honest to god, I'm I'm so down to see I mean,
Speaker 3: just going.
Speaker 1: Straight to the great a book, Tony, They're dying to.
Speaker 3: My god.
Speaker 1: Here's the question though, like do you have a song
Speaker 1: from back in the day, because I know my favorite
Speaker 1: and it's because it takes me back to literally like
Speaker 1: my childhood bedroom, which I want to be with you.
Speaker 1: It was so like it allowed me, like I don't know, well, wow,
Speaker 1: like a little gay kid to like act out those
Speaker 1: feelings that like you had to like not have or
Speaker 1: talk about with anyone, but like having a crush like
Speaker 1: not to quote another one of your songs, which is
Speaker 1: literally that, but like that was like I'm surprised that
Speaker 1: maybe people don't like tell you this more, but like
Speaker 1: very very formative and memorable from like being like a
Speaker 1: kid experiencing that song. Like it's very evocative, and your
Speaker 1: voice has like always been so evocative, so it's not
Speaker 1: surprising that you did the Disney Princess things, because you
Speaker 1: have such a color, there's so much color in your voice,
Speaker 1: and you're such an actress like you've always been in
Speaker 1: the way that you say.
Speaker 3: Ease, Louise, thank you. That's so kind of.
Speaker 1: You, what I do mean it, And like I wonder
Speaker 1: if you have a song that's like from back then
Speaker 1: that like if you had to sing it now, like
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be too mad.
Speaker 3: I want to be with you. I feel very similarly
Speaker 3: to you that like it really echoed what was happening
Speaker 3: in my real life. I was sixteen when I recorded that,
Speaker 3: like totally, it very much mirrored exactly where I was
Speaker 3: at that juncture of my life. So I think back
Speaker 3: on it really fondly as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about how coverage was you were nineteen
Speaker 2: eighteen or nineteen to go into that endless vault of
Speaker 2: like I can really pick anything to cover, Yeah, but
Speaker 2: it was such a well curated set songs that, like
Speaker 2: at nineteen is like incredibly wise beyond your years, as
Speaker 2: they say, I'm like, I've just always been curious about
Speaker 2: and coverage can lead us into the Zanga question because
Speaker 2: I feel like coverage was around when the Zanga popped up.
Speaker 3: Got it so okay, but don't answer yet.
Speaker 2: But first I want to know, like what went into
Speaker 2: Do you remember what went into like selecting those songs?
Speaker 3: Well, I knew that I was sort of at the
Speaker 3: end of my relationship with my record label, like I
Speaker 3: had one record left to give them, and because there
Speaker 3: hadn't been like tremendous success, it kind of allowed me
Speaker 3: the freedom to do something like this and just to
Speaker 3: come with them, like come to them with this idea,
Speaker 3: like I'm going to do this cover record, and then
Speaker 3: that's my obligation fulfilled. But I really loved this idea
Speaker 3: of taking music that I had discovered over those last
Speaker 3: few years and introduce it to people my age and
Speaker 3: maybe a slightly different package, you know than the original songs,
Speaker 3: and then maybe that would influence younger people to like
Speaker 3: go and discover Joe Jackson and John Hyatt and Joni
Speaker 3: and Carl and stuff. I mean, it didn't necessarily work
Speaker 3: in that way, but it still exists in the world.
Speaker 3: And I'm like I had to put out a record
Speaker 3: with like a Todd run Grid cover like it was.
Speaker 3: It was so much fun and I like checked that
Speaker 3: box with the label and said my goodbyes and like
Speaker 3: moved on. So it was it was kind of perfect
Speaker 3: yea class.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that will also forever be such a chic choice.
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying. I've done. Was it two
Speaker 1: albums at that point?
Speaker 3: I maybe three? I think.
Speaker 1: So then you do this album that's just like your
Speaker 1: contemporaries of the time, which everyone sort of was saying
Speaker 1: at the time, it's like it's Brittany, it's Christina. More
Speaker 1: like you probably felt a type of pressure to like
Speaker 1: compete with.
Speaker 3: Them, or that they they were always in such a
Speaker 3: stratosphere like above me and beyond me that I never
Speaker 3: felt that competition. I always knew that I was like
Speaker 3: my record label's answer to them or sort of, but
Speaker 3: because they were so wildly successful and I never really
Speaker 3: reached it in quite the same way that it gave
Speaker 3: me more freedom. So I didn't feel that intense pressure
Speaker 3: of like, now, how do I follow up Candy. It's
Speaker 3: like Candy did what it did, but it wasn't you know,
Speaker 3: some of those my contemporaries like huge hits, and that
Speaker 3: allowed me to do stuff like coverage.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know, yeah, so can I now ask, yes anymore?
Speaker 2: Was that your zanga page?
Speaker 3: I was positive you werena y.
Speaker 1: So positive.
Speaker 3: I'm really sorry, are you Okay? Wait wait can you
Speaker 3: tell me more about this and tell me the years.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you whatever you want.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: So coverage was two thousand and three. Yes, that was
Speaker 1: like two thousand three.
Speaker 2: I remember, like it was sorry, it's like so the
Speaker 2: design was like it looked like it was from like
Speaker 2: the label.
Speaker 1: Had set it up for you. It was.
Speaker 3: I literally tried to Google it and was like I
Speaker 3: misspelled it. It was I was like, what is.
Speaker 1: This a mga?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: It was of the day of like live it was,
Speaker 2: and actually the pre live journal, I want to say. Okay,
Speaker 2: two thousand to two thousand and three four was like
Speaker 2: the heyday. So you would just have your you know,
Speaker 2: this was back when the blogs were called weblogs.
Speaker 3: Yep, sure, and you.
Speaker 1: Would just like post an entry like a day was
Speaker 1: like your little digital diary every day. It was not
Speaker 1: every day?
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, whoever kept this?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 3: But can I just say the only the only thing
Speaker 3: that gives me pause is that I did, like I
Speaker 3: was very involved in like message boards and writing stuff.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, I wonder if this was something that
Speaker 3: I'm just because we're talking twenty years ago, if I'm
Speaker 3: just misremembering, like I would write something, send it to
Speaker 3: someone on the labe to the label or something, and
Speaker 3: they would post it, like I think it was back
Speaker 3: in the day where that was still like kind of
Speaker 3: rudimentary Internet. I definitely wouldn't have known really how to
Speaker 3: use that, totally totally so because the phrase that you mentioned,
Speaker 3: which was did feel very unbre Yes. So all of
Speaker 3: this gives me pause. I'm like, I didn't I don't
Speaker 3: remember Zenga. But I'm also like, maybe I'm real and
Speaker 3: like I did keep track of like hey I'm on set. Hey,
Speaker 3: this is what I'm doing with my day. I'm so
Speaker 3: there is something that feels vaguely familiar. I wish I
Speaker 3: had like a concrete answer. Ye, it's a maybe.
Speaker 2: Wow, or it's like a Schirdinger's cat, like it's kind
Speaker 2: of in this existence quantum state of like correct quantum state.
Speaker 3: If someone out there is like, no, I'm going to
Speaker 3: come forward and say I was the author, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean?
Speaker 1: But I have to say, if you are that person,
Speaker 1: you lock them up the shadowing you so closely. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that they had young impressionable children thinking that Mandy Moore
Speaker 1: was live learning.
Speaker 2: This is exactly out of a Satoshi con movie called
Speaker 2: Perfect Lay, which I told you to see. It's this
Speaker 2: pop star who transitions from pop to TV. Oh wow,
Speaker 2: this is like in the nineties late nineties. She transitions
Speaker 2: in Japanese movie animated movie. She transitions from being in
Speaker 2: a pop girl group too going on a television show,
Speaker 2: and then like one of her stalkers writes a blog,
Speaker 2: starts a blog writing in her voice, and she reads
Speaker 2: it and she kind of gets confused about like what
Speaker 2: her own experiences versus what someone else is like writing
Speaker 2: for her to put it mildly. But at one point,
Speaker 2: whoever this person was, did write in your voice saying
Speaker 2: all of you guys saying that it's not me in
Speaker 2: the comments, all of you guys not believing that it's
Speaker 2: actually you guys are so silly.
Speaker 3: That was not meat.
Speaker 1: I'm dying that is so I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Were all scared to death? Now, Like, did I just
Speaker 2: like put something? Did I just really terrify us? Okay, great,
Speaker 2: this is twenty years ago.
Speaker 3: But also like, how sad? Why do we do that.
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: The thing is, though I felt a deeper connection with you,
Speaker 2: even though it wasn't even you, Like what does that mean?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I think we're talking about
Speaker 1: a time too where you weren't just like famous people
Speaker 1: were so famous, Like I remember, like when there was
Speaker 1: that pop idol worship of the late nineties, only two thousands. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that had to feel cuckoo banatas it did.
Speaker 3: But also like I feel like it would be crazier
Speaker 3: to be a young person finding success now now the
Speaker 3: access people have via social media. It's like that's the difference.
Speaker 3: Like that was the only platform in which like you
Speaker 3: could receive communication from someone, right besides like watching them
Speaker 3: on entertainment tonight or like on a premiere red carpet
Speaker 3: or something, or reading about them in a teen magazine
Speaker 3: once a month. Like there was so like little information
Speaker 3: out there about people that we lived and died by,
Speaker 3: like the little morsels that we would get. Yes, and
Speaker 3: now it's such a wild different world. I wouldn't know
Speaker 3: how to navigate being a young person with like all
Speaker 3: of the just like just the content that's constantly out there.
Speaker 3: There's no prime there's no you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: Right now instead of a more soul, it's like everyone
Speaker 2: is expected to throw out like the full pig, every
Speaker 2: soule hog, you know what.
Speaker 3: I mean, all the time, constantly, there's never enough to
Speaker 3: satiate people.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And it also feels like even in the work,
Speaker 1: like because back in the day, it's like you could
Speaker 1: sing Candy or Brittany could sing Baby One more Time,
Speaker 1: or Christina could have Jenie in a bottle and it
Speaker 1: would just be like a song, like a pop song.
Speaker 1: And nowadays it's like Olivia Rodrigo and like the young Girls.
Speaker 1: Now it's like it all feels like it has to
Speaker 1: be part of a larger narrative about them, and we're
Speaker 1: so aware of the narrative in a way that has
Speaker 1: to feel I would imagine as at the very least
Speaker 1: like a little disorienting, if not like very very almost
Speaker 1: like dysmorphic in terms of your own image. Correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's such a good observation. Yeah, it's different. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: things existed in such a like particular box. Like I
Speaker 3: think I was very much allowed to be a normal
Speaker 3: fifteen year old and go to the Beverly Center with
Speaker 3: my friends or go to Universal studios or like hang
Speaker 3: out and be a teenager and then like put the
Speaker 3: work hat on and be, you know, have the adult
Speaker 3: responsibilities that my friends didn't have. I had like the
Speaker 3: best of both worlds, where I just don't know if
Speaker 3: that's possible. And quite the same way.
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, sure you were they encouraging of you moving
Speaker 1: intacting or was that something that you were like, I
Speaker 1: really really want to do this.
Speaker 3: I really wanted to do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't think like record label was really aware. They
Speaker 3: didn't really care. But the other like folks in my
Speaker 3: sort of immediate orbit and my parents and stuff like,
Speaker 3: they all knew that that was something I had my
Speaker 3: eye on.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, nice.
Speaker 1: Well, remember it was the first movie, right, Princess, you
Speaker 1: were the villain.
Speaker 3: The villain. You were the villain.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Any memories from young Anne Hathaway and
Speaker 1: you on set an adversarial relationship.
Speaker 3: I remember her like walking into the trailer, always singing
Speaker 3: in the morning. She was trying to flex on you
Speaker 3: many No, not at all. It was just like she
Speaker 3: was just sort of happy and like just like doing
Speaker 3: little vocal trills and stuff like. It was very it
Speaker 3: was very cat It was really.
Speaker 2: Cute, and then he had Sandra yelling at you to
Speaker 2: get off the iconic the best two people I love
Speaker 2: the most, just like interacting with each other.
Speaker 1: And movie holds up, and I guess now they're doing
Speaker 1: a third one. You should absolutely come in.
Speaker 3: People have asked me, They're like, so you're gonna be
Speaker 3: a part of it. I'm like, in what way would
Speaker 3: that make any sense?
Speaker 1: I don't know. We could make a big choice where
Speaker 1: your character is like the president or something big swing swing.
Speaker 1: We should write that too. We're gonna write that. Listen,
Speaker 1: if there's not a script, come on, give us a
Speaker 1: crack at it. Please, come on. I mean we watch that.
Speaker 1: We have to do it. We have to do it.
Speaker 2: You would watch that and in that one correct and
Speaker 2: it would maybe.
Speaker 1: Be in the jukebox musical.
Speaker 3: Yes, I love it. Anything you guys put your hands.
Speaker 1: On famous last words. But wait's okay. You do Princess
Speaker 1: Diaries and then you have your first lead role, which
Speaker 1: to remember, So is it something were you, even at
Speaker 1: that age are reading scripts talking about I like this
Speaker 1: or I like that they okay.
Speaker 3: And going on meetings and auditions and all of that.
Speaker 3: For sure. Yeah, but I had read of course, this
Speaker 3: Nicholas Sparks book. It was like targeted for someone like me,
Speaker 3: my age, and I was like, I have to do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I had an audition and then I had a
Speaker 3: screen test with Shane and Adam, our dear friend Adam,
Speaker 3: and that was it. Wow, the book was period, right fifties. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh you know what, I think that that movie had
Speaker 1: such a stronghold on my attention at that time that
Speaker 1: I did read the book and that was a big
Speaker 1: difference that was in the past, right, Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you remember how long that shoot was? Was it
Speaker 2: like five weeks or is that it was I want.
Speaker 3: To say, maybe like two months. Maybe it's a tiny
Speaker 3: bit longer. Yeah. In Wilmington, North Carolina, it was so
Speaker 3: much fun.
Speaker 1: There's nothing like I mean, just the ending, like uh,
Speaker 1: I can't see him, but I can feel and then
Speaker 1: like cry playing. It's so icon So when when you
Speaker 1: watch that in the movie theaters where you're like you
Speaker 1: kind of got.
Speaker 3: No. I just it was such that experience left was
Speaker 3: such an indelible mark on me. It was like, do
Speaker 3: you guys ever have that like summer camp experience where
Speaker 3: you're like, I will do anything to relive that and
Speaker 3: you just like push that bruise just to feel it,
Speaker 3: just to remember what it felt like. That was the
Speaker 3: first experience I'd ever had with like, I don't know
Speaker 3: if anything's ever going to feel like this again, like
Speaker 3: the people the material, like how much it meant to us,
Speaker 3: and then in turn, for like young people specifically to
Speaker 3: find it and for them for it to resonate so
Speaker 3: deeply with them and continue to resonate like next generation
Speaker 3: after generation. Now it's somehow finding that film that was
Speaker 3: I'll just I'll never forget that feeling. It's like you
Speaker 3: just you're like, I'll chase that for the rest of
Speaker 3: my life feeling that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, what is it about that movie? I mean,
Speaker 2: besides like the quality of it, but is some like
Speaker 2: invisible force there that like drives someone like me to
Speaker 2: like watch the commentary multiple times?
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I talked about this when we were like tasking about you,
Speaker 2: like you and Shane and Adam Shankman just not really
Speaker 2: even caring what's going on screen, just and be like, oh,
Speaker 2: Daryl Hanna's wig is crazy, and.
Speaker 3: It was it was the I remember, even at the
Speaker 3: time I was like this.
Speaker 1: Is normal human. I think what it so clearly was
Speaker 1: was the chemistry between you and you have you obviously
Speaker 1: it's a compliment to you, but also like you seem
Speaker 1: to have really great chemistry with a lot of your
Speaker 1: leading men, but like a lot of your co stars,
Speaker 1: like you really do you you find a connection as
Speaker 1: a viewer and like almost everything you do, like you
Speaker 1: seem very like committed and connected to your scene partner.
Speaker 3: That's that is very beginning. I mean, let's say Shane
Speaker 3: was a tremendously easy person to pretend to be in
Speaker 3: love with it as a screen do you know those
Speaker 3: lines blur and you're like.
Speaker 1: This, I was gonna ask, Yes, it's such.
Speaker 3: A crush on him and.
Speaker 1: Ends like even when you're an adult on a movie set,
Speaker 1: like we know, but like.
Speaker 3: That's there's like an electricity, that's something that like bubbles
Speaker 3: up there for sure, and then hopefully it translates on screen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then like your body just doesn't really know
Speaker 2: the difference most of the time though, yeah you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. Yeah, it's like it is just like
Speaker 2: a somatic response of like oh, like yeah, Lena Dunham
Speaker 2: was saying this one time, like she would like have
Speaker 2: a megazzee with someone and then like go home and
Speaker 2: be like I'm in love with that person?
Speaker 3: Do I really like.
Speaker 1: In love with them?
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, what is It's what a funny little business,
Speaker 3: funny world. We're in the.
Speaker 1: Only kissing scene I've ever done on camera was with
Speaker 1: a straight guy, and I remember I felt like a
Speaker 1: little robbed of that. I was like, because no matter
Speaker 1: how hard I.
Speaker 3: Try, one day, one day, yeah, yeah, yeah, one day
Speaker 3: I see that for you.
Speaker 1: Anyways, I have to say, like when you do walk
Speaker 1: to remember and like, because I remember the response at
Speaker 1: the time was like, oh hey, red alert, red Alert,
Speaker 1: one of the pop girlies is actually good at this
Speaker 1: and like and like, okay, this is happening here right there.
Speaker 1: So then comes like Saved, which is so iconic, and
Speaker 1: you keep going there's chasing Liberty, et cetera. And then
Speaker 1: like fast forward to now you're this like Emmy nominated actress,
Speaker 1: Like is that what drives you in terms of careers,
Speaker 1: Like you're looking for acting stuff or are you generally
Speaker 1: still open to everything? I know you did release an
Speaker 1: album a couple of years ago, but like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean acting I think is the thing that's
Speaker 3: always pulled me, and music has always felt like my
Speaker 3: side piece, Like it's the thing that my side piece
Speaker 3: that I'm like most passionate about. Probably but because I
Speaker 3: never found the same sort of success, nor did I
Speaker 3: ever have aspirations of like wanting to do like arena
Speaker 3: tours or anything. I was like, I don't want to
Speaker 3: make that kind of music, gotcha. It's always just sort
Speaker 3: of existed in its own little box, which is great.
Speaker 3: It's like I can lean on it when I want
Speaker 3: and I'm looking to be creative and there's not a
Speaker 3: lot percolating in the other areas of my life. But
Speaker 3: but acting has been the thing that's like really creatively
Speaker 3: I think sustained me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, now I'm waiting for in seven months you
Speaker 1: release like a huge arena. It's like you representation, like
Speaker 1: with a shaved head, which stomping out like.
Speaker 2: I feel like, I mean, is it fair to say
Speaker 2: that like you kind of got swept up in the
Speaker 2: music to begin with, Like within a year of like
Speaker 2: you being like discovered, was it like like just growing
Speaker 2: up in Orlando and the like, it was like, hey,
Speaker 2: we got songs for you, Yes, And then like within
Speaker 2: a year you're like touring with them, saying yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Went from I remember watching in Sync, like I have
Speaker 3: very visceral memories of watching their like remember that Merry Christmas,
Speaker 3: like watching like getting ready to go to school, almost
Speaker 3: done with like or like how through my freshman year,
Speaker 3: just about to leave to go start recording my first
Speaker 3: record and cut to like six months later opening up
Speaker 3: for them on their summer Amphitheater tour.
Speaker 2: Looking back now, like twenty plus years into the future
Speaker 2: from that moment, what is like the takeaway? Like is
Speaker 2: it like whoa, what the hell kind of rapturing was that?
Speaker 2: Or like, obviously you're grateful that like it'll happen, but
Speaker 2: like on some level, like does that inform like the
Speaker 2: relationship with music now where you're like that was something
Speaker 2: that was like happenstance a little bit, and like now
Speaker 2: I get to actually decide sure how I want to
Speaker 2: like move forward.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm, like you said, incredibly grateful for
Speaker 3: this absurd opportunity of getting like plucked from obscurity and
Speaker 3: given this like platform. But sure now twenty years removed
Speaker 3: from all of that, almost twenty five years to think
Speaker 3: like I can make my own choices creatively, like I
Speaker 3: can make music when I want to, when I like
Speaker 3: I feel inspired to. Again, like that to me is
Speaker 3: the metric and measure of success.
Speaker 1: You know, this might be a good place with the question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you mentioned growing up. The one centerpiece question we
Speaker 1: ask here on Lost Colature is Manny Moore, what was
Speaker 1: the culture that made you say culture was for you?
Speaker 1: So this meaning that thing that you can look back
Speaker 1: and you're pretty positive like you started to form in
Speaker 1: a personality, your personal way around that thing.
Speaker 3: I think it was Disney movies.
Speaker 1: Oh thank god, and that how wait, how well did
Speaker 1: that work out?
Speaker 3: The Little Mermaid specifically was like the thing I remember
Speaker 3: being about six, and that coincided with seeing like my
Speaker 3: first play my school did, like the sixth graders put
Speaker 3: on a production each year at like the big touring
Speaker 3: theater where all the Broadway shows came through, and they
Speaker 3: did Oklahoma, and I very again viscerally remember like being
Speaker 3: in a seat watching the girl who was Laurie saying, Oh,
Speaker 3: what a beautiful morning, and I was like, I looked
Speaker 3: around at the audience like in awe of how great
Speaker 3: she was, and I was like, I'm doing that. And
Speaker 3: then I like would go home and I'd sing along
Speaker 3: to the Little Mermaid like that time was just like
Speaker 3: very formative, and Little Mermaid led to obviously like Beoting
Speaker 3: the Beast and Aladdin, and I was like, I have
Speaker 3: to do this, like the music, the acting. Like there
Speaker 3: was something about the combination of both that I was like,
Speaker 3: this is this is what I have to do.
Speaker 1: Wow, oh amazing. Was this Orlando at the time?
Speaker 3: Orlando?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like and Disney itself kind of looming being
Speaker 2: in the air, Yeah, in the backyard factors in a
Speaker 2: little bit.
Speaker 3: Ish, Like I had no idea that the Mickey Mouse
Speaker 3: Club existed or like what that was until years later.
Speaker 3: So I just like randomly happened to truly just be
Speaker 3: a kid from Orlando. I had no like other connections
Speaker 3: to like the business or anything. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then so I mean years later, do they
Speaker 1: come to you with Tangle?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: No, I auditioned you did, Yeah, And I was terrified.
Speaker 3: I was like, ugh, what, like this is all I've
Speaker 3: ever wanted my opportunity to fall dreams And you know,
Speaker 3: like Disney wasn't doing musicals then they had really like
Speaker 3: sort of gone away from that. And then like the
Speaker 3: Princess and the Frog I remember, was like the first
Speaker 3: sort of forway back into like the classic Disney musical,
Speaker 3: and then Tangled this Rapunzel story was the next one,
Speaker 3: and I was terrified. I just had this album that
Speaker 3: you mentioned earlier called Amanda Lee come out, and I
Speaker 3: was like, well, maybe that'll bode well, Like they can
Speaker 3: listen like I am a musician, I am a singer,
Speaker 3: like they'll be able to reference that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I just remember like going in for the initial
Speaker 3: audition and it was terrifying. And then I was in
Speaker 3: New York and I had to go in with Alan
Speaker 3: Mankin in New York and like sing some songs with
Speaker 3: him at the piano, yeah, which was also terrifying. Guy, Yeah, exactly, Yeah,
Speaker 3: Beauting the Beasts like all of that, like classic Disney,
Speaker 3: And so I somehow got the part.
Speaker 1: But then when you get in the room and it's
Speaker 1: you and Alan, does it somehow melt away and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden become fun like oh yeah yeah, and
Speaker 1: you're like whoa, Like.
Speaker 3: You were at Capitol rec down the street like performing
Speaker 3: doing I See the Light, like with an orchestra with
Speaker 3: Alan Mankin, like the first time that Zach Levi, who
Speaker 3: plays the male lead in the film, like that we
Speaker 3: actually work together, sang it together. Yeah, in separate rooms,
Speaker 3: but I mean for the rest of like a movie.
Speaker 3: I mean, you guys have all done animated stuff. It's
Speaker 3: like you're by yourself. You're yeah hard, it's so hard.
Speaker 3: You're doing your lines with a director sometimes just by yourself,
Speaker 3: like multiple times. So to like have the chance to
Speaker 3: actually sing that song a duet with him.
Speaker 1: Was the orchestra there, that's Jesney. You can do it
Speaker 1: like that. I feel like with the budget wise, like yeah,
Speaker 1: you see do you see videos of them like creating it,
Speaker 1: Like I believe for Frozen they released videos of like
Speaker 1: Adina singing whatever song it was, and like there's people
Speaker 1: there like Adina and Kristen in the room together like
Speaker 1: that was. I mean, it's.
Speaker 3: Magical, it is. Yeah, It's like that's what it should
Speaker 3: be if it's Disney. So you're doing it right. When
Speaker 3: you go to Disney.
Speaker 1: Now do they roll out the red carpet?
Speaker 3: I feel like you get your sort of opportunity to
Speaker 3: have a tour guide everything. Okay, But so I'm just
Speaker 3: like waiting for my kids to be old enough to
Speaker 3: really appreciate that, and like, you know, I understand my
Speaker 3: my older guy is three, and he just sort of
Speaker 3: like understands. He's like Mama singing, like he kind of
Speaker 3: like he's sort of understanding.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I'm going to say something that could
Speaker 2: be construed a certain way, but I really think that,
Speaker 2: like for all, like the gargantuan success that Frozen is
Speaker 2: was will be like it needed Tangle to like set that.
Speaker 1: I think Tangle needed to succeed.
Speaker 3: In Beaver four, I think so too, Like I think
Speaker 3: it opened the door for the Disney musical Gain to
Speaker 3: sort of come back into fashion. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: And I mean you really bent that whole movie towards
Speaker 2: Rapunzel and like her life and like what she wants.
Speaker 2: And it's just I love that movie so much. I
Speaker 2: still get chills when I listen to the reprise of
Speaker 2: My Life game both of them both well oh yeah,
Speaker 2: but like when she like literally touches Grass for the
Speaker 2: first time, you know, it is so good the way
Speaker 2: that shot kind of works, and like it's just so
Speaker 2: so good. There's a Kingdom Hearts three level that takes
Speaker 2: place in Can we.
Speaker 4: Talk about this, Let's talk about please, let's talk about
Speaker 4: can we talk about that?
Speaker 3: So I had no idea.
Speaker 4: What I was doing for Eric for Eric Oka say.
Speaker 3: What this is because they might not know.
Speaker 1: So I had I had also referenced that and my
Speaker 1: discussion Final Fantasy seven and Rebirth, and it's this big
Speaker 1: triple A video game that's come out that's like been
Speaker 1: you know, anticipated for years and it's now you I
Speaker 1: think you understand that she is one of the most
Speaker 1: iconic video game characters ever.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure.
Speaker 1: Now I'm okayn't at the time, but like at the time,
Speaker 1: it's just Kingdom Hearts.
Speaker 2: This is the crossover game between Disney and Square Enix,
Speaker 2: which was the Final Fantasy Games sort of maker and
Speaker 2: an all star cast truly like Hailey Jolosmon playing Sora
Speaker 2: you know, I hate him Penetier and then Eavid bory
Speaker 2: n As with Squall from Final Fantasy and I think
Speaker 2: they had Oh Condet Kelly what's her name from even
Speaker 2: stevens Oh played you Fee anyways, So then you play Aris,
Speaker 2: so you play Arith.
Speaker 1: What was that.
Speaker 3: Experience like well as a non video game, I just
Speaker 3: I didn't know what I was doing. And I think
Speaker 3: because like it was the first edition of this game.
Speaker 3: I just like went in, did my job and that
Speaker 3: was it, and they came back to me asking me
Speaker 3: to do it subsequently, I think for like the next version,
Speaker 3: but I couldn't because of scheduling, and I guess they
Speaker 3: just like continue to reach. Yeah, but like other people
Speaker 3: have played this character.
Speaker 2: I say, and it's not just because you're in the
Speaker 2: room with me, like you are my preferred voice for Erath.
Speaker 1: Thank you even to this day. The new Girl is lovely.
Speaker 1: There's something new Girl. There's something about Mandy Moore doing
Speaker 1: Erath that is like that just that's that's it, right,
Speaker 1: And like Eric is like the savior of the planet.
Speaker 1: She is like pure, pure, like sweetness and love and
Speaker 1: joy and whatever. A two hour day of work for
Speaker 1: you imbued that character with exactly what it needed. Hans.
Speaker 3: Hans thumbs up, don't you agree, Hans?
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, I'm glad I could give you
Speaker 3: that joye and joy. I'm literally going to live with
Speaker 3: this like horrific guilt and shame that I had nothing
Speaker 3: to do.
Speaker 2: That's plea an ounce of guilt. It's just isn't that
Speaker 2: such a funny story?
Speaker 3: It's wild.
Speaker 1: I wish a way that you like were like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna wait to answer this question. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be such a moment when Bowen finds out
Speaker 1: that it was her and for you to say no.
Speaker 1: So it was so good. I love it perfect. Well.
Speaker 1: I funny you mentioned the guides because I just went
Speaker 1: to Disney the other day because Joelkimbooster, our friend, was
Speaker 1: working for a Hulu thing and they're Disney, and so
Speaker 1: they offered him like a VIP guide and so I'm
Speaker 1: the kind of person that goes to Disney and I'm like,
Speaker 1: sort of, it's me and the guide. We're right here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then everyone asking questions talking to him, We're
Speaker 3: planning the trip, we're doing the whole thing. I've taken you.
Speaker 1: Yes, we went to we went to Orlando and did
Speaker 1: the guide, and like, I love it. I get so
Speaker 1: like in the weeds with like sometimes now I feel
Speaker 1: like I want to be on the app, like these
Speaker 1: crazy apps like you'll you'll know when you have you
Speaker 1: taken your kids. Yeah, yeah, so you know you have
Speaker 1: to be on the app. But no, you have the
Speaker 1: VIP guide.
Speaker 3: Yeah she doesn't, No, I do. I bought the tickets
Speaker 3: on the app once for sure. Yeah, what I'm saying
Speaker 3: is like, oh, looking to see like how long weak
Speaker 3: times are?
Speaker 1: Definitely culture is so it has it's really captured like Disney.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like you have to be down on
Speaker 1: the phone and then you go. And the way that
Speaker 1: I like can activate in it it is by being
Speaker 1: like right here with the guide totally. But the other
Speaker 1: day I went to California Adventure on Saint Patrick's Day.
Speaker 1: It was a beautiful day and I have to shout
Speaker 1: out Jasline, Jasline, you rock. She was our guide and
Speaker 1: she was amazing.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, Jaslyin, is this is the second time
Speaker 2: this week that you've told me of Jazlyin.
Speaker 1: Because I connect with these people, I think about when
Speaker 1: I was a little kid, how much I would love
Speaker 1: like I can't think of anything more than like when
Speaker 1: I was a little little kid. You might remember this,
Speaker 1: like you remember Universal Studios in our land they have
Speaker 1: the Jaws Ride. All I wanted to be was a
Speaker 1: Jaws ride boat the captain Captain.
Speaker 3: I literally am off book on it to this day.
Speaker 1: Wow. And we did a show. We did a show
Speaker 1: at UCB or so you will get wet. Well, you
Speaker 1: will get wet or I played someone who was a
Speaker 1: musical and I played someone whose dream it was to
Speaker 1: do that, and then Bonn Yang played the shark. I
Speaker 1: played Jaws. Yeah. Wow, she was amazing as the shark.
Speaker 3: Damn, I really missed that one. Yeah, you should have
Speaker 3: come to twenty fifteen. I would have. Okay, but Little
Speaker 3: Mermaid is like Rain Supreme for you.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, Dody Benson, something about that tone of gosh.
Speaker 1: We saw her at a gay bar at three am
Speaker 1: in New York City.
Speaker 3: One was she doing on three am?
Speaker 1: It was with her daughters, her daughter's birthday. It was
Speaker 1: three in the morning. We have we just seen sciss
Speaker 1: I wasn't there. You guys had just seen Scissor or something.
Speaker 1: And then you guys went to Flaming Saddle something wild
Speaker 1: like we went to go see like the Sissa concert.
Speaker 1: I think it was my birthday last year, and then
Speaker 1: we went out afterwards. It was three in the morning, and.
Speaker 3: You recognize Jody Benson.
Speaker 1: One of us did, and maybe Aaron Jackson did, Like,
Speaker 1: I think that's Jodie Benson. Sure enough. It was like
Speaker 1: every day taking their turn to kind of go over
Speaker 1: to her and be like, I just want to say,
Speaker 1: you change my life. You being here is an honor.
Speaker 1: Everyone telling her that her presence at the gay bar
Speaker 1: at dam was an honor in her Disney voice.
Speaker 3: Like thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I'm just here with my daughter though bye, like gig eyes,
Speaker 1: like can I just can I just live? And then
Speaker 1: of course like it's blazing saddles, right, flaming saddles. Okay,
Speaker 1: So at that bar, they get up on the bar
Speaker 1: and they like do a little dance and they were
Speaker 1: all little mermaid and I was like, that has to
Speaker 1: be she was living her life for sure, totally imagine
Speaker 1: some musical theater majors have come up and belt.
Speaker 3: It in your face though, Yeah, for sure, how does
Speaker 3: how does that go?
Speaker 1: Usually?
Speaker 3: I mean, I love it, come on, I encourage it.
Speaker 3: For sure. I wouldn't be I wish I were that bold.
Speaker 1: I know. Do you think going back, you would have
Speaker 1: gone to like musical theater school one.
Speaker 3: Hundred Yeah, yeah. I went to a stage door almost
Speaker 3: like the musical theater camp. Yeah. Oh wow.
Speaker 1: What was that like?
Speaker 3: Really formative experience. Yeah. And it's crazy the people that
Speaker 3: you run into in the business who were like, I'm
Speaker 3: an entertainment lawyer, now and I'm a casting director. I'm
Speaker 3: like everyone and I went to stage or I was
Speaker 3: there like a year before you were. I was there
Speaker 3: during your summer. It's like everyone's peppered industry in different ways.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, any any fun people from your.
Speaker 3: Natalie Portman, oh were your friends? No, we were in
Speaker 3: like the Little Cabaret Troupe. I mean she's a little
Speaker 3: she's a few years older than me, which you know
Speaker 3: at that time that it was a huge for sure.
Speaker 3: It's like please, but we were in like the little
Speaker 3: cabaret troupe together where we went and performed at like
Speaker 3: the like free labor at the Catskill Like yes, like
Speaker 3: nightclubs and stuff. It was free labor. Yeah, we like
Speaker 3: went and performed like a two hour show like Medley
Speaker 3: for for a bunch of people at these Catskill hotels. Amazing, hilarious.
Speaker 1: I mean that's a pretty good one. That's a really
Speaker 1: good one.
Speaker 2: Like at a certain age, you were like just jealous
Speaker 2: that you weren't going to stage door right.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think I knew of anything until later,
Speaker 1: but I remember like hearing when I went to college
Speaker 1: it was like, oh I did interlock in. That was
Speaker 1: the other one or I did whatever the fuck like
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it's just all these things.
Speaker 1: And I remember feeling when I was in college like
Speaker 1: it didn't matter what I did, I was going to
Speaker 1: be behind everyone else. And I would imagine that we
Speaker 1: all have that to some extent where it's just like
Speaker 1: you always feel like, well, I can never be this
Speaker 1: because I don't I haven't done that. Like I don't
Speaker 1: know when I got over that, but like I don't know,
Speaker 1: like like those little things of like you we don't
Speaker 1: have like acting training or like so you can't be
Speaker 1: a serious actor, or like did you ever have like
Speaker 1: imposter syndrome?
Speaker 3: Like it all the time? Still? Oh yes, I mean
Speaker 3: I feel like if people say they don't, they're lying.
Speaker 3: Everyone has that to a certain degree.
Speaker 1: I wonder if you ever get to that point where
Speaker 1: you're like not nervous before you start a job, or
Speaker 1: like you don't leave a take and be like, oh
Speaker 1: god on it.
Speaker 3: Maybe if you're like Merril or something like that. I
Speaker 3: don't know, but I kind of like it. It makes me
Speaker 3: feel like I care about something, like the stakes are high,
Speaker 3: you know, if you just like reframe it in that way, Yes,
Speaker 3: that like you just want to show up and be
Speaker 3: your very best. Like it's I don't know, I kind
Speaker 3: of like thrive off of that. I know that, like
Speaker 3: I'm pouring all I need to into something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it comes out of like just accounting for failure. Yes,
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, this could go in a way that
Speaker 2: I don't want it to, and therefore I shouldn't do this.
Speaker 2: And it's dangerous and it's like all these evolutionary like
Speaker 2: lizard brain things that we like think about. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: is a dangerous thing, not like physically, but like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, when I was a kid, I didn't sorry,
Speaker 3: I didn't interrupt. When I was a kid, I didn't
Speaker 3: think about that. Like I I can sort of visualize
Speaker 3: being fifteen and walking on a stage in front of
Speaker 3: twenty thousand people like a Backstreet Boys concert. Clearly that
Speaker 3: audience is not there to see little O Me. They're
Speaker 3: there to see the Backstreet Boys. But I had like
Speaker 3: no fear. If I were to do that now, I
Speaker 3: would ship myself. Like I I don't know what it is.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess it's what you were just saying.
Speaker 3: Like I didn't recognize the stakes at that point. I
Speaker 3: was just like I didn't know what I didn't know,
Speaker 3: So there was just this giant like unknown of like
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go up there, and I love this opportunity
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna you know, and.
Speaker 1: I know my steps exactly.
Speaker 3: Doing the dancing exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fifteen fifteen and then the boys are coming out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, They're gonna fly across the audience.
Speaker 1: Right, were you sort of more in line with the
Speaker 1: in Sync or the Backstreet Boys fandom and you can
Speaker 1: answer now.
Speaker 3: I mean I feel like I was Backtory Boys. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like that was millennium that right, Like that was just
Speaker 3: a moment and they had their show was like in
Speaker 3: the round that it was pretty stellar.
Speaker 1: It was good. Yeah, I think I saw like I
Speaker 1: never went. I wish going back, I had gone to
Speaker 1: more of those types of shows. My first I never
Speaker 1: saw the Spice Girls. I will always kick myself, like
Speaker 1: if they ever reunite again, I will go the one.
Speaker 1: But I guess big pop star I saw. My first
Speaker 1: concert ever was Mariah Carey first concert. Yeah, but like
Speaker 1: I never saw Brittany never. I saw Christina in Vegas
Speaker 1: years later, but like didn't see Backstory Boys or in Sync,
Speaker 1: So I'll never know, like that type of insane fandom.
Speaker 1: But then again, we did go to the aerostour, and
Speaker 1: I don't know how it can get crazy.
Speaker 3: I don't think it gets crazier than that historically crazy.
Speaker 1: Are you a swifty? Sure?
Speaker 3: I will say I don't know her music like well,
Speaker 3: but I cannot imagine the joy that she brings so
Speaker 3: many people like that. That to me, I'm like, what
Speaker 3: an incredible gift to be able to spread that kind
Speaker 3: of joy to the world, Like that.
Speaker 1: Is what is a super power, like a very joy.
Speaker 1: But I think that's what kept me going back and
Speaker 1: back and back with Experience. It's so fun and every.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like wow, to be in control of that
Speaker 3: like collective mood. Yeah.
Speaker 1: There is some sort of charm that happens on the audience.
Speaker 1: It's it is almost like a magic trick, like and
Speaker 1: there's times that she's doing things that you're like, Taylor,
Speaker 1: come on, Like when she points at the audience, She's like,
Speaker 1: let me see what this does. And she points at
Speaker 1: the audience in the crowd screams and you're like, there's
Speaker 1: something about that, but it's really happening. It's just so funny,
Speaker 1: like having that type of of that level. It's like,
Speaker 1: I can't imagine what it's like, but like probably she
Speaker 1: did walk out there and think like another day like
Speaker 1: you did at fifteen.
Speaker 3: Sure. Yeah at that point, yeah, you're like, this is
Speaker 3: my life, this is what I've adjusted exactly.
Speaker 2: I feel like your last album, like writing with your husband,
Speaker 2: must have been like the diametrically different thing from like
Speaker 2: starting out in music, where it was just like Okay,
Speaker 2: it's just like give me what you got, I'll learn it.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, not to discount like your process and like
Speaker 2: making those songs.
Speaker 3: I had no part of that process. It truly was
Speaker 3: an anar person saying you're going to record this song
Speaker 3: on this day at this place.
Speaker 1: This is back in the day. Yeah, there was no
Speaker 1: dy Candy was not like.
Speaker 3: No, that was just like that was a song that
Speaker 3: they had found and you were going to go and
Speaker 3: record it.
Speaker 1: How hard was it for you to go give it
Speaker 1: to me the first time? Or were you kind of like, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna give give it to me.
Speaker 3: Because you gave it. I don't remember. I just remember
Speaker 3: the spoken word part. I'm like, you know who you are?
Speaker 3: Is this weird? It feels weird even I think it's underrated.
Speaker 1: I think it's aged like a fine one.
Speaker 3: I think it's really good.
Speaker 1: I think it's really good, and I think it's up
Speaker 1: there with Christina's Did you want to be the One Tonight?
Speaker 1: Do you know exactly what you like that? You need
Speaker 1: a spoken word? If you're gonna be a pop star
Speaker 1: of that era, you need the spoken word. Bridge.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll take you, and you have it.
Speaker 1: You did it, You got it right of the way exactly.
Speaker 1: You checked the box.
Speaker 2: And I will say before I forget, the video for
Speaker 2: Crush came on one time when we were on a
Speaker 2: family vacation with another family and there's a quick moment
Speaker 2: where you're like fully closed, I might add, just like
Speaker 2: in bed with like the guy, like the love interest,
Speaker 2: just kind of like playfully flirterly, like you know, PG.
Speaker 3: Like very peachy, very PG.
Speaker 1: But the fact that you.
Speaker 2: Guys were lying down in a bed was enough to
Speaker 2: ring every alarm bell for one of the mothers, where
Speaker 2: she was like, no, we're.
Speaker 1: Turning this off.
Speaker 2: And so I I do associate you with like a
Speaker 2: sort of like mischievousness.
Speaker 1: Well I'm not supposed to watch man anymore.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, thank you for imbuing me
Speaker 3: with something I definitely don't have. Like it like I'm
Speaker 3: the most boring vanilla person, so I'll take it.
Speaker 2: Oh, it was like I think you've, like really you
Speaker 2: have a stake in every single area of my life
Speaker 2: from various times, and it's like, so it's amazing to talk.
Speaker 1: That's very special though, because like I will say, like
Speaker 1: for and for some reason, when I say this, it
Speaker 1: sounds pejoriti off. It's literally not like for millennial people,
Speaker 1: like you are truly a pop culture icon. And then
Speaker 1: like to see like like I'm on set with Ray
Speaker 1: Ramano yesterday and I told him like, oh, I'm doing
Speaker 1: it this episode tomorrow on my podcast with Mandy Moore,
Speaker 1: and he was talking about how much he enjoyed you
Speaker 1: and this is us and like, you know, my parents
Speaker 1: are so excited about this because they love this is
Speaker 1: us and like you've really gotten to touch a lot of
Speaker 1: people with your talent, like and that is like that's
Speaker 1: really cool and they're very special.
Speaker 3: Very special. Thank you, guys. I'm gonna remember this day
Speaker 3: for a very long time. When I'm having a low moment,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be like.
Speaker 1: Like I do about this is us Like, was that
Speaker 1: the most challenging thing you've ever done?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think so, Yeah, and.
Speaker 1: That must feel nice for that to be. Like also
Speaker 1: like the most I guess on paper like acclaimed thing
Speaker 1: is like sure, or.
Speaker 3: The most recent at least.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you know what I mean. It's just like
Speaker 1: you get this like big opportunity, and it's like, not
Speaker 1: only is it difficult in terms of what you're actually doing,
Speaker 1: but also a ton of people see it. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: that's a huge, huge hit critically commercially. Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: went for a really long time, and so then you
Speaker 1: have to keep it interesting for yourself and also maintained
Speaker 1: the way they heighten the way it gets difficult, like
Speaker 1: the age range gets bigger, and the way to keep
Speaker 1: it surprising for the audience gets more challenging because people
Speaker 1: are aware of I guess so many words, the way
Speaker 1: it ends like and I would imagine that like that
Speaker 1: has to be looking back on that as like a
Speaker 1: whole body of work, Like is that like the thing
Speaker 1: in your career that you're the most proud of for sure? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's I don't think I've ever been a
Speaker 3: part of something that's been as long running. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: has also touched as many people like that I'm aware
Speaker 3: of as a project like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and also Milo and Milo he never it
Speaker 1: never will get old to me looking at that man. Huh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am not a bad scene partner.
Speaker 1: No, that's what I mean. Like, also, great actor, such
Speaker 1: a good actor, yes, I mean I remember from Heroes.
Speaker 1: He was so good in Heroes.
Speaker 3: Did you ever watch Heroes? I did not. I didn't
Speaker 3: watch Gilmour Girls either, So you had a blind spot.
Speaker 3: I had a real blind spot. I was like, I
Speaker 3: don't know anything about you, but let's like jump into
Speaker 3: being a husband of my Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's probably good though at a certain point, like when
Speaker 1: you don't know too much about someone or like you
Speaker 1: can't be like I'm working right now with Lisa Kudro
Speaker 1: and Ray Romano and like Linda Cardellini, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't understand how I'm going to like not.
Speaker 3: Talk about the comeback act like me towards Scudro.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: But you do it?
Speaker 1: Sure, who's been the number one person for you that
Speaker 1: you're like, I can't even believe this.
Speaker 3: That I've been around, Yeah, that you've worked with that.
Speaker 3: I've worked with Diane Keaton. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 3: was like hard to ever sort of separate, like you
Speaker 3: are Annie Hall like First Wives Club, like I that was.
Speaker 3: That was and she is just everything you want her
Speaker 3: to be though.
Speaker 1: Yeah. She's very warm and also like idiosyncratic, funny, correct.
Speaker 3: But like so deeply maternal I think at her core,
Speaker 3: which is why she's so good at playing a mom.
Speaker 3: And she would also just show up the set in
Speaker 3: like the most incredible outfit, just like the hat, the gloves,
Speaker 3: like at six am when I'm in like sweats and
Speaker 3: like wiping the sleep out of my eyes. She was
Speaker 3: just like in a full look.
Speaker 2: Of a time. She's of a time and a culture
Speaker 2: and like a mindset. We're like, no, like you show
Speaker 2: up in you yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, consummate professional, like yeah this is her world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh man, that is the best. That is a Alzheimer. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Robin Williams, what was that one?
Speaker 3: Wonderful? Same, like never got old being around him. He
Speaker 3: was constantly on which I remember thinking like I wonder
Speaker 3: if that's a burden to feel like you have to
Speaker 3: show up and perform and like be that person that
Speaker 3: everyone expects you to be. Because he was just always
Speaker 3: cracking jokes, like always sort of yeah just on, but
Speaker 3: so lovely really kind as well, just like very very warm,
Speaker 3: very much with like family. Man. I loved loved working
Speaker 3: with him.
Speaker 1: Very cool man.
Speaker 2: I miss yeah, like the culture would just be a
Speaker 2: little bit better.
Speaker 1: I was thinking, I was thinking of myself on SETH
Speaker 1: the other day, like just how easy he made everything look,
Speaker 1: but yet his comedy was so it was so obviously
Speaker 1: comedy right, Like it was like he was playing things hard,
Speaker 1: but it always looked really easy, like in a way
Speaker 1: that Jim Carrey is like too, Like it's like like
Speaker 1: a heightened groundedness yes, yes, like where you realize like
Speaker 1: they are just acting as themselves.
Speaker 3: Sure, and yet it's good for the.
Speaker 1: Camera and works for everyone in real time. Like that's
Speaker 1: a crazy thing to be a lot of plates spinning
Speaker 1: a lot of plates. Yeah, but they did it very well.
Speaker 1: And I am and I am, Oh my god, Something
Speaker 1: you Gotta Give is gonna get rewatched immediately.
Speaker 3: It holds up, it really does. That's one of those
Speaker 3: movies for me, like anytime it's on, I can't, I
Speaker 3: have to watch the whole thing. Her Face Journey when
Speaker 3: she delivers the line to Jack Nicholson, this was.
Speaker 1: Lovely Nights. Oh, and she just.
Speaker 2: Like, are you doing like five different faces within like
Speaker 2: two seconds?
Speaker 1: I can't do it, but it's it's so like it.
Speaker 1: I know. I didn't. You know, I didn't. I didn't,
Speaker 1: it didn't.
Speaker 2: But I watched her performance and something's gotta give before
Speaker 2: we shot by her eye and I was like, how
Speaker 2: do I like portray like heartbreaking this way?
Speaker 1: And she like does that so?
Speaker 3: Well? Oh my god?
Speaker 1: You did watch that Fire Island?
Speaker 3: Yah? Yeah? And I was like, this is such a
Speaker 3: good movie.
Speaker 1: What gets you in? Like? Are you a music person in? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure?
Speaker 1: Do you have a secret artist? No?
Speaker 3: It's like it's weird when I was doing This is
Speaker 3: Us because I had to cry a.
Speaker 1: Lot all the time.
Speaker 3: I would often just be like driving around like with
Speaker 3: my you know, like music on shuffle or whatever, and
Speaker 3: a song would come on and it would just elicit
Speaker 3: some sort of activate something, elicit some reaction, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: I got to remember this one and then lo and behold.
Speaker 3: I would like go back and try to like mind that,
Speaker 3: like what was that feeling that I felt there? And
Speaker 3: if you have some sort of association to a song
Speaker 3: or just listening to something like trigger something in you.
Speaker 3: I'm the kind of person that's like I'll listen to
Speaker 3: it like ten times in a row. Yeah, just sort
Speaker 3: of like get into that place.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, So that's funny that you bring that up,
Speaker 1: because I remember I had there was a crying scene
Speaker 1: in Fire Island, and I really struggled with accessing emotion
Speaker 1: like that, Like it's one of those things where it
Speaker 1: just doesn't come super easy to me. I feel like
Speaker 1: you're very good at it. I don't know about that,
Speaker 1: but I feel like sometimes I'll get so frustrated that
Speaker 1: the frustration makes me cry, and I like, I guess
Speaker 1: I'll just use this. But I literally remember saying to myself,
Speaker 1: I was like, should I watch a walk to remember?
Speaker 1: Because I was like it literally used to solely exist
Speaker 1: for me as an outlet to Yeah. Yeah, yeah, literally
Speaker 1: like just to just to have the thing of like
Speaker 1: I know, it would feel amazing to release the feelings
Speaker 1: I have right now, even if I didn't have words
Speaker 1: for them or words for why I felt like I
Speaker 1: wanted to cry. But it was like there's something to
Speaker 1: that too, like that art existing as like a just
Speaker 1: a release for people. Yeah, again and again and again.
Speaker 1: It was that movie and a movie called Heart and Souls.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know that movie. I don't,
Speaker 1: iconic movie with Robert Downey Junior and Kira Sedgwick and
Speaker 1: Alfree Woodard like in the early nineties. Like one of
Speaker 1: my goals is to like at some point like that
Speaker 1: movie or do something with that movie. It's so great.
Speaker 1: Like there's four people who passed way in a bus
Speaker 1: crash in the fifties and their souls get attached to
Speaker 1: a baby, which is Robert Donney junior, and they're with
Speaker 1: him all the way until he's an adult, and they
Speaker 1: watch him grow up and he sort of becomes like
Speaker 1: this difficult adult and suddenly he's able to see them,
Speaker 1: and you find out that they have to use him
Speaker 1: to do their unfinished business and so like it's about
Speaker 1: like all their relationships together. It's like a comedy but
Speaker 1: very heartfelt and it is such a tear jerker. It
Speaker 1: really is like the definition. And every time like someone
Speaker 1: doesn't know this movie, I ring the bell because I'm like,
Speaker 1: this never talks to me. I think I have, but
Speaker 1: like I sometimes bail on it. You ever have that
Speaker 1: movie like that's just yours. Yeah, and you sometimes bail
Speaker 1: on talking about it because you're.
Speaker 3: Like, oh god, I don't know if anyone's gonna get this.
Speaker 3: What's that for?
Speaker 1: You? Do you have that you think of one top
Speaker 1: of yeah exactly, but like this is this is that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I'm no curious Edric a little bit because we're
Speaker 1: friends with soci her daughter, and I literally said I
Speaker 1: was like hurt and Souls and she was like, oh wow,
Speaker 1: no one ever says that one.
Speaker 3: And I was like, this is what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 3: no one ever.
Speaker 1: Says that one special.
Speaker 3: I got to watch it. It's good, It's really good,
Speaker 3: Like she has this model. I get the end.
Speaker 1: I can't. Everyone watched it. The Reader's Katie's Publish's finalists.
Speaker 1: You're gonna love it. Oh, I guess this is what
Speaker 1: we should tell you. So upcoming is the last Culture
Speaker 1: says Cultural. It's a category called Record of the Year. Okay,
Speaker 1: one of your songs has entered the conversation.
Speaker 3: It has Gardinia. Oh wow, you guys.
Speaker 1: We're we're in rehearsals, rehearsals for Guardinia. We've been rehearsing today.
Speaker 2: We're gonna rip it up on stage because you rip
Speaker 2: it up on that record.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: You opened all the way up and sang that song,
Speaker 1: and the words are on a grounde with your full treest,
Speaker 1: with your full test you gave it.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: I can't believe it's like in contention for Record of
Speaker 3: the Year.
Speaker 1: It is absolutely It's up against tough competitions. Singles Soon
Speaker 1: by Silinas.
Speaker 3: Well, I know that's your that's your jam.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know what else is nominated.
Speaker 2: Oh, I forget, but I think the front runners are
Speaker 2: single Soon and Guardidia.
Speaker 1: Just Guardenia is that is a stand and deliver good
Speaker 1: old fashioned thank you, healthy ballad.
Speaker 2: The wild Hope, Wild Hope, Wild Hope is one of
Speaker 2: your best thank you streamers.
Speaker 3: For a while, it wasn't And what is what that
Speaker 3: just record label?
Speaker 1: Yeah? But that is? Is there a story behind Guardeenia
Speaker 1: at all?
Speaker 3: Like my first heartbreak, which is ridiculous. I just sang
Speaker 3: it at a show a couple of weeks ago, and
Speaker 3: you did. I did. My husband was like, who's this
Speaker 3: person that, like you made love on the floor with.
Speaker 3: I was like, we don't need to know about that,
Speaker 3: but this was like my first love and you know,
Speaker 3: those relationships that loomed so large, and we had gone
Speaker 3: through this breakup. It was so traumatic, and I was
Speaker 3: working in New York and I just remember, like God,
Speaker 3: the poor people that I was working with, like laying
Speaker 3: out the drama of my life as if like it
Speaker 3: was the worst thing to ever happen to anyone, that
Speaker 3: no one else had ever been through heartbreak before. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was ridiculous now thinking back to it, but I just, yeah,
Speaker 3: remember taking like walks through Central Park by myself, like
Speaker 3: having this real just time being in the city for
Speaker 3: the first time, like living there, working there, and trying
Speaker 3: to like heal from this just awful event in my life.
Speaker 1: It's been good.
Speaker 2: Getting to know me more is such a good lyric.
Speaker 2: It's such a good it's great. I mean that was
Speaker 2: that walk till Taylor could run.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if that's not Taylor Swift, that's why it's denominated
Speaker 1: the year. This is huge.
Speaker 3: It's guys, I'm like floored for an almost twenty year
Speaker 3: old song.
Speaker 1: I have to tell you, I was just listening to
Speaker 1: it the other day and I was just like, this
Speaker 1: goes awful in a way that I honestly had forgotten.
Speaker 1: Wild hope. I was so soad. I mean you were sad.
Speaker 3: I was so sad.
Speaker 1: Are you a very deep feeling person? I can tell
Speaker 1: what's your astro sign? So it's your season, your season,
Speaker 1: my season. Yea, congrats for that. Thanks, we just left
Speaker 1: my season.
Speaker 3: We did.
Speaker 1: It was thank you. It was tough this spisy season didn't.
Speaker 3: It was a deliver.
Speaker 1: It was like you ever know when you're in an
Speaker 1: emotional mood and there's not a clear reason why. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like for some reason, I've just been over the
Speaker 1: past like three or four weeks, I've just been a
Speaker 1: little anxious, a little on edge, a little like melancholy
Speaker 1: for like something I can't really pinpoint. I don't have
Speaker 1: to be reasons. I guess you're right right like, and
Speaker 1: I guess that's kind of just like what it is.
Speaker 1: But I'm sorry, sorry, I'm happy we're in your season exactly.
Speaker 1: And I love blaming things on the stars.
Speaker 3: An easy escape, so easy, I tell you, guys. So,
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, I remember seeing you at
Speaker 3: the Emmys. Yes, yes, yes, and you. I remember I
Speaker 3: was with some of my cast I was with Susan
Speaker 3: Watson and she ran up to you guys ran up
Speaker 3: to you guys and took a picture and I was like, wait,
Speaker 3: I know them, Why is she taking a picture with him?
Speaker 3: And then she came up and she was like, do
Speaker 3: you listen to their podcast? I was like no, and
Speaker 3: that's when I started listening.
Speaker 2: Oh my good Susan Collecta Watson, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Were you nominated?
Speaker 2: No, it was Booty Soudy was It was for SNL
Speaker 2: writing was nominated and I had just gotten moved to
Speaker 2: the cast. It was before I spent This is like
Speaker 2: two weeks ago. I gotten moved to the cast. Yes,
Speaker 2: so this is before you got your acting nomination. This
Speaker 2: is you guys were writing when we were writing.
Speaker 1: Okay, well I remembering.
Speaker 3: I remember seeing you guys, and I was like, I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, she really likes this podcast. I must
Speaker 3: listen to it because I know. I was like, I
Speaker 3: recognized you guys, and I just couldn't pin.
Speaker 4: I was like, there's someone, there are people to know
Speaker 4: for us, Like you have to imagine like we're on
Speaker 4: that red carpet and it's like all famous people, but
Speaker 4: then there's you, and it's like a total different thing
Speaker 4: because like of everything we've.
Speaker 1: Expressed, but I remember. The funniest part was you looked stunning,
Speaker 1: you look unbelievable, and then our friend Kristin Bartlett and
Speaker 1: you were in the same dress. No way, yes, do
Speaker 1: you remember? Yes? I think I'm in the same dress
Speaker 1: as a man anymore.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 1: It was really fun. I just remember, like, I think
Speaker 1: that was the first time ever I've been around like
Speaker 1: a ton of Yeah, that was my first big Words show.
Speaker 1: I guess, like, you don't really understand what the ecosystem
Speaker 1: of that is until you're actually there and you're like,
Speaker 1: oh wow, I mean.
Speaker 3: Do I like them? Yeah? I mean I liked them
Speaker 3: because I was going with like my cast and we
Speaker 3: all loved each other, and so it was like just
Speaker 3: a fun excuse to all be together. I think if
Speaker 3: I were just by myself, it might be a different thing,
Speaker 3: because I always feel like an outlier and an outsider.
Speaker 3: But when you're nominated, sure, but still even then, I'm like,
Speaker 3: this is so weird. Did I get caught in the
Speaker 3: fray of this? Like I should be at home in
Speaker 3: my pajamas watching this on TV. Strange to be in
Speaker 3: the audience.
Speaker 1: So it is weird though to watch it and it's
Speaker 1: a show. It's a show, like you're kind of just like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, it's a show, Like we're watching them come
Speaker 1: out and do the bits and do the whole thing
Speaker 1: like it's a production. It's a production. Well, speaking of
Speaker 1: a ward shows June fifteenth, June. Have we said, I
Speaker 1: said on the Today Show, So we said the date,
Speaker 1: we said the date, We have said where it is,
Speaker 1: but there will be performance.
Speaker 3: Stay tuned. Oh god, I gotta be there.
Speaker 1: A pretty good thing if you were.
Speaker 3: There very People's Choice Awards, be there in person. No no, don't,
Speaker 3: obviously don't, but like I would just.
Speaker 1: Fix it for you, for you, we will, like can
Speaker 1: we say we're not.
Speaker 3: I would just come and like say hi and do
Speaker 3: a thing. And they're not going to win over single suit, Like,
Speaker 3: come on, let's be what do you.
Speaker 1: Mean it's such a funny sentence. I'm not gonna win
Speaker 1: over I'm not gonna win over a single suit.
Speaker 3: I know your feelings about that.
Speaker 1: Listen, I'm only half of the voting committee. There's no
Speaker 1: other guy, and he loves GUARDI and I. Where is
Speaker 1: your show?
Speaker 3: A couple weeks ago, I did this weird thing where
Speaker 3: we all sang it Carnegie Hall like my husband saying,
Speaker 3: I sang I know. It was crazy. It was like
Speaker 3: this thing called the Piano concert, and my husband played
Speaker 3: the piano for me and I sang Guardinia and then
Speaker 3: I sang a song that I sang on this is us.
Speaker 1: Oh cool. Yeah, we haven't even talked about only hope
Speaker 1: we even talked about only Wait, Taylor, your husband multi instrumentalist,
Speaker 1: does a lot of instruments.
Speaker 3: So cool, nothing like kind of plays like a little
Speaker 3: bit of everything that's guitar, piano.
Speaker 1: Oh was it kind of over when you realized how
Speaker 1: talented he was, Like you probably were immediately attracted because
Speaker 1: of whatever. And then when someone is that good at music,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like full rap.
Speaker 3: It's full rap, absolutely, and then he's also just like
Speaker 3: the best person ever. Yeah, I really that.
Speaker 1: I doubt person. Wait ask about her line reading what
Speaker 1: you wanted to ask about the line and the gar seat.
Speaker 2: Bell, seatbelt. I mean, I understand that it's nothing, but
Speaker 2: you just tell Shane wants to put a seatbelt on
Speaker 2: and then.
Speaker 3: Right, But it was a very it was a very
Speaker 3: prissy you wait, yeah, very prissy. And I was like,
Speaker 3: how would he not know that's the most important thing?
Speaker 3: To do when you sit in a car put your.
Speaker 2: And then it was like, I mean that scene is
Speaker 2: so important because it's the first time we hear I
Speaker 2: can tell you, but then I have to kill you.
Speaker 2: Like for Jamie to say that is so informative about
Speaker 2: that character.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can tell you, but there's more than what
Speaker 3: meets the eye.
Speaker 1: Yeah, many iconic lines in cinema. Just don't fall in
Speaker 1: love with me that and I am full of christ love.
Speaker 3: Yeah that was a for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so good. That had to be so good to
Speaker 1: be able to play that part too. After you just
Speaker 1: did like the most pious like I'm dying of cancer,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to be in anyone's way. And
Speaker 1: then like and then you get to be like just
Speaker 1: like it's like a.
Speaker 3: Van into a giant wooden.
Speaker 1: Jesus, I don't forget the scene, the scene of you
Speaker 1: like praying like aggressively.
Speaker 3: I was like, this is another level.
Speaker 1: It's a great movie. Turn alone. Shout out Jenna Malone,
Speaker 1: my other Lydia Bennett, I see your sister. Uh we're
Speaker 1: in the Lydia about society. Oh yeah, Andrew and on
Speaker 1: Fire Island would call me his Gennam.
Speaker 3: Malone's Yeah, you're his Jenna, you were his Lydia.
Speaker 1: Is it time? I think it's time time for I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. So I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: Manity is this segment we do? We take one million too.
Speaker 1: That's grinding our ears. And I actually do have something.
Speaker 1: It's more practical in life. It's less of the culture.
Speaker 1: I do feel like we need to start putting where
Speaker 1: our money where our mouth is.
Speaker 3: Oh interesting, this is kind of a call to action.
Speaker 3: I feel wow, there's a timer and everything. I'm very obsessed.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the BTS. And did you see bones three
Speaker 1: two one? He's always counted down. I always count down again? Insane?
Speaker 3: So professional.
Speaker 2: We're time bound here, tunneling in. This is Matt Rogers.
Speaker 2: I don't think so many time starts now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Express lines at the supermarket
Speaker 1: if we're not going to use them.
Speaker 3: Oh so.
Speaker 1: If I see an express line at the Gelsons, at
Speaker 1: the at the whatever it is, and it says like
Speaker 1: eight arms or less and then it's dark, it's like,
Speaker 1: why do it then? Because it's what I'm saying. It's
Speaker 1: just like open the line up for other people. Then, like,
Speaker 1: let's stop pretending we care about those who aren't buying
Speaker 1: bulk if we're not going to care about them. Because
Speaker 1: I'm standing there with one thing, something from the hot bar.
Speaker 1: What I do is I get my lunch every day
Speaker 1: from Glsons. It's the way I want to live my life. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't care what you you or you think about it.
Speaker 1: I go there. I want to buy one thing, which
Speaker 1: is the food on the tray.
Speaker 3: I go, I sit there.
Speaker 1: I'm online for twenty minutes fifteen, and there's a perfectly
Speaker 1: good express line which I have never seen use.
Speaker 3: I don't think so, honey, I.
Speaker 1: Have ever seen the express line use. In which case,
Speaker 1: why are you playing in our face? Five seconds? Have
Speaker 1: some respect for the those who are fru goal. That's
Speaker 1: one minute.
Speaker 2: I think I realized express lines might be like early
Speaker 2: ats culture, and we've just it's no longer of the time,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: The checkout has replaced express something self checkout is.
Speaker 2: Like toorally like up and running, like I think, like
Speaker 2: something's going on retail, not retail, but just like the
Speaker 2: shopping experience isn't a crisis of identity under attack? Is
Speaker 2: under attack because the shopping experience is under attack, especially
Speaker 2: a low culture.
Speaker 1: Number ninety four.
Speaker 3: The shopping experience is under attack.
Speaker 2: I think, like if you're competing with an e commerce
Speaker 2: a way of life of ordering things online, Like I
Speaker 2: think everybody who's running shops and stores is like, how
Speaker 2: do we make this interesting? You just have to think
Speaker 2: at any given time, like, if there's thirty people in
Speaker 2: a supermarket, at least five of those people are buying
Speaker 2: something with eight or just running in there for something,
Speaker 2: why would just put one of the cash register on
Speaker 2: express line.
Speaker 3: They're just enough people working in store.
Speaker 1: Now, you know that's what it is, because that's also
Speaker 1: markedly different. Yeah, understand, we're all feeling this. We're all
Speaker 1: feeling this.
Speaker 3: So sorry, no, it's okay. But I think that's it
Speaker 3: perfectly good. I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel because I'm trying to keep that. I
Speaker 1: don't think so Honey's light. But even that like really
Speaker 1: bugged me because I'm like, I'm there and I see
Speaker 1: ability for it to be used and it's sitting there labeled,
Speaker 1: And also how thrilling as a cash register.
Speaker 3: To be beat beat beep, beep, beep.
Speaker 1: You're gone.
Speaker 3: It's like your day will probably move faster.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm thinking of not only myself and my community,
Speaker 1: which are the shoppers. I'm also thinking about the community
Speaker 1: behind the lace.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Really, I want a better experience for everyone.
Speaker 3: Efficiency.
Speaker 1: Wow, So there we go, open the gates aka the
Speaker 1: lanes the lanes. Are you excited and galvanized to do
Speaker 1: your I don't think so.
Speaker 2: I have one that's like so behind the curve pop culturally,
Speaker 2: But I just find tried something an it I realized
Speaker 2: it wasn't for me.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, great, So I'm excited to expectore this more.
Speaker 1: This is bowianks. I don't think so, honey. And this
Speaker 1: time starts now, I.
Speaker 2: Don't think so, honey. Love is Blind? Season six, This
Speaker 2: most current season, this this recent season. A lot of
Speaker 2: people having a lot to say about the disastrous scale
Speaker 2: of the season and how amazing it is. I was
Speaker 2: into it for three episodes and then I realized, Okay,
Speaker 2: there's something and this is not a knock on religion specifically,
Speaker 2: but there is like a Christian element to it.
Speaker 1: There's a Christian element to it. This is the only
Speaker 1: Christian media I'll watch. Saved, I watch.
Speaker 2: Remember, there's just something about it, like one of the
Speaker 2: women calls herself a patriot, and it took me out.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I love this country, but this woman was
Speaker 2: I'm a conservative, I'm a patriot. And then it did
Speaker 2: take me out of it enough to be like, I'm
Speaker 2: so distracted. I was distracted for another episode and a
Speaker 2: half and I was like, I think I gotta tap out.
Speaker 2: So five seconds please, reader's case pop, this is finalist.
Speaker 2: Let me know if I should keep watching. But for now,
Speaker 2: I think for that reason, and that's what I meant,
Speaker 2: I think you're actually you're gonna be good. But people
Speaker 2: really are invested in this season.
Speaker 1: It's true.
Speaker 2: People talk about loves. We'll talk about Love is Blind
Speaker 2: a lot. I watched that first season with you.
Speaker 1: I've never seen an episode. I've never seen an episode. No,
Speaker 1: I don't participate in Love is Blind, but this is
Speaker 1: I always say this about things, like I said this
Speaker 1: about Housewives for years, and then suddenly there I was
Speaker 1: like it became like a pretty like at least my
Speaker 1: personality right right, right, Like yeah that you just need
Speaker 1: you're right, we got you though. I mean here you
Speaker 1: are saying you watch at least three episodes. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I watched the full first season. It's just something
Speaker 1: about I had no interest in going back, but something
Speaker 1: was so emphatically special about this season that everyone was like,
Speaker 1: you have to watch and I was like, okay, great,
Speaker 1: and then I'm a little just like I don't know
Speaker 1: what my way in is with it, but it's not
Speaker 1: going to be through someone who refers to herself as
Speaker 1: a conservative patriots, as a patriot, which I just you know,
Speaker 1: it's which is like I know that that person exists
Speaker 1: out in the world and she is on these reality shows,
Speaker 1: but like something about like her leading with that like
Speaker 1: was a little bit like it took me out of
Speaker 1: out into the real world where I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: the reason I'm watching this is because of the Yeah,
Speaker 1: so anyway, see, but that's what that's oh so peak
Speaker 1: behind the curtain, the cameras went down. The room is
Speaker 1: too hot. So then we were talking about how sometimes
Speaker 1: discourse about like you know, pop culture things can start
Speaker 1: to mean more.
Speaker 3: It's like you go to those pop culture things in
Speaker 3: order to escape.
Speaker 1: The heaviness because it's frivolous, and so all of a
Speaker 1: sudden someone's like, I'm a conservative patriot and you're like oh,
Speaker 1: I'm back in the real world. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm swimming to the surface aerial style. Exact. All
Speaker 1: I want is my legs or you have your legs, right, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: All I want is my fin It's obviously been too
Speaker 1: long since I've seen it, so I did just go
Speaker 1: on the ride at disney World. The ride is kind
Speaker 1: of flop.
Speaker 3: I should have done I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Honey, the Little Mermaid right at Disneyland California Adventure. It
Speaker 1: sucks because can I tell you what they did? And
Speaker 1: this is the oak Mind virus they took out at
Speaker 1: the end, Ursula like dying violent. I think they thought
Speaker 1: that Ursula's death was violence against women. And I have
Speaker 1: to tell you she was an evil seeds. If I
Speaker 1: ever saw Ursula in person, coming from me, it's on site.
Speaker 1: She's getting punched because I know what she's capable of, murder, devastation,
Speaker 1: absolutely Faustian bargains. But I'm on this ride and literally
Speaker 1: Ursula is like the best part of the movie. But
Speaker 1: she's in two scenes of the ride, and then they
Speaker 1: used to have like the ride ends pretty abruptly with
Speaker 1: like the audio animatronics of like uh, see Eric and
Speaker 1: ms Mama mama. But they're like waving goodbye and and
Speaker 1: like you see like King Tryton like sort of half
Speaker 1: in the water, like saying goodbye to his baby girl.
Speaker 1: And then in the back you see Ursula like like
Speaker 1: kind of getting it in the water. They took that out.
Speaker 1: And so I'm like, okay, so now two things. One,
Speaker 1: if I'm a little baby girl, I'm wondering what happened,
Speaker 1: she's still running am uk. You need that signal there
Speaker 1: was accountability. Can I tell you something with Ursula? It's
Speaker 1: not cancel culture. It's accountability culture. She was doing and
Speaker 1: she got hers, and that's okay, that's okay. It's okay
Speaker 1: that we don't have Ursula in the seas anymore.
Speaker 3: She was a menace.
Speaker 1: She was a menace, and for that not to be
Speaker 1: depicted in the ride, I think is coddling kids. I
Speaker 1: think it's the woke mind virus. And I'm a conservative patriot.
Speaker 1: As a result of my experience on the Disneyland, then
Speaker 1: I know I should probably slay Okay, all right, so
Speaker 1: with that, it's now time.
Speaker 3: I don't think so honey, Well, listen, you guys have
Speaker 3: done how many episodes of this.
Speaker 1: Almost literally almost four hundred.
Speaker 3: So I'm sure someone somewhere along the way has had this.
Speaker 3: I don't think so, honey, but it's something that irks
Speaker 3: me to no end.
Speaker 2: And I was like, and take on it. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: apart exactly, all right. This is Mandy Moore's I don't
Speaker 2: think so, honey. Her time starts now.
Speaker 3: I don't think so, honey. People that take off their
Speaker 3: socks and or shoes on an airplane, oh they are
Speaker 3: you are heathens. We are in a tiny tin can
Speaker 3: on top of each other. The fact that you think
Speaker 3: that I want to think about your feet or see
Speaker 3: your feet or smell your feet is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I get sometimes we're on long haul flights people want
Speaker 3: to like let the dogs out, but it is so
Speaker 3: disrespectful of yourself, of your neighbor. And the thing that
Speaker 3: I find most egregious is when people walk on their
Speaker 3: bare feet or their socks on the dirty floor and
Speaker 3: go to the throat, so sticky, sticky socks, and then
Speaker 3: you have to put them back in your shoes. I
Speaker 3: mean you should just burn them, burn the socks, burn
Speaker 3: your clothes, never go home. Cut your feet off, cut
Speaker 3: your feet off. I just like, I don't know what
Speaker 3: kind of people think that this is appropriate behavior, Like
Speaker 3: it is just chaos on flights now. People are in
Speaker 3: their pajamas, they're bringing pillows, they're taking their socks and
Speaker 3: shoes off. It's disgusting.
Speaker 2: And that's one minute. Oh my god, thinks yes, because
Speaker 2: anytime I.
Speaker 3: See that on an airplane, I'm like, how were you
Speaker 3: raised this question?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: Is that okay?
Speaker 1: Take your shoes off, but keep your socks on.
Speaker 3: If we're like we're talking like we're on a long
Speaker 3: haul flight, how long is long.
Speaker 1: I put my shoes back on if I'm going to
Speaker 1: the bathroom, Well, yeah, can I make sure that everyone
Speaker 1: knows I don't know the the socks, but in my seat,
Speaker 1: I take my shoes off, but please keep the socks.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess it's okay. It's like when I
Speaker 3: see people raw dog and on the floor, but even
Speaker 3: going to the bathroom in their socks, I'm just.
Speaker 1: Like, no, you're going to get pissed on the him
Speaker 1: your sock.
Speaker 3: God knows what. Like it's I have.
Speaker 1: News for you about socks. We immediately absorbed the liquid
Speaker 1: and then that liquid is on your foot. Right, So
Speaker 1: if you think that your sock is a protective barrier
Speaker 1: between you and someone else's.
Speaker 3: You got another thing coming.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe the phrase have you slipped a shoe
Speaker 2: off on a plane for sure?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, we're.
Speaker 3: Not hip, yes, but like I'm also aware of my surroundings,
Speaker 3: like I'm not going to do it if I'm like
Speaker 3: sitting next to someone and I have any qualms that
Speaker 3: like maybe it's a stinky sock and situation. Are you
Speaker 3: a Delta girl. I'm an American girl because my dad
Speaker 3: was an American. Oh well, there you go, your legacy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so like a family thing.
Speaker 2: I did an American flight for one of the London
Speaker 2: trips for work. Not bad, and I will say I
Speaker 2: was like, this is quite nice.
Speaker 3: That was my dad's route.
Speaker 1: Wow, it was.
Speaker 3: It was Lax to London. His like his his like
Speaker 3: last few years. Whoa Yeah, So then.
Speaker 1: Flying was a big deal to him because well because
Speaker 1: he was up there all the time. But also once
Speaker 1: you do LX to London a few times, anything is possible.
Speaker 3: For sure.
Speaker 1: That's a long strap.
Speaker 2: And I imagine like if you're your father is a pilot,
Speaker 2: you can't be a nervous fire no.
Speaker 3: Never. I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. And that's how you feel.
Speaker 1: You can occupy this space of authority of the skies
Speaker 1: where you can say, what is the patrol? You are
Speaker 1: like an air marshal.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm a glorified air marshal, self appointed.
Speaker 1: Self appointed. This is all going on.
Speaker 3: I could, like citizens arrest people for taking their socks
Speaker 3: off on the plane.
Speaker 1: It's clear you would. This is all going in the musical.
Speaker 1: Use is all going to the musical.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're warning to do some casting, Like
Speaker 2: I think there is something to them. There is a
Speaker 2: meta thing here where you're like, I want to get
Speaker 2: out of my own jukebox musical.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, there's more to me than.
Speaker 2: There's more to me than my songs. But then by
Speaker 2: the end you realize, oh, but I really am appreciative
Speaker 2: of what my music part.
Speaker 3: Of my story.
Speaker 1: You're a part of your story. Yeah, literally, I'm in
Speaker 1: Like it's The musical starts with little Mandy like on
Speaker 1: a plane, like looking out the window, and what is
Speaker 1: she singing? She's singing, she says, singing. She is leaving
Speaker 1: a place where she used to live, and she's like, oh,
Speaker 1: missing you can.
Speaker 2: This is the first thought, well, lax to London, would
Speaker 2: you go on that route? Sometimes No, but we can okay,
Speaker 2: so we can't pretend it's maybe trying my best Los Angeles,
Speaker 2: which is like, really good. I'm gonna tell you I'm
Speaker 2: a fan, and it's like, first of all, it's a
Speaker 2: great like this town song. It's one of the best
Speaker 2: LA songs.
Speaker 1: I really do mean to one. Closer is Guardinia at
Speaker 1: from closure is Guardinia.
Speaker 2: But like, but I think little Mandy singing I'm trying
Speaker 2: my best, a very adult, mature song for her to
Speaker 2: be like six years old.
Speaker 1: You can get reprised at the very end.
Speaker 3: You love a reprise.
Speaker 1: I love a reprise. You love a reprise. You did
Speaker 1: two of them, Entangled. You couldn't get enough of this ship.
Speaker 1: She kept asking for her life to begin. She kept
Speaker 1: asking for her life to begin. Well, it began, Rapunzel.
Speaker 1: But I think you were annoyed. I'm not annoyed.
Speaker 3: You were upset with her bundle. You were like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, it began.
Speaker 1: No, that's not that's not what I mean. Donna Murphrey,
Speaker 1: did you ever meet.
Speaker 2: Yes, Oh my god, god, legend, what a legend like?
Speaker 2: And I mean this in the best way, like a
Speaker 2: true like one of our great like minxes to me,
Speaker 2: like just a gorgeous woman. If you can call Stephen
Speaker 2: Sondheim Steve, you're a legend, You're a you are a legend.
Speaker 1: She called that man Steve that they did that pandemic
Speaker 1: tribute to Steven Sondheim. Do you remember that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it was just Donna Murphy like at her zoom,
Speaker 1: like happy Birthday Steve, And I was just like, fuck, yes,
Speaker 1: this is this rocks, this rocks like that is like
Speaker 1: a woman. I would love to hear her Guardiania. I
Speaker 1: would love to hear Donno m that her bottle would
Speaker 1: be spinning at ninety miles an hour.
Speaker 3: I love her song Entangled. Everyon is so good, so good.
Speaker 1: She really gave it everything.
Speaker 3: And also I feel like the character kind of looks
Speaker 3: like her too.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting do that don't they Well obviously with her puzel,
Speaker 1: it's like they had to give her punzel, but don't
Speaker 1: they do that, like they sort of try to run
Speaker 1: a little bit and your stuff. Have they done that? No,
Speaker 1: they had a drawer pinzel. They couldn't put a little
Speaker 1: Mandy Moore in now. But she gets many more hair
Speaker 1: by the end.
Speaker 3: At the end she did, I was like, I have
Speaker 3: that haircut.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3: When her hair gets cut and gets adults, it's very
Speaker 3: like how to Deal Era, Oh my god, Sarah Destin books,
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Alison Janny, Oh that's another one.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: I still occasionally like run into her at events and stuff,
Speaker 3: and I'm like the fact that I didn't know who c. J.
Speaker 3: Craig was when it was she played my mom and
Speaker 3: had a deal amazing, And I just remember like she
Speaker 3: was doing West Wing and she was, you know, had
Speaker 3: like her summer hiatus, and she came and did this movie,
Speaker 3: and then like halfway through the movie she got nominated
Speaker 3: for an Emmy, and like we all sent her flowers
Speaker 3: and stuff, but I had no idea. And then like
Speaker 3: years later, of course, like Devout Where the West Way.
Speaker 1: Of course, I'm like, fuck, it's one of those ones
Speaker 1: that like it'll always be good front.
Speaker 3: To back, oh classic, like number one show for me, Love.
Speaker 1: And truly like one of those performances that's like pretty
Speaker 1: much only one person could do it.
Speaker 3: It feels that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean. Like that's always my
Speaker 1: rubric for like should something like win an Oscar or
Speaker 1: like be like have the stamp for approval of Like
Speaker 1: this thing is like could you see anyone else doing it? Also,
Speaker 1: Jenny has that like five or six times photo. Yes,
Speaker 1: she is one of those like she's just like it
Speaker 1: feels right no matter what it is, like character actress
Speaker 1: but also very idiosyncratic, identifiable brand, but also like can
Speaker 1: do it all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, effortless. Yes, whatever she brings to a role. You're right,
Speaker 3: you can't imagine anyone else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like you gotta Watchrap Dead Gorgeous again and
Speaker 1: Ellen Barkin. It's doesn't get better than that, doesn't get better,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't get a picture of that most smartest.
Speaker 2: Smartest doesn't get better than this episode. Dandy, Thank you
Speaker 2: so much.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you for coming all the way out
Speaker 3: to Los Angeles. I know it wasn't just for this,
Speaker 3: but I'm so honored you made time in your schedule
Speaker 3: for this.
Speaker 1: Guys, of course, literally, I mean we can't say enough
Speaker 1: as you can probably tell, just like, congrats on everything
Speaker 1: and having an impact the way that you have. I mean,
Speaker 1: like you're the best, and we're such fans and guess
Speaker 1: what we're going to exchange numbers yea, and watch this
Speaker 1: space for the Cultural Awards. Yes you might hear this,
Speaker 1: and we end every episode with the song a Life
Speaker 1: scrdliah Lies make Love. If you want to hear more
Speaker 1: of that, listen to the actual song sung by the
Speaker 1: person in front of us, or check out the Cultural Awards.
Speaker 3: Bye Bye, MHM.