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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, good morning everybody. Happy Friday. How are you

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Speaker 2: guys doing?

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Speaker 3: Happy Friday?

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Speaker 4: Happy Friday. I hope everyone here has their cup of

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Speaker 4: milk ready to go.

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Speaker 3: Whole milk.

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Speaker 2: Whole milk, that's right, Emily. Can I feel like we

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Speaker 2: use you too much? Just like, can you explain this

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Speaker 2: to me?

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Speaker 5: But I do need I don't milk it, whisperer look

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Speaker 5: up here with whole milk.

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Speaker 2: With the whole Milk campaign, Yeah, because they're acting like

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Speaker 2: this is some like edgy countercultural thing to drink whole milk,

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Speaker 2: and I did not know that whole milk was an

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Speaker 2: anyway lib coated or like not drinking whole milk was

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Speaker 2: lib coated.

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Speaker 3: I don't know give milk is lib coated.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the idea, I guess, soy yeah, the original

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Speaker 2: So well.

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Speaker 5: I think it's about there, Like they have this big

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Speaker 5: campaign to have people have whole fats and high protein foods.

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Speaker 3: So that that's my best guess here.

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Speaker 5: I'm sticking with two percent, not a whole milk person,

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Speaker 5: but that's my like, that's my best guess.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I find milk to be kind of discussing in general.

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Speaker 6: So let's get people a taste.

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Speaker 2: I am a bit of a milk hater.

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Speaker 7: I am.

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Speaker 2: I am an oat milk drinker.

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Speaker 3: I will cases.

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Speaker 4: Well, let's give people a literal taste here at the

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Speaker 4: top of the show.

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Speaker 3: If you're listening to this, it's a I R F

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Speaker 5: You're like at the sphere with a couple of sphere.

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Speaker 3: I just that's I think it's probably not, but it's.

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Speaker 2: Just Is that an AI song too? Is that a

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Speaker 4: That's a real that's a real song, and a real

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Speaker 4: partier right here? If you see a guy partying with

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Speaker 4: milk at the club. Elect him, make.

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Speaker 2: Him HHS secretary, immediately put him in charge, give him

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Speaker 2: the vaccine schedule right away.

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Speaker 4: I think that there was clearly a raw milk push

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Speaker 4: that they had to pivot at the last moment to hold.

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Speaker 3: I feel like they're not pivoting. I feel like they're

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Speaker 3: still all in on the raw milk.

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Speaker 4: Well, then why aren't they promoting raw milk in these

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Speaker 4: epic Yeah, that would own.

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Speaker 2: That would own me so much harder.

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Speaker 8: It would be owned.

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Speaker 3: I think you just can't persuade people to drink raw milk.

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Speaker 5: I feel like it's it's going to be in the

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Speaker 5: like the what is the hippie slash homeschool the middle

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Speaker 5: of that VENN diagram. Yeah, they're still going to have

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Speaker 5: their raw milk, but nobody else is going to be persuaded.

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Speaker 2: My favorite raw milk story is they passed and West

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Speaker 2: and to celebrate, they like drank raw milk, and then

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Speaker 2: a bunch of them got violently ill.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 4: Really, here's here's what a raw milk party actually looks

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Speaker 5: Why do you have these such easy?

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Speaker 4: He was ready to go with this because I'm I'm

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Speaker 4: a producer.

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Speaker 6: I come prepared. But this is what real.

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Speaker 2: One with the kids with the scary like creepy kids.

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Speaker 6: Uh no, you caught me lacking.

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Speaker 5: You can't even tell anymore who's a who's a hippie,

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Speaker 5: and who's homeschooled.

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Speaker 6: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's melded together. No difference really.

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Speaker 3: Much stuff to both.

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Speaker 4: By the way, well, we're all at home ready to school,

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Speaker 2: And my kids next week so apparently, so I can't

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Speaker 4: Be homeschooled by you, But Crystal, that'd be actually awesome

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Speaker 2: You would have come out way differently. Howardson, soy milk literally.

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Speaker 6: And we've got Ryan here.

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Speaker 4: He heard that we were talking about raw milk, so

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Speaker 2: And hippies and hippies most most appropriately hippies.

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Speaker 9: Yeah. I had had raw milk in Ireland this summer.

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Speaker 9: Petty Cosgraves did County Donegal was delicious?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: That it takes different than it.

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Speaker 9: Was also from like fancier cows.

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Speaker 2: Mmmm, okay, got so it was it was.

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Speaker 9: It was incredible.

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Speaker 2: I just I just find I mean it's not that

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Speaker 2: I like, I have plenty of dairy products, but I

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Speaker 2: just find the idea of drinking glass of milk to

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Speaker 2: be revolting any kind of milk.

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Speaker 9: Well, you're a grown up, so well, milk is good.

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Speaker 3: Milk is good.

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Speaker 6: M hmm. All right, Well let's get to something. Actually,

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Speaker 6: this is what we.

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Speaker 3: Do on the show. We have different opinions and we

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Speaker 2: Beautiful, get a lot together and we're able to you know,

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Speaker 4: So we got Ryan, Ryan, we wanted to talk to

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Speaker 4: you about the new Kushner Gaza plan. But that's a

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Speaker 4: hard pivot from Ron Milk. So why don't we start

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Speaker 4: with a little bit of Gavin here at Davos, trying

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Speaker 4: to clean up some of the Trump energies happening here.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to what Gavin has to say.

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Speaker 10: This is a rupture, this isn't an anomaly. Yeah, and

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Speaker 10: there's no going back. And do you think that, I mean,

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Speaker 10: do you think there's always an American leader?

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Speaker 7: Yes, can bring I think I think these relationships aren't dormancy,

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Speaker 7: they're not dead.

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Speaker 11: I don't use those binary terms. Don't don't. Don't fall

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Speaker 7: That's a bit hyperbolic, and I'm prone to a little

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Speaker 11: Uh dormancy.

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Speaker 7: We can read he's an invasive species, Donald Trump, He's not.

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Speaker 2: He is.

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Speaker 11: He took over the Republican Party.

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Speaker 12: They're just I mean, guy, you know a few of them,

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Speaker 12: Lindsey Graham, I mean my speaking of the kneepads. Uh,

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Speaker 12: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 7: This is tough stuff. It's tough stuff. I don't recognize

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Speaker 7: these people any longer. I used to respect Lindsay.

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Speaker 11: I mean, yeah, what but what Lindsay Graham said about Trump?

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Speaker 11: How about the Secretary of State Marco Rubio? Do you

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Speaker 11: mean this is?

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Speaker 7: These are the same people, and this is why we

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Speaker 7: for things to change, we need to do you think

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Speaker 7: that's why I'm changing again?

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Speaker 11: I'm grateful.

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Speaker 10: I mean, I suppose do you think post Trump there's

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Speaker 10: a path back?

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Speaker 11: You see?

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Speaker 10: It's ever the kind of unsolved politics that you're doing here.

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Speaker 10: But you said, you said you don't really enjoy it.

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Speaker 11: You kind of see them too.

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Speaker 12: I just put in a mirror up just it got

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Speaker 12: to I was doing my ten point plans before and

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Speaker 12: I don't think any of you would have been here this.

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Speaker 11: Morning had I done that, they would have been here. No,

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Speaker 11: because it just it wasn't working.

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Speaker 10: Everyone's trying to figure this is how do you, Mark

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Speaker 10: Carney Kraft.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, but it's how do you? How do you? How

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Speaker 11: do you communicate? How do you respond to this moment?

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Speaker 12: And it's for me, it's about iteration. It's an entrepreneurial spirits,

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Speaker 12: very California mindset.

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Speaker 9: Uh, what's on the part about Lindsay Graham and Marco

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Speaker 9: Rubio poetry? What he's what he's saying there is that

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Speaker 9: what he liked about them was that they were critical

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Speaker 9: of Donald Trump yep, and that they were polite. They

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Speaker 9: had the same politics back then. Yes, I mean they

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Speaker 9: were warmongers then, they're warmongers now.

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Speaker 2: And so they're actually just more effective at getting their

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Speaker 2: way now, right, you know, figured out criticizing Trump to

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Speaker 2: suck up to Trump, and that's allowed them to get

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Speaker 9: It epitomizes the elite democratic up up objection to Trump,

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Speaker 9: which is so much around style when when we're seeing

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Speaker 9: know three three threatened or carried out wars like in

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Speaker 9: the beef he has is that, you know, these guys

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Speaker 9: are now obsequious to Trump rather than objecting to him

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Speaker 9: on his on his broader point. I don't know. I

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Speaker 9: feel like, yes, like Trump represents a rupture, but could

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Speaker 9: it be healed with You know, the world is becoming

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Speaker 9: these these kind of transnational camps of you know, center

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Speaker 9: one faction of the Democratic Party. So if that, if

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Speaker 9: they came back to power, could they link up again?

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Speaker 9: I think they could stitch it up somewhat together. But

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Speaker 9: you know, the right of Russian China are real things

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Speaker 9: that have changed, that changed the calculus over the last

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Speaker 2: I think that Biden was the attempt to stitch it

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Speaker 2: right and there it's not just Trump, Well it's stitched

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Speaker 2: It's not just Trump, though. I think the other thing

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Speaker 2: that has destroyed I mean, there's a variety of factors,

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Speaker 2: but one of the other things that has destroyed the

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Speaker 2: previous era of international relations is Gaza. You know, you

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Speaker 2: cannot put back in the box the fact that all

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Speaker 2: Newsom's the governor of California, but there's no sign that

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Speaker 2: he objected to our role in perpetuating a genocide which

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Speaker 2: you won't even call a genocide in Gaza. You can't

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Speaker 2: just put that back in the box and then pretend like, oh, no,

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Speaker 2: we believe in human rights and freedom and democracy, blah

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Speaker 2: blah blah. So Trump is very effective at demolishing things,

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Speaker 2: and I think he is. This is what Tucker Carlson

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Speaker 2: and his infamous like leaked messages said. He is a destroyer.

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Speaker 2: That is what he has done. And I don't think

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Speaker 2: that there is any stitching the liberal you know, international

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Speaker 2: world order such as it was back together. And that's

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Speaker 2: really what Mark Carney's speech was about, right Like, I'm

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Speaker 2: going to say out loud the thing that we all

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Speaker 2: single handedly destroy what remains of this illusion. So that

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean that you know, the US and France couldn't

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Speaker 2: go back to having better relations or you know, Germany

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Speaker 2: underpinned it. I do think that that is over dead gone,

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Speaker 5: I think it's no longer viable. But the Mark Carney

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Speaker 9: Make bets on us either, Like is he even if

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Speaker 4: Also intensely uncomfortable, which I'll play. I have another twenty

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Speaker 6: This is that the knee pad moment signature.

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Speaker 9: I told your last one sold out and I just.

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Speaker 6: The knee pad moment. Yeah. I don't know that, Emily,

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Speaker 3: Well, Trump can do it, that's true. I don't know.

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Speaker 5: There's just something very weird about him compete, like trying

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Speaker 2: And the thing about Trump, I mean, the thing about

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Speaker 2: he is. Who is Gavin, Like, I mean, actually we

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Speaker 2: that's who he is. He is not the guy who's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that.

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Speaker 9: If there is a who he is, right, well.

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Speaker 4: He's peaked a little early, Like do you think he's

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Speaker 9: Break a fashion?

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Speaker 2: I am very I have always, I want to go

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Speaker 2: They have no patience for this like meally mouth, let

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Speaker 9: Yeah, but then there's it's like who who else is there?

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Speaker 9: So he benefits from that possibility. That's that's his best

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Speaker 2: I mean, that lane is going to be I mean,

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Speaker 4: That was Gavin at Davos. We now have our first

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Speaker 4: Who do we got here today?

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Speaker 2: Friend Pisco, YouTuber, legal analyst, all the good things, great streamer.

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Speaker 2: You guys should be checking him out.

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Speaker 13: Great to see if pias go, Hi, guys doing glad

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Speaker 13: to be here?

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Speaker 12: Good?

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Speaker 2: So let me throw this tear sheet up. Do I

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Speaker 2: have it up?

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Speaker 11: Yes?

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Speaker 2: So we wanted to get Pisco's legal analysis of this

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Speaker 2: whole church protest and now the charges that have been

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Speaker 2: to get a breakdown of like what is the Face Act,

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Speaker 2: So here are the details. Three arrests in Saint Paul

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Speaker 2: journalist Don Lemon in relation to his presence this week

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Speaker 2: during a protest at a Saint Paul church, an extraordinary

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Speaker 2: were in fact charged under the Face Act, they say.

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Speaker 2: Among those charged are in a Quiema, Levy Armstrong and

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Speaker 2: of the demonstrators present that day. Bondi said in a

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Speaker 2: statement on the arrest our, nation was settled and founded

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Speaker 2: by people fleeing religious prosecution. Religious freedom is the bedrock

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Speaker 2: of this country. Will protect our pastors, we will protect

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Speaker 2: the Face Act, and you know what the sort of

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Speaker 2: here is how significant is it that the magistrate judge

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Speaker 13: It's significant. I mean, it doesn't happen very often that

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Speaker 6: And it shows that perhaps.

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Speaker 13: A government is overreaching by going after Don Lemon as

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Speaker 13: Legal commentators have noted it as a show in a

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, then, and break down for us what the

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Speaker 13: Yeah, so the Face Act was a law that was

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Speaker 13: or use of force, and that's the intent they have

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Speaker 13: to prove. But there's some nuances we can get into.

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Speaker 9: And for people who are coming in new to this,

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Speaker 9: Can you just describe briefly, like what what what precisely

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Speaker 9: did these activists do and like wait and to to

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Speaker 9: what kind of institution?

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Speaker 13: Yes, so that those facts are going to be super important.

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Speaker 13: As far as we know. This is a private church,

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Speaker 13: and they entered into the church and started yelling and

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Speaker 13: made it kind of difficult for them to continue with

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Speaker 13: the proceeding. And the reason, the purported reason for why

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Speaker 13: this happened was because the pastor has some affiliation, in fact,

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Speaker 13: potentially employment with with ICE, has done a declaration before

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Speaker 13: for ICE, and so that was what they did.

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Speaker 6: They went in.

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Speaker 13: There is some lack of clarity on the amount of time,

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Speaker 13: but apparently they left before police arrived, and so it

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Speaker 13: doesn't sound like they were there for hours and hours.

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Speaker 6: But those are the facts as best we know them.

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Speaker 13: Don Lemon was traveling with them and interviewed some individuals

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Speaker 13: on his live.

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Speaker 5: Stream and a couple of facts that I think are

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Speaker 5: relevant to that is Lemon's live stream. I went back

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Speaker 5: and watched this portion of it. It's like six hours long,

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Speaker 5: by what back watched this portion of it last night.

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Speaker 5: He when he's interviewing Nakima Armstrong. She's very clear that

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Speaker 5: what they're about to do is quote disrupt, So that's

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Speaker 5: going to be that will be raised by the prosecution

474
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Speaker 5: that she explicitly said that part of this operation was

475
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Speaker 5: to disrupt. Don Lemon said when he was in the church,

476
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Speaker 5: I am here as a journalist. I'm not here with

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Speaker 5: the activists, which is going to be I mean, that's

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Speaker 5: probably one of the reasons the charge was not signed

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Speaker 5: off on. So there's all kinds of stuff in the

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Speaker 5: live stream that people can go and watch for themselves.

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Speaker 5: But I think those having just gone back and watched

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Speaker 5: the US and I think those two moments are pretty important.

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Speaker 9: They're very important and oh go ahead, sorry, What would

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Speaker 9: be the difference between a private and ay, quote unquote

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Speaker 9: public church, Like doors are swung open and it says

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Speaker 9: all are welcome. Yeah, so then it'd be harder to

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Speaker 9: charge them. This is more like, hey, like we're doing

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Speaker 9: our thing in here, be quiet, like, don't mess with us.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: I was referencing more sort of like the fact that

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Speaker 13: the space is owned privately and it's not like a

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Speaker 13: sort of open forum where they're doing some kind of

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Speaker 13: service where the you know, the First Amendment turns on

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Speaker 13: such that you know, those additional standards relating to traditional

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Speaker 13: public fora apply. But presumably they asked the people to leave.

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Speaker 13: If this was like a church that was open to

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Speaker 13: people to generally come and they ask them to leave,

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Speaker 13: and so that would be relevant to the analysis under

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Speaker 13: the Face Act. There have been cases that have been

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Speaker 13: sustained under the Face Act for conduct that happens within

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Speaker 13: a location, and so the fact that it's private might

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Speaker 13: weigh into that determination of how much obstruction was it

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Speaker 13: and is the First Amendment implicated in any respect as applied.

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Speaker 13: Every court to deal with the Face Act on its

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Speaker 13: constitutionality has upheld it as constitutional because they were not

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Speaker 13: really not targeting speech. You're targeting these kinds of conducts.

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Speaker 13: The intent portion is super important what Emily just brought up,

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Speaker 13: and it's unclear. A lot of courts have construed the

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Speaker 13: statute as requiring dual intent. It is to say, you're

510
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Speaker 13: not just trying to do the actions that disrupt, but

511
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Speaker 13: for the purpose either to restrict some kind of reproductive

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Speaker 13: service or to restrict people's first woman rights with respect

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Speaker 13: to religious freedoms. And so one argument you could see

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Speaker 13: the protesters making is well, we're not here to disrupt

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Speaker 13: religious services and religious freedoms. This is us trying to

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Speaker 13: like whistle blow on the pastor with respect to his

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Speaker 13: dealings with Ice. Has nothing to do with the religious expression. Now,

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Speaker 13: whether a coreps ultimately will buy that as a distinction

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Speaker 13: for the dual intent purposes unclear. But you can see

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Speaker 13: the kind of arguments. We didn't physically obstruct, we didn't

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Speaker 13: use force, we didn't use threats, and you know we

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Speaker 13: don't have that intent.

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Speaker 2: Right Interesting, So say again, piasco, what are the There

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Speaker 2: were three it's either obstruct, intimidate, or actual violence. Those

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Speaker 2: are three.

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Speaker 6: It's force, threat or physical obstruction.

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Speaker 13: You need to show one of them.

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Speaker 2: And so and when you say threat, threat of what.

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Speaker 6: Threat of force?

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Speaker 13: And threat is interpreted by courts in the context of

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Speaker 13: true threats. These are a First Amendment standard that are

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Speaker 13: like they're not protected by first amenent jurisprudence, and they

533
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Speaker 13: usually require some like reasonable person to apprehend that they're

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Speaker 13: actually trying to put you in fear of bodily harm

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Speaker 13: of some kind. And so, if you're not seeing these

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Speaker 13: these protesters shouting things like we're gonna hurt you, We're

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Speaker 13: gonna like uh, you kill you or something like that,

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Speaker 13: or you know, wielding some kind of weapon to put

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Speaker 13: them in fear. Probably less likely for the threat prong.

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Speaker 13: The physical obstruction. That's where like the more complicated analysis is,

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Speaker 13: and there are tons of decisions that try to interpret

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Speaker 13: what physical obstruction means. Can it be constructive obstruction? Most

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Speaker 13: courts say no, not constructive obstruction, But can it means

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Speaker 13: a kind of that's what, Yeah, where you're kind of

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Speaker 13: making it like more difficult and you're not actually physically

546
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Speaker 13: blocking at all, but you're making it like difficult for

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Speaker 13: them to go into the into the given area, either

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Speaker 13: the reproductive health service center or into the church. You

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Speaker 13: can imagine someone on the street yelling and saying something

550
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Speaker 13: that's very emotionally resonant, but not necessarily physically obstructing. That said,

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Speaker 13: there have been cases where teams kind of trivial the

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Speaker 13: obstruction where people are walking up to the individuals in

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Speaker 13: their path with like flyers and leaflets, and that's treated

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Speaker 13: differently than someone giving the leaflet from the side, because

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Speaker 13: you're you're trying to like stop there exactly. So they.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was just gonna say so in this instance,

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Speaker 2: people were you know were leaving the church as the

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Speaker 2: protesters are there, Like, they weren't obstructing at least from

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Speaker 2: what I watched the stream as well, they weren't obstructing

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Speaker 2: people's like physical ingress or egress to the church. They

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Speaker 2: were obviously obstructing the ability of the pastor to continue

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Speaker 2: his sermon. So does is it like physically obstructing into

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Speaker 2: the actual building that is the legal standard, or is

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Speaker 2: it obstructing their ability to continue what they were doing

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Speaker 2: in the building.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, it's not just ingress and egress. The statute defines

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Speaker 13: physical obstruction and it contains ingress and egress, and so

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Speaker 13: I think they're not seemingly trying to block agress or egress,

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Speaker 13: but it also includes kind of conduct that makes it

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Speaker 13: like unreasonably unsafe or difficult to get into the service place. Now,

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Speaker 13: the question is there have been some cases where protesters were,

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Speaker 13: for example, in an abortion clinic or something, and they're

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Speaker 13: sticking around because they know the cops are going to

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Speaker 13: be there, and they kind of are anticipating that they're

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Speaker 13: going to stop the services, and you can see the

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Speaker 13: kind of proximate cause of chain that they pretty much

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Speaker 13: knew it was foreseeable that people are going to be

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Speaker 13: asked not to enter. So the question is like, in

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Speaker 13: terms of that Actus rayis component the physical obstruction. How

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Speaker 13: much are we getting into constructive obstruction by their conduct within?

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Speaker 13: There have been some cases where just conduct within has

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Speaker 13: been enough, but not always.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this. This was a saga requested question,

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Speaker 2: but I think it's a good one. So this was

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Speaker 2: an article from the Washington Free Beacon about Minnesota Attorney

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Speaker 2: General Keith Ellison, who's been defending the protesters inside the church,

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Speaker 2: and they are alleging that he is hypocritical because in

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Speaker 2: some other instances he supported the use of the Face Act. Specifically,

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Speaker 2: one of the cases they talk about here was involving

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Speaker 2: a mosque. There was an activist who was filming the

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Speaker 2: members of the mosque and their children over the course

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Speaker 2: of I believe it was years. Over the course of

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Speaker 2: years they were sort of recording people going into and

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Speaker 2: coming out of this mosque outside of Minneapolis. It says

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Speaker 2: as Minnesota Attorney generally submitted a brief and a twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five federal lawsuit that accused of Minneapolis a woman

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Speaker 2: of violating the First Amendment rights of parishioners at Dara

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Speaker 2: Alfaruk Mosque outside of Minneapolis by filming them without their permission.

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Speaker 2: Go on to say. In twenty fifteen, as a House member,

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Speaker 2: Ellison urged Obama Civil Rights chief Venita Gupta to investigate

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Speaker 2: whether a group of protesters in Phoenix violated the Face

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Speaker 2: Act by holding firearms during protests outside a Phoenix mosque. Quote.

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Speaker 2: These demonstrators argue they're exercising their First Amendment rights. What

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Speaker 2: they fail to understand is that First Amendment rights are

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Speaker 2: not absolute. They are limited to protect the safety and

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Speaker 2: rights of others. So does do they have a point here? Pisco?

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Speaker 2: Is this effective hypocrisy? Burn on Attorney General Ellison?

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Speaker 6: I think it is.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm going to be honest about that, and listen,

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Speaker 13: I'm a liberal Democrat and so I put my cards

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Speaker 13: on my chest. But yeah, I kind of don't like

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Speaker 13: these bad arguments from Democrats that, oh, this law is

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Speaker 13: just about reproductive services. And then you just go back

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Speaker 13: and look at their track record and they're happy to

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Speaker 13: you use them to protect the religious liberties of other

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Speaker 13: people when.

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Speaker 6: It suits them. And there are some things that A. G.

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Speaker 13: Ellison has done that I've liked but in general, yeah,

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Speaker 13: I think that that's like a bit of hypocrisy on that.

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Speaker 13: And additionally, what that article I think details is his

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Speaker 13: unwillingness to do anything about this. Specifically, putting aside the

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Speaker 13: Face Act violations, there are potentially, like you know, trespass

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Speaker 13: actions that could be applied here in other state analogs,

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Speaker 13: and it doesn't seem like he has any willingness to

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Speaker 13: do that. I'm not saying that he should, but it's

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Speaker 13: just something that people should take into consideration when sort

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Speaker 13: of judging that conduct. If you think that that's acceptable,

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Speaker 13: you're essentially saying that the law breaking in this context,

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Speaker 13: which it probably was some form of trespass, is justified

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Speaker 13: given the interest. Now I'm somewhat sympathetic to certain arguments

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Speaker 13: to that effect, given what Ice is doing and the

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Speaker 13: overwhelming illegality there, but it is a determination that you're

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Speaker 13: going to have to make if you want to defend

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Speaker 13: the actions or an action.

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Speaker 5: Well, I just want to jump in there and say

636
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Speaker 5: one of the reasons that people on the right, like

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Speaker 5: Mike Lee have long called for the repeal of the

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Speaker 5: Face Act is that actually a lot of what is

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Speaker 5: covered in the Face Act, if not all of what's

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Speaker 5: covered in the Face Act is already illegal for other reasons,

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Speaker 5: and trespassing is a really good example of that. And

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Speaker 5: it's a really good example from last Sunday as well.

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Speaker 5: So it's in po you can speak to this, but

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Speaker 5: from my perspective has always been since it was going

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Speaker 5: back to nineteen ninety four when it was signed, it's

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Speaker 5: been a serious threat to free speech.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the way the law is written. You're pointing

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Speaker 3: out just the question about leaflets.

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Speaker 5: If you're on a public sidewalk handing out leaflets, are

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Speaker 5: you implicated under the Face Act?

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Speaker 3: That's crazy.

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Speaker 5: Like we have laws about trespassing on the books, and

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Speaker 5: that applies to you know, there are a lot of

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Speaker 5: pro lifers who will intentionally go up and violate the

655
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Speaker 5: Face Act as an act of civil disobedience and they

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Speaker 5: know that they're going to be charged under the Face Act.

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Speaker 5: But then it can be used to build conspiracy against

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Speaker 5: rights cases and all of that. So it's just whether

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Speaker 5: it's whether it's a church or an abortion clinic. You

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Speaker 5: can speak to this piece code, but I think it's

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Speaker 5: it's almost a bipartisan you know, if you catch people

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Speaker 5: in honest moments on the left and the right. They

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Speaker 5: will tell you that the Face Acts has serious speech

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Speaker 5: concerns baked into the law itself.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, no doubt about that.

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Speaker 13: And you put out a bunch of great points they

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Speaker 13: want to hit them all. The first is the legislative

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Speaker 13: basis for the law in the first place, putting aside

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Speaker 13: the First Amendment issues like where does Congress derive that

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Speaker 13: authority to even legislate in this domain. It's the government

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Speaker 13: of limited powers that has been sustained under the Congress's

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Speaker 13: Commerce Clause abilities, and I know a lot of commerce

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Speaker 13: or sorry, conservatives have a lot of things to say

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Speaker 13: about that specifically, and whether or not that it's gone

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Speaker 13: too far, and how much Congress is legislated in that domain.

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Speaker 13: So I understand that totally. I think people would have

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Speaker 13: less of a problem if it were just the force

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Speaker 13: or threat part and the physical obstruction, to the extent

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Speaker 13: that it existed, was ingress or egress only. Like then

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Speaker 13: it seems like, Okay, maybe there's something there. If it's

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Speaker 13: a really important interest and you raise something a nuance

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Speaker 13: that is super super important. The conspiracy against rights part,

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Speaker 13: which the administration is talking about incorporating the KKK Act

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Speaker 13: has a criminal part of it, and Trump was actually

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Speaker 13: charged with this as part of the Jack Smith indictments.

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Speaker 13: If he just went up to Congress as well, that

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Speaker 13: requires some sort of federal right in it. And you

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Speaker 13: can use the KKK Act the conspiracy against Rights and

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Speaker 13: incorporate underlying Face Act violation or at least some courts

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Speaker 13: have held that, and so yes, the Face Act being there,

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Speaker 13: it's been sustained for its first amendment on facially at

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Speaker 13: least there could be a nasupplied challenge. Gives a lot

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Speaker 13: of powers for the federal government to get involved and

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Speaker 13: then hits you with that conspiracy against rights if they

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Speaker 13: can show that there's like more than one person agreeing

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Speaker 13: to do this stuff, which.

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Speaker 6: Often you can.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, so and then we'll go. Then they'll troll try

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Speaker 9: to roll up an entire like activist organation or everybody

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Speaker 9: in a WhatsApp group or everybody with Facebook exactly. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: that's disturbing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Pisco. Bottom line this one for is you know,

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Speaker 2: what would be your estimate of how likely the government

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Speaker 2: is to succeed on these charges against these three activists?

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Speaker 11: Oh?

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Speaker 6: Boy, hard to say.

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Speaker 13: I think they're going to try to do the conspiracy

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Speaker 13: against rights and incorporate an under aligned Face Act violation.

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Speaker 13: I think if I were to judge the arguments just

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Speaker 13: based on the evidence so far of what I've seen

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Speaker 13: of the facts, I think they're going to have an

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Speaker 13: easier time on the intent prong of it than potentially

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Speaker 13: the prong of physical obstruction. It seems that courts have

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Speaker 13: been quite liberal in applying the physical obstruction not totally

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Speaker 13: in one hundred percent. I'm not saying that every disruption

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Speaker 13: at a proceeding or something constitutes a physical obstruction, but

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Speaker 13: here you have what is it, like forty people, the

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Speaker 13: numbers involved here, the pre planning. I think it can

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Speaker 13: be analogized to some of these cases in reproductive healthcare

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Speaker 13: centers with like two three, four people where they cause

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Speaker 13: a disruption sort of anticipating police to be involved. But

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Speaker 13: you know, here you have a difference where they didn't

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Speaker 13: necessarily stay as long. But yeah, so I think there's

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Speaker 13: a lot of room for course to judge that this

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Speaker 13: was a physical obstruction. The harder part is like, are

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Speaker 13: they really trying to interfere specifically with the expression of

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Speaker 13: civil liberties regarding religion. I'm not sure, And an example

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Speaker 13: I would think about and you guys, tell me what

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Speaker 13: you think of it. Suppose that we had a priest

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Speaker 13: who is like accused of being inappropriate with Aultar boys,

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Speaker 13: and someone a group of five people come in and

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Speaker 13: say he's, you know, having inapproper relations with the Aultar boys.

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Speaker 13: Would we consider that purpose the intent there to be

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Speaker 13: to interfere with the expression of religious liberties just because

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Speaker 13: as a consequence of trying to expose a crime or

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Speaker 13: some kind of corruption that it entails stopping the service.

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Speaker 13: That seems a little bit more far fetched to me

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Speaker 13: that the mirror disruption constitutes the intent prongly, But who knows.

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Speaker 13: We'll see what the court will decide. And as of now,

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Speaker 13: how any court documents or any kind of complaints or indictments.

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Speaker 13: I'm not comfortable during the estimate.

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Speaker 2: And how much so this would be this would be

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Speaker 2: a jury trial in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 13: Presumably, Yeah, this would be in the federal court because

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Speaker 13: it's a federal cause of action, and yeah, so it

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Speaker 13: would be you have a right to a jury trial

747
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Speaker 13: there and to do the determinations. I will note that

748
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Speaker 13: I think the case against Don Lemon is significantly weaker

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Speaker 13: to the extent that there's a weakness on the intent

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Speaker 13: prong for the protesters. There's an even harder case for

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Speaker 13: Don Lemon, and so I think it's kind of absurd frankly,

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Speaker 13: but specifically the Don Lemon one I think is.

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Speaker 6: Offensive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, with regard to, you know, the fact it would

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Speaker 2: be a jury trial. I mean, we've seen we just

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Speaker 2: saw yesterday a jury almost instantly find this guy not

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Speaker 2: guilty in Chicago who had been charged with supposedly putting

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Speaker 2: a ten thousand dollars bounty on the head of Greg Bavino.

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Speaker 2: And in Chicago, as part of the reporting on that,

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Speaker 2: they were pointing out that of the I think thirty

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Speaker 2: one non immigration charges that were filed in the context

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Speaker 2: of what was that on Operation Midway Blitz or whatever,

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Speaker 2: that none of them have been found guilty yet, and

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Speaker 2: fifteen of them have either the charges have been dropped

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Speaker 2: or they've been found not guilty. And we've seen a

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Speaker 2: bunch of instances where juries are grand juries are not indicting,

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Speaker 2: where juries are finding, you know, are finding people not guilty.

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Speaker 2: This was another example of that. So how much does

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Speaker 2: that also play into the possibility of how they'll view

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Speaker 2: the actions of these protesters.

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Speaker 13: You really have to at times doubt the seriousness of

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Speaker 13: this Department of Justice, not just on some of these

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Speaker 13: cases like the sandwich thrower case.

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Speaker 2: Really the binders, yes, devastating.

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Speaker 13: Recently, for example, Lindsay Halligan. Did you see the news

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Speaker 13: where she's like, she's not actually appointed lawfully under the

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Speaker 13: acts providing for interim officers for the Eastern Distry or

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Speaker 13: for the Virginia District Court or this's our district. Yes,

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Speaker 13: his office, and go for it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, go ahead. I was just saying that Eastern District, Virginia.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: And the officers in the Department of Justice when they

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Speaker 13: were when they're trying to like justify her using the

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Speaker 13: title the title of US attorney, they're basically using the

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Speaker 13: court filings as another forum to air their grievances as

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Speaker 13: though they were on a news media The judge specifically

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Speaker 13: called them out for being too like polemical and being

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Speaker 13: too weird, and the Court's like, we're not going to

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Speaker 13: stoop to your level.

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Speaker 11: Weird.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's weird.

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Speaker 13: It's honestly boggling sometimes, like and the say nothing of

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Speaker 13: the James Comy indictments, so they their failure rate is

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Speaker 13: not usual given the track record of the Department of Justice.

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Speaker 13: Department Truchic Justice is known for having like very good

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Speaker 13: case rates and usually being able to convict on all

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Speaker 13: their stuff.

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Speaker 6: So this is abnormal in the department.

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Speaker 13: Is is going through some things.

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Speaker 4: Well said, well said, well, peace go thing. Thank you

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Speaker 4: so much for teaching us about the law today. Where

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Speaker 4: can people find you? And you know, guys, I love Piasco.

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Speaker 4: He's a debate gladiator. Okay, I've seen him in the ring,

804
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Speaker 4: he said. I saw him on a Tim Pool cast.

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Speaker 4: He debated five people on stage and the crowd. So

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Speaker 4: got any big debates or any big streams coming up soon?

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Speaker 13: In Piece Goo, we have some people that are that

808
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Speaker 13: are lined up, some people from the right and some

809
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Speaker 13: people from the farther left. But yeah, we're trying to

810
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Speaker 13: work something out. I just had a conversation with Drew Pavlou.

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Speaker 13: Do you guys know who this person is. He's like

812
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Speaker 13: an online Australian Yeah, yeah, And so he actually came

813
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Speaker 13: to New York City and he's like, hey, do you

814
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Speaker 13: want to put on like a show or something.

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Speaker 6: Like a week before he's supposed to arrive.

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Speaker 13: He wanted me to do a ticketed event so they

817
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Speaker 13: could come to the Piasco Drew Hour or something totally

818
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Speaker 13: wasn't gonna happen, but he at least came in and

819
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Speaker 13: we filmed the thing together. And know it was a

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Speaker 13: fun debate about the Venezuelas strikes and about whether or

821
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Speaker 13: not Trump is doing a good job. But you can

822
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Speaker 13: find me at Piasco Liddy on all the platforms, YouTube

823
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Speaker 13: or whatever. We're always doing debates, and thank you again, guys,

824
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Speaker 13: appreciate your coverage. It's it's always really excellent and yeah,

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Speaker 13: looking forward to seeing what you guy.

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Speaker 2: Of course, Peace Go also did one of the.

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Speaker 4: World War word Word Debate, which also Peasco had a

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Speaker 4: very interesting logo, very similar to the logo of our

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Speaker 4: old Breaking Points logo.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, some interesting ai happening at that event. Yeah, you guys.

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Speaker 13: Tell me if you want to file like a trademark

832
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Speaker 13: thing or something, maybe we can work for it now.

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Speaker 4: But no, we we don't do lawsuits.

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Speaker 6: Okay, we just talked, that's right.

835
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Speaker 13: But yeah, the Word War debate that was the one

836
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Speaker 13: where Annah and Hannah Pearl Davis had this discussion about

837
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Speaker 13: feminism was a total blowout. But I was actually like

838
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Speaker 13: the undercard they're trying to do it like UFC, and

839
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Speaker 13: so if you want to learn about birthright citizenship, we

840
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 13: had a very interesting debate between me and another lawyer

841
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Speaker 13: regarding Trump's executive action on birthright citizenship.

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Speaker 4: Awesome, we'll check all that out. Peasco Lady will be

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Speaker 4: in the description of this video and we'll see you later.

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Speaker 6: Piece go, Thank you so much. Have it going, guys.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Ryan, we've got another guest in the mix here

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Speaker 4: that we're going to bring in right now.

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Speaker 6: Why don't you introduce him for us?

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Speaker 4: Ryan?

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Speaker 9: Oh, yeah, it's Gonay. So sometimes on the Friday Show

850
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Speaker 9: we invite candidates. On other times we speak with Anthony Aguilar.

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Speaker 9: Today we're doing both in the same segment. Turns out

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Speaker 9: you are crazy enough not just to blow the whistle

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Speaker 9: on the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, but also to now run

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Speaker 9: for Congress in the thirteenth District of North Carolina, which

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Speaker 9: covers what Raleigh and some of Fort bragg Anthy, what

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Speaker 9: are you thinking?

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Speaker 8: Well, great question, fair question. And you know this district

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Speaker 8: covers all the way up to the North Carolina Virginia border.

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Speaker 8: Because the gerrymandering last year to separate District two. It

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Speaker 8: wraps around Raleigh and down south to where I live,

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Speaker 8: where I have lived for the last thirteen years, where

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Speaker 8: my children are raised, where they go to school, where

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Speaker 8: we live, and where I retired. So why, right, like,

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Speaker 8: why would I do this to myself? You know, after

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Speaker 8: twenty five years of serving in the United States Army

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Speaker 8: and retiring, I was looking very much forward to a

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Speaker 8: retired life, a quiet life. And then I went to Gaza,

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Speaker 8: and the things that I saw and the things that

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Speaker 8: I witnessed, and what our government was complicit in forced

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Speaker 8: me to take a hard look at what our government

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Speaker 8: is doing, what our government is doing abroad and domestically,

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Speaker 8: and as we've seen the course that we're on, tough

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Speaker 8: questions need to be asked that aren't being answered. So

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Speaker 8: since I returned from Gaza from July until now, I

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Speaker 8: was just in DC last week talking to members of Congress,

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Speaker 8: and last week, by coincidence with Doctors Against Genocide, we

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Speaker 8: talk to Brad Nott, who is the incumbent and the

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Speaker 8: current holder of this district, and in speaking to his staff,

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Speaker 8: his staff was not aware of any of the House

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Speaker 8: resolution legislation for block the bombs allowing aid in to Gaza.

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Speaker 8: The reference to what's happening in Gaza as a genocide,

882
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Speaker 8: any of the War Powers Acts votes which we've seen

883
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 8: go twice now in a dead tie broken by the

884
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 8: Vice President. If his staff isn't aware of those things,

885
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 8: it's because he doesn't care about those things. But of

886
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 8: all the members that we talk to, senators and representatives

887
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 8: both sides of the House, bipartisan, they they have excuses

888
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 8: for hard questions, and it's led me to believe that

889
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 8: our traditional party system and those in power right now

890
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 8: are compromised and they do not have American interests in mind.

891
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 8: So once again I feel that I need to step

892
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 8: up and answer the call, and you know, dust off

893
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 8: my boots, so to speak, and go back into serving

894
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 8: the nation. And I find it as a calling. I

895
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 8: don't see it as a as necessarily any type of

896
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 8: political move in terms of me wanting to be a

897
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 8: lifelong politician. This is not what I had on my

898
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 8: bingo card going into the new year. But I'm doing

899
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 8: it because I care about our country. I care about

900
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 8: the trajectory that our country is on, and I care

901
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 8: about all of you. I care about our fellow citizens.

902
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 8: I care about my children and how they're going to

903
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 8: grow up.

904
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 2: In this world, Anthony, I was going to ask you

905
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 2: referenced it there that you know you feel frustrated with

906
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 2: the two party system, you feel let down by both parties,

907
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 2: and you've decided to run as an independent. I love

908
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 2: for you to just speak more about what led you

909
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: to make that choice.

910
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 8: So a couple things in reflecting on my own political

911
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 8: views and where I fell and kind of how I

912
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 8: felt coming out of the military seemingly in a very

913
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 8: a political type of mindset, and then becoming very political,

914
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 8: I would say, in my viewpoints and where I stood

915
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 8: on certain issues. But if you look at the landscape

916
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 8: of America right now, most millennials and gen z are

917
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 8: identifying as independent. Forty to fifty percent of adults are

918
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 8: identifying as independent. I'm a millennial, and I understand why

919
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 8: we're identifying as independent. The problem is is that there

920
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 8: isn't really a good choice. This menu of two options

921
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 8: between Republican or Democrat is anemic menu with no fortitude

922
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 8: and no character and no sustainment in nourishment to the

923
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 8: American people, It's not a choice, It's a dilemma, the

924
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 8: least bad of two bads. So looking into the parties

925
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 8: to run with. I felt I cannot, under good conscience,

926
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 8: morally and ethically run with Democrats or Republicans. I cannot

927
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 8: align myself to not only what they what they have

928
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 8: been doing in action, but what their actions over the

929
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 8: last frankly, the last decade have been same for the

930
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 8: Republican Party, I mean even worse. So I looked at

931
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 8: this and I'm like, what is the history of American politics?

932
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 8: And why do we just hold so tightly onto this

933
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 8: two party system? And you know, it wasn't until our

934
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 8: eighteenth President Grant before we broke into this two party system.

935
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 8: And since then we've had nineteen Republicans and eleven Democrats.

936
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 8: And where has it gotten us. We're at war with

937
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 8: the world, We're in debt through our eyeballs, We're selling

938
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 8: off our children's future, We're destroying the planet. We have

939
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 8: people in America that can't afford health care, put food

940
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 8: on the table. Before we had this two party option,

941
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 8: whether you could choose a Democrat or Republican. You know,

942
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 8: George Washington himself ran unaffiliated. Then we had the Federalist Party,

943
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 8: Then we had the Democratic Republican Party, then we had

944
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 8: the National Republican Party, and then we had the Whig Party,

945
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 8: and it wasn't until Andrew Jackson came along, the first

946
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 8: Democratic runner, and when he ran against John Quincy Adams,

947
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 8: they called him the same thing, Oh you're going to ruin,

948
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 8: You're gonna spoil the race, and he won. He won

949
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 8: because of the principles. He stood out as a candidate,

950
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 8: not the party. And then the Republican Party didn't come

951
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 8: around until Abraham Lincoln. And then in Abraham Lincoln's second term,

952
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 8: he didn't run as a Republican, he ran as a

953
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 8: National Union Party. So this idea of this two party

954
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 8: system is a lie. It's a lie to keep America

955
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 8: entrenched in corporatization and make Americans feel that your vote

956
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 8: has to go one way or another, and if you don't,

957
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 8: you're wasting your vote. I believe that's why we have

958
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 8: seen a greater number of voters not turning out to vote,

959
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 8: of voters feeling like they don't have an option, and

960
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 8: voters feeling more and more that they identify as independent

961
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 8: or a third party, but still voting for a Democratic

962
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 8: Republican because they feel they don't have a choice. I

963
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 8: don't feel that in this race, I'm a spoiler I

964
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,439
Speaker 8: feel that I'm enriching it. Who in this race, who

965
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 8: in the district, and many in Congress have the experience

966
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 8: I have in foreign policy at the tip of the

967
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 8: spear for the last quarter century, or have felt the

968
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 8: repercussions of domestic policy back home after returning from combat.

969
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 3: I have well talk to us.

970
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 5: About your domestic policy, Tony, because we've talked to you

971
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 5: in the context of foreign policy. But what does your

972
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 5: domestic policy agenda look like?

973
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 4: Do you?

974
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 3: How would you describe it?

975
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 11: Well?

976
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 8: So, first of all, right now, and I just as

977
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 8: an anecdote to my overall view, if you look at

978
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 8: the Department of Homeland Securities strategy for the next five

979
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 8: years twenty twenty three to twenty twenty seven, so we're

980
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 8: about halfway through that strategy, one hundred and sixty nine

981
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 8: billion dollars to continue to fund specifically ICE within the

982
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 8: program of DHS to increase ICE agents from four hundred

983
00:49:55,239 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 8: field agents to ten thousand. Why we can be putting

984
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 8: money into healthcare, into education, into better jobs and a

985
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 8: living wage where Americans don't have to spend and live

986
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 8: off a credit card. Where here in my own district,

987
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 8: where we have fracking and we have AI installations or

988
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 8: AI sites going up, sucking our water and our power.

989
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 8: So when I look at these policies and how they're

990
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 8: being employed and why, I'm not someone that thinks in

991
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 8: this hyperbole of abolish ice or you know, or in

992
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 8: this bombastic sense, we need reform. We absolutely do need reform.

993
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 8: I don't believe that our system is broken. I believe

994
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 8: that the people running the system and the people that

995
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 8: have set the rules that we all have to abide

996
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,240
Speaker 8: by over the last decade plus don't have our interests

997
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 8: in mind. So I would look at domestic policy from

998
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 8: a standpoint of the programs that we fund, looking at

999
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 8: the National Defense Authoration Act, looking at the National Defense Strategy.

1000
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 8: Why are we funding the National Defense Strategy to the

1001
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 8: Department of Defense with a one point seven trillion dollar

1002
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 8: budget next year after this year we just gave them

1003
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 8: nine hundred and eighty one billion. That's not what the

1004
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 8: American people signed up for. That's not what the American

1005
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 8: people want. We do not want to be entrenched in

1006
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 8: endless war or war in our own hemisphere, or making

1007
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 8: enemies of our closest partners, you know, between Canada and Mexico,

1008
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 8: where we can take advantage of the prosperity of what

1009
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 8: we have in this nation and not selling it to

1010
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 8: foreign lobbyists. I think that our domestic policy has been

1011
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 8: sold to foreign interest I want to sever that as

1012
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,879
Speaker 8: a candidate, I will take no money from political action

1013
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,760
Speaker 8: committees to include Yes APAC. I will take no money

1014
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 8: from large lobbyist groups or special interests, nor the military

1015
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 8: ustrial complex. I have seen firsthand how the military industrial

1016
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 8: complex stretches its tentacles deep into our domestic policy. Where

1017
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 8: we move weapons facilities, where we move space command headquarters,

1018
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 8: whether it should be in Alabama or Colorado, Colorado back

1019
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 8: to Alabama, simply because the president has a friend in Alabama,

1020
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 8: wasting American dollars. I know that I could look through

1021
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 8: the NDAA just in that one piece of legislation document

1022
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 8: earmarks and save the American taxpayer billions, but also put

1023
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 8: that money back into things that Americans want in our country.

1024
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 4: Anthony on the reforming ICE position, now, abolish ICE has

1025
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 4: become a very popular position within the Democratic side of

1026
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 4: the party. You know, ICE has the incredibly large funding,

1027
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 4: larger than the GDPs of many countries. A lot of

1028
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 4: people are fixated on this killing of Renee Good. Yes,

1029
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 4: So what does reforming ICE look like, especially because ICE

1030
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 4: has only been around for about two decades. We didn't

1031
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 4: have ice before, Why do we need ICE now?

1032
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 6: And what like? What are the specific reforms you're suggesting?

1033
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 8: First of all, as a as a you know, as

1034
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 8: a candidate in Congress that one of the first things

1035
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 8: I would get to work on is drafting a resolution

1036
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 8: to bring to my constituents and caucus on on disbanding

1037
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 8: the BIRD program under the Department of Homeland Security. And

1038
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 8: that's the the bi National Industrial Research and Development Program.

1039
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,479
Speaker 8: That is the program that attaches ICE to training with

1040
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 8: foreign entities such as the Israeli National or Ministry of

1041
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 8: National Security. I would sever that program. That program is

1042
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 8: nothing more than a program to put Israel in the

1043
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 8: forefront of our of our domestic agencies. It serves no purpose.

1044
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 8: They are not trained. Well, we've seen the result of

1045
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 8: the training. Now, when someone says abolish ICE, or abolish

1046
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,959
Speaker 8: the border patrol, or abolish the police under the current

1047
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 8: leadership and the current personalities that run the organizations, Christinome

1048
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 8: Greg Bovino, Yeah, it's pretty easy to want to say that.

1049
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 8: But in this country, do we want a border patrol, Yes,

1050
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 8: we do. We share a large border with Canada and Mexico.

1051
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 8: Do we want an immigration control element for illegal immigrants

1052
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 8: and so that we have a responsible immigration policy? We

1053
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 8: do not under the way that under the current way

1054
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 8: that it's funded. We have turned the border patrol, and

1055
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 8: we have turned ICE, and we have turned the TSA,

1056
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 8: and we have heard other components of the DHS into

1057
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 8: an internal policing security mechanism against American people, funded, as

1058
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 8: you said, more than the GDP of some nations, and

1059
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:48,879
Speaker 8: we're turning them into an army four hundred right now.

1060
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 8: What we're seeing on the streets of our country, Minneapolis, Washington,

1061
00:54:53,480 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 8: all around the country, that's only four hundred ICE agents

1062
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,720
Speaker 8: engine ten thousand. That's what the current budget, this budget

1063
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 8: that was just passed, that was pushed through to get

1064
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 8: us to this one point seven trillion you know, where

1065
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 8: we were supposed to thank Congress for doing their job

1066
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 8: approved DHS Security Strategy f y twenty six, which we've

1067
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 8: now started in October into twenty seven. For that funding

1068
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 8: that I just described to you, for one hundred and

1069
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 8: sixty nine billion dollars to field ten thousand ICE agents.

1070
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 8: We don't need that. We should abolish that, abolish the

1071
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 8: entire agency. No. I have been in the military long enough,

1072
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 8: and I have lived through budget cuts and military expenditures

1073
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,879
Speaker 8: and spending and cuts that when you take a cut

1074
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 8: to the bone through programs, you make things worse. We

1075
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 8: should be surgical in our approach to what we cut.

1076
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 8: We should be surgical in our approach to what we fund,

1077
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 8: because that's what the American people deserve. Every single penny

1078
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 8: that goes into these programs comes out of our pocket,

1079
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 8: comes out of the food on our table, the college

1080
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 8: fund for our children, and that penny should be spent responsibly.

1081
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 8: And it's not so. I am not an advocate of

1082
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 8: saying abolish this or abolish that, but I think that

1083
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 8: we need some serious deep reform in those agencies, from

1084
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 8: the top down, all the way down to the field agent.

1085
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 8: The behavior and the tactics that we saw on the

1086
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 8: streets of Minneapolis, that's not a coincidence. We the American taxpayer,

1087
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 8: paid for that training through the funding of the Binational

1088
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 8: Industrial Research and Development Program outlined in the DHS, funded

1089
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 8: under the NDAA and written off by this Congress to

1090
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 8: continue to pay for into twenty twenty seven, and what

1091
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 8: comes in twenty twenty six midterm elections, next election coming up,

1092
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 8: presidential election, We're going to have ten thousand ICE agents

1093
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 8: on the streets of America. That's scary.

1094
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 2: So, Anthony, the reason why myself and others who support

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Speaker 2: abolish ICE do so is not because I mean, I'll

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Speaker 2: speak for myself, not for everybody, but not because I

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00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 2: want to completely end immigration enforcement, but because I believe

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00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 2: this particular agency is a rogue agency. And I'll tell

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Speaker 2: you what I mean by that. So you're obviously retired military,

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Speaker 2: highly decorated, and even though I think the Trump administration

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00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 2: is doing things to try to turn the military into

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Speaker 2: just their personal foot soldiers, I have confidence that if

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Speaker 2: you elected a Democratic president, that the military command would

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Speaker 2: follow the leaders the leadership of the commander in chief,

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00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 2: that they would obey the orders, the lawful orders of

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00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 2: whoever the commander in chief was, whether they be Democrat

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00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 2: or Republican. I believe ICE is different in that they are,

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00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 2: especially this surge of recruits are being brought in specifically

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Speaker 2: to be the foot soldiers of this administration and to

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Speaker 2: pursue this particular policy, not to be loyal to the country,

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Speaker 2: regardless of who is in charge. That's the reason why

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Speaker 2: while I support, you know, having some immigration enforcement, why

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00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 2: I think this particular agency is so rotten and so

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Speaker 2: rogue it needs to be eliminated entirely, and that we

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Speaker 2: could go back to the system that we had prior

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00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 2: to the War on Terror, where immigration enforcement was housed

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Speaker 2: in a different agency.

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Speaker 13: I s.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, being from South Texas and living in a border city,

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Speaker 8: I'm very familiar with the previous policies that I in

1122
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 8: s and why ICE was created very much a product

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00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 8: of the global War on Terror and the Patriot Act

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Speaker 8: and looking at Americans as the enemy. So in the

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Speaker 8: sense of abolishing the agency, So what I would say

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Speaker 8: to clarify my position is we should not abolish the function.

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00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 8: Abolish the agency and its current operations and its current

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Speaker 8: agency and the people that are in it. Yes, I

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00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 8: do not want to abolish the function. If you look

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Speaker 8: at the function prior under Immigration and Naturalization and Services

1131
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 8: or i INS and that function, we didn't have militarized

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00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,919
Speaker 8: federal agents storming the streets of America, kicking indoors without

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00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 8: warrants and arresting five year olds. We have that now

1134
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Speaker 8: because of the agency and what it has become. So

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Speaker 8: to that point, I agree with you wholeheartedly. And to

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00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 8: the point of who they're recruiting, true story, many of

1137
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 8: those Infidel's motorcycle Club bikers that served in the GHF

1138
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Speaker 8: because there was the hottest thing going. Guess where they're

1139
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Speaker 8: working now, Ie.

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Speaker 2: You know that for a fact.

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Speaker 8: I know that for a fact. Not only have I

1142
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 8: seen them on videos, I have identified them and I

1143
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 8: have seen some of them that have celebrated it. Some

1144
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 8: of the same individuals that were in Gossa shooting people

1145
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 8: in the face, would would tear gas, shooting at people

1146
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 8: with machine guns, billy clubbing people and spraying them with

1147
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 8: the entire can of mace in the face. Palestinians, unarmed

1148
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 8: Palestinians are now working in the field as ICE agents.

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Speaker 6: That's a fact.

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Speaker 4: We should also know that we spoke with the Chapin Fay,

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Speaker 4: spokesperson for the GHF, and refer people to that interview

1152
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 4: to hear their perspective.

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01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 9: One we can link. We can link to it in

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Speaker 9: the bottom here.

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Speaker 11: Sure.

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Speaker 8: Yeah. When I look at things like that, that's demographic

1157
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 8: is what ICE is recruiting individuals that are already prone

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Speaker 8: to an extremist viewpoint against immigrants or Arabs or any

1159
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 8: type of minority or quote unquote foreigner who already have

1160
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Speaker 8: a propensity for violence. Those are the people that they're hiring.

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Speaker 8: And how much are they paying ICE agents now? Around

1162
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 8: two hundred grand? How much were they paying us while

1163
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 8: we were in Gaza in Gaza about two grand a day.

1164
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 8: It's about the same. That's the price of freedom, that's

1165
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,959
Speaker 8: the price of truth, that's the price of integrity. Gives

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01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 8: them one two grand a day, and they will turn

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01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 8: their back on all American values and they will be

1168
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 8: the extremist gestapo that you want them to be. And

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01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 8: that is what ICE has become. So to the notion

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01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 8: of abolishing the agency as it is, yes, yes, I

1171
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 8: do not want to abolish the function. So therefore, when

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Speaker 8: you talk about abolishing the agency, you have to be

1173
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 8: very careful when it comes to fiscal year, in calendar years,

1174
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 8: spending in earmarks in the Congress, you have to plan

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01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 8: ahead for that. So if you abolish the agency, you

1176
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 8: then do not have an agency to build within that

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01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 8: for the function. So abolish it, yes, but do not

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01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 8: abolish the function. The function should be reinforced in a

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01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:32,439
Speaker 8: way that promotes immigration in our country, because after all,

1180
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 8: we are a nation of immigrants.

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Speaker 9: You could send them all a fork in the Road

1182
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 9: email too.

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01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 2: There you go.

1184
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 9: We're going to actually follow the Constitution now, fork in

1185
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 9: the road like, if you want to know that.

1186
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 8: I find it to be very a very simple notion,

1187
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 8: very clear set of guidelines that if we follow the

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01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 8: Constitution and what it was designed to be as a

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01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 8: document for our nation. Right now, if you know, the

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01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 8: Constitution is in left field of Wrigley Stadium, we're somewhere

1191
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 8: in Barcelona. We're nowhere near it. We're not even in

1192
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 8: the same sport.

1193
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 9: So on the horse race, what's the what's this newly

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01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 9: drawn district? Like when it comes to the composition of

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01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 9: registered Republicans, Democrats and independents and third party and who

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01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 9: was running for reelection, I haven't even know.

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Speaker 8: So here in this district the incumbent Brad not this

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01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 8: is his first office holding right now, he will run

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Speaker 8: as an incumbent. The incumbent Republican typically sweeps in the primary,

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01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 8: which will be in March, and then when he goes

1201
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 8: into the general he'll have to face me. He is

1202
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 8: an a pack recipient, big time APAC recipient, and he'll

1203
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 8: have to answer for that. I think Americans are tired

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01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 8: of that. The other piece with District thirteen. District thirteen

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01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 8: encompasses eight counties, Wake County being one of them, where

1206
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 8: Raleigh is, which is the capital of North Carolina, and

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01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 8: now District two Deborah Ross, a Democrat who also takes

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01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 8: a PAC money. It cuts Wake County in half. As

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01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 8: I was looking at where to run in North Carolina thirteen,

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01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 8: I didn't want to be a carpetbagger and run out

1211
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 8: of district, or run just to run like a Randy

1212
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 8: Fine or someone to that nature. I want to run

1213
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 8: where I live, where my children go to school, where

1214
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 8: I pay my trash bill, where I pay my electric bill,

1215
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 8: where the school bus picks up my kid and drives

1216
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 8: them to school on public roads, where I live, where

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01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 8: my wife lives, where we live and work and raise

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01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 8: our family. That's where I want to represent because I

1219
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 8: live here. It's a self interest in a way, but

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Speaker 8: I also I deeply care about the people in this

1221
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 8: district because a lot of them in the four district,

1222
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 8: or at the four counties that surround Fort Bragg are

1223
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 8: veterans in military and they're getting screwed over. And part

1224
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 8: of my platform is advocating for veterans for veterans benefits

1225
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 8: for mental health. As an example to yesterday, I had

1226
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 8: a VA appointment and because funding was cut to build

1227
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 8: the VA hospital in Sandford where I live, which cuts

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01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 8: the distance and half for people that live between the two,

1229
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 8: wasn't funded. It wasn't funded because we're spending money on ICE.

1230
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 8: So whenever I have to go for a VA appointment,

1231
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 8: free healthcare offered by the government, I have to drive

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01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 8: an hour and fifteen minutes away. That's not putting veterans first.

1233
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 8: That's not putting Americans first. And it was in the

1234
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 8: funding and it was cut. Where did that money go.

1235
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 8: That money went to a ballroom, That money went to ice,

1236
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 8: That money went to war in Venezuela and secret sonic weapons.

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Speaker 4: Apparently Trump is paying for the ballroom himself, but I

1238
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 4: think the other one.

1239
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, he took donors to pay for the first one

1240
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 8: hundred and thirty million. The price tag is now three

1241
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 8: hundred and nineteen million, and that is coming out of

1242
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 8: our pockets because it's going to fund the National Registry

1243
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 8: of Historic Sites through the National Parks. That money is

1244
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 8: going there. What I always say, follow the money.

1245
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 4: So you're with Saga on demolishing the ballroom. What's that

1246
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 4: Sager wants to demolish the ballroom once Trump is out?

1247
01:04:59,280 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 4: Would you support?

1248
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 5: You know?

1249
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 8: I was in the Army when we went through this

1250
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 8: kerfuffle of naming all the bases, and I thought, Okay, well,

1251
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 8: if we're gonna name all the bases, we're never gonna

1252
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 8: make everybody happy. So let's just name the base for

1253
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 8: the city it's in. Let's just do like the Navy does,

1254
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 8: or what the Air Force does, like Mountain Home, or

1255
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 8: let's just name it for the city it's in. But

1256
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 8: we went to this whole kerfuffle of changing the name,

1257
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 8: which cost the American taxpayer for military bases that were

1258
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,479
Speaker 8: named after Confederate generals, which I agree with the notion

1259
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 8: of that cost over thirty million dollars. Signage funding ridiculous,

1260
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 8: and within the first week of Donald Trump coming back

1261
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 8: into office, one of his first executive decisions was to

1262
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 8: change it back. So now I watched it. I literally

1263
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 8: watched at Fort Bragg on the road that I drive

1264
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 8: on every day coming home from my son's school, where

1265
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 8: that sign went from Fort Bragg to Fort Liberty to

1266
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 8: Fort Bragg, and the same dude that worked for the

1267
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 8: Department of Public Works was the one out there changing

1268
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 8: the sign. Because I took a picture with him, I'm like,

1269
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 8: don't you think this is ridiculous? And he was like

1270
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 8: he was like yeah, man, He's like I I I

1271
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 8: just took this sign down last week. I was going

1272
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 8: to take it home and put it in my garage.

1273
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 8: But before I could even leave work today they were

1274
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 8: tolding us to put this new one back on. So

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01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 8: sixty down the drain because of some tidantic Josh creation. Yeah,

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01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 8: you know, and it's just you had, you know when

1277
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 8: they when they're like, oh, it's going back to Fort

1278
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 8: Fort Bragg. You know, you had all the all the

1279
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 8: old timers that have been working on Fort Bragg since

1280
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 8: before I was born, like have to go race back

1281
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 8: to their garage to get stuff at it. Like you know,

1282
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 8: they were they were airlooms, they were they were historic items.

1283
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 8: So yeah, it's it's a waste. So when you look

1284
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:47,959
Speaker 8: at this ballroom piece, it's it's disgraceful. It's absolutely disgraceful

1285
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 8: that when you look throughout our country you have hard

1286
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 8: working Americans hard working Americans, not Americans taking handouts, and

1287
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 8: in most cases will refuse even a hand up because

1288
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 8: they want to work hard and they want to provide

1289
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 8: for their family, and they make ends meet by working

1290
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 8: two sometimes three jobs, both in the household work. I

1291
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 8: know that because where I go to school, in the

1292
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 8: neighborhood that I live in, we're very close and we

1293
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 8: sometimes have the neighborhood kids over when their parents are

1294
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 8: at work, and we kind of help with that communal

1295
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 8: aspect of carrying for the neighborhood kids. And I see

1296
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 8: people having to work incredibly hard just to put food

1297
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 8: on the table and pay the bills. Well, our president

1298
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 8: is building a lavish ballroom in front of our eyes

1299
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 8: where the price tag was lied to us and is tripled.

1300
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Speaker 8: He's not a good builder, as he says he is,

1301
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 8: or a real estate magnate. He is not those. He's

1302
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 8: horrible at it. He just has endless money and he's entitled.

1303
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 8: And when I look at that, the scene that goes

1304
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 8: through my head is like if Great Gatsby was written

1305
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 8: in nineteen eighty four in a third world country.

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Speaker 2: Anthony, thank you so much for choosing us to break

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Speaker 2: the news of your candidates. We're very honored, we're grateful

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Speaker 2: for you, you know, stepping up to serve in a

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Speaker 2: new way once again. Tell people where they can find

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Speaker 2: more about your campaign and support you if they're inclined.

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Speaker 8: Aguilar for uscongress dot com. You can find all the

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Speaker 8: information and links to the social media associated to the platform.

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Speaker 8: And then also when I saw you last, I myself

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Speaker 8: was not on social media. I am now. I've become

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Speaker 8: part of the new generation. So look out, America. I'm

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Speaker 8: learning how to do tic TAC and Instagram. It's crazy.

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Speaker 8: But the reason I specifically wanted to ask Emily Ryan

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Speaker 8: Crystal is because you've always been a strong voice. You've

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Speaker 8: always stood on the principles of truth regardless of the consequence,

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Speaker 8: and you're strong and you're courageous. I follow everything that

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Speaker 8: y'all do, and when I first came back from GASA,

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Speaker 8: you were one of the first that wanted to hear

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Speaker 8: the story and that amidst the lies and the slander

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Speaker 8: that were just incredulous, stood strong against that with truth

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Speaker 8: and integrity. And whether or not we agree on everything,

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Speaker 8: I know that I can trust you because you're a

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Speaker 8: platform of integrity, and that's what's important to me integrity,

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Speaker 8: and you represent that and you are warriors that you

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Speaker 8: are warriors out there asking hard questions, asking hard, kidding questions.

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Speaker 8: I've watched your platform, and when someone's in the hot

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Speaker 8: seat and you ask them a hard question and they're

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Speaker 8: bsing you, you do not let them off the hook.

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Speaker 8: I love that.

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Speaker 2: Well, that means a lot coming from you, Anthony, So

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for all of those kind words.

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Speaker 2: And also, like I said, for I ran for Congress

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Speaker 2: once I know it is a major sacrifice. The level

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Speaker 2: of scrutiny you're gonna get, it's not always a fun thing.

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Speaker 2: So thank you so much for putting yourself in the

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Speaker 2: hot seat once again.

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Speaker 8: I think the mud slinging with the GHF prepped me. Well,

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Speaker 8: I'm ready.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, you are ready.

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Speaker 8: Well, thank you very much, and have a great day

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Speaker 8: and have a safe weekend. I know we're going to

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Speaker 8: get some winter weather, so.

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Speaker 9: Be saying indeed, yeah saying Fanthony, thank you, good luck,

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Speaker 9: Anthony Aguila Independent for Congress. Thank you, Carlina's thirteenth district.

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Speaker 4: All right, perfect, perfect, That was Anthony, And that's gonna

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Speaker 4: be the end of the first half of the show, folks,

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Speaker 4: We're gonna be talking about a lot of stuff here

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Speaker 4: in the second half. We're gonna be looking at Jared

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Speaker 4: Kushner's plan for New Gaza. We might be looking at

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Speaker 4: Elon's promise that we're all going to have a personal robot.

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Speaker 6: In the next two to four years. Look excited that.

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Speaker 4: And maybe we will take some intensive looks at Trump's

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Speaker 4: hand that has not been looking late.

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Speaker 2: Definitely got to do that.

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Speaker 3: He clipped it on a table.

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Speaker 4: He clipped it, clipped many such cases, Crystal, it has

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Speaker 4: to go to a gymnastics meet.

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Speaker 6: Is that what's going on?

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Speaker 2: So yeah, we had some she was supposed to be

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Speaker 2: this weekend because of the snow, they moved it up,

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Speaker 2: so now it's today. So yeah, but you guys better

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Speaker 2: do excellent medical analysis on a hand situation. Okay, I'll

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Speaker 2: be checking in.

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Speaker 4: If you want to see the rest of the show

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Speaker 4: at second half of the show, you can go to

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Speaker 4: breakingpoints dot com to sign up, become a member and

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Speaker 4: support Breaking Points and we'll see all there in just

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Speaker 4: a moment.

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Speaker 6: Bye bye,