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Speaker 1: are you today? How am I today? Well, it's a

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Speaker 1: You know, we've been have a nice weather. Weather small talk,

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Speaker 1: sixteen hundreds, the weather was actually incredibly important topic. And

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Speaker 1: so you come in and be like, m how long

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Speaker 1: You know what else we should move away from? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this conversation, that's right, So we can move towards our

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Speaker 1: episode today. Yeah, we told y'all in part one all

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Speaker 1: about Robert Dudley, Lord Robert Dudley and Queen Elizabeth the

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Speaker 1: first long history together and the murder mystery surrounding Robert's

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Speaker 1: wife Amy robs Heart, which of course we decided was

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Speaker 1: first Amy clearly went into the bathroom in the dark. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: very happy. We got a review, a new review where

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Speaker 1: of Bloody marries Yill even years years later. That mays

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Speaker 1: me feel a little bit better about my silly paranoia. Well, anyway,

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Speaker 1: the aftermath of all that Amy Rob's Heart stuff is

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Speaker 1: just as interesting. There's really clearly never a dull day

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Speaker 1: in Queen Elizabeth's court. Robert had several interesting lady love

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Speaker 1: suitors herself. It's basically tutor tender around there. Wow. Um. Plus,

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Speaker 1: there's so many wild theories about the Virgin Queens to

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Speaker 1: played out with our star Cross lovers yeah, let's go. Hey,

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Speaker 1: their friends come listen. Well, Elia and Diana got some

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Speaker 1: stories to tell. There's no matchmaking a romantic tips. It's

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Speaker 1: just about ridiculous relationships. A lover might be any type

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Speaker 1: But if there's a story with the Second Clans ridiculous

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Speaker 1: role mass a production of iHeartRadio. Okay, So, as we

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Speaker 1: free to marry. Finally, my wife is dead. Now I'm happy, happy,

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Speaker 1: basically would have looked like they absolutely did if they

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Speaker 1: causing gossip because they just were so into each other. Right,

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Speaker 1: And in fifteen sixty one, Elizabeth was bedridden with a

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Speaker 1: think the attraction seems to be that he was just

424
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: very witty and intelligent, and he was really capable of

425
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 1: keeping up with her in conversation. He didn't have a

426
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 1: lot of pretension about him right, So they really got along,

427
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: you know, on a personality level. He gave her a

428
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 1: frog shaped earring that she wore all the time, and

429
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 1: she called him affectionate nicknames, either Monsieur or her frog.

430
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 1: Oh no, one is sure if the frog one is

431
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 1: because of the earring or because frog was a derogatory

432
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 1: term for French people at the time. Okay, And like,

433
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 1: I guess she was like trying to be funny because

434
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: because now I'm like, what him? Why is I don't

435
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: know where that came from anyway, And it must be

436
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 1: said that Elizabeth did like a little play acting. She

437
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: loved to get melodramatic, and she was very contradictory. She

438
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 1: loved to fuck with people also, so sometimes she would

439
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 1: like one day, you know, they'd be like, don't marry Francois,

440
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: and she'd be like, oh, it is my one true love,

441
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: you know, and like run off. And then another day

442
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: they'd be like, fine, you can marry him. She'd be like, oh,

443
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: I would never you know. She was just always, oh,

444
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: my god, the world. And of course we already know

445
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: that she was, you know, kind of messing with all

446
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: her pass suitors as well the other foreign princes she

447
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 1: was kind of playing around, pretending to be interested in them,

448
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: but she sort of used it as like foreign policy stuff.

449
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: And this is pretty similar because over the six years

450
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 1: that she and Francois recording, Elizabeth was able to create

451
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: a strong alliance with France and make friends with the

452
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: Queen Mother, Catherine de Medici. And then when she decided

453
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 1: not to marry Francois, it was partly due to how

454
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 1: much the English people would really hate having a French

455
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: Catholic king, but it was also because the French were

456
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: about to get into it with the Dutch, and by

457
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: adroitly kind of extricating herself from an engagement, Elizabeth managed

458
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 1: to avoid England getting involved with this Dutch French problem

459
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: those war's back then, it was just drive me so crazy.

460
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, honey, I'm off to fight in a war

461
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 1: against the Dutch. Oh no, why are we at war

462
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 1: with the Dutch? I don't know. Some lady married a guy,

463
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: and now where all I have to go die in battle?

464
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: Now we all have spears through our eyes. So anyway,

465
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,959
Speaker 1: she might have just been kind of using this engagement

466
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: for foreign policy reason. Yeah, but she did have enough

467
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: affection for Francois to write him a poem when their

468
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: courtship officially ended in fifteen eighty one. So let's go

469
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: down to poetry corner and hear Queen Elizabeth the first

470
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: poem on Monsieur's departure. I grieve, and dare not show

471
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: my discontent. I love, and yet am forced to seem

472
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: to hate. I do, yet dare not say I ever meant.

473
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: I seem stark mute, but inwardly do prate. I am

474
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: and not I freeze, and yet am burned. Since from

475
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 1: myself another self I turned. My care is like my

476
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 1: shadow in the sun, follows me, flying flies when I pursue,

477
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 1: it stands and lies by me. Doth what I have done?

478
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 1: His too familiar care doth make me ru it? No

479
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 1: means I mind to rid him from my breast, till

480
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: by the end of things it be suppressed. Some gentler

481
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: passions slide into my mind, for I am soft and

482
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 1: made of melting snow. Or be more cruel love, and

483
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: so be kind, let me float or sink, be high

484
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: or low, or let me live with some more sweet content,

485
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: or die, And so forget what love er meant. No,

486
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: she's really stuck in the middle here. Yeah, I like

487
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: this poem. Yeah, it kind of shows her sort of

488
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: contradictory nature, Like she clearly feels an internal thing. It's

489
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: not just external forces. Why she has internal contradictions, right,

490
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: also external contradictions. So it's kind of a cool like

491
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: tug of war poems. Yeah, exactly why am I? Why

492
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: am I so stuck feeling you know this way and

493
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: that way? Why can't I just either get what I

494
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: want or not have it? Yeah? I also love I

495
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: seem stark mute, but inwardly do prate. She's like, I'm

496
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 1: not saying a word, but inside right, I know. Right.

497
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: So Elizabeth stayed single and Robert was married to Latise,

498
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: who Elizabeth still paid it, and even when Robert and

499
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: Latise's three year old son died suddenly in fifteen eighty four,

500
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: Elizabeth could not bring herself to forgive Latise, right, but

501
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: she was still very close with Robert himself, and in fact,

502
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 1: he became Lord Stewart in fifteen eighty seven, which meant

503
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 1: he was basically in charge of the palace, like all

504
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: the food, all the sanitization, just everything, like you know,

505
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: non judicial, right, yeah, not legislative. He is in charge

506
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: of the maintaining the whole palace. Yeah. Fun fact, this

507
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: sanitization issue actually in the palace was so bad that

508
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: Robert Dudley sat down and had a conversation about it

509
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: with Elizabeth's godson, John Harrington, who was then inspired to

510
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: invent the first flush toilet. I had no idea dated

511
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,239
Speaker 1: back that far. Um. Is that why we call him

512
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: John's Some people say that, but there's no evidence for that,

513
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: But I think it is. John apparently is like Americans,

514
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: so they're like, they're Americans. Didn't know anything about John here.

515
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: Maybe Americans learned that. We're like, O, why aren't we

516
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: naming it after that guy? He did a great job.

517
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: What's funny too, is that he invented the flush toilet,

518
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: but what he didn't have was the U bend and

519
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: the pipes. Oh yes, we have now, so you couldn't

520
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: avoid the odor. So that was what. But it's so

521
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: interesting that the dates back that far, they had no idea.

522
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: I guess a flush in a stink is better than

523
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: no flush. No flush. That was that was one of

524
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: Asop's fables. I think right, a flush in a stink

525
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: is better than no flush. That's the moral of the

526
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: story today, okay, but the real headline here is about

527
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: a whole other guy, entirely someone who was shipwrecked and

528
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: rescued by the Spanish. They detained him because they thought

529
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: he was an English bye, so they took him to Madrid,

530
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: where he claimed that he was none other than Arthur Dudley,

531
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: the secret love child of Robert Dudley and Queen Elizabeth

532
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: the First What he told King Philip's secretary who interrogated

533
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: him that Elizabeth's governess kat Ashley, had given him as

534
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: a baby to her servant, who raised him sixty miles

535
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: outside of London as a gentleman. But on the servant's deathbed,

536
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: he confessed to Arthur about his royal origins. My boy,

537
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: your whole life. I never told you you're the heir

538
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: to the throne of England. Gotta go have fun with that. Arthur,

539
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: of course, was terrified for his life if that secret

540
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: came out. A real um, a real uh? Who is

541
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: the kid in Game of Thrones? Barrathian? Yeah, one of them?

542
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: But wait us not friend Lee Richard Boris, I don't know,

543
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: Craig Philip, I'm gonna say every name. Just let me

544
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: know when I hit it. I don't know, Samuel, Jennifer

545
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: yep is Jennifer all right, Jennifer Barrafi, thank you. So

546
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: Arthur is scared for his life obviously this if the

547
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: secret comes out, they would definitely like lock him up

548
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: or something worse. So he traveled to Spain, but then

549
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: there he got shipwreck, captured, etc. Etc. Here we are,

550
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: which this is a very simplified version of his story.

551
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: His story was incredibly convoluted. He talked about several people

552
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: that he could name that were in the court that

553
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: were Sir Robert Dudley, that were Lord Robert Dudley's like

554
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: members of his household or his servants or whatever. And

555
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: his birthday, he did say, was fifteen sixty one, which

556
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: would have coincided when Elizabeth had her swelling sickness. Oh

557
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: my good. So there was something, you know, there was

558
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: some details that seemed very plausible, and then some other

559
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: things were like huh, you know, it's a little convoluted.

560
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: So it's a real, very convoluted story he gave them.

561
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: I'm kind of seeing the opening of thor Ragnarok sort of,

562
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: but like it's this guy, it's this Arthur Dudley character.

563
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: In the chair being interrogated by the Spanish. Right now,

564
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: he turns with the camera and he's like, I bet

565
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: you're wondering how I got here. Let me take you back. Well,

566
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: Arthur's story, despite some of these exciting details or whatever,

567
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: did not really impress King Philip's secretary or anyone else

568
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: in Spain. The King's secretary who examined him, he told Philip,

569
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: you know, I think Arthur's a spy, or if he's

570
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: not a spy, the Queen and her quarter are using

571
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: him in some type of way to benefit them, Like

572
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: they're just super paranoid about what Elizabeth's up to. So

573
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: he's like, let's just keep this guy under lock and

574
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: key and prevent him from escaping, just in case he's

575
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: a spy. Sure, And after that, Arthur was never heard

576
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: from again. We still don't know what happened to him.

577
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: He either he could have perished in a Spanish prison,

578
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: or maybe he really was a spy working for Sir

579
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: Francis Walsingham and eventually escaped and resumed his real identity.

580
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: And so there never was on Arthur Dudley to trade. Okay, Now, again,

581
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: historians are also extremely skeptical that he was Elizabeth's illegitimate child.

582
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: They largely agree that she was just too closely watched

583
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: to hide a whole pregnancy, and once she went into labor,

584
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: there's just no way that all the ladies in waiting, courtiers, doctors, servants, midwives,

585
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: whatever that would have been called to help her out

586
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: would have been able to keep that secret to themselves

587
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: for very long. This would have been the most sellable

588
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: secret in the land. They're like, look, we all know

589
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: that the downstairs workers are the most gossipy people in

590
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: the ballast, okay, and if someone offered them the right

591
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: amount of money, you know, so it's pretty unlikely. And

592
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: I kind of agree. I think it at all points

593
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: to Arthur being a spy because his story was so

594
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: convoluted and had some real details and some not real

595
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: so it felt like he was trying to send them

596
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: on a little bit of a wild goose tape, giving

597
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: himself time to gaborbet that's that's what it looked like him.

598
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: I like it. I like it. Speculation station Arthur Dudley

599
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: was his by okay, and his real name. Meanwhile, Robert

600
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 1: Dudley was off all wrapped up with some complicated history

601
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: with the Dutch, and then he was named Lieutenant and

602
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: Captain General of the Queen's Armies and Companies in fifteen

603
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: eighty eight when the Spanish Armada was threatening. But in

604
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: September of that year, Robert Dudley died unexpectedly at the

605
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: age of fifty five. Historians have alternately said that it

606
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: might have been stomach cancer or malaria that killed him.

607
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: Latise Dudley, his wife, was devastated, and of course, his

608
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: side piece, Queen Elizabeth the First, was inconsolable. She actually

609
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: locked herself in her room for several days until William

610
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: Cecil had the door broken down. Yike. Even though she

611
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: never did marry him, historians said, including Sue and Dorian,

612
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: in her book Elizabeth the First and Her Circle, that

613
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: he quote remained at the center of Elizabeth's emotional life

614
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: and that he was likely the one true love of

615
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 1: Elizabeth's life. When Queen Elizabeth herself died, it was discovered

616
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 1: that she had saved Robert's final handwritten letter to her.

617
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: On the outside she had written his last letter and

618
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: she kept it inside a silver casket by her bedside. Wow,

619
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: she really did love him, she really did. But did

620
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: she ever physically love him and they ever got on.

621
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: We're going to get into that sexy story right after this.

622
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show, everybody. Okay, So is this

623
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: a will they won't they never did, or is this

624
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: a Monica Chandler secret sex situation? Of course, we can't

625
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: really know unless we go back in time and drill

626
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: ape pole in the Queen's bedroom, which the super creepy

627
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: of us. Yes, so we won't do it. But on

628
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: her deathbed, according to English heritage dot com, the Queen

629
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: solemnly swore the quote. Though she loved him dearly, nothing

630
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: unseemly had ever passed between them. Okay, and many scholars

631
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: say that she was at most a shameless flirt but

632
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: really never did anything else, really actually did stay a

633
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,439
Speaker 1: virgin her in her life. Okay. But despite the total

634
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 1: lack of evidence that she ever did anything sexual with anyone,

635
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: there are tons of conspiracy theories about her illegitimate children

636
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 1: with a variety of men. Some people thought that every

637
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: time the Queen did a progress, anytime she left the

638
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: palace and went anywhere else, it was covered for her

639
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: to have to give birth to some wow other kids.

640
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: I was like, she's just littering children all over England's

641
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: for something she couldn't walk out the doors people be

642
00:36:54,800 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: like last week, Yeah, well that's so much she's she's

643
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: a really good baby maker. So there's just tons of

644
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: you know, theories about all these illegitimate children she had

645
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: with a variety of men, including Robert Dudley, but also

646
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: her stepfather and her son with her stepfather. Oh okay,

647
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: hold on what now? Yeah, so first let's talk about

648
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,439
Speaker 1: the stepfather. Remember Queen Elizabeth's fathers King Henry the eighth,

649
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: and when he died, Thomas Seymour, who was the brother

650
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 1: of one of Henry's other wives and Elizabeth's stepmother, Jane Seymour,

651
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: wrote to Elizabeth and asked her to marry him, and

652
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Tudor politely declined, saying that, oh, I'll be mourning

653
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: my father for two years, and also I'm only thirteen,

654
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: so I'm probably too young for you anyway. So a

655
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: month later, Thomas married Catherine Parr, another one of Henry

656
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: the Eighth's ex wives, his sixth wife. They had been

657
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: old flames and they were actually planning to get married

658
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: before King Henry the eighth snatched her up. Yeah, Catherine

659
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: was like, I guess it's God's will that I marry

660
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: the king. Right. So Katherine Parr was close with her

661
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: stepdaughter Elizabeth, and she invited the then fourteen year old

662
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 1: girl to come live with her and Thomas. And then,

663
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: according to testimonies from fifteen forty nine from Elizabeth's governess

664
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: kat Ashley, a few days after Elizabeth got there, Thomas

665
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: visited the girl in the early morning while she was

666
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: still in her bed, and he would quote make as

667
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 1: though he would come at her, and she would shrink

668
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: back from him. And the next day she woke up

669
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: earlier to avoid being in bed when Thomas came by,

670
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: but she was still in her nightgown, so he showed

671
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: up bare legged in his nightclothes and slapped Elizabeth on

672
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 1: her butt. Another time, he actually climbed right into bed

673
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: with Elizabeth. So she continued to wake up earlier and

674
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: earlier each day to avoid him, and if she was

675
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: already dressed, he would just say good morning and go

676
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: on with his day. Super creepy, very weird behavior, very

677
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 1: weird behavior, and Catherine Parr did not put a stop

678
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: to any of this. In fact, she would sometimes tickle

679
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 1: Elizabeth alongside Thomas Seymour, and one time she even held

680
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: her down while Thomas cut a gown off her body

681
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: quote in a hundred pieces. It's not clear how she

682
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: held her down, like if she was like it was

683
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: like a friendly hug, or if she's like holding her

684
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: down like this forceful thing. Right, but it's something weird

685
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: like that was she's sort of participating with Thomas in

686
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: this behavior. But then another time she comes into this

687
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: empty room where Thomas and Elizabeth are embracing in some way.

688
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if they were kissing or hugging or what,

689
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: but they were in an embrace, and Catherine Parr was

690
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: heavily pregnant at the time with Thomas's kid, and she

691
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: became very furious at seeing him and Elizabeth together. Okay,

692
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: after that, Elizabeth went to live somewhere else, and history

693
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: extra dot com says it's not clear if she was

694
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: sent away or if she chose to leave. So now,

695
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: with all of this story, some scholars think that Thomas

696
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: Seymour was sexually harassing, if not abusing, Elizabeth sounds like it,

697
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: and that it turned her off from sex forever. That's

698
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 1: what kind of made her go fuck this, Yeah, sounds

699
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: like it. I would believe that, But Smithsonian Magazine points

700
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: out that there was no concept of adolescence in the

701
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 1: fifteen hundreds, and that at fourteen years old, Elizabeth would

702
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: have been perceived as a grown woman, not just by

703
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: other people, but also by herself. Sure, okay. She also

704
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: did have some affection for Thomas. He apparently was an

705
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: incredibly popular guy, like, he's very charming and handsome. Everybody

706
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: liked him. So it's been suggested that she did not

707
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: mind his treatment, that she laughed it off, that she

708
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: even liked it, or that she had a bit of

709
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: a crush on him. I have a hard time with

710
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: this sort of thing because I think women laugh when

711
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: they're uncomfortable all the time as a way to kind

712
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: of be like, oh you please stop. You know, the

713
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: fact that she had a crush on him, people said

714
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: it because she would blush when his name was mentioned,

715
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 1: I mean, which could mean she had a crush on him.

716
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,720
Speaker 1: It could mean that she was embarrassed to think about

717
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: her stepfather coming into her room with her dick hanging

718
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: out of nightgown. I don't know. Yeah, there's a lot

719
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: of ways to interpret that uncomfortable. Yeah, and you. I mean,

720
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: you've heard many times women say, you know how much

721
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 1: easier it is to just kind of roll with it,

722
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: even though you hate what's happening, than it is to

723
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: try and protest or say not. It's dangerous to say no. Yeah. Well,

724
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: Thomas's ambition ended up getting him killed. He was always

725
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: trying to get the young King Edward to name him

726
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: Lord Protector instead of Thomas's own older brother, the Duke

727
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: of Somerset, and one night Thomas tried to sneak into

728
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: the King's room and in the process he woke up

729
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: one of King edwards pet spaniels, who started barking. Thomas

730
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: had with him either a pistol or a knife, and

731
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: he used it to kill the dog. So already he's

732
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: like villain of the week. Hate him, But it was

733
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: too late. The dog had woken up the King and

734
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: his various attendants, who were all like, uh, what are

735
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: you doing in the King's bedchambers with a weapon? Okay,

736
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: So the courtiers decided that he had planned to murder

737
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: young King Edward and then mary his stepdaughter Elizabeth and

738
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: put her on the throne. Now that is supposedly why

739
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: they were asking Elizabeth's governess about her relationship with Thomas,

740
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: because both of them, Thomas and Elizabeth, were under suspicion

741
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: of conspiring together to kill King Edward. So that was

742
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 1: when kat Ashley gave them all these dirty stories about

743
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 1: Thomas and how he treated Elizabeth when she was young.

744
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 1: But it's ben said that kat Ashley, this governess, was

745
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: just trying to make Elizabeth look as innocent as possible

746
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: with her testimony, So she might have overblown Tom his

747
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: inappropriate behavior couldn't look bad to make him look bad,

748
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: So it could just be, you know, these stories that

749
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: we're hearing about the creepy things he did were just that,

750
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: like stories that were kind of inflated a little bit

751
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: to sort of separate Elizabeth from his crimes. I don't know.

752
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: That's another thing where it's like you're trying to throw

753
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: dirt on a good man's name. Yea, there's it's a

754
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: total it's impossible to know for sure. Yeah, but according

755
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: to the Prince Tutor theory, Elizabeth did have an affair

756
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: with her stepfather, Thomas Seymour, had a teen pregnancy and

757
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 1: gave birth to his child, who was then placed in

758
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: John Devere's home and grew up to become Edward Devere,

759
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: the seventeenth Earl of Oxford, who is purported to be

760
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: the real Shakespeare, this guy who you played one. I

761
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: played Edward Devere in a show. Yeah. We'll get into

762
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 1: that in a second. Yeah. So there are a ton

763
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: of Shakespeare scholars out there who think there was no

764
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: William Shakespeare, there's no one guy named William Shakespeare, that

765
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: that was actually just the pen name of one or

766
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: more other guys, other authors. They posit that it could

767
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: be Edward de Vere who we're talking about right now,

768
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: also Christopher Marlowe, Edmund Spencer, or Sir Francis Bacon, who

769
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,240
Speaker 1: was also supposedly the Queen's illegitimate son with Robert Dudley

770
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: and the true heir to the throne. And the truth

771
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: is all hidden within the plays and sonnets if you

772
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: just read them right. We did a show with our

773
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: theater company years back called Shake and Bake, and it

774
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: was where we just mashed up a bunch of different

775
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: Shakespeare characters and plot lines together to kind of do

776
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: sort of this Shakespearean sketch show. And it was narrated

777
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 1: by these four characters, Sir Francis Bacon, Edward de Vere,

778
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: Christopher Marlowe, and this stoner version of a guy named

779
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 1: Bill Shakespeare, whose name they were all using, yeah to

780
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: write wrote the Weed. Yeah. We did a bunch of

781
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: research for that show where we came up with those characters,

782
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: and there's not a lot of sturdy evidence to support

783
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: that any of them were the real Shakespeare. No, and

784
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 1: even crazier the theory, the Prince Tudor theory further says

785
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: that Edward de Vere grew up to have an incestuous

786
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: affair with his own mother, Queen Elizabeth, and that she

787
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: gave birth to his kid, Henry Rothsley, the third Earl

788
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: of Southampton, which would be a really gross thing for

789
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: her to do. Well. As Eli said, there's just not

790
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: much evidence for any of this, except for again just

791
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: reading Shakespeare's works with a certain lens, like it's like, oh,

792
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: He's wrote this play that takes place in this area,

793
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: and there's these names in it that Sir Francis Bacon

794
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: was also in that place and knew some of those people,

795
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: so it must be really Sir Francis talking about his

796
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 1: own life or whatever. There was one guy named Percy

797
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: Allen who did confirm his findings, thank you very much,

798
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: by using a medium to contact the spirits of Edward

799
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: de Vere, Queen Elizabeth the First, Sir Francis Bacon, and

800
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 1: William Shakespeare, who all said that he totally nailed it

801
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 1: and got it all completely right. But I'm so confused

802
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: because if his whole thing is that there is no Shakespeare,

803
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,439
Speaker 1: so how did he contact the spirit of Shakespeare? Oh yeah,

804
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: maybe he's like, no, I contacted the stoner and his name,

805
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 1: but like he ain't no writing, right, I'm William Shakespeare,

806
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: but I never wrote a word a day in my life,

807
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: that's right. I don't even know how to read it.

808
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 1: But Elizabeth's, to some inexplicable determination to remain a virgin

809
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: has led to so many insane theories too. Some people

810
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: believe that Elizabeth actually died as a child and was

811
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: replaced by a young boy, and they didn't want the

812
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: secret to get out. So this kid never married or

813
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 1: had a love affair, all right, listen, Like King Henry

814
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: the Eighth wind it been like, we'll figure it out.

815
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: We'll just figure it out. I need a son, so

816
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: we'll figure it out. Put a boy in there. We'll

817
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: just tell everybody we were wrong. There's no way that

818
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: some people think that Elizabeth actually was having sex and

819
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: leaving illegitimate children all around the nation. Like we mentioned before,

820
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: the poet Ben Johnson theorized that she had quote a

821
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: membrana on her that made her incapable of having sex,

822
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: so literally, like her vagina was sealed up. He's like,

823
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm speculation station vagina didn'tata. Nobody had

824
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 1: said this, but what if Queen Elizabeth's like, look, there's

825
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: teeth down, there's a big chomping mom. I can't I

826
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: can't be heaven mind of its own. King Phillips did

827
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: come off in my vagina. They're like, I'm traveling to

828
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: Japan for a steel dildo. Well, finally break that demon's teeth. Well,

829
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 1: most of the more down to earth theories simply point

830
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: to her childhood. Right, It's clear why she wouldn't want

831
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: to get married and give up her power to a

832
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: man when you know her dad was King Henry the Yight,

833
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 1: and there's all these bettings, and you know she lost

834
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: grandmother and two stepmothers to childbirth as well, so she

835
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: might have also just seen sex as too risky. Right,

836
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: So she's like even if I didn't want to get

837
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 1: married and just took a bunch of lovers, I don't

838
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 1: want to get pregnant. I'm very scared to get pregnant.

839
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: I could see that. There's also, again this sort of

840
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 1: cult of personality that she built around this virgin queen

841
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: title right from the very beginning of her reign, all

842
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: the way until she died in sixteen oh three. So

843
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: she might have just been working to maintain that image

844
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: because it was working for her. She also knew that

845
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: an air could be used against her. That happened with

846
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: her as the center of plots quite a few times. Right,

847
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: she was young, right, Look, she even said the quote

848
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: is something about, like I know how a second person

849
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 1: as I have been can be used against somebody. Yeah,

850
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: I mean to me. I think that she just had

851
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: a negative relationship with sex. She had a very confusing

852
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 1: emotional relationship with Robert Dudley, and kind of I wonder if,

853
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: like the way he kind of didn't want to marry,

854
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: he didn't want to marry for a while until he

855
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: finally went with Lettuce. If you know, Queen Elizabeth just

856
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: had a stronger version of that of like, I don't

857
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: want to get involved because I might get to marry

858
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: Robert one day. You know. I also wonder if she's

859
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: seen so many women kind of I don't know. I

860
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: wonder if she's like, if I have sex, I might

861
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: really like it, and that means I'll make bad decisions,

862
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: oh you know, from men around me, and they'll end

863
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: up turning on me. Because there's so many women who

864
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: did you know they've were into King Henry and they

865
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: did you know, or any other men in the court.

866
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: Sure it happened. There were tons of relationships happening all

867
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: around her. Mary Queen of Scott's is a really great

868
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: example because she married Henry and then didn't like him

869
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: and there was this whole scandal about it. She ends

870
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: up getting executed ultimately, and that was because she was

871
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: trying to rebel. But it still didn't help, Like the

872
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: whole marriage thing did not help. So I think she

873
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: just sees a lot of examples of this inn't working out.

874
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: And I like being the Queen of England. So that's

875
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: my goal is just hey, the Queen of England. Yeah,

876
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: she was the whole thing. She was like country before

877
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: all right, I want to see a beam of Queen

878
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: Elizabeth's portrait if this country before kunt see, Yeah, if

879
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: you say the C word with a British accent, it's

880
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 1: okay because it's not a big deal over there. They

881
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: love it over there. In the US. This episode is

882
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: now like NC seventeen, the worst thing we could say. Well,

883
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: I think speculation Station, I do believe that she may

884
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: remained a virgin. I think she had a ton of

885
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: good reasons to not have sex or get married, and

886
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: she definitely did not, And she just loved flirting and

887
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: being thought of. It is very beautiful and and messing

888
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,959
Speaker 1: with these men all the time, but never really wanted

889
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: to pull the trigger. That's my feeling. Okay, I don't

890
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: know about you. Uh, since we're in Speculation Station, I

891
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: gotta go with the demon. Oh oh yeah, the demon

892
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: in her vagina. Yeah. I like that she had vagina dentata.

893
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: She had to go get a steel dildo from Japan.

894
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's the problem. Yeah, nobody Goldo from van Yeah,

895
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: She's like, honestly, I'd rather have the demon. Maybe that

896
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 1: demon was her best friend after Robert Dudley. You know,

897
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: you gave her some really good advice and helped her

898
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: bring England into a brighter era. I don't know, yes, yes, okay, Well,

899
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: Robert Dudley and Queen Elizabeth are dead now in our

900
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:25,720
Speaker 1: story and also in real life, there's still some loose

901
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: ends to tie up. Oh sure, because first of all,

902
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 1: I want to tell you about Latisnoles Dudley, the Countess

903
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 1: of Leicester. Now, after Robert Dudley died, she was left

904
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: well provided for because again, good guy, right, But less

905
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 1: than a year later she married his servant and friend,

906
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: Sir Christopher Blunt. Now, some people, I'm sorry, are you

907
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,240
Speaker 1: telling me that there was a Lettuce Blunt out there somewhere?

908
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: Let us blood, sign me up. Love it. Now. People

909
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: do not think much of her doing this, but Latis said,

910
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just a defenseless widow. I gotta have

911
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: some man around. You know. That's how she felt, Okay whatever.

912
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 1: By all accounts, they had a pretty happy marriage. But

913
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: I don't think they were having anything going on before

914
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: Robert died or anything like that. I think she really

915
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: loved Robert a lot. Yeah, but even though Robert is

916
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: dead now, Queen Elizabeth still refused to speak to her

917
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 1: or like forgive her or let her come back, like

918
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: she was just like you're iced out still for life. However,

919
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: Latisa's son from her first marriage, Robert Devereaux, the second

920
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: Earl of Essex, was Elizabeth's new favorite courtier. Even though

921
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: they were thirty years apart in age, they flirted pretty shamelessly,

922
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: and of course people immediately had all the speculation that

923
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 1: they were fucking too oh wow, which Elizabeth probably loved.

924
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: Oh she should be like, oh, boy, your son and

925
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: I are getting along great fastically. Oh there's rumors that

926
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: I'm sleeping with your son. How funny. Wow, she really

927
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: went for this lady. Yeah, I know. But whatever love

928
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: Elizabeth had for young Robert Devereaux, it didn't save him

929
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: when he fell out of favor for his own secret

930
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: marriage to Sir Francis Walsingham's daughter, or when he abandoned

931
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: his military post without permission. He was disgraced, and then

932
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 1: he got all sulky and decided to rebel against Elizabeth

933
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: in sixteen oh one, so she had him imprisoned and

934
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: Latise stayed nearby, which might have been dumb, because Elizabeth,

935
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: of course got really angry when she heard reports that

936
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,879
Speaker 1: Latise and young Robert were waving to each other from

937
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: their windows, she wouldn't even let this lady wave at

938
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: her sponn Yeah. So finally both Robert Devereaux and Sir

939
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: Christopher Blunt were executed. So poor Latise lost both her

940
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: son and her third husband or has she called him

941
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: quote my best friend on the same day. That is

942
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 1: so petty. Clearly got a really strong personality and a

943
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: very strong will. Yeah, but I feel sorry for her.

944
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: That's worry. She just gets short straw. So poor Latise,

945
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: you know, she's left with no one now. But she

946
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: did outlive every other character in this story. And she

947
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: died at the ripe old age of ninety one. And

948
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: then she was buried next to Robert Dudley with the

949
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: epitaph that she commissioned, reading quote the best and dearest

950
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:24,439
Speaker 1: of husbands. Oh oh, that's really nice, and who knew

951
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: ninety one? I thought let us will did a lot

952
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: faster than that. She stayed crispy? Did you stay crispy? Baby?

953
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: She gave me that healthy crunch every sandwich needs. I

954
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 1: wish she'd married the Earl of sandwich. Let us sandwich amazing?

955
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: All right? Now, finally, remember Robert Dudley's baby Mama Douglas

956
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: sheffields you have not talked about her in a while, Yeah, Douglass,

957
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: but just as a quick refresher. She had married Sir

958
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 1: Stafford back in fifteen seventy nine, and she and Robert

959
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: Dudley had been totally cool co parenting their kid, Sir

960
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 1: Robert dud Right. It was a no m a situation

961
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 1: until after the Queen died and Sir Robert Dudley decided

962
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 1: to sue to get his father's now defunct Earls of

963
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 1: Leicester and Warwick titles, because since Sir Robert Dudley was illegitimate,

964
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: he could not inherit them or the property that they

965
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: came with, So he told the courts that Robert Dudley

966
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: and Douglas Sheffield were secretly married in fifteen seventy three,

967
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: which makes his marriage to Latise and her subsequent inheritance

968
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,399
Speaker 1: of all his property upon his death null and the void.

969
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 1: Oh boy, so Douglas got into this. She sent a

970
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 1: letter to the court detailing her supposed marriage to Robert Dudley,

971
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 1: but she said the ten plus witnesses to it were

972
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 1: all dead and just worked around a test. Sorry, they

973
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 1: all died. She also, you know, she just couldn't remember

974
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: the name of the efficient or the exact date of

975
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: the ceremony. She just said, it was, you know, in

976
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: winter time, the best day of my life, the most

977
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 1: important day of my life, when I married my love,

978
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: Sir Robert Lord, Robert Dudley, right on a some day

979
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: by some guy. I don't say. It was a Tuesday,

980
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: and I remember it was cold. It was the tenth,

981
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: maybe the eleventh, who knows, October or November something like that.

982
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 1: She tried to explain her own big miss marriage in

983
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 1: fifteen seventy nine, because of course she was married somebody

984
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: else too, by saying that Robert was going to poison her,

985
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: and she got married for her personal safety. So poor

986
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 1: Robert Dudley here, he's dead and he's still getting accused

987
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: of murder for real. Oh my god. She also said

988
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: that Robert offered her money and she initially refused, but

989
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: then he got mad and said he could cut her

990
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: off without a penny, so she decided, fine, I'll take

991
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: the money. Okay, But I mean, the court did not

992
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: believe this story, and I mean, do any of us

993
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: believe the story? Robert Dudley is not that kind of guy.

994
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: I don't think he's no. And also a lot of

995
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: this evidence I stretched to even call it evidence, it's

996
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 1: not evidence. A crazy story. It seems to me like

997
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,879
Speaker 1: she's like I can say anything I want about Robert

998
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: Dudley and people will believe me. I'm gonna say he

999
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: tried to poison me. They'll be like, sure he did,

1000
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: because he tried to poison all these other people. Like

1001
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:15,879
Speaker 1: why wouldn't they have you know what I mean something

1002
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: on that rumor mill about Yes, it really feels like

1003
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: that just a shameless cash grab. True. Well, of course

1004
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: Latis won this case, and she walked out of the courtroom,

1005
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: probably bent down over Sir Robert's ear, and said, I

1006
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: wish you well the group of her time, of her time, Latis,

1007
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: let us scoop, let us scoop. Well, let us get

1008
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: out of this episode. Where right? So yeah, that's the story.

1009
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: So that's the two part story of Queen Elizabeth and

1010
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: her one true love Robert Dudley. Yeah, and I will say,

1011
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: if Elizabeth really did love attention and fucking with people,

1012
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: which it seems she did, she really won at life.

1013
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: Because not many people can say that. There are a

1014
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: bunch of scholars still trying to figure out if they

1015
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: got laid four hundred plus years after they died. That's true.

1016
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: We should all hope for such a few Yeah, in

1017
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: twenty five hundred, I hope they're still, Like, you know,

1018
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: I wonder what Diana's sex life is like. Well, I'll

1019
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: have to be more specific in my journals, all right, Yeah,

1020
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: that would help. Yeah, the scholars of tomorrow, the scholars

1021
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: of tomorrow helping them today. Well, if they dig out

1022
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: this episode, they'll have a lot more information about Queen

1023
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: Elizabeth the First, that's for sure. Well, I hope you

1024
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: enjoyed this episode. I'm looking into it. It was so interesting.

1025
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm just feeling sorry for Robert

1026
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: Dudley because he's a possible ancestor of mine, but I'm

1027
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: oway here thinking he has not been treated right. He

1028
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: was a super cool guy. I'm glad to know that

1029
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: he was one of your ancestors, because I mean, again,

1030
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: I think that a lot of the bad things people

1031
00:58:55,280 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: said about him, we're we're slander. Yeah, and he's sure

1032
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: he had his flaws like any man. Sure, but he

1033
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: was supposed to be an excellent husband right to the

1034
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: people who married him. A great stepfather, dad of an

1035
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: illegitimate A good friend to people who are friends with him.

1036
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,919
Speaker 1: He was always very loyal, throwing parties right, being fun,

1037
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: and probably didn't poison any of his lovers. Probably not.

1038
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: And if he didn't, he's great. And if he did,

1039
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: you know, we'll reevaluate him. Think about that later. I

1040
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: also was thinking, I wonder if he didn't get a

1041
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: lot of respect because he's like, you know, the master

1042
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: of the horse, and then he did like parties, and

1043
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: then he was like basically like a butler. Oh. Yes,

1044
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: so they were just like, oh, Robert, you know, he

1045
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: freaking deals with the queen right and makes her happy,

1046
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: and he like does the parties. But we are the politicians. Yeah,

1047
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: we are doing the real work of running the cut,

1048
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, right, even though like managing

1049
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: the queen must have been actually incredibly important, probably more

1050
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: difficult than managing you know, international relations. Oh my god.

1051
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 1: And they would even write to him sometimes when he

1052
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Speaker 1: wasn't at court and be like, hey, I hope your

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Speaker 1: comeback soon. Between real four we're all we're all suffering.

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Speaker 1: Please come back, stactor. I love the court wants your presence.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, Robert Dudley Party. That's all I know, right,

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Speaker 1: And thanks again to Daniel Fields for selling us the

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Speaker 1: story about Elizabeth and francois that we were able to

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Speaker 1: include it here, and my parents for suggesting this episode

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Speaker 1: so they would finally have a reason to listen to. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Do you think your dad made it through to the

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Speaker 1: end of episode two? No? No, Hey dad, if you're

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Speaker 1: still there, thanks for listening, Thanks for listening. We exonerated him,

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Speaker 1: did my duty by the family, right, So yeah, let

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Speaker 1: us know what you thought. We hope you enjoyed this

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Speaker 1: story as much as we did, and we always love

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Speaker 1: hearing from you, so please reach out. Our email address

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Speaker 1: is Raddick Romance at gmail dot com. That's right. You

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Speaker 1: can find us on Instagram. I'm at Oh Great, it's Eli.

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Speaker 1: I'm at Sanamite Boon and the show is at Riddick

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Speaker 1: Romance and you are awesome. We really appreciate you for

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Speaker 1: listening and we can't wait to bring you another episode soon.

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Speaker 1: We'll catch it in so long, friends, it's time to go.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to our show. Tell your friends neighbor's

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Speaker 1: uncle's in dance to listen to a show. Ridiculous role

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Speaker 1: Dance